How do you stop a horde of barbarian nomads?

You pay them to fuck off. Repeat this until they succumb to internal conflict.

>>51825407
You let them conquer you and then assimilate them into your superior culture

>>51825407
Assassinate their leader. Because their government is much less stable it will lead to infighting.

Fight them and win

>>51825626
Anon, they are nomads - their government is basically nothing but stable.

>>51825407
Have lots of trees so they can't graze their horses near you.

Find some way to kill the leader - nomadic hordes always seemed to fall apart when the charismatic leader who held them together died.

>>51825565
>>51825626
>>51825643
Do these, and if necessary this>>51825574

Also build forts and military towns in your provinces near the barbarians, and create a national network of roads and canals to bring reinforcements if necessary to fight the nomads. Making them call you the greatest king in the world is good too

File: Canadian victory.jpg (47KB, 526x395px) Image search: [Google]

47KB, 526x395px

>>51825574
> tfw if you get conquered, you win

>>51825407

We must let them in.

Guns

Marry their leaders daughter and proclaim best bros, then point them towards some other poor bastard.

>>51825407
Introduce them to sheep grazing and barbed wire
Worked on the Americans

File: _64632200_img_1258.jpg (126KB, 976x549px) Image search: [Google]

126KB, 976x549px

>>51825407

>>51825669
Puns are not allowed in the council of war!

>>51825669
>>51825773
What he said! Get out of the tent!

File: 1473217424814.png (154KB, 624x644px) Image search: [Google]

154KB, 624x644px

>>51825669

>>51825407
>How do you stop a horde of barbarian nomads?

You convince them that your civilization's culture is superior via very superficial, face-value, benefits that will just barely placate the thousands of men they have while simultaneously offering superior and actual substantial rewards and privileges to the ones commanding them.

If you're lucky they'll continue to associate success with strength & intelligence, which will effortlessly and constantly turn them against one another while at the same time create a false justification for their arbitrary privileges and poverty.


Another alternative includes discreetly converting and redirecting their sense of tribalism from culture (which is qualifiable) to race.

>>51825407
Hide your nice stuff, and tell them all about your neighbor who has nicer stuff.

>>51825574
That is probably the best option. All those famous warrior people that went and carved their own empire... genetics show eventually the natives ALWAYS win.

Turks aren't turkic. They are greeks that think thry are turkic.

How does a force of lightly armored infantry defeat a horde of mounted archers?

>>51825825
WE
WUZ
KHANS

>>51825407
Scorched Earth.

>>51825825
>genetics show eventually the natives ALWAYS win.

Tell that to Sweden.

>>51825848
You mean the country thats predominantly Swedish and will remain so?

File: 1486960291249.jpg (56KB, 640x410px) Image search: [Google]

56KB, 640x410px

>>51825574
Criminally underrated.

>>51825825
>Turks aren't turkic. They are greeks that think thry are turkic
Two ethnicities are flipping tables right now, tzatziki and kebab is flying everywhere.

>>51825863
Not if their women keep getting raped by Middle Eastern refugees.

>>51825407
Cut them down.

>>51825897
>believing /pol/ memes

>>51825834
Improv - they stick to the woods and pray the horsefuckers don't get the idea to burn it down.
Prep-time - fortification and rearm to some ranged weaponry.

>>51825825
>the natives ALWAYS win
well, except when the brits do it

File: tfw palefaces.gif (2MB, 260x195px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 260x195px

>>51825825
>the natives always win

File: 10072.jpg (132KB, 1024x768px) Image search: [Google]

132KB, 1024x768px

You don't.

>>51825897

Who cares if they get raped? the woman eventually gets over it and moves on with their life, probably by marrying a boring Swedish man and having a couple kids with him. Even if they got pregnant, they'd more than likely get an abortion. Doesn't have the same stigma it has in other places, and nobody wants a rape baby.

>>51825863

Remember when the United States thought that, and now they're at 60% white and the Baby Boomers haven't even died yet?

Oh, speaking of which, how are the native Americans doing?

>>51825407
Mayhap a wall? A great, big wall?

On the southern border; fucking mexicans.

>>51825825
>genetics show eventually the natives ALWAYS win
Tell that to the native Mexica and Cortez

>>51825917
>>51825925
That is not the medieval era mate.

The industrial era has allowed for the actual extermination of people unlike ye olde conquest. It is a lot more fucked up yeah.

>>51825951
You do realize that most Mexicans have native blood, right?

File: 1446708689983.jpg (5KB, 93x185px) Image search: [Google]

5KB, 93x185px

>>51825940
>Who cares if they get raped?
Don't know, the woman?

>>51825925
Like 99% of the native population of the Americas was already dead from disease when actual colonists showed up

>>51825977

Women are inferior to men, so their feelings are irrelevant.

>>51825940
Just so you know all groups except 'hispanic' and 'other' are shrinking.

You say America is getting less white.
I am saying minorities are getting more white.

>>51825977

I was making a point that rape isn't the end of the world.

The woman often survives, and if you're alive after a rape you just move on. Life continues. The typical /pol/ reaction always seems to be "oh but then they got raped" and act like that woman is suddenly destroyed as both a person and a woman.

>>51825931
Holy shit is that a screen shot of the expansion for the first shogun total war? RARE

>>51826010
Well that is just the combination of judeoislamicchristian slave morality with social asperger autism and other mental cuck cancer.

>>51825986
You are referring to Central America and the areas up to Texas and down to Brazil only, anon.

>>51825407
With a proper fucking military.

You defeat them in the field, then you burn their camps and kill their children and take their women as your own.

Otherwise, to stop mongols, you stand on a slope, you bring plenty of archers and heavy infantry, and you make your fucking stand there while the cavalry kites them into the edges of the formation.
Shoot the horses.

File: wesker.jpg (99KB, 500x1180px) Image search: [Google]

99KB, 500x1180px

Bio weapons.
I mean, fuck this is the most obvious answer there has ever been.

>>51826010
So now you're implying it's okay for people to get raped because they'll eventually get over it? By that measure, if I raped you in the ass, you would be just fine with it right? If I brutally raped your tiny asshole with my enormous wang and made it so you couldn't sit right for a month, you'd be okay with that?

>>51825407
Defeat them and assume leadership.

File: Gaius Marius.jpg (177KB, 800x1235px) Image search: [Google]

177KB, 800x1235px

>>51825407

Killing them all seemed to work for pic related.

>>51826055
How the fuck did you even get into business?

>>51826090
By selling bioweapons designed to kill viruses and bacteria.

>>51826090
With bioweapons, duh. Kill people with zombie virus until you're CEO by default.

>>51826049
That will just mean the mongol archers and infantry will outmanouver you while you are turtling near the cav and you will die horribly. Probably by rocket artillery.

>>51826058
>if I raped you in the ass, you would be just fine with it right
You cant rape the willing

>>51826058

What? Of course not, I'm saying that rape does not "destroy" a woman and exclude her from whatever "white Swedish women of breeding age" bracket you're trying to build.

The original post was smugly insisting Swedish people are doomed because refugees are raping their women, and I'm saying that's dumb because the women are going to survive the rape and live on.

Do you stop getting dogs because one bit you?

>>51826146
But are you a grill?

>>51826118
Their archers and infantry are weak compared to proper dedicated archers and infantry.

>>51826160
But but but Anonymous... last night in Sweden... terrible terrible. You heard it. What goes on there. Last night in Sweden.

>>51826160
Rape is deeply psychologically scarring and you are making it trivial. You don't move on from rape you dumb piece of shit.

>>51826177
Hahahahahahahahah history isn't balanced you dumb fuck. Reality doesn't get patched. Reality isn't fair.

>>51826009
Minority here, can confirm, am painfully white

>>51826036

Fucking hell, you know what the irony of it all is? The thought process that a raped woman is a wasted woman is the same used during the Bosnian War, when Muslim girls were forcibly deflowered and thus "soiled" in men's eyes.

Seeing a woman as worthless because she got raped is exactly what the "invaders" want you to think.

>>51826160
Okay, point conceded. But indifference toward this won't solve the problem.

All apathy does is tell the aggressors that their behavior is perfectly acceptable and that they can continue to do whatever they want. Case study: I ride my skateboard through a mall even though the sign says no skateboarding, but no one says anything. Therefore I continue skateboarding through that mall against the rules. On the other hand, the first time I skate, an officer stops me and issues me a violation of public ordinance ticket for skating in a no-skate mall. Now I'm much less inclined to skate there.

Yes, rape victims can survive. But they're often emotionally shattered by it for a while. No one can just brush off an event like that, nor does that make the event any less horrible and punishable as far as the law will allow. But every country accepting migrants and seeing these rape fests occur ISN'T being proactive, they're being indifferent. That should be infinitely more frightening than a barbarian invasion ten times the size of the current migrant crisis.

>>51826204
You do. It is not easy, but you move on. Either you move on, or you commit suicide. Not commiting suicide is moving on. You move on with your life. If you want to talk about dealing with the experience, you should use other words.

>>51826212
The Mongols only dominated because of mongolia being so fucking flat.
Agincourt showed what happens when the terrain is against cavalry. Mongolia doesn't get that wet.

I personally prefer the ethiopian solution to roving mobile bands of nomads. You find them from the air, and then you send in tanks that will shrug off their weapons and defeat their puny forces.

>>51826204

Of course you fucking do, stop treating women like broken baby birds.

>>51826160
I'm sure all the poor Swedish girls who were violently rape will be big into sex with White Swedish men.

I mean, it's not like the emotional trauma and possible physical damage will be a hindrance to having healthy families.

/Sarcasm.

>>51826283
Mongolia dominated because they understood logistics and information. You fucking retard.

>>51826318
They didn't understand boats.

>>51826283
Anon, you seem to have this demonstrably false idea that the Mongols did not adapt tactics and succeed in multiple theaters.

>>51826318
No, dipshit, they dominated because they were horse archers on open flat terrain eminently suited for nomadic horse archery.

>>51826340
They didn't conquer western europe, though, did they? Too soggy.

>>51826301

If you believe the figures, one third of all western women are raped at least once in their life.

Most tend to have families.

Well, not to discount the trauma of forced intercourse, but it's worth noting that considerable portion of Swedish cross-species breeding is entirely consensual.

>>51826359
>cross-species
>species

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

>>51826352
They didn't conquer Western Europe because their leadership collapsed.

>>51825407
Shoot them. It can't be that difficult.

>>51826355
That's one of my favorite statistics.
Next time I hear it it'll be one half.

>>51826384
You don't know, he could be talking about beastiality.

>>51826352
The mongols weren't just horse archers. They employed infantry, archers, siege weapons, gunpowder artillery... you are so naive...

>>51826384
He is talking about what happens in Lappland on the reindeer farms...

It stays in Lappland.

File: distressed ladybug.gif (763KB, 381x216px) Image search: [Google]

763KB, 381x216px

>>51826424
>>51826442
Right, shoulda kept my mouth shut.

>>51826160
>The original post was smugly insisting Swedish people are doomed because refugees are raping their women, and I'm saying that's dumb because the women are going to survive the rape and live on.
>Do you stop getting dogs because one bit you?

The pillar of /pol/ and other ethno-nationalist arguments is that culture is an expression of genetics. Flooding a gene-pool with massive amounts of foreign genes fundamentally alters it, making it unrecognizable from it's previous incarnation. Your saying (to my understanding) that the people are still there so it's just an evolution of the culture, so no end took place. The argument sort of turns into a ship of Theseus debate, where if all the people are replaced over time, is it still the same culture? How drastic must a change be, and how quickly must it take place to consider a culture to be overrun vs evolved, if at all?

>>51826401
Also because mongol scouts reported that West Europe was a cold boring place with no riches. Better to keep raiding thr Middle East and Asia.

>>51826488
>The pillar of /pol/ and other ethno-nationalist arguments is that culture is an expression of genetics
This fairly rails in the face of how only the most remote of civilizations are not heavily mixed with their neighbors, or this idea that a single immigrant group will supplant all else.
If that was the case, there would be no Egyptians, but low and behold, current Egyptians are directly descended from their ancestors.

>>51826774
>Egyptians are directly descended from their ancestors.
It's weird that this is 'stunning'.

>>51825407
Kill their mounts.

>>51825407
I kid you not, a wall. It's most potent effect will be the morale it gives the people behind the wall to defend it and keep it erect.

Fortify towns, use scorched earth, force them to fight protracted engagements, make peace with some tribes and eliminate others.

>>51825925
Natives didn't do as good in the western hemisphere. But a lot of the natives who did survive bred into the descendants of Europeans. Lots of rural areas have way higher concentrations of people of native descent than urban areas, especially in the US West. Injun blood supposedly making men good at riding horses and weak to alcohol and such things

>>51825407

You pay another group of barbarian nomads so that either they ambush the first group of nomads, or so that they invade you and the first group only gets half the spoils.

If you do the later, then get a third group, and thin your empire even more, to the point that they cannot have it all, and you can raugh when they begin the in fighting.

>>51825407
By being in the late 13th century tech wise. By that point they had to defeat the song at sea because they could not crack the rest of its land.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Yamen

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ain_Jalut
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Mongol_invasion_of_Hungary
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Mongol_invasion_of_Poland


Not saying it was the end for them but victories in the field got a lot more rare for the mongols.

>>51825407
Utilize the DARK POWERS to create an ARMY OF SKELETONS!

it'll spoop them so bad they'll never come back
'

>>51825407
Take away their credit cards.

>>51825407
Fortifications. No siege engines so rip them.

>>51826009
>all groups except 'hispanic' and 'other' are shrinking.

Not true, the black and asian populations are still growing at a steady clip.

>You say America is getting less white.
>I am saying minorities are getting more white.

That is mostly true, but the spectrum of white is certainly broad enough that "1950s American whites" aren't at all the same as "2050s American whites" will be. It'll be the difference between Swedes and Calabrians.

>>51828353
Wait when did /pol/ invade.

>>51825951
bad example, most mexicans are majority native.

better example is the US where hardly any citizens have any amount of native blood.

>>51825407
Appease them with gold, accidentally massacre refugees, and poorly reinforce/execute Diocletian defense strategem.

>>51827963
the mongols had the most advanced siege techniques, including cannons, catapults, battering rams, siege towers, and biological warfare.

>>51825407
To beat the barbarian, you must become the barbarian.

>>51828491
When /pol/ was made.

>>51828599
After stealing it.
People forgot this vital piece. They stole all of the siege technology. Had China been properly defended from the start, that invasion would have slowed down real quick.
And when I say stole, I'm not referring to just the physical siege engines. I'm talking about the artisans they interrogated the info out of.
I don't recall there being cannons though.

>>51825565
Or until your society succumbs to internal decay, whichever comes first.

>>51825565
And how'd that work out for you, Byzantium?

>>51828657
Like the way Europeans stole gunpowder technology?
Most cultures steal tech from elsewhere it's what you do with that matters

File: comfydominions.jpg (333KB, 1683x1129px) Image search: [Google]

333KB, 1683x1129px

>>51825407
You lay down and let them feel you up while waiting for TL4: gunpowder. Alternatively, you move to the opposite side of the sea/mountain range that constitutes their natural border.

>>51828657
>stealing from dependent, conquered subjects
it's called taxation and appropriation. would you like to press your intellectual property argument to the khan?

>>51826042
they were also decimated by slavery for the carabean and eastern south-american coastline

>>51826218
Do YOU want to have to deal with all the emotional bullshit that comes along with it?
I know I'd rather not get my dick chopped off cause she had a flash back.
I don't care about purity bullshit I just don't want to deal with an emotionally broken person.

>>51830304
Same desu, but here I am dealing with you.

File: GoBackToPol.jpg (9KB, 292x173px) Image search: [Google]

9KB, 292x173px

>>51826488
>The pillar of /pol/
Maybe you should stay there, and stop dragging the shit into here?

>>51825407

Malaria

>>51826217
Ah yes, but do you suffer from the not white enough to be accepted by whites and not minority enough to be accepted by the minorities? Because I know that pain my friend.

>>51825834
Better and more numerous ranged weapons. Train the ranged troops to have discipline in the face of a charge. Utilize armored lancers as skirmishers to pick off any light skirmishers who lose their horse to arrow fire.

Also the hedgehog defense stategy as it is known in modern warfare would work very well to provide opportunities for encirclement. This could be applied on the battlefield and also on a national border scale. Have hardpoints the nomads cant realistically attack and when they bypass the hardpoints to strike at more vulnerable targets furth in you can mobilize the garrison, cut off paths of retreat and seek to encircle.

>>51825407
Become more bloodthirsty and degenerate your once proud and peaceful culture and slay the intruders.
Burn their hay bales so they can't feed their mounts.
Steal their horses if you can.
Declare religious warfare.
Pike and shot.

>>51825973
You do realize that most Mexicans have Spanish blood, right?

>>51826010
But /pol/ doesn't react that way at all. In fact they react like you do.

>>51833543
Unless it involves a brown guy.

>>51825407
Avoid conflict until you hit mil tech 6 or 7, then fight them in mountains, hills or woods wherever possible in order to give them a -25% shock penalty.

I recommend having religious ideas too so you can deal with all the (likely) Sunni land you'll be annexing.

>>51833604
religious ideas are a crutch, you are better served by Offensive, defensive, or economic. Most of the land that the hordes own are below 6 or 7 development, so you are better served by taking an inquisitor as your administrative advisory and taking as many national decisions that give missionary strength.

>>51825407
Call for the rest of Hungary.

>>51833640
Sure, an inquisitor plus decisions lets you convert almost anything short of Konstantiniyye, if you're willing to wait until adm tech 8 and dump a buttload of admin into stability, or you're one of the few religions/nations with early missionary strength bonuses.

Meanwhile religious ideas can have you expanding full speed into horde land by 1500, gives you the best CB in the game before Imperialism, and gives great buffs to stab cost/prestige/culture conversion.

>>51833671
ill give you the CB, it almost makes the whole tree worth it, almost, but the rest of the tree is so meh that it really puts me off.

Its a fine 2nd idea if you are in an area with a lot of religions like India, south east asia, the caucuses, etc.

>>51825407
Steal their boar, take their early game advantage away. Prepare spears and skirmishers.

File: Amiel_-_Charles_the_Fat.jpg (97KB, 496x620px) Image search: [Google]

97KB, 496x620px

>>51825565
t. Charles the Fat

>>51833787
Trash rush is not a viable strategy unless your opponent is at least 300 elo below you

Just do a drush into knights

>>51833640
Reminder that if you are playing Muscovy religious ideas is very good for that crazy low culture conversation cost.

>>51834049
Plus Deus Vult is at its absolute best as a Russian, because you're likely to be the only Orthdox nation in the game.

Russia is probably one of the few nations that should always take religious ideas.

>>51834081
>>51834049
this is true, for russia (or perm if you are going for permafrost) its pretty much designed for them.

also if for some reason you are playing as Theodoro or Georgia it is highly recommended.

>>51834081
>>51834049
>>51833671
>>51833604
Does EU4 /tg/ approved? i mean its basically a huge complicated board game.

>>51834141
Yes. Also CK2, Victoria II and HoI because you can transfer one all the way down the line allowing a mega thing from 769 AD to 1948 AD.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9wQSCOuT4o

>>51828353
Nope, retard. Black and asian populations in the USA are shrinking just like white populations are shrinking.

>>51825825
>genetics show eventually the natives ALWAYS win.
Only works in China

>>51829335
They stopped paying after they overthrew the king.


They then got fucked by the crusader hordes

>>51825669
FUCK YOU
I spilled coffee all over my keyboard

>>51825407
Cattle guards lots and lots of cattle guards

>>51833814
He's a big guy.

File: IMG_2034.jpg (1MB, 2592x1936px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 2592x1936px

>>51836166
No way they can get past this shit

>>51825940
Why would a self-respecting man marry a used goods?

https://youtu.be/oXp8Th41rBs?t=20

>>51827946
Underrated, desu.

>>51826003

Are you suggesting that if I manage to find a woman who's more successful than you I'm then allowed to rape you?