What the actual heck happened to RPG.Net? I used to frequent

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While we're at it, what /tg/ thinks about this place?

Same thing as what has happened to /tg/ and the world - whiny little bitches run rampant.

>>51828855
It's shit.

Also, checked.

>>51828724
I distinctly remember a thread on RPG.net where someone said "there's a player in our group that's really nice and friendly, but I looked on his Facebook profile and he posts pro-GamerGate stuff and has Vivian James as a background thing, what should I do?".

The replies went something among the lines of:

>Ask him why he is so intimidated about women in gaming
>Kick him the fuck out or directly confront him about supporting a hate group, make sure it's during or immediately before the game too
>He's trouble brewing, don't be fooled by him being a genuinely nice person even to the women in the group

I was never emotionally invested in GamerGate or all the garbage that surrounded it, but that thread pretty much turned me away from that awful shit site forever. There was so much hypocrisy concentrated in one thread that it was the straw that broke the dire camel's back.

Oh yeah and apparently one of their mods, and plenty of their users apparently, think
Golarion, Pathfinder's default setting, is racist. Which is kinda laughable if you know what kinda political climate Paizo staff and writers tend to latch onto.

https://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?637500-So-Golarion-seems-kinda-racist


>>51828855
Better than RPG.net, but way too obsessed over 3.5 and Pathfinder for me to really go there more than once in a red moon.

Other than /tg/, are there other places to talk about tabletop games that aren't piles of shit?

>>51829225
dakkadakka, but it obviously has its subject biases.

>>51829225
You basically have to choose between sites dominated by neo nazis and sites dominated by SJWs. Given that you're already on 4chan, probably the neo nazis are the lesser evil in your book.

>>51829313
I've found /tg/'s culture to be crass but overall fairly inclusive, actually. It's weird.

>>51829313

I don't think 4chan is really that nazi though.

There's just always been a subset of people who come here to troll and shitpost, and now instead of needing even rudimentary levels of topic awareness they can just say nigger or cuck and get the attention they want.

Personally I come here due to the speed of posting and not having to suck the dick of famous posters 24/7 so people will take my opinions seriously.

>>51829345
Yeah I think /tg/ is the best you can get honestly. I've seen /pol/acks get shouted down just as much as the SJW-bait posters. Obviously anonymity results in a lower signal-to-noise ratio with lots of trolls and bait, but you just have to know not to feed the trolls.

The only other place I can think of are hyper-focused reddit subs like /r/minipainting. People just post their miniatures and get criticism and there's no bullshit about politics / current affairs, just hobby-talk.

>>51829345
Eh, you don't notice because you're used to it, but in everyday life people don't really use "jew" as a verb or take any opportunity to go on their own tangents about the dangers to the white race.

>>51829357
There's an interesting phenomenon these days, people who are insincere Nazis doing it as a game rather than out of sincere belief. I saw a twitter rant about how this actually grew out of gamergate, let me dig it up...

>>51829225
theRPGsite is okay, if slow.

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>>51829380
1/4

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>>51829396
The whole issue of how major neo nazis have managed to mobilize essentially apolitical 30somethings is interesting...

>>51829380
Well I did say 'fairly'. Despite the frequent use of 'Jew' as a adjective or derogatory term (along with faggot etc) I've not really seen anyone who wasn't an obvious troll or autist (woop there i go) saying something like women/black people/whatever shouldn't play games. Actually, now that I think of it, most threads starting with "omg how do i treat this girl that joined my college group" normally go along the lines of "have you tried speaking to her like a human being", followed by calling each other virgins, then someone brings up anarcho-feminism and the thread goes to shit.

>>51829357
4chan is only nazi in that our political activists are nazis

likewise tumblr is only SJW in that their political activists are SJW

The large majority of each site is mostly just artists and perverts and pervert artists, but you can't write a clickbait article about 'drawfag makes fat possum waifu, userbase amazed/appalled' so the screeching political cancer gets all the attention

>>51829404
Because the entire political machine these days is oriented around the fact that scared old people are the demographic who vote the most, so usually the winner is whoever can scare the most old people to their side

>>51829345
4chan isn't inclusive, it's culturally strong.

>Think ancient China:
Native culture doesn't change, even when conquered.
Visitors are welcome, but visitors adapt. Quickly.

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>>51829416
(forgot image, crap)

But gamergate, which lead directly into the rise of neo nazis being a big thing in politics and getting Mr Tiny Hands elected, managed to politicize the average middle class white gamer, a usually apolitical group.

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>>51829445
So the current political machine has no way to handle them; Gamergate and its descendants have focused on politics as a tool to amuse yourself and indulge in cruelty for fun, rather than something you should actually care about and believe in, and the traditional right and the left have no way to appeal the same way, so far.

Heinlein put it best, I think. "Easier to get people to hate than to get them to love."

>>51829441
Very well put, I wouldn't have thought of that analogy but it's perfect.

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>>51829479
And, despite the claims of 4chan not being that Nazi, 4chan follows this exact same pattern, of attacking and infiltrating "SJW" spaces for entertainment rather than out of belief. See the image; people tried to equate pedophelia with nonbinary gender identification and legitimize it through leftist language, entirely as a way to discredit and mock the left.

It's just a really interesting and very new development in politics, and no one's really got any idea of how to handle it.

>>51829380
>>51829396

That's actually backwards from what I was saying friendo.

At least here on 4chan, it's not that GG galvanized a bunch of nerds into bitter white nationalists so much as politics has given shitposters the fucking philosopher's stone of shitposting.

/po/ vs SJW is the easiest fucking thing to rile people up with because everyone now has super thin skin and a hair trigger. You don't need to actually be familiar with a board's topic now to cause everyone to sperg out. Just call someone a nigger, say women suck on a particular topic, bring up Muslims, etc and presto, you can rack up a maxed out or closed thread faster than any skub fight or edition warring.

/tg/ gets hit hard by this because for years we've been posting screencaps saying we're untrollable combined with our autistic impulses to be right and win every argument. You won't see shit like this on /a/ because they shut that shit down quickly or ignore it.

I love /tg/. I've loved it for soon to be 9 years now, but you fucks need to learn to report, hide, and move on with your lives or you're going to encourage more shit in the name of (you)s.

>>51829396
>writing a novel in a 140-character format
Why?

>>51829546
>everyone now has super thin skin and a hair trigger
Some do, but a lot of it is trolls trolling trolls.

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>>51829563
because it's there

>>51829541
I think it's not so much about SJW spaces as it is about to enturbulating self-righteous hypocrites. Look how much the site loved trolling Scientology, or hell, all the flak old 4chan gave conservative moralfaggotry.

>>51829546
It's kind of a feedback thing, the thing Morgan there brought up plus the thing you bring up, each getting the other climbing higher until it determined who won the goddamn US Presidential election.

What I think is interesting is /tg/'s flaw, the compulsive need to be right, is exactly what tumblr has too, plus the superiority complex. tumblr and 4chan is actually a fascinating symbiotic relationship because 4chan thrives on starting drama and can't be happy unless it has someone to bully, while tumblr thrives on following drama and can't be happy unless it feels like the underdog against the evil empire.

>>51829563
Well, if you already have a significant follower count, it makes sense. Also, people are more likely to read twenty individual 140 character messages than one 2800 character rant.

>>51829617
See, that's the original point; they're essentially apolitical, they'll attack whoever's an easy target to rile up for their own amusement, not because they actually believe in the rhetoric they spew.

>>51829640
You're telling me the relationship between 4chan and tumblr is S&M?

>>51829640
tumblr and 4chan are essentially mirrors. Yin and Yang of internet losers. Both websites for the societally marginalized and mentally unwell, both focus on fiction and sex (and often combining the two) and both with fringe socio-political views. But tumblr is feminine and loves identity politics, while 4chan is masculine and anonymous. While tumblr focuses on what the world should be (and assumes it should change to accommodate what people are like), 4chan focuses on what it is, and assumes people should change to function in the world. The problems are the same, the perspectives and solutions are opposite.

>>51829672
tumblr has a concept, called Kismesitude, coming from this comic a lot of them like. It's essentially a sexual relationship defined by mutual hatred rather than love. This type of relationship is represented by a spade(<3<) rather than a heart, and honestly I think it's the best way to summarize the dynamic between 4chan and tumblr.

>>51829757
Frenemy isn't usually sexual, and the concept implies something deeper than that, a hatred and rivalry that comes to define you, to the point where it's as important as any normal relationship is, and you wouldn't know what to do if you actually won. Like if Batman and the Joker were acting essentially the same, but also fucking.

It's from a comic that has a lot of nonsense words like that, too.

>>51829757
They do the same thing on tvtropes. Go over on to /m/ and say the word Macross Missile Massacre, and it'll instantly out you as a newfag.

The proper term is Itano Circus.

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>>51829785
Oh fuck. Apparently this concept goes back to 2010. Not only is there fanart and fanfiction about the two hatefucking, it has its own ship name, 4chumblr.

>>51829848
Christ, it's been that long? I thought our primary boogeyman at that time was reddit.

>>51829872
Sure, but reddit is more like 4chan's embarassing sibling. Tumblr is opposite of 4chan in all the ways >>51829688 pointed out, and of course, this way we can draw them as a straight couple.

>>51829688
This makes me wonder, were these respective attitudes inevitable because of the nature of our sites, or could we have ended up the same, or even reversed?

>>51830006
I don't know anything about tumblr's creator(s), but 4chan was created so a 16 year old misanthrope could get easy access to chinese toon porn.

I'd say our fate was sealed from day one.

>>51829396
This twitter thread is bullshit if only for the fact that according to all the polls people have done, Gamergate comes out as mostly liberal and way more in support of Bernie than Trump.

Gamergate isn't the alt-right - they just share a similar genesis in opposition to the growing hegemony of 'social justice' politics. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction, and when academia and segments of 'geek culture' took a turn for the far left, there was a counteracting push to the right.
And since both extremes are completely unwilling to compromise the polarisation is going to keep getting worse.

>>51830006
I think the attitudes were more or less inevitable, and they fell the way they did because of the nature of the sites. 4chan was among the first of her kind, but non-anonymous sites held similar attitudes even if they don't fit it so well, and you'd better believe that tumblr isn't the first site for identity-oriented bloggers. The parts that were, perhaps, less inevitable are the things that grew in concert among both paradigms. Those stem from economic and generational causes, I think.

The other of the big three is reddit, but it's not really the same. Those people are (generally speaking) mentally healthy. Normalfags, if you will. At least comparatively speaking.

>>51830006
It's the nature of the sites. With tumblr, you're able to group yourself with other like-minded people, which creates clusters that usually correspond to the various identities/fandoms/whatever. With 4chan, the anonymous nature means that you're judging the vast majority of users by their current actions, rather than traits and past actions, creating a focus on "what are we doing RIGHT NOW".

There's an interesting similarity to how 4chan's structure causes it to generate more/stronger memes. By it's very nature, 4chan actively benefits memes, as you can't just say "oh look that's a fun post lemme share it", you have to save the meme and repost it, which allows a single infected to spread the meme over a longer time than infected on tumblr. Combine this with the limited archive creating a pressure of "get reposted or die" on memes, 4chan memes are produced more rapidly and spread faster on the site than tumblr memes.

>>51829379
/pol/ will come for us one day you know that right? Treasure what we have while you can.

>>51828724
something I long ago learned when it comes to being on moderated forums, is you need to think before you post, also be polite to the site staff even if you disagree with them

TLDR: apply common sense when on other sites

probably helps that I'm not really bothered by "SJW" stuff, honestly for all that people on this site like to mock "SJW" types for being easy to trigger, 4chan people are in some respects even easier to trigger

also this site would be massively improved if /pol/ and /b/ were purged

>>51830646
We probably wouldn't be having this probably if moot didn't decide to bring /pol/ back to life a 3rd fucking time, seriously what the fuck was he thinking, but now we're kinda stuck with it because they're large enough at this point a purge would just flood the rest of the site with cancer. Instead we just get the water slowly rise and hope somebody finds the drain plug before we all drown.

>>51830646
RPGnet goes far beyond the scope of 'easily triggered SJWs' and into the realms of 'would-be maoist red guards'.
I'm not joking, the extent of the groupthink and disturbing power dynamics is frankly terrifying. The accepted facts are based entirely on consensus rather than evidence and dissent gets you banned immediately.
There was a time when they'd have to find an excuse to ban you by citing rules about personal attacks or cross-site drama. These days they'll just knock you off if they feel you're trying bring nuggets of truth into their constructed reality. Reading some of the more heated threads is like being a fly on the wall in a cult compound.

>>51828724
Dunno, I stick to the D&D subforum

>>51831096
That's probably the safest, and shouldn't expose you to much. On the other hand, last time I checked their anything goes forum (Tangency), they had an image thread about how great punching nazis is.

>>51830889
Care to elaborate? I go on there from time to time. It's definitely a lefty site of the "Respect my pronouns!" flavor, but as far as I can tell they don't expect you to use gender-neutral language or anything too far beyond the pale of normal communication.
I don't really go on Tangency, though. I did pop in to a thread on French suburbs and how French Muslim men had started de facto gender segregating cafes, and there was a lot of apologism that bugged the hell out of me. The most glaring issue being that it was French *MUSLIM WOMEN* who were pointing out that this was a problem that was fucking up French society, but everyone in the thread was doing the "Not all Muslims, there's assholes in every religion," routine and basically down playing the problem as equivalent to male-dominated English pubs where everyone watches sports all day. You know, because a bunch of guys drinking beer and being crude is exactly the same thing as being aggressive and threatening to a woman who tries to order a coffee near where you're sitting.

>>51828855
Shit because of horribly biased moderation. It took years for Giacomo to get banned while people who argued with him got banned left and right. People who gave constructive criticism in the homebrew forums got banned for that, too.

>>51831327
The thing that really turned me off of RPG.net was when people started getting banned for 'talking back to the moderators', except that 'talking back' was being polite and posting links to articles or papers proving their point.

I don't care much for the left/right thing and I'm not a political animal, but there's a lot of hypocrisy and favouritism for long-time. left-leaning posters that makes me stay away. It's a real shame because RPG.net's forums used to be the axis that online RPG discussion revolved around for years and year.

>>51831314
Well have you ever actually punched a nazi before?

>>51831455

Have they?

>>51831476
Oh course not.

>>51831504

Genau.

As for the topic at hand. I have used ENWorld on occasion if I needed an odd D&D related inquiry answered or discussed, but I still stick to /tg/ just because here there isn't such an obsession with who is posting, but rather what is being stated and posted. Even if the discussion can be pretty retarded.

>>51830802
>but now we're kinda stuck with it because they're large enough at this point a purge would just flood the rest of the site with cancer
just permaban/IP ban everyone who's posted on either board within the last 6 months or so

>>51830889
as someone who regularly goes there I'm really not seeing that anywhere

>>51831327
>It's definitely a lefty site of the "Respect my pronouns!" flavor
honestly I see no real problem in that

>>51831444
at that point it goes from "trying to prove a point" to "provoking the bull", if a mod tells you to stop you should just stop, even if you feel you're right

>>51831660
Obviously you've never heard the phrase you're more worthless then a ban on 4chan before.

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>>51831444
The madmin mod on this board removes posts and bans people for stupid shit all the time, just because he does it Phantom of the Opera style rather than in an open, permanently recorded format we're not living in a utopia.

We're living in a utopia because he can't catch us all

>>51830646
Seems like 4chan isn't the site for you. Have you tried >>>r/numales?

>>51831717
while it's true a lot of people would be able to circumvent it, enough people would be lazy/stupid enough to not do so that it'd be an overall improvement to the site's atmosphere

they really need to figure out how to remotely brick devices that are used by someone who's been permabanned, like rather than tell them they've been permabanned the moment they try and access the site their computer gets flooded with viruses and malware

>>51831758
been here for years actually and I'm just fine with it, even with the upsurge of idiots in the last couple of years

>>51831660
>honestly I see no real problem in that
Me neither, desu. I find the "Ze ze zim" shit annoying, but I've never seen rpg.net mods try to enforce that sort of thing. Frankly it's nearly impossible to determine someone's gender status through a forum unless they're really upfront about it.

>>51831800
Did you forget that people post from phones now?

>>51831800
That's actually fairly trivial to do if you have control of the website in question, but I don't think an hiro would risk jail time to fuck up a few /pol/acks computers.

>>51831719

I do recall getting banned a month ago for implying a poster who was degrading women was in fact only doing so because the only woman who would kiss them is their own mother, and even then it was with fake plastic novelty lips.

Honestly I kinda deserved that one.

Also, I came here expecting to see 60 posts of shitting on RPG.net and instead I found thoughtful captivating discussion.

This is why I keep coming here.

>>51830889
You don't see it because generally, anyone who steps outside certain boundaries gets infracted and either scared off, or does it again and gets banned. They appear fairly tranquil because anything that goes against the groupthink is just removed.

>>51828724
It's terrible, but still probably not as aggressively bad as the somethingawful tradgames forum.

>>51829404
Yeah, except it's revisionist horseshit.
At the end of the day, most of GG really was just consumer activism, with outlying troll assholes.
The consumer activists got what they wanted, and went home.
The troll assholes stayed around being troll assholes, but were in such small numbers that they could be easily ignored.
Except a certain goddamn useless subgroup of leftists finds it convenient to have boogeymen around to complain about, so they've pretended that GG remained a viable concern long after they didn't matter.
Guess what? Gamergate didn't stop anybody from, say, going to vote in the 2014 midterms, but I'm pretty sure the left got their asses handed to them. It's almost like progressives decided they cared less about the actual political situation, and more about tilting at every goddamned windmill they could find.
And somehow, that's the fault of 'illiterate adolescents'. Yeah.

>>51828855
the 4E community is ok, mostly because it might as well not be a part of GitP proper.

On the point of why RPG.net is a far-left shithole, unless they've changed the policy since I last visited, there's an explicit rule not to question any woman's account of sexism, which besides creating obvious perverse incentives has ramifications when the most blatant horse shit is posted, since you end up in a situation where people are banned for pointing out that things like that "white male terrorism" article consist of the biggest shitthatneverhappened.txt in the world.

>>51829313
Eh, /tg/ is probably one of the most mellow board on the site. Even homos on /lgbt/ are way more /pol/.

People here hate rpg.net since forever though. You may disagree with their politics but it's not a bad place to discuss rpgs especially less popular ones. There a lot of sage greybeards there who really know their shit, just stay out of Tangency and you're golden.

RPG.net is a good place to get ideas and ask people questions and for a different kind of engagement than what you get on here.

Antagonizing the moderators of literally any site thats useful is stupid if you want to maintain access. Free speech isn't a thing on the Internet and your peen doesn't get bigger because you got banned for calling someone a faggot off 4chan.

Make use of it. Hang out here. Literally everybody wins.

>>51833214
What's the point of joining a site with the intentions of discussion when you can be banned for doing so much as stating the "wrong" opinion on something?

Say what you will about 4chan but at least I can call people faggots for reckless faggotry and not have to worry about a reputation or the moderators shitting on me for not being PC enough.

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>>51828724
RPGnet was always shit

http://thealexandrian.net/wordpress/8216/roleplaying-games/rpgnet-and-me

>>51829479
>>51829445
>>51829404
>>51829396
Fuck off, SJW

>>51829546
>/po/ vs SJW
Those origamifags are at it again.

>>51831660
>>It's definitely a lefty site of the "Respect my pronouns!" flavor
>honestly I see no real problem in that

Well well, a cuck among the wolves.

>>51833654
What's the point of political grandstanding on a forum about pretending to be an elf?

>>51833651
>Those origamifags are at it again.
Maybe they've had enough of people calling their hobby cultural appropriation...

>>51832561
>there's an explicit rule not to question any woman's account of sexism,

So if a woman accused RPG.net of blatant sexism, their mods couldn't question it without getting banned?

>>51835043
You've made the mistake of thinking they're not massive hypocrites.
They don't follow their own rules.

>>51831719
Long live the utopia and long may the mods not reign

>>51828724
Didn't they forbid all discussion of Deadlands on RPG.net by virtue of it portraying the Confederacy as somewhat sympathetic, claiming the setting was racist even though the Confederacy in Deadlands abolished slavery and the game outright says not to focus on the racism and sexism that was common in that era unless you really want to?

>>51829345

/tg/ had a massive swing to the right in the last couple of years.

Hell, we were /d/lite, /totally gay/

We often had bara generals and the like

>>51835216
No, they banned it because it's a product from a competing company.

>>51835226
Has that changed?
We don't have bara generals because they're off-topic, not because we've become prudish conservatives or something.

>>51835226

I'm glad that shit is done with. Remember, the majority of people aren't fags. Now that the pendulum has swung back, it's back in the closet with you homos.

>>51835226
>>51835367
>>51835226
It's because /pol/ has supplanted /b/ as gateways to 4chan.
In days of yore, most people entered 4chan through /b/, which had no agenda, no morality, no culture, no nothing, other than being mostly opposed to mainstream and being offensive and also that being an asshole to cats (and most animals) wasn't okay. You were just as likely to catch a kitty cat pictures thread, as you were to get burned corpses or shitty incest porn comics, which was all in good fun. It was all about do whatever the fuck you want and not about having a consistent board opinion and community.
Now people come in through /pol/ and they think the entire site shares those same interests or opinions. They think every other board is just a subforum for /pol/ to talk about dem damn kikes and homogays ruining everything forever, damn lefties. Say what you want about those faggots from /lgbt/, but at least they don't bring their cockmongling ways into every discussion and make it all about that. And it's not about being a thin-skinned leftist tranny faggot, I'm just sick and fucking tired that every place is shat up with this kind of stuff. You can't throw a lighthearted jab at either direction anymore without instantly getting caught up in a shouting match or being banned from more heavily moderated places.

>>51832630
So basically, Tangency is rpg.net's /pol/?

>>51835043
If they're the flavor of internet hypocrites I'm used to, she'd get called a dude, or accused of internalized misogyny, or gently and very patronizingly 'educated' on the subject (if they don't shut her up with the good old not-my-job-to-educate-you).

>>51835609
>Say what you want about those faggots from /lgbt/, but at least they don't bring their cockmongling ways into every discussion and make it all about that.
/lgbt/ is hilariously /pol/ except on a few gay/trans issues though. It's uncanny.

>>51835645
>So basically, Tangency is rpg.net's /pol/?
Kinda, but they are nowhere close to the "looking to be offended and demand for blood" level of crazy that /pol/ and some parts of tumblr are into.

>>51829152
>>He's trouble brewing, don't be fooled by him being a genuinely nice person even to the women in the group
that had to be bait/falseflag

>>51829225
/tg/ is also a pile of shit

>>51835648

If that's true, then the /lgbt/pol/ ship is all the more appropriate. In what way are they similar.

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>>51829225
What do you mean "other than /tg/"?

>>51835966
>In what way are they similar.
It mostly manifests in homos and trannies calling the other kinds of homos in trannies that they don't approve of degenerates, campaigning for "traditional relationships" (as in one masculine homo/tranny and one feminine homo/tranny) and general racism. Shit's bizarre.

>>51835648
Yeah, which isn't surprising when the regressive Left wants to import people that want to fucking murder them.
Still, they don't go into every thread with "WHAT IF HE WAS SUCKING COCK, THO?"

>>51835966
Turns out that being homosexual, bisexual or transexual doesn't make you an automatic proponent of inviting uneducated, undeveloped people with no intention of applying themselves in a positive way to society. Sexual preferences and political and societal opinions aren't linked.
An incredible number of /pol/tards are also not white.

>>51835226
Reason why /tg/ isn't as magical realm as it used to be is that moderators are more prone to delete NSFW content. It has nothing to do with politics really and magical realm is still relatively common.

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>>51836053

>I want equality for every member of LGBT!
>No, only if they think and act in manners that I deem appropriate!

Horseshoe theory, I love it.

>>51836139
I've always said that /pol/ and SJWs are two sides of the same shit covered coin.

>>51829313
I want to know what TTRPG boards are dominated by neo-nazis cause I haven't really found anything like that. It would be interesting to see do they actually play MYFAROG and RaHoWa.

>>51836153
Except /pol/ doesn't riot, burn down neighborhoods, destroy businesses, and murder people. SJWs do. Big difference.

>>51835609
I think it's more complex than a left vs right thing. I'm a straight-up green party voting liberal socialist and I despise Social Justice as much as any sincerely racist /pol/ack.

The whole thing has become so polarised that if you don't support every tenet of social justice then you're lumped in with the very worst elements of the other side. And every community has had to pick one or the other.
4chan is still one of the most heterogeneous communities (purely due to contrarianism), but as a whole it has largely rejected social justice rhetoric. A such, the opposite side (/pol/) has expanded to fill the void left over.

But yeah, I agree. I'm sick of the current political climate. In order to remain true to what I believe is right, I've had to retreat from every community on the internet I used to be a part of until here I am, posting anonymously on a chukchi ivory carving forum.

>>51836115
>Yeah, which isn't surprising when the regressive Left wants to import people that want to fucking murder them.
That would make sense if they agreed with /pol/ on just that issue, but all other /pol/ opinion are popular excluding the ones that deny that people in this one specific general are people. An easier explanation for the phenomenon would be that "alt-right" is really popular with the kids on this site.

>>51836184
/pol/ is a religion of peace.

>>51836184
That's because majority of /pol/ is just memes and trolling. They're genuinely right-wing and nationalists, but they aren't some "nazi" skinheads who would go fight on the streets.

>>51829380
>>51829396
>>51829404
>>51829445
>>51829479
Try spending a few days away from 4chan, reddit, tumblr etc
Most Trump voters don't know what a Pepe is, and the number that know what gamergate was is even less
Trump won for a lot of reasons, gamergate & /pol/ are minor ones at the absolute most
It's odd that you criticize one poster for not being able to see 4chan's lexicon while buying into the whole "/pol/ memed Trump into the whitehouse" crap yourself

>>51835243
>competing company

Who owns rpg.net? I thought it was Skotos Tech, who has fucking nothing to their name, and there's a bunch of different games from every publisher under the sun mentioned in threads

>>51836228
>The whole thing has become so polarised
"Social media" was a mistake

>>51828855

i used to leech off that site to run forum games but literally never interacted with anywhere outside of the forum game section. there was a time where the archaic methods to free forums hadn't updated to mobile yet so GitP was the only place you could check off your phone, for a time.

>>51836267
Trump won because he promised to bring jobs back to America.

>>51836184
Did you forget the shit that went down when Obama was elected already? None of the fat virgins on 4chan of either side are going to go out and do any damage, but don't act like both sides of this retarded argument aren't exactly the same.

>>51835243
No, it was banned because the creator had gotten himself banned, and at that time RPG.net's policies stated that talking about games which had been designed by banned members was (no joke) a bannable offense.Truly, No Fear, No Hate, Everyone is Welcome.
>>51835609
I'm with you pal, and as a political moderate, it's a shit-show every which way that I turn.

>>51836228
Of fucking course it is. I'm honestly glad I'm not from the US, because I genuinely wouldn't know who to vote for or what to fucking do anymore, because the entire shitshow seems unsalvagable to a point where starting over seems the only sane alternative.
In my country the ruling parties are also practically identical and have been demonstrably incompetent for the last 17 years, but at the very least they aren't as offensively corrupt and dangerous as the entire circus called US politics.

>>51836359

he won because of the email leak scandal against clinton. the electoral college members that voted to antagonize their districts were interviewed and they all admitted they only voted trump because of the wikileaks releases that same week.

kinda like how it was all planned or something, right? nah. couldn't be.

>>51836375
There weren't riots, torture, or murder when obongo was elected. The right came out and demonstrated, sure, but they were organized and peaceful demonstrations. The left on the other hand burns, loots, and kills because the American people rejected shillary.

>>51836139
Too bad it's absolute horse shit. As much as you may mistakenly believe, Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia weren't very similar politically or culturally.
>>51836228
I basically just don't watch the news or follow politics any more, it's too depressing. It's sad too because I used to pride myself on being politically informed, but the SJW and Alt-right rhetoric just disheartens me and makes both sides come off as absolute lunatics, but in starkly different ways.

>>51836359
Not just promised, he actually delivered. Even before the election he had already saved more American jobs than king nigger had in his whole 8 years.

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>>51830563
I agree on the different nature of the sites producing different "cultures" (Tumblr's reblogging system lets people follow groups and people they're interested in but can also create "echo chambers" where people circlejerk over some specific thing and ignore everything else, while on 4chan everybody is anonymous which leads to every post having to be judged by its own merit but also makes shitposting very easy).

However, the flakiest Tumblr users being on the extreme left of the political spectrum and most of the flakiest 4chan users on the extreme right I would not consider to be inevitable. The right wing nuts love their echo chambers just as much as the left wing nuts do, as anybody who'se visited Stormfront or similar site can attest. In case of Tumblr it's probably that when the site was still new it ended up developing a large-ish "echo chamber" with SJW-people, which led to other people with similar view joining the site. At that point it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, as people on the right wing of political structure would avoid the site due to its association with SJWs. However, there's no particular reason why it couldn't have gone so that the people who frequent /pol/ found the site first and started using it to reblog their stuff, leading people to associate Tumblr with nazis instead of SJWs.

In case of 4chan, the site being more on the right in general (even if we ignore /pol/, which was intentionally made as "alt-right, the board") is probably due to that being the average political leaning of the major user demographic ("antisocial teenage nerds" to put it bluntly). Although I think the average political ideology of 4chan users isn't strictly speaking right-wing, but contrarian (i.e. they dislike the "mainstream" ideology, regardless of what the mainstream actually is).

>>51836441

No, but they both had secret police and political assassinations.

>>51835534
That's the thing, now that the right wing is in the spotlight, expect 4chan to swing back to the left from a combination of contrarians being contrarian, oldfags salty about unfulfilled promises, and newfags disillusioned with the government and looking toward the other wing to solve the world's ills.

It happened when Obama got elected, no reason to think it won't happen again.

>>51836359
Oh sure he may have been able to win over a few unimportant states by doing that but come on anon, the real reason he won is because some /v/tards shitposted on twitter

>>51836483
Unlikely, given that /pol/ remains solidly right-wing and by population they're one of the largest boards. They're also much more aggressive about proselytizing, and will easily be able to keep 4chan right wing. If they do move in a counterculture direction, it will likely come in the form of moving even further to the right, or shifting to a different variety of right wing politics.

The idea that they would swing left is basically a fantasy. Right wing politics have become too entrenched in their identity to change. The newfags that they're bringing in are drawn their specifically because it is right wing, and they will continue to reinforce that even if a handful of people shift left.

>>51836483
> oldfags salty about unfulfilled promises
They won't believe that the promises were unfulfilled. They'll go on believing that Trump actually kept his word even if he doesn't because anything that might say he didn't keep his word is dismissed as fake news.

>>51836359
Trump won because he promised to make things like they used to be, which is impossible and what the majority of Americans wanted. When you lose your job because the company collapsed due to stock market investments, when you see your kids not being able to afford college or find a job when you could easily do both, when the passage of time has brought new issues you don't know how to deal with, the past looks great in rose colored glasses. And anyone who promises that things will get better for you after you've struggled, as opposed to someone who says things are good when you're hurting, is who you will follow.

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>>51836397
>at that time
Does that mean it's not coming back, then?

>>51836483
When you say swing left do you mean go back to being libertarian?

>>51836522
You are probably correct, and this is the time where the contrarian trend will end.
Every time in the past the general culture has swung against the prevailing political winds. But now the winds are blowing from every direction at once; it's a tempest of shit. People will hunker down in any shelter they can find.

>>51836413
>University of Mississippi didn't happen

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>>51836576
they were making memes about obama instead of the then republican candidate, but i guess you weren't around to see that

>>51828724
/tg/, seeing the beginnings of this thread, I was expecting rage, and
/pol/ lite. Instead I found reasonable discussion and an odd lack of shitposting.
So, I just want to take a moment here and remind you, y'all are awesome, and in this thread, being the people Mr. Rogers knew you could be.
You remind me why I stick around here, /tg/ for all our edition wars, shitposts, and faggotry, can indeed, still get shit done, and do so intelligently.
Stay awesome, /tg/.

>>51831431
>Giacomo
Who?

>>51830646
>>51831660
>>51831800
>I don't have a problem with SJW
>/pol/ users should be banned FOREVER
>no, actually they should have their computers/phones BRICKED
>if a mod tells you to stop you should just stop, even if you feel you're right (read: disagree with us? DING DONG BANNU)
Color me surprised

>>51829688
I am so going to quote that, thank anon.

>>51836849

Nice dick stroking.

>>51830159
So, when are we going to see Far-Center contrarianism?

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>>51828724
RPGnet was always shit, it's just that they now revel in their own plop.

>>51837344
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_(Animal_Farm)
Seventy-one years ago.

>>51828990
>Same thing as what has happened to /tg/ and the world - whiny little bitches run rampant.

This. Remember when you could play roleplaying games on the roleplaying game board?

Then some whiny faggots realized that if they whined loud enough and long enough and dodged enough bans, the mods would cave in because it was easier to give the crybabies what they wanted than having to clean up their constant shitposting. Now we have a separate (dead) board for roleplaying games that nobody goes to because nobody outside of /tg/ knows what a "Quest thread" is.

>>51839677
Quests have pretty much nothing to do with roleplaying.

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>>51834493
>What's the point of political grandstanding on a forum about pretending to be an elf?

It's like a middle-school kid going into a kindergarten class to impress them with his ability to use swear words.

>>51829445
>gamergate
>getting trump elected

Nope.

Trump got elected because all American babyboomers are retarded braindead uneducated tools that think they don't have jobs because of the Chinese and Mexicans, instead of just realising that they are obsolete wastes of flesh because a robot does their job better faster and for less money.

>>51831872
>Did you forget that people post from phones now?
Not anymore, Hiroshima is banning mobile networks.

>>51836184
>Except /pol/ doesn't riot, burn down neighborhoods, destroy businesses, and murder people. SJWs do. Big difference.
What about that guy who shot up a pizza restaurant because /pol/ told him they were keeping lolis in the secret basement?

>>51841426
Yeah, how odd that the only casualty of that attack was the owner's laptop. How odd that the camera pointing straight at the building was disabled shortly before the attack. How odd that there's no solid witness testimony.

Really makes you think.

>>51837344
Because people get more upset when you don't pick a side than if you pick the opposite side.
Because YOU GOTTA HAVE ONE OF THESE PRE DETERMINED IDEOLOGIES TO FIRMLY BELIEVE IN or else YOU'RE SILLY
Also because you can't radicalize genuine apathy.

>>51841426
>Guy with an acting career
>Just shot a computer
>Even if it was a legit conspiracy theorist, he didn't shoot anyone and peacefully surrendered to the police

Anon, you gotta try harder than that, if you go anecdotal.

>>51829152
Well they're not wrong.

>>51835216

Did they? because i remember seeing threads about it

>>51832095
On SA you can tell someone who needs to fuck off that they need to fuck off, so it's pretty different.

>>51829396
>>51829404
>>51829445
>>51829479
How self centered do you have to be to think that gamergate decided the course of the US election?

>>51828855

Pathfinder General: The Site.

>>51843560
My general experience of tabletop shit is that you can play card, board, and some war games with people you're politically opposed to but not tabletop roleplays. People's instincts on what's good or bad behaviour inform how they have their good or bad characters perform, so if you're a liberal RPing with conservatives you're going to hit the point where you're suggesting actions that don't seem justified to people sooner or later, especially if your campaign gives you a lot of power or authority.

Conversely anyone who taps 2R and has to bring up their opinions on the migrant crisis is insane regardless of their leaning and should be dumped ASAP.

>>51841337
god dammit, I miss shitposting on the can at work

>>51839914
Go back to bed, Moviebob.

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>>51839914
Trump got elected because a lot of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck and would be bankrupted by an unexpected $500 expense, and Clinton ran on a platform of "the last eight years were so great we could really use four more years of it," while Trump was the one talking about changing things. Doubling down on the identity politics strategy, thinking that the working class in the rust belt would always vote D no matter what, and simply being the biggest establishment politician in an anti-establishment year just helped seal things.

>>51835216
>even though the Confederacy in Deadlands abolished slavery

What's the point of having the Confederacy if you're not gonna make it Steampunk Nazi Germany?

>>51844318
Basically how Obama got elected, but making fun of Trump because of the color of his skin (orange) isn't racist.

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>>51843973
>People's instincts on what's good or bad behaviour inform how they have their good or bad characters perform, so if you're a liberal RPing with conservatives you're going to hit the point where you're suggesting actions that don't seem justified to people sooner or later, especially if your campaign gives you a lot of power or authority.

I'll admit, I would love to see how this could play out.

>>51843973
I wonder if that goes both ways as far as the political divide. A lot of lefties - the guys at least - enjoy a lot of earnestly conservative stuff, lIke John Milius movies, or ironically conservative stuff like Verhoeven movies, even if it doesn't represent their personal convictions. If it was the only game in town, I might be able to LARP my way through it.

Not sure if the opposite is true. Are there even a lot of actually left-leaning games out-there, beyond marginal stuff?

>>51844677
Blue rose?

>>51836139
This should be /his/ not /pol/ since this picture shows Bomber Harris in action.

>>51844733
Who?

>>51830646
> this site would be massively improved if /pol/ and /b/ were purged.
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

NO.

OK, you know how Shit gets flung every time Quests are brought up? Take that, make it about political opinions and shitposting, multiply it by ten, and then paste it across every board on this site. That's what happens if you remove /pol/ and /b/.

>>51830646
>something I long ago learned when it comes to being on moderated forums, is you need to think before you post, also be polite to the site staff even if you disagree with them

But what if the mods are vigorously policing the forum of any possible sign of wrongthink?

The problem isn't that people are acting like a bunch of trolls straight outta 2006's /b/. There are plenty of stories of people being perfectly civil but still getting banned for going against whatever narrative is stroking the mods circle jerk at the time.

>>51839677
yeah, no. Quest threads had only tenuous relevance to RPGs/roleplaying and their cancer drowned out half the board at their height, all of them populated by 4 anons circle-jerking. If people were really that into RPing on this board then the quest board would also be doing well, since all the (allegedly numerous) RPfags would transfer over.

Except there weren't that many and /tg/ is better for being free of their clutter.

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>>51845158
>their cancer drowned out half the board at their height

>>51844992
That's why we come to 4chan. At the end of the day it's not the mods, it's the community that's the problem.

>>51845158
Here's the thing. Yeah they cluttered up the board, but they at least weren't malicious trollposts. I'm not saying that removing them was wrong, but their presence did keep the shitposting to the second page for the most part. If new, original content had filled up the blank space that would've been great, but instead it's shitposts that have done the job.

>>51829396
>>51829404
>>51829445
>>51829479

So basically, nerds have to chose between a side that constantly bitches and nags about the problematics and toxicity of the entertainment they have based their life around, and another side that doesn't give a shit about it.

Gee, that's a tough call.

>>51830203
If 4Chan and Tumblr form a Venn diagram Reddit is the area where they overlap. I have no doubt that many Tumblr and 4Chan users have crossed paths on Reddit without being any the wiser. Reddit being the highest profile means that it brings in the most new blood who eventually discover Tumblr and 4Chan, figure out which they prefer, and become a user there too.

>>51836115
> /pol/
> not white
No shit. Lots of Chinese, German, Indian, Japanese, and Russian posters.

>>51836115
>>51845613
Somebody post the comic.

>>51836618
And that's because Obama had Kek's favor. Romney's campaign was a joke. Romney "browning himself" for Univision still cracks me up to this day. Paul Ryan's gym photos were pure cringe.

>>51844677
Blue Rose, Pathfinder (Golarion)...
Other than that I can't think of any with an obvious political leaning in the published material. Maybe owod.

>>51828724
Censorship Nazis.

Stopped going there when I realized I couldn't stand the people.

>>51828855
Decent place, but it's all 3.x.

>>51845439
Not true on every issue. Consider, for example, feminism: tumblr believes that women are disadvantaged by the system and that this is an injustice which must be fixed, and people who assert otherwise are oppressing them. Reddit believes that men are disadvantaged by the system and that this is an injustice which must be fixed, and people who assert otherwise are oppressing them. 4chan believes that people should stop whining and get on with their lives.

>>51845225
Why does it matter what page a thread is on, assuming it's not dead?

Does anybody not use catalog view?

>>51844677
>>51844733
And anything made by White Wolf and Onyx Path.

>>51845323
Exactly

>>51829404
>These are the guys who work in STEM

Oh come the fuck on. Actual feminists are trying to get more girls to take STEM degrees while this troglodyte says HURR DURR STEM BAD. NAZIS DERE. Fucking hate this bullshit. I've got a daughter who wants to be an egineer and I couldn't be more proud, but I am so worried she'll see shit like this and think "I'll be a shit stain Twitter whore who gets pleasure from shitting on other peoples fun"

Blog post over. Sick of this shit

>>51829412
This is actually rather on point.

>>51839677

Wait when the fuck did we have a free for-

Oh you mean quests....

get the fuck out!

>>51839677
Quests threads aren't RPGs. Deal with it. Go to tgchans quest board if you don't like the one here.

>>51844558
that fucking comic lmao

>>51829313
Nah. This site is irronically Nazi.
They just point their hate to the current extremes plaguing society and this time it's modern leftists with retarded behaviour and the public elite supporting them (the Clintons , a few news organizations who don't care about integrity, a few rich individuals with extreme ideologies).

I've noticed a common trend in people who bitch about how "shit" /tg/ is when it comes to games discussion are usually just mad that someone disagreed with their opinion. They got their fee fees hurt because someone said "no" and now they're mad.

Usernames forums tend to just become hugbox echo chambers of like minded people with the same ideas and same opinions, the fact that you can discuss fucking ANYTHING on /tg/ and get a fucking argument between a dozen different posters with a dozen different opinions is its greatest strength. People don't have to fucking agree all the time. Because you can get so many goddamn different viewpoints on /tg/ it's the best place to come for a deeper understanding about any given game.

If you don't like /tg/ because it's NOT a hugbox then maybe you don't fucking belong here.

>>51829396
>>51829404
>>51829445
>>51829479
Maybe just maybe the current "liberals" have become far too indoctrinated and obsessed with asserting their various bonkers ideologies and thus put white men in a spot hey pick either us you CIS WHITE PRIVILiDGED MALE or you are a Nazi like those guys over on 4-chinz!
People jusr want to distance themselves from loony social politics.

Also get back on topic....This is only vaguely /tg/ related.

Amusingly, I post both here (duh) and on RPG.net. DIfferent sites, different cultures and etiquettes. I don't see the problem.

>m-muh censorship!
Then go fucking post your screed somewhere else, dipshit. There's a whole fucking Internet out there, and RPG.net is just one forum.

>>51830646
No. /pol/ is needed so they can vent and not bleed over into other boards. Just like this thread that got derailed.

>>51828724
It's basically every tumblr stereotype you can think of.


I gave up a couple of years ago, everything was so dull and I knew I'd be banned eventually if not.

>>51847359
Excellent point. Why the fuck do we tolerate /pol/ when they don't stay contained? Time to excise the cancer at the source.

It's been mentioned in this thread a few times, but why do people say oWoD is racist? Nearly every Werewolf book I own goes on about how great native cultures are. Or is that also racist?

>>51847437
They've never been forgiven for writing that splat book where Blood Purity was a stat human characters could have.

>>51828724
Funny enough, right now on RPG.net there is a thread where they're discussing "Why is our moderation policy so strong-army and vaguely leftist?" And the answer is: "Shitposters from 4chan once threatened to destroy the website by shitting up all the threads. We redesigned the website to drive them away. Every time we stop, they come back to shit up all the threads again. So we've resigned ourselves to being this way forever."

>>51847497
"We have always been at war with Eurasia."

>>51844558
I like what Marx is saying in this comic but wouldn't the party have already paid for their weapons and food?
As for the conservative and liberal stuff. I'm a lib and I've played with some cons and we all seemed to get along okay. I may have briefly inserted my socialist ideals into the game when my character became a land owner. But I justified it as having my character be extremely altruistic to the point he was okay with cannibalism if it meant others would survive. That character was lizardfolk, btw.

>>51846742
That's what you took away from that? She was saying that the stereotype of Trump voters being uneducated is wrong, which it is. Not that STEM is evil.

>>51847274
>people who bitch about how "shit" /tg/ is when it comes to games discussion are usually just mad that someone disagreed with their opinion
This.

>Usernames forums tend to just become hugbox echo chambers of like minded people with the same ideas and same opinions, the fact that you can discuss fucking ANYTHING on /tg/ and get a fucking argument between a dozen different posters with a dozen different opinions is its greatest strength. People don't have to fucking agree all the time. Because you can get so many goddamn different viewpoints on /tg/ it's the best place to come for a deeper understanding about any given game.
And this.

>>51829396
I can't be the only one who thought (s)he was making a sick burn for a second, right?

>Str8
did not read as "straight" to me for like, 2 beats.

I was genuinely impressed at the precision shit talking for a brief second.

>>51847274
I don't think /tg/ is shit for games discussion, but it's almost impossible to have a thread about 3.5 or Pathfinder because of one single fucker who trolls every single thread of it into oblivion because he doesn't want people talking about them.

>>51848133
>because of one single fucker who trolls every single thread of it into oblivion because he doesn't want people talking about them.

>Everyone who disagrees with me is a troll
>Everyone who disagrees with me is the same person

Fucking classic, anon.

>>51848170
There's a difference between disagreeing with me and derailing a thread where someone was asking for character building help.

There's also a difference between disagreeing with me and posting the exact same arguments in the exact same way with the exact same images ad infinitum. It's pretty easy to tell it's him.

>>51847342
>I don't see the problem.
Buy a mirror

>>51828724
I'm not normally on the SJW name-calling bandwagon but RPGnet is an example of a place where the criticism is true. Progressivism is used as a way for the mods to be petty tyrants and censor anything/anyone they don't like the look of.

>>51837344
The center has collapsed.

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>>51847665
>I like what Marx is saying in this comic but wouldn't the party have already paid for their weapons and food?
Most likely.
Second part for closure's sake.

>>51848261
When center becomes like Benjamin, shit is about to hit the fan

RPG.net is the only place that I know where the mods can go "we've reviewed your 2-month ban, and decided to extend it to a life sentence"
But they're the gateway to rpgs on the net due to their name, they must have a lot of stupid newbies coming.

>>51845225
>If new, original content had filled up the blank space that would've been great, but instead it's shitposts that have done the job.
Yeah, who could have thought that removing the place where most OC content was posted would chase the writefags and drawfags away? What a surprise.

The problem was making all quests belong to /tg/ in the first place. As a result we had things that would have been better on /a/ or /v/.

>>51844558
>Ayn Rand
>chaotic good

>>51847497
>"Shitposters from 4chan once threatened to destroy the website by shitting up all the threads. We redesigned the website to drive them away. Every time we stop, they come back to shit up all the threads again. So we've resigned ourselves to being this way forever."
So what you're saying is "4chan succeeded"?

If someone claims to be from RPG.net, I just ban them from my table because reasons.

>>51839677
Moot set that precedent with global rule 15. If screaming and flinging feces everywhere gets you what you want, why should I even consider being civil?

>>51848554
Well, 4chan just provided the mod scum with minimum amount of credibility.

>>51835645
Clearly the solution here is to get a prominent transwoman to criticize them and then sic tumblr, reddit, and so on onto them.

"Prominent RPG site misgenders woman, ignores her experiences of sexism, and censors her for being transgender." would set those attention whores into a frenzy.

>>51848604
That actually already happens though.

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>>51828724
the mods are postmodern feminists (AKA female supremecists). postmodernism is a far left anti reason, anti science, and anti humanism philosophy that does not believe in resolving disagreements through discussion, reason, or compromise. they usually resolve disagreements through force, coercion, shame, ostracism and violence. thus you can be banned from that forum for disagreeing with a woman.

postmodern feminism is probably the #1 source of the SJW plague. do not involve yourslef with them, they will eat you alive if you do anything they dont like.

>>51829396
>the nerd nazis
Classic.

>>51848554
I feel like a parallel could be drawn between terrorists being used as a scapegoats for curtailing liberties.

But then, terrorists actually kill people, so it'd be in bad taste.

But then this is 4chan so w/e.

>>51829640
>See, that's the original point; they're essentially apolitical
Wait so they're apolitical nazis?

>>51848646
RPG.net is a hive of scum and villainy where it's impossible to voice any opinion because the only way you're staying there is deepthroating the cocks of the admin and mods all the time, so that leaves little chance for "voicing" anything, but you can garble and moan for their pleasure (don't expect to be rewarded or anything, it's like their natural right to have you do that, check your privilege CIS scum).

This said, your grasp of postmodernism is so laughable it probably came from alt-right alt-fact sources, and that is sad.

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>>51848723

If anyone ever knew Scans_Daily in its fall the current environment/moderation of RPGnet reminds me a lot of that.

>>51847342
I'm with this anon. Same boat too.

>>51844677
>I wonder if that goes both ways as far as the political divide. A lot of lefties - the guys at least - enjoy a lot of earnestly conservative stuff, lIke John Milius movies, or ironically conservative stuff like Verhoeven movies, even if it doesn't represent their personal convictions.
Yeah, honestly, I'm borderline communist in terms of political identity but as fantasies, being a heroic ubermensch who can reshape society alone is fun.

Also, I think the issue with defining "left leaning" games is that most people confuse the political left as a whole for identity issues of liberals; see "Pathfinder is a left-wing RPG", which is based more or less entirely on the fact it has gay people in it. In practise, it's pretty right-wing; enlightened dictatorship is the best form of rule, nationhood is a strong identifier and the world requires strong people with no legal ties to solve all it's problems.

>>51848746
>most conservative ever
>51% don't support capitalism

Young people aren't left or right, the cold war discourse has just outlived it's lifespan by about twenty years and everyone's realising that it's not applicable to the world anymore. The establishment slower than everyone else.

>>51845723
Eclipse Phase

>>51848860
>enlightened dictatorship is the best form of rule, nationhood is a strong identifier and the world requires strong people with no legal ties to solve all it's problems.
That's just leninism

>>51836411
>the electoral college members that voted to antagonize their districts
What are you even talking about? Electors changing their votes from Clinton to Trump? That didn't even happen, what's your source for this?

>>51849050
I figured the "autocratic" bit was implied; Pathfinder doesn't really have anything analogous to dictatorship of the proletariat. National consciousness I'll grant you, but the role of the vanguard party being a party alone suggests that you can't have five real swole guys go off and punch capitalism to death, let alone the fact they're primarily for organisation and development of class consciousness.

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>>51841470
>>51841532

Where are the lolis?

>>51848536
>Karl Marx
>neutral good

Odd you'd pick out the figure who hasn't got millions of deaths attributable to their ideological descendants, what terrible things did the objectivists do exactly? Hurt your feelings?

>>51849097
Which is actually a good time to ask: How many right-leaning people would have fun in a campaign where you were meant to be formenting a revolution to establish a socialist state? Because I'd probably enjoy a campaign where we were Conan-style ubermensch usurping a crown. Fuck, I like playing Vicky II and that's all about being the worst kind of capitalist.

>>51848261

The center cannot hold. The Falcon cannot hear the falconer.

>>51829380
>Eh, you don't notice because you're used to it, but in everyday life people don't really use "jew" as a verb or take any opportunity to go on their own tangents about the dangers to the white race.

I suck dick on the regular, I am *well* aware what would happen to me if any actual nazis rose to power.

/tg/ is an oasis of neutrality compared to many other places, one of the "safest" "spaces" on the internet for people like me.

By "people like me," I don't mean other faggots, I mean people who, like me, don't give a *fuck* about your politics and just want to talk some god damn game. Who don't want to constantly police our words to avoid accidentally saying whatever the current meta has declared counts as "hate speech" even though it was fine and everybody used the phrase two weeks ago.

Anon culture is very very rough, but it's not because Anon is an asshole (though anon is often an asshole.) It's a defense, like the hazing you give newcomers in a tough job - you have to know if they can hang before they're let in. If you're the kind who screams and cries at hearing me say "faggot," you're the kind who'll ruin the good apolitical thing we have going here so we're going to actively chase you out before you get embedded.

Anon culture is *honest* in a way you find nowhere else.

>>51849166
The thing is it's not apolitical. Look at this exact fucking thread.

(I mean, the idea of non-political action in general is ridiculous, since everything's politics to someone, but 4chan is hilariously far from being "apolitical" it's not even worth throwing in)

>>51849121
To be fair, we have the benefit of hindsight.
Marx was radical, but I don't think he imagined the depths of absolute cruelty people would go to in pursuit of his ideals.

>>51849273
>The thing is it's not apolitical. Look at this exact fucking thread.

It is apolitical in the way that matters the most: I'm not going to get punished for my unpopular views.

>>51849121
>implying that writing a book that people then murder others over makes you bad
whelp looks like god's a prick because the crusades happen, and it's about time we lock up the dude who wrote catcher in the rye, that fucker basically kinda sorta shot John Lennon!

>>51836441
Yes, mein comrade we must fight for the mother/father land and twe must ensure that society is kept on track by subjagating dissent by chucking them into the gulag camp

>>51848554
>If someone claims to be from RPG.net, I just ban them from my table because reasons.
Well then you're a judgemental prick.

>>51849273
>the idea of non-political action in general is ridiculous
The idea that the way I take a shit is a political statement is whats fucking ridiculous. Only ideologues believe everything is political. Or that all actions are rather.
>since everything's politics to someone
Just because someone considers something to be X, does not mean it is X.

>>51849902
That disagreement is politics, though. If everyone agreed on things we wouldn't have any need for political systems at all. Tyranids don't need elections.

Taking a shit is a real bad example; a lot of people consider squat toilets more primitive, and the way Japan has so many bidets as really exotic.

>>51849333
There are specific rules to various parts of 4chins and people get banned. Its not apolitical here, it just matches up with what you like so it seems neutral.

You can not care about various political movements, ideologies, etc. but that doesn't necessarily separate you from them.

the amount of water people use to flush toilets and paper usage are resource extraction based in globalized markets thus political

>>51849936
>That disagreement is politics, though
Only in the sense in that I disagree with that politics is all encompassing. A difference of opinion is not necessarily political.
>Taking a shit is a real bad example;
No, it's a great example because it points out how patently ludicrous the idea of "everything/every action is a political action." is. Let's take another example. Is a crying infant performing a political action? Is an infant that has begun to crawl performing a political action?
>a lot of people consider squat toilets more primitive, and the way Japan has so many bidets as really exotic.
And that does not mean that it's political.

I don't want to infer your motives anon, but other people I have spoken to (or read their literature) who want to make absolutely everything or every action political are generally totalitarians who want to politicize everything in order to control every aspect of your life in the name of their glorious ideology. Regardless if they are on the right or left.

Now *a lot* of things and actions in this world is absolutely political, but in no way everything.

>>51849273
It's largely /pol/ that's made 4chan political, who'da thunk it.

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>>51833485

>>51828855
I got warned there for swearing and for having an animated gif avatar. If they don't want animated avatars, they should just fucking disable it. Bunch of retards.

>>51828724
The mod team on this site tracks people down to other sites they visit by their email addresses and IP addresses and bans them for saying mean things about their site. The mod team is probably watching this thread right now to try and figure out which of us have accounts there.

You think I'm joking, but I'm not. Those people are fucking insane, and they will ban you for talking shit about them on other forums.

>>51843950
You mean it's all Pathfinder, or all weebs? Or is there a difference?

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>>51845746
Bullshit. /r9k/ is literally 'life as a straight white male is hard: the board', and it shows up all over the site (watch people defend male-only groups in weekly threads).

And Reddit has feminist stuff as well as chauvinist subreddits. It's just a really well-designed site for creating your own echo chamber and hearing only what you want to hear (and auto-banning people from your subreddit who post in the wrong subreddits, so there's no possibility of cross contamination).

>>51850379
>i'm fuckin' white!
Every time

>>51831800
>remotely brick devices
>for posting on the wrong board
Either this is a 10/10 troll or something is seriously wrong with you.
This is guilty-by-association tier bullshit that wouldn't have been out of place in Stalin's purges.

>>51850169
>The mod team on this site tracks people down to other sites they visit by their email addresses and IP addresses
How do they know their IP addresses are visiting other sites

>>51850401
/r9k/ is also derided by the rest of the site and is not typical of 4chan.

>>51850460
Okay maybe not those, but they do track people down by their emails to see if they're talking shit elsewhere. The mods there are paranoid as shit.

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ITT:
39 mentions of /pol/
28 mentions of tumblr
22 mentions of SJW

Who are you guys and what did you do to /tg/?
Also, reminder /tg/ began as a containment board because people otherwise spammed WH40K on other boards.

>>51849124
>How many right-leaning people would have fun in a campaign where you were meant to be formenting a revolution to establish a socialist state?
Ask the nazis, not even shitposting

>>51849124
>>51850801
I think it's inevitable that if the GM gives them the foundation for a revolution, they're going to take a hard turn to Stalinism at best. You can't force the players to conform their actions to the GM's political ideals.

Unless they're really good roleplayers and their characters were created ahead of time as a bunch of Trotskys.

>>51850801
The 'nazi' can't even agree amongst themselves. Just go ahead, go ask /pol/ about religion (christianism vs paganism) and if the earth is flat or not.

Enjoy the fireworks.

>>51850987
>Enjoy the fireworks.
Why? Are Muslims involved?

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>>51850649
My goodness, a conversation on a topic includes terms relevant to the topic.

Look, the problem with RPGnet is emblematic of a wider cultural conflict. You can argue that we shouldn't be having the conversation at all and I would be sympathetic. But it's going to happen regardless of who wants it because of the invasive nature of the problem and I'd rather it happened in its own thread than find its outlet in unrelated ones.

So how about contributing in a productive way rather than driveby reee-ing.

>>51851083
>Look, the problem with RPGnet is emblematic of a wider cultural conflict. You can argue that we shouldn't be having the conversation at all and I would be sympathetic. But it's going to happen regardless of who wants it because of the invasive nature of the problem and I'd rather it happened in its own thread than find its outlet in unrelated ones.
Pretty much this. The culture war is at it's peak and it is impossible to avoid discussing the subject because everything is polarized.

>>51851083
>>51851243
I think what happens on RPGnet is far more a community problwm than a signpost of "culture war". It's not the only community to fall into this kind of moderation shithole, and the content/topics of a community don't actually matter with regard to that.

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>>51851083
>So how about contributing in a productive way rather than driveby reee-ing.
You seem to have forgotten where you are; if you can tell who-is-who on an imageboard you are automatically a fag on account of being a mod.

But briefly ignoring that and try to be "productive".
I feel the same way with SJWs as I do about GG and Trump.
GG (and Trump) both became bogeymen (or bogey[gender neutral pronoun here], whatever) for the left. SJWs (and political correctness) became the bogeymen of the right.
It is being blamed for a lot of the shitty things in the world, most of the time, the relation is only tangible at best however.

Without a doubt a lot of RP sites are going down the drain right now because shitty management bans people because of their opinions instead of their behaviour.
The problem with that is not ideologies. The problem with that is shitty management.

And speaking of being "productive"; posting on /tg/, no matter what your opinion, is NOT productive to help RPG.net.
Why? Because RPG.net most likely doesn't read /tg/, and even if they did; why would they give a fuck what we say? Most of us go here and not there for a reason.

And, hey, I don't care what goes on on RPG.net either, otherwise I'd go there instead of here.
And thus, here is my input:

Stop talking about it.

I summarised that in a few words, that wasn't good enough for you and your high horse, so enjoy this long ass tl;dr instead.
Faggot.

>>51850069
>Only in the sense in that I disagree with that politics is all encompassing. A difference of opinion is not necessarily political.

I think this is where we disagree, then, because that's politics. Your opinions are your politics*. Narrowing stuff down to the left/right axis and the "Let's not talk politics" atmosphere is why we have such an apathetic population.

*to be specific, social opinions are politics, but I don't know any private activity there isn't some person with an opinion about, and the "This matters/This doesn't matter" disagreement is a social one.

>No, it's a great example because it points out how patently ludicrous the idea of "everything/every action is a political action." is. Let's take another example. Is a crying infant performing a political action? Is an infant that has begun to crawl performing a political action?

Infants are kind of hard to ascribe any sort of intent to, but the act of having children is political (look at the VHEM, for example).

>And that does not mean that it's political.
It is, though; middle east is a land of primitives, Japan is a land of eccentric hypertech. This stuff influences our views, even if it's banal.

>I don't want to infer your motives anon, but other people I have spoken to (or read their literature) who want to make absolutely everything or every action political are generally totalitarians who want to politicize everything in order to control every aspect of your life in the name of their glorious ideology. Regardless if they are on the right or left.
>Now *a lot* of things and actions in this world is absolutely political, but in no way everything.

I don't really care how you take your shits, personally, but I think looking at stuff from the POV that actions are political tends to make people more conscientious. Not constantly, but it's a nice non-religious WWJD.

>>51851243
>it's

>>51849121
Karl Marx is on the opposite end of political spectrum from Ayn Rand.

Thus they cannot share alignment.

Thus Ayn Rand cannot be chaotic good QED.

>>51850401

The fact that you don't understand that being a man (whiteness has nothing to do with it) is hard shows your privilege.

>>51851533
I'm pretty sure at least one prominent RPGnet mod is or was on the /tg/ IRC

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>>51828724
>the mods have gone absolutely bonkers.
It's always been lefty-SJW bonkers. Nothing has changed.

>rpg.net still shit. news at 11

>>51849121
Does that mean Jesus is on the hook for the Thirty Years War?

>>51831660
Lefty idiot detected. You do know you're a leftist, don't you?

>>51852271
>I'm pretty sure at least one prominent RPGnet mod is or was on the /tg/ IRC
Who's that?

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>>51850069
>[people] who want to make absolutely everything or every action political are generally totalitarians who want to politicize everything in order to control every aspect of your life in the name of their glorious ideology. Regardless if they are on the right or left.

Bingo. This post a winner.

>>51852336
That's nothing, Hamilton is on the hook for world poverty. What a dick.

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My personal experience with 4chan was at first from screencaps of various boards. When I looked around about which board is the best, /tg/ and /s4s/ seemed to be the most consistent at that time. I checked /tg/, /tv/, /v/, and /co/. /v/ and /co/ bored me and /tv/ is /pol/-lite. /tg/ is the only board I continued to lurk and appreciate because of how inspired, relatively sort of level-headed, and sometimes enlightening the board is. Granted there is some "extra-sophisticated" shit, bait, and /pol/ poking its ugly heads, but the fetish stuff is not hard to ignore for me and /tg/ doesn't take /pol/'s shit easy, though it's sad that /tg/ at times falls for bait.

>>51836483
I'm getting tired of hating on Left-Winged heretics. Hopefully the SJWs will go away so I can concentrate on shitting on the Alt-Right. Being an American Liberal sucks when your side is full of idiots who fuck each other over. I actually thought Obama was ok, and despite everything I still voted for Clinton. What surprised me was how well I took the results, though that could be the schadenfreude from butthurt SJWs.
I wonder if in the future of American politics the flavor of ice cream you're eating will create assumptions as to whether you're a commie or a nazi.

>>51848254
In my worldview, being the better person and keeping composure invalidates their view of your opponent that the "other" is bigoted/stupid/insane. Even if that individual doesn't change, their associates may change. I do keep an eye on this belief, however, because I am worried my confirmation bias might make me deaf to contradicting evidence. I know that there was a guy who befriended and deconverted KKK members.
Still, I am worried that giving extremists a platform will allow them to know their own numbers and become harder to smash.

>>51852830
Alright, to flip this around: Where you take dumps or whatever aren't political. Why is it that who you date or where you shop is?

>>51845797
About as many people use catalog as replied to your post.

>>51852974
>Why is it that who you date or where you shop is?
Those shouldn't be political either. If you think they should be, you're waaaaay too deep into the identitarian craziness.

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>>51852926
>flavor of ice cream you're eating will create assumptions as to whether you're a commie or a nazi.

Well obviously if you're eating vanilla you're a white nationalist racist and if you're eating chocolate you're a muslim socialist.

But it's really the strawberry-eating aliens who should be purged!

>>51853068
>the reason 4chan developed a native catalog mode was because nobody was using the off-site catalogs for years beforehand

>>51852974
If you're giving money to a business knowing that they're going to donate their profits to a certain ideology, you're indirectly supporting that ideology. The best method is to steal everything.

>>51853135
I like mint chip.

>>51853102
Yeah, they shouldn't be political, and I'd agree with that, but it's undeniable that they still tie into modern politics.

>>51853166
>The best method is to steal everything.
Also a political statement about the validity of law and authority of your lawmakers or judicary.

>>51853185
Fucken 1-percenter!

>>51853135
I like cookies n' cream with cookies and cream fudge pieces mixed in with more cookies and whipped cream on top.

>>51853135
I like Neapolitan. What does that make me?

>>51853407
You're a mixed-race middle-class citizen?

>>51853474
A Terrible presence on this earth.

>>51853474
Sick with vomit.

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>>51833485
Underrated post.

>"There are members of the moderation team who take great pride in the fact that they’ve never played an RPG. (This fact boggles my mind every time somebody mentions it.)"

>Mods who have never played RPGs
>on an RPG forum

Fucking hell.

>>51853474
While I may hate every one of you all and wish to see your corpses burn, I can at least congratulate you on not being this guy.

>>51844318

Fucking this.

The problem, of course, is that there's no possible way for Trump to actually change that problem. If anything, it's going to get worse and worse as automation gets more and more common. Hillary was a fucking idiot for saying "the last 8 years were great let's have 4 more", true. Trump voters are also fucking idiots for not understanding that Trump can't actually fix the sort of structural issues which cause their problems.

The only - ONLY - way we're bringing back jobs into the US is going to be the same way that industry got clustered in the US in the 40s/50s/60s in the first place. Everybody ELSE's industry has to be in ashes. Unless and until Trump blankets Shenzhen Province in nukes (to start with), nobody and nothing is going to fix the problem of overseas jobs.

>>51847274
but tg is a hugbox lol.

>>51848901
I'm right wing as fuck and I don't support capitalism
I support corporatism

>>51853741
>If anything, it's going to get worse and worse as automation gets more and more common.
Are you ready for the apocalyptic riots that happen when fast food, industrial manufacturing, construction, and all "Entry level" shit all suffer 90% or more loss in jobs due to automation? When RFID tags advance to the point that Walmart doesn't need door security or actual people at checkout? When millions of basement-level jobs vanish without replacement? Because it is going to be fucking apocalyptic and might happen within the next couple decades.

>>51853928
I think people will still want other people to perform social jobs such as check-out or waitering. It's the jobs that don't interact with customers much that will get the shaft.

>>51852037
>Thus Ayn Rand cannot be chaotic good QED.
Or, Karl Marx should be Lawful Evil.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions...

>>51853741
>The only - ONLY - way we're bringing back jobs into the US is going to be the same way that industry got clustered in the US in the 40s/50s/60s in the first place. Everybody ELSE's industry has to be in ashes.
Your understanding of economic history is very, very poor.

The US has been an industrial colossus, the world's largest manufacturing and service economy, since the 1880s. Those clusters of manufacturing developed over 200 years within the world's largest common market (with only the EU exceeding it in 1995, now back to 2nd place with the exit of the UK) behind fairly high tariff walls that were not dismantled until the 1980s. Managed trade with China and other mercantilist states within the framework of the GATT/WTO is what eroded US manufacturing jobs, to the tune of 5m jobs since 2000 AD.

Trade patterns can be changed, treaties can be changed and economic incentives for siting factories can be changed with government policies. That's what Trump is proposing.

Automation doesn't destroy jobs on a net basis; it simply changes job types, as humans shift into jobs that robots or AI cannot do, or cannot do as efficiently on a capital productivity basis (emphasis on the latter). Those clerks will be fixing or monitoring or cleaning clerk robots in 2050.

>>51853474
>I like Neapolitan. What does that make me?
Personally, my favorite type of ice cream is the freeze-dried astronaut Neapolitan stuff.

>>51853972

Regardless, there's a 0% chance that there's going to be enough work for everybody.

Either we get some sort of universal basic income, or we're going to kill off ~80% of the population.

>>51851533
>It is being blamed for a lot of the shitty things in the world, most of the time, the relation is only tangible at best however.
Like how people were afraid to report the rapes of children perpetrated by mooselems because they didn't want to get jailed for being racist?

>>51854063
>Either we get some sort of universal basic income, or we're going to kill off ~80% of the population.

Cheap food and clothing available "for free" from corner vending machines for anyone who doesn't want to work, better quality food and clothing for people who can work within the system

>>51854075
Do you have actual evidence of this occurring, or is this one of those "but it COULD have happened!" situations

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The most patrician community coming through.

>>51854095
>Do you have actual evidence of this occurring
>what is Rotherham
>what is Bradford
>what is London
>what is Sweden

>>51854051
>Those clerks will be fixing or monitoring or cleaning clerk robots in 2050.

Bullshit. A huge chunk of the population simply isn't smart enough to be trained to do that stuff. Likewise, any job that CAN be reduced to a series of "if, then" statements WILL be automated, eventually. It's just a matter of when.

Read the first five chapters of this and get back to the class with a report on why just because something happened a certain way in the past (like displaced workers moving to another field) doesn't mean it's a guarantee for that to happen in the future:
http://marshallbrain.com/manna1.htm

>>51854118
So, no, you don't have actual evidence, or you would have posted it.

>>51852271
Speculations.

>>51854063
It's a cruel irony really. Millions of people killed trying to implement communism and failing.
Finally communism falls apart, capitalism wins out and the ensuing technological explosion creates the post-capitalist world Marx predicted in the first place and we have to implement socialist reform anyway.

>>51854131
You're dumb as a brick, but try to read the report at least.

https://www.rotherham.gov.uk/downloads/file/1407/independent_inquiry_cse_in_rotherham

>>51854131
>>51854307
>The inquiry team noted fears among council staff of being labelled "racist" if they focused on victims' descriptions of the majority of abusers as "Asian" men.
>asian men = muslim men in the UK

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-28939089

>>51854075
No that is you being a retard in order to suit your own beliefs.

If you wanted to misconstruct my argument without looking like a retard, it should look something like this:
>I am going to report this terrible crime to the police and claim it is the fault of Islam despite a tangible relation to the religion
Or
>I am not going to report this crime because they are Muslims and despite only tangible evidence exists I believe the police is racist

Also, I realise now that tangible is the wrong word to use, damn you bad phrasing habits.

>>51854095
>>51854129
>What is Luddite Fallacy and Lump of Labor Fallacy, Alex?

http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/6717/economics/the-luddite-fallacy/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lump_of_labour_fallacy

>>51854131
It happened in Rotherham but London is nonsense and Sweden is people trying to back-justify Trump brainfarting and saying the wrong country or something.

>>51854402

>quoting wikipedia
>believing that the Luddite fallacy means that it is *impossible* for technology to destroy jobs, instead of understanding that all history show is that it hasn't happened *yet*
>inability to understand nuance
>opinion discarded

>>51854520
>Sweden
>“I’ve witnessed turmoil and civil unrest before, but this is something else. It looks like a war zone here”, said a freelance journalist working at the site of the clashes with state television outlet SVT:

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/02/21/sweden-cars-torched-looting-riots/

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/02/21/swedish-newspaper-photographer-attacked-no-go-zone/

>After the attack, the photographer managed to escape to a nearby petrol station where he called the police. Police told the man that no patrols were available to help him and that he would have to get to the hospital on his own.

>“I was shocked for hours afterwards. The police eventually came and I made a complaint about the assault and aggravated theft. They said that the chances of the perpetrators or the camera is found is small. Non-existent,” he said.

No, there are absolutely no No-Go Muslim zones in Sweden at all. Nothing to see here, move along.

>ps: coming soon to a neighbourhood near you

>>51854551
You can shut your eyes to information, but it only makes you stupider.

>>51854402
>implying that applies to general robots
Robots of the past replaced very specific portions of the labor markets. Robots of the future will replace the entire labor market. Once there has been designed a robot capable of manipulating any workbench and trainable to do any task a human can do all bets are off man. Untrained workers won't just be unemployed -- they'll be unemployable.

>>51852926
Did you get /v/ and /tv/ mixed up there?

>>51854849
>Robots of the future will replace the entire labor market. Once there has been designed a robot capable of manipulating any workbench and trainable to do any task a human can do all bets are off man.

There is no such thing as a robot that can do everything, and there never will be. Even today's specialized robots are often quite poor at the jobs they do, and require lots of human training (and a data corpus of human instructions for software). Building robots for specific tasks is incredibly laborious and time-consuming and usually doesn't work (cf. Boston Dynamics). And guess what? Designing those robots creates jobs.

Your car is a robot. Your smartphone is an AI. That hasn't made us all jobless. Your own jobs might not have existed 30 years ago. These "robots/AI will make us all jobless" claims are nonsensical Luddite arguments made on pure speculation with no facts behind them. All the historical evidence and economic theory points to a technological transition of jobs from one sector to another. That's what has been happening for centuries and will continue to happen.

>>51854996
>and there never will be
Now that's a hell of an assertion.

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>>51854996
>There is no such thing as a robot that can do everything, and there never will be.
Anon we almost fucking have one RIGHT NOW. It's only issue is that it's too slow and a little too expensive.

It's only a matter of time before this technology gets perfected. We have a decade at absolute most.

>>51853756
>4chan, the place where no matter what you say, somebody will be loudly angry at you for it
>hugbox
Pick only one.

>>51854051
The main concern with "Robots taking our jobs" is that a robot that replaces more than one person, yes, needs someone to monitor it. 10 such robots also only need one person to monitor them. Some jobs shift, but it's undeniable many are destroyed.

>>51854771
>one riot means the entire country is under persian occupation

well memed

>>51855200

I'm down with just killing 80% of the population like >>51854063 mentioned.

It'll go a long way toward solving that whole envionrmental crisis and the global warming thing, too. I help design processors for Intel. I'm not worried about being part of the pointless 80%

>>51854851
/tv/ is full of SJW bitching that makes /tg/ look cool and restrained. A few days ago they were talking about Ghostbusters 2016, which is old news because the movie was mediocre feminist trite that was quickly forgotten by everyone else, even most SJWs.

/v/ is full of dissatisfied asshats who shitpost sexy art, but it does have the occasional /pol/ shit. I mostly don't like /v/ because of the overwhelming amount of posts.

>>51855296
Wait, fuck, I just noticed you literally cited breibart for your hot take. Up next, fox news for the real story on welfare.

From an actual news site that didn't harbour a pedo:

"Sweden has 15 suburbs with high crime rates, Lund said, and Rinkeby is one of those.

The council said the number of reported crimes in those 15 areas decreased in 2015 — to 19,092 from 19,576 in 2014.

In 2012 the number of reported crimes in the suburbs was over 20,200."

Crime is generally down, and the riot happens after president alt-right starts accusing people of being criminals. Hmm...

>>51855337
What I mean is that /tv/ bitches excessively about SJWs, not that they are SJWs.

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>>51855164
>Anon we almost fucking have one RIGHT NOW. It's only issue is that it's too slow and a little too expensive.
No, we don't. This right here is garbage. It definitely can't "do everything".

>It's only a matter of time before this technology gets perfected. We have a decade at absolute most.

That's what they've been saying about net-energy fusion power for decades. And sapient human-level AI. And moon bases.

>>51855200
>0 such robots also only need one person to monitor them.

And 1 car replaces the pulling power of 500 men! My God, everyone will be jobless by the year 1950! At the latest!

>>51829640
> See, that's the original point; they're essentially apolitical, they'll attack whoever's an easy target to rile up for their own amusement,
And then, to paraphrase Mark Twain, they got colonized by stormfags et. al. who didn't realize it was ironic or just provoking, and thought they were in good company.

>>51855458

Ok, O Genius of Capitalism, here is my question:

The huge chunk of the population who are pretty stupid, have little eductation (high school or less), and whom work in menial tasks such as janitor, fast food prep, store stocking, low-level construction, and so forth, what about them? They're utterly unqualified for anything more, and assuming they're going to get retrained is mind-numbingly stupid (a - who's going to pay for it, and b - they won't do it, flat-out).

These people represent ~20% of the working population and ~15% of our total population. What are they going to do when their jobs are ALL obsoleted? What industry is going to suddenly employ 40 million people without requiring them to spend 1-3 years and $40k (which they don't have) on retraining?

>>51855462
Someone made the point a couple of days ago that people who are ironically racist exhibit a pull towards actual racism, because when people "don't get the joke" the ones who are laughing are the racists, which means the racists become your friends, and the stuff your friends say makes sense.

>>51855458
If you honestly think that general robots are on the level of cold fusion and AI and moon bases then you're on the level of /pol/-tier conspiritards.

The science of general robots is settled. Actually accomplishing the goal has been proven to be possible for nearly two decades. All that's left is engineering. All that is left is making it better and faster and more economical. And once it crosses that threshold humanity as we know it is enormously fucked.

>>51855345
Well, fuck, you don't understand crime statistics. Those are all-categories reported incident stats, not violent crime stats, more of which are documented here:

https://www.pdf-archive.com/2011/05/08/br-1996-2-invandrares-och-invandrares-barns-brottslighet-1/

>A 1996 report by the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention reached the conclusion that immigrants from North Africa (Algeria, Libya, Morocco and Tunisia) were 23 times as likely to commit rape as Swedish men. The figures for men from Iraq, Bulgaria and Romania were, respectively, 20, 18 and 18. Men from the rest of Africa were 16 times more prone to commit rape; and men from Iran, Peru, Ecuador and Bolivia, 10 times as prone as Swedish men.