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22 Bazooka Teams Edition

Flames of War SCANS database:
http://www.mediafire.com/?8ciamhs8husms
---Includes our Late War Leviathan rules!
Official Flames of War Free Briefings:
http://www.flamesofwar.com/Default.aspx?tabid=108

Current /tg/ fan projects - Noob Guide &FAQ, and a Podcast
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1eD3nkA51ddl3nmltKg0zsnfrOUhlWgcc4h5aqz-RFqw
Quick Guide on all present FOW Books:
http://www.wargames-romania.ro/wordpress/wargames/flames-of-war/flames-of-war-starting-player-guide-the-books/

Archive of all known Panzer Tracts PDFs: http://www.mediafire.com/folder/nyvobnlg12hoz/Panzer_Tracts

WWII Osprey's, Other Wargames, and Reference Books
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/z8a13ampzzs88/World_War_Two
and, for Vietnam.
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/z8i8t83bysdwz/Vietnam_War

--Guybrarian Notes:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eD3nkA51ddl3nmltKg0zsnfrOUhlWgcc4h5aqz-RFqw/edit?usp=sharing

http://www.400gb.com/u/1883935

Panzerfunk, the /fowg/ podcast.
http://panzerfunk.podbean.com/

https://vimeo.com/128373915

http://www.flamesofwar.com/Portals/0/Documents/Briefings/CariusNarva.pdf

http://www.flamesofwar.com/hobby.aspx?art_id=1949 the Azul Division: no longer linkable off the main page

Which army do you play the most?
http://strawpoll.me/4631475

what actual country are you from?
http://strawpoll.me/4896764

DISCORD
https://discord.gg/drZbxvm

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JWmbvVANUraO9ILWJZduRgiI9w4ZC3ytNUQE8rK7Xrw/edit?usp=sharing an "i want to get a starter set" for late war.

Do you play TANKS? what is the local scene / meta like? (multi)
http://www.strawpoll.me/12127794/r

Soviet Brainstorming Batalon Discord
https://discord.gg/BfbxDSp
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>>51850871
Life support. Fuck assembling Calliopes.
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>>51850871
OH GOD WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE
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>>51850871
>There's no way Battlefront would be stupid enough to wreck the game with 4th guys, it's fine!
>There's no way the Germans would be stupid enough to invade the Soviet Union tovarisch, it's fine!
>there's no way the Japs would be stupid enough to bomb Pearl harbor and piss off the Yanks guys, it's fine!
>There's no way the Germans would be stupid enough to launch a counterattack through this kind of snow guys, it's fine!

Something something history repeating itself something something I WARNED YOU etc etc.
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So, I see we're still in the Anger stage?

- Disbelief
- Denial
- Anger
- Bargaining
- Depression
- Acceptance
- Hope
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>>51855602
is the acceptance phase where we buy all of the kits for MW?
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>>51855602
can't wait to see the bargaining phase
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>>51855744
I've got much of the first waves already on pre-order desu.

Of course, I can simply go and use the minis for other rulesets if V4 doesn't work out, but I've got good hope.
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Better than Disbelief.
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>>51855744
Pretty much. Or at least playing EW or LW with the new rules.

>>51855748
Bargaining will probably be people trying to convince other players to stick to Version 3. Or trying to convince Battlefront that we need new books with new points values or they're "never playing again!"

Either way, I was just trying to make a vet bad joke about the stages of grief.

Because seriously, coming to these threads lately has felt like attending a funeral.

And I don't say that lightly.
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>>51855952
Nah Man I'm hyped up. My King Tigers become vastly more survivable with the major nerf bat to artillery. Volksturm become more useful as holding assets, because now they cost Zero Points to hold on the table, rather than costing a platoon space. Sure they're not as resilient to artillery any more. So life's good. Always Defend might be gone, but I'm still good.
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>>51853564
>>There's no way the Germans would be stupid enough to invade the Soviet Union tovarisch, it's fine!

It wasn't that much of a bad plan. If they'd taken Moscow (which was hard but not impossible) the whole war would've turned out differently.

Hindsight is 20/20
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>>51856057
>with the major nerf bat to artillery
And aircraft. Bombs and Rockets are now AT 3. So they're fucking useless at tank hunting now. At least nobody took Typhoons in the first place...

Really, I could understand reducing it to a cap of AT 4, but a cap of AT 3 is just way too damn far.
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>>51856080
The Germans were never going to take Moscow, and even then it's not guaranteed that would force a soviet surrender.
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>>51856203
I honestly think EVERYTHING should have re-rolled saves on repeat. It doesn't make sense for tanks to just sit in a barrage because lol only 105mm. At some point the crew will have to balance the value of their position vs the ever growing chance of actually being hit. What little I've read on the topic suggests that indirect fire would first blind crews, then force some kind of movement after god knows how long.
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This is the V4 list I'm playtesting ASAP. Let me explain:
>every company is split into its component platoons--for example those 6 Resitas are 3 two-gun units now
>the cannon Stukas are like they're in TY but better, so I will always take them
>those huge ass field guns are the same fucking cost as the same number of 81mm mortars would be, give or take 5 points
>tanks are for babies
>Heavy guns are now concealed in foxholes I should note
>the Brandts and HMGs can combat attach
In missions with reserves I'll have like 6+ units off table, two of which will be core units. Reserve units are counted for company morale, meaning that you literally cannot break me by merely killing everything on the table for many turns. Once the enemy gets tired of running at me I will run at them. There is really no other way to win as a defender now, I have to break them. You have to grapple with all my stupid support units, because as I said you can't win even if you kill all core units that started on the table. I will lose units, the goal is to simply maximize my number of wins as a result.
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In v4 no point change at all?
Even Russian tanks getting discount for dump?
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>>51856203
Some of us did take Typhoons, and now suffer even more for it.
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>>51856080
> take Moscow
> a city that made Stalingrad look like a cake walk in terms of defences

Yeah, no.
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What spray can primer should I use on my US models?

I have pattons heroes box.

Does anyone make OD green spray primer?
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>>51858329
had to be done, tovarich

i am looking for ways to break Kampgruppe Hummel in the new LW meta....any good ideas?
hint: i want most of the points in tanks...
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Anons, how cheesy is an all Panzer IV Afrika Korps list with a single Tiger and escort Panzer III? I'm new and Flames of War looks pretty interesting.

>>51856057
How does Artillery work?
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>>51856080
>Taking moscow
>when even with all your kraut space magic, you forgot how to into coats
>Thinking that the Slavs would just give up their capital when Stalin is right there with the NKVD shooting anyone who runs

The Germans didn't have a hope in hell. They stretched their supply lines way too far and knew it wouldn't work. They were mainly just hoping USSR would give up and cave in, but they didn't. After the joke that was Western Europe, Germans didn't expect to actually have to fight a war for once.
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According to Battlefront they've already sold out of V4 stuff.

>Stores around the world have been placing orders ahead of time and in record numbers, meaning we’ve already sold everything we have made for the month of the launch. This amount of stock would typically last us for 60 days upon release, however, it proved to be a conservative number despite being based on projections exceeding those of Team Yankee.

So there's that.
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>>51861413
>they're trying to sell their monthly "we can't get you your product" as a good thing
It's hard for me to think of the last time my store got a BF product on time. Some of the Bulge items were lost in Chicago on a truck for over a month, for example.
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>Grognard's take on Version Phoar

are they trying to be 1337, /tg?/
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>>51859165
Tamiya does some base-coloured sprays: OD, Dunkelgelb, etc. They're pretty popular locally.
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>>51861087
Not so cheesy, as all pz4 gone the tiger automatically retreat from battlefield and Germans lose and panzer 4 are easliy knocked out like crushed cookies by 6 pdr, provided 2 6pdr crusaders and a 2pdr crusader is still 3 points cheaper than pz4 with long barrel.
A tiger with infantry formation and few AT guns are much more survivable, I think, although the list will suffer when it attacks.
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So I mainly play TY, with a little FoW on the side. Is TANKS worth getting into? How does it work? Which nations are in it and do they play the same as FoW?
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http://www.flamesofwar.com/hobby.aspx?art_id=5465
>'Command' Cards
>With the new edition of the rules and how to build your army comes a new way to add the color and history to your force. Command Cards will add some extra nuance to the process of designing armies. They will cover a variety of factors including organization, doctrine and equipment which will give historical forces a specific flavor. They will allow a variety of specialty army options which add to the standard formations, as well as just giving you the ability to make some units and leaders a little more veteran than others. They will expand the options available to those players who like the extra detail, without forcing added complexity on those who prefer a more streamlined system in which it is faster to get an army on to the table.
>The first command card packs are scheduled to come out after the initial wave of Mid War releases. These packs will be specific to a nation and contain 50+ cards with everything from famous warriors to new objectives to fight over. As you will see below, some of the guys have refered to upcoming command cards in their forces. Although we can’t show you all of the detail now, it is important to understand these cards are coming and will add a new level to the armies within the books.
So, seems like Digital-style content (short little extras) but in the form of a box of cards instead of a PDF/Forces list.

Hopefully this is more "Yeah we ran out of room, here's the interesting stuff" than "Gib moneys for minor variants that we couldn't be arsed to include on three pages of a rulebook"
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>>51862930
That's basically ripped from Warmahorde's book.
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What do you think about this V4 MW German list?

<Pz3 formation>
2x HQ Pz 3 uparmored (16pts)
2x Pz3 uparmored & 2x Pz3 short 5cm (26pts)
2x Pz4 short 7.5cm & 1x Pz4 long 7.5cm (22pts)
3x Pz2 (6pts)

<support>
4x Marder 7.62cm (16pts)
2x sd.kfz 222 & 2x sd.kfz 221 with PzBs 2.8cm (3pts)
2x sd.kfz 231 (2pts)
2x Ju87 stukas (9pts)
100 points total
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So I'm guessing there will be no way to pick 6 MG infantry teams anymore? I'm really enjoying having large amounts of my infantry made useless.
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>>51861551
Yeah, this. They always, always sell way more stuff than they meant to at launch.
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>While we are talking about what’s coming, I’ll mention that both the British and the Germans will have more books in the future. There are plans for a British book covering the infantry divisions, so it will have infantry tanks like the Valentine and the Churchill in it, along with rifle companies and all sorts of new equipment. One of the tanks delayed until this book is the American Sherman tank, also used by the British. While it would have been nice to be able to do everything at once, we just couldn’t, so the awesome new plastic Sherman tank kit will come out with the American book.
Hooray!
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>>51866407
>Don't worry guys, all the shit that should have been in this release will come out later!

Sure, they'll shoe-horn tigers into El-Al, but the shermans that actually were there get cut.

Honestly, they should have taken more time and put things together properly rather than do what appears to be another rush job.
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I'm thinking of getting started with FoW, any recommendations on what I should buy? If possible, give me a list of everything that I should get so I can buy it en bulk and save shipping.
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>>51866759
Let's narrow down some things first.
What theatre and time period do you want to play?
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>>51866695
>Expecting AT LEAST a full year's worth of product releases to all come out at once

This is the same company that constantly underestimates the popularity of their own product and never seems to produce enough for their initial production run of any new release.

And you expect them to have items that will cover almost a full year's worth of releases all ready up front while still maintaining production levels for their other product lines?

They're not Games Workshop. They don't have the capacity to do plastic production on that scale.

That's half the reason the East German spam tank for Team Yankee is in resin, Because they didn't have the plastic production capability to do their new Mid War plastics and do any other new plastic kits for other eras at the same time.

And yet by taking things slow, and planning out their production and release schedule, they ironically get labeled as doing a "rush job".
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>>51867070
Late I guess? I don't really mind, just whatever that will give me the most play time. What I mostly want is, as a complete noob, a list of what I should buy to get started and have enough of an extra amount of units to have some variety and options for games.
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>>51867341
There really isn't one good all encompassing "Buy This" answer.

It really depends on what you are looking to play.

Late War seems to be the most popular era in many areas, so that's probably a safe bet.

After that you'll need to decide which nation you want to play as. The United States and Germany are typically good choices for beginners. Great Britain and the Soviet Union are slightly more challenging to learn to play as, but can be fun once you do.

Almost as important as what nation you choose to play as, is what kind of force you want to play. Your main choices are typically infantry, mechanized infantry(with half tracks), or tanks, although there are also more specialized forces such as commandos, paratroopers, and fortified positions. Each is suited to a different play style.
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>>51867333
>They're not Games Workshop. They don't have the capacity to do plastic production on that scale.
This isn't the problem. The problem is there's Tigers at El Alamein but not Shermans, because they chose to make a Tiger kit instead of a Sherman one. They're doing a half-assed job since Volksarmee apparently showed that people don't care when they do that.
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>>51867935
They already had a Tiger kit. Built with both Mid and Late War, as well as the TANKS game, in mind.

It was already done and complete months ago.

Is it at all historical for El Alamein? No.

But where does it say that the Afrika Korps book is specifically about El Alamein?

Only the new starter set, which doesn't even include a Tiger, is called El Alamein.

As for the Sherman, I'm not sure if either of the existing plastic kits, the US or British LW ones, are correct for Mid War, but as they have stated, the Shermans are coming.
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>>51867935
>Volksarmee apparently showed that people don't care when they do that (a half-assed job)

How so?

People have been complaining about Volksarmee quite a bit.

Spam tanks in resin, the T-55 being a shitty spam tank at all, the T-55 not having a gun-launched guided missile, getting yet another faceless communist horde faction, etc.

People have been complaining pretty loudly about Volksarmee.
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>>51868181
Everyone's mad about the resin tanks in particular, in almost every NVA thread someone will flout the rules and mention the PSC release.
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RIP
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>>51868236
Right, which means that people DO care that Battlefront dropped the ball where Volksarmee is concerned.

Especially if people are blatantly breaking the forum and Facebook page rules to talk about Plastic Soldier Company's T-55s.
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>>51868315
When WWPD begins having misgivings, you know something's fucked up.

http://www.wwpd.net/2017/02/flames-of-war-v4-rules-reviewed-and.html
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Honestly, I feel that people here are panicking a bit too much as well as making some unfounded assumptions.

Yes, I do agree that a lot of units in Mid War not getting stats right away is a waste. However, I can understand this from the perspective of rebuilding MW from the ground up after not doing anything with it for more than an entire edition.
I just wish we had at least some get-you-by lists there, but BF doesn't have unlimited manpower to get that done either.

However, some of the other whining here is way overblown.
>These changes without updating the points costs will utterly wreck balance.
These changes do less than most 40k edition changes, which also preserve points values. I'd say we're probably fine here.
And if something does turn out to be horribly broken, I'm expecting BF to patch it reasonably quickly.
>Muh tigers at El Alamein
Afrika Korps covers all of the North Africa campaign in Mid War, including the bits in Tunisia. It makes sense to include the most iconic German tank of the war, especially if the plastic kit is already designed.
IIRC, the 17/25 pounder wasn't around for El Alamein either, but I don't hear whining about that one.
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>>51868503
>IIRC, the 17/25 pounder wasn't around for El Alamein either, but I don't hear whining about that one.
Probably because it's blatantly only included so that the brits have a way to kill tigers, since the 6pdr got nerfed (and the stats are ahistorically awful. Really, same AT as the Pak 40 ammo using 7.62cm?)
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>>51868503
>making some unfounded assumptions
>on the internet

That's kinda par for the course.

Get some half-accurate "facts", blow everything out of proportion, and then claim it's absolutely horrible and will ruin everything.

It's like you don't understand how the internet works.
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I adore the Berlin Kampfgruppe list for LW for the sheer variety in troops and options it allows you to field.

Are there any other lists that have such open ended construction to them, particularly in EW or MW?

I love the idea of forces that utilize everything and the kitchen sink, also desperate militia-type forces. Do you think we'll ever see Belgian or China EW lists?
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>>51867341
The Open Fire box on ebay or amazon is a great start for Germans, and a reasonable start for the western allies.
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>>51867341
>>51871195

Yeah, you can't do much better than the open fire box for getting started as the Germans. It gives you 3 StuG III's , lots of grenadiers and 2 PAK 40s. You could easily add on a couple other plastic boxes of tanks and have a list ready to go.
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>>51870205
"Everything and the kitchen sink" is mostly a Late War thing, especially for the Germans in the Desperate Measures and Berlin books.

Although there are some cases of that with the Americans as well. They get access to a scrap yard tank platoon in the Battle of the Bulge book where you can field a mix-up of various hastily repaired vehicles.
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I just want to know what the isu152 did to deserve the treatment its getting in v4

Points the same
Rof0 on the move
Gun goes to Reroll save instead of no save

Why would you ever take a 152 when you can have 122s

There will be heaps of units that never see the light of day thanks to new rules old points
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>>51868368
>http://www.wwpd.net/

their opinion matters?

i did see the bit on the main site about possibly doing a recon force w an expansion card (oh joy, i have to card now), but other than that, i think the day of the mono-build is fast approaching.

new releases will only create more monobuild...
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>>51867333
>Expecting AT LEAST a full year's worth of product
Updated unit listings, oy vey. Have some more wehraboo kool-aid. They released half a handful of lists, and tell us to wait for anything remotely close to usefully diverse in selection, you know, so people can properly support and show off the new edition.
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Grenadier and some artillery HQ.
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>>51875020
Should we tell him about the spotters and staff teams?
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>>51875046
Don't be so cruel, David!
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>>51875046
Something wrong with them? I thought I built them correctly.
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>>51875266
Anon, I... we're so sorry.
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>>51875266

In V4 staff teams, gun platoon command teams and all but one observer per force have been removed.

They look great though, BF or PSC infantry?
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>>51875266
They're gonna get erased with V4
Cheers.
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>>51875465
Grenadiers are from PSC, and staff team is from BF. Other teams are mixed of PSC and BF.
Well, I don't know what should I say about it.
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>>51875266
Mein Fuhrer

Mein Fuhrer... they are getting rid of HQ teams for artillery and at guns in V4.
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>>51875673
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I looked over the V4 rules and Hen and Chicks now gives a +1 to hit with main guns if any tank moves. No mention of reducing ROF for the stationary tonks.
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>>51875626
For what it's worth, I'm the first anon, and they look sweet, but I weep for you.
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>>51875465
>>51875524
>implying anybody is gonna use that shitshow over v3
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Also THIS BOOK IS EXTREMELY CONFUSING. Stationary infantry don't block fire, but this fact is buried in an aside for a completely different rule. I cannot find any other mention of this important fact.
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Am I only one thinking East Germany emblem looks like McDonald's?
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I needed a little modeling project, so I asked one of the local germans if I could borrow one of his Panzer IIIs and make a detachable Bergpanzer platform for it. I think I did ok, given how slopy the RL ones looked. Unlike all the models I've seen, which looked to be based off some ideal factory plans instead of the fairly improvised layouts I saw in pictures.
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>>51875739

we need to know everything about V4 Hen & Chicks

this IS /tg/ after all....
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>>51875739
What does it do to glorious soviet machine gun comrade?
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>>51876914
Not him but H&C does nothing to machine guns in V4. WWPD was full of shit (as per usual) when they said it affected MGs.
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>>51877196
>WWPD was full of shit (as per usual) when they said it affected MGs.
Or possibly they got an early draft of the rules. There's differences between the leaked half-done ElAlamein rulebook and the summary sheets people have posted from the V3->V4 conversion books, so it wouldn't surprise me to find they got an early copy and BF did some tweaks.
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>>51877311
Ssshhh...

It's more fun to pretend that the semi-official podcast that serves as Battlefront's mouthpiece was completely full of shit, or just god-awful at actually interpreting the advanced copy of the rules that they received.
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>>51877196
Cyka blyat

I was worried for a moment..
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>>51876468
Goddamnit now I can't unsee it.
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>>51878793

Fucking No Guts No Galaxy

'Affiliated' podcasts are suuuuuper toxic to communities in my experience. In the case of Mechwarrior Online they're essentially contracted employees with the appearance of independence. Echochambers for their own little fanbase, sniping at other groups and quashing completely valid criticism.

WWPD was really solid for a while there, I'm sure being bored of FoW wasn't the only reason Steven moved on to Armada. Something about working directly for Battlefront must have been pretty disillusioning.
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For a bit of a change in topic, here's my most recently painted unit.
Should give me a nice starting infantry option to field for my TY Soviets.

Next up on the painting list: the vehicle bits you can see up top and a pair of panzerfaust SMG teams for my WW2 Soviets.
I might add the second minimum-sized Motor Rifle platoon I have as well, plus the comany HQ team.
That would mean I only need to get a second unit of BMPs to field an infantry formation or a second pair of Hinds for an Afghantsy formation.
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PSC just posted on facebook that many of their products will be increased in price starting on March 1st.

Get your goodies while you can, I guess.
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>>51882250
did they say by how much? I was waiting for their 25% off sale
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>>51883314
They gave a 1/72 example in pounds, and that was as a "price per vehicle" thing.
At the very least they're also raising Zvezda kit prices by 50 pence since Zvezda themselves are also raising prices.
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>>51882250
curse all those remoaners interfering with the plastic toy supply etc etc
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>>51883314
Looks like 2-5% across the board. I expect they're taking a big revenue hit, given how gentle the price rise is compared to the drop in pound, but maybe their sales are mostly internal.
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Is there a way to find out what units are found in what book?
I really want to play crocodiles (sherman or churchill), but I dont want to search throught every book.
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>>51883314
When does PSC usually have their sales?
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>>51884418
Use fowlists and search for British Armored for shermans or British Rifle for Churchill and Crocodiles
The main brit books you can search in are Overlord and Market Garden, there's stuff in Road to Rome and Nachtjager (means night hunter) but it's more "special" kind of lists.
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>>51884418
If you have a Forces Of War account (signing up is free), you can search by item and get a listing of all platoons and forces that thing can be used in.
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>>51884418
its called google you massive faggot
kys
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>>51884418
>>51887070
samefag
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Bumping with the pain of playing the Volksarmee.
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As someone who briefly played 2nd edition (US Infantry, LW, Normandy), is there any sort of changelist for most books, or do we have to wait for everything to be released again, with the only forces being brits and krauts for Africa for now? Any idea when US book for Africa will drop, since neither me nor my new group want to play the bong side?
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>>51890281
There are books that let you play V4 in EW and LW with the appropriate V3 army books. As for V4 in MW your fucked... at least for a while if you don't want to play the vanilla Bong and Wehraboo lists. Though the US and Italians along with unit cards adding more for the British (and maybe Germans?) will be on their way after this first release period. Meanwhile I'love be dying of old age before we get the Eastern Front.
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>>51890281
Next wave for US in Mid War will be July. GF9 spoiled it with their preorders
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>>51890486
I wonder if the Honey box will build the Stuart and if the Grant box will build the Lee.
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>>51890562
The Honey is just a name the crew gave them, they're basic M3 and M3A1 stuarts.
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>>51890402
Which books, if you would be so kind to point me to it? I know it's a "google it, tard" question, but honestly, I'm entirely out of the loop since Anzio book.
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>>51890700
There are some TY and some other miscellaneous books in here but this should cover most of the V3 books. You can find pretty much all of them in the Scans database.

>http://www.flamesofwar.com/default.aspx?tabid=79&CategoryID=2488&filter=
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>>51889261
Them some skytrex T-55s at the bottom?
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>>51890700

The latest books you need for Normandy are Overlord and Atlantik Wall, they should both be in the scans database.

Part of the V4 release is a booklet that updates all the special rules and equipment in these books for the new edition. The points won't be as balanced (recce way too expensive, guns probably too cheap), but it'll get you playing with the new rules.
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>>51890951
Yessir bought them before PSC announced they were doing T-55s. Definitely a reasonable option for both looks and price. 25 USD for 3.
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Since V4 is basically out, and I don't like it, I'm just going to finish working on the V3 Berlin forward detachment I shelved like 6 months ago in the naive belief I would like the new edition. The hardest part is simply formatting it because I'm old. How would a monkey like myself learn to make a fancy document like BF does in their briefings?
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>>51891446
Just start with a PowerPoint document. Set your page size, throw in a beige background. Look at a Battlefront document as a reference and use shape and text boxes to start formating. You can layer shapes to get better details.
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>>51891549
Ok, I've figured out the basics. My entire family except me is on vacation, so I'll have an ugly looking list done by this time next week. Some options will be missing simply due to difficulties reverse-engineering the right points at this time.
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>>51892119
Hop on the discord if you have any questions or if you want us to look at your drafts.
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>>51892337
I will, I mean it will take me that long just to make a sane-looking draft.
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>>51850871

Hey guys, I bought Open Fire like 6 months ago and after taking forever to build them I saw 4th was coming out, so I held off learning the rules.

Anyway, I've been reading Battlefront's blog stuff on 4th and it seems to be quite simplified. What's the established communities reaction to it? I'm getting into Flames of Skub here am I?
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>>51893529
>What's the established communities reaction to it?
A confused mix, anywhere from "This is perfect and solves all my problems" to "Battlefront is Hitler and is ruining everything"
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>>51893566

I kind of feel like I'm on the other side of Rage of Shitmar now.
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>>51893598
Personally I fall on the "what the hell battlefront?" side. I like about 1/4th of the changes, but the other 3/4ths are either baffling or outright stupid.
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>>51893670

The armies seem to be a bit smaller at 100 points or is that just me?
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>>51893839
They changed the point scale for mid war, 100 points there is about the same as 1500 points was in V3. Late War and Early War aren't getting points changes because it's too much work for them to do. LW especially, there's 4 pairs of large compilation books on the US/UK vs Germany fronts alone (for Overlord, Bulge, Market Garden, and Italy).
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>>51893839

If you think of 100 points as 2000 in the old Mid War books, proper medium tanks (Pz IV) seem about the same, i.e. expensive. Guns cost more and infantry might cost a little more. Recce vehicle and light tanks are crazy cheap now though, even veterans.

With multiple formations you can take 60 Stuarts at 100 points. A good example is Vet British Universal Carriers, they used to be 3 for 90-100 points in the old system, in V4 they're 3 for 2 points. Small tank units, recce and anything without a dedicated AT gun have got much cheaper.

This creates problems because 100 point games quickly become unmanageable and bog down unless both sides are running their mandatory expensive tank platoons. I despise the rules for T72's in Team Yankee so I don't run many, but that means I spend all game trying to move around a seemingly tiny 6x4 table cluttered with vehicles and wrecks.
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>>51890486

>M3A1 Sherman

>M3A1

>M3

uhm, the fucking typo, or is this the pre-sherman we speak of?
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>>51890486

plastic Lees, Stuart's, and Priests?

nice.
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>>51894076

Yeah, nothing makes me cringe more than the T-72 car park.
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>>51893529
I think it averages out somewhere around "I doubt it will be good, but I'm willing to try it out before I form an opinion".

(THat's at least where I stand).
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I'm planning to decal up my DAK forces.

Any DAK-specific decal sets anyone can recommend?
I normally use PSC sets, but they don't seem to have DAK stuff.
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Anyone playing a game this weekend?
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>>51895951
Battlefront is hosting a tournament in Pittsburgh. 1775 LW.
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>>51894129
Almost certainly a typo for M4A1.
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>>51895951

Trying a game based off the new mid-war lists, but on a Normandy table (close terrain, hedgerows, fields, woods and villages)

Test to see how the new lists compare to the converted LW lists when we get them in a weeks time, in prep for a Caen campaign.

Personally, just one of my tests to see if I should be supporting this system or finding something that better represents 'command'
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WIP Format for some MW Soviet Airborne unit cards.
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Cheers.
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>>51897350

I'm going to jam so many fuckin' sources into **, you have no idea.

Made my night, thanks for the unit card. I hope Battlefront are ready for the power of the potato.
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>>51897475
Hop on the discord if you want the PPT file. It's set up so you can easily change all the field.
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>>51893529
>What's the established communities reaction to it?

Generally speaking?

Human sacrifice! Dogs and cats living together! Mass hysteria!

Me, personally? A bit more along the lines of wait and see. I actually like the Team Yankee rules that 4th Edition is based on, but without actually playing a 4th Edition game, I don't want to jump to conclusions.
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>>51897350
Kek

Cheeers.
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>>51897350
Sources

Company of Heroes 2[1]
Enemy at the Gates[2]
Call of Duty[3]
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Question;

So as far as I understand, my Pak40 guns are essentially immobile due to them being, well, fuckhuge guns. I know there are towing mechanics in the game for this situation, mainly for artillery, but what are the specifics?

Can my halftracks pull the pak 40s, or do the Paks have to have a specific listing saying they get towing vehicles?
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>>51900082
Guns can generally only be towed by assigned transports you get at list creation.

However, they can be wheeled short distances by their own crews in most cases.
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>>51900138
Fair enough, thanks.
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>>51895951
where did you get that stellar brick terrain?
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>>51898976
You just love using that damn quote, don't you?
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>>51902623
He does, and he's also annoyingly fond of a system with seriously issues *cough*command distance and morale*cough*.
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>>5190262
It' is a favorite line of mine from one of my favorite movies. I love the original 1984 Ghostbusters. And it applies so well to situations where people might be overreacting with how freaked out they are about something.

>>51902888
Command distance is a bit odd, but so far I haven't run into any morale issues. But i'm not running any fuck-huge platoons either.
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It's that time again...

Time to ask the Funkmeisers.

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeOBxEJbNzS_Ec7I76zQmCU9P7o0C5bAgcXriKQ4bOWBp4QkA/viewform#responses

We'll be answering more questions from our audience in our upcoming episode.
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Hey Shermanon if you're around...

Do you know if the people at yggdrasil are thinking of going midwar or staying late? We're thinking of expanding from our open fire typey stuff and it would make sense to sort of go with the flow of the local community.

We haven't gotten around to going in yet though.
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Pak 43 and neb41.
Sandbags are from FoaN Egyptian blister.
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Bump.
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>>51903849
Looking pretty good so far.
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>>51903307
Since several people have HUUGE desert armies, we're definetely going for MW. Let's just hope it's good enough.
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>>51908780
Cheers.

Also I emailed them eons ago wondering the deal with the membership fees and never heard back. Is it per month? per year? can one go and play and see how it is before putting the money down?

Private clubs are weird.
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>>51908799
Membership is per year, and you're more than welcome to go and play a few times first (I think the rule of thumb is that if you're there and playing more than twice, we want you to pay).

I didn't even know "we" had an email...
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>>51908814
I dunno, the site lists Magnus as the contact person and provides an email address. Thanks for the info, I really appreciate. If it was a monthly fee we were like... EEEEEEH since I'm above the age barrier where the fee goes up. And 200 a month for that would be a bit... well. Nääää.
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completely missed the news about 4th edition. Not too sure if I should be terrified or optimistic. On a side note, anybody know when the BTR60s might be scheduled for release? Looking forward to doing a mass of T55s and BTR60s
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>>51909221
With the Russians in like July.
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Does anyone make staghounds!?!
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>>51910480
I thought italians were in July, or are they earlier?
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>>51911014
Battlefront do, at least.

Maybe skytrex?
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>>51911176
I don't know the exact date, but they're coming the the next TY release which is Russians.
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>>51911342
OH ok, I thought you meant MW russians.

My understanding for MW is that they're acknowledged that Americans and Italians come after all the current pre order stuff has been released.
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>>51909221
>completely missed the news about 4th edition. Not too sure if I should be terrified or optimistic.

That seems to be the general consensus. A lot of people are worried, especially about their Late War stuff and if the balance is going to get totally screwed. But there are also sime people who at the very least are willing to play it a few times before they decide if it's good or if it's complete shit.

>On a side note, anybody know when the BTR60s might be scheduled for release? Looking forward to doing a mass of T55s and BTR60s

They'll be part of the release wave for the expanded Team Yankee American and Soviet forces, which I believe are getting released over the summer.
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looks like we have 2 bartosz's here in /tg/?

there were 2 in Discord.

>at least Eagles n' Co' know me, voice and all...
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>>51914005
There is another?

I hope we gave the correct one the Funkmeister privileges on Discord...
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>>51914270
wait, i think i figured it out....
Discord may have sensed my original registration window being open, but M said he was likely given the role...was bartosz on earlier than today? if so, he wasn't me.


sorry, now.... onto the glories of V4!
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