How do I stop people from playing shitty games?

>>51793650

The sad truth is, there's only one way.

Cut off your glans, mount it to a base, and play AoS with that as your "Counts-As" until the players get freaked out and go to 40k. Do the same thing there. Only put it away when they play better games.

>>51793650
>how do I make people stop liking what I don't like

Lol protip Autismo McSperg: people don't play 40k because it has good rules.

And if you're really struggling to rub those two brain cells together: they play it for the models, lore, and/or because everyone else plays it. Those are the problems you need to solve.

>>51793650
You sound like a really big fucking loser.

>>51793650

Plebs gonna pleb, OP. You're casting pearls before swine. You can't make people with shit taste stop liking shit.

Just look at this faggot for proof: >>51793708 . 40k is full of laughable tryhard models, the lore went to shit 3 editions ago, and 'muh bandwagon' is never an excuse for anything.

>>51793650
Stop being such a colossal cunt

>>51793650
Alright, let's do this, Space Marine Chapter Creation thread.


https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Space_Marine_Chapter_Creation_Tables

Give me a d10 for chapter origins, and d100 for founding period. I'm doing this two at a time to make it quick, so we can get to the goodies and discussion faster.

>>51793760
>muh bandwagon

Literally nobody plays multiplayer games if they have no one else to play with, moron. It's not about bandwagoning.

>>51793760
>Kings of War
>9th age
>Warpath
>pearls

Lol OP is swine too dumbass he's just an assmad butthurt WHFB expie.

Infinity ain't that great either. Notice no X-Wing, no FoW, no Bolt Action, no DzC, no DfC, no AT-43, no DUST, no Dystopian Wars/Legions and you gonna talk about pearls. Fuckin pleb

>>51793760
>You can't make people with shit taste stop liking shit.
This. Find a new group. Or make one. If you play Infinity, you should have experience with that :v

>>51793760
I mean, they have to realize just how fucking awful 40k is, right? How unbalanced it is? How childish the models look?

Literally the only thing that 40k and AoS has going for it are full plastic Kits, and Warmachine is already working on that.

Rules wise, its been crap since 4th.

Model wise, things have only gotten worse. Shit like that "Deathworld Forrest" is utter hot garbage.

Even lore wise, it's just not what it used to be. AoS is just utter trash, and 40k is going down the drain rapidly with its "Ultimate Waifu Celestia works with the Lesbo god of the Eldar to help bring Robot Gorillaman back to life." marvel tier writing.

Remember when 40k was grim dark? Or when WHFB was realistic?

>>51793798

Anon I like you but...

Really?
>AT-43
>DUST
>Dystopian Wars/Legions

They're fucking dead games.

>>51793798
>no AT-43, no DUST, no Dystopian Wars/Legions
Few people want to play dead games, what a surprise.

>>51793824
>Ultimate Waifu Celestia works with the Lesbo god of the Eldar to help bring Robot Gorillaman back to life.
I want literally that as 40k porn.
Glourious Ubermensch Rawbutt Grislyman, converting the galaxy to HFY with sheer manliness.
Through Dick, Unity

>>51793798
Well shit anon, I can't own everything, and while the games I mentioned aren't perfect, they are at least enjoyable. I have tried some of the ones you mentioned, or at least brought them up.

Nobody likes X-Wing since its just Dog Fights with pre-painted minis. That is what I heard straight from a friend of mines mouth. Aside from that, the only people who showed any interest are the mouth breathing "Hero Clix" people.

Some people liked the gameplay of Bolt Action and FoW, but when I told them that it was primarily Historical based, most people immediately dropped interest. To be fair, Konflict 47 has gotten a few people to get reintrested, but most people don't give two flying fucks about historicals.

DzC, DfC and Dystopian Wars were out almost the second I brought the fact that they are 8mm. There were some people who liked the idea, but had already invested so much in EPIC, that they didn't really care, along with the fact that they were the neck nerdiest nerds there.

AT-43 and Dust are pretty laughable anon, and I didn't even bother bringing them up. They're both pretty much dead systems, and rely on soft rubber miniatures. I Should know, since I bought 30+ of the Germans to be used as Inquisitorial Acolytes.

>>51793650
Man, if they're enjoying the games, don't fuck with it. If they aren't into the games you like, then they aren't.
Find a new group or something-- don't try to ruin someone else's fun because you don't enjoy the cancerfest. 40k and AoS are shit, but people like it, hell, I like it. Amount of fun had =/= quality.

>>51793828
To be fair, Dystopian Wars just got a few new ships, and update via kickstarter. But Legions is just fucking dead.

>>51793867
Heretical Love Quest anon, Heretical Love Quest. A relic from a bygone era:

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Heretical_Love

>>51793923

Ohh yeah, I totally forgot anon. I'm gonna go have a look at those then not purchase them well because... Spartan Games.

>>51793798

> DUST

> AT-43

No, he's listing good games not shit ones.

>>51793650

> Better games.

The best games are the ones everyone enjoys.

The only exception to that is AoS. That really is objectively dog shit but GHBII may fix it.

>>51793650
>>51793760
>>51793824
> t. Contrarians

>>51793650
Sounds like your group has incurable autism. Abandon them and find better groups.

>>51793798
>Criticize Infinity
>List some of the shittiest games of all time

wew

>>51794643
Nothing can fix that piece of shit.

>>51793906
>he likes Shit Wars
Damn, and this nigga has the gall to say 40k players have bad taste.

>>51793906

>Nobody likes X-Wing since its just Dog Fights with pre-painted minis. That is what I heard straight from a friend of mines mouth. Aside from that, the only people who showed any interest are the mouth breathing "Hero Clix" people.

Wew!

Damn, people. Live and let live.

>>51796236
autists are never satisfied until they show everyone that their way of life is better than everyone elses.

>>51793760
You're right, it's better to play a game that noone in my area plays.

BOY I SURE DO LOVE COLLECTING MODELS FOR A GAME I WILL NEVER GET TO PLAY LIKE A FUCKING TURBO AUTIST!

>>51796125
As someone who bought Spire of Dawn just for the miniatures, and was thinking of giving AoS a go; why is the system shit? Genuinely curious, because all I know is that at one point it has no point cost system which made it a mess, but they changed that. What is wrong with the game that I should know about?

>>51796965
It isn't shit. Ask this in the AoS general thread and have them explain what's good about the game. There is a lot more to it than initially meets the eye. It's one of those games that's easy to learn, but difficult to master. A lot of the issues people had with it were fixed or helped with the GHB. Now the only real legitimate concerns about the game are its setting, which is still very much a personal taste thing.

Basically anytime AoS is mentioned outside of the general thread, it's going to get a whole ton of shit flinging from detractors who don't really know much about it.

Really the biggest thing is try it out. If there are some players near you, give it a shot with them. If you like it, that's cool. If you don't, then it wasn't for you. KoW is another good game that's gained some popularity and 9th age is the spiritual successor to old warhammer fantasy. Mainly depends on what's being played in your area.

>>51797072
There is a friend I know that is part of the local bloodbowl league I am a part of that is willing to do some learning games once I assemble the minis I got. From the looks of the game I got while waiting for opponents, it seems like an alright system, but then again I am new to wargaming in general so I'm never sure how good my tastes are to being with. I like games with a good amount of complexity and "crunch"

>>51797102
There is complexity and crunch, but not in the ways most warhammer players are used to, where complexity and crunch directly correlates with how many pages the rulebook is.

In aos, the complexity is all the hidden nuances and tactics that people discover when playing. Like knowing how to prepare against random turn order situations, and use it to your advantage. Or setting up your units for charging and being charged to get the most out of their attacks. Or knowing which units to act in combat first and play triage with multiple units in combat. Or wound allocation, and manipulating your opponents wound allocation. Or piling in combat to get the most models in range for their attacks. These are all things that the rules (which are only 4 pages) don't talk about, but are there.

The crunch in aos is in the form of all the warscrolls and rules with them. No 2 armies play the same with the variety. You learn how the new stormcast eternals play differently to how tzeentch arcanites do. What are their strengths and weaknesses and what they do do overcome them or what you can do to exploit them.

>>51793673
Or they may kick you out. That's an option right there.

>>51793650
If you demoed the games and they, after playing, went back to their warhammer doesnt that just mean that your games suck?

>>51793650
Kill Them.

>>51793824
>Rules wise, its been crap since 4th.

You mean 3rd, right? Third edition was a mistake. Sucked all the complexity and flavour of the game out entirely, leaving us with a dessicated husk of shit that GW has been steadily building on ever since.

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>>51793650

>My opinion is facts. the post...

On a more serious note though, I know first hand how it feels when the group literally stops playing all but one game. It became a 3 year long mono-playfest.
Don't get me wrong, it was a good game. But we went from playing all sorts of games to becoming a fucking fan-fest in favor of that particular game. You couldn't even talk about other games, because the fanboyz started up a huge discussion about it in no time! It was almost as bad as being on 4chan sometimes, with its extreme views and opinions.

In the end I set course to play a boring ass net-list which sole purpose was to win tournaments. I used this list exclusively to just win any game I entered. My hopes was to get some of the guys to start picking up the games we used to play, and still had armies to. This in time totally backfired and had my group quit games entirely. I was almost shocked that they would rather play 1 game or none at all. And when they realized how easy it was to break the game if you knew the rules, had a bad-ass list and constantly practiced your gameplay, they just bounced.

Now, a year and a half later, I have had one guy with me, picking up some alternative games again.

So my tips to you, just explain, ask straight out and don't be a dick (as you appear in your post). Don't sperge out "your game sucks, play my game!", lay it out gentle and suggest that your group might try some other games out. Start up a campaign, do some scenarios with terrain, literally show the way!

>>51793650
>I've tried demoing games like Kings of War, 9th age, Infinity, Warpath, and none of them are really swaying any ones opinion

Have you tried asking why they don't like these games?

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>>51793650
>my opinion is a fact
>your opinion is shit

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>>51793824

Dude, don't put warmachine and compare models in the same sentence.

Yes they got some plastic going, not the best of quality but what ever turns your gear right? And its more expensive (box by box) than GW, which is a joke to be frank.
The fact that you mentioned the Deathworld Forrest really shows your grasping straws here, as its one of the few things they have release in a long time thats fugly. And thats mostly due to esthetics, I have no opinion on the quality, but I imagine its full of details and all plastic multi part kit. This alone beats the bejesus out of most things warmahordes.

I also play Warmahordes, have been going strong since release of 2ed. I like the gameplay, and its different from most things GW due to the fact that its mentality is leaning towards tournament gameplay! Its ok to show up with a bad-ass list, because its a game where people wants to win. You do this in 40k, you might end up playing no games at all sadly.

But this aside, it lacks in model quality (I literally have as much weight in pins in my colossal as it was resin!). It has a bunch of basement dwelling players with strong opinions, unwilling to admit their faults writing the rules (When I heard they would remove any "negative" feedback regarding mk3 on their forum, due to being bad commercial towards the beginners, I almost flipped my shit!).
Personally, Im a gamer, I play games, like a lot of them! I try to enjoy each game for the aspect that it brings. Games that might not be to complex in terms of rules, such as AoS, can make up for this by having a great community with awesome models to paint and simply be fun to play. All the while games like warmahordes is fun because of its tournament aspects. But don't be such a fanboy anon, it hurts my ears to hear you defend stuff beyond reason.

>>51799474

>That picture

Fukken saved! This truly is your typical /tg/ miniature wargamer, right there!

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>>51793650
the first thing you do is stop calling it an inferior game. Even if it is inferior (it is) saying that to people sounds elitist and condescending.

For example, I am currently getting Bolt Action and Dropzone commander going at my FLGS. We have a small 40k and X Wing community and that's about it. How do I draw people into games besides 40k and magic?

Well 1, I play 40k, and I will straight up say that while I don't care for the rules, I still love the models and the lore. This shows that I'm not considering myself above them, and that I'm not a snob.

Secondly, while I often encourage people to try new systems, I always encourage that as a game to play IN ADDITION TO 40K, not purely replacing it. If the other game is good, people will play it of their own free will. Acting like "either you will play this new game or your opinion is wrong" will just piss people off. If the game is good enough they'll switch over without even noticing.

>>51799664
Not only that but it's also childish. Mature players have games they prefer over others, but they don't insult those who have differing preferences.

Children gather in tribes and camps and war with the others.

Stop being a fucking pleb, OP. GW makes simply the best games on the market. What's the problem with you? Are you too poor to afford premium games?

I wouldn't know, nobody plays AoS at my LFGS. The only 40k players are 5 dudes that take pleasure in outcheesing each others and prepping up for the next tournament and they are such a sight to behold I wouldn't want them to stop.

>>51796965
Most people hate AoS because it is an inherently parasitic game of a beloved franchise, the game itself is just mediocre, not dog shit.

>people play miniature games other than narrative campaigns or tournament campaigns
Someone explain this to me

>>51800093
parasitic? Like, it's just butthurt form fantasy fans?

>>51800125
It's a game that relies on exploiting the corpse of fantasy and does hardly anything original, and when it does do something new it's usually dogshit

>>51800607
So...>>51800125 is correct? You are just a butthurt fantasy fanboy?

>>51793760
Let me spend 100s of dollars on a game no one else plays. Yeah that'll show them how shit thier taste is.

>>51800125
>>51800607
ayy lmao

>>51800093
>inherently parasitic
Pretty sure any sequel to anything is "inherently parasitic"

>>51799035

best answer