What are some things which never made sense in some settings?

>>51874882
>Hack author doesn't think of the basic implications of his setting's core attribute
Hmm, really makes you think

>>51874882
Where is this mentioned ever?

the raiding in the river lands doesn't count

Why did Ned show mercy to sexual deviants who tried to murder his son and posed a very real threat to his family and country?
Why did Danny's brother have random bouts of severe autism?
Why is the overwhelming majority of the time spent watching characters you don't care about or can't possibly fucking like. Do people read this fucking series for anything but Tyrion and Snow?

>>51874882

Shit DnD settings where the devs simultaneously wanted a familiar medieval fantasy setting with all the usual cliches, but also wanted to really push the high end of magic for high level spellcaster PCs. The resulting combination makes no sense, the most obvious example being that somehow Clerics and Wizards aren't in charge of everything, despite being the most powerful members of society in multiple ways.

>b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-but muh "magic is hard to learn!" excuse

Engineering and medicine are hard to learn too, yet we see doctors and engineers everywhere IRL. If engineering and medicine gave you literal reality warping powers or absolute power over life and death, then you can be sure that doctors and engineers would hold a lot of power in our world.

>>51874882
no one acts like a real person

everything happens because plot

just as planned everywhere

grrm is an arrogant hack

>>51875087
Edmure allowed many of the smallfolk into Riverrun which had pretty much everyone else saying how stupid that was, and Meribald mentioned how poorly armed I think.

Also, how come when the King's Landing people were beginning to starve due to Renly cutting off the Tyrell shipments, why didn't they open up the winter food reserves? Yes you need the winter food reserves for winter, but you can't use the reserves if you're not alive at all.

>>51875223
>Why did Ned show mercy to sexual deviants who tried to murder his son and posed a very real threat to his family and country?
The Wildlings?

>Why did Danny's brother have random bouts of severe autism?
"Targaryen madness" even though inbreeding should cause a bunch of other fucked shit. Even if we handwaive it and say it's magic it doesn't make sense, at a certain point almost everyone should be stark raving mad because they're so inbred. That isn't the case, you get weird crap like 3 regular guys from 2 crazy people, a crazy person born from 2 regular people, all sorts of weird stuff.

>Why is the overwhelming majority of the time spent watching characters you don't care about or can't possibly fucking like. Do people read this fucking series for anything but Tyrion and Snow?
Honestly I didn't mind Ned, Sansa, even goddamn Jaime was kind of okay too, but so many are really hard to like. Like fuck, do we really need a POV of fucking Cersei screwing everything up from her eyes?

>>51875330
>Jaime was kind of okay too.
He pushed a fucking 12 year old out a window!

>>51875429
Well I mean later he wasn't so bad. Yeah he was a turd early on but he was kind of decent later on.

His hand chop was good though. Only problem was the first time I saw it on TV the song played too fucking early and broke the atmosphere.

>>51874882
Switching off from asoif to the Wheel of Time
>There's a very clear and present danger to the world
>Everyone, and I mean everyone, just wants to fuck around with petty bullshit
I'm okay when there's one or two chucklefucks who didn't get the memo re: end of the world, but when it's every single character, to the detriment of their own self preservation, it becomes a logical issue

>>51875537
It's like in Skyrim where gigantic immortal dragons are fapping about and people are still like, "We can deal with the dragons no problem when the Stormcloaks/Imperials are gone"

>>51875537
>>There's a very clear and present danger to the world
>>Everyone, and I mean everyone, just wants to fuck around with petty bullshit


Climate change will literally kill industrial civilization and reduce humanity to a feudal at best existence, and nobody does fuck all about it in favor of muh god muh politics shit

>>51876008
Yeah, but climate change is nebulous and hard to point to something and say "this, this right here is visible evidence that Joe schmoe can understand" trollocks and mydraal roaming the realms of men and battles with so much power that they light up the sky are a bit more tangible. I'm not saying that humanity won't inevitably kill itself, I guess I'm just hoping that are death will be subtle and creeping

>>51874882
There's only so many people you can put inside of a castle and food stocks are limited. There were many times in history when peasants were left to their own fate. Besides, to starve a castle you need to make a siege. If you just kill the peasants and leave, the people in the castle will simply trade for food, or ask for help to any friendly lord close by.

And inflating the army with peasants MAY have the advantage of intimidating the enemy, but it depends on the situation.

>>51876237
Not to mention most sieges were won by starvation, not battle. It only takes a few men (comparatively) to hold a castle against a much greater force, so you don't need freeloaders. Most of the time, a good number of actual armed soldiers were sent away in the face of a coming siege when they didn't need that many and didn't want extra mouths to feed, which in turn actually HURTS their chances of holding the castle.

Fuckin plebs

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>>51876008
>Climate change will literally kill industrial civilization
Nice

>>51876199
>Yeah, but climate change is nebulous and hard to point to something and say "this, this right here is visible evidence that Joe schmoe can understand"
I prefer this link
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/02/07/science/earth/antarctic-crack.html

>>51874882
You cant hide a entire country population inside castles.

>>51875330
>Honestly I didn't mind Ned, Sansa, even goddamn Jaime was kind of okay too, but so many are really hard to like. Like fuck, do we really need a POV of fucking Cersei screwing everything up from her eyes?

I enjoyed that.

Its like when you hate someone at start but suddenly you can see how dumb she is and starts paying attention to her just for fun.

>>51874882
Depending on the location, they do exactly that or have enormous walls surrounding cities. King's Landing both has food shortages & big walls on the outside of the town. They want less mouths to feed & anyone who can get pass the walls already has the city anyway. Winterfell actually has people flock to it & its nearby towns every winter.

>>51876489
>You cant hide a entire country population inside castles.
I mean of course not, but to let none of the peasants in is just retarded. Even if you can't take them all, it'd be better to have some in the city. There was a whole method of warfare revolving around dicking around with the peasants- chevauchee.

>>51875330
>why didn't they open up the winter food reserves? Yes you need the winter food reserves for winter, but you can't use the reserves if you're not alive at all.
Ask the drunken whore queen. She's too busy keeping herself & her top brass fed.

Within ASOIAF, seasons last long enough that people tend to fatten up in the summer & gather to store for winter during the autumn. Storing during the summer is more likely to cause rotten food due to length of the seasons & heat. They also used to have a fat fuck of a king feasting every milisecond.

>>51874882
>>51875056
GRRM actually is right here. Why would the Lord or a castle let useless mouths in during a siege?

>>51875330
>>51875429
>>51875523
Jamie chapters are the GOAT chapters you fucking plebs

>>51876631
>Why would the Lord or a castle let useless mouths in during a siege?
Because Westeros is a Agrarian economy, and this is the main income for most of the Lords of Westeros. So trying to keep as many peasants alive is crucial to your income.

>>51875330
Tywin did indeed attack the smallfolk during & after his attacks on Riverrun. It was after Robb assblasted him by capturing Jamie too & Tywin was pinned down. If anything, Robb captured significant amounts of Lannister resources like goldmines & it's explicitly mentioned that Tywin's actions practically gleaned the Riverlands clean, feeding his army what he doesn't burn. During those circumstances, Robb had Tywin on the ropes & Edmure needed better fed trained soldiers than he needed peasants who aren't farming.

>>51874882
on top of the peasant murder, it frequently seems like their battles swing far, far more than historical battles.

at least per the wiki, almost every battle has these giant swings of "near complete destruction of the army" for the losing side. And sometimes these armies are literally hundreds of thousands of people.

Let's compare this to, say, the battle of Crecy, which was a huge huge deal during the hundred years war, which had a total combatant count of about 45000 between both sides
But the side which got their shit WRECKED, where this was a humiliating defeat that rewrote history?
2000 casualties. Not even a tenth of their force.
war is simply not sustainable on the scales ASOIAF works on.

>>51876739
Of course it isn't, they made this abundantly clear in the books. King's Landing's internal strife came from somewhere. All their food was either feeding royalty or the army. Remember the riot & everyone shouting for Bread?

>>51876581
>Winterfell actually has people flock to it & its nearby towns every winter.
Meanwhile everyone was bitching at Edmure for letting the peasants into Riverrun when Gregor "Rape your Daughter" Clegane was running around. I think the Starks are an exception to the whole, "fuck the peasants" mentality.


>>51876628
>Storing during the summer is more likely to cause rotten food due to length of the seasons & heat.
Wasn't it autumn at that point in the books though?

>>51876724
Edmure allowed the peasants in not just during Robb's counterattacks, but when Jaime started moving in on Riverrun. Which was widely considered a bad move, when in reality the fact that Lannisters are very well known for murderfucking citizens (The Mountain, Sack of Kings Landing) means it's a better idea to keep them in than to leave them at their mercy.

I don't recall where I've read it, but I think it was about 9 peasants per 1 townsperson in medieval times, which is a pretty important fucking incentive to want to keep those peasants alive.

>>51876739
>battle of Crecy,
It was a Big deal because the french lost to a army half its size and so many knights were captured or killed. Such a Battle like that would be a big deal.

>>51874882
For me it's Valerian steel thats the real bullshit, It literally breaks physics since apparently it never goes dull. If its magic then that doesn't make much sense either since GOT magic seems to have sacrifice as a requirement and what are you sacrificing that gives you swords that stay sharp forever? Also fighting with Valerian steel would probably be a real pain since it probably doesn't absorb shock well due to it magically unbreakableness

>>51876878
>requirement and what are you sacrificing that gives you swords that stay sharp forever
Its Implied its human Sacrifice

>>51876784
>Meanwhile everyone was bitching at Edmure for letting the peasants into Riverrun when Gregor "Rape your Daughter" Clegane was running around.
This is a problem? The way both sides played wasn't the more long term, kill peasants so they sue for peace before they starve game. It's the siege their castles or capture political figures until you've got enough hostages game. They didn't want to starve their enemies to death because there's all sorts of other threats like Danny & Young Griff & others coming along & they wanted to pick them back up, abit on a tight leash, & deal with the threats ahead. Not only that but each side had multiple enemies, they couldn't play any long term games without fear.

>>51876900
Look all i want is for a offhanded comment saying "oh there is a tiny chip on this one" just too show that they dont stay sharp forever because if they do then how many people do you need to sacrifice to get permanent immunity too physics

>>51876929
>if they do then how many people do you need to sacrifice to get permanent immunity too physics
Dozen if the tyrion chapter is to be realible.

>>51876784
>autumn
It was summer when it started & the fatass Robert was too busy feasting. As many have mentioned, many sides were funneling food to their, remarkably large for medieval times, armies & all sides wanted to win as soon as possible without damaging their enemies too hard.

>>51874882
>What are some things which never made sense in some settings?
Most fantasy settings have fucking no sensible scale, due to the writers being brainless. ASOIAF being an excellent case in point, where his not!British Isles are the size of an entire continent yet still a single kingdom ruled by one king.

>>51876970
He should have just made targaryens Emperors with Autonomous Vassals once the Dragons were Killed off

>>51876970
It's more similar to an empire with many smaller kingdoms than a single large one in practice. They have common currency, langauge & more but each side is damn different culture wise. Just rename the King on the Iron Throne the Emperor & each Lord Paramount a King & it'd be enough.

>>51876950
How is a dozen people equal too eternal sharpness

>>51875330
>stark raving mad

>>51876784
Edmure nearly lost Riverrun anyway. Could he have predicted Robb coming to save the day? It's like a life or limb decision. He chose the option which risked everyone dying but had a chance of everyone living. The others thought it was a bad move & he should have ensured their survival before smallfolk.

>>51876707
but not during a siege, the peasants can run away, someone has to hold the castle.

>>51877168
And it was Robb that lost the war due to his naivety. Blaming Edmure for trying to do the right thing is rather moot

>>51876398
Even today we have lots of people who, despite modern scientific evidences, can't into understanding climate change. Wasn't there even a US-Senator who went to Washington with a snowball as "proof" that climate change doesn't exist?
What makes you think Joe Peasant from the not!middleages or kings that were batshit insane, lazy, fat whorefuckers or batshit insane again, would care about this? Especially if "the north" is about a month of travelling away?

>>51877223
Robb lost because he didn't strap Edmure to a chair & shut him up. Edmure attacking Tywin when Robb was away was a bad move. Robb told him to protect Riverrun & to await orders. He attacked & foiled Robb's plan. Not even Theon taking Winterfell was this bad.

>>51877209
>someone has to hold the castle.
Unless that someone is either Stannis or Ser Cortnay.

>>51877310
Cortnay was actually pretty damn smart. He knew that though Stannis would conquer Storm's End given time, Stannis had no time & disloyal men. It wasn't about who can outlast who, it's who actually has the option to outlast anyone.

>>51874882
Those things make sense, though. You're never going to get all of your population, or even a significant fraction of it, inside a castle.

No, the thing that doesn't make sense about ASoIaF is the ecology. The variable seasons, with each season usually lasting 1 to 4 years and a cycle therefore lasting anywhete from 4 to 16 years, would just make a lot of species no longer viable. Nothing that hibernates would be able to survive, and I don't think trees or perennial plants could either. I'm pretty sure there would be other horrific consequences as well, like massive desertification during long summers and civilization-ending storms between the hot and cold areas when the planet decides to be tidally locked for four years.

>>51874882

You are assuming that slaughtering the smallfolk is how war is normally done. It isn't.

You go and kick over the noble and declare yourself the new guy in charge and just sort of assume control of their peasants. What are they going to do about it? Serving one lord isn't that much different from serving another to them, and the lords are the ones with the armies.

The only reason the smallfolk get it so bad during the books is because the war gets so fucked. Too many sides fighting too many sides, tot he point that the normal rules of war have broken down and everyone is scrambling for any advantage they can get no matter how small. Even then, the only one who was really going out of his way to burn villages and kill fucking everyone was Gregor Clegane, who the Lannisters had to DENY was doing any such thing and certainly wasn't doing it under any orders, because the shit he was doing was extremely bad publicity.

In a 'normal' war, the peasants are under much less threat and bringing them all into your castle dramatically reduces the amount of time you can hold out during a siege, which sort of defeats the point of preparing fro siege in the first place.

Your problem is that you are thinking of these battles in wargame terms, where the goal is to kill 100% of your enemies dudes. In actuality, most medieval battles considering killing 1/5th of the enemy force to be a complete and total rout that would destroy their line and cost them the field. If you killed 1/3rd of their fighting force, there was no second battle. You had already captured or killed everyone who mattered and the war was over aside from cleaning up small and scattered bands of troublemakers.

>>51877302
Robb and Blackfish forget to communicate their plans to Edmure. Edmure saw what in his mind and anyone in his situation a good battle to be won for his factions.

Tywin gets the message of “Stannis at the gates PLS HELP” just in perfect time to not fall into Robb’s trap and arrive at the most dramatic moment to save KL is nothing more than Deus Ex machina.

>>51877446
Except Gregor WAS killing the small folk. You have to get them away from him. And the Lannister got a huge reputation for being civilian murderers- do you think sacking Kings Landing has been forgotten?

>>51877446
There are other castles and keeps. They don't have to all go to Riverrun.

>>51877446
good point but I'd like to add that besides Clegane, there were a few roving bands of Sellswords, deserters and straight up bandits causing most of the mayham, the Lannister army was not doing a genocidal operation in the Riverlands.

You have to consider that everyone in westeros is quite close culturally, they have their differences, but they all speak the same language.

>>51875254
Read Codex Alera. A magocracy done well.

>>51877483
>is nothing more than Deus Ex machina.

To be fair, the biggest contributing factor in any war has always been luck. There is no strategic advantage, no matter how great, that cannot be utterly wasted because of a bad luck of the draw.

>>51874882
In a siege, the defenders want as few people in the castle as possible. Castles were known to throw out all non-essential staff if they were expecting a siege. They certainly weren't letting in more mouths to feed.

>>51877483
>>51877539
One thing GRRM realized was that Robb was winning. Losing Jamie? That was laughable compared to the amount of Lannister land he's taken. Had he had to do something so it won't end with Robb winning.

>>51877577
Stannis got the shortest end of the stick.

though that was also due to communication, if he had cooperated with Robb, if Stannis had moved north to face Tywin in straight up battle, who knows what would have happened.

Attaking a city while the enemies main force is not accounted for is inviting catastrophe.

>>51875254
Wizards and clerics don't rule Toril or Oerth for the exact same reasons our world leaders aren't all soldiers or engineers, and the reasons why your boss at work isn't the person who gets the most work done. Political power isn't about doing shit yourself; it's about getting others to do shit for you. Even the most effective person on the individual scale can't compete with someone who can motivate and organize people rather than just kill or threaten them. See Varys' speech about where power resides.

>>51875254

Oddly enough, a show airing now offers the perfect example of why the world isn't a mageocracy, and in fact the use of magic is in decline and actually seen as kind of useless.

In Little Witch Academia, magic can do all kinds of shit. It can create portals between distant places using dedicated archways, you can use it to fly or polymorph or do all sorts of other fantastical stuff.

But the simple fact of the matter is that most places don't HAVE any magic to use. The school has a giant fucking philosophers stone as a magical antenna, one that they can't replace, to suck up magic and store it as a massive battery, and its only as powerful as it is because its been storing up magic for literally hundreds of years. Get a few miles away from that and all of your spells have to make do with whatever charge your wand has stored up. Mages get one or two spells before they have to return to the stone to draw power again and recharge their wand. Even magic items like brooms are not infinite, you have an hour or two tops before you run out of juice.

And we don't know how many battery stones exist in the world, but its a pretty low number. The magic school didn't even make theirs, they had to convince a motherfucking dragon to make it for them.

So for all the shit magic can do, its limited to only be relevant in a very small area for lack of infrastructure. Its like if computers only worked in roughly three small towns in the whole world, and physically couldn't function anywhere else. No one would consider them all that great. You can't rule the world with that power, because you can't use it in any kind of large scale.

>>51877614
It was one of Stannis' men who said not to bring Melisandre because it'd be her win, not his army's win. Had she came along, who knows.

If Eddard saw into the future, he might as well continued declaring for Stannis if he knew he'd be executed anyway. In that circumstance Robb & Stannis would steamroll the Lannisters. The Lannisters couldn't handle Robb without help, they'd be fucked.

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"I killed [Ned] because everybody thinks he’s the hero ... sure, he’s going to get into trouble, but then he’ll somehow get out of it. The next predictable thing [someone] is going to rise up and avenge his [death] ... So immediately [killing [Robb]] became the next thing I had to do."
George R.R Martin

What did he mean by this?

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>>51876878
Because Valarian Steel is a remain of a age of Stronger Magic.
Which is why its so potent.
Just like Dragonglass, or any of the magic materials that is still around.

Its entirely reasonable, it just looks out of place, just like everything non grimderp do in Rapetown Rape.

>>51877666
Thats for Wizards.
Clerics is a entirely different breed.
Why isn't The Church of the Norse Pantheon completely ruling the continent?
Once the Pantheon goes DEUS VULT, its literally taken over society.

Thats even more true in Grimderp DND, because all it takes is for some faggot to reach level 12-16, and he can literally GATE in higher divinity to supplement the fact he has no second in command.

Why the fuck does anyone trust the Dornish after they kill Daron under a peace banner, amputated hundreds of men, and say they'll give Baelor his family member back only to dangle him in a cage over vipers?

>>51877937
The main gimmick of Martin is to invert the classical fairy tale trope.
> The prince is an asshole.
> The knights are assholes.
> the usurper is actually a nice guy.
> the princess escape (arya).
> the other princess is detained by the prince.
> the dragon is detained.
> After the (red) wedding, they didn't lived happy and did not have any child
> knight servant are traitors
> the only "true knight" played straight is a woman
> the warlord of the barbarian is actually pretty nice
>and so on

>>51878248
The funny thing is that he also inverts things again after.
>Backstabbers kill honorable people
>Backstabbers then fuck themselves with infighting
>Honorable people's followers loyally rebuild & fight in their name
>Backstabbers are still fucking each other dead as this happens

>>51878248
> the only "true knight" played straight is a woman

There's a lot of true knights around in the books. Ser Barristan, Beric Dondarrion, many of Stannis' bodyguards, Ser Brynden Tully, just to name a few.

>>51878377
Granted. But Barristan is old, so does the Blackfish, Dondarrion is an outlaw, Stannis bodyguard, I've got the feeling they're lawful alright, but they've throw their compassion trough the highest window of Dragonstone...

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>>51878522
>Stannis bodyguard, I've got the feeling they're lawful alright, but they've throw their compassion trough the highest window of Dragonstone...
When your lord is Stannis the Mannis, and his enemies are sociopathic, delusional, and manipulative, you don't need compassion

>>51876199
The only reason Climate Change isn't accepted on a wide scale in the US right now is because the Coal industry leveraged propaganda early on to throw doubt on it.

>>51877110
>>51876929

It's Magic you fucking retard. Of course it breaks the laws of physics.

>>51880412
Or because it was first called Global Warming.

>>51874882
Because they don't slaughter all the peasant, the soldiers just have their fun with them. Everybody knows they would starve without peasants, but it's not like there is a shortage of them. Nobody's going to miss a hundred of 'em, or ten thousand for that matter. Somehow worked out in real history too, didn't it?

>>51880511
>Somehow worked out in real history too, didn't it?
When the peasantry was almost gone. The Nobles had to bend over backwards to try and get as many on their land. and in our world they got certain rights now seen before.

George Told Us westeros is a Sparse Continent, and that KL is the Most Heavily populated City. Reducing a Population already thin is Idiotic

>>51876199
>trollocks and mydraal roaming the realms of men and battles with so much power that they light up the sky are a bit more tangible.
Outside the borderlands, most people think Trollocs and the like are a myth, and that Darkfriends are just weirdo cults (and a lot of them were until the Forsaken started waking up).

also
>>51880412
The only reason Climate Change isn't accepted on a wide scale in the US right now is because the Coal industry leveraged propaganda early on to throw doubt on it.
Think of the Darkfriends as Coal Industry Lobbies.

>>51876631
But that's the main reason peasants work for the Lord of a castle.
To get protection in case of an attack.

>>51880785
That's not how Feudalism works

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>"B-but muh tax system"

>>51880894
Used once for a Plot Gimmick and then never talked about again.

>>51880785
Protection in the sense that the lands will eventually be reconquered

The lord does not "owe" his peasants anything. Peasants owe their lord their allegiance.

>>51877368
Cortnay actually makes no fucking sense to me.
Renly was dead, he owed his fealty to Stannis even if we ignore the king part because he fucking owned the Stormlands now, and he literally promises he'll join anyone who isn't Stannis if they help break the siege... because the people who joined Stannis changed their king and that's disloyal.

I've always wondered why WH40k doesn't have more megastructures. We've got the world engine, the planet killer, and all the other giant spaceships, but I don't think I've heard of a ringworld or other big dumb object.

If the DAOT humans can crank out castigator titans, use baneblades as scouting tanks, and make a battleship with a magic main gun that can warp targets backwards in time just so it doesn't have to shoot twice, why didn't they build ringworlds, dyson spheres, artificial planets, and other giant space constructions?

That isn't even mentioning the Necrons or Eldar.

Does it not just fit the theme?

>>51881042
Something about Edric. He feared Stannis might Kill Edric

>>51881061
He was right too. Mel would have roasted that boy

>>51881080
Edric and Shireen should be betrothal

>>51881061
A fair suggestion, however not one that makes any fucking sense given his suggestion of settling this with trial by combat.

>>51881088
The Shireen thing made me just plain stop watch the show.
I was annoyed with how they didn't seem to get the Stannis character at all up to that point, but the killing off of Shireen for shock value combined with the Dorne act just cemented it.

>>51881048
What's the point?

Why would you present a large mostly stationary target to your enemies when you have ships that can fuck up time itself? Probably there were some such structures built basically on a dare and most of them got destroyed.

Eldar also have Commoragh and Webway which make most ringworlds look pitiful. Unless we go into Culture scale things where whole system mass was combined into a single habitat around a star.

>>51881130
they should have just killed everyone but the martells in the dorne act.

God how I fucking the people who make the Game of Thrones. They make Stannis evil for shitty fucking reason.

>>51881048
Why did Ogryns adapt to high gravity worlds by becoming even heavier than normal? Wouldn't it make sense for them to have become like birds- lightweight yet strong so as to resist the pull of gravity?

>>51881169
They have ships are the size of continents, saying that making anything larger is making a big target is fucking dumb as fuck.
I mean FFS they build statues the size of mountains and put them on top of these giant ships for decoration purposes.

>>51876878
>magic steel does not follow the laws of physic
you are aware that ASOIAF is fantasy, are you, dipshit?

>>51880949
It goes both ways. The Lord has to keep them and the land secure, they work the land.

>>51881048
There are sorts of super structures. They just get no spotlight.

>>51881216
And he's obviously working on it if he's holed up in his castle? Peasants should know their place and show some gratitude.

>>51881234
Tywin please stop.

>>51881187
Continent ? That's a small target. Things like a Morthanveld nestworld are a big target. It transforms all the matter in the star system into a basket like weave around a star and is capable of housing hundreds-thousands of billions of people.

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>>51881184
They were just in it for the shock value. After the red wedding it feels like they lost interest and the show has gotten progressively worse and made less sense since season 4.

>>51881540
Why did they ever hate Stannis.
He's the Only one not being a fucking idiot

>>51881562
Well he was being a fucking idiot, but in that special stannis way we all love.

>>51881562
Because they invested all their love in Daenerys and Tyrion.

Seriously, they don't understand moral ambiguity at all. They made the characters they like more lovable and clean and the characters they didn't retard evil.

>>51881574

You know...
Stannis really isn't an idiot.
I mean, sure, we could all think of fuckups, but has he ever made an actually BAD decision in the books?

Like, even once?

That's not to say that everything he does is the right thing or anything.

>>51880446
a good magic system should have rules and limitations also magic is fucking stupid

>>51881244
But seriously. Peasants in that time (or in this setting, asoiaf) don't have a say. They get lorded over and that's it. They suffer the most in peace and in war and that's just how it is. They die like flies. It takes a lot for them to be able to rise up against their lords. Just look at russia, they have always been good at pacifying their peasants and keeping them in line.

>>51881769
I don't remember the books too well, but his falling out with Renly seems like a bit of a misstep. I can't actually remember what happened in that bit though, so I may be being unfair.

>>51881806
Both we being dumbasses but renly was acting like a jackass to stannis

>>51881771
>a good magic system should have rules and limitations
you are aware that magic is just now coming back and that people have literally no clue how Valyrian magic worked (except for fire/blood)?
>also magic is fucking stupid
then don't read fantasy and read something else

>>51881822
I mean arguably most of Stannis' problems weren't from a specific bad decision, more because of his ongoing turbo-autism forced him to always do the legally correct thing, even if said thing was pants-on-head retarded.

>>51878115
Because D&D isn't like medieval Europe in one important way: there is no "church," there are churches. Every faith, good and evil, that might want to rule has over a dozen other faiths to compete with, each with the exact same powers.

>>51874882
Writers throwing in big numbers just because, especially in terms of ridiculous lengths of time.

Like, the Others haven't been seen by humans in thousands of years, and yet people still have mostly accurate old wives' tales about them?

Or how the backstory of the setting has some political entity or nation existing as a coherent whole for hundreds or even thousands of years, but now the story begins and the entity is gonna bite the dust by the protagonists' hands. If the Empire or whatever has been this resilient for so long, you'd think the events of the story would considered a moderate crisis.

>>51878187
but monody trusts a dornishman.

>>51874882
I don't get why the lion's share of D&D settings are magical enough to have wizard colleges and elder gods and all this crazy shit, but weak magic items with simple-but-practical effects (like a ring that grants its user the use of a single cantrip) aren't everywhere. Even if it costs decent resources to make, the utter practicality of giving people a Ring of Prestidigitation and a Ring of Mending would balance out the cost of production a thousand fold.

>>51882064
>Like, the Others haven't been seen by humans in thousands of years, and yet people still have mostly accurate old wives' tales about them?
This bothered me too, like they talk about these things that are supposedly buried in myth and ancient times but their stories and the info they have is incredibly accurate still

>>51876631
>why would you protect your most vital assets (the people who make sure you have food) using your fortifications, when you can just let them die and starve to death afterwards?

You know why castles even exist in the first place? Literally every medieval castle had rooms to house at least some of the local peasantry during wartime that were used for exactly that.

>>51881869
>tfw playing Cuthbert cleric on a mission to purge literally every other religion and their false gods

Oh there will be a church if my DM lets me.

>>51882137
Right. IRL the number of myths, folk tales and urban legends we have all other the world is astounding, and the details themselves tend to change over time too (look at how we think of vampires, or aliens, or how conspiracy theories keep evolving to keep up with current preoccupations). Humans have an endless capacity for inventing wild stuff.

You'd think the presence of actual magic would make people even more credulous and imaginative, and their own legends would be even crazier. Instead in Fantasyland, myths are often rooted in truth, but the truth is barely or even not at all distorted.

>>51882203
>*not only are myths often rooted in truth, but the truth is barely or even not at all distorted.

>>51882120
Because you can't industrialize the mass-production of magic items. Every magic item must be made by hand by a spellcaster who probably has better things to do.

>>51882120
Play Eberron, arguably the best D&D setting

>>51882064
people gave dark souls 2 shit for "diluting the lore" when it had flavor texts that didn't have accurate callbacks to the first one even though it's set like a million years after that.

you just can't win either way.

>>51882199
The thing is, though, those other gods aren't false. They have their own magic and just as much power as you guys (in some cases, like the church of Rao, they have even MORE power than you guys.)

>>51882265
Anon, my cleric doesn't know that.

>>51882226
>become king
>address the funding of the wizard college
>improve their sway in certain areas where it would benefit you in exchange for putting a number of their lower-end artificers to work
>use the whole "three attuned items" thing to pair people with message, mending and whatever third thing they like that you have produced
>get them to build the magical equivalent of signal boosters in cities and communications towers along major roads
>use revenue from selling these by volume and a small tax to eat your share of the money people save from now magically having the power to do maintenance via stroking instead of spending time and resources fixing things to improve your kingdom's trade centers
All you have to do is pump more cash into the educational system, especially since the education wizards get can double as pumping it into your military budget.

>>51882278
Surely he knows that there are a few countries in the Flanaess literally ruled by other churches. It's not a secret.

>>51882331
Of course, but those are worshipping false gods.

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>>51881806
>In the Tv show Renly was stated to be the smarter baratheon.
>he was still the most retarded of the three
I want an explanation

>>51875429
True, he should have made sure the kid was dead.

>>51882294
I hate players who try to cheat at historical or pseudo-historical games by using their out-of-game knowledge of how industrialization works. You know, guys who try to skip several steps on the tech tree, also skipping the grueling process of research, dead ends, and slow cultural development that real innovators have to put up with. Fuck you and go play a modern or SF game if you can't stop metagaming like that.

>>51874882
Is that you, Widowmaker?

>>51881854
That's not entirely fair, Renly was being a total cock boy and planned on killing him for his own gain. Stannis offered him good terms.

He and Renly perhaps shouldn't have abandoned Ned is the real fuck up

>>51882363
>You know, guys who try to skip several steps on the tech tree
What is skipped by giving people a couple rings and trinkets with enchantments on it? What is skipped by spending taxes on public services?

>also skipping the grueling process of research, dead ends, and slow cultural development that real innovators have to put up with
Most of these settings have had the capacity to do this literally for centuries. Why, as a DM, can I not scratch my head at the idea that this is an incredibly easy logical leap.

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>GoT
>"this continent is a harsh environment to live in so everyone's a cutthroat asshole with only their own interest in mind"
>IRL Scandinavia
>pretty chill people wearing dumbass colorful shirts, have to get on a boat and cross over to mainland Europe or England to be an asshole because your wife will take your ass to court if you go full Viking at home

?????

>>51882385
It's Benhart you plebe

>>51882409
>Get on a boat
We've got a bridge these days, we're not savages

>>51882409
>wearing dumbass colorful shirts
Fuck you man.

>>51882137
that's due to social evolution being basically zero in ASoIaF. Technology in most fields hasn't progressed one bit in the last 300 years, and the world has multiple orders that have endured for thousands of years (Nights Watch, Maeters) who had records and tales of the Others.

In that setting, the Others are more of a cataclysmic event like the Great Flood, which marked and shaped every cultures past, so they all remember it still.

the accuracy of these tales can be debateable.

>>51882423
>you know what Leif
>you know what we should do
>build a bridge so we can go raid whenever the fuck we want

>>51882393
The idea that you can improve public education, the availability of rare raw materials, and interchangeable parts to the point where you can create a whole factory of wizards with nothing better to do than create items exactly to your specifications. No wizard is that hard-up for cash.

>>51882436
>Boats are so 800's. These days we just build a bridge and walk to wherever we want to raid, much simpler.

>>51882409
you mean the ironborn? they aren't as much based on vikings as people believe.

And in the book, the majority of them is
more honorable than the mainlanders by a mile.

>>51874882
>For me in ASOIAF it was how everybody keeps the peasants out of the castles when they're being slaughtered by enemy forces.
That's stupid, both for the reason you've already described as well as the reason why peasants allow themselves to be pushed around by knights and kings in the first place. The entire unwritten contract is that kings and knights push peasants around, but the peasants know that if push comes to shove the knights will defend them. As soon as that unspoken bond of trust and mutual understanding is broken, what reason would the peasants have to keep working for them and not instantly switch sides?

>Or how peasants are conscripted to fight and are armed with stuff like hoes and kitchen knives, given no training, and not even armoured.
Depending on how desperate the situation is, this could happen. Let's say you're fighting a particularly brutal enemy that won't take prisoners. In which case, having an extra peasant with a rake on the wall is better than not having him there.

>>51881795
>Peasants in that time (or in this setting, asoiaf) don't have a say. They get lorded over and that's it.
You either don't know what you're talking about, or your knowledge is purely French.

The medieval era, particularly England, was a cluster fuck of legal cases of bureaucratic rigmarole of peasants suing land lords and land lords suing overlords and all kinds of shit. Tax agents would regularly be waylaid and murdered or robbed as a form of protest, and the peasantry often got away with it. People would appeal for justice past their immediate boss to their boss, all the way up to the king himself, often exhausting everyone in the process. They could be a very litigious group, medieval society.

but there are cases of peasants being allowed into the castles in the story. Just not every castle. In some cases you don't want the peasantry in the castle because they are safer outside of it. As mentione here before, the armies in the war of five kings weren't genocidal hordes, they were just armies, and in the case of riverrun it was of paramount importance to hold the castle and deny the attackers the ability to scavenge the resources. It's a legitimate tactic, having a horde of starving peasants in your castle during a siege is madness.

You have numerous cases in history where all non essential personnel was thrown out of the castle to scuttle to another town or village for the duration of the siege.

>>51882446
Have you met a 1st level PC?

>>51882486
>or your knowledge is purely French.
Fuck off Lindybeige. If you actually read up on French history, you'll find that Saint Louis alone introduced at least two ordinances regulating the duties of royal officials and punishing them for abuse of power, as well as reeling in the clergy despite (or perhaps because of) being a saint (saints are declared post-humously, but even during his life he was seen as a special guy).

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Louis-IX
I picked the Britannica on purpose, before you start complaining that all that comes out of France are slander and propaganda.

Keep in mind that not every French king was Louis XIV, and even Louis XIV was one of the better kings from the perspective of non-nobles.

>>51882409
In real life very harsh environments actually encourage more cooperative cultures because the land is more your enemy than other people. So the Scandies learned to live with each other because its way easier and produces better quality of living than killing each other in the snow over pretty shitty land.

The other side of that is that people from harsh environments tend to kick other peoples ass pretty well

>>51874882
That's actually what used to happen IRL. During a siege, the defenders would turn out our lock out as many people as they could, keeping the bare minimum needed to fight. Other than the lord's family and maybe a few kitchen staff, everyone was supposed to be a soldier.
As for the peasant killing, that was a double-edged sword.us, killing all the peasants would financially cripple the defenders, but it would also hurt the attackers. After all, you siege a castle to take the land, and a you said. I'd you kill all the farmers, there is no one to work the land.

Knights didn't avoid killing peasants for noble reasons, they left them alive because they're simply part of the property.

And yes, this is different if you're firing brigands. Brigands came to steal shit, not conquer, so if they attack you could certainly let the small folk in until the baddies go away.

>>51882446
>No wizard is that hard-up for cash.

I dunno, inscribing literally any spell into a spellbook costs gold pieces and spellbooks are easily dmaaged by all the things that damage books in general. Wizards always have plenty of expenses.

>>51880785
I bet you think paying the mafia protection money entitles you to have your shop defended.

>>51881562
They're danyfags

>>51881869
Thats assuming no power vacuum, and no settlement time.
What will happen is that some of the Stronger Gods who efforts into a Stronger Cleric, will suddenly gain a massive foothold, and then expand.

Basically in D&D, it doesn't make sense for non pious communities to even exist, for ANY LARGER COMMUNITIES.
And the more grimderp, even more so.
Even if the Diety or Pantheon in question is non caring, thats still The Church of Whatever running City State of Whatever, and Gods Fury will show up somewhere.

>>51882852
>Tyrion gets blamed in the tv show for danys mistake im the books.
What do they mean by this

>>51882260
People dislike dark souls 2 because it was shit. The lore was the best part of the game.

>>51883054
>redditors dislike dark souls 2 because they expected dark souls 1-2 and are still butthurt about that

FTFY

>>51882433
Well after all they're on a ringworld and development may be either literally impossible because of material scarcity or else covertly suppressed by whoever constructed the ringworld.

>>51883084
wut

>>51878248
>The chosen secret brothers from the epic ancient bloodline will win agaisnt the evil magic zombie horde of the north riding dragons and get to rule the country

Just fuck my expectations already fäm
Shit is worse than Eragon now. At least we got surprised when the BBEG WAS NOT Eragon's dad.

>>51883395
>he thinks that's actually happening

fat chance, Euron has a full Valyrian Steel Armor and for all we know he is in the Curch of Starry Wisdom. Shit is not going to go smoothly.

I'll be surprised if Dany ever makes it to westeros in the Books.

>>51883551
How dod he get his armor

>>51877520
Medieval guidelines I've seen suggest a manned castle for about every 50k population. You just couldn't put them in all the castles even if you wanted to.

>>51875660
Do you even Season Unending?

>>51877111
AOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>51883551
>implying the fat fuck would not take the easy way and follow D&Ds shit writing
please don't get my hopes up, Anon

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>>51875254
>>51878115
Levels aren't easy things to gain.

The world population estimate for the 1400s is between 350 million and 400 million. If we run the numbers on how many encounters it takes to level up versus how lethal those encounters are likely to be, we get the attached breakdown.

Look at how few individuals make it to level 12 or higher. 35,687 out of 400,000,000. That's 0.00892%. Remember a few years back, when people were complaining about "the 1%"? We're talking 1% OF 1%. Simply put, your high-level clerics and wizards aren't numerous enough to directly run everything.

This also doesn't take into account the time required to reach those levels, which is going to be considerable--especially when you take into account the relative rarity of threats potent enough to provide experience points to these higher-level individuals. If those threats are common enough to support individuals reaching such levels while still in their prime, they're also going to be common enough to keep those individuals occupied.

>>51883551
I want to believe the TV series is just a "Rebuild of ASOIAF" and that the books will still be ok
But I don't hope so much anymore. WoW was supossed to be done for 2016.

>>51883936
Hes not going to finish

>>51884033
KEK HAS FORSAKEN US

>>51883827
>This also doesn't take into account the time required to reach those levels
Merely by levelling, you start ascending in D&D.
The purer classes, such as Monk, stop aging very early.
Everyone else needs to Ascend, but still gets extreme life span extensions from the tenfold improvements in saving throws.
Warlord is no longer dead at 50: If he dies of old age, its at age of 400-500, if not even older.
And thats before you consider that Clerics could be ascended to Angels.

>your high-level clerics and wizards aren't numerous enough to directly run everything.
When you can At Will invoke Enlargened Cloud Kill, do you understand what this capability is?
Thats just Basic Vancian Magic.
Even a shit level 4 Cleric could spend hours doing a ritual to do even bigger things.
And remember: This isn't about Micromanagment, this is about dieities like El or Pelor taking over socities because otherwise they will destroy them in fits of fury.
Remember: D&D is a setting where Spelljammer is the closest there is to "sensibility" in terms of lore and abilities supporting each other.

>>51883586
that's the question.

>>51875660

To be fair, the town guards have little trouble killing those dragons whenever they show up.

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>The Alliance and Horde both still having the ability to be globetrotting superpowers that can fight a war on another damn world after so much carnage in such a short amount of time

>The Night Elves being in the Alliance

>The Forsaken being in the post-WC3 Horde

>The Blood Elves joining the Horde so sloppily

>War Crimes

>Garithos from TFT being a plot device to make the Blood Elves hostile to the Alliance who hardly ever gets talked about in later Lore

>Garrosh and Varian both being inconsistent characters who force faction war faggotry

>The Dragonflights being super unhelpful complete with doing jack about the Scourge back in WC3

>Time travel

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>>51875330
>even though inbreeding should cause a bunch of other fucked shit.

>>51876008
>Climate change will literally kill industrial civilization and reduce humanity to a feudal at best existence

It will kill a few hundred million people at the absolute worst. That isn't the end of industrial civilization.

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>>51883078

>>51884177

Being seriously inbred has worked out for Ashkenazi Jews.

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>>51880412
Classic XD

>>51880747
>Coal industry leveraged propaganda
Yes, blame coal! Keep silent about solar and wind money scam. Good shloa

>>51884177
I remember the guy on the right. All of his organs were only third of their original size

>>51875254
Funny how that weird DnD movie was one of the few times wizards were the rulling class.

>>51877302

Robb lost becsuse he dipped his dick in some backwoods lordling's daughter and didn't have the political acumen or absolute authority to hold his bannermen together after.

He could have bounced back from one plan not working because one of his dumb relatives accidentally won too much. Kid was a gifted field commander.

terrible king though.

In any setting where human beings can develop (or inherit) the ability to shoot fireballs from their hands, why would medieval warfare develop?

In a setting where there are giant fire breathing dragons of destruction, why is everything else the same? Why do people live in the same civilization structures when a dragon could come along and flatten it? How did these civilizations even form in the first place with the dragons around?

In a setting with vampires, why are they always a minor faction or just wilderness monsters? Why aren't the immortal beings superior to humans politically and culturally powerful? Why aren't they spread across the world?

>>51875223

>Why did Danny's brother have random bouts of severe autism?
He's born a prince who throughout all his life have been at the mercy of whoever took him in. People tend to be get pretty fucked up if they are always on the risk of losing everything (including their own life) while simultaenously being treated like royalty and constantly being fed that someday you will ascend to the throne of Westeros and rule the most powerful kingdom in the world.


>Why is the overwhelming majority of the time spent watching characters you don't care about or can't possibly fucking like. Do people read this fucking series for anything but Tyrion and Snow?

Snow is the absolute worst character in that series and anyone who rooted for him deserves their head on a pike.

The whole point of his writing is to get the outside aswell as the inside view-point of characters and how they grow or fail to learn from their experiences. As such Sansa is one of the most interesting characters in the series as she goes from the standard naivie princess who is passively awaiting her Prince Charming to a character who slowly comes to understand how the real world functions and trying to take charge of her own life.

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>>51884361

Your questions are answered by White Wolf.

> In a setting with vampires, why are they always a minor faction or just wilderness monsters?

Not in White Wolf.

>Why aren't the immortal beings superior to humans politically and culturally powerful?

They are in White Wolf.

>Why aren't they spread across the world?

They are in White Wolf.

>>51877209
Why? What's the point of having a castle if you've got no peasants?

>>51884153
they do not even pretend to care anymore. Nowadays, its all about "Merely a setback" and lame pop-culture references

>>51884361
>In a setting with vampires, why are they always a minor faction or just wilderness monsters?
Because the far more numerous humans fear them and kill them basically on sight?

>In a setting where there are giant fire breathing dragons of destruction, why is everything else the same?
Well it depends on the setting, but the ones I've played in make quite clear that dragon attacks are very rare.

>>51884361
>In any setting where human beings can develop (or inherit) the ability to shoot fireballs from their hands, why would medieval warfare develop?

There's loads of reasons, the easiest one would be that they take the roll of artillery on the battlefield. If wizards are rare then that just means that people generally have no reason to adapt their whole military tactics after them.


>In a setting where there are giant fire breathing dragons of destruction, why is everything else the same? Why do people live in the same civilization structures when a dragon could come along and flatten it? How did these civilizations even form in the first place with the dragons around?

IIRC the dragons in aSoIF were reasonably few and only lived in a certain area of the world. As such your question makes as much sense as asking:
If there are giant oceans with no isles, then why did civilisations happen on land?

>>51884225

let's not turn this into a /pol/ thread.

>>51882356
He's like that fag that went to college then wound up working a shit job same as high school dropouts but with more debt. High int, low wis.

>>51878009
>Dragonglass, or any of the magic materials that is still around

since when is dragonglass magic?

>>51882423
>Swedes think that sending all of their immigrants to work good jobs in Copenhagen then go back to pay taxes in Malmö is now part of their "viking heritage"

>>51884571
Now you've done it they will see it as a challenge and shitpost as much as they want.

>>51875330
That is how inbreeding works though. If you don't have many bullshit genes, you don't get a low of bullshit effects.

>>51876269
>most sieges were won by starvation, not battle.
To nitpick, most sieges that went ahead were won by attrition and not quite starvation, but the defenders realising a relief column wasn't coming in time and capitulating.

However, far more sieges were averted by an early surrender than by anything else. The army would rock up, declare intent to siege and most of the time surrender would either come then or a week down the line when they'd completed their encirclement and another offer was given.

>>51884664

I am them.

>>51882356
The guys who directed the TV show didn't get that book Renly was supposed to be a charismatic dumbass. Someone who could be very clever or smart in specific regard and still miss the forest for the trees. The caretaker of the three Baratheon brothers who was basically the closest thing they had to a father even stated that Renly had a tendency to assume more of himself than he might actually be able to achieve.

The TV show writers just sorta assumed that he was the smartest guy but still wanted to follow a rough version of the book plot.

>>51882064
>Writers throwing in big numbers just because, especially in terms of ridiculous lengths of time.
This, holy fuck. I can't believe people are wasting their time arguing about whether peasants should have been allowed into a castle during the siege when the timeline spans 10,000 years of history. The Night's Watch was founded at least 6000 years ago and most of the big-name families are allegedly as old. House Stark defeated and vassaled the Boltons 1000 years ago.
Ironically the Conquest and the foundation of the seven kingdoms was less than 300 years ago.

The excuse for this nonsense is "lol medieval chronologies" with the first written records dating back to the arrival of the Andals but that was still thousands of years ago.

>>51884771
>the foundation of the seven kingdoms was less than 300 years ago.
Err, the unification of the seven kingdoms, the kingdoms themselves are many thousands of years old.

>>51876008
>>51876398
>>51880412
>>51880747

Who let Twitter and tumblr in here?

>>51884213

It's not like millions of White Trash, Dindus, and Pacos getting wiped out wouldn't be a step-up.

>>51874882
>being suprised fat hack cant' write or think for shit
Martin is perhaps the worst fantasy author in recent years, and the fact that he and his fans both extol it as great and as "realistic", when it's as far as possible from it, even 40k is more based in history and reality, pisses me off to no end.
Fuck HBO for making it popular, and fuck them especially for killing Rome for GoT.

>>51884797
>Discussing climate change? You must be twitter or tumblr!
>White Trash, Dindus, and Pacos
Who let /pol/ in here?

>>51881186
Are you implying they should have became Squat?

>>51884844
>let them in
>implying we locked the door
It's not even closed

>>51874882

This one has me feeling all funny

>Plant Growth
>3rd-level transmutation
>Casting Time: 1 action or 8 hours
>Range: 150 feet
>Components: V, S
>Duration: Instantaneous
>This spell channels vitality into plants within a specific area. There are two possible uses for the spell, granting either immediate or long-term benefits.

>If you cast this spell using 1 action, choose a point within range. All normal plants in a 100-foot radius centered on that point become thick and overgrown. A creature moving through the area must spend 4 feet of movement for every 1 foot it moves.

>You can exclude one or more areas of any size within the spell’s area from being affected.

>If you cast this spell over 8 hours, you enrich the land. All plants in a half-mile radius centered on a point within range become enriched for 1 year. The plants yield twice the normal amount of food when harvested.


You have to be a level 5 druid or a level 9 ranger to cast this, so its not like your looking at epic level people. While you still need peasants and farmers to harvest this, this spell just makes food never be a problem. Maybe food not being a problem is a design goal, but the fact that a spell can basically alleviate food shortage at such a low level makes me scratch my head.

>>51875660
This is more of an issue with skyrims gameplay, no amount of evil can seem threatening if you can spend years ignoring it.

>>51881186
Weight doesn't slow you down, that's mass, which is the same regardless of gravity. What ogryns have is more muscle to overcome gravitational force. Sort of like how as a human, lifting weights makes you more muscular even though muscle has weight too.

>>51884602
The failure to recognize Dragonglass as magic, is one part of a long chain of failures

>>51884357
Jeyne Westerling wasn't much. Stannis being defeated & Tywin had allied with the Tyrells was the really problem. Lost Winterfell but captured Tywin? He'd have won even after as the Lannisters would be screwed & the Freys would be backstabbing the winners for the losers if they still Red Wedding.

>>51877058
Pretty much the only reason that wasn't a thing was because Aegon the Conqueror figured Westerosi liked kings more than emperors, and that they'd be less willing to unite behind the lords paramount of their regions and try to gain independence if he took away their crowns and stopped them from calling themselves kings.

>>51884865
>Double yield
So D&D settings should have larger cities than the real-life medieval period had, and more people in professions other than farming? Maybe even a smaller proportion of land under direct cultivation?
Fancy that.

>>51884935

It's just obsidian though.

>>51877260
>Even today we have lots of people who, despite modern scientific evidences, can't into understanding climate change.
No, it's stupid chuckle fucks like you that don't understand that "Climate Change Skeptics" are not skeptical of climate change itself, they are skeptical about how much of it is caused by humans.

What can't you dumb fucks get about that?

A volcanic eruption puts out more "greenhouse" gases into the atmosphere than the entire world produces in a decade, and yet the weather is affected by that for a negligible amount of time.

Besides, while you are staring at a crack in Antarctica other scientists are measuring deep and shallow ocean temperatures and coming up with conflicting data.

Go fuck yourself you virtue signaling SJW-like green earther.

>>51881771
The rules and limitations are that you need blood sacrifice.

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>>51884682
This. Purebreeding works best with good genes like pic related.

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>>51884817
>killing Rome for GoT.

What have you been smoking?

>>51884865

For every helpful druid or ranger casting that spell there's probably another asshole hippie druid or ranger sabotaging that shit. Also with necromancers or whatever defiling the land plus all those mythical monsters tearing shit up things probably balance out.

>>51884862

There's not even a door; it's just a big gaping maw into the abyss.

>>51884958

I mean that's probably it. I worked on a farm as a kid and it's just weird for me imagining doubling the amount of produce we normally got.

>>51884972
>Martin: I've given it magical characteristics that of course real obsidian doesn't necessarily have. After all, we live in a world that has no magic. My world does have magic, so it's a little bit different.

If you're less than 120 years old, chances are the farm you worked on already had yields several times what you'd get from medieval farms.

>>51883084
>Ring world

Nigga explain yourself

>>51882409
The North is where most of the more honourable houses are, with the exception of the Boltons. It's the Southron lords who are backstabbing pricks.

>>51882409
GoT being full of backstabbing assholes has nothing to do with the fucking environment.

>>51884983

A ridiculously overwhelming proportion of climate scientists believe not just that climate change is happening, but that it also occurring at a rapid pace due to the unprecedented impact of humanity on our planet.

What can't you dumb fucks get about that?

Do you really believe this is all a big liberal conspiracy? Do some serious fucking research into the findings of actual climate science, rather than whatever shit you've been fed by Fox News or whatever political rags you read.

>>51885124
Well you have to be kind of decent to not get loyal people around you. Without those you tend to get fucked by the northern winter.
The south is easy mode, even in winter it's not batshit cold with mountains of snow. Thus they can be petty little shits.

>>51885314
He's murrican. Thy have a "democracy" with whooping 2 parties. Both prostitute themselves to various corps to show the world how free they are whom to sell their bodies to.
The republicans spread their butt cheeks for obsolete energy producers, like nuclear, coal, oil (oil is only obsolete for energy purposes, tho).
In their interest it's best to deny that clima change is a thing - thus the republicans do the same. Need to keep the shekels from shugar daddy roling.

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>>51874882
This is pretty much what happened in Europe though. The British took great advantage of this against the French.
We would raid the whole of Northern France, Paris was impregnable to us but the entire country side was ours to plunder, then once we'd eaten our fill and put the rest to the torch we'd return to England.

This tactic also worked against the English until it became law for all adult men to practice with - and by implication own - a longbow for two hours a week.

The peasants longbow was an effective cheap weapon that didn't require huge amounts strength or bravery to kill with.
In b4 200 lb longbows, they were elite weaponry.

In the event the enemy army is attacking you peasants are better off as labour for the army than spread out in the fields waiting to be slaughtered by small mounted raiding bands. Need a trench dug, a makeshift palisade and the horses tended? The peasants are elite at that shit.

>>51875223
>Why did Ned show mercy to sexual deviants who tried to murder his son and posed a very real threat to his family and country?
Ned didn't want to murder the Lannisters kids, he thought he had time and options he didn't. Just think if little finger hadn't betrayed him he would have won, if King Rob had made it home from his boar hunt in good health, Ned would have won. He thought he was in a solid position, even wounded.

Dany is the ultimate female fantasy, simultaneously being the ultimate power and arbiter of everything while being the ultimate victim. She has dragons a huge empire and army - But she was raped, her family was murdered, her brother was a molester, her one true love was taken from her, she walked the desert alone.

Jon Snuuu is the same thing modified for the male palette. The same principles are there though. He's a bit more combat focused and he's allowed to give in to his rage which is something that appeals more to men. Other than that he's the same archetype.

>>51885396

>nuclear

Good job showing Leftys aren't hostile to Western technology and civilization. Shouldn't you be going to a non-Western dump Zimbabwe?

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>>51885396

>t. Leftcuck

>>51885314
>>51885396
>Brrr, so glad we barely survived that global ice age predicted to come about after the 70s. Good thing I prepared for it after the entire science community and liberal media warn me.

Also, why do you guys automatically assume coal and oil are evil? Why? I for one see them more reliable and efficient than solar and wind. Now if environmentalists let us use Nuclear power than that solve almost all our problems.

>>51885621

You're talking to Leftys. They have a grudge against Western Civilization and technology whether they admit it or not. Hence the support for Islam.

>>51885621

Climate Change created ISIS. Justin Trudeau told me that.

>>51885396
>>51885314

https://wattsupwiththat.com

http://motls.blogspot.com/search?q=Climate&m=1

>>51884909
But birds are very strong despite being light enough to fly. Wouldn't it make sense for them to become very strong yet low in mass so the high gravity affects them less?

>>51882642
> In real life very harsh environments actually encourage more cooperative cultures because the land is more your enemy than other people.
Man, what's Russia's excuse?

>>51884361
> On a planet with jaguars, cobras, and giant squid, why would medieval armies rely on herbivorous horses?
That's you. That's your question.

>>51885906
Birds make all kinds of design tradeoffs to be light enough to fly. In a high grav environment something human sized doesn't have the option of being light, so have to be strong, which means muscle, which means mass. Think of an elephant or a hippo: there's a reason they don't have hollow bones.

>>51876739
Even speaking as someone who enjoys the books, GRRM just isn't good with numbers and scale at all.

>>51882423
We know about the submarine fleet, Scandinavia.

>>51885701
But Trump told me Obama created ISIS.

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>>51876739
I don't know where you're getting that from since there aren't even that many decisive battles in AsoIaF to begin with, and the ones where "almost the entire army is destroyed" usually involved Dragons bathing the battlefields in flame.

Another example would be the fishfeed where an army got cornered at the shore of the godseye by three enemy armies and many soldiers fled into the lake, drowning.

The things I can think of like the battle at the Blackwater, or the Battle of the Trident, were massive Routs where the armies got scattered and ceased to exist as coherent fighting forces, but rarely does he mention half an
army being slaughtered on the battlefield.

>>51885402
>a huge empire and army
one disease ridden and besieged city
is not an empire, and a ragtag group of freed slaves and sellswords is not an army.

She does have dragons though.

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>>51885621
>>51885655

>>51875523
>Only problem was the first time I saw it on TV the song played too fucking early and broke the atmosphere.
I think that's the point. At that time we were still at the "Jaime is a team-killing sister-fucking cunt" phase of character development, and him getting his hand cut off was so cathartic at the time.

>>51889792
That and for the jarring lurch between "Oh my god he just got his hand cut off!" and "DADADADADADABEARTHEREWASABEARABEAR!"

Shit, but there were some good moments in that show. Even in 6, believe it or not.

>>51889691
dont play dumb you cuck

>>51885402
>to us

Wow, you went pillaging in medieval France yourself? Nice.

>>51889938

Go back to your containment board you faggot. No one cares about your rants here.

>>51889971
my containment board is the entire world now, fucker. dont like it? better jump off a bridge cuz we're the fucking president and you aint shit.

>>51889988
No you are not President

>>51883597
>Season unending
>Nords and Empire are so retarded it takes literally a demigod walking to their leaders to get them to maybe deal with the dragon issue now instead of later

>>51876950

I had the impression it was several dozens. All of them children should be mentioned as well.

>>51889988

That's right, you're president of your shitty basement. Try going out for an hour acting tough and se how much you last.
Fucking pussy.

>>51882265
The other gods may exist, but they're still wrong and therefore must be purged. So sayeth my fanatical believer (yet not properly devout enough to be a cleric) fighter.

>>51885580
You realize that Cuba under Castro was more or less sieged all the time? Because Cuba did not envision his future as US-colony/Mafia state like before.

Now look how healthcare fared. Or retirement funds. Or public education. Though the roof.

>>51885550
Mate I prefer not to have cancer.
Also:
>western technology
Idiot detected.

>>51885580
>Spain
>Latin America

>>51884474
It buys you time to get an army together and deal with the besiegers.

>>51890520
Nuclear's actually safer and way more energy dense. But 'muh cancers' Nigga look at California, they have determined that air gives you cancer.

If you're going to fucking die from breathing, put a few rods of thorium in a pool and let's get this shit rolling.

>>51890693
How are you going to do that if you're stuck in a castle?

>>51890720
By sending a guy out to let everyone else know about the army sitting on your doorstep.

>>51889817
>Shit, but there were some good moments in that show. Even in 6, believe it or not.
Of course. All the people hating on GoT for being badwrongfun and cancer baffle me. It's especially egregious on here of all places, where we happily revel in third-rate genre fiction and put up with months of unsatisfying RP experiences hoping for that one moment when something amazing happens in the campaign. Yeah, it's no War and Peace, but thank the gods for that.

>>51876008
In centuries time and we can't do anything about it because 90% of climate change is due to cosmic seasons.
Immediatelly stopping all industry would be the equivalent of turning on a fan during the summer. And the consequences of giving up on electricity would be even more disastrous to human life than just letting the poles melt.

>>51891622
Has anyone proposed no electricity?
On an internet photo sharing webzone?

>>51874882
I think the bigger question is why were the Danny chapters so uninteresting without the Khal? At least the areas were fairly interesting, but her actual antics bored the fuck out of me for some reason.

>>51881806
Renly did that.

Renly had NO right to the throne by ANY metric, explicitly sought to marginalize Stannis, and offered him nothing while demanding his fealty.

>>51882356
Renly wasn't very smart. People loved him, but it's clear he was kind of a pampered dumbass.

>>51880949
Shut up King John, that shit's why people remind you as a petty, raging fuckup rather than a good economic administrative.

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>>51891971
>Renly wasn't very smart. People loved him, but it's clear he was kind of a pampered dumbass.

>Tyrells besieged you family castle to the point of Starvation.
>Your Older Brother Refused to Yield Because he knows they will be killed.
>Almost two decades Later You are in bed with the very people who wanted you dead.
>They later Support Joffrey once you are dead.
>The Matriarch even calls you a fuck up.
You think Stannis or Roberts Question him about bedding with the Tyrells

>>51877524
Well, a magocracy done thoroughly. Dependence on furycrafting (magic) had stalled technological progress and since strength is determined by genetics you ended up with a lot of all powerful morons. This actually ends up biting humanity in the ass.

>>51890707
I don't have a picture, but I thought you might be amused to know I've seen an actual sign warning that sawdust is known to the State of California to increase the risk of cancer.

>>51891668
Because she's boring. Pretending to be oblivious to some guy calling her a goatsucking whore was kind of amusing, and reminiscing on how her asshole brother was slowly broken by the world was sort of neat. Otherwise, she just doesn't have the personality for anything she does to come off as interesting, even if it's somewhat interesting on its own merits or, far more often, just very large.

The Unsullied were a perfect example of this. She buys a bunch of slave soldiers using other peoples' money and the dragons she got because she's a really dark Disney princess. Then she uses them to murder the people who sold them to her, because, uh, she like, hates slaves and stuff. Then she frees them all, because slavery is wrong! Then they serve her as blind slave soldiers anyway, because she's awesome!

So we've got all kinds of weird shit going on there, an entire city falling and a mighty army rising under a new master and so on, and all of it is bog-standard and/or has nothing in particular to do with her.

>>51891622
>cosmic seasons
I don't think that's a thing.

>>51893909
>I don't think that's a thing.
The Milky Way orbits the center mass of the universe at an aproximate 250M years per cycle, which roughly coincides with the mass extinction periods on earth.

>>51894029
You lie.

How are years measured in Westeros since they don't have regular seasons of a set interval?

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>>51893909
I hate that character so much because she's obviously the character your supposed to root for.

GRRM's feminism showing through I think.

>>51875330
>"Targaryen madness" even though inbreeding should cause a bunch of other fucked shit. Even if we handwaive it and say it's magic it doesn't make sense, at a certain point almost everyone should be stark raving mad because they're so inbred. That isn't the case, you get weird crap like 3 regular guys from 2 crazy people, a crazy person born from 2 regular people, all sorts of weird stuff.

Except the Targs didn't always keep it in the family. There was enough new blood every other generation that you could get away with fucking your sister-cousin. Aerys II was born to an incestuous union (as were his own children), but his father had a Blackwood mother. The Targs probably have the most to their family tree out of all of the families in the setting so it's easy to track the in-breeding.

Only one the madness skipped was Raeghar, but one could argue that he had his own sort of madness, believing he could save the world the way he was doing things.

>>51894122
Maesters are so meticulous that they probably count the days, and there's probably a system left over where years are so many days.

>>51885580
>Haiti is even worse than Cuba
Dindus: Officially Worse Than Communism

>>51894275
So is Cersei GRRM's misogyny showing through you dumbass?

>>51888788
>GRRM just isn't good with numbers and scale at all.
Didn't he even admit this when somebody working on the show asked him about the height of the Wall?
>lol I only wrote a number that sounded cool, I figure numbers don't mean anything because if they did my weight would be really alarming

>>51895188
No. But Lysa Arryn is named after Lisa Tuttle (Lysa Tully) a girl who cucked him and who was a feminist. Even after it didn't work out he still helped her write her books.

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>>51877681
Unless you industrialize. If you use create______ spells with infinite recharges to simulate mass manufacturing, you could (((acquire power))) throughout the world with an infinite bankroll.
>Create Gold anyone?

>>51881769
>has he ever made an actually BAD decision

Melisandre

>>51881048
My biggest issue with the Necrons and Eldar is that they seem to focus so much on infantry battles, despite clearly being a lot more advanced than the other factions.

Eldar are probably a solid Type II on the Kardashev scale, AND are supposedly a dwindling race with a low reproduction rate, and yet a huge portion of their warfare seems to consist of throwing infantry at the enemy. Why would they even deploy footsoldiers to begin with? If they have any ground presence at all, it should solely be vehicles.

It makes even less sense with Necrons, since they're not only post-organic robots, but their science is apparently so advanced that it makes even the post-Fall Eldar look like idiot children - yet they're still relying on skelebots with (admittedly very advanced, deadly) guns to do most of the work. They should be using things like the World Engine on a regular basis, making white dwarfs to go supernova by adding mass to them until they start carbon fusion, de-orbiting planets into stars, etc.

I know it's probably because GW has generally written the combat side of 40K as "fantasy meets WWI/II infantry warfare... IN SPACE!", but it still doesn't make sense.

>>51895258
>the fatass turns out to be a massive doormat toward women
Well fuck me backwards with a rake, what a baffling surprise-a-rooney

>>51894029
>Ordovician–Silurian extinction 450 Mya
>Late Devonian extinction 375 Mya
>Permian–Triassic extinction 250 Mya
>Triassic–Jurassic extinction 200 Mya
>Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction 65 Mya
>Holocene extinction right now

Yeah okay. I don't know what the fucking Milky Way's orbit has to do with meteorites and carnivorous apes discovering fire and flint tools either.

>>51895352
Ook ook we will fuck a bitch up

>>51885580
>Spain
>Latin America

>>51877523
50000 is definetly not accurate. 15th century population of my country was around 300000 and there were definetly more than 6 fortified hanseatic towns with castles and keeps. Plus at least as many crusader castles. Pluss a shitload of fortified monasteries and god knows how many family keeps and towerhouses

>>51889149
Obama created Climate Change

>>51890101
your kind will soon go extinct. Stand on the right side of history and abandon the leftist delusion

>>51895341
Dunno anything about newcrons, but this made perfect sense (by warham standards) for oldcrons because they were engaged in a routine harvest, not a war. They didn't want to kill anybody except to feast on their delicious essence or whatever, which I guess might be easier with endless waves of mindless immortal infantry than hurling their farms- I think you call them "planets" in your language- into the sun.

More importantly, 40k doesn't make sense ever. Expecting it to is a bit like expecting deep philosophy out of Twilight: It can probably happen now and then, but it was never the point and certainly never its strong suit.

>>51876008
>and nobody does fuck all about it in favor of muh god
That's bullshit.
Everyone from the Vatican, to the Ecumenical Patriarch, to the World Council of Churches are big pro-enviromentalists.
It's purely muh politics, and "burning fossil fuels is so convenient, guys! Let's ignore it, or make justifications on why it should continue"

>>51890615
>>51895391
>failing to comprehend the idea of a comparison line from outside the region
How Latin American education of you

>>51882851
They would protect it from other families, which is pretty much analogous to a lord protecting his peasants from another lord.

>>51895686
He's talking about US evangelicals, which are about as far from Christianity as you can get.

>>51876008
Fuck no it won't. We're on /tg/, bring that shit on.

Who /feudalism/ here? Let's go pollute some shit.

>>51875254
honestly unless I'm using a preexisting setting that says otherwise, I generally assume almost no living Magic User that isn't a PC will be over level 5 or so

>>51876269
>not having farmland and livestock within castle walls
Ya'll need to learn.

>>51885580
>10% GDP increase
>When under Embargo and not landlocked
Thats fine and good

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>>51884972
>It's just obsidian though

*cough* Glass Candles *cough* *cough*

Obsidian is one hell of a magical material in Planetos, Anon. Valyrian wizards used that shit to do what Greenseers can/could do. Probably far better as well.

>>51881048
>planets literally covered in hives
>no megastructures

>>51884474
the peasants aren't being slaughtered when they leave before the enemy arrives. Once the siege is over they can return.

They aren't farming during a siege.

>>51896474
tell that to Tywin or Gregor

>>51896474
>not farming during a siege
That's some low level peasantry.

A fantasy peasant should be able to decapitate a fucker with his hoe, plow through an army with his cart and be back in time for his shitty dinner

>>51896502
Where's the part when he is told of the Prophecy and becomes the king?

>>51896593
when he pulls out the sword

>>51896593
>wanting to govern
Fuck that. The ideal badass peasant is content with raising carrots the size of dragons that are hollowed out and used as ships, or plowing a field in record time.

All you need is farm, anon.

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>>51884766
>Renly tells catelyn that Stannis will not negotiated and demand that they bend the knee.
>During Parley Stannis is willing to negotiate and even tells his younger brother renly that he would be his heir making him king by default.
>Renly says Fuck you.
Why did they shill for renly so fucking bad.

>>51898755
because muh poor homos

>>51895604
*tips fadora*

>>51880467
It's been called Climate Change since the 1950s. Search scientific literature. They specifically say things like 'Climate Change' or 'Climatic Change'.
http://www.tandfonline.com/action/doSearch?AllField=The+Carbon+Dioxide+theory+of+climatic+change&content=standard&countTerms=true&dateRange=%5B19500101+TO+19701231%5D&target=default&startPage=0&pageSize=10
>>51884266
Blame sensationalist media for that rather than climate scientists.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU_AtHkB4Ms&list=PL82yk73N8eoX-Xobr_TfHsWPfAIyI7VAP&index=3

>>51884320
Incidentally I think it was actually based on the writer/director's own built setting.

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>The Great Houses of the Lannisters, the Baratheons, the Tullies, the Tyrells, the Starks, the Arryns, the Martells, the Greyjoys have all been nearly annihilated
>Thousands of noble knights and lords are also dead
>There is no clear line of succession to Cersei, who's probably gonna be dead soon
>The High Septon is dead with no replacement and the Faith is up in arms
>Two Targeryens are on their way, one of whom might be a bastard and the other is a woman who can't have children anymore
There is literally no good royal or even noble family at this point that can succeed to rule the Iron Throne. There is no house that can unite Westeros, and none save Arryn, Stark and Martell than effectively rule their own province anymore.

Who the fuck is supposed to rule Westeros if they survive the White Walkers? Will they just start electing kings like it's the Holy Roman Empire, or will they just put up a figurehead and go full English Parliament as the real power in Westeros?

>>51898755
The TV directors probably never really read into any of that. They seem like very much face value people. "Oh, Renly is gay? Better make sure that the audience is very aware of how much he fucks men! Oh, Daenerys takes control of a city, it's because she's a powerful and commanding figure!" I don't even think the books are the deepest thing ever, I just think that the TV guys...don't get that characters aren't a total blank slate.

Hell, I don't like Dany, but I think the idea of a wannabe chosen one who's ultimately just very propped up is interesting. It's just that the show takes "chosen one" and forgets the whole "needs everyone else to do her job".

>>51899790
>Danny wins the game of thrones and takes over Westeros after Snow kills all the White Walkers and Cersei burns alive in the red keep
>Doesn't actually rule, let's Tyrion, the two slaves, Varys and Littlefinger run everything
>Westeros is reunited and repaired after years of war
Not bad

>>51899912
>she dies and another succession war starts
k

>>51874882
iirc ice and fire's cyclical wars are to purge excess population so the survivors have enough food for winter, like lemmings. bucket specifically explains this

>>51884153
>implying the dragonflights are something else than the product of Knaak's self-insert masturbation to Dragonlance
>implying Blizzard cares enough to actually write original consistant characters after fucking up their own lore thrice in a row
>implying blood elves were not a mistake
>implying Night Elves are not only in the Alliance because muh Elves
>implying time travel is not an attempt to lazily rehash old lore so that they don't have to write their own

>>51880809
That is exactly how feudalism works. Serfs were specifically allowed into the castle during a siege while freemen were not. Serfs were property of the lord, and thus his responsibility, while freemen were expected to be able to fend for themselves.

Put it this way, would you leave your valuable property outside where the enemy might beak it?

>>51901020
A key element of the medieval mentality which GRRM never seemed to have grasped is the sense of RESPONSIBILITY a lord had. Instead he make all his nobles a bunch of power hungry dicks without any sense of responsibility to their servants. This isn't medieval politics, it's what an edgy modern writer think medieval politics were like.

>>51901091
>>51901020
Not only that GRRM doesn't grasp that even if the Lords felt little moral responsibility the lord had an economic responsibility to himself to protect his subjects. The only reason land is valuable is because resources, be it agriculture produce, mined ore, lumber, or taxes, can be extracted from its inhabitants. The immense slaughter in Westeros really damages the economic base of all nobles.

At least he got it right that Littlefingers mastery of finances makes him a money-wizard to everyone else

>>51901091
To be fair, our idea of the middle ages came from the 14th century, and Victorian wank fantasies.

Inbreeding, dickass nobles, witch burning, kinky torture devices, plagues, century long wars, people not taking baths, All that happened at the very end of the middle ages. Western Civilization had completely collapsed, and the Victorians just assumed things had always been that way, because it helped them feel superior.

To be fair to GRRM though, he did say himself that his books were inspired by the War of the Roses, which was very much the bad part of the middle ages where everything was covered in shit.

>>51895604
>minor regressive wave in a handful of countries due to idiocy of liberal politicians
>heavily contested everywhere, including in the US
>Trump couldn't even win the popular vote
>"we're everywhere, we're right, you're going to go extinct"

Like I understand most /pol/tards are mentally challenged, hence the nickname, but at least don't pretend your temper tantrum against a changing world is anything but, let alone some high-minded moral stance (quick note: once you start bashing everyone not in your in-group and supporting restriction of constitutional rights, you lose both left- and right-wing moral high grounds).

>>51901091
While many other anons brought up valid points, I heavily disagree with this one.

Westeros is meant to evoke medieval Europe, not portray it accurately. ASOIAF religion is completely different from medieval European, for instance (polytheism!), except for "there's a church and they're corrupt", which is hardly exclusive to Catholicism.

The political situation is vastly different as well - most of Westeros is a single country ruled by a single king, which Europe hadn't seen since Roman times. You can't say it's only meant to represent England because Westeros is something like the size of South America.

I'm perfectly fine with this completely different world (magic! dragons! giants!) having differently-minded nobles.

>>51901020
Not to mention said property takes 15 years or so to fully replace, and needs another of its kind to train it properly.

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>>51901406
It's almost as if its a work of fiction meant to be entertaining rather than a course in history.