/hhg/ aka Horus Heresy General

First for the true Wolves

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>>51865921
Second for claiming this post for the Vlka Fenryka.

>>51865921
>>51865956
Can we get a new thread? I asked for one that doesn't allow pets.

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Rate my shitty OC weapon senpaitachi

Retiarius Net - 10p Net-man net
12" S4 APX

Assault 1, Blast, Pinning, One Use Only, That rule GSC Webbers have where AP = Toughness of the unit hit

I just want more cool gladiator stuff

>>51865921
>>51865956
>>51865968

I was actually referring to the original XVI.

Virtues of the Sons/Sins of the Father audiodrama link anyone?

Wow, the new Titan Guard are cool and surprisingly well balanced. I dig them. I need more Vanguard for 40k anyway, and those are viable. I don't have a Titan, though. Anyone tried them as just a line of Reductor medium infantry?

>>51865992

Seems fine in 30k, since AFAIK it's AP=Strength. This is a sarge or special squad weapon, right? 20 of the WE nasty tacs with a S4 blast each would be a bit much, but that looks fine in smaller numbers. WE Special dudes with one each, Bolt Pistol and maybe a Power Lance trident thing might actually be cool as hell.

>The mass of the Lux Ferem could not be stopped, but it could be slowed just enough. The city-sized weight of the mass-conveyor was barely ten metres overhead, Magnus and his warriors safe within the crater pushed up into its belly as the rest of the vessel settled on the platform with a groan of metal that went on and on until if felt like it would never stop.
>But it did stop

> Commander of the Xth Company, Captain of the XVIth Legion, loyal servant to the true Emperor of Mankind.
> And I will have my vengeance, in this life or the next.

>>51866040
Words that kill

>>51866049
Yeah I wanted it as and extra Caedere Weapon also the rule is that if it hits a unit who's majority T3 then it's ap3 if it hits a unit with T4 it's ap4 etc.

>>51866040
Given how short the two stories are, you've almost certainly spent more time begging for this than it would actually take to listen to the entire thing.

>’You are so like me in so many ways,’ said the Emperor. Magnus flushed with pride, but, as always, the Emperor’s words camed multiple meanings. ’You have a great many of my strengths, but strength magnified to excess eventually becomes a weakness.’
>’How can that be?’
>’Confidence can spill over into arrogance,’ said the Emperor. ’An obsessive pursuit of perfection can blind you to what it costs to achieve. Attention to detail can become micro-management. Magnus, you have my intellect and my power, but like me you are prone to believing you can do no wrong, that your intellect lifts you above the risk of making petty mistakes or errors based on emotion.’

Can I get a quick assessment please?

Primarch's Chosen, 2500, Death Guard

HQ
Mortarion - 425

Troops -

Vets with Melta guns and Rhino, Art + Scythe on Sarge - 265
Vets with Plasma guns and Rhino, Art + Scythe on Sarge - 265
Tacs in Rhino, Artificer and Melta bombs on Sarge - 175
Flamer Support, Art + Melta on Sarge - 230

Heavy Support-
10 Grave Wardens, 2 Chainfist, Spartan (shield and AC) - 690
2 x Vindicator, Dozer - 250
Sicaran Venator, Dozer - 195

>>51866197
Forgot to put Rhino in with the Flamer squad.

>>51866130
Probably.

>>51866127
So basically, fuck Sisters of Silence. Seems balanced, then. Go nuts, and make sure to make a HQ with that and the EarthBreaker Trident just for maximum theme points.

>>51865868
Finally! My body is ready! I want to play this list so bad. /HHG thank you so much. FUCK LOYALISTS

3000 Points
"/HHG Anon Unbound: Hyperbolic Time Chamber Edition"
Model Count: 85

Mastodon Heavy Transport - 745
Super-Heavy Command Tank, 4 Hunter-Killers
17 Tactical Marines - 225
Chainaxes, No Bolters, Power Fist, Artificier Armour, Meltabomb
Forgelord /HHG-Anon - 135
Thunderhammer, Rad Grenades, Refractor Field, Cyber-Familiar
Kharn the Bloody - 190
Gorechild
Legion Apothecary - 65
Power Axe, Artificier Armour
19 Augmented Inductii - 240
Chainaxes, No Boltguns, Power Fist, Artificier Armour
Galhan Surlak 110

Spartan Assault Tank 325
Armoured Ceramite
20 Tactical Marines 255
Chainaxes, No Bolters, Power Fist, Artificier Armour, Meltabomb
Legion Apothecary - 65
Power Axe, Artificier Armour

Spartan Assault Tank - 325
Armoured Ceramite
20 Tactical Marines - 255
Chainaxes, No Bolters, Power Fist, Artificier Armour, Meltabomb
Legion Apothecary - 65
Power Axe, Artificier Armour

I don't care it's not MSU optimal penis, WAAC faggots can suck my anus. Now I'm going to headbutt a stranger and cook 12 rashers of bacon. See you at the ETERNITY GATE.

>>51866009
All doggos should be hanged.

>>51866304
Hope you have fun with it fella, that list looks horrible if someone didn't bring much anti-tank. Although if someone did you're pretty much screwed.

>>51866304
That looks fun, and feels much more thematic than trying to shoehorn your units into a mix of tanks/fliers/pods. Have fun!

>>51866334
There's "bringing enough antitank" and then there's being able to stop two spartans and a mastodon in the 2/3 turns it takes them to reach your lines. I'm not sure most PUG lists reliably could do it, even tournament ones. Well, maybe 9-medusa reductor could, but fuck them.

>>51866304
Looks shiny, and will be hilarious when a billion guys pour out of the (probably two left) party buses on Turn 2.

I think my usual list could probably handle it, just because almost everything in it can hurt AV14, and one will almost certainly die because a bunch of angry Hoplites got dropped behind it, but that's the usual thing when fighting Mechanicum, since we don't really care what your Armour Values are, whether your Ceramite is Armoured or you've got a Flare Shield up on anything short of a Titan. Against the vast majority of Legion and Solar Aux/MaC lists I can see that doing just fine. At least you have the Skyreaper to kill Vulturax and Lightnings fairly easily, 5 S7 Twin-linked Interceptor shots will almost certainly render Strike fighters useless.

In the armored breakthrough rite of war does my warlord have to be a tank or could I take a regular praetor as my warlord?

>McNeil is STILL rustled about people ripping the piss out of him for 'punching the air'
m8 it's been like a decade or something, let it go

Oh and what's the David Gemmell homage in this one?
*rolls dice*
A planet reversing it's magnetic poles! Well, despite that being the set up for every setting in Gemmell, to be fair, we haven't seen it from you before Graham.

Now to read about Perturabo being the simply the bestest ever Primarch who ever lived in my book about Magnus.

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It is finished. Now on to paint this one up very much, but not quite like the rest of my ALfags.

Took 5 evenings, end result is not quite what I had in mind (that would only have been possible with professional tools and a degree in arts ... neither of which I have) but for only the 2nd time doing any serious sculpting I'd say it looks acceptable.

>>51866864
That looks pretty good, I'm looking forward to seeing it painted.

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>>51866864
And a shot from the back.

Hopefully it shows at least a little bit that I used John Blance's artwork as inspiration.

>>51866304
Do you have the models? Pics?

>>51866697
You can take a Praetor. Wording says "*may* be taken" regarding a tank as an HQ.

>>51866304
really cool and thematic, but apotecharies can only take powerswords, not axes.

>>51866864
wheres the helmet from?

For those wondering about heads in dreadnoughts this is from Betrayer about a contemptor pattern dreadnought
>‘We fashion them with heads,’ Vel-Kheredar was saying, ‘to focus their awareness forwards. It helps create an impression within the corpse’s neurological sensory input/output that it is still alive, for it sees just as it saw in life: from a human perspective. Taller, though. Oh, yes. Much taller.’

>>51867044
Scarab Occult terminators - snake on top is from some lizardmen kit, not sure which but probably the ankylosaurus looking one.

>>51867092
>referring to the marine inside as a "corpse" while right in front of the dreadnought
I love how the mechanicum just doesn't give a fuck.

>>51867106
That's what turning into a toaster does to you ; you no longer care about what it is you roast, only that you do.

>>51866864
>>51866884
Way better than anything I could ever do. Looks good bruh, you've done us proud.

>>51867106
Yes, in this scene Lhorke, the dreadnought, >>51867106
is reaaally pissed off

Somebody convince me to not invest in a small MkII armor themed Space Woofs army. I've already dropped plenty on an all FW AL army and I just got two Predators with conversion beams.

>>51867164
Think of all the hair you'd have to vacuum every time the yiffs shed their fur.

>>51867164
Why wouldn't you want to play as the Emperor's Executioners, and the sons of the only loyalist Primarch to get as many kills as Fulgrim?

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>>51867207
>as many kills as Fulgrim
You mean one?

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>>51867207
>many kills as Fulgrim?
It's more now

>>51867230
>>51867239
Dead but ressurected and on life support.
Stli coun as kill and can be killed again.

>>51867263
>those are some nice goalposts you have there
>it would be a...shame if someone were to move them
Friendly reminder that Pertuarbo has as many primarch kills as Fulgrim, having killed Fulgrim's mortal body.

>>51867340
That's 1. Who was the second?

>>51867382
Fulgrim only has one you hilarious individual. He didn't kill Guilliman.

How much black is acceptable in a blood Angel colour scheme?

>>51867406
Bolter and shoulderpad's edges

Would Deathsworn look better in MkIII or V? III has the heavy frontal assault look to it, but V has more of a "fuck it, you're too far gone by now, here's some crap to wear and an axe, get chopping, boy."

>>51867432
>>51867406

Also on destroyers and Moritats

>>51866955
Nope. Probably cost a couple thousand to buy it all. I'll buy the Forgelord and the WE shoulder pads at the end of the month.

If put down 120 foot slogging marines with bolters how viable would it?

>>51867585
Keep us updated! The army will look glorious together

>>51867625
*Unzips Typhon*

Are you ready to ride the ironfire anon?

>>51866864
A few more rations and he'd be chubby like Perty.

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>>51867793
Nothing personnel, kid.

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>Abnett will write the HH finale

Oh boy. Prepare for some new busht out of nowhere. From past experiences I would have preferred Wraight.

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>>51867092
That Souce Code movie, where the corpse imagined himself as a man in a cold, twisted cockpit due to the lack of sensory input, was also nice.
But dreadnoughts do have autosenses, so it'd be inaccurate.

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tfw u desperately want to write a word bearer novel but you're such a mess you can only seethe about wanting to

also my purple prose is a beast I have trouble constraining

>>51867793
But how will you kill all those marines if they're hidden in stinky poison smoke?

>>51867951
By Ignoring Cover.

>>51867981
And Armor Saves

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>>51867981
Yeah... that would probably do it.

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>>51867899
Cabal fuck yea.

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>>51867918
How bad could it be, Word Bear boy? Hit us with your best shot.

>>51867899
>the last book in HH will have a horrible rushed ending

>>51867899
I have too many images perfect for this. I can't just pic just one.

>>51867918
Tfw when you want to write anything 30k but you can't ever write more than 20 pages before it falls apart.

I just want to write about AL and NL one upping each other with how sinister and spooky they can get.

>>51868008
Fleet of traitors arived above terra ...

And then Emperor will destroy Horus with he doesn't love. Then Emperor will stab himself with talon of horus and say "For the Emperor!"

>>51866328
Found the Thousand Sons player

>>51867899
Now that he's back writing for BL, the finale should be King's.

>>51868165
>Found the every legion except SW player

>>51868582
Everyone loves the Space Wolves though, they're so proud, noble and undyingly loyal.

>>51865868
Angelus scans when?

A quick thought for mechanicum players (and those taking allied mechanicum): if you're taking a magos prime, consider the malagra as a unit buff-giver, giving preferred enemy to their unit against a lot of stuff:
>if one model in unit has PE, entire unit gets it
>if one model in target unit is of type PE activates against, all attacks against that unit get the PE rerolls (this is why raven guard's decapitation strike got nastier since the last FAQ)
>Malagra has Preferred Enemy (Characters)
>almost every non-vehicle unit in a legions astartes or militia army contains a Character (the sergeant, or equivalent)
>therefore, a unit containing a Malagra will get PE against a large amount of a LA/militia army

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>>51868611
Fuck yiffs and their players. I'll rather see homebrew 2nd and 11th legions on the table than those fucks.

>>51868635
Hello not Bjorn

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>>51868672
Quit looking at the camera and go fight Magnus.

Then, show up for Terra if you are so fucking loyal.

>>51868655
Nigga, that's Geiger the Rad-hand. The greatest of all the VIth's destroyers and a legend in his own time!

>>51868636
But the Vlka Fenryka are basically the paragon of Astartes, and something all Space Marines should aspire to.

>>51868703
>drunk
>smelly
>fetchy
>hairy
>furry
>hypocrite
>poser
>fluff written by Phil Kelly

Nah, I pass.

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Diorama WIP

>>51868736
You forgot
>too stupid to wear their helmets

>>51864768
Continuing discussion chain.

I feel that's fair criticism, and the suggested rules actually work quite well in practice. I'll go see about putting together a profile sheet

>>51868774
If the Emperor had meant Astartes to wear helmets he wouldn't have designed them to spit acid.

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>mfw this thread

>>51868703
Well, I prefer Ultramarines above them, and I don't like ultrasmurfs.

>>51868819
Ok, let's try to bring it back to the track.

>Destroyer Squads, Moritat, Cerberus, Tarantula, Reconnaissance Squads

What else should I add to the worst units list in 30k?

>>51868813
>They shall be my finest warriors, these men who give of themselves to me. Like clay I shall mould them, and in the furnace of war forge them. They will be of iron will and steely muscle. In great armour shall I clad them and with the mightiest guns will they be armed. They will be untouched by plague or disease, no sickness will blight them. They will have tactics, strategies and machines so that no foe can best them in battle. They are my bulwark against the Terror. They are the Defenders of Humanity. They are my Space Marines and they shall know no fear.
>Except actual space, my SPACE marines fear that because I designed them not to wear helmets

>>51868843
Dakka predator? Boxnought?

>>51868813
It's more a last resort thing, not an actual weapon.
Just like the sus-as membran is not something meant to be used whenever wherever.

>>51868843
Non-scorpius whirlwind. It's not only not a scorpius, it also takes up the 0-1 slot for other artillery.

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>>51868774
>tfw to intelligent for helmets

>>51868858
>Boxnought
Dunno... for 145p you have 2 Volkite Culverins

>>51868900
Or DCCW + flamestorm in a pod.

>>51868858
>>51868900
The mortis variant isn't bad either, nice cheap AA, and you can throw a pair of HK missiles on top for when you want to Interceptor something.

>>51868819
Wanna talk about crunch or do you wanna bash some other grouping of chucklefucks for their role in the fluff? I'm fine with doing some trash-talking right about now.

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>>51868867
Next you'll tell me the Catalepsean Node isn't meant to be used for 6 straight weeks and we're not supposed to eat tree bark.

>>51868900
165pts. gets you 2 TL Volkite Culverins on a platform with AV13 front and 5++.

>>51868761
Where are people getting that UM left arm and sword from?

>>51868937
My Primarch beats your Primarch.

>>51868961
My primarch could beat up your primarch AND his elite guard.

And he'll be sexy doing it.

>>51868843
Toss on the Domitar, it would be decent if it wasn't absurdly overcosted. Also probably the Magos Prime Lacarymaerta and Malagra, Preferred Enemy or not. Admech doesn't want for Elite slots or particularly need fortifications, robots don't need cover and Reductor arty is all PotMS and needs to be up and forward to shoot and score. Also you want your Magi out of duels and buffing most times, you want to win fights take an Arlatax and tell it to go nuts.

>>51868943
How? The Cortus can exchange 1 arm for the Culverin, not both. Unless I'm not reading it right.

>>51868944
Sternguard kit.

>>51868978
Fulgrim or Sanguinius?

>>51867464
>here's some crap to wear
>artificer armour
I'd go with mk3.

>>51869020
Perturabo

>>51869035
>got rekt in melee by Draigo

>>51868984
I wish the domitar had a cyclone missile launcher at least. It still wouldn't be great, but it could help out with a little bit of shooting as it stomps up the table.

>>51869049
That was Mortarion.
Pertu is still jacking off on Medrengard

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Whats going on in your hobby corner

>>51869020
San-Sanguinius

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>>51868843
>Moritats tacticoolness doesn't really git with the IW

Kill me. I fucking love those models. And they're shit not on top of that. Why can't a middle ground be found between OP and shit?

>>51868819
You do realise that's it's more than likely non-players, that just read the fluff, don't even paint and end up shitposting because that's all they can do, prenteding to defend one side or the other, like consolewars threads on /v/, right?
And the other side pretending to be triggered, which turns the whole thing on its head and is just meaningless.

>>51867999
http://pastebin.com/EVejPkq7

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>>51869030
Nothing says MkV can't be AA quality. Just throw on more extra plates. They'll use their 'tard strength to carry the weight.

>>51868784
No problem, I enjoy homebrew loads but many attempts turn into extremes due to the creator being afraid of being OP so makes it 50% more expensive than it need to be or they think their awesome character needs to be on the table so you end up with something approaching 5th ed Draigo for 180 points.

>>51869096
You're that guy who posted fluff about his Word Bearers before aren't you? Let me take a look at this.
>a few minutes better
I like it more than the last BL book I read, and that was MoM.

>>51867820
Well he is T6 despite being marginally larger than a bog standard for a reason

>>51869164
>I like it more than the last BL book I read, and that was MoM

Let's be honest, that's not a really high bar :^)

are vexillas worth it for tac/vets?

>>51868761
Looks great, but that Volkite is way too big. Also there's superglue marks under the paint, on the back of the axe.

>>51869178
I'm being honest even though I feel as if it is insulting to Anon. The purple prose may have been a wee bit overdone, but I enjoyed it.

>>51869188
It's better on larger units, with 10 man or fewer there's often hardly a unit left anyway if you get to the morale check.

>>51869193
>Volkite is way too big

That's what she said

>>51868843
>Destroyer Squads
Drop their additional points to 15 each and make jump packs 50 for the squad. Let 1 in 5 take power weapons at the relevant price.

>Moritat
Remove chain fire overheat.

Done.

>>51869228
thanks, not a fan of the style so I'll omit them.

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>>51869205
thanks lad. I've got to clamp down on the PP, maybe then I can finally render Aurelian's sons in the beauty they deserve ;_;7

>>51869251
For a Word Bear you're not half bad. Keep up the good work. Now I have some writefaggotry to attend.

>>51868998
If it can only have one, why does the Heavy Conversion Beamer say you can only have one? Surely that's redundant if only one arm can be replaced.

>>51865868
>scanon graced us
Post proofs?

>>51869290
Just check the previous thread you lazy shit, it's literally linked in the OP.

What would be a nice name for a company that mostly has tactical marines? I mean stuff like

Siege Assault Company for terminators/breachers etc.

>>51869310
Green mile company

Phospexbait company

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>>51869326
>Phospexbait company

it's not very effective

>>51869288
"Any Contemptor-Cortus pattern Dreadnought in the Talon mayreplace their twin-linked heavy bolter [b]or[/b] its Dreadnought close combat weapon and bolter with one of the following:"

For me, this looks like you can exchange one arm for the volkite, not both

>>51869310
Line.

>>51869363
>Heavy conversion beamer (one only)........+35 points each

So why this?

>inb4 shitty copy-pasta job

Regular Contemptor doesn't have that text, because they have their own list of options for both arms, not one list. So it must have been added with the intention that someone can't take two.

>>51869431
I concede that your interpretation seems to be correct. English isn't my first language.

Thanks.

>>51869459
Not even the Queen could decipher FW's writing.

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>>51869089
IW can definitely be tacticool

The IW on the front cover of angel exterminatus look pretty tacticool with their scopes and pouches and shit, I always imagined that IW veterans were tacticool as fuck, having survived the absolute meatgrinder that is the IV.

>>51869483
Indeed, FW rules can be pretty bad for shitty loopholes.
>contemptor comes stock with TL heavy bolter and dreadnought CCW
>swapping the TL heavy bolter for a dreadnought CCW gains it an attack
>swapping the dreadnought CCW for a TL heavy bolter does *not* lose it an attack
>therefore if you swap both arms you have the same loadout as before, but +1 attack

Does anyone here use the black Reaving rite of war? The deep strike bonus for Justaerindo seems kinda meh, do you think/would you have a problem if someone house rules it that all terminator armor equiped models may deep strike?

>>51869593
Remember when some guy argued that blood angels dreads could get a kheres with an underslung iliastus?

>>51869593
Can you keep swapping them back and forth for infinite attacks?
>>51869650
Oh yeah.

>>51869593
Erebus and Layak can take Daemons as Allies, but nowhere does it tell you what type of Allies they are. So how do I treat them? Kor Phaeron and the Dark Brethren RoW does give you that info, but Erebus and Layak doesn't.

>>51869645
Yeah I'd have a problem. Rites of war add benefits and restrictions, you don't get to ignore the ones you don't like/add new ones because of reasons.

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Any news on a proper scan of Inferno? I'd love to read the background stuff.

>>51869645
What you want is called orbital assault.
>>51869696
Thou Shalt Not Harry The Scanon.

>>51869663
Yeah just assume what applies for dark brethren and Kor Phaeron applies to the others.

>>51869736
But they have different levels. Battle Brothers for one and Fellow Warriors for the other.

Yay!

>>51869593
That's not how that works. You don't retain the effects of things you swap out

>>51869768
But the thing is, replacing the TL HB for a fist says this gives the model an extra attack, not that it gets an extra attack for having two fists. Meanwhile nothing says that the dread loses an attack for replacing its original fist with a gun.

>>51869747
Haha bugger. Flip a coin then?

>>51869310
Battle/Line Company. Depends on the legion though

>>51869855
Gaining the attack was the condition of getting the fist. You lost the fist so you lose everything you gained by getting the fist

>>51869681
I've always felt that The Black Reaving was pretty restrictive as is, I know we're your coming from in terms of bonuses and restrictions, I've just felt that The Black Reaving has always been a bit weak

>>51869704
Already have an Orbital Assault army in the works, was just trying to expand it to other avenues/get reaver troops without maloghurst

One that note though, in terms of balance, should terminator armor equiped characters also be allowed to deepstrike in addition to Justaerin? I only prompt this because the restrictions it has seem fluffy yet somewhat harsh yet wouldn't it make sense for a SoH speartip to have its commander leading the assault from the front?

>>51869883
But you didn't lose the fist. You exchanged the other fist for a gun. The fist which has no claims of an extra attack associated with it.

>>51869872
I'm thinking of just gathering a pile of questions and correction requests I have, and just emailing them from every email address I have every day until I get something. I've sent a few emails so far, but no response from FW at all. There aren't difficult questions to answer either, just little clarifications about wording or possible missing options/rules, like with Erebus and Layak.

What is the title for a DG company captain (not great company but a regular company)?

>>51870085
Company Captain?

>>51869908
Just realized my Grammer, fucking phone posting

>>51870085
We mostly only know great company names to be honest. Just make one up yourself maybe?

>>51870085
Force Commander.

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>>51870213
What rank is Marshal? Chapter Master equivalent?

>>51870241
Another word for Lord Commander or Legion Master

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>>51869076
Mk III best Mk

>>51869076
Tried to fix a thunderhammer terminator whose arm I found impossible to attach. I have the arm itself on now, but if the shoulderpad continues to resist, I'll be able to fix it with greenstuff.

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I'm going to make a cataphractii HQ character using this grumpy head and armed with a power maul. I can't decide whether to use him as a chaplain, a champion or make him my praetor and use my current praetor model as a champion (this is important because I'm writing fluff for my army). Legion is Death Guard.

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Is it just me, or are Spartans kind of overrated sometimes? I mean, I play Mechanicum, so I have anti-AV14 bursting out of every metallic orifice (Two min Thallax units with Photon Thrusters and Destructor do 1.6 HP to naked AV14), but the Solar Aux and Miltia have arty for days and the numbers to tarpit those, and Legions have some artillery, Lightning Fighters and sometimes Lascannon Hsupps. Seems like it's asking for one lucky Thallax to immobilize it.

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Did service studs exist in 30k? If they do, was there some code for their colours? I seem to remember something that golden studs were 1 per 100 years of service or something.

>>51869976
You lost it because you exchanged it. English motherfucker. You don't add weapons when you exchange, you swap it out completely as if the original didn't exist.

>>51870547
Name me a better death star or blob transport for similar cost. Spartan has no competitions

>>51870547
5HP AV14 all around with AC and Flare Shields. YEs, you can drop one if you really dedicate to it, but you can take everything out if you really dedicate to it. Question is, how do you know beforehand what to dedicate to?

It's not the tank itself that's the problem, it's the tank in combination with what it transports. Rhinos and regular LR only transport 10 dudes. It's easy enough to deal with your blobs. But when it's up to 25 dudes... What other mass transports of equal quality do you have?

Why SoS transporter look like giant anti grav dildo?

>>51870642
To dominate neckbeards with.

>>51870602
Kharybdis. Arrives where needed, lacks the added value of being a gunny tank, but whatever

>>51870642
It doesn't to the rest of us. I think your subconscious may be telling you something, anon.

>>51869125
Mark 5 artificer armour needn't necessarily be a crude Mk3-style "throw plates on it" job, or a "gold plated piece of shit", though those are fine fluff-wise if that's the kind of Mk5 you want for your dudes.
Mark 5 artificer could be a rare design by a Forge World that gets devastated by the war or that is too expensive/uses heretical technology for the post-heresy Imperium to use.

>>51870547
>naked AV14
It's the flare shield that's the real game-changer. If it was just a buffed land raider, we might actually see MSU land-raider termies more. (Though even then, not having the ability to throw a character in is a big downside to 30k landraiders.)

>>51870547
Oh they totally are. The local meta here even has evolved beyond taking things to wreck a spartan asap : people just have a cheap unit like tacticals, usually in rhino, run in the way of it constantly untill the occupants charge it. The charged unit dies obviously, but then the entire gunline just opens up on that deathstar now pretty much caught with their pants down.

That's not to say people skipped on any anti-vehicle weaponry, in fact it means that the often large amount of points spend on unit(s) to take out a spartan are now invested in spammable anti-vehicle units.

>Magnus sacrifices twenty something of his sons to stop the fall of starship and save refuges
>orders genocide of all refuges so Shaitan can't leave Morningstar
>brings him to Prospero himself

Daily reminder that Fagnus did everything wrong and Russ was right to break the little nerd.

>>51870642
Because someone at FW really really dislikes Rhinos and their Advancer/Grav variants.

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>>51870662
Oh realy?

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>>51870676
Everybody here knew that, you don't have to remind us.

>>51870665
>not having the ability to throw a character in is a big downside to landraiders

I am so upset over this. The model even has 12 seats in its interior ffs, pull your heads out of your arse GW and FW, and take a proper look at the actual model. The drop pod got tuned down from 12 to 10 because it only had 10 seats on the physical model, what is so different about the Land Raider ? Don't you want to sell it or something ?

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>>51870573
Yes, English.

>>51870676
>BL making characters look retarded

More news at eleven.

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>>51870676

>>51870731
>one dice
>[Cult of Grammar intensifies]

>>51870731
>maintain eye contact with your opponent while rolling - don't look at your dice and then declare: "Ah, another successful casting roll!"
Why can't actual GW publications take things this seriously?

>>51870602
Yeah, it's very good at carting around unnecessary numbers of Terminators, but do you really need one for every Tactical Squad when you're not playing World Eaters? Most people manage fine with Rhinos or nothing.
I do see your point, I just feel that you could probably take a Kharybidis and do the same job faster, and then have enough spare points to buy more helpful guns elsewhere.

>>51870665

Yeah, they do dramatically worse against the Flare because the Lance guns can't glance anymore, but it's not too hard to maneuver tough Jet Infantry around it, barrage ignores it, melee doesn't give a fuck and if your Lightning is shooting it it won't care much and blow it to pieces anyway.

>>51870669

Hey, there's a nice trick I might try. Obviously lack convenient boxes to dangle in front of one, but I suspect some Vorax can do a similar job, or a Triaros if I ever get one. If the Vorax are left alone they can always run up and smack it a bit, too.

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>>51870676
>>51870765
Have the appropriate image.

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>FW event only Ixion Hale
>Selling for $120
>FUCK THAT
>Literally just now find a Chinacast one for $30 that looks amazing

Ok serious question. Why do some people not like Chinacast for some stuff?

>>51870676
Can McNeil just...leave? Everything he's touched in the last 6 years has been absolute shit.

French did such a better job making Magnus interesting.

>>51870855
What's with so many people just copypasting stuff from one thread to the next?

>>51870884
Dunno. That's my original post someone copied.

>>51870855
>Why do some people not like Chinacast for some stuff?
Some people were raised to dislike stealing and counterfeited items.

Doesn't mean we like GW/FW's business decisions/pricing plans.

>>51870746
Because you fucking lose the fist when you take something over the fist you fucking retarded imbecile

>>51870865
>Magnus can read the mind of everyone with pitiful ease
>fails to see that guy he just saved, inspected and healed is leader of crazy cult guys
>can see the future with amazing clarity
>fails to see half of population going full Akbar on his legion and eats lascannon to the face for his trouble

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Has anyone this transfersheet and can provide a 300dpi scan, so I can print it for myself?

Can't find IT anywhere...

>>51870918
But you're not losing the fist. You take the fist that gives you +1 attack and trade the fist that doesn't for a gun. It's all according to RAW. You can sperg all you want, but that doesn't change the rules.

>>51870918
But there is no rule nowhere that walkers lose another attack when they exchange or lose their single CCW. There is only a rule that each CCW a walker has beyond the first adds another attack, which is lost alongside the CCW in case of weapon destroyed etc. But that is only for the CCW that aren't the first or last one.

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>>51870570
Sure. Here is a blueberry dude with studs from Visions of Heresy

>>51871067
The rules for walkers and how multiple CCW work for them in the main rulebook still prevent that. The part FW put between the ( ) is only for clarification you numbskull.

Remember that there is no such thing as 'timing' upgrades : you only look at the end result. You also can't upgrade a marine to carry a heavy weapon and upgrade him to a sergant after that, because the end result would be a sergant with wargear that is not listed as one of his options, and therefor illigal

>>51871070
The additional attack was granted because you got the fist. If you exchangethe fist out, you get nothing out of the fist because the fist is not there. You don't exchange your bolt pistol with a plasma pistol and then start shooting with the bolt pistol.

>>51870676
Source on this?

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Mfw I prime my minis but you end up with a flawed priming coat and it looks tits up.

I just wanted to prepare some Night Lords for tomorrows painting sesh, fuck.

>>51866049
>the new Titan Guard are cool and surprisingly well balanced
They aren't remotely balanced.

>>51871199
Get krud cutter and let them soak for a day-ish. Shit sloughs off like crazy. Prime again.

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>>51870746
>>51870918
Not either of you, and haven't been following fully, but is the dispute not actually about getting two volkites on a dread while somehow keeping +1 attack? >>51869593

Unless someone from FW had a brain injury and FAQ'd this into existence, I think that view fails the smell test.

You swap the items of your starting wargear for the options that are provided for each wargear, ie: you can't select a weapon option after you've already selected a weapon option.
In essence, you're swapping your TL Heavy Bolter for a Volkite no matter how you cut it, the anon who thinks he can add another step to gain the benefits of having replaced it with a CCW is using bad logic to stretch the meaning of "replace" in ways that aren't normally (if at all) permitted or included in warhammer rules.

>>51867899
"I was there, the day Horus killed the Emperor."

>>51871202
Well, there's a couple typos and such, but they look like serviceable medium infantry with decent ranged dakka and buffing potential? Where's the imbalance? I mean, Hoplites are good at shredding armour and Peltasts are good at shredding infantry, but those are their jobs?

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>>51870980
>those eyes with the round pupil

>>51867899
That's just ADB's expectation. I mean, it's everyone's, really - Dan Abnett is the most prominent of BL's authors. But that doesn't mean it'll be him..

>>51871232
Thanks for the tip, yeah I guess I'll do that.

>>51871246
>Units with enough haywire to oneshot any titan
>'balanced'

>>51868843
Recon squads.

>>51871295
Aren't titans immune to haywire.

>>51871295
Can't hurt Titans at all, they're all immune to it. They can't really hurt infantry with +1S bolt pistols.
That's their thing, they're very good at it. It's basically an Admech Podicide unit, just better at that job and not as versatile. I mean, it kills Spartans and Raiders dead, but Secutor drops and Vulturax already did that, this just does it faster and more reliably at the cost of other abilities.

>>51871311
Last entry.

>>51871311
>hey what unit should I add to list that includes reconnaissance squads
>how about recon squads lol

>>51871120
>The part FW put between the ( ) is only for clarification you numbskull.

Then they should have put "gives +1 attack in conjunction with the existing fist", because right now the wording doesn't mention the other fist in any way and the +1 attack is purely the result of the model having that fist that replaces the TL HBs.

>Remember that there is no such thing as 'timing' upgrades

What does that have to do with anything? The +1 attack given by the fist has no bearing on whether or not the other fist exists, as per the rules in the book.

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>>51871284
Abnett shouldn't write heresy books.
If you ask why, one word CABAL.

>>51871337
They're that bad.

Which is really sad since I want sneaky TS army with Amon

>>51871344
>the final confrontation between Emps and Horus will have more dialogue between Pious and his entourage than Emps/Horus combined

>>51870676
>Lion was right all along
Disregard Psykers, sanction cyclopes.

>>51871236
Also, who would play someone that claims to have the +1A when the dread has just 1 melee weapon?

>>51870570
Silver at 50 gold at 100

>>51871320
>>51871330

I always forget that FW has extra rules for imperial titans to make them even more of a headeache to deal with.

>>51871236
>but is the dispute not actually about getting two volkites on a dread while somehow keeping +1 attack? >>51869593

No, the dispute is about replacing the starting wargear TL HB for a power fist (thus gaining +1 attack as per the rules in the codex) and replacing the starting wargear power fist with a gun (no mention of losing an attack). You still got a fist and a gun, you just gain an attack, as per the rules, for the fist you replaced your HB with while you don't lose an attack for replacing your existing fist with a gun.

FW could have just said that the second fist gives the dread +1 attack with the fist it already had, but they elected to just have the fist itself give +1 attack regardless of whether or not you keep the original starting power fist.

>>51870855
>Event Exclusive

Wait really? Fuck, I was waiting until this comes out so I can get it together with a bunch of other FW stuff...

How does one find Chinaman?

>>51870746
Stop being ridiculous

>>51871377
I think in the example he was arguing that the dread would have NO melee weapon while claiming the bonus for having 2.

>>51871344
>If you ask why, one word CABAL.
>tfw this is all the editors fault
Abnett went into the pre-Legion meeting with a list of crazy ideas assuming the editors would shoot down a bunch of them, leaving him with a core group of quality Alpha memes.

Instead they looked at the list and said "do all of this."

>>51871379
So it would be kosher to have a two golden stud praetor with some thunderbolts to signify that he's a Unification War veteran?

>>51870884
Of course it would be the Chinaman fans doing the copying.

Though I think it's perfectly justifiable for event-only items.

>>51871423
FW should not have but the part between ( ) there in the first place, as it is perfectly covered by the main rulebook.

Sometimes I wonder when the last time was the rules team at FW actually saw the 7th edition rulebook. With their Scout and Outflank too on recon squads, bonus to 'Sweeping Advance Distance', being forced to sweeping advance as a drawback, giving artillery units two different unit types ...

>>51871481
Kek.

So now that dust has settled, what's your thoughts on

>Yiffs
>Tsons
>Bananas
>SoS
>Titanguard

How strong they are? How cool do they look? How interesting do they play?

>>51871527
titan guard look like fun, minus the karacnos which is fucking useless
i'm working an axiarch and 40 peltasts into a reductor force and i think they'll be both fun and useful on the tabletop

>>51871527
>So now that dust has settled
One post that begins with this nearly every thread, all it does is kick up more dust.

>>51870980
Send me the sheet and I'll scan it for you and send the scans. You will also never see your sheet again.

>>51871439
>editors
Back then Alan Merrett was the only voice that mattered.

>>51871527

>Yiffs
Russ and Grey Slayers are undercosted. The rest are fine.
>Tsons
Way OP/undercosted other than the Ammitara scout dudes.
>Bananas
Also very undercosted other than the heavy support dudes.
>SoS
Dark Eldar-like in their fragility, but they have enough offensive power to be balanced.
>Titanguard
A little OP.

>>51871566
Sheet dude.

>>51871513
Nah, give them a break, they're too busy not editing out tourists from their photos.

>>51871577
>>51871566
>>51871555
>>51871522
look at these fucking G E T S
this has to be the work of heretic witches

>>51871527
Magnus can be broken pretty easily, sekhmet are a little cheap. Shield captain with shield is cancer.

That's about it really for the broken stuff. Everything else is pretty damn fluffy and useful. Russ is too strong IMO, but he isn't game breaking.

>>51871284
Every single recent book from Abnett has been a trainwreck. Hell, he hasn't written a 40k book in years, only HH. We've been waiting for The Warmaster for years for fuck's sake.

Really, he should just stop writing for the HH altogether, and stay catered to one off, selfcontained books.

>>51871439
I wish they had been equally imaginative with any of the loyalist legions. Other than DA, they're all the same as in 40k.

>>51871581
Grey Slayers aren't undercosted, just there weapon options.
TSons are fine.
Custodes are fine, other than shield captains and those 3W dudes.

>>51871439
I'll bet you whatever you want that Goulding is an Abnett fanboy like ADB, conqodering he suck's ADB's cock like there's no tomorrow as well.

Abnett comes and spout crazy ideas, Goulding digts it because Abnett is his god at this point, and single handedly fucks up the Heresy more than anyone else.

>>51871594
>Russ is too strong

I honestly don't think so. He gives minimal benefits to his army(and unlike Magnus, those are actually minimal) and you can just shoot him to death.

Yes, he can murder everything in duel, but most of things he is "OP" against are the kind of fighters that get tied down for the entire game anyway.

But yeah, Magnus with Sekhmets is just brutal. Even if we ignore Invisibility, killing 2+/3++ 2w dudes gets that much harder with Endurance and that -1 to hit, assuming that Magnus wasn't a count and rolled for a Nova instead.

>>51871527
The yiffs and sons have interesting lists but both are prohibitive due to special rules. Neither will perform very well in kill teams or -1000 point games which is a shame since half the missions are low points.

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>>51871423
I see where you're coming from now.

However, there's a point that's overlooked in this: a dreadnought that has "swapped" their TL bolter for the +1A CCW, while having swapped their basic CCW for a ranged weapon, is not any different than a dreadnought that has swapped the TL bolter for a different ranged weapon.

Else this +1A would apply to every Contemptor dreadnought and the option wouldn't be there. And even if the rule held true, having two melee weapons would by the BRB give the dread an extra +1A then, so this interpretation of RAW only means that a CCW+Gun dread has 4 attacks while a ranged one has only 3, something that would be stated if that was actually the case, so this whole rules-lawyering tack is barking up the wrong tree.

Quick rundown:
>Dread starts with CCW and TL Heavy Bolter
>You can swap your STARTING TL-Heavy Bolter for a CCW which gives you an extra attack
>You say you can swap the STARTING CCW for a gun, "swap" the TL HB for the CCW which says taking it gives +1A, and then claim that you gain the bonus.
>But you can't because you are not actually swapping the CCW the dreadnought starts with, because the dreadnought never has the item of wargear that it starts with replaced with anything different. In other words, your one-CCW dreadnought has the CCW he started with, not one that was "replaced", because no "replacement" took place.

>>51871691
>Neither will perform very well in kill teams or -1000 point games which is a shame since half the missions are low points.
I can't speak for Wolves, but TSons are surprisingly efficient in low points since they get to get more out of those d6 bonus charges.

>>51871581
SW:
Decent, they're faster and less directly choppy World Eaters. Russ' armour is a little OP because it cripples everything near him, not just his challenge opponent (although he can be shot up fairly easily) and they have rather too many power weapons for Troops choices, everything else is fine.
Russ does also have fairly pitiful DPS for a melee Primarch, he wins every duel very slowly because of the armour. Can't outdamage Morty sometimes.

1Ksons:

Psychic bullshit, what did you expect? Magnus is OP as hell, Sekhmets will be a real pain, everything else is decent.

Custodian Guard:
Rather too cheap for what you get, but vulnerable to a great many things and very specialised to beating other elites faces in melee. Legions have trouble if their lists are too elite and based around popping other Marines, anyone else is just fine.

Sisters:
Niche, and largely unremarkable. Mostly significant because Ksons may now up the amount of pysker bullshit because "Just ally in Sisters".

Titan Guard:
Shiny, fluffy, very powerful in places. New tank is awesome-looking but sadly very shit. Hoplites good for making Spartans sad, Peltasts are superb line infantry and Axiarch FnP buff + Titan makes them supremely durable, approaching Terminator levels of tankiness against small arms. May be a bit OP at large games where they can have 60 Peltasts like that and two Hoplite squads in Arvus if there's a Warhound about, regular games they'll probably be fine.

>>51871652
Legion was written before Goulding joined GW.

>>51871729
really depends on what you get out of it and it's not always that critical, whereas it's hard to pull together an efficiently costed list that has all the bells and whistles for objective play. I doubt FW really intend the release to cater to low costed games overmuch, the main units are mostly viable in 1500+ same for the rites.

>>51871674
The only problem with Russ is his armour, it's just like FW made it out of fossilised bullshit glued together with skub.

So, when does Inferno come out?

Which BL-Heresy fluff you guys don't like the most?

I can't decide between pepetuals and big E begging Chaos Gods for power

>>51871830
Still better than his old model.

I wonder, how mad would people get if I fielded the original old ass Russ with his wolves with the current rules?

>>51871920
I meant the rules. I like the model, it's nordic and has high, but not retarded, amounts of wolves.

>>51871910
Anything that closes off popular fan theories/reduces the flavour and potential for unique "your dudes" settings within the overall setting.
If I wanted a precisely mapped-out sterile universe, and not a flavourful one with intriguing contradictions and no clear answer, I'd read Star Wars Legends, not HH/40k.

>>51871599
The reason for this is for a solid two year period, everything 40k HAD to be tied to a specific product, or at least make overt references to it AND had to hit a deadline so it would release in close proximity to the specific product. Abnett told them to fuck off and went to do other stuff. Now that the old management is gone, things are back on track where authors have more freedom when it comes to 40k releases.

>>51871961
Sounded like you were talking shit about the spiky segmented look of his armour.

>>51871897
Friday

>>51871981
Nah m8.

>>51871981
Not if you look at the context of the post he was replying to, even though the language did sound like it was describing something physical.

Russ has "exothermic" armour that somehow makes the area around him less hot and bright, armour whose effect is to, for no reason, make enemies who last in combat against him be unable to hit him because apparently their joints are freezing up due to the cold that his exothermic armour is somehow radiating out.
It's not even very in-character either. Russ and the SW would look down on someone who used technology to prevent their enemies from fighting, they'd just concentrate on out-fighting the enemy. That's more something Perturabo or Mortarion would have.

>>51871782
Well shit I guess nobody had the balls to tell him how retarded his ideas were.

>>51871976
HH is in hindsight, they can't write anything without 'closing off' possible interpretations. They still keep the motivations and morals ambiguous and when they try to keep aspects of the established events serious people get upset and say they wanted horus heresy not side stories and so on. Like peopel complaining about Russ and Magnus's battle not getting a full description.

>>51871910
Perpetuals, Cabal, Big E being a dickhead, turbo atheist autist, Primarch being moody teenagers and Imperium Secundus.

>>51872118
If only Abnett had known about the Alpharius fastball, none of this would have ever happened.

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>>51872103
Maybe it's like Klingons using cloaking devices? If you're not expecting the enemy to cheat, you deserve everything you get.

>>51872126
>HH is in hindsight, they can't write anything without 'closing off' possible interpretations.
They can though, at least they should if they have any sense.
Not everything needs to be played at the highest level of influence all the time like a Star Wars novel. I'm not talking about NOT showing stuff the Primarchs and named characters did during the heresy, of course not, that's a false dichotomy. I'm talking about not giving us the Emperor's internal monologue during the whole of the Siege of Terra up until he gets put into the golden throne. Characters like the Emperor and things like Chaos are far more interesting when the audience has to engage with them on the same level as the trillions of people within the Imperium have to. Otherwise if we know DEFINITIVELY that Chaos is inherently bad, that the Imperial Truth was a ruse all along, that the Emperor isn't really a god, that the Mechanicum are simply the slaves of the Void Dragon who is definitely a C'Tan who fought with the Emperor, and so on, the question of motivations of people on the different sides become much less important and engrossing because we know where the actual truth lies in ways that they don't.

So anyone actually played a game with the Titan Guard yet? Was considering a couple units of 20 Peltasts to run with when I bring the StormWhale (Which is now on hold for a few weeks AGAIN because reasons :( ) since they, plus the Archmagos, the Axiarch and a few Myrmidons fill it to capacity neatly.

>>51871910
Those right there.

>>51872222
Nice digits.

>>51872159
It's not about the enemy not expecting him to cheat, it's about him having to use a cowardly tactic to avoid winning great melee battles. It doesn't really gel with a legion who are so dedicated to individual glory that organised squads are much less common than blobs of glory-hungry warriors who want to bash the enemy to pieces rather than use tactics.

>>51872248
Leman isn't massive braindead barbarian like most of his legion is, though.

>>51872248
So why aren't SW just a bunch of naked dudes fighting the enemy with their bare hands? Surely it's cowardly to hide in metal boxes and shoot at the enemy from afar. Russ should have executed every single faggot who came up with things like the Scorius or the Annihilator. Those are the tools of a coward!

>>51871428
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2017-Event-Model-Legio-Custodes-Tribune-Ixion-Hale-/252779381190?hash=item3adad341c6:g:ZEgAAOSw4CFYque4

I'm actually pretty happy with the way wolves worked out overall as an army. Theres some cool characterful units, Grey slayers are a cool twist, varangyr are literally THE deathstar unit and deathsworn are the combat unit i will probably never field.
Nothings stupid overpowered, its all themed, and I'm overall happy.

Then comes Russ, one of the most expensive primarchs to buy, for no reason, and one of the most stupidly stong primarchs. So thanks FW, for throwing your shit in the air and making it a pain in the dick to ever field my primarch between actually buying him and the shit ill get for fielding him.

>>51872290
Missing the point. It's not cowardly to fight to win, it's cowardly to fight in such a way that your enemy is prevented from fighting back.
If Russ is on board with that, he might as well be given the Hit-and-Run special rule.

>>51872317
>varangyr are literally THE deathstar unit

They are? I guess I'm missing something.

>deathsworn are the combat unit i will probably never field.

I think they're nice. Would like to make a unit, but have to find a way to make them a bit more special than just power axe dudes. Would love to make something like old wulfen.

>>51872277
Space wolves weren't braindead compared ot half the other legions, they were better prepared for any eventuality and anticipated the course of events to some extent. They also have some impressive tech in the Fang.

>>51872248
Magical weapons and armour is a major feature of norse myth, Vikings/Danes/Saxons weren't celts who went into battle naked and appreciated good craftsmanship and metalwork which is why most dwarfs get copy pasted as norse. Also it sort of fits Russ's character as always bringing the wrath of Fenris itself with him and it's like a test of hardiness for his opponents. He has to endure that cold as well.

>>51872355
>it's cowardly to fight in such a way that your enemy is prevented from fighting back.

That's what out ranging them or attacking them with artillery is, though.

>>51872405
>I think they're nice. Would like to make a unit, but have to find a way to make them a bit more special than just power axe dudes. Would love to make something like old wulfen.
Theyre kind of like the new wulfen with the hit after death ability. If the old wulfen werent in the wrong mk of armour Id be using them as deathsworn.

>>51872355
>it's cowardly to fight in such a way that your enemy is prevented from fighting back.

He's a snow nigger so it fits.

>>51872433
Are the Wolves known for that?

>>51868008
Aw but at least this gave me a kek and I'll get EPIC SUPER MADTER CRAFTED ARTIFICER SOLERITE POWER HEAVY ACTION ORDANANCE BOLTER porn

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>>51868761
Anon I masturbate to your models and this is how you reward me
although that chest UM sign gave me a boner again

>>51872445
They invented the Whirlwind Scorpius and the Predator Annihilator. They also got the Long Fangs in 40k, and the 30k Wolf Guard can give each member a reaper autocannon. They got ranged firepower at their disposal just fine.

>>51872248
No, Space Wolves are, as their name suggests, Pack-Animals. They are ferociously smart and work together to bring down much larger enemies. They aren't just a rabble of glory-hungry Vikings. The only ones to act like that are the Blood Claws, but that's because this is their very first battle, and even they understand the simple tactic of "Everyone pile on at once!"

>>51872558
Hard to imagine there's many things bigger than a space wolf other than Salamanders, obviously.

>>51872413
Well that maybe true, but unless thermodynamics reversed itself between now and M31 he'd be toasty warm in there if he's taking in enough heat to slow down his opponents from cold. Also not much of a test of hardiness when it affects anything up to and including his brothers and as far as I know a Warlord Titan. Maybe if it happened on a failed Strength test or reduced Initiative it would make more sense, throw in giving him actually decent combat skills too so he can actually fight of course. He does less damage in melee than Mortarion sometimes, that sword and axe are a bit pitiful.

Any leaks about the Rangdan?

>>51872440
Yeah, that's why I have to build them myself. Probably gonna use MkIII with the FW torsos, wulfen hands (convert hammers into axes) and find some 3rd party heads or helmets for them. Would love some wolf skull helmets, but nobody makes any. All the wolf head helmets I find look terrible, even the GW ones. Wulfen heads don't work that easily with Marine models, regular SW heads aren't bestial enough or look like hobos, and 3rd party ones are just plain werewolves.

Maybe I'll look into BA heads with some green stuffed facial hair. They got fangs and angry grins on them. Already got some to use on my Scouts.

>>51872591
Dreadnoughts and Megarachnids.

But, according to one of the old Codecies, a Space Wolves' Teeth are as strong as Adamantine. Working together, I am pretty sure that they could (literally) eat a dreadnought.

>>51872637
A friend of mine was talking about this a while ago. He told me that there was an old story of a Traitor-Guard in a Leman Russ shooting away into the Space Wolves lines, when it get's mobbed by Blood Claws. The crew aren't bothered by this, until they start hearing a crunching noise and they suddenly find that the Blood Claw's had given up on the Chainswords and were now eating their way inside, tearing great chunks of metal off with their bare teeth.

>>51872609
I can't recall hearing any fluff leaks at all, really.

>>51872619
What about Beastman heads?

Imperial Cost player here. Are heavy bolters on heavy support squads worth it or are other options better to kit them out with? Debating autocannons or missile launchers since I want them to be multi-threat to different units.

Lascannons are simply to much to invest in at my point value (1500).

>>51872755
>Are heavy bolters on heavy support squads worth it

No, get Missile Launchers to glance heavy armor. Autocannons are only good for light armor.

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>>51872755
>Imperial Cost
Didn't know the Imperium's equivalent to Walmart had its own military forces.

...

>Lascannons are simply to much to invest in at my point value (1500).
At more than a five-man squad, yes, particularly when a dreadnought will be more robust but also suited for anti-vehicle use IMO. Take the autocannons rather than the MLs, if it's at such a price range, there's no downside unless the enemy overwhelms you with militia blobs.

>>51872755
>Are heavy bolters on heavy support squads worth it
No, they are terrible. Get autocannons unless you expect flyer spam.

>>51872593
I doubt the armour is using the energy around it to produce internal heat, I think it's something to do with how it is powered. His legion are probably happy enough in the cold and I don't know about the titan but presumably the more energy around him the more his armour drains and the greater the exothermic effect. His statline is pretty good overall and Russ was never meant to be the strongest of the Primarchs unlike Angron and Mortarion or Horus.

>>51872637
Anon, I was making a dick joke, I'm well aware that things greater in stature than a marine exist.

Don't think anyone has posted it yet, but have we got any of infernos fluff about the SoH units on Prospero?
Battle Bunnies keeps mentioning there was some lore and pictures but no one fucking shows it

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>>51872290
>Surely it's cowardly to hide in metal boxes and shoot at the enemy from afar.
You meme about it, but both of their RoWs prevent them from using artillery, and Pale Hunters further prevents them from using forts, drop pods and only allows a single HS choice (aka Spartan).
Truly, the Space Wolves are the worst legiones astartes.

>>51872755
Depends if you're a merchant princeling, AP3 HBs are hilarious.

>>51872947
Nope.

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>>51872554
They invented no shit, those filthy mutts.
They merely comissioned them, only so they couldn't use them in any of their RoWs
Kek.

>>51872755
>Imperial Costs
????

>>51872750
The big dudes are way too bestial and the small ones are don't work very well with Marines. I tried using some on my CSM ages ago.

I've been looking at some of the skull like CSM helmets. They're not wolfy, but I wonder if giving them some plume or a top knot and painting them as white skulls would look nice.

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>>51872949
>mfw TS rites don't hinder vehicle usage that much

It's good to be the Crimson King

>>51872949
Oh noes, can't use quad mortars. I guess I'll just use the Medusa and Scorpius.

>>51873001
>so they couldn't use them in any of their RoWs

Scorpius is not Artillery, anon.

>>51872755
At 1500 points, heavy bolters can be worth it if you're playing one of the legions that get a boost to them - DA and IF, basically.

They can displace autocannons as long as you use them against infantry. But missile launchers are often a better idea.

Lascannons are for larger games and probably should be in a bunker or void shield generator.

>>51872947
No pictures, but during the weekender someone claiming to have the book said that the SOH basically fucked off to murder propsero's civilians while the custodes/sisters/wolves/TSons were kicking the shit out of each other.

>>51873049
>Scorpius is not Artillery
Wat

>>51872593
No, anon. Exothermic means it sends the heat far away from the tabletop ;^)
>>51872922
>I doubt the armour is using the energy around it to produce internal heat
You don't need to want to use the energy to produce internal heat. Heat will produced simply because of the laws of thermodynamics.
On layman's terms, have you noticed how the backside of an AC unit gets hotter than the surrounding environment, and that the effect is more pronounced the colder the cooled room is?
Now, you're not spending electricity on heating the atmosphere...but it is a SIDE EFFECT.
Going by Russ' armour's description, he'd be hotter insid of it than Vulkan on a sauna on Nocturne.

>>51872684
I was going to call this ridiculous, but then I remembered marines can eat their way out if trapped behind iron bars due to their acid spit. Then again, it IS stupid because that case gives a lot of time for the acid to act on the metal, and IG tanks are made from gud thick steel rather than mere window-protection bars.

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>>51873049
>Artillery tanks aren't artillery
I'm going to go full EXOTHERMIC one of these days...

>>51873188
Someone needs to make a "200% exothermic" edit of Russ.

>>51873131
>Going by Russ' armour's description, he'd be hotter insid of it than Vulkan on a sauna on Nocturne.
Well, the heat might be converted through Science into electricity, which helps power the armour.

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>>51873121
Do people read rules anymore?

>>51873199
I'm on it.

>>51873188
Fucking see >>51873227 and chill the fuck out, Khorne.

Is there no link for Fantasy audio/ebooks?

>>51873236
Ahhhh race against the clock

>>51873227
>>51873245
Look in the Legion Artillery Squadron rules, the Artillery are all "Tanks" too, not "Artillery".

I suppose it makes some sense. The SWs probably find it hard not to wander off when they're on foot, tending to quad mortars, whereas the guys encased within tanks feel like they can spill more bloodfor the blood god overall than if they ran out on foot.

>>51873270
>>51873236
If you both do it, hopefully you'll have different faces so they'll both work, or the a e s t h e t i c one will.

>>51873188
Artilery are only gunes like eartshaker, Rapier etc.
Whirlwind, Basilisk, Minotaur are tanks.

>>51872829
>>51872885
>>51872906
>>51872957
>>51873005
>>51873067
Thanks for the input, I'll be going with a 5 man missile launchers with a master of signal. At most I expect a single flyer and my mortis dreads will help with that. Are flakk missiles worth the small cost?

My phone always autocorrects fist for some reason.

>>51873328
*Guns

>>51873316
It's just saying that they're moving too fast for artillery to keep up unless it's self-propelled.

>>51873333
>Are flakk missiles worth the small cost?
Not if you already have a Mortis dreadnought. And it's not so small at small level games.
I understand using MLs if you have the parts from BaC or BoP, but do give autocannons a try some time down the line, they're quite fun.

>>51873366
Alright then.

Makes you wonder why they didn't make a version of the Rhino with a quad mortar on it.

>>51873405
>Makes you wonder why they didn't make a version of the Rhino with a quad mortar on it.

Because LR Achilles exists. And Scorpius drops 2-4 blasts per turn when stationary.

What are some lesser seen 30k chapters that I could run with the new SW rules? I'm not sure I wanna paint up a SW army in 30k, but I want Inferno. I like the lore and scheme of Exorcists, but would they fit with 30k Wolves rules? I just want a rip and tear army.

>>51873439
>LR Achilles exists
Different from a behind-the-lines SP artillery, it's like a Sturmpanzer rather than a Priest, in WW2 terms.

Achilles is sexy as fuck without being cheese though, so I do like it. I wish it was stronger though.

>>51873452
Think you mean 40k.
There's those ones who are like a reverse-Lamenters, they're memetic jerks instead of memetic kind-hearted punching bags, and they're also Yellow. Salamdanders didn't get on with them at all.

>>51873452
>chapters that I could run with the new SW rules? I'm not sure I wanna paint up a SW army in 30k, but I want Inferno. I like the lore and scheme of Exorcists,
>30k chapters
>Exorcists
You really have no idea what you have done.

>>51873219
So you even law of theromodynamics?