Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka versus 40k Roboute Guilliman. Who

>>51813219

You're aware the Primarchs killed Warbosses larger and stronger than Ghaz during the Great Crusade, right? Ghaz is only the biggest and baddest that has appeared since those times.

>>51813219
Ghazghkull isn't important because he's strong, he's important because he's got A VISION that may enable him to unite all orks.

So it's pointless to compare him to Guilliman.

>>51813219
>How would a villian who's greatest nemesis is an unaugmented old man fair against a literal demi-god.
Gee, I don't know.

>>51813219
wouldn't a multi-melta j u s t him? If I recall a warboss in armour may wear literal tonnes of steel but that's all it is. Nothing a squad with melta weapons wouldn't ruin in short order.

>>51813219
>grav gun

Rip the Warboss in that pic.

>>51813219
I love how carefully he is holding that marine head.

Guilliman vs Ghaz? I mean primarchs are ridiculously OP and GeeDubs loves to polish cocks of Imperium fans so I'm afraid that in a direct fight Ghaz stands no chance.

I hope they will be making orks more relevant in fluff.

>>51814013
And give us new Citadel and Forge World models ffs.

>>51814013

BOOP GOT YER HELMET

[this kills the marine]

>>51813219
>is being blessed by Gork&Mork during the fight (so some WAAAGH psychic mishaps may be involved).
Way to go, you fucked up any hope of getting a concrete answer out of the thread by putting in something unquantifiable.

>>51814013

Guilliman got beat by Kor Phaeron and if I recall correctly was supposedly on the back foot against Alpha Legion terminators. While the odds are usually tilted more in their favor, the Primarchs are subject to the whims of the author almost as much as any other character.

>>51813898
thats exactly what i was thinking
that marine just needs to point and click to R E M O V E F U N G U S

To be fair, Guilliman IS the weakest of all Primarchs, in addition to having suffered immense brain damage that further exacerbated his lack of general intelligence during the Great Crusade...

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>>51813219
Better yet who would win in a fight, pic related or Ghaz

>>51814911
Gorgutz already admitted in Winter Assault that he was smaller than Ghaz. Bigga is Betta, so Ghaz wins this one.

>>51814911
Ghaz because Gorgutz does nothing but lose

Captain Bluddflag is a real Boss

>>51814888
isn' alpharius weaker? and lorgar too.

>>51813807
They carry tons of steel augmented with Orkish belief.

Get the Beast. He threw Vulkan around like a bitch.

>>51813713
>Yarrick
>unaugmented

What?

>>51815689
Ever since BBC lovemaster general Nick Kyme made Vulkan immortal, every BL author has killed him multiple times, it doesn't mean shit.

>>51816148
It isn't about death. It's about how the duel went.

The Beast was like 10 meters tall (so more or less the same as Ghaz's size), he dominated Vulkan utterly in their fight and it survived the nuclear expolsion that ended the duel.

So in a fight between Ghaz and Girlyman, I bet on Ghaz.

>>51816173
>ghaz is 10m tall
Have you ever looked at any art of him ever?

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>>51816184
Looks like a solid 10m for me so about the Beast's size. Size is everything to Orks.

>>51816202
No he doesn't, unless you think the people of armageddon are 5m tall each.

>>51813219
They're both Alpharius anon, don't you know that by now?

>>51816173
I remember reading that the Beast was the size of a hub-block... So thats even bigger than 10 meters, no?

>>51816173
>>51816184

Ghaz is three or four metres at most in any of his art or descriptions.

On topic, Ghaz is like Alpharius or Creed and characters like that. His power comes from his ability as a commander and inspiration to his people, not from direct combat strength.

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>>51816202
Do you have any sense of scale? This thing is 18 meters big, so 10 are about half that. Ghazzy isn't anywhere close to five.

>>51816202
You foal! That picture shows Thrakka to be the size of 10 FEET at most, NOT METERS!

>>51816232
His actual size was pretty janky
>The Beast-class Prime Orks were perhaps the largest Ork Warbosses ever encountered, which in Ork society denoted his power, prestige, and lethality. Said to be the size of a hab-block, The Beast made even Nobs appear as mere children in his presence and his mouth was filled with tusks the size of tree trunks.[2a] When one was finally was encountered on Ullanor, The Beast was at first thought to be a ten-meter high statue. However when the statue moved, the Imperial invaders realized he was in fact a massive Ork encased inside battle armor.[6]

>hab-block sized
>10m tall

>Another one of the "Prime Orks" encountered by Imperial forces of Ullanor was said to be the size of a small Gargant. A single arm of his massive battle armour was equipped with two Battle Cannons as well as Autocannons, Missile Launchers, Flamers, and other weapons. His other arm wielded a Vibro-Mace as tall as a Space Marine.[8]

>size of a titan
>melee weapon is only marine sized

>>51814013
>I hope they will be making orks more relevant in fluff.
Orks will never be relevant again. The Beast is as far as you can go to make them a credible threat and they even had a metaphorical Ork Emprah. They still jobbed like complete bitches. As a greenskin player since third edition it hurts to admit, but The Beast was the actual win condition of the Orks in motion and it still didn't go anywhere. Those books were the worst to ever happen to the Orks.

>>51816266
They were the worst thing to happen to the Fists too.
And Vulkan.
And Custodes.
And the High Lords of Terra.
And both the Templars and the IWs.
I can't think of anyone who came out better, actually.

>>51816282
I think Grey Knights officially got promoted to "better than Custodes" there, but I might be mixing something up.

>>51816232
An Imperial officer saw a off out off scale image of Beast in an Ork broadcast. He said his head was the size of a hab-block. Some retards over here took it literally. He is really 10 m.

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DA BOSS WOULD STOMP DAT HUMIE SPESH MARINE! BOSS BEEN FIGHTING AND WINNIN FOR DECADES, AND HI'S DE BIGGEST AND BADDEST OF DA ORKS. DAT SLEEPING BEAUTY HAS NOT FOUGHT IN MILLENIA, HE'S RUSTY LIKE ME POWAH CLAW. WAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH

>>51816114
genetically augmented

>>51814844
Guiliman ripped Kor Phaerons heart out of his body. How is that "losing" against him?

>>51816258
>>size of a titan
>>melee weapon is only marine sized
>power claymores are almost as long as a marine is tall
>huge ass beast doesn't have a bigger stick to carry around
>weaponlet

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>>51818906
>Ahhhhh Leman help meeee.

>>51813219
Depends if we go by the HH rules for Guilliman or the upcoming ones for him in regular 40K.

Either way, Ghazghkull is screwed since Primarchs are close combat monsters. Even Lorgar not being Transfigured can do some damage in CQC, and Russ simply rapes everything (including Horus) to the point that you'd feel sorry for your enemies...NOT. Unless it's Magnus since the Primarch of the 1K Sons has the capabilities to stand up to Russ.

And since Guilliman is stronger than vanilla Lorgar, then Ghazzy will need some serious power to back him up. Not just visions or blessings from Gork and Mork...unless Ghaz finally evolves into the Beast 2.0.

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Could Gulliman win any of the Wars of Armageddon, including the current one?

>>51816202
Do you know what a metre is? That would make the humans here 4-5 metres... youre a moron

>>51819094
It's only a matter of time before he's orky enough to krump all un-orky things in the galaxy

Just needs a few more gubbins, that's all

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>>51819256
They would have already won, if they followed the teachings of the Codex Astartes.

>>51819256
Roboute is a strategist and logistics specialist. He is capable of winning that.

>>51819493
Or more victories. And since he's in Octarius beating Nids left and right, then it's a matter of time before he can go and kick some real asses.

Also Orkz from around the galaxy are coming to Octarius, so Ghaz winning against the Nids there is a sure thing.

>>51819539
GO AWAY LEANDROS. ROBOUTE WOULD PERSONALLY EXECUTE YOU FOR WHAT YOU DID.

>>51819553
I wouldn't say his victory is a sure thing, but it is a cool thing

That would be one hell of a way to revamp the ork codex, with the fluff victory of the orks in the Octarius sector

>>51819553
As much as I want ghaz to win I like nids just slightly more and wish for some scenario where nids take octarius but ghaz doesn't die and somehow becomes prime-ork sized. One can dream.

>>51819256
yes

>>51819611
REALLY hoping with this gathering storm stuff, nids and orks get a campaign where they start spilling out into other sectors and they get boosted and upgraded shit, buff ghaz (cause why not) buff the nids... just give them goodies, both of them deserve it

>>51819590
I may be more into SM, but I want Orkz to take a level in badass.

Sure, I like the comedic part about them, but they should be more of an actual threat (well they can, but it's not so common) and their victory on Octarius would be that point where the Orkz are now on the road of becoming something what the Beast did with his Ork Empire.

>>51819611
Nids should have something different here. Something that would establish them becoming an even more actual threat.

A Leviathan hive fleet is on course with Terra at the same moment when Abaddon will finally move his ass from the ruins of Cadia. Both Chaos and Tyranids attack and Roboute will have some really big shit to do in order to save the Sol system.

>>51819661
I'd like a buffed Swarmlord.

>>51819707
>I'd like a buffed Swarmlord
Same, but less Mary sue trash more direct link to the Norn queens on the battlefield, dominatrix-lite if you will.

>>51819707
>A Leviathan hive fleet is on course with Terra at the same moment when Abaddon
>Swarmlord shows up
>takes Abaddons arms away

>>51819792
>new strain of nids
>armagaunts
>they're just arms

>>51813219
2+ invuln
The ghaz obviusly

>>51813219

fluff or table bitch
be specific

>>51819782
I'd simply give him Eternal Warrior and IWND. That's all seriously.

Also make Old One-Eye useful (and decrease his points cost).

Also they should actually make FW do a Dominatrix and a Hydrophant Titan.

>>51819792
>>51819809
Pfffff. Nice.

Also anyone watched this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2sCeLFK_Xw

>>51819661
I could dig a Warzone: Octarius Campaign that has a bunch of new options for Orks and Tyranids to represent the rapid improvements each are making to beat the other.

>>51820094

Man there i was thinking the dude was a super mechanical abomination with a mean streak.

This trailer makes him into likeable grampa that can fix all your stuff and tells you fun shit about physics and science and shit.

I like the dude.

Fall of Cadia was fucking stupid tho.
Felt like it was rushed or something.

>>51820094
Synapse creatures should have 6+ FNP
Warriors should be T5
Swarmy should have EW and like 100 points drop
Old one eye needs 5+ FNP and his old rule of on a 4+ he revives with 1 wound, he also needs appoints drop

>>51820203
Yeah. I also thought Bel was a typical AdMech, but here he sounds...human. I like him (not to mention how badass he is).

And yeah, they could've done the Fall of Cadia better, but Abby had to do the "Blackstone Falls, Everyone Dies".

Also will Guilliman, Cypher and that Grey Knight old dude get to Terra in time?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5QWb9Bt6zs

>>51820213
Good one here. I'd also remove Pyrovores and replace them with something actually useful.

Also buff the Maleceptor so that his psychic power, Psychic Overload, is Warp Charge 1 instead of 2, and increase its Mastery Level to 3.

>>51821210

Yeah this is the exact kind of rushed fuckery that makes me boil. Was it really necessary to wave hand so much shit into it? They procrastinated almost, what... like three decades? Now suddenly they rush, push and handwave stuff out of nowhere. Plothole is one thing, lack of consistent logic in the setting is another but then again... 'muh warp, ain't gonna explain shit'.

>>51821541
Worst part? Despite the fact that the Imperials managed to make Abby's forces turn tail...THEY LOST BECAUSE ABBY DIDN'T LIKE TO LOOSE, hence why he crashed the darn thing.

And still agreed, it's fucking rushed.

Also were did Tranzyn took ol Creed? Kel is dead along with everyone else on the planet that didn't evacuate in time.

>>51821633

>Also were did Tranzyn took ol Creed?

You really, really want to know? better pay up shmuck!

t. games workshop

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>>51821692
(BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD INTENSIFIES)

>>51813627
>You're aware the Primarchs killed Warbosses larger and stronger than Ghaz during the Great Crusade, right?

Only one, it was Horus who did it and it was only killed in body.

>Ghaz is only the biggest and baddest that has appeared since those times.

True and untrue.

There was one in the 32nd century who was greater.

However Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka is the 2rd reincarnation of the Ork who almost killed the emperor. Each time he has been killed he has become less then he was before do to psychic fuckry by the Emporer done to the WAAAGH on armageddon/Ullanor .

Source: the beast arises novels.

>>51821633
Abaddon Always intended to crash the BS on Cadia. He decednded on Cadia to have one final fight for the sake of pride and th amusement of the gods. Win or lose, Cadia was doomed.

>>51822734
>Source: MY ASS

FIFY

Ghaz is only hinted to be the next Beast in the final chapter of the series. That's it.

>>51822767
Still think this was to additionally spite the Imperials.

>>51819256
Papa Smurf would win everything because he's Papa Smurf and the best at everything forever.

He is the Cato Sicarius to them Emperor.

>>51822734
>Only one

In the Guilliman Primarch novel Guolliman kills multiple Orks who are twice his height. Given Guilliman is probably about ten feet tall he has killed some pretty big Orks and pretty easily at that.

>>51814937
>Captain Bluddflag
It's written Kaptin Bluddflagg

>>51825447
More like Kraptin Buttfag.

>>51821541
>>51821633

The Gathering Storm has likely moved at such a brisk pace because there is some evidence suggesting that 8th Edition will be coming out some time in 2017. They probably want to get everything huge out of the way so they can have a new status quo for the new edition.

>>51814888
It's stated that Gulliman is in the top half of Primarch's when it comes to fighting. He's not going to beat Angron, Russ or Horus but he can beat at least half of them

>>51819039
Kek. I'm glad my "Ahhhhh help me Leman" meme is still getting posted. Caused some serious butthurt on here

>>51822806
>Ghaz is only hinted to be the next Beast in the final chapter of the series. That's it.
I hope I'm not the only one who rolled my eyes at this, especially when they also revealed that Ullanor was Armageddon.
Every single thing that happens in 40k happens because "fate ordained it" according to Black Library. It's a joke at this point.

>>51828257
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxU2eqZtYmc&ab_channel=AqAZArModels
Pottery is the sign of genius anon.

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>>51813219
Ghazghkull fights him to a standstill, and just when he's about to deliver the finishing blow, he realizes that if he kills Guilliman he'll never be an ultramarine. He breaks down crying, and his sadness reaches Gork and Mork, making them cry, because they, too, realize they will never be ultramarines. Then matt ward, writing this, realizes that he will never be an ultramarine, spirials into depression, and commits suicide by muslim. GW writes in Ghazghkull as a Ultra chapter master of a new Ultramarine Ultra subchapter, called the Orktramarines. He leads Macragge into a new age of expansion, as the entire ork race slowly realizes it's 60-million year old dream of being ultramarines. A movie gets made about an orktra-marine deff dread slowly finds love blooming on the battlefield between it and an eldar knight, but is continually stopped by the barriers of their pilots wanting to kill each other. They try to get around these obstacles in quirky ways, and end up learning that home isn't where the heart is, but where the fuel depot is.

Source: my dad works at GW.

>>51819989
This.

Who would win, leman russ or lemon rust?

>>51822734
Vulkan killed one of the Beast (and died again in the process). A single Beast is like 10 Ghazgkhull. As far as the lore goes the Beast is the strongest warboss ever. Nonethesless it is hinted that that git Ghazgkhull might become as big and as strong as the damn Beast.

>>51828774
I came.