Warhammer 40,000 General

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>>51775789
First for the glory of Khorne!

Second for nothing

third for EVERYTHING

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>>51775789
Second for sailor Terra

Do any factions fit these criteria:

>Imperial
>Footslogging
>Tough
>Easy to paint

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R8 my list idea

>Chaplains roll up with AssSmashers
>Tacs roll around doing drive bys, probably will shave off the las/plas for HBolters and trade the plasma into Melta/Combi-Melta
>GravRhino chills midfield to blow up shit

Still looking for a good way to make a 3000 point Guard list, even though I'm indecisive and keep remaking it....

>>51775854
Skitarii

>>51775851
nth for THICC

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Assuming I can take Trueborns with mandatory Kabalite tax, this is my Ynnari+Haem Covens list.

Fuck Reavers and their stupid wonky ass point costs.

>>51775854
Space Marines if you wanna field mostly terminators, but why footslogging?

>>51775872
>skitarii
>easy to paint

So last night I asked about making terminators decent and heard lots of interesting replies. To sum up some possibilities listed in the thred:

-Increase to t5
-Termie armour gives 1 extra wound
-Rerollable armour save
-up to BS/WS 5
-buff storm bolters (perhaps to assault 3)

What is the ideal solution? I know some HH terminators have 2 wounds, and Deathwing Knights have functionally T5 and WS 5, but it doesn't really make them usable...

>>51775870
All wyvverns formations, all veterans on Chimeras, all earthshakers formation and Pask

>>51775870
gtfo with your 3000 points dude take everything in the fucking dex

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For the prophet of the God of the Dead!

>>51775872
>Skitarii
But Skitarii aren't tough?

>>51775897
It's like painting necrons with red robes and minimum bling

>>51775923
OK, warconvo then

>>51775870
Just do as many emperors shield companies as you can fit and flood the board.

>>51775897

I just prefer the idea of footslogging. Marines in rhinos just seems really dull to me. Just roll across the board, hoping nothing shoots the box out.

But then, without them, it makes the issue of walking in this game being so fucking slow. And deepstriking is hideously unreliable.

The old blood angels when they could take assault marines as troops would be perfect but here we are.

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So I recently picked up Adeptus Mechanicus by Rob Sanders, and it inspired me for some nice new Dark Mechanicum conversion. I had the idea of making a few Forge World guard-servitors or some sort of slave-automatons that would tend the forges. I'll be using Lord of Plagues and Gutrot Spume from the Nurgle Rotbringers line, going to repair their open sores with GS and replace the scythes with quad-thunder hammers. What say ye?

>>51775905
-WS/BS5
-W2
-1+ armour save
-No more inv save

>>51775909
So what does Ynnead encompass religiously anyway? Is it just the god the dead Eldar would rather give their souls to as opposed to Slaanesh or is it something deeper?

Also I've been wanting to ask this for a few days but I feel like it's not worth a thread. So if the rumors are true and the Emperor becomes the fifth chaos god upon his death, what would he be the chaos god OF? Would he just become the chaos god of order or something?

What happened to the sitting Kreiger models that you glue onto tanks WWII style?

>>51775963
You could go for a cheap fortification like a Bunker or something, then give it an escape hatch.

That's pretty good for getting some guys across the field quickly in a fast way.

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How would you fix Tyranids?

Also why is Robin Cruddace allowed to work at GW?

>>51775905
Increase T, BS, and WS to 5, and make storm bolters Assault 4. Now they're usable. Extra wounds and rerolls are too much of a buff and complicate them further. Buffing their performance through their base stats and wargear is far better.

Is there any way that Genestealer cult can counter fliers?

>>51775963
I understand your pain but there isn't a competitive option. Vehicles are too cheap. Walking is too slow.

Imagine trying to footslog at dark eldar or something.

>>51776073
>>51775905
oh and make assault cannons cheaper to take

>>51776071
Point balancing + some lower ap range weapons

>>51776055

When Ynnead becomes reborn, Eldar will return to their cycle of Death and Rebirth, when they die they will be reborn.

That's what they want so bad.

At the moment, as far as I can tell, the Eldar souls are chilling with Ynnead, and will be reborn.

Slaanesh, consumes and tortures for eternity.

I think...

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>>51776018
>1+ Armor Save
So...basically weapons need AP1 or it just bounces off them? I doubt a Lascannon would bounce off Terminator armor. I agree with the rest of the stuff, though.

I'll take either rerollable Armor save, or something that reduces the AP of Weapons hitting them by 1 at the cost of the invuln.

I've been working on a Dark Vengeance set with a mate. Built together, primed and started painting together etc.
Now, due to one or the other of us being busy (I work nights, he works days and occassionally has kids to look after) haven't worked on it in weeks, probably another 3 weeks minimum before we'll work on it again.

Feels bad, man. Now I get how the people saying their DnD game hasn't run in 2 months feel.

>>51775963
You could do like a White Scars setup and go bike-heavy, or even run Space Yiffs and put your dudes on wolves if you feel like being called a furry.

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If a unit cant charge, does that mean it cant assault at all?
Like let's say a unit of Space Marine bikers with a teleporter homer engage in assault, and a unit of terminators deep strike into the fray. Because they're so close, could they still assault even though they cant charge?

>>51776110
a 1 still fails the roll, but you get the roll as long as the weapon isn't ap1

>>51776055
The Whispering God restores the Eldar to what they were. They return to being Aledari which means they return to their utmost physical and mental power as a species. They become fearless of death since their souls live on and empower their brethren. And in time they will be reincarnated

So this raises a few questions. How did the Necrons and C'tan initially defeat the Old Ones and their Eldar allies? The Eldar were at their peak psychic and physical capacity and they didn't fear since they get reborn. These an unbeatable army..

PLOTHOLE!

>>51776110
That's dumb. There's nothing special about terminator armor. It's just really thick armor, that's it. It doesn't need more special rules than it already has in my opinion.

>>51776055
>So what does Ynnead encompass religiously anyway? Is it just the god the dead Eldar would rather give their souls to as opposed to Slaanesh or is it something deeper?

In-universe, the Ynnari have only existed for a matter of months. Eldar who believe in Ynnead's existence, or the possibility of his existence, have been around, but just as lone prophets or philosophers. It hasn't really had a chance to form into a more coherent culture yet. However, we can assume a few things.

The Ynnari represent a midway point between the Craftworlders and Commorites, so both groups will drift away from their extremes. The Path system might disappear or become less important, while the Dark Eldar won't have their physiological need to maim and torture because they're no longer affected by the Thirst.

Perhaps more importantly, it's probably going to lead to a very outward-looking, dynamic mindset. Previously, the various Eldar sects were only concerned with their own survival. Everything was a means to that end. Now, they've been given a chance to escape their eventual doom. They can think about the day where that occurs, or where they might want to go once Slaanesh is defeated. Of course that in turn leads to sub-groups and competing philosophies, both between Craftworlders and Commorites, or between more militant or more diplomatic groups arguing over whether they want to try killing off the 'lesser races' and recreating their empire or working with them in the long term.

>>51776110
You'll still fail the save if you roll 1 on the dice.

Also, I forgot that you should be able to customize each terminators how the fuck do you want ala Deathwatch

>>51776143
They'd mishap if they got close enough.

>>51775905
Honestly, I think that Termies are well coated. You're getting Power Fists, Storm Bolters, 2+ armour, 5+ Invulnerable... The problem, really, is that they lack a decent method of getting into range to do anything. It's a problem a lot of assaulty marines have - no assault vehicles apart from expensive Land Raiders or Flyers.

>>51776143
You can't be closer to an enemy model than 1in if not engaged in combat, it's a myshap..

>>51776167
>How did the Necrons and C'tan initially defeat the Old Ones and their Eldar allies?
Pretty sure they didn't I'm fairly certain the Eldar did that to themselves by spawning a Chaos God.

>>51776191
The C'tan and Necrons defeated the Old Ones and their allies and dominated the galaxy. This changed when the Necrons turned against the C'tan and warred with them.

>>51776143
>If a unit cant charge, does that mean it cant assault at all?
Yes, you would need a special rule that allows them to do so. This means assault terminators need to spend a turn soaking fire before even attempting to engage if they deep strike. The alternative is using one of a few expensive assault transport options to deliver them to targets.

>>51776129
Yeah, it sucks. I work long weeks too and when I finally do get the free time to paint my dudes I'm just too damn tired. I'm gonna power through and force myself to paint tomorrow since it's my last day off.

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>>51776085

I know, anon. I know.

Do I need to put a commander in each formation of the Battlegroup or just one for all?

>>51776258
Which battlegroup?

>>51776282
Cadian

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First attempt at a list for a long time. Returning player, I did some quick reading seems like this might be the best way to go?

1250 points

>>51776308
running the combined arms attachment as an alpha legion decurion (formation of formations) from Tratior Legions might be better

>>51776306
You need a company command for emperors shield company and a platoon command for each emperors shield platoon

>>51776110
It's designed to work in a plasma reactor. It should be that durable. What's wrong with requiring meltaguns to take out the guys wearing what's effectively a tank?

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>>51776084
CAD Hive flyrant spam

>>51776247
for an army like that to work it needs relentless long range shooting. Kinda like tyrant siege terminators in 30k. Cataphractii termies each with cyclone missile launcher on top. Needs a 40k equivalent.

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>>51776097
It's all point balancing, anon. Yannaimean

How do you even build a decent KDK list I don't know what I am doing
Am I meant to just spam bikers or what?

>>51776084
don't they have access to Hydras?

>>51776360
Deathguard can pull that off now right? Toughness 5 FnP havocs with renentless heavy weapons.

>>51776383
>that finger

what the FUCK

>>51776360
Don't Space Wolves have options for that somewhat with long fang squads? It's not perfect but honestly for a tough Imperial foot army he won't get much better. Maybe CSM would be better for him? They have a lot of daemons like defilers and forge fiends that can hurl firepower across the table, along with mutilators and the like.

>>51776336
Can't really fit that in a 1250 list without dropping the cabal which as I understand it is now mandatory for CSM.

Also I'm basically giving up rolling on the boon table for free for 3 sorcerers.

>>51776353
I get that.
It's 1+, but the guy is saying that you still fail the rolls on a 1. Why not just keep the armor at 2+ and make it lower the AP of weapons that hit it by 1?

Make it a new SR. Call it Impenetrable. Bam. Now you don't have to deal with retarded FAQ questions that'll waste time/space that could be used on better questions because some WAACfag wants to know "If my Terminators have a 1+ armor save, does that mean they automatically pass it?"

>>51776409
???

Is there something wrong with a finger joint? You should see a doctor if yours can't do that.

>>51776434
look at how far back it's bent my friend

What does CAD mean?

So I was thinking about doing a fast as all fuck space marine army, and I'm on what chapter I should do. Any suggestions?

>>51776400
hmm yes I forgot about them. How many autocannons can they fit in a squad only 4? kinda meh

>>51776452
Combined Arms Detachment

>>51776448
Most people can go about that far, and people having double jointed fingers isn't that uncommon.

>>51776430
There have been 1+ armor saves in the past and theres already rules in print about armor saves always failing on a 1

>>51776486
Doesn't mean some asshat won't try to lawyer it up.

>>51776471
I must just have shit joint mobility because I can't deal with heavy weights pushing my wrists back either

seriously, I can't look at that picture without cringing, am i really the only one

>>51776464
I'm split on what chapter I should do*

>>51776464
White Scars.

>>51776465
Four in a squad, but that isn't that bad for the price. It's still a lot of dangerous mobile firepower on a durable platform.

>>51776563
Are they any good? How are they in melee?

>>51776507
All they need to do there is print a reminder under the wargear entry for terminator armor that reminds people that any save fails on a 1.

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>>51776519
???

>>51776537
What do you like? Do you prefer fluff or crunch, or already have some ideas and just want outside opinions?

>>51776565
traitor legions isn't in the army builder in the op is it.. How much points is it?

>>51776464
Blood Angels, the Descent of Angels or whatever that gives you a bunch of stormravens and talons.

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>>51776621

Do units need a sergeant or leader model?

>>51776649
Depends on the unit, just look at the unit composition entry of whatever you are thinking about using in your codex. What army are you asking about?

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>>51776645

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>>51776621

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>>51776595
It would still pop up in the FAQs, seeing as we have this fucking gem right here.

I'd be fine with the 1+ thing completely, but in this game I KNOW there'll be those dumbasses who try to exploit it. Especially against newer players.

>>51776625
I like White Scars, but also the Blitzkrieg potential of Blood Angels. I love their Death Company units. Are Blood Angels good as a whole?

Competitive Guards list?

>>51776674
Nice tendons, Anon. No really.

>>51776670

Space Marines

Also you can attach special characters to units as well such as Psykers?

>>51776621
Well done, I can't do that.

What amuses me most is how quickly you were to document this uncommon ability, even when you didn't post the Degrasse.

Take care Octopus Man

>>51776638
No more than normal. The restriction is that everything in the detatchment has to take marks of nurgle, can't take anything with other marks, and gets VotLW for free.

So it'd be 70 for the squad, 40 for 4 autocannons, and another 15 for the Marks of Nurgle.

>>51776701
Should see my middle finger, I can get the tip practically vertical if I tense it correctly.

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>>51776682
>>51776645
Y'all motherfuckers are weird.

>>51776723
ok thanks

>>51776732
Nice dried semen on your laptop m8

>>51776732
This is what I get for phone posting. God fucking dammit.

>>51775854
Skitarii or Cult Mech. As the saying goes, you'll only ever get 2/3 of the things you want.

>>51776709
If they have the Independent Character rule, they can join other squads yes. Just be aware of different movement types between units or other special rules.

Worst plot armors in 40k are?

>>51776755
Thanks man. I use it as a backup if I run out of plastic glue.

>>51776400
>>51776425

I considered Death Guard because they do seem to fit exactly what I want in an army, but I really want to play loyalist marines, because then I can do cool allies stuff down the line like having a grey knight squad or IG support.

>>51776781
Everything Ultramarine.

The entire Tau continued existence.

Yarrick.

>>51776693
White Scars are pretty good. Blood Angels were kinda meh but from what I remember their latest supplement makes them a lot better. I'd call them good but your local meta can have a lot to say about that.

>>51776709
Basically every space marine infantry squad should have a sergeant for free with the option to upgrade him to a veteran sergeant.

>Also you can attach special characters to units as well such as Psykers?
Yes, so long as they are independent characters and don't have a rule saying otherwise like Imperial Assassins.

>>51776353
It's designed to work in a plasma reactor to shield it from the immense heat going off around it. Plasma will still wreck it in a direct hit as Plasma Guns do, and why Plasma Guns have Gets Hot, because those suckers get extremely hot.

>>51776802
Chaos marines get cool allies stuff. You can pick up traitor guard for support, or Daemons if you want more psyker things.

That said, you probably shouldn't go for Death Guard and switch everything just for the sake of footslogging.

On the Loyalist side, I think Space Wolves might be a good option. They have ways of getting outflank and moving faster, so getting them across the table is easier even without transports

>>51776851

I know I'm gonna come across as a whiny bitch who just can't be happy which is entirely accurate but I really don't like the Space Wolves fluff. It just feels like WOLFWOLFWOLFWOLFWOLF and I'm not a huge fan of the viking aesthetic.

>>51776816

>Yarrick
Explain? Dude got his arm ripped off.

>>51775963
Just get a shitload of marines to fill up the board. Don't know much about loyalists, haven't read their codex, but I'm gonna have a 20man CSM squad as the base of my chaos army

>>51776875
You could always use their rules and say it's another feral world chapter that uses similar tactics.

>>51776816
>muh ultramarines
I hardly consider losing 1/3 of your chapter to iron warriors crusade to be plot armor

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R8 no H8

>>51776308
Why black mace on a sorc instead of on the lord? He's better in combat, and sorcerers already have force weapons, which are useful enough if you want to assault with them

>>51776828

So i have a sergeant and 10 marines. Do they all need to be in 1 unit with the sergeant or can they break into smaller squads

>>51776963
The sergeant counts toward squad count, so nine marines and him in a squad. Most squads cannot break up, but Space Marines have the Combat Squads rule, meaning if numbering ten models they may break into two five man teams.

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>it's a your opponent spends minutes explaining the history of his OC chapter and characters during setup before placing each miniature episode

>>51776693
They're a decent mid-tier army.

They have much better vehicles, assault and tactical marines than other armies but none of the "good" units the SM codex stands on.

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>>51777019

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>>51777019
>it's a "You go another week without playing a match" episode

>>51776693
BA player here. We can go fast, but we don't have access to any of the vanilla Space Marines stuff.

>>51776875
Old space wolf fluff was pretty decent, it's only recently that the WOLFWOLFER shit has gone overboard

Read about the space wolves in the war of armageddon and you'll have a complete opinion flip on the yiffs, and I'm a thousand sons main

>>51777019
just reading this made me angry

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>>51777019
It's a match against Aeldari match.

>>51777019
Kill team might be less pathetic but yes

>>51777019
>Play Orks
>Want to come up with backstories that are based off of actual game events
>My Warboss has died every battle

>>51776224
Pretty sure the War in Heaven was a stalemate, with the Old Ones only dying due to an enslaver plague, which also forced the Crons into hybernation. They never beat the Aeldari.

>>51777110

Maybe he's just a mess of cybork bits now, somehow still living through the beatings.

>>51775963

That's the nice thing about Night Lords at least. Stealth and Raptor troops let's stick Havoks in cover while the raptors jump ahead. Hell, even stealth Termies can be nice to get the better cover save. Bikes have a lot of potential, too, but I don't actually have any.

>>51775854

Raven Guard have T1 Shrouded infantry, which can make them much tougher and help footslog.

Raptors have T1 Stealth, Scout, and their character gives 3 units Infiltrate.

Any SM army can be built around Drop Pods and will footslog after they get out.

Guard Blobs footslog and are super tough, but not that easy to paint.

Lastly, Alpha Legion can Infiltrate with a lot of dudes and be fine without transports, although they're not exactly Imperial.

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>>51777019
>he does all that
>"so what's your armies backstory?"
>"no, come on anon, tell me"
>"what's the name of your warlord?"

>>51777123
That's actually not a bad idea anon, too bad Da Supa Cybork is like 50 points for a 5+ FnP and EW

>>51776590
Arguably the best marine chapter right now.

>>51777160
>EW
>warboss is t5/6
It's the one thing I didn't have to worry about...

>>51776590

You're trolling, aren't you? I'm on to you "pretends to be oblivious while running most OP option of every codex" anon. You post this shit daily.

Would it be frowned upon if I painted some marines alpha legion but played them as iron hands?

>>51777178
The biggest thing that makes me upset is the Relentless. Warbosses can only take Assault weapons, and Mega Armor and Warbikes give them relentless anyway...

>>51777204
Dude nobody fucking cares

>>51777217
MA gives SnP

>>51777246
and SnP gives Relentless.

>>51777204
Don't know why you would. AL have better rules.

>>51777217
Consider the following
>warboss can pick up a mek gun and use it as a ranged weapon

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>>51777070
>the WOLFWOLFER shit has gone overboard
Not him, but I wouldn't mind it if the models weren't absolutely ridiculous. Viking with a slight wolf theme would be cool but everything space wolves has a million wolf faces on it.

Look at this motherfucker in pic related.
>wolf pelt on left shoulder
>wolf pelt loincloth
>wolf skull on frontplate
>wolf decal on right chest
>wolf head on gun
>wolf head right gun mount
>wolf head on right shin
>wolf head on exhaust pipe
and that's just from this one angle

>>51777267
I've been playing orks for 4 years and have never thought of shit before.
I'm doing this from now on...

>>51777217
Slow and Purposful confers to the squad so you could attach a warboss to a missile toting squad for +1BS

>>51777284
>the smoke launcher has a wolf head

>>51777305
They only Heavy weapons are Lootas, and I would just stick a Meg Mek with them...

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>>51777284
ironically bjorn thinks all the yiff shit is fucking stupid and wants old mate russ to come back so he can set these idiots straight

>>51776933
-2 command squad's sisters have no special weapon
-Retributors mixes weapon types
-Footslogging Chaplain with no squad to hide in
-What are the scout bike squad for?

>>51777334
>implying Russ won't come back as a gigantic wulfen and take the wolfshit even farther

>>51777267
>warboss can pick up a mek gun and use it as a ranged weapon
?

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>>51777261
No SnP gives SnP.

>>51777412
I'm speaking in hypotheticals.

>>51777425
>>51777261
Two very similar but technically different rules, like the difference between fearless and zealot.

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>>51777334
go back in time far enough and even space wolves are cool. Pic related the only cool space wolf.

>>51777447

SnP has a major drawback, especially for Orks. No overwatch.

>>51777425
It's literally the same wording as Relentless, Except now you can't run/turbo boost/flat out, can't sweeping advance and can't overwatch.

>>51777483
Not like that matters when you're escorting a bunch of kustom mega kannonz.

>>51777426
You made me check the codex

>>51777496
Which makes it different from relentless and if one member of a unit has the rule, they all do unlike relentless.

>>51776055
The Emperor is Malal. The God of Atheism.

>>51777121
>Pretty sure the War in Heaven was a stalemate

Not according to the Newcron lore.

The Newcrons were unstoppable and they defeated the Old Ones before turning on the C'tan.

>>51777579
Damn you and your "technical correctness" anon
I actually didn't know that relentless wasn't conferred

>>51775789
how would one take down saint celestine? i cant think of a good way to do it as orks.

>>51777638
Meganobz

>>51775905
+1 ws bs s t and eternal warrior. Make storm bolters either assault 3 or increase their strength +1

>>51777645
how would that even work? she can just fly away.

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Reminder that Magnus can roll on daemonology
Source: black library faq csm updated January 20th 2017

>>51777110
Make him a sneaky warboss, has the cunning of a grot and has faked death to get out alive.. or he's mostly mek

Okay, I've made a space wolves list to attempt footslogging marines, since there's a good chance the grey hunters will get outflank.

Also Lone Wolves are the coolest fucking idea and I couldn't not use one.

>>51777676
Trukks?
Or you could try to blast her away with Kustom Mega Kannons

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>>51777703

Would help if I posted it.

>>51777730
That's a pretty cute list anon and it would work on 1000pts.

Unless you play some Tau faggot. Then you would get tabled turn 2.

>>51777730
what did you use to make this?

>>51777717
doesnt she have eternal warrior?

>>51777765
Yeah, but that's why you rely on number of attacks. You can swing with about 20-30 attacks

>>51777754

Excuse me, I think you'll find I'd get completely fucking bodied turn THREE, because the outflankers don't arrive until turn 2.

>>51777788
30 attacks? how big of a meganob squad is this?!

>>51777676
She only has ap3 so a 2 wound 2+ meganob is actually a pretty hard target for her to take down.

On the charge each nob as 4 s9 ap2 attacks, make sure to challange her out to stop her abusing her special rule by killing the body guards first then resolving all remaining attacks on her.

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>>51776355
>via 9gag.com

>>51777365

>Implying that Russ didn't fucked Renamon during his time on the Warp since all wishes there become true

>>51777850
each nob has 4 attacks on the charge so 30 attacks would be 8 nobz.

>>51777850
6 w/ Killsaws on the charge?
I fucked up my math

>>51777873
5 for saws.

>>51777867

>Implying that russ doesn't have sindoll's renamon and Krystal doujins somewhere in fenris and magnus stole it to use against him someday

>>51777892
3 base. +1 for saws, +1 for charging equals 5
5x6=30

>>51777920
you are right. i totally forgot about saws.

6 meganobs in a trukk might do her in.

>>51777920
Considering they come in boxes of 3 and trukks can hold 6 of them, that's not an unreasonable number to have.

>>51777856
Pretty sure she can still shuck wounds in a challenge, unless that was faq'd

>>51777969
She can but you get to choose to resolve the attacks outside the challenge first, IDing her bodyguards and then wounds would spill on to her.

If you attack her first she would take the wound, apply eternal warrior and then pass it on to her body guard meaning you would need 4 hits to kill them rather than 2.

>>51777805
Still turn two if you go first

>>51777951
Does around 6 wounds on average, so you'd need to be lucky.

>>51777680
Magnus the red is not found in the CSM codex, their FAQ does not apply to him,
Wrath of Magnus FAQ applies to him, Pink horrors, blue horrors and brimstones.
Also stupid since Magnus powers are not generated at all.
All of his powers are pretermined.
Otherwise daemons have the "all your psykers can take daemonology lulz"

>>51778014
Who gets to decide combat resolution? The attacker?

Anyone played daemons with the empyric storms?
Is it as fun (tm) as it seems it would be?

>>51778053
All your nobz go at I1, you have to resolve the nob in the challenge seperatly from other nobz so it makes sense you get to choose which of your units attacks you would like to resolve first.

>>51777856
>make sure to challenge her out
You do not get to decide who accept your challenges
>>51778076
You're assuming that:
A she doesn't kill the nob first;
B she's "alone".

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GOD FUCKING DAMMIT, GW. MOVE YOUR FUCKING PAINTS INTO DROPPER BOTTLES ALREADY. I'M TIRED OF PAYING $8 FOR YOUR STUPID WASHES ONLY TO HAVE $6 OF IT END UP IN THE GARBAGE BECAUSE YOUR GOD AWFUL POTS TIP OVER. FUCK

>>51778165
So slaughter her squad.
>she doesn't kill the nob first
She doesn't have ap2 and the nob has 2 wounds.

Honestly the problem here is getting the nobz in to combat with her in the first place.

>>51778165
She's pretty unlikely to kill the nob, although she can always refuse the challenge if she is alone.

>>51778166
Nice going, Fumbles

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How fucked is this?

>>51778166
>tipping pots over
maybe be less of a spaz and you won't have this problem

>>51778222
>Refuses challenge
>Kill the Gemini in on hit due to ID
>Rest get resolved on her
I'm not saying they're the best unit for the job, but Meganobz are pretty good against Celestine
Only foreseeable problem is Hit and Run

>>51776430
Better idea
New rule impenetrable X+
Against AP of X no armour save needed
Power weapons ignore it so they are made better again

>>51778326
>Nerf weapons with high S and high AP
No

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>>51778166

You can buy Army Painter washes, their colors are near identical to GW washes, or buy empty droppers and pour them in.

>>51778316
The Geminis are character themselves, they accept the challenge in her stead.
Then if you don't kill her outright she has hit&run, after that she can resurrect.

>>51778166

Why do you think GW raised the price and put their washes in taller pots with the same base size, so that they become taller and skinnier and easier to tip over?

The normal pots are just too squat and hard to tip over.

what's the most elite force that's still somewhat viable? Deathwatch?

>>51778326

Terminators Impenetrable 2 pls

>>51778326
Or you could just address the actual problem instead of slapping more special rules on things.

>>51778353
Oh they are?
Well still, I'm pretty confident that the Gemini are fucking toast,
So you just need to get 7 wounds min to kill Celestine the first time, and with 30 attacks I feel that's pretty acheivable. You just have to do it twice.

>>51778378

Space Wolf Thunderwolves, Imperial Knights, Riptide Wing, Ravenwing Knights. Everyone else is weenie spam.

>>51778298
>>51778233
You realize you can gently run your finger up the side of the tall pots and it'll start fucking tipping? Shit is so badly designed.

>>51778352
I already tried the dropper thing and it was worse because the tips of the caps on the bottles would not stop popping off...Not to mention how absolutely tedious it is to do the initial transfer. AND HAVE YOU TRIED FINDING A SIMPLE PLASTIC FUNNEL THAT DOESN'T COST AN ARM AND A LEG?

>>51778377
I'd switch over to Vallejo in a fucking heartbeat if I didn't have to order it online or drive 2 hours to pray a store has it.

>>51778397
>GW
>addressing the problem

Yeah like how they "addressed" the problem of 6E Tau and Eldar by buffing the living shit out of them despite them already being top 2 armies?

Did anyone watch the Warhammer TV twitch thing with the Ynncarne? What were the lists, they aren't posted on their website. I could not tell what Iron Warriors had at all from the video...

>>51778426

I use The War Store droppers. They are pricier than other droppers but you get what you pay for. The tips are harder to remove than the actual Vallejo ones, and snap shut solidly. They also come with really cool clear caps.

For transferring, I just poured it slowly. It was tedious yeah but it meant I didn't have to buy a fucking $8 mini funnel.

>>51776167
They weren't reborn, they would reincarnate.
When they died they still spent decades as little baby Eldar. Little baby that take years to conceive.

>>51778437
And how would an extra special rule fix anything when you know they'd just slap it on tau and eldar stuff.

>>51778459
Would the babies have the memories of its former self because that would be awkward

>>51778426
>run your finger up the side
You're supposed to have them in a paint holder shelf.

>>51776945
Endurance. You might have a point though

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how shit is this list hate welcomed

>>51778499
Sadly not all of us are fortunate enough to have enough space to put a paint holder shelf.

>>51778531
you would easily slaughter any list that doesnt have good anti tank.

and be massacred by anything that does.

might as well not play the game.

>>51778415
>You just have to do it twice.

Haha! You'll have to catch me first!

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Black Tau

>>51778475
>nobody should get buffs because Tau and Eldar would get buffs too
>even though Tau and Eldar are getting buffs regardless

Are you stupid?

>>51778326
I miss when a power weapon, was just a power weapon. I mean I like swords, but having to model everything with them gets stale after a while, and in the case of Chaos terminators is a major pain in the ass.

Hope 8e goes back to "Power Weapons ignore armor saves, we don't care how you modeled them."

>>51778426
>you will never run your finger up the side of a cute paint pot girl and have her spill her spaghetti wash everywhere

>>51778568
>ay yo where da white gue'vesa at?

>>51778571
I'm saying that trying to bandaid doesn't help, you need actual fixes to get anywhere. Otherwise you just end up with the grav situation.

Is the Start collecting Orks a good option? I wanna get into playing Orks because I like them. I'm honestly trying to have a super fast army so I'm reluctant to get the SC.

>>51778562
what is a good example of a list with good anti tank? tau?

>>51778566
>giggling orks chasing celestine through meadow of flowers anime.jpg

>>51778534
Well then you're unfortunate enough to have wash all over your shit

>>51778568
Has science gone too far?

>>51778599

inb4 grav marines

>>51778568
How can gue'vessa even compare?

>>51778599
grav marines

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>>51777863
Came from here though. Do you hang at 9gag a lot? I've never been.

>>51778596
Any Ork player help me out? Thank ya

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>>51778590
>>51778624

>>51778596
If you're not going to use the dread I wouldn't bother.

>>51778683
Are dreads good? It seems like a nice distraction.

>>51778596
It's ok if you want a deff dread, but you'll want to get more boyz and a warboss before games. Compare the prices of that to just buying some squads of boyz and a box of nobz on ebay. My brother was recently able to buy a starting ork army of forty+ boyz, a squad of nobz, and a warboss for not much over a hundred by buying the sprues on ebay.

>>51778703
Unless you're going full dread mob not really.

>>51778664
>when the waaagh hits

>>51776071
>How would you fix Tyranids?
Needs a whole fucking 30page essay, son.

>>51778724
Hm... I have £50 like so I'll have to look around.

>>51777760
>>51775789
Read. It.

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>>51776645
> Yfw your fingers have better Grip Strength in reverse

>>51778044
The predetermined powers doesn't stop him from rolling for powers and Magnus is taken with the csm as a lord of war choice
Daemons can take daemonology read their faq

>>51778596
if you want a fast army i would just get warbikes instead of a start collecting box.

>>51778903
>and Magnus is taken with the csm as a lord of war choice
This doesn't matter. He's not in the Codex so it's erratas don't apply to him.

What forge world book ha rules for death Korpa of krieg.

>>51776409
>>51776434
>>51776471

It's called being double jointed, and no, most normal non double jointed people can't push their finger back that far.

>>51775905
Reducing the AP of any weapon that shoots at them is a great start & may fix them in one go.

Terminators are fine for starters, but fold to the proliferation of AP2 shooting. So, AP2 guns become AP3 against termies.

Next, either an extra T or FNP native. That will help them withstand tons of small-arms fire to better reflect what they are supposed to be.

TWC & Wulfen would need a price increase, also.

>>51776434

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypermobility_(joints)

It's not normal you stupid fuck

>>51778989
truly hypermobile joints can do 180 degree turns on themselves. anyone can do what he did, it's just uncomfortable

>>51778703
>>51778596
They're not total shit for their points but dont expect much, at least the Ork dreads are cheap.

Boyz should be run with no upgrades other than a nob and shootas for the boyz.
Some people say give him a bosspole, trukk and klaw but in my opinion it's better to only buy a big choppa and shoota so you can just it as a throw away meat shield squad. They cost too much otherwise.

Use the nobz as squad leaders for the boyz and various other squads you may get.

Painboy is a good HQ but you want a warboss.

Overall it's a good box but I wouldn't buy more than one. Get a warboss and more grotz/boyz to round it out, best to convert one from some bikers + a nob from your nob squad or a mega nob.

>>51778984
Removing the ability for AP 2 to do its job is bad.

Up their invulns to 4+ base, up their Toughness to counter small arms, and buff their Storm Bolters and Assault Cannons because part of their problem is the inability to put out enough damage, not just inability to soak up damage.

can someone explain why skitarii and cult mechanics aren't in the same book?

>>51779051
They staggered the release.

>>51779051
No one really knows, dude. Best guess is GW being jewish.

>>51779037
Storm bolters are really a terrible choice for terminators.

>>51779103
Exactly. They shouldn't be.

>>51776071

Literally just revert to their 3e codex.

>>51779113
I mean they should have a different weapon entirely. Mixing anti infantry and anti armor on a single unit is a terrible choice of armament.

>>51779137
What anti armor weapons are you talking about?

>>51779170
Powerfists. The units I want to kill with fists are not units I want to be shooting stormbolters at.

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>>51779103
They look so fucking goofy, too. Like..."HURR. I'M A WALKING TANK...with my armies equivalent pistol..."
I mean, look how fucking ridiculous they look...

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I feel my list is very much in the same vein as >>51778531. Nonetheless, here it is. Also preds are a stand in for two Sicarians w/ ceramite and las-sponsons.

>>51779137
They have storm bolters on the models and always have, its iconic.

People who say "just do X to fix this old iconic unit" when X completely destroys the point of that unit are retarded.

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>Aeldari
Top kek

>>51779193
So then they'll always be dogshit.

>>51779184
You don't use them both in the same round. Mixing anti armour melee with anti infantry shooting is fine.

>>51778596
Anon, Orks are really bad right now. Don't get into them.

But if you must, Warbikers & Mek Guns.

>>51779203
2E disagrees you clueless newfag.

>>51779207
Except you can only charge what you shoot.

>>51779225
We're not in 2E anymore

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>>51779191
need to read the codex bro. Scouts can only take land speeder storm as dedicated transport. Don't let the list builder think for you. You have to read the codex.

>>51779202
Love you cheetah anon. Like clockwork.

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>>51779186
Their heretical brothers look pretty badass though.

>>51779239
>Except you can only charge what you shoot
So shoot infantry and charge to finish them off, or charge armour and don't bother shooting.

Jesus you're bad at this.

>>51779271
And then you're paying for two weapons but only using one of them effectively.

>>51775905

I think the main problem is to figure out what the main problem is with terminators.
>too much Ap1/2 weaponry

This isn't a problem with terminators as much as it's a problem with the state of the game. Increasing the price of things like Plasma and Grav(a whole different animal) would be a potential solution. Melta might be a concern then, but the limited range could potentially make up for that.

>vulnerable to small arms fire
This can potentially be fixed within the terminators themselves. Higher T, more wounds, FnP ect. However, if every single army has enough dudes to drown terminators in small arms fire, then there's a potential problem with the game, too, but I don't think we're quite there yet.

>they don't do enough
This is a two fold problem. They don't do much and other units do more for similar cost. Making their base weapon better is a decent option. Maybe giving them Heavy Bolters as a standard option would go a long way to making them better stock with cheaper and/or more heavy weapons. This applies to CSM, too of course.

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Alright so I know that the Salamanders aren't black people black just black skin but are they based on African culture?

There's a lot of references to greek names for things but their individual names sound kinda African.
Also the forgeworld upgrade kit has pelts and teeth necklaces that look kinda African.

I like the Salamanders but I'm not sure if I should go with them.
Call me a racist but I'd rather not identify with a chapter based on black people.
Maybe it's appropriation or something like that

>>51779249
Aw fug. I did have it like that initially, though. Though having the extra firepower would be nice. Well, More points elsewhere.

>>51779270
>Fight for millennia to secure terminator armor.
>our arm turns into a wet noodle as soon as you get it

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>>51779270
As well as their even more pious brothers.

>>51779278
You don't pay anything extra for the base equipment on termies you fucking idiot. That's not how the point system even works. Also you're implying you won't get the chance to do both in one game, or that versatility in being able to deal with multiple threats is bad. Take your shit understanding of game design and leave.

>>51779310
Except I could take the points I would spend on terminators and do both jobs better with specialist units.

>>51779303
Gotta admit, GK termie helmets are fucking awesome looking. I think the thing that makes regular terminators look silly is the pauldrons. CSM and GK termies have trim and protrusions on their pauldrons and makes them look more like upscaled marines as they should be. Regular terminators have that flat lump pauldron that doesn't fully jive with the rest of the Imperium's aesthetic. Lore-wise it makes sense since terminator armor is archeotech but it just looks off.

>>51775905
Give them a rule that makes all shooting and melee attacks -1 strength.

>>51779337
I don't like the helmets in that picture too much. I am dangerously infatuated with the Paladin helmets, which I use on all my GK terms.

>>51775905
Make them troops
Make them even cheaper
lel

I have always thought tac marines are shit

>>51775905
>-Increase to t5
>-Termie armour gives 1 extra wound
What are centurions?

>>51779303
I like everything about Grey Knight terminator armor except the body peice, I much prefer the giant flatbackpack that Indomitus Terminator Armor has.

Who are the /best/ space marine chapter crunch wise?

>>51779296
You are racist. No they aren't African.

>>51779419
Really fucking awful and stupid looking, also unavailable to traitors.

>>51779296
honestly if they were black with token whites they'd be alright. But being lava golems in blackface makes them too lel for me.

>>51779296
Literally everything about them is Greek you tard. If you wanna go full stormfront play Space Wolves or something.

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>>51779252
No not me anon. Love the majestic cheetah.

>>51779296
Nothing racist about that even though people are gonna accuse you of it, but fluff tends to switch over between depicting them as greco-romans with black skin to africans and back all the time. Its really however you want to think of them.

>>51779441
taste detected, what are you doing here?

>>51779467
their skin isn't greek

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>>51779467
>Tfw the viking faction is bunch of gay furry faggots.
Imperial Guard is a real white nationalists army.

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>>51779489
You're right. Technically it's Roman.

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>>51779441
>also unavailable to traitors.
As are all good units and weapons but I guess that's what you get for turning from the emperors light, heretic.

>>51779497
True racists would play dark eldar, I've never seen a brown DE

>>51779505
kek

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>tfw cant choose between banner and iron halo on space marine captain's backpack
life is a struggle I tell you what

>>51779513
>race is about skin color
You beautiful, beautiful thing.

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>>51779544

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>>51779549
Fucking hell racism is hard

>>51779544
backpacks suck. iron halo

>>51779544
What chapter?
Jump pack?

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>>51779438
>>51779467
Alright but look at these names

Tu'Shan
Zek Tsu'Gan
N'keln
Ko'tan Kadai
He'stan

Idk but to me it sounds pretty African.

Also look at the forgeworld kits. Definitely evokes tribal African cultures.

>>51779571
Bubble raiders are so fucking awful looking

>>51779573
Planning on making a Dark Angels company master out of robbed company veteren bodies and the head and weapons from the dark angels upgrade sprue, with the eagle and cape backpack from the commander box.

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>>51779571
meant to post this pic

>>51779551
>What does that juggalo has anything to do with anyth-
Oh you, anon.

>>51779497
I agree with you. I wanted to play them too but literally every other person at my local shop plays them and orks.

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>bought the start collecting CSM box because I needed another squad of dudes and helbrutes are cool as fuck
>don't really have a use for the terminator lord

I was thinking of just magnetizing him and the helbrute so I could swap their weapons out but I'm still not too sure what to actually do with the terminator lord. I was thinking maybe using him as a sorceror or something but I play KDK so it's not like I can take a sorceror. I guess I could take him in kill teams or something but I'm pretty new to the hobby.

>>51779591
Iron halo, the banner would be too much with the robes while the halo keeps his visual footprint nice and compact.

>>51779616
yeah good point plus the banner would obscure the silhouette of his angel-winged helmet

>>51779603
Can I move to where you're at? That sounds like a dream! All anyone plays everywhere else is space marines.

>>51779615
Buy a squad of cultists and make them fearless with him. Make him effectively have 10 extra wounds for 50 points.

>>51779615
Wait, I thought the Helbrute was the crappy monopose one from DV?

Why not use him as a Termi lord with the one relic axe that pops out a Bloodthirster when you die? Or Goredrinker? Or an Axe of Khorne? So Axe and Claw for maximum benefits.

>>51779582
Dude that's some made up fantasy shit. Celestial Lions are legit African. Chapter Master Ekene Dubaku.

>>51779615
If you dont need another lord then, sell him?
You've already got a discount on the hellbrute and marine so you can flip the lord for 'profit'.

>>51779497
I actually wanna see someone with a Krieg army painted up to look like Nazis now. It wouldn't even be hard really - black trenchcoats, maybe black tanks, and some red striping and swastika decals on the tanks and banners. It'd actually look really good. Fucking hell, the Nazis had good fashion sense.

>>51778703

Dreads are bad outside of focusing exclusively on them. They explode into fireworks vs most armies. They're pretty underwhelming on the off chance they manage to close the distance too; WS4 means half their attacks will miss, they don't get 'Ere We Go or WAAAGH for unknown reasons, and they max out at 7 attacks on the charge. Pretty underwhelming. They can sort of work if you spam them, but that's just because you're counting on the enemy not bringing enough AT to deal with them all.

>>51778596

Only good thing in the Ork Start Collecting box is the Painboy. Otherwise it's all tax. Boyz are rubbish and Nobz jostle with Orkanauts for the worst unit in the codex.

Good news is you want to GO FAST, and that's really the only way Orks work right now. You want Biker Boyz, Meganobz in Trukks and Mek Gunz. Buggies are also pretty good.

>>51779551
KEK'D

>>51779641
Yeah it's kinda weird. I'm going SM to break away from the crowd. I couldn't even find anyone to buy old SM models off of. Most of them are vets so I think that's why they're attracted to the IG.

>>51779571
>racism is hard
Only if you grow up in a sheltered community with very little non-white presencs.

>>51779664
I thought so too, but on the box it's the normal one, and I checked inside the box just in case - he's got all his weapon options except maybe a second power fist. I didn't give it a full check but he's at least got the tentacles, auto gun, plasma cannons, hammer and fists.

I already run a juggernaut lord but I guess more options are never bad.

>>51779667
Well that makes me feel a lot better.

Salamanders it is!

>>51779696
he said it's not about skin colour. you use non white. you fuckers make no sense.

>>51779675
A guy I know painted his IG in the same style as he did his bolt action nazi troops.

>>51779722
You need two troops for a CAD.

>>51779688
In my experience, vets tend to gravitate to chaos. Lots of conversion options, tons of flavor. IG has some of that too, though.

>>51779664
>Wait, I thought the Helbrute was the crappy monopose one from DV?

It's okay to check GW webstore once a year.

>>51779782
Its a bit of waste of time to check out how its hanging for Helbrutes.