Warhammer 40k General /40kg/

>>51860111
first for nids

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nth for the ninth.

I kinda want to get this mentality out that having a single Riptide is "OP". It's not. They're the Tau's TEQ. It's fair if they can have one if you bring some Termies or a Land Raider. If they bring multiple and in the Wing, then yes that is pretty cheesy.

Also Kroot are shit. They're just expendable meatshields. Having a whole army oriented around them would be incredibly boring. If Tau auxiliaries had the same love that Genestealers then that would be fine.

A "fun" army to play against is something that tries to bring all the neat units into the battle in a combined arms fashion. Not just spamming any one single unit. A good Tau player would know that some well supported fire warrior unit is a cheaper and arguably better source of anti infantry fire power than the other units.

I'm so tired of hearing non Tau players complain about "muh Battlesuits or muh Riptides" They're there in the codex, they have a purpose, just like the FWs.source then any of the battle suits. Just because you get butthurt at the cheesemongers doesn't mean that the other Tau players have to stop using a particular unit. Quit bitching.

Can someone share Virtues of the Sons/Sins of the Father Horus Heresy audiodrama?

Does CCON not do IG?

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>>51860111
R8 I wrote this before Fall of Cadia came out also before I knew about the dedicated transports option but it should be fairly intuitive

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>>51860123

>>51860142
>Also Kroot are shit. They're just expendable meatshields. Having a whole army oriented around them would be incredibly boring. If Tau auxiliaries had the same love that Genestealers then that would be fine.

they literally had a codex before. it was awesome.

but gw hates fun.

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Jaded Blood Angels player here.
R8 my list.

>>51860174
Aren't Maleceptors shit?

>>51860142
A Riptide reaches across the board and deletes entire squads from turn 1 with little risk. A terminator squad in a LR takes 2-3 turns to even reach combat.

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I want to build an Ork army centered around fliers. Dakkajets, Bommas, Stormboyz, probably even Warkoptas for even more flying stuff.

How well would this sort of thing work out? Are there any planes I should take/avoid? Anything particularly good I should stick in the copters?

>>51860142
>Land Raiders
>ever worth their points
>compared to a Riptide
Terminators working the way they should is a bit more plausible but even that is often a coinflip and not comparable to what a single Riptide can do in comparison, considering the hoops you have to jump through in order to even get Assault Terminators into combat in the first place.

>>51860111
SPACE WOLF PLAYERS

What is different about your average army that sets it apart from vanilla Marines? What unique units do you often take? Is the army dynamic different from vanilla, and if so, how?

>>51860193
They are. They're 200 points for a crappy MC with a crappy witchfire.

They don't even get a good Invuln like Zoanthropes. Would have been so easy to make them walking psychic tanks with long-range Warp Lances, Force talons, and ways to deflect bullets, but no.

Does that GW zigzag foam shit hold raiders well?

>>51860142
Quit using shit units like Riptides and we won't complain.

>>51860193
Yes, but the models look pretty cool.

Like 95% of the codex.

>>51860241
You can make a wulfen jammed into skywolf with wolf riders list, and it actually kinda rules.

I recently got the Deathwatch Overkill box plus already have three full squads of genestealers, if i wanted to grow my army where would i go from here? I as thinking about picking up Subterranean Uprising or some trucks which is better?

>>51860142
>they don't know the meme

>>51860142
How are people falling for this?

>>51860296
Both are good, sub up is better, but no reason not to take both.

>>51860142
This is my favorite copypasta.

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>>51860175
>>51860207
>>51860231
>>51860272

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>>51860142
Well meme'd, friend.

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How do I properly Black Templar?

And how do I win small point tournaments where a Land Raider costs to much for with it?

>>51860142
Kroot aren't shit. They're the Tau's TEQ

>>51860261
Yeah, it takes up a whole sheet though

>>51860322
Did it start as a real, un-ironic post? If so, my sides...

>>51860346
Use skyhammer.

>>51860296
You get rid of all the genestealers, remove the inquisition iconography and play minotaurs.

>>51860346
Do what CSM do. Scream and charge directly at the enemy and then complain that your army is underpowered when it fails.

>>51860351
Pretty sure the battlesuit with 4 toughness and 2+ armor is the Tau's TEQ.

It's just that Broadsides are focused on stationary shooting rather than the slow advance of normal terminators.

>>51860364
Not only was it unironic, the OP defended his statement incessantly, going so far as to deface the 1d4chan page we made in his honor.

Later on he came back with another shitty wall of text

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Guard bros, post up. What are you working on? Any new combinations you're working towards trying?

I had good times last game using Misfortune with Wyverns and Punishers. Felt like I had 2 Pask's. I'm excited to try Emperor's Wrath and I'm hoping to eventually get the models to run an Emperor's Talon.

>>51860378
Stormsurges are the Tau's real TEQ

>>51860318
Got it, I was just thinking of which to get first because money. Also how many flamers does that come with? two or three? because those are really good.
>>51860366
Weak bait

>>51860415
Nice meme

>>51860188
Just wait for Angelus to drop my blood-bound brother.

>>51860387
There's a page? Gimme!

>>51860371
It's like they can't play 3 batteries of hades autocannon rapiers, spam havocs, use cheap compulsory cultists, and bring a warhound.

Are Dark Angels the least loved 7th edition codex?

>No supplement
>Only people without a start collecting box
>No releases
>No new formations/rules since the codex

Even Orks and Tyranids have gotten supplements...

>>51860437
>Warhound
It's shit, and this is coming from someone that actually owns one of the fuckers. No way is it worth 720 points.

It might be okay if made a Daemon Titan of Tzeentch and Grimoire'd, but it would still struggled to make its points back over the whole game.

The 30k version is alright because of the buffs it gets, but still struggles for similar reasons.

Don't take a Titan. Take a Renegade Knight, or two if you really must blow your points on big models.

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>>51860365
So basically something like pic related?

>>51860427
Angelus is 30k only
And I've barely started building my legion

>>51860427
Hey I bought Space Hulk can I play with you cool guys!!! BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD ANGELS!

>>51860418
>Also how many flamers does that come with? two or three? because those are really good.
You mean the sub uprising? You can put flamer pistols on any model, but at 5ppm I wouldn't run more than a few.

>>51860454
They're literally getting shit in the next book.

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I'd there a way to play tau without being cheesy? I like the look of the XV8s and all the stealth units

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>>51860033
>1d4 has its own dedicated userbase that isn't necessarily inclusive of /tg/'s or even 4chan's
That's because TV Tropes loves to link 1d4 in its 40k pages for some reason.

>>51860476
Sorry, I meant how many would be in the box

>>51860454
>Even Orks and Tyranids have gotten supplements...
Before the DA update, which is also solid as fuck. Stop complaining.

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Post armies and say what you're working on

Almost finished a squad of scourges and just received my beast pack in the mail

>>51860479
sure.

use a regular cad. dont take any riptides or stormsurges.

crisis suits are totally fine when they arent included in some retarded formation.

>>51860395
painting guardsmen
about to build a second CCS box

>>51860479
If you don't take Riptides and try not to spam, you should be fine. You could probably go Farsight enclaves, take crisis troops, and then take Stealth suits to support them.

Main thing I would warn against with that is not optimizing your Crisis suits too hard. Try to avoid spamming single man teams, throw in some burst cannon or missile squads for variety. Generally just mix things up.

>>51860479
Take no more than 1 unit of crisis, and 1 ghostkeel (no optimized stealth cadre). No other suits except stealth suits. You can easily still makea good army relying on hammerheads and infantry.

Imo it's the way tau SHOULD be played. Their mechs should be specialust units, not the backbone of their army.

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Does this seem fun to run in weak meta for kill team? The people at my shop seem to bring in a little bit of everything but never spam anything.

>>51860533
Trouble is that the game doesn't reward playing generalist infantry.

>>51860461
Exactly.

You can still run 30k rules for 40k. You actually get assmarines as troops. Blade of Perdition is pretty bonkers also.

What's a fun army that doesn't cost an insane amount. I've been playing guard but want to dip into something else because of how garbage they are.

>>51860578
http://www.mediafire.com/file/1voouhaka9bctd9/Talons+of+the+Emperor.pdf

Custodes.

>>51860477
I hadn't heard of this, is it confirmed by GW?

>>51860558
It works fine if you're not playing against tossers.

If you're going to play competitive playeplayers then they don't get to complain when you fill the board with battlesuits.

>>51860455
Meanwhile! On the Lord of Skulls page

>>51860454
>Still do great in tournaments

Come back when you ALSO suck, then maybe you can get a new book.

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Played a 1500 Pt game today and won another glorious victory for the Imperial Guard what are you up to tonight thread? Any batreps or models you've recently painted?

Also at what point value would you say it's alright to bring a super heavy?

>>51860598
Considering Cypher is coming and shown with a crapload of black Dark Angels, with a Dark Angel helmet and their banner on the box art for the Triumvirate, it's pretty safe to assume that they'll be getting an upgrade in the form of Cypher's guys.

>>51860598
Cypher and all the fallen around him in the images pretty much confirm it.

>>51860593
>30k
Just because the GW Custodes kit is plastic does not make the army cheap. We already have the Caladius and friends, and the Contemptors, all with FW pricetags. When the conversion kits come I expect the army's pricetag will make another leap.

>>51860605
The Lord of Skulls is even worse garbage than Titans, but that's GW's fault for giving it a meme pricetag. Use the Kytan instead.

>>51860433
Here comes the airplane!

1d4chan.org/wiki/Riptides_aren't_OP_in_7th

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>>51860495

Posted the army last thread, but at the moment I'm torn.

I have a bunch of Sisters long overdue for painting, but I also have a bunch of batmans to assemble and paint.

>>51860613
Personally I don't think superheavies/huge walkers should be allowed in any less than 2000 points. Bringing a knight to 1500 is a dick move.

>>51860601
Eh, I was more complaining in a general sense, in that basic infantry have become more and more irrelevant as time goes on.

>>51860613
What was your army list?

>>51860622
Yup. Looking for an army that I can run without being the back that's fun to play.

>>51860646
True. But if both players run heavy infantry it's still fun.

>>51860646
That's because generalists cost more, because they don't get a discount based on the fact that doing 5 things half-decently doesn't matter when you'll only do 2 in any given match.

>>51860611
We didn't even get a start collecting box and will probably be the last legion to get 30k rules. Tau and space wolves both got supplements and they are good.

>>51860617
>>51860621
Thanks anons, I haven't been keeping abreast of the rumour/spoiler mill.

>>51860659
Breaking the bank*

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Why the fuck don't lascannons in heavy weapons teams have an entry on the other side for the battery and power lead? They all end up looking sameface as fuck.

>>51860661
Which is fine, but it'd be nice to be able to match up against a larger variety of lists.

>>51860460

Don't.

Don't be that guy that brings Skyhammer in a sub 1000 game.

Get a Chaplain or Captain, build him however you think looks coolest, stick him with a bunch of angry dudes that match his mobility type (foot, jump or bike) and go wreck some shit in melee like a champion of the Emperor should.

Use one of these as a small Death Star depending on what HQ you run.

Honor Guard in a pod.
Command Squad on Bikes.
Vanguard with Packs.

Look for efficient means of antibiotics light vehicle, you can punch or ignore the heavy stuff. Devastators with Missiles can work, Land Speeder Typhoons can also lay down some light AT work for cheap and Stormtalons are as awesome as ever.

You probably don't need much anti-horde, as you can sweep most of them that aren't fearless, although Thunderfire Cannons are practically anti-everything.

Also everything that you plan on moving even an inch needs to either be fast or in a Transport. I like pods, but Rhinos can work too.

>>51860684
Same reason there aren't left handed models. It would take up too much plastic.

>>51860578
Space Wolves.

Two start collecting boxes and some armour and you got 1500pts right there.

>>51860241
my chapter master picks up hookers by being pulled on a hover chariot by wolves. how does your chapter master get some tail?

I kinda want to get this mentality out that having a single DeffDredd is "OP". It's not. They're the Ork's TEQ. It's fair if they can have one if you bring some Termies or a Land Raider. If they bring multiple and in the Wing, then yes that is pretty cheesy.

Also Grots are shit. They're just expendable meatshields. Having a whole army oriented around them would be incredibly boring. If the small greenskins had the same love that Genestealers then that would be fine.

A "fun" army to play against is something that tries to bring all the neat units into the battle in a combined arms fashion. Not just spamming any one single unit. A good Ork player would know that some well supported Nob unit is a cheaper and arguably better source of anti infantry fire power than the other units.

I'm so tired of hearing non Ork players complain about "muh Deff Dredds or muh Trukks" They're there in the codex, they have a purpose, just like the FWs.source then any of the Gargants. Just because you get butthurt at the cheesemongers doesn't mean that the other Ork players have to stop using a particular unit. Quit bitching.

>>51860729
He grabs the tails of one of your space furries since they're always in their "fursuit" armor.

>>51860713
I bring skyhammer in 500 pt games

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>>51860613
>unpainted models
why do people do this

>>51860613
i feel like you post a lot. how many games do you play a week?

and 1850pts. anything below that i think you should say something beforehand.

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>>51860729
Nigga, he's literally the pimpest of all Chapter Masters. See that picture of the Emperor on his wall? That's what happened the last time that sucker asked him for a duel. He's still on life support. And now that Robert Gullman is waking up, Papa Smurf is going to need to remind him who's really in charge of this Imperium.

>>51860751
they're subhumans

>>51860751
dude an imperial knight is going to take a while to paint

>>51860798
No worse than a few Rhinos (though they can be kind of a bitch). Unless you're doing complex freehand and such.

A basecoat isn't that hard at all.

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>>51860729
>how does your chapter master get some tail?
By standing out in the open and letting it come to him.

>>51860751
>Been in the hobby for two months now
>Have only played one casual game against a friend
>Don't want to bring unpainted shit to the club because I want to make a decent impression and not be that guy

>>51860820
i get you, but if you can't just base-coat it without any details and then send it out

>>51860454
Quit your bitching
t. a Tyranids player

>>51860825
You're a good man

>>51860820
>tfw have a Knight Box bought for cheap
>play Night Lords

It hasn't left the box because the thought of painting it terrifies me.

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>>51860868
>Night Lords player terrified of his own models

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>play orks, played for like 5 years
>have extreme fun painting and building them
>get bored, decide to try a new army
>start eldar
>Enjoy actually winning games
>decide to watch a batrep with orks
>suddenly get an urge to play them again.
Is it a curse or a gift? Every path I take, at the end it's orks. Guard? Orks did mech too and was funner Daemons? Orks did blob too and was funner Eldar? I can't convert much shit and edge highlighting gives me cancer.

>>51860825
Congratulations anon, you have standards.

>>51860415
Stormsurges have a 3+ and are obviously the Tau meq. It's fair that they can have one if you bring some devastators or a predator.

>>51860142
One riptide really isn't op. This is coming from someone who routinely runs one in 1500 point games, not only have I lost to "lesser" armies but I've never had an opponent complain about it.

The internet has a tau hateboner, yes there are cheese mongers who play the army but not every unit is op unless you build a list around making it that way.

>inb4 I I'm a cheese monger

My list runs 18 pathfinders, 27 fw and pirahnas in a CAD

>>51860825
Bro if you listen to teej That Guy moves a pile of sprues around for his knight. You're alright.

>>51860908
Or they just don't want to be 'that guy' and complain about it at the time.

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>>51860884

Nigga, pic related.

Shit is daunting

>>51860911
>a pile of sprues
>implying That Guy simply informs you he's taking a Knight and asks you to use your imagination to represent the model and its base

>>51860837
This is what I do with like everything. I do 2-3 colors and play with it, then slowly add details.

>>51860947
FOR CYGNAR!

>>51860868
>spray ironbelcher
>Spray retributor armor
>Paint carapce blue by hand or with airbrush
Oh look it's basecoated

>>51860947
That looks familiar. Did you ever play in someones bat rep video?

>>51860972
Not mine

>>51860964
Exactly

>>51860971
>spray
>implying everyone has an airbrush

>>51860730
I appreciate the effort you went through to make this.

>>51860993
>What are spray cans

>>51860890
BUddy of mine started playing Tau but he then switched to Orks because they're fun. Honestly, stick with the Orks, but then keep a backup like those Eldar. No sense in limiting yourself, friend.

What's a good GK 2000 point list?

>>51860654
I ran a full five squads of infantry with flamer +vox,two squads of veterans in Chimeras one with three melta guns the other with plasma. I also took a Primaris Pyker,Commissar,Vanquisher with tank commander +Executioner squadron mate with a Demolisher and Lascannon weapons team.
>>51860643
Don't worry anon bro managed to kill it turn two. I ended up flanking it so it couldn't use It's shield.

>>51861040
About 17 models

>>51861040
Dreadknights, Interceptors, Purifiers, Paladins. Pretty much in that order.

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>>51860495
Pic from my last game, had Skitarii with allied Grey Knights, did ok. I'm going to build my last drop pod for my Imperial Fists tomorrow evening.

>>51860763
I try to get in at least one game a week. Gonna do a massive Apocalypse game Saturday It's an exciting week. And I just like contributing to /tg/ I wish more people would post their games here.

Two questions. Airbrushing and painting black.

There are a billion ways I can find to paint black. I'm basically just doing guardsmens boots, what's the quickest but still decent method of doing it?

The second is airbrushing, I'm a bit overwhelmed with all the choices. Is there a basic recommend brush kit?

I kinda want to get this mentality out that having a single Carnifex is "OP". It's not. They're the Tyranid's TEQ. It's fair if they can have one if you bring some Termies or a Land Raider. If they bring multiple and in the node, then yes that is pretty cheesy.

Also Gaunts are shit. They're just expendable meatshields. Having a whole army oriented around them would be incredibly boring. If the small bugs had the same love that Genestealers then that would be fine.

A "fun" army to play against is something that tries to bring all the neat units into the battle in a combined arms fashion. Not just spamming any one single unit. A good Tyranid player would know that some well supported Biovore unit is a cheaper and arguably better source of anti infantry fire power than the other units.

I'm so tired of hearing non Tyranid players complain about "muh Carnifex or muh Tervigon" They're there in the codex, they have a purpose, just like the FWs.source then any of the bio-titans. Just because you get butthurt at the cheesemongers doesn't mean that the other Tyranid players have to stop using a particular unit. Quit bitching.

>>51861083
Most people don't get to play much. I've only had 3 games in the 3 months I've gotten back into the hobby. I want to do 1-2 games a week, but things always prevent me.

>>51861044
Sounds fun. I love blobs.

>>51861090
Black:

base abaddon
layer eshin
highlight ulthuan or celestra

>>51861090

Can't comment on air brushing, but for black you want to highlight with grays and make sure to actually paint over the primer with a black.

>>51860111
>>The dread eldar known as Dunc-enii

THAT'S NOT THE REAL PAINT-GOD EMPEROR OF MANKIND!
What is this heresy?!

I kinda want to get this mentality out that having a single Carnifex is "OP". It's not. They're the Tyranid's TEQ. It's fair if they can have one if you bring some Termies or a Land Raider. If they bring multiple and in the Wing, then yes that is pretty cheesy.
Also Genestealers are shit. They're just expendable meatshields. Having a whole army oriented around them would be incredibly boring. If Genestealers had the same love that Genestealers then that would be fine.
A "fun" army to play against is something that tries to bring all the neat units into the battle in a combined arms fashion. Not just spamming any one single unit. A good Nid player would know that some well supported Brood Lord is a cheaper and arguably better source of anti infantry fire power than the other units.
I'm so tired of hearing non Nid players complain about "muh Carnifexes or muh pyrovores" They're there in the codex, they have a purpose, just like the FWs.source then any of the bioforms. Just because you get butthurt at the cheesemongers doesn't mean that the other Tyranid players have to stop using a particular unit. Quit bitching.

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How effective are Knight Gallants?

Also, R8

>>51860730
>>51861096
>>51861159
This is why we don't endorse 1d4chan. Retards literally copy and paste memes from there to here and expect replies or pats on the back. Because of newfags like >>51860994 they actually get them and the cycle continues. This is why all the memes cataloged there quickly become unfunny and die.

>>51860713
Well, I've been trying to do just that with several variations of that suggestion and even tried bringing a fucking Land Raider out of despair and have constantly gotten my shit pushed in harder than even the local Tyranid and Ork players.

Not being able to charge out of vehicles unless it's a Land Raider is such a fucking bullshit cockblock for Marine armies. Footslogging is not an option in the slightest due to how insane shooting is this edition and using Rhinos to get in charge range is not a working option either because by the time I actually get to charge everything has moved away, turned around and shot my squad down so much that I can't take on anything.

Even when a melee unit, like a Captain in a small Deathstar, manages to do well they always ended up performing SO well that I immediately killed whatever I charged and stood butt-naked in the open for their next shooting phase.

I'm starting to get pretty desparate at this point so Skyhammer is already starting to look interesting, but I don't want to sell my soul either.
Was thinking of maybe getting a Vindicator as armored support to soften up their lines a bit before even thinking of sending anything into melee.

>>51861176
>implying memes are funny

>>51861187
>the only funny memes are the memes I like

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Hey /40kg/, I'm doing a friendly, fluff heavy battle with a friend later in the week, and by fluffy I mean I'm rolling 90% of my powers on the Tzeentch table.

I want a list that'll be good enough to not get squashed in the first few turns, but also one that won't be unfun for my opponent to fight against. Did I do ok?

>>51861175
Usually they are a bit average, but if you have the firepower to get them into combat then they are scary as fuck. They are quite good for guard since there is no CC units to speak of.

>>51861090
Don't buy an expensive compressor. The only factors for consideration are if it has a regulator or not (if not don't buy it) and if it has a tank or not (it's better to have one with a tank, but not totally necessary). A $70 central pneumatic piece of shit will do the job just fine.

Buy a gravity fed airbrush, suction ones suck dicks.

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Anyone use this as primer?

Or would I need to undercoat first?

I have a lot of IG and WW2 us forces to paint and figured an olive spray would help.

>>51861317
It's probably super thick. Test it on something first.

>>51861320
I'm not sure you have the hang of how allies work. I'm also willing to bet money you don't own and have not seen the Imperial Agents or Imperial Knights codices.

>>51861368
You sir, are correct.

Is the CSM SC! Box even worth looking at? There doesn't seem to be anything useful inside.

>>51861445
It's CSM, so nope, it's trash. But really, look at the Armored Assault box or whatever the fuck it's called. The troops and a transport one. it's a good deal.

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Do all of the Blood Angels have blond hair because of Sanguinius' gene-seed? Lexicanum says the Legions inherit a few traits from their Primarchs but how much does this influence what they look like?

>>51861222
Do you suppose that I have the firepower in my list to make it work?

>>51861504
Word Bearers all have regal features and unusually handsome faces and hair because of their geneseed.

>>51861524
>Lorgar
>hair

>>51861504
They become beautiful soldiers, Sanguinius sperm turns ugly borderline mutant scum into perfect human specimens. Blondness is optional.

>>51861547
Truly the best of primarchs.

>>51861504
Dante has very dark or black hair, so not all of them have blonde hair.

How much a Primarch's gene-seed influences the appearance of the marines seems to vary.

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>>51861107
>using off-white as highlight for black

>>51861560
>Alpha Legion

>>51861475

Oh definitely.

I was just thinking that a long lost friend contacted me saying he was starting 40k again with a few friends. I already have a big army, but I've also been slowly working on CSM using the HH boxes. I figured games using the SC! boxes would be a good place for starter games and such, however the CSM one is poop, especially for Night Lords.

>>51861543
Lorgar had to regularly shave and redo his tattoos because his Primarch features kept healing his skin and growing his hair back.

Can a marine ever get discharged and retire?

>>51861612
Only in death does duty end.
Even in death I still serve.

>>51861612
>Implying Cult Mechanicus can't fix anything.

>>51861590
No. Though canon does regularly conflict on whether marines can get too old to fight on the frontlines.

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>>51861560
Hi

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>>51861624

>>51861581
>games using the SC! boxes would be a good place for starter games and such
Sadly, it's really not. Start Collecting sets value in worth and points. Some (Necrons, SW, arguably DE) are actually pretty great formations, while others (Guard, ORKS, Chaos because at least Marines get an okay formation bonus) are hot garbage even if modelwise they're a good deal. I always, always advise against Start Collecting leagues for this reason, not to mention the actual points costs of each formation are all over the place balancewise.

Start them off with Kill Team instead.

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>Start army
>get halfway through painting it
>lose interest and start a new army
>repeat every few months

kill me

>>51861612
No, if you somehow get to become a liability due to age then depending on the chapter they might have the marine train their recruits or some other low intensity job like the GK librarians that guard the relics and seals on Titan or just eventually die in combat.

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>>51861666
Can I have your old armies, Satan?

I'm looking for Tau Ork and Necron

Also maybe some Convergence of Cyriss. I was thinking of dipping into Warmahordes

>>51860212

Sorry to tell you, Anon, but ever since they removed WAAAGH! Plane, Ork fliers are shit. And I mean, that's comparative to the rest of the Ork Codex.

We're talking Nobz in a 'Naught meme level bad performance.

Deffkoptas are pretty okay. I prefer to give them the weaker weapons so the enemy ignores them, and then use them to nab/contest Objectives with their speed.

Storm Boyz are very fun to run, but very not worth their cost if you're trying to win.

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New player here this is probably a stupid question but what are the main differences between necromunda and kill team gameplay wise

>>51861665

Yea, I just started talking to him about KT, which he's thankfully interested in playing.

Not sure if I should feel bad about Stealth Raptors in kill team, though...

>>51861750
If you play Kill Team you will actually get games.

>>51861750
They're completely different.

>>51861718
Huh? When did they remove the Waagh! Plane rule? I thought even the new flyer had it.

I'll admit, I'm not too familiar with Orks, though I'm glad to get second opinions on some of this stuff.

Do any of the forgeworld units help?

So how would you design a Skitarii Primus as their HQ and a customizable Archmagos for Cult Mechanicus?
I feel like Skitarii should at least get a Primus as their HQ, since those are usually their canonical leaders during operations and are much stronger than any of their normal Alphas that you are meant to use as Warlord.

I'd probably give them a WS 4, BS 5, give them 3 wounds and a Master-Crafted version of either a Radium Carbine or Galvanic Rifle as their default Loadout and make them like 30-40 points. From there, allow them to use any ranged weapon Skitarii Infantry can use, including all Pistols and Stub Carbines. Also give the option of using a melee weapon like on normal Alphas or alternatively use a Pistol in their melee hand (so possibly using 2 pistols). Relics should just be the regular Skitarii collection and they'd obviously have access to all 6 of their Warlord traits.

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R8 this list M8s

2kpts Black Templar Castellan

>HQ

Captain [Artificer Armor, Digital lasers, Blade of the Worthy, Melta bomb]

Emperor's Champion

>Troops

2x
Crusader Squad [7x Bolt Pistol & CCW, 1xMeltagun, 1x Power Axe, Sword Bro with Power Sword] Land Raider Crusader

4x
Crusader Squad [6x Bolters, 1xMeltagun, 1xPower Fist] Rhino

>Heavy Support

3x
Basilisk

I can swap the three Basilisks for an Errant.

>>51861636

I assume those that become too old to perform frontline duty end up training the youngsters, putting their centuries of combat experience to good use in raising new generations for war.

I'd honestly figure that marines that become too old for that would either push themselves to the front for one last fight, or get the Apothecaries to administer the Emperor's Peace in quiet.

They might even second themselves into the Deathwatch to find their death far from the duties of their Chapter, which might want them around indefinitely for their experience, regardless of their ability to fight. And if it's really bad they might actually ask for a discharge by forsaking their equipment and heading into the wilderness of a Deathworld, probably the Chapter Homeworld, to fight some monster or other until they find a foe worthy enough to end them. These Marines would never be listed as discharged, though, but striken from the Chapter and usually, as a point of honor, listed in the Chapter histories as KIA; the true nature of their fate eventually known only to the Librarians, if at all.

>>51861815
Well, from the existing conflicting examples, they'll take on work at the Fortress Monastery, doing stuff even the Chapter Serfs couldn't do, assisting Apothecaries and Librarians, or training Scouts/giving advice to the younger in general.

>>51860111

Hey there, /tg/, I need some help building my collection.

I play Renegades and Heretics. I have about 60 regular cultists from the Dark Vengeance box, 20 or so disciples and 10 "veterans" who are just converted scions. I only have 3 heavy weapon bases, and no tanks.

Is it smarter to keep picking up more infantry? I'm concerned about my lack of special weapons, but I don't know where to find bits. If I pick up some tanks, which Russ variant is it smartest to build? I can't into magnets.

>>51860613
I watched a Ynaari vs GSC game tonight
Bith players were fairly new with those sets of rules so I think some things weren't used rigjt, but with soul burst and the cult uprising they basically played a whole game turn before the cult was done deploying, it was a really intense game to follow

>>51861750

GW Kill Team is pretty basic. It's 40k on a smaller scale, but it does suffer from the rules scaling for that. Otherwise, it lets you play small battles with Your Dudes from the main game with some big limiters on the most egregious of cheese lists.

Necromunda is build first and foremost as a skirmish game, so there's a lot of granularity at that scale for the individual model. Individual models develop and gain experience, almost like RPG character, and by writing in narrative you can craft individual stories for them.

For some more contemporary and supported versions of each game, look up Heralds of Ruin Kill Team and Inquisimunda (Inquisitor merged with Necromunda rules) as respective alternatives to GW Kill Team and Necromunda. Although >>51861772 is right in that few are willing to venture far from 40k proper.

>>51861840
Really, it depends on what you need. Do you need AT? Do you need anti horde? Do you need a generally good tonk?

>>51860111
I'm looking and I can't find the Thousand Sons book

>>51860947
But that's not how Knights work anon!
it's very very nice though

>>51861923

Everything for Thousand Sons from Wrath of Magnus is included in Traitor Legions.

>>51860283
Are you a grill?

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How is my GK list?

>>51861475
I really hope the next CSM codex renames the standard CSM unit Desolators.

>>51861836

I assume that they eventually disappear, and that might have its causes. Either there is actually a cap on a Marine's highly extended lifetime, or they seek out some way to end themselves honorably.

Ultimately a Marine's life is war, and to kill and die for the Emperor is their purpose. If a Marine can't fight he's got no more driving purpose to his life, and anything that comes afterwards would be torment as he goes and watches the new generations go out there to serve, they themselves stuck in the Monastery. It's why they give Dreadnoughts to damaged Marines, so they can continue to fight even when they have been blown limb from limb, and a valuable asset may continue to serve the Chapter.

But a Marine who can't fight properly at all would probably have the pity of the Chapter, and the Chapter itself is comprised of individuals who themselves are very well versed in honor, at least among their own. They'd probably be willing to let them seek death on their own terms as much for their honor as the Chapter's, since it would be a disgrace to keep a dying man from an honorable death.

Only example I have of this is a badly wounded White Scar knowing that he can survive his crippling injuries, but only if confined to a Dreadnought, something the Chapter Masters would demand because of the value of their Marines. You know how the White Scars feel about Dreadnoughts. His commanding officer instead killed him himself to save him from that fate.

>>51861983
no talking in the library/10

>>51861983
You should only ever take one squad of troop Termies.

>>51861983
>28 models
>2000 points

Expect to get your shit handed to you by a few pie plates.

>>51861951

Again, it's not mine, but yea.

What would cause a Knight to want to work with Night Lords, though?

>>51860678
Wrong hobby friend.

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>>51860947
>I can only see the bulge and pubes on his pic.

>>51862057
We'll a renegade knight wouldn't need much reason to sow havoc
Although there's no legitimate fluff reason for one to go so deep as to try and become a member of the chapter like that one has

>>51860964

Damnit Haley

>>51861317
krylon camo is pretty good. takes a while to fully dry but isn't too thick and has plenty of tooth. its also like 3.00 a can

>>51862057
The same thing that causes people to play Night Lords, autism.

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>>51860993
>implying everyone has an airbrush

>mfw every time I find just the right tutorial I'm looking for
>"Amazing gold made easy!"
>"How to paint large vehicles"
>"Easy blending guide"
>and the first step is to airbrush

Any information on whether anyone else besides tau and mechanicus get updated in IA14?

>>51862390
Red Scorpions will be getting updates, so more Marine shit perhaps.

>>51862402
what about elysians, they got updated with taros campaign (last tau book), will they be in IA14 or are they going to be done in a later IA?

>>51862390

So far haven't heard anything. Although we did see Carab Culln in that super-dread, so they're probably bringing in some of the HH Space Marine equipment by way of the Red Scorpions.

>>51862413
Elysians have rules in Anphelion project (D-99) which was just reprinted. I doubt it.

>>51862390

They don't update more than 2-3 sides per IA.

>>51860395
Looking forward to get back to the boys after a long 6 month mandatory break from them thanks to work. Gonna be adding some anvil rpg-7s to my dudemans and I'm thinking what if it would look better if I use wire instead of greenstuff which I'm not particularly skilled with for my hotshots/hellguns.

>>51862390
Some ia books have 3 factions involved so its not out of the question that the new one gets some of their pet guardsman added in or some space marine stuff

>>51862422
wait it was just reprinted?
what does that mean?
when?
I know but d-99 isn't the full elysians, so I was hoping they would get an update.
>>51862429
>>51862419
oh ok
Hopefully IA15 redoes them

>>51862390
>IA 14
>being released
>ever

>>51862457

If you want the original EDT to be updated, don't hold your breath. The original DKoK never got updated either. Once an army gets a "new" better list, like D-99 and Assault Brigade, they never update the original versions like EDT and Siege Regiment.

>>51862459

You think this is a long wait, try being an Infinity player. Sure, they release quality stuff on a monthly schedule, but goddamn do their larger releases and projects take time to get out there.

By comparison, GW is swift and timely at releases. I will say they at least know how to manage hype for their own products.

>>51862511

You're dumb if you actually wait for Infinity releases that aren't box exclusives that are going out for pre-order in the next few months or something like that. As far as I'm concerned, with Infinity, you better satisfy yourself with the current range or be waiting for a long time.

Same with Warmahordes. I only got gun mages for my Satyxis and Llael just fucking now, after, what, a decade of waiting?

>>51862511
>the plastic Sisters release has been in the works for longer than Infinity has been a game
You know nothing of our struggle CB.

>>51861217
shameless bump

Anyone have that greentext of one of Mortarion's bodyguards who is disgusted by him?

>>51862510
oh ok, but fluff wise was assault brigade just a supplement like FSE for tau or was it like d-99 and a fluff detachment. I mean d-99 can only tak 3 turrets and one squad of cyclops demolitions vehicles for fluff reasons
Either way does reprinted mean that d-99/elysians won't be getting updated soon or what does reprinted exactly mean.
I really want an update since my local gw staff guy says that no flyers can deep strike as of 7ed rulebook and that combat drop rule and the deep strike rule all elysian/d-99 flyers have is non-existent now.

>>51862533

>the plastic Sisters release has been in the works for longer than Infinity has been a game
>has been in the works

You actually think it's been in the works? I'm pretty sure they have no one on the project and have made no progress.

With any luck, the Celestine release will have proven a good test case and they'll be looking to actually have someone start working on them.

>>51862551
>You actually think it's been in the works?
No.

But I'm saying it's a line update that players have been waiting for since like 2000. Infinity has been around since what, 2006? 2005? There are some a lot minis in GW's line that are literally older than the game.

Doubtless there would be units with rules that have lacked models for similar lengths of time, only GW is determined to axe that problem ever since ChapterHouse, and Forge World wasn't as popular until semi-recently.

>>51862547

They were sort of like supplements. They're a "different" form of army of the same army. Death Korps of Krieg Siege Regiment and Death Korps of Krieg Assault Brigade.

Same with the original Elysians and the new Elysian D-99.

>I really want an update since my local gw staff guy says that no flyers can deep strike as of 7ed rulebook and that combat drop rule and the deep strike rule all elysian/d-99 flyers have is non-existent now.

This isn't really a need for an update, at most FW can just FAQ it or email them ask if this is how it works, and either they will respond "we didn't update them for 7E yet and you should just treat it as if they can still do that" or they will say "with the changes made in 7E this army no longer has those rules but you can still play without them" which would suck but at least it's still playable.

Your local GW just has a typical shitty employee if he says the army is entirely unplayable. That is not the point of the game and kills the entire spirit of the hobby to disallow someone's entire army because of one tiny rule mix up due to GW changing shit.

>>51862603
>my local gw staff guy says that no flyers can deep strike as of 7ed rulebook
But that's wrong.

>combat drop rule and the deep strike rule all elysian/d-99 flyers have is non-existent now
>source: his ass
Seriously, what the fuck. Does he just hate Forge World or something? Email them and inquire, then show him the response.

>>51862603
he allows me to use them but doesn't allow combat drop or the deep striking of flyers, which is d-99/elysian's entire thing and they're unplayable without it, a storm trooper force without hot shot weapons or carapace armour.
>>51862621
I sent an email on thursday last week but have no response so far, should I ring?

>>51861079
Nice painting, do you have anymore pics?

>>51862662

Asking on phone is pointless, the point of email is so you can print it out as proof. Try emailing them again, they almost always respond to rules questions, unless this is a case of "we don't want to upset GW".

Don't talk about your store in your email. Just ask them can D-99 still combat chute and deep strike flyers.

>>51860142
This is unironically correct.
>>51860207
Let's mathhammer this.
I'll do the nova profile for the burst cannon but not the ion gun, since everyone spaces their models out.
Riptide is at BS3, is not using ripple fire, and has no stim injector.
Units with no cover (lol)
>GEQ 5+
3.75 with ion + sms
5.83 with hbc + sms
7.5 with nova hbc + sms, takes 0.33
>GEQ 4+
2.5 with ion + sms
4.58 with hbc + sms
6.25 with nova hbc + sms, takes 0.33
>MEQ 3+
1.91 with ion + sms
1.77 with hbc + sms
3.04 with nova hbc + sms, takes 0.33
>TEQ 2+/5++
1.16 with ion + sms
0.88 with hbc + sms
1.69 with nova hbc + sms, takes 0.33

Deletes entire squds, huh?

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>>51862679
I was going to call them to get them to answer the email, since I asked 7 questions in it, but I did mention the store to them so now I'll ask from a different email, thanks.

>>51860479
Hunter Cadre is fine at 1500+
1 Riptide and 1 Ghostkeel are also fine at 1500+
People whine about Tau all the time here, don't let it get to you.
Guess what, you can still get your shit kicked in by death stars, death guard, and bikes.

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Decided to go with this list instead of the LVO clone. Pic related isn't mine

1850 Renegades & Heretics: Vraks Renegade Unending Host

HQ
Renegade Command Squad
Arch Demagogue, master of the horde, covenant of nurgle, 4x Disciples

Troops
Renegade Infantry Platoon
20x PCS, Demagogue, x3 melta guns, chaos sigil, militia training, meltabombs
20x Infantry Squad, x3 plasma guns, chaos sigil, militia training, krak grenades
20x Infantry Squad, x3 plasma guns, chaos sigil, militia training, krak grenades

Renegade Infantry Platoon
20x PCS, Demagogue, x3 melta guns, chaos sigil, vox, militia training, melta bombs
20x Infantry Squad, x3 plasma guns, chaos sigil, militia training, krak grenades
20x Infantry Squad, x3 plasma guns, chaos sigil, militia training, krak grenades

Renegade Infantry Platoon
15x PCS, Demagogue, x2 flamers, chaos sigil, militia training
15x Infantry Squad, x2 flamers, chaos sigil, militia training
15x Infantry Squad, x2 flamers, chaos sigil, militia training

20x Plague Zombies

Fast Attack
6x Renegade Sentinels, autocannons, camo netting, militia training

Heavy Support
3x Renegade Rapier batteries, extra crew, militia training

Lords of War
Renegade Baneblade

The baneblade gives my squads fearless and get a modifiable 3+ cover save (2+ for the camo netted sentinels, 3+ for OTHER infantry behind another squad) for getting shot through my bubble wrap infantry. The infantry squads themselves return to the board outflanking on a 2+ with extra movement when they die. It's pretty much inevitable that the special weapons get across the board.

>>51862737
>suit Tau losing to CSM
Absolutely impossible. You are just making shit up now you fucking faggot. Last week i went to the store and there was literally a guy with two Riptide Wings wanting to play a 1500 point game. You clearly have no idea what the real meta is, your playgroup is just a bunch of casual shitheads.

t. /tg/ armchair general who doesn't actually play but if I did I'd always win because I'm really good at mathhammer

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>>51861796

It's still in, they just nerfed it hardcore. Instead of double shots it's just one additional shot on all Assault weapons during a WAAAGH.

Dakkajets used to be good because they'd show up, you'd call a WAAAGH, and spit out 18 twin-linked Str 6 shots at BS3. It was glorious. Now you get 12 shots. It's just underwhelming. You'd be better off just taking more Lootas for the same price if you want Ap4 shooting.

>Forgeworld

Their flyers are worse, if that's even possible.

>>51860142

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Well shit it looks like GW stole my army name for something else, I have no clue how long this Horus Heresy book was in the works so I'm not sure if they were browsing here and took the name or if it was just a coincidence

Wonder what I should change "Sons of Ymir" too if I should change it at all

Brotherhood of the Jotunn maybe?

>>51862802
>taking he bait
>again
>even though it's been discussed numerous times in the thread that it's pasta
>being THIS new
dumb orkposter

>>51862840

Fuck you, it's fine. Could be you write it into supposed chapter history or you could just opt for it to be coincidence.

Or maybe have some sort of Minotaurs thing happen. Minotaurs were a Chapter before, died out, and suddenly came back during the 21st Founding with a completely different personality. Could be that, instead of being replaced because of shady things, they became their spiritual successors, possibly inheriting the name even without a chapter relation.

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>>51862709
>BS3
>no markerlights

>>51862271
>Step 1. Get an airbrush.

>>51862873
>using markerlights on guard or marines
>firing an iontide at GEQ

>>51862846

I kinda want to get this mentality out that replying to pasta is "dumb". It's not. It’s /tg/’s bread and butter. It's fair if we can reply to pasta if other boards bring memes or shitpost. If they bring reaction images or pepe, then yes that is pretty dank.

Also good discussions are shit. They're just expendable threads. Having a whole board oriented around them would be incredibly boring. If /tg/ discussions had the same love that /tv/ discussions get then that would be fine.

A "fun" thread to post in is something that tries to bring all the opinions of the board into the battle in a combined shit-flinging fashion. Not just spamming any one image macro. A good /tg/ posted would know that some well supported arguments are a cheaper and arguably better source of trolling than replying to pasta.

I'm so tired of hearing newfags complain about "muh shitposts or muh memes" They're there on the internet, they have a purpose, just like the containment boards.source then any of the chans. Just because you get butthurt at the pastamongers doesn't mean that the other /tg/ posters have to stop taking the bait. Quit bitching.

>>51862873
He already accounted for no cover. How many Markerlights are you pouring into a single infantry unit for your Riptide to shoot?

>>51860111
Am I blind, or is there no Deathwatch codex in any of the folders?

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>>51862869
That's right forgot about how shady the Minotaurs history was

To black libraries credit Ymir being used for the space wolves and their dreadnoughts was inevitable, maybe it's not that big of a coincidence that my Sons of Ymir is dreadnought heavy chapter

I will be using that torso pattern on my leviathan though once I get some more practice done with free handing

>>51862754
Neat army anon, any more pics of them?

>>51862156
That's because you are gay, friendo.

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>>51862908
>/tv/
>good

>>51862929

Hey when was the last time we memed something into existence?

>>51862924
Regardless of whether or not you're trolling they can be found via reverse google image search.

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>>51862937
/tg/ doesn't meme things into existence we write them up

Is it plausible for Kriegers to be turned (mind tricked really) by way of a chaos spell?

What name should I give my Night Lords for when I want to play them as Loyalist? Obviously, I wouldn't use any of my CSM models in favor of my cleaner, spikeless, HH Marines. Maybe I'd use them as a Raven Guard successor, though going from white to almost black is a bit of a swing.

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>>51860613
I just put some rather severe heat deformation on my contemptor's weapons. I wanna finish it up by this weekend, since he did fairly well against the Dark Angels last game, by killing Sammael and his entire bike squad.

He was definately the real MVP of my game last night, since he wiped out most of my opponent's bikes. The Rough Riders got all shot to death on turn 1, and FATMAN only got a charge off on turn 4, while he barely killed anything. This contemptor here is probably going to get named by this weekend, seeing as how he's been on a consistent awesomeness streak by earning back his points in every game.

On the other hand, I had an apothecary earn himself the callsign "Cyanide" when he forcefully ripped a mind-worm out of my chief librarian's skull in mid combat to save the dude's life.

>>51862951
Is this now a cringe bread?

>>51862977
You don't.
Because you are just changing to a rule book that suits the Night Lords less for the sake of being a cheesedick.
Stop being a homo.

>>51862977

Ignore the white part. Idk why I always think RG are white. I get them confused with Scars for whatever reason.

>>51862977
no reason they couldnt be white. they could have just campaigned on some hoth worlds for the last 40 years so they painted their armor appropriatly

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Got this limited edition guy, from my old DV box (unassembled and unpainted). No idea what to do with him. Convert to a Dark Apostle? Find someone online that'd pay enough for him for me to bother with the hassle of packaging and shipping him off?

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>>51860729
He dies instantly the moment the hooker so much as touches him to remove his armour.
> Dat feel when your CM is the most fragile of all space marine characters.

>>51862970

I imagine there'd be not much else in their head but duty to the Emperor and fighting. Still, they're mortal men, so a strong enough spell would probably effect them.

>>51862970
with warp magic anything is possible

>>51862999
>Implying marines change their colours to suit the battlefield
>Proving you are this new
Don't provide advice to things you don't understand, plus that's heresy

>>51862978
>callsign
ree

>he forcefully ripped a mind-worm out of my chief librarian's skull
Mind Worm isn't a literal mind worm you numbskull it's a psychic fucking power. At best he gave the dude pain pills and told him to walk his headache off.

Christ but you are insufferable sometimes.

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>>51863023
I like to feel I don't get triggered often, but I have to agree with anon here.

>>51862911
I gotchu senpai

https://mega.nz/#!AYdVBR6T!la9zDsJgaeB05DZm-eqAQP6QY17pXrjI-UaWndB_EWk

>>51863016

A lot of Space Marines adopt camouflage, it just doesn't make the artwork a lot over their chapter colors because no one is going to understand who they are from the artwork.

Older artwork had multiple camouflage patterns for chapters given what campaign they were fighting, and even the Red Scorpions, a Chapter known for having Pride in Colors to a fault has adopted camouflage from time to time, but only by adhering strictly to an appropriate camouflage pattern detailed in the Codex Astartes.

>>51863023
> Complaining about someone enjoying herohammer games
I bet you don't even play 40k

>>51862993
>counts as is fine
>as long as you're not trying to use rules that are actually good!

This is a situation where if they're not painted, it's no big deal, but put some dark blue on there and suddenly there's a problem, right? It's not like I'm using Hellbrutes for Dreadnaughts.

>>51862999
I a royally fucked the colors up on the RG and thought they were white. Black armor going to midnight blue armor isn't much of a stretch.

>>51863047
Thanks bb.

>>51863016
>he dosent know about the emperors finest, the reasonable marines
but really, its 40k , the place with the universe so big anything can fit your narative, thats whats so great about 40k. not using camo is for people that follow the codex astartes, and there are plenty of chapters that dont follow that thing anyways.

>>51863064
>I only know 40k through 1d4chan memes

>>51863003
stay away from hookers that have nurgles rot.

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>>51860628
>tfw I remember his autistic shitflining like it was yesterday
>has his own fucking page

>>51863078
im not going to argue with you, but there have been plenty of official space marine images with them in camo

>>51863016
>>51863064
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Raptors_(Chapter)

>>51863102
Because camo is a Codex tactic you flaming faggot. Pride in Your Colors is an aberration. I don't expect your Ward hate meme-filled brain to understand, but the Codex actually advocates stealth and camouflage, as well as personal initiative and flexibility in times of war. Camo is only relatively rare for Marines because in 40k they are flaming fucktards obsessed with the color of paint on their armor, but above all because this is a game about fucking miniatures with recognizable paint schemes.

>>51863058
If they look like night lords and you play as SM then you are a faggot
If you don't paint them, do what you want, you are a faggot anyway.

>>51863126
holy shit you sound fanny flustered. i thought we were just having a friendly conversation

>>51863134
FUCK. YOU.

t. long time Iron Warriors player

>never ordered from chinaman because retarded
>get help finding one
>place order and ask for PayPal
>3 week silence

Guess I'll just order from FW. I just need some goddamn combis and Autocanons, which is going to cost me like $50 after shipping. May as well tack on some etched brass and try that out.

>>51863142
Stop sucking the codex's dick you filth

>>51862802
>Their flyers are worse, if that's even possible.

All things are possible when we talk of GWs ongoing quest at making orks terrible.

>>51863091
Check out the talk page and previous edits too. Shit is comedy gold if you remember the dude.

>>51863146
I am guessing you are the guy I guided to girl website?
Sorry you are having trouble.
Did you place the order number in your original order?
Place it again and write
"Hello there friend :)
Can I please pay for order # with PayPal?
Thanks"

>>51863146
You don't ask chinaman for his paypal, you send him yours. If you format it properly so that google translate can figure out what you're saying, then you should receive an invoice directly sent to your paypal. Your email should look like this:

Hello Z. I am a returning customer. I would like to place an order.

I would like
1 Unit of: (Catalog code)
2 Units of: (Catalog code)

My shipping is:
(Country)
(State)
(City)
(Address)
(Zip Code)

The paypal will be:
(your paypal email)

>>51863175

Yea, that's me.

That's exactly how I sent my email.

>>51863187
Try again. Don't listen to that guy above. He is talking about a different recaster.

>>51863170
Well, that would be Forgeworld, not GW, though I guess neither of them really like Orks.

Have there been any decent homebrew fixes for them? Surely somebody tried by now.

>>51863208
Space 0din's fandex is skub but I like it

How essential is the Chapter Master upgrade if the Captain is just gonna chill in the back in Cataphractii and give Slow and Purposeful to a lascannon team?

>>51863208
https://www.dropbox.com/s/lsx27fo3rq2x7tk/Codex%20-%20Orks%207th%20Edition%20Update%20[Space%20Odin](2016).pdf?dl=0

There's always the Space 0din fandex. I don't play orks, but I thoroughly enjoy playing against people using space 0din's dex.. It's like 3rd edition orks all over again.

Leviathan and especially deredeo are ugly as shit.

>>51863247
>opinions
They're no Castraferrum but they're both miles better than the Contemptor.

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>>51863247
Do you tell your friend that you are a leet troll?

>>51863204

Yea, I figured. The Z that everyone knows but me lol

I guess I'll just try another email. Might just reorder everything at this point.

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>>51863247
Well memed fellow /ledditor/

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>>51863247

Why don't you hop on and make me pretty then?

>>51863260
Yeah so that. Also make your email just a name.
Z is just the $2 store of recasters: shit at a premium

>>51863270
Do that*** reorder.

>>51863257
>they're both miles better than the Contemptor.
No they not. Deredeo is horrendous. Leviathan just meh.

>>51863222
Pretty sure a Chapter master can't even take that, as the profiles are separate. That may be outdated knowledge though.

Either way, provably not too critical.

>>51863270
I've seen Z's catalogues, and the prices are so much cheaper. I've heard that his casts are a lot better now a days.

>just a name
How do you mean?

>>51863224
I was just reading through it out of curiosity. I just started playing (and as Orks), and he says ramshackle used to be different. What was the old rule?

>>51863219
>>51863224
Well, glad to see there's consensus on where to look at least. Glancing it over it seems like there's quite a few nice changes, though it seems to be mostly for infantry with initiative and leadership stuff.

Ill give it a closer look to see what air-based stuff I can find. All I have so far is the plan of sticking a squad of Lootas in a Warkopta to give them an open topped skimmer to fire out of and protect them with Jink saves

OFFICIAL DREADNOUGHT TIER LIST
>Mk5
>Mk4
>Leviathan
>Deredeo
>literally everything else
>Custodes Contemptors
>Contemptors
Prove me wrong you can't

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>>51862928
H-how do you know, sempaï?

>>51863299
Literally word for word what it is in the fandex. Also note that on the 3-4 result, you straight up have a 33% chance of basically gaining an extra 3d6 movement in the direction of your choice. It can also possibly negate the "EXPLODES!" result of the VHT, or create a mini-explodes. S3 doesn't bother your ork boyz anywhere near as much as normal explosions.

>>51860395
ordered some parts for bodyguards for my rogue trader/company commander. Thinking about trying out my models as counts-as Elysian Drop troops.

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>>51863268
> Using Dual-Graviton Cannons
Bruh that's pretty fun. Next leviathan I'm buying is going to go for double Cyclone Meltas. I did the math for it and found out that a double-cyclone leviathan can apparently kill a knight in a single round of shooting. That shit's awesome.

>enter first tournament at flgs
>lose to GK player, don't think much of it because I haven't been playing for long
>find out later GK player was basically cheating
highlights include
>generating warp charges per model instead of per unit
>generated psychic powers on literally every unit instead, both dreadknights had purge soul
>insisted that wounds generated from small blasts only wound units caught under the template so the extra 5 or so unsaved wounds generated by my Dunecrawlers just dissipated.

I probably should have caught on when he was generating psychic powers but nobody in my group uses psychic powers or plays Grey Knights.

>>51863328
I can see it in your eyes, Anon-kun.

>>51863345
>grass growing on a dread
That's actually a really cool idea for an ancient dread who's been left out for years. I mean the occupant probably wouldn't survive that long but it looks cool as fuck.

>>51860188
Give the PF Death Company Bolters. They're relentless. Also, the base Land Raider is garbo. Crusader or FW is the way to go. Also, 80 points is way too much to spend on scouts.

>>51863371
>he doesn't know

>>51863379

Let him have his innocence. It's the least we can do to let him enjoy these last few moments of peace.

>>51863288
Like "[email protected]"
Don't know why, but they respond well to simple emails.

>>51863281
Oh yeah, you're right. Forgot they somehow lose that option.

>>51860578
Deathwatch. Low model count, cool gear, and each guy is from a unique chapter, so all sorts of fun fluffy stuff there.

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>Go see lego batman with family
>Constantly distracted by the mold lines on things

>>51863388

Right then. I'll give it a shot. Wish me luck.

>>51863401
Best of luck, I mean it, you sound like a nice dude and deserve some China love.

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>>51863379

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>>51863395
>anon wants to play a more powerful army
>recommend deathwatch

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>>51863397
>Going to see kids movies with family
Scram, kid

>>51863352
Yea, I just recently found out that the local 30k crowd has been using it's rather upsurd numbers to bully other people over the game rules. I had to have a heated discussion with a friend of mine that YES, wounds incurred by a leviathan do spread to other models(the game works on a WOUND POOL, and wounds don't magically vanish unless it's explicitly stated they don't spread).

And that certain rules from special characters apply to the entire unit... Like a vigilator with stealth gives stealth to the unit he's attached to. But apparently 90% of the local 30k crowd literally hasn't read the core rulebook since 5th edition. And they seem to operate on the belief that they're automatically right because they have more people who think the same retarded way.

I was about to start a 30k army too. Now I kinda got put off of it because of how retarded the crowd is.

>>51860821
That's a sanguinary guard member, not dante, anon.

But yes, Dante is the shit, and yiff lord is just as lame as his shitty faction.

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>>51863413
So don't play with retards.
Start a game, show the rules as you go.
If they don't follow them, pack up and play with someone else.
Done.
Being an adult is not that hard.

When can we haz the whole INFERNO Book -.-'

>>51863406
He said fun, not super strong.

>>51863345
>I did the math for it and found out that a double-cyclone leviathan can apparently kill a knight in a single round of shooting. That shit's awesome.
Show your working, I just ran some calculations and found that while it's of course entirely possible it isn't even the most likely result.

>>51863433
I don't normally play with retards, I have a small group of good friends that I play with all the time. One of my friends had the tendrils of the 30k group try to dig their retardedness into his skull.

So mid-game he suddenly started chimping out when I started rolling up severing cut after killing some termies. And he explained what APPARENTLY 10 or so people came out and told him this weird argument. After I opened the core rulebook to explain otherwise, he kinda sulked and spent the entire rest of the day being super hostile.

>>51863449
>I've been playing guard but want to dip into something else because of how garbage they are
>want to dip into something else because of how garbage they are
>because of how garbage they are
>garbage

>>51863001
Hmm.. Convert to dark apostle.. Any ideas how to start

>>51863404

Thanks, man. You're pretty chill, too.

I guess in the meanwhile I'll make a ton of legs and torsos.

>>51863459
Well, the Leviathan's got 6 shots, and 5 hits from BS5. If you're not a gibbering retard, you've given the leviathan a Dreadnought Drop Pod.

The Leviathan has S9 AP1, which with +2d6 strength against RA12, the bell curve then shows that you have a 97.22% chance of AT LEAST GLANCING. With a 91.22% chance of penning.

This results in a total of 4.561 pens, of which at least one of those is an Explodes result.. Doing an additional 1.5 hull points, and killing the knight outright.1

Now that mere threat of instakilling a knight means it MUST turn it's shield around to face the leviathan, and thus will only take 3-4 hull points of damage. At which point it's now at the mercy of the entire rest of your army.

Are Lascanons on Havoks still not worth it if they have Stealth? I feel like they would be nice to have as a compliment to the standard AC squad.