Slambo is back.

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>>51775633

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>>51775652

>>51775633
Nice to see they've not forgotten that all Chaos worshippers don't strip naked.

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Old mini

I am totally okay with retro resculpts

shame they'll probably never remake the basic chaos warrior

>>51775680
>$50
I hope that's in Australia.

>>51776226
New Zealand i'm guessing, that's where GW post all their stuff first.

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>>51775633
Motherfucking based Rountree.

>>51776356
He looks much younger and less Jewish than I imagined him.

>>51776226
>>51776312
It's new zealand. He's probably gonna clock in at around 29 USD

>>51776424
He's barely 45 IIRC. And a pretty decent dude at that. Someone here said he gladly accepted a beer when he visited the HQ and turned out to be a really cool bloke, hobbyist at heart.

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/AoS_Warscrolls/AoS_Slambo_Warscroll_EN.pdf

Here's his warscroll

>>51776356
This motherfucker right here is responsible for GW turning over a new leaf lately. Better deals, returning of specialist games, reopening with the community, more frequent FAQs, pretty much damage control on everything that asshole "we are not a game company" kirby did.

I tip my fedora to you, sir. (metaphorically of course, i don't wear a fedora)

>>51775633
>Wow, someone went all out on that mirro- oh.

>>51776898
personally I'm pretty unhappy with the way the meta-plot has been going, and I'm still mourning the death of WHFB, but I'm very impressed with the business decisions that GW have been making. Everything seems focused on making the hobby easier on newbies, while still throwing bones for us grognards in terms of specialist games and community engagement.

>>51777046
>death of WHFB
It lives and it's called AoS. If it's the old rules you're mourning, well, my condolences, but I don't.

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>tfw too intelligent for age of shitmar
why did fantasy have to die for this retarded cancer?

>>51777145
Fantasy players were too intelligent to buy models.

>>51777145
and you feel the need to announce your hatred at every turn? let it go anon

>>51777114
The lore is pretty different too, you know.

>>51777114
Setting kill is kind of a big deal. Maybe a spin off.

But making the hordes of models GW basically force the players into with shitty rules since sixth edition pointless is a dick move.

Maybe if the bastard actually try of fixing the game instead of pushing cash grabs and idiotic rules AoS could exist today as an spinoff like a fantasy version of kill team.

You can't expect your consumer to keep up with ever bigger armies while also making each box with less models and more expensive.

>>51777114
come on now, the fluff and setting of AoS and WHFB are different worlds.
I can still play in it, I can still have games of (glorious 6th ed) WHFB, but that doesn't mean that the game WHFB has been killed and replaced with AoS.

>>51777145
Age of Sigmar has more tactical depth though.

>>51777145
You can still play fantasy mate, agreed that AOS lore is weak right now but at least you got your closure rather than another 5 years in limbo like pre end times, you had fair warning of what was to come mate. I miss old world lore as much as the next guy but there's other games out there to play, the lore's still there to read and let's face it, a lot of end times stuff was shit anyway. At least the setting we love had a proper send off y'know? No one has taken away from it and at least it didn't continue the slow drift into obscurity.

>>51777207
Does it? Never played WHFB but Age of Sigmar seems a bit shallow honestly, it's my first wargame and I've moved on since. It feels balanced compared to what I play now but without a good scenario it does just turn into a moshpit like everyone criticises it for. I don't hate it and it's good to bash out a few rounds in with smaller armies but I don't think it works too well unless you put a lot of effort into building on the setting through scenarios and special rules and stuff at which point you can just play a more in depth system and not have to worry with the hassle.

Still playing and building my forces though, it's got it's pros and cons just like anything else.

Oh well, it's become an anti-AoS shitposting thread.

I'm outta here.

>>51777292
>Does it?

It doesn't. It's a meme AoS players trot out when their game is mentioned outside of its designated ghetto of a general thread.

>>51777292
I'm super tired so don't jump down my throat for the inconsistencies lads, what I meant to say was it's not my main game anymore, that's how I've moved on, I still play it 'on the side' though.

>>51777308
Fair enough, the hatred for it seems so stupid though, it's just a game, it might not be amazing but we all knew that Fantasy was on it's way out.

After playing my first few 40k and Warmachine games I had a bit of a system shock though, it felt like I had so many more options than usual. Still love Sigmar for how easy it is to relax with, I can have a game going in the background with some mates at mine while we grab some beers and chat shit for a few hours, it's nice in that way where I don't feel I could do that with other games, maybe I just don't know the rules properly yet though.

>>51777292

People who call simplistic systems shallow simply have no talent for naturally mining tactical depth themselves. Checkers only has two possible movements, yet it has plenty of tactical depth.

What AoS lacks compared to WHFB was the depth of its lore, scope, and strategies. AoS is like one giant skirmish. It's not its fault that players just tend to allow the game state to result in a giant dog pile. WHFB was about grand sweeping regiments.

>>51778100
Checkers is a solved game. Can something have tactical depth if it is solved?

Not really relevant I guess but something that sprang to mind.

>>51778100
>It's not its fault that players just tend to allow the game state to result in a giant dog pile.
If there were better strategies, surely people would use them?
If there are no better strategies, then that certainly is the game's fault.

>>51777250
Nah, End Times was the worst of all. It's actually considerably worse than Shitmar. Shitmar I'll at least consider playing, but I would have preferred if Fantasy was simply allowed to go quietly into the night. Having some rookie writers shitcan the entire setting permanently is just depressing.

>>51778451
>Having some rookie writers shitcan the entire setting permanently is just depressing.

You're an idiot.

>>51778690
>hurf durf rats xD
Kill you are self.

>>51778451
>Having some rookie writers shitcan the entire setting permanently is just depressing.

Maybe if you're some kind of babby faggot.
GW are free to bring the setting back if they wish, all that they did was provide one last story. You don't have to like that story, but you don't need to pay attention to it either.

>>51777046
That's not really something a CEO can fix without gutting and replacing creative teams, which is pretty difficult.

>>51777114
How much are you paid?

>>51777114

AoS may well be the fantasy skirmish game I've been waiting for all my gaming life but it doesn't matter because the lore is dogshit and the minis look like WoW rejects.

>>51778976
>AoS is shit!
>I can't play fantasy anymore because GW sent mercenaries to burn all my rule books and Shove a sigmarine up my ass!
>a-anyone who disagrees with me is a shill!

Dude, do you ever get tired of repeating the same shit over and over again? It's been almost 2 years now that fantasy has been dead, just give it up already it's quite sad. Everything in that statement is objectively true, it's your choice to be a frothing gongard and be angry all the time. Stop coming into AoS related threads if it triggers you so hard, it's not hard at all to ignore content you aren't interested in

>>51779057
>Stop coming into AoS related threads if it triggers you so hard, it's not hard at all to ignore content you aren't interested in

Not that I don't agree I just feel the need to point out that this AoS related thread is about the release of a resculpt of a classic model. It's basically bait to try and get grognards to notice AoS so it's pretty unavoidable.

>>51775633
HE RETURNS

>>51775633
>make AoS totally ani-WHFB
>for some reasons brings back old WHFB minis
No seriously, not trolling or whinning, but what's the point?

>>51781260
To sell minis.

>>51781284
But to who? Newcomers (AoS audience) knew no shit abot Slambo.

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>>51776356
>Motherfucking based Rountree.
>based

>>51781260
Slambo is too mighty to die in the End Times.

>>51781315
Barely anyone knows about Slambo, he's just a fun meme release, it's limited edition and resin.

>>51781331
>Barely anyone knows about Slambo
But AoS was "fuck u" for such people since the first compendium for 4 page rules

>>51781353
>But AoS was "fuck u" for such people

No.

>>51781260
It's a desperate bid to try and get older players who quit when WHFB blew up to try AoS.

That's really all it is.

>>51781391
Yes.

I can say pointless shit too, it doesn't actually prove anything, you mong.

>>51781391
Not that guy but I can't believe there are any people out there who knew who Slambo was and weren't incredibly pissed off when GW killed the setting.

>>51781391
>No.
>totally new direction of setting, where "your dudes" totally irrelevant
>meme-rules fol old armies just to send their players off
>No
SOunds like a cuck

>>51781315
I don't know shit about Warhammer, but with a name like Slambo, he MUST be top tier.

>>51781415
>>51781418
>>51781421
Just think you retards why would they tell you "fuck u"? How does that serve their business?
People who attribute malice to AoS are shit eating dopes.
Not liking it is fine, but stop taking it personal and getting offended.

>>51781421
>"your dudes" totally irrelevant

They're more relevant now because there's more space for them.
Fantasy had a very constricting world.

>>51781459
>why would they tell you "fuck u"?
Because players refused to buy 8th edition bullshit.
>How does that serve their business?
To get rid of old playerbase.
>shit eating dopes.
Look who is talking.
>but stop taking it personal and getting offended.
Dude, I am not even WHFB player.

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>>51781398
I don't think they care about the old WFB players as buyers of their products at this point. They looked at the W40K sales vs Fantasy and changed their Fantasy offering to be another version of 40K. Both games are gay as fucking hell to play, but please keep buying it so we can get more BB, EPIC 40K and Necromunda stuff (and LotR).

>>51781499
lol

>>51781503
>Because players refused to buy 8th edition bullshit.

How does that make AoS a fuck you?

>To get rid of old playerbase.

How does that serve their business?

>Dude, I am not even WHFB player.

So? Doesn't mean you're not being a little bitch.

>>51781499
>They're more relevant now because there's more space for them.
It works only for sigmarines.
>Fantasy had a very constricting world.
And it was good, since you had a lot of ways to relate your army with something interesting and important in setting.

>>51781459
>Just think you retards why would they tell you "fuck u"? How does that serve their business?
>>51781503
>>How does that serve their business?To get rid of old playerbase.

What I was going to post. Old fags didn't buy enough and the game was too toxically bloated to pull in those sweet, sweet, momma bucks.

>KInda glad they're gonna kill 40k the same way. I'll finally be free of the yolk.

>>51781518
>please keep buying it so we can get more ... EPIC 40K

You're not going to get any more Epic from them as you know it. Not when they can jew the scale on you for more of your shiney ducats.

>>51781528
>It works only for sigmarines.

How?

>And it was good, since you had a lot of ways to relate your army with something interesting and important in setting.

AoS is better because you can make your own locations while still fitting into the world.

>>51781525
>How does that make AoS a fuck you?
Let me guess you didn't read first AoS rules?
>How does that serve their business?
To make safespace for their new customers.
>So? Doesn't mean you're not being a little bitch.
Oh it another buttblasted AoS players...

>>51781555
New epic already confirmed.

>>51781559
Yeah sure my guys really fit in THE WORLD OF FIRE. They're right at home next to GENERIC FIREY WORLD THAT IS NOT DESCRIBED AT ALL BEYOND BEING GENERIC AND FIREY.

>>51781573
No,

Rescaled Adeptus Titanicus has been previewed. It ain't the same thing. See also comment about jewing with the scale.

>>51781563
>Let me guess you didn't read first AoS rules?

I did, bad rules don't mean fuck u.

>To make safespace for their new customers

How does making people like you even more catty and annoying make for a safe space?

>>51781538
I love to play 8th ed. However I went into the edition with an army already. I think the barrier to entry because of the unit sizes (most armies required at least one huge block of infantry) were just too fucked for anyone that didn't have shit already. Playing with those big blocks of models is fucking awesome though.

>>51781559
>How?
Well since they are main posterboys and literally Space Marines, so aqnything with them be more relvant for setting.
>AoS is better because you can make your own locations while still fitting into the world.
Yeah and with the same result it could fit any other world, since AoS copying DC multiverse

>>51781577
Don't project your own lack of imagination.

>>51781596
it's 10mm right? It's a cunt move but painting 6mm infantry isn't the most satisfying thing...

>>51781606
>bad rules
And I talking about meme-rules for old armies.
>How does making people like you even more catty and annoying make for a safe space?
1) Like me?
2) To clean stores from them

>>51781621
>Well since they are main posterboys and literally Space Marines, so aqnything with them be more relvant for setting.

How does it only work for them though?

>Yeah and with the same result it could fit any other world,

No, because there are specific factions.

>since AoS copying DC multiverse

How? Doesn't DC have 52 universes or something?

>>51781632
No, it's worse than 10mm its the literally orphan scale of fucking 8mm. It matches NOTHING that's commercially available.

Also, it's totally academic what scale they claim the infantry is, as in the new Titan game, there fucking isn't any. It's truly just an excuse to rescale the war machines to try to force obsolescence.

>>51775633
More importantly, who is slambo anyways?

>>51781644
>And I talking about meme-rules for old armies.

So? Did the scary GW death squads force you out of your bed and make you play AoS and stroke your moustache and bribe your opponent?

>1) Like me?

Yes, like you.

>2) To clean stores from them

Were you too smelly for the stores?

>>51781657
>How does it only work for them though?
>>51781657
>anything with them be more relvant for setting by default

>No, because there are specific factions.
Such as..?
>How?
Schematic multiverse with poor written common system.
>Doesn't DC have 52 universes or something?
I mean old DC multiverse, sorry.

>>51781696
>Did the scary GW death squads force you out of your bed and make you play AoS and stroke your moustache and bribe your opponent?
Well, if players had only GWstore in their area then kind of yes.
>Yes, like you.
And where exactly, I bitching?
>Were you too smelly for the stores?
Nah I don't play in GW store. Or this was another brilliant humor from AoS player?

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Imagine a future where GW actually tried to fix fantasy instead of axing it

>>51781559
Tell me when the regular dudes from the Empire, or the Orcs tribes from the Bad lands or others of the like accomplished anything of any note in AoS.

Go ahead, I'll wait.

>>51781705
>Such as..?

Like Chaos or Orcs.

>Schematic multiverse with poor written common system.

AoS is not a multiverse. There's eight realms in one universe. There's also the Realm of Chaos which is another universe I suppose, but that was the same as Fantasy.

>>51781743
>Tell me when the regular dudes from the Empire, or the Orcs tribes from the Bad lands or others of the like accomplished anything of any note in AoS.

There was an Engineer who designed Greywater Fastness who blew up an entire invading Chaos army.

>>51781682
A meme warrior of chaos from a time all but forgotten.

>>51781724
>Well, if players had only GWstore in their area then kind of yes.

No, not at all. It;s not like GW evicted you from your home.

>And where exactly, I bitching?

Here and now. You imagine slights were there are none and complain about it.

>Nah I don't play in GW store. Or this was another brilliant humor from AoS player?

You admitted you needed to be cleaned from stores.

>>51781734

Just another piece of the continuing evidence of this being worst timeline.

>>51781793
I can respect that, fuck I'll probably buy one since I already play chaos because of that.

>>51781853
Away cuck!

>>51781559

AoS isn't even a world, it's barely defined infinite planes of existence limited only by association to some type of magic.

So yes, pretty much anything you can come up with fits in them. And the problem is exactly that, with out any meaningful constraints, boundaries or context nothing you put in there actually matters.

It tries to be everything to everyone and ends up being nothing to no one.

>>51781954
>AoS isn't even a world, it's barely defined infinite planes of existence

No, they're finite.

>So yes, pretty much anything you can come up with fits in them. And the problem is exactly that, with out any meaningful constraints, boundaries or context nothing you put in there actually matters.

Things matter. The All Points matter.
Azyrheim matters.
Places matter, but there's room enough where you can have your own.

>>51781734
You can't fix a game that makes 2% of GW's sales

>>51778440
>If there were better strategies, surely people would use them?
there are and people who use them tend to win.
Its just many if not most players choose to just dogpile in the middle, which works if the other guy is also dog piling.

>>51781778
>Like Chaos
You trying to imply that only AoS setting have daemons and their servants?
>Orcs
There is no orcs in Warhammer.
>There's eight realms
Yeah and each of them are endless and have place for any shit pulled out of your or other people ass.

>>51782000
>Places matter,
Only headquarters

>Lifeless resculpt of old mini that is essentially just a sterile version that 100% misses the appeal of the source material
>that will be 30 dollars

AOS in a nutshell

Kill me

>>51782145
>You trying to imply that only AoS setting have daemons and their servants?

Nope, but those specific daemons and servants, yes.

>There is no orcs in Warhammer.

Yeah there are.

>Yeah and each of them are endless and have place for any shit pulled out of your or other people ass.

They have ends, and having place for expansion and player invention is good!

>>51782161
>Only headquarters

No, plenty places. Cities and magical places too.

>>51781821
>It;s not like GW evicted you from your home.
Yeah you can play bby meme-rules, or didn't play at all. Sounds like "fuck u" exactly.
>Here and now.
Where exactly?
>You imagine slights were there are none
Says who..?
>You admitted you needed to be cleaned from stores.
Well, it's not me, but GW vision.

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>Slambo is back!
>no one cares, just want to argue about AoS and WFB

I doubt there's anyone even old enough to know who Slambo is anymore. Just a bunch of baby-faced newfags who'd screech at any old models in their gamestore and only like what they care about. I'm certainly one of those but fuck stop arguing in every thread.

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>>51782210
>literal physical incarnation of the divine between AoS and WHF
>S-stop arguing guys

>>51782190
>but those specific daemons and servants
Such as..? Named characters?
>Yeah there are.
Check GW site.
>They have ends
Proofs?
>and having place for expansion and player invention is good!
It's like open world in Skyrim
>Cities and magical places too.
And how many cities appears more than 1 time in fluff, except headquarters?

>>51782063
This is, literally, a meme. GW NEVER has said anything substantial about the comparative value of it's lines.

>>51782195
>Sounds like "fuck u" exactly.

But not at all. They're under no obligation to host you.

>Where exactly?

Right now.

>Says who..?

You. You imagine they're trying to fuck you when at worst they're just not paying attention.

>Well, it's not me, but GW vision.

But why do you need to go? If you're not imagining it it's probably because you smell.

>>51777250
A bad ending is worse than no ending.

>>51782257
>You. You imagine they're trying to fuck you
>But why do you need to go?
Again, why me,. since I am not even playing GW games?

>>51782236
>Such as..?

Like types of daemons. The way they look and the like.

>Check GW site.

Yup, Orcs still there.

>Proofs?

The opening lore.

>And how many cities appears more than 1 time in fluff, except headquarters?

Plenty. Hammerhal is being mentioned often.
Uryx has been mentioned more than once.

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>>51782210

>>51782300
>Again, why me

You're posting here and now.

>I am not even playing GW games?

Not even relevant.

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>>51782234
This is what I think of your physical incarnation of the divine

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Remember harry the hammer?
When they put out a nice model based on old nostalgia?
I don't know about you, but I much prefer this very lazy removal of all the charm of the original into a soulless detailless piece of garbage with no value whatsoever except the nostalgia instead of an homage representing the artistic leaps the company has made by re-imaging an old design.
Maybe its because they're regressing artistically

>>51782305
>Like types of daemons. The way they look and the like.
Explain this please.
>Yup, Orcs still there.
Last time I checked it was Orruks.
>The opening lore.
Nah, post page.
>Plenty. Hammerhal is being mentioned often.
>Uryx has been mentioned more than once.
And how they were mentioned?

>>51782324
>You're posting here and now.
So what? People shouldn't talk about AoS in bad way?
>Not even relevant.
Because..?
Holy shit, I never thoought Warhammer community is so cancerous.

>>51782458
>Explain this please.

What's to explain? If you like Chaos other settings will not have it, even if they have something similar.

>Last time I checked it was Orruks.

Orruks are just Orcs.

>Nah, post page.

The opening lore page.

>And how they were mentioned?

In fluff. Hammerhal is the new Warhammer Quest setting for example.

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>>51782396
>they're regressing artistically

Thank god. Long have I waited for the great age to come again.

>>51782468
>So what? People shouldn't talk about AoS in bad way?

No. Talk bad about because it's not a good game. Don't cry about GW being mean to you and saying "fuck u" to you even though they did not.

>Because..?

Because you're crying about it.

Just love how every thread like this devolved into a shit fight about AoS, you never change /tg/... don't ever change

>>51782493
>What's to explain?
How exactly daemons design are specific and not like in other settings.
>Orruks are just Orcs.
things had different names for reasons, anona. (Still feel sweet irony about how ended holywar about orcs).
>The opening lore page.
I tried 2 years (because was excited about AoS).
>Hammerhal is the new Warhammer Quest setting for example.
So still nothing important.

>>51779057
>Stop coming into AoS related threads if it triggers you so hard

>Yells at old WFB player for coming into a thread featuring an old model only old WFB players would care about.

>>51782520
>Don't cry about GW being mean to you and saying "fuck u" to you
Oh dear Lord, read the fucking thread, i didn't cried or whinned, I just asked the question here >>51781260 who supposed to buy this model, newcomers who knew no shit about Slambo or oldfags who was sended off from GW audience with clownish meme-rules?

>>51777114
Kys redshirt

>>51782617
>How exactly daemons design are specific and not like in other settings.

By having specific designs. You won't find specifically a Plaguebearer in other settings for example.

>things had different names for reasons, anona.

Name them.

>I tried 2 years (because was excited about AoS).

Try again, it confirms finite world.

>So still nothing important.

Why nothing important? It's as important as ttowns and cities in the Empire.

>>51782647
>i didn't cried or whinned

You keep doing it you babby bitch.

>>51782655
If you don't understand why "The golden fortress of az'haryil" is harder to care about then "Gronnelburg" You have no narrative sensibilities whatsoever

>>51782680
Why should I care about about Altdorf than Hammerhal?

>>51782655
>You won't find specifically a Plaguebearer in other settings for example.
Oh come on shitton of setting have "evil god of decay and plague".
>Name them.
Why should I do it instead of GW?
>Try again,
Nope, I was too disappointed at first time, please, post the page.
>Why nothing important?
I mean place becomes irrelevant right after the next expansion.

>>51782715
Because second looks like another Stormwind?

>>51782736
>Oh come on shitton of setting have "evil god of decay and plague".

Sure, but specifically Nurgle? No.

>Why should I do it instead of GW?

Why not? I say they still Orcs you say not because name makes them different.

>Nope, I was too disappointed at first time, please, post the page.

Go download from the general.

>I mean place becomes irrelevant right after the next expansion.

How do you know this?

>>51782715
Because altdorf is a flehsed out city full of human beings in a very human world, Hammerhall is a literal god's fortress full of token humans who are there for no reason at all, and hey we know what happens if the bad guys win, shit just happens again but this time sillier.

>>51782817
Hammerhal is not a fortress, it's a city of people just like Altdorf.

>>51782765
>but specifically Nurgle?
What do you mean by this? How Nurgle's daemons aesthetics doesn't fit
>evil god of decay and plague"
from other settings?
>Why not?
Because I am not working in AoS fluff department.
>you say not because name makes them different.
Because that's how methodologyworks, if two things named different by the same author/authors, they are different, for some reason (probably because GW are too spineless).
>Go download from the general.
Nope, post page please.
>How do you know this?
Because that's how it worked durring two years of AoS (novels, battletomes).

>>51782858
>What do you mean by this?

Specifically Nurgle does not exist outside warhammer.

>Because I am not working in AoS fluff department.

And so?

>they are different

Well I tell you they are Orc.

>Nope, post page please.

No, I don't have book with me.

>Because that's how it worked durring two years of AoS (novels, battletomes).

How?
Many laces became more important over time.
All points originally was very little.
Urxy was only one small mention and became a novel.

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>>51782834
People who exist because they didn't want to alienate people who had empire armies.
The point is that it isn't a city built by a few humans by a river, it's a city built around a fucking interdientional gate by a god who's only defining characteristic is that this space marine commanding god emperor has an actual name and is still alive . It is just a fact that the further from relateable human you get the more and more difficult it will be to get invested in a setting.

>>51782905
>People who exist because they didn't want to alienate people who had empire armies.

No, Stormcast only exist to save people from Chaos. Regular people exist in the setting beyond Empire armies.

Funny thing is that Age of Sigmar did something that was required: getting rid of the ridiculous bloat of WHFB, but since it removed what made Warhammer appealing at all, the setting, there's no reason to want to even play it.

WHFB suffered from what 40k suffers from in that it became basically Warmaster in 28mm scale.

>>51782902
>Specifically Nurgle does not exist outside warhammer.
So what?
>Well I tell you they are Orc.
And says that they are Orruks.
>No, I don't have book with me.
Then doqnload and post page here.
>Urxy was only one small mention and became a novel.
And how it will make it more relevant if it didn't appears again, since AoS setting implies that there is shitton of the same places?

>>51782958
>And GW says that they are Orruks.
>Then download and post page here.
fix

>>51782931
You have it the wrong way around. Regular people exist to be saved by stormcast.

>>51782951
my beef with AoS isn't the rules, it's the fucking awful aesthetic and total tonal shift. They COULD have done a post chaos apocalypse game set in warhammer fantasy, but instead they do whatever it is this is for no other reason than to shoehorn space marines into fantasy.

>>51782931
Where are the regular people, then? What do they do? What is the point of their existence beyond existing?

At best there's only vague stuff, and no attempt to build them into coherent people's or factions.

>>51783072
Yeah, its garbage. I don't care that WHFB the game is dead, because I'm done with 100+ model 28mm wargames in general. But I'd never hop over to a game that threw out the great lore of WHFB for garbage.

>>51783152
If they had just come out with a reskin of the LOTR game with a touch of mordheim and just turned chaos up to 11, it would have been fine, still skub, but not nearly as bad.

>>51783152

Scale it down and run Mordheim/Inq28-like games with high customization and lots of choices to represent all the crazy stuff from the setting. Then you only need half a dozen models and can customize them to best represent all the fluff that might have been or has precedent for being in the setting.

>Resin
>They will probably charge $30 for the figures while any other company would charge ~$10
Depressing. People while buy it anyways I guess.

>>51783072
>it's the fucking awful aesthetic and total tonal shift.
Same. AoS seems like it's trying too hard to be everything that WHFB isn't.

>Setting's too restrictive because of it's small scope?
Make the setting all-but-infinite, arguably to the point where it starts to feel really shallow and unfocused.

>Fantasy getting a bit too grimdark in later years?
Time to taste the fucking rainbow. Make it noblebright to the point where it sometimes looks like a parody, with some nobledark bits and pieces here and there if you want. Also, loads of He-Man-esque swole dudes filtered through a Warcraftesque aesthetic, because SOOPAR EPIK!

>Factions too restrictive?
Basically throw whatever the fuck you want down on the table. I mean, we do technically have factions, but if you want to play a mix of Stormcasts, Chaos Daemons, and a bunch of old Vampire Count and Wood Elf models, do it. We aren't stopping you.

>Lots of focus on competitive play?
No points, fuck 'em. Beer and pretzels is where it's at. What, you wanted points? GROGNARD ALERT! (Pre-General's Handbook, anyway.)

>No Space Marines?
How about... SIGMARINES!?!?

>Largely about the plight of regular dudes, or local heroes, fighting against a world that wants to kill them?
Fuck that. Loads of showdowns between literal walking gods, demigods, etc., because that means you'll buy the huge-ass, detail-overloaded centrepiece models we're making for them.

>Characters with fairly normal names (considering the historical influences for them/their factions)?
What? No, "Justice Lightgood" and "Deathbrand Grimblood" are perfectly acceptable character names. (Also a problem in End Times-era WHFB too.)

>>51782680
>you don't understand why "The golden fortress of az'haryil" is harder to care about then "Gronnelburg" You have no narrative sensibilities whatsoever
right, the German sounding name automatically means everything in warhammer fantasy totally mattered. All those random towns that get wiped out by npcs in trivial timeline battles, all those imperial citizens slaughtered by nameless characters, all those unknown kings and heroes killed by characters to give them cool feats.


>because altdorf is a flehsed out city
Didn't expect the capital city of the main human faction with 30 years of rule books, campaign supplements and role playing material to be more fleshed out than one introduced a few months ago, I truly am impressed
>human beings in a very human world,
Oh look, it's one of the roleplaying HFYfags who thinks warhammer is supposed to be about shitty human commoners defending their homes. Elves, orcs, goblins, dwarfs, ogres, lizardmen, skaven, beastmen, daemons and a fuckload of magical beasts would like to have a word with you
>>51782817
>literal god's fortress full of token humans who are there for no reason at all,
Because they live there? Is that not a reason? And how exactly is this any different from all the token imperial commoners who fill the cities and die by the thousands? Holy shit you are really reaching
>and hey we know what happens if the bad guys win, shit just happens again but this time sillier.
We knew warhammer world was going to be destroyed by chaos from the very beginning. We knew that the "current" date was at 5 seconds to midnight from the beginning. By your logic nothing in fantasy ever mattered because we already knew the bad guys win.

>>51777250
>a lot of end times stuff was shit
>the setting had a proper send off

hmm..

>>51783261
Again, you literally have NO understanding of narrative, to the point where you must be being willfully obtuse.

Imperial citizens don't matter, but they FEEL like they matter. It's very easy to comprehend why this works if you aren't autistic. When there is this feeling of clarity and finitness, a map where you can say "this is where we are, this is how much space we have to live, when this city gets burned there is one less city and a bunch of dead people" it is easier to place significance on.

The fact that you think "very human" means "specifically humans" also shows you are either autistic or being obtuse. "very human" means "full of relatable circumstance and characters". Fantasy races are not inhuman, they are certain aspects of humans personified and turned up to 11, or interesting foils to humanity, like the lizardmen.

They live there because thousands of mortal souls survived Armageddon because reasons and chaos didn't consume them because reasons. They live in a universe defined by its arbitrariness.

Chaos was supposed to destroy the world, yes that was WHY IT MATTERED. Chaos was an inevitable but ambiguously delayable doomsday that would destroy everything, and then things would be over, and it would matter that things ended, but now we know chaos isn't capable of getting a job done when Sigmar "plot device" Heldenhammer is around, because he can just ignore that. Archaon was a warrior priest who turned to chaos because he learned how insignificant or even nonexistent sigmar was in the face of chaos. I think that alone should show how fucking much of a tonal shift and retcon fest aos is.

>>51777114
>If it's the old rules you're mourning
Don't worry, it's the fluff

>>51777145
>Shitmar
>Not calling it Age of Smegma or Age of Semgmar

>>51783261
>And how exactly is this any different from all the token imperial commoners who fill the cities and die by the thousands?
Because Empire had limits, while Realms in AoS haven't.
Because Empire had HRE charm, while in AoS it's just regular Alliance humans.

>>51777155
>don't make any worthwile release for WHFB in 7 years
>wonder why nobody buys WHFB minis

The GW single mini prices are bs. Compared to other companies who sell single minis just as good. In all three major materials for half the price.
The excuse they need to charge loads because people buy one is absolute horseshit too

>>51777114
>AoS
>related to WHFB
nice meme

>>51783152
>because I'm done with 100+ model 28mm wargames in general.
I'd have agreed with you if not for KoW, Alessio put me back into this, I've painted over 200 minis in the past 3 months

>>51777200
>I can still have games of (glorious 6th ed) WHFB
I am so envious, I want to take your skin and wear it.

>>51781327
Based, not terrain.

>>51777114
>Take game
>Destroy it
>All of it
>Fuck it, the lore is gone now.
>The world is some retarded patchwork of unrelated planes of existance.
>Gotrek and Felix? Who the hell is that?
>Have some space marines, you like space marines right? Yeah, space marines.

>>51782556
Ivan never changes Anon. If people stopped responding he'd stop baiting.

>>51782210
What happened here?

>>51782210
Nice try Cevin, but nope

>>51781743
You say that as if they accomplished anything of note in Fantasy.

>>51784540
But anon
people love it, way more than 8th

>>51785259
So what?

>>51785288
ergo, its better dipshit, especially since 8th was dying the moment it was born

>>51785288
So you're irrelevant. That's just the truth.

>>51785259
>people love it, way more than 8th
>people love AoS more than the most hated edition of WHFB
heh

>>51785323
more than 7th t b h as well f a m

>>51785323
So its an improvement. Sound good to me

>>51785312
So as you.
>>51785325
>more than 7th t b h as well f a m
Proofs?

>>51785325
kek no
7th ed was fine until the Daemons army book

>>51785160
You mean other than all the time?

>>51785288
>Autism speaks

>>51785338
>>51785336
no proofs, just anecdotes unfortunately, the 3 clubs i have been in since 7th, all had low fantasy numbers/high AoS

>>51785348
My LFGS doesn't even sell AoS anymore, to give you an idea.

>>51785340
>one fa/tg/uy calls other fa/tg/uy autist

>had more fun build converting and writing about my stormcast than I have about my Spess Maureen's and chaos army from whfb combined.

I don't get it. Just play editions you like

>>51785259
>people love it

SOME people love it. The myth that AoS is doing super duper good is just that, a myth. All of GW's recent growth coincides with 40K releases and the reintroduction of old business practices that actually work. At best, AoS is doing a little better than Fantasy. "Better than 40K in some stores!" is just marketing hype.

>way more than 8th

Somewhat more, and 8th was basically a freight train of bad ideas. Try comparing it to 6th, before GW boarded the idiot train.

>>51785336
>So as you.
Oh no, a tu quoque argument! How shall I ever recover from such a well-orchestrated and planned lingual assault?

>>51785339
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Huge armies of them did. Regular, singular dudes were just grunts and mooks. The only humans, savage orcs, goblins, ANYONE who actually made a god-damn difference to the canon and the setting were named characters, usually ones with models.

>>51785362
it was a partially autistic post anon

>>51785367
Is this where people laugh about limited edition books but the new stormcast one sold out super quick

>>51782210
>model released for nostalgiafags
>surprised why WHFBfags appears

>>51785361
>LFGS
>relevant
sure thing bud

>>51785367
>Try comparing it to 6th, before GW boarded the idiot train.
At that time WHFB was about 40% of GW sales. Not the same thing altogether

However I do agree with >>51785364. Personally I've had more fun building my armies and playing KoW than I had with WHFB since the late 2000s

>>51785367
>Somewhat more, and 8th was basically a freight train of bad ideas. Try comparing it to 6th, before GW boarded the idiot train.
i know this is only anecdotal but AoS does see more play at my FLGS than 5th-6th ed used to.

>>51785388
It's more relevant that the 1-man GW store that's almost always empty.

>>51785393
>tomb kings player
>Aos makes fielding my army fun unlike every edition of whfb

>>51775633
why are they making him in resin when the plastic warhammer quest one was just finne

>>51785376
>Huge armies of them did.

...Which is still better than AoS, where they literally do not matter at all, existing solely as victims for the Stormcast to save.

Yes, named characters always have more personal effect on a setting than everyone else. That's generally how stories work. But AoS isn't that, AoS is a setting where the only people that matter are a bunch of bland superhumans and everyone else is just fodder for their conflict.

>>51785396
Sounds like you live in a shit town friend
my local GW has about 20/25 people on an average gaming night

>>51785406
The free guild were the ones founding a city anon. Not the stormcast

>>51785393
>At that time WHFB was about 40% of GW sales.

That kinda proves the guy's point.

When WHFB was good, it made up a seriously hefty portion of GW's sales.It did far, far better than AoS is doing or 8th Ed was doing, possibly even if you combined their impact.

>>51785406
>stormcast
>Bland

Sounds like somebody doesn't read

>>51785411
And yet, the only important force able to protect it from the conflict that drives the narrative of AoS are the mighty Stormcast.

Everyone is just there.

>>51775633
Did AoS ever update the old whfb armies so they are actually competitive with the AoS armies?

Last time I looked at AoS people told me the old factions were shit in the new game.

>>51785425
What's your point?
Just because Stormcast help doesn't mean that no one else maters.

>>51785419
Mate, we all read the first fluff stories about Stormcast when the game was fresh and we were hoping it might be good.

They're bland as fuck. Fantasy Space Marines but without the inherently disturbing aspects that make Space Marines somewhat compelling.

>>51785425
Except it was the free guild and ironweld who protected it.

>>51785434
They don't help, they are the ONLY force able to truly push back against Chaos.

And the Chaos v Order narrative is pretty much the only one that matters in AoS, because it's been blown up to some immense proportions.

>>51785405
because plastic moulds cost more than resin which is better for these limited and jiche kind of products

>>51777145
> Clumsy, poorly organised and overly complicated game based around buying bigger, and blander looking kits
> Hard to get into - harder still to find players

Just the reasons off the top of my head.

>>51785444
>They don't help, they are the ONLY force able to truly push back against Chaos.

No, they can only do that in combination with everyone else. They help.

>>51785434
>Just because Stormcast help doesn't mean that no one else maters.
it actually means, since none except Stormcasts (or new Greenskins Space Marines equivalent) can really push back Chaos. Regular humans in AoS plays the same role as Astra Millitarum in 40k (show how cool Space Marines).

>>51785447
So why does GW make limited edition plastic characters as well?

>>51785435
I think it's the opposite. We hear about stormcast and Thierry opinions and feelings a ton.

They come off as huge Bros

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>>51785476
>They come off as huge Bros
So they even worse than "fantasy space marines", they are fantasy ultramarines.
Here much better example of how faction like stormcasts should be.

>>51785431
What army did you play? If you played Ogre Kingdoms, dust off your minis and stomp the noobs who told you that, because they are as wrong as physically possible.

If you played Wood Elves, get some extra trees and dust off your Dryads and Treemen, maybe get some of their new stuff too. Proceed to teach them that board control through teleportation is a victor's strategy.

If you played Tomb Kings or Bretonnia, find the rule compendiums for them and laugh as you overpower your enemy in multiple senses of the term.

Point is: those idiots are very wrong.

>>51785431
Bretonnia is the most viable it's ever been for many many years.

The real problem with AoS' fluff is that it's a grisly puppetshow.

They made a new setting. It's a shit setting with no boundaries or real sense to it, but it's still a new setting, and they should have gone forward with it. But because GW wanted to keep selling WHFB models for now, they transplanted all this shit to a setting where they don't really fit (both aesthetically and thematically - not of the WHFB stuff looks like it should be on the same table as AoS stuff, their styles are totally different and putting them down together makes the game look and feel ridiculous) with new, corny names and shallow excuses for their existence.

None of the old Empire or Dwarf or even any flavour of Elf stuff looks like it should be there, and it's all paraded around as a shallow parody of its old self. "Oh, these aren't Witch Elves... they're Nightskin Darkbane Fightdancers from the pleasure cults of Azyr that, like, totally exist despite that seeming like something Sigmar would totally purge!" "Oh, these aren't Empire engineers, they're uh Ironweld Arsenal Warsmith Battleforgers! They... they're in some kind of guild that... they like building stuff... I guess? I dunno, whatever, just buy them, I have important Stormcast fluff to write."

It's almost macabre, seeing these interesting factions with years of backstory and flavour reduced to shallow parodies of themselves transplanted into a world where they don't fit or don't matter solely so GW could make some money off it's last remaining WHFB models.

>>51785494
No, anon. "Huge bros" means "actually give a shit about stuff that isn't PURGE THE ALIEN".

Think space Salamanders or space Blood Angels. Iron Hands-level shit still happens, of course, but it's the exception instead of the rule here.

>>51785498
I played wood elves, and some lizardmen, for a while I ran a night goblin list.

>>51785472
dunno, maybe they foresee better sales to justify the plastic moulds

>>51785476
Yes, they're all Ultramarines, we knew that already.

Like I said, Space Marines without the inherently disturbing aspects that make Space Marines compelling.

>>51785512
>"actually give a shit about stuff that isn't PURGE THE ALIEN".
So clearrly mix of cliche paladins with space marines -> Ultramarines

>>51785512
>Space Salamanders or Space BA

Soooo...Spessh spessh marines?

>>51785508
Can you not just use the AoS rules with the old setting? Change some names of necessary?

Does the setting really matter when you're at the table, rather than reading the books at home for fun?

>>51785498
>those idiots are very wrong.
Say it to Sylvs and new Tzeench guys.

>>51785494
>a group of einherjar style dudes chosen for purity of spirit and heroism
>They should be a group of ghostly fuckups

>>51775771
I got one of these out of a Heroquest job lot recently.

Guess I don't need to fork out for a new one >:p

>>51785508
Transporting the WHFB stuff gives them a huge array of things to sell without having to actually make most of the extra chattle.

There's always models that need to exist in a range but noone's actually interested in. People want the space marines. People want the big centerpiece models. But there's always stuff to fill in the gaps and be useful, because either someone will want it or because without them, the game just looks empty and small.

Even with it looking a little bleh, the large selection makes GW look better and the entire range look more worthy to get in.

>>51784915
Salted player who got humiliated by a younger one when so ultra asspained that he rammed his car against the store hoping to run over the kids when they came out.

>>51775633
Looks weird, the old mini had a pass because it was old, but now those arms look weird as fuck

>>51785532
Dude. Tomb kings are so strong they're getting a nerf

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>>51785534
>of Marvel style dudes
fair fix
>chosen for purity of spirit and heroism
Top kek, that's why they have so many WoC?
>>They should be a group of ghostly fuckups
Yep, because it looks more interesting.

>>51785512
What's their ethos?
How are they trained?
What do they do in downtime?

>>51785555
They weren't stronger than other Death units.

>>51785564
>That's why they have so many woc

Yes. It's harder to spit in the face of chaos when you were once part of chaos

>>51785542
I know why they're doing it.

It just makes for a terrible setting. They should have just sold the old stuff as WHFB shit for you to play with if you want to play AoS rules in the old setting, and gone forward without trying to mishmash all this shit together into the grisly narrative mess they have now.

>>51785531
Well, I was specifically talking about the fluff, since that's what people are talking about right now.

But yes, it does matter to a lot of people, and it matters to the integrity of the new game because it makes it look like an absolute joke.

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>>51785564
kys Asgardians looks much better designed than Blood Angels assault termies

>>51785565
Whatever you want it to be.
However you want them to, also shady friendly deathmatches where death and slaughter are but an illusion thanks to magic.
There's only war.

>>51785573
It is calling "marry sues"
Just like Ultramarines who better than any other Space Marines by default

>>51785531
>Can you not just use the AoS rules with the old setting?
Sure, but only with lots of mental gymnastics when the stormcast come to play

>>51785518
Wood elves: nice. The elves themselves are still good, but not as good as Sylvaneth (inb4 "stupid AoS rename": no, that was what the fucking Forest Spirits called themselves in WHFB. Calm your theoretical autism.) They certainly have more options than most other factions.

Lizardmen: Better. They have the biggest selection of units out of all the factions. Plenty of options for synergising buffs. If you want further advice, head to /aosg/ and ask for Serabro. He's actually a bro.

Night goblins: If you still have them, stock up on squigs of all kinds and let hilarity ensue. They've got the best selection of heroes among the goblin factions, too.

>>51785565
Depends on the Stormhost.

>>51785564
>That's why they have so many WoC
>tfw actually know the fluff
>tfw it's literally only one
>tfw it was because he was a closet double heretic AND because his soul was purified by the energy of Ghal Maraz AND it's treated as a game-changingly significant event in-universe
>tfw I don't have enough faces for this shit

>>51777145
>>51777046

Oh look something related to gamesworkshop
better bitch like a 12 year old girl about WHFB
just kidding never played whfb
just trolling
i suck dicks

>>51785597
>>tfw it's literally only one
>implying numbers means anything in AoS

>>51785597
>shilling so hard

>>51785608
>something heroic happens
>stop that it's shit

>>51785620
Why do whfb crybaby always sound like /v/ posters

>>51785634
because all boards look the same to redditors

>>51785570
Necrosphinx and Necroknights say lol

>>51785634
>speaking obvious lies
>y-y-y-you are crybaby!

>>51785643
>y-you are reddit!

Doesnt really help your case

>>51785644
Skeletons horde says kek

>>51785648
>that poster
>lies

Wat. Everything he said was true.

>>51785620
Okay, I evidently need to remind you of something:

People are capable of liking things you don't like. It's scary and weird, but you need to learn to accept it. Otherwise you won't be able to move on from, or better yet, ignore entirely things you don't like.

>>51785643
>>51785634
Labelling people helps no-one.
>>51785651
This is true.

>>51785658
>Everything he said was true.
Except
>Wood elves: nice. The elves themselves are still good, but not as good as Sylvaneth (inb4 "stupid AoS rename": no, that was what the fucking Forest Spirits called themselves in WHFB. Calm your theoretical autism.) They certainly have more options than most other factions.
>Lizardmen: Better. They have the biggest selection of units out of all the factions. Plenty of options for synergising buffs. If you want further advice, head to /aosg/ and ask for Serabro. He's actually a bro.
>Night goblins: If you still have them, stock up on squigs of all kinds and let hilarity ensue. They've got the best selection of heroes among the goblin factions, too.
Elves now one of the weakest armies, especially against new Sylvaneths and Tzeench.

>>51785652
Yeah. Someone tried that plus mournghuls in a tournament.

Turns out restoring 6 wounds a turn and halving all wounds taken cuts through everything.

>>51785408
Ofc it's a shit town, since the two LFGS have over 40+ players each on an average gaming night.

The one I usually go to has a dozens of Golden Demon trophies taking dust on a backroom stand too

I, for one, am having plenty of fun with AoS, and happy GW still gives nice things to ye olde timers.

Hopefully the salt will recede in a year or two, so that we can have nice threads about AoS without people barging in and whining about muh Fantasy.
People need to learn to move on.

>>51785690
People have moved on to other games.

They still recognize that AoS is shit, though.

>>51785690
>have nice threads
>about AoS
pick one
>People need to learn to move on.
So why you didn't learn it? Move to back to tumblr.

>>51785666
>high mobility armies with ranged dominate the meta.
>swifthawk and wanderers full of said units

>>51785666
"They have options" is only one part of being good. I would say it's better than having to chose between 2 or 3 units for your army. Spiderfang Grots, Order Serpentis, Phoenix Temple etc. do not in any way have a similar amount of options to the Wanderers.

There is hope though: the Sylvaneth used to be in the "small shit" category, and after their update, look at where they are now!

>>51785704
>like a game
>To tumblr

I'm having fun bro. You mad

>>51785706
>>swifthawk and wanderers full of said units
1) Nope
2) They still shit even against previous top-meta (Nurgle mortlas and Death)

>>51785722
>I'm having fun
Not an argument, go home tublr.

>>51785706
Yep. "Being good" is made of multiple parts, and the Wanderers and Swifthawk Agents have speed on their side without much else. Same goes for Brayherds and Hosts of Slaanesh. Being able to turn 1 charge the enemy won't win you games unless you're playing to all your army's strengths.

>>51785723
>nurgle mortals.
>meta

I assume you mean rotbringers for the battle line blight kings

The best death armies are super fast tomb kings

>>51785722
Please stop arguing with an obvious false flag. Just stop for a second and look at his posting style.

>>51785744
Fuck

Well I'm off to bed. No point arguing with the squatting Eastern European.

>>51785690
>model for some reasons made for oldfags
>why do you talk about WHFB?!

>>51785699
I can accept that, hell, I encourage them to play other games that suits them. More power to the people.

But do I come into other people's thread to whine about a game I abandonned years ago?

>>51785704
>Stop liking what I don't like
As the other anon said, you can't stop people from having fun my dear.
It's not a case of safespace or whatever, it's a case of maturity. You might dislike it, fair enough. But 2 years have passed now, if you can't let go after that long, I have bad news for you.

>>51785773
>it's a case of maturity.
>AoSplayer talking about maturity
Like a poetry.
>I have bad news for you.
I am not a good goy anymore?

>>51785794
So what games do you play slavposter

>>51785802
>So what games do you play slavposter
And why I should answer?
Also, problems with slavs westerner?

>>51785802
Stop replying to Ivan anon.
He doesn't play anything, and depending the thread he is in, will either praise or shit on the system that will get him (You)s.

>>51785773
>But do I come into other people's thread to whine about a game I abandonned years ago?
Well some of you guys keep trying to shitposts in other threads.

>>51785773
>But do I come into other people's thread to whine about a game I abandonned years ago?

I don't have a problem with your attitude, but you're only seeing what you wanted to see.

This whole discussion started with someone saying "I don't like [x] things about GW's direction right now", one of these reasons being that Fantasy was axed. Then someone else came in and told them that their opinion was invalid because AoS is so great.

AoS players were the ones that simply couldn't resist starting an argument, anon.

>>51785534
>>They should be a group of ghostly fuckups
Well it actually could fix a lot of things in AoS fluff and setting.

>>51777292
I've heard that a lot of people have started warming up to it nowadays, and that it's fun to play at least.
However, I don't understand why they had to kill off WHFB for it. It would've been perfect as just a spinoff game, while keeping WHFB going for the long-term fans.

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>>51785875
I'd agree but who's calling the other system cancer and post an obvious bait here?

>>51785904
How could it?

By removing the heroics

>>51785909
>who's calling the other system cancer
AoS shitters, mostly.

>>51785915
My point was that the WHFB baitposter started, silly.

If AoS took the bait well shit, but if there wasn't any bait, the nice thread we had could have moved on.

>>51785914
>By removing the heroics
By removing "generic lawful good paladins".
And a lot of more, like stupid Ages (Age of Creation and Age of Chaos)

>>51785936
You know it's refreshing to have generic paladins actually. Morally grey is always a dull colour

>>51785952
>. Morally grey is always a dull colour
And where I say anything about grey? half-tones =/= grey

>>51785905
What I would've done in GWs shoes;
-Release AoS, a spinoff game based around smaller battles and quicker games
-Add whatever new AoS factions to WHFB as well. Release a proper armybook for them for that system; this would give them more books to sell to the people who buy models to play in both
-Release a new edition of WHFB, both for the longterm fans, and new players who wish to play larger battles with more indepth rules.

The setting has increased a lot in popularity, due to new videogames (that are actually good, unlike most games based on 40k), so it doesn't make sense to keep the setting as only AoS.

>>51785508
i agree, all the old factions dont fit in.
And they dont fit with the new themes.
Look at Lizardmen, fine they are order demons now, too bad they are also shorter than sigmarines and use primitive weapons, the entire theme is incredibly inconsistent.

40k doesnt have this problem funly enaugh.

>>51783261
>We knew warhammer world was going to be destroyed by chaos from the very beginning. We knew that the "current" date was at 5 seconds to midnight from the beginning. By your logic nothing in fantasy ever mattered because we already knew the bad guys win.

That's how it ended up, but originally it was a little more subtle than that. Chaos' inevitable victory was a bit like The Book of Revelation; everyone knows it's coming, and there are plenty who look at how shit the world seems to them compared with "The good old days" and assume it's coming soon.

Later editions of Fantasy, just as is happening in 40k now, slowly shifted that to, "OMG the world is teetering on the brink of disaster" narratives, and then succumbed to all the faggots wanting them to advance the storyline. The trouble is, when you combine these two things you get power creep; you have to keep ramping up the threats to make your new story addition seem worthwhile (you see the same shit in comic books). People won't shell out £60 for your new expansion/rulebook/comic book line if it only consists of "Hey remember the bad guy from last time, well now it's time for him again, or someone not as good" They want "This totally new even more bad-ass bad guy" or at least "That guy from before only now he's teamed up with some other bad guys" or "That bad guy from before with NEW more awesome powers".

With a setting, rather than a storyline, (as Warhammer and 40k were originally meant to be) you don't need to worry about that; you can look backwards for inspiration allowing for more complex narratives. Antagonists can be interesting for more than just ever larger threat levels because from our omniscient reader's perspective we know that whatever happens is what led to the world as we know it existing. from a miniature wargaming perspective, we don't have to worry that the outcome of the campaign will invalidate our armies because the setting in which those armies existed is preserved.

>>51785926
We all know that the "It lives and it's called AoS" post is bait.

>>51785587
Your answer is a lame cop-out.

>>51785597
And you!
Be more specific damnit.

>>51786105
We know that there is a huge fanbase for 'historical' campaign rules and models with GW's settings - look at how massively popular the horus heresy stuff they're releasing themselves and through Forgeworld is.

Now imagine if they'd done something like that for Fantasy; instead of scrapping the setting and replacing it with AoS, they'd taken the good things about AoS - the low entry cost, the smaller scale - and gone, "Ok guys here's WHFB 9th ed; a ruleset for fighting small skirmish battles *at any point* in the history of the Warhammer world. There is a basic bestiary with points values and stats for our most iconic units in the main book, but over the coming months we plan to release campaign books that give background lore for specific time periods/events in Warhammer history, along with the rules needed for any special characters and unit types present in that particular era/series of battles"

and then followed that up with

"For those of you with large collections who want to fight big battles still, we've got you covered too, here is Warmaster 2nd ed, a rule set for fighting large scale battles either at 28mm using your existing collections or any new models you buy for WHFB, but also for new players who want to give this rule-set a try, a new range of 10mm (or whatever) models."

I don't know about the rest of you /tg/ but I would be all over something like that

>>51777114
Remember when this was a good thread before you started the shit post war?
And I fucking PLAY AoS dude.

>>51779145
AoS was making PLENTY of money without the grognards anon.
Look at the stocks.
Let's not pretend like the greasy minimum wage dollars you have to spend (after chinacast of course) matter

>>51786346
>Look at the stocks.
yeah it's toally AoS, not Prospero, not TSons, Fall of Cadia, not Ynnari releases.

>>51781680
This.
This is what convinced me FW was full of shit.
At an early FW Open day, they INSISTED they were going 8mm because "infantry look better".
This last one, they say "no plans for infantry".
So it really was just a cash grab.

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>40k
>Want to get into 40k
>"You gotta spend like 200 dollars for a 1000 point army anon"
>Eh thats kinda alot
>"Its okay, you can buy a box of guys and play kill team or like spend 100 and play 500 point games! You only need like 20 or 30 models to start
>Ah sweet, sounds cool!

>Getting in fantasy
>Want to get into fantasy
>"Its gonna be like 600 dollars to start an army, maybe like 2000 points which is kinda the sub-standard"
>"Wow what the fuck what a lot of money"
>"Yeah and you'll need to build and paint at least 100 models"
>"I-is there anything cheaper and easier?"
And thats why Fantasy failed.

>>51786366
> fall of cadia
So a book. And three character models.
> Tsons
Oh yeah those are DOMINATING every table right now... Oh wait.
> Prospero
This could be legit. But at the same time, it's less usable then B@C. It's cheaper to just buy 30 Mkiii squads from ebay or what have you.
But if your going to say the GHB didn't result in a huge upswing in purchases for GW, then let's just agree to disagree.
But you are still 100 percent wrong.

>>51786425
>200 dollars to get into a hobby
>kind of a lot
You're either underage OR you're living in poverty and really shouldn't be complaining about the prices of a luxury game. Plus buying an entire 1000+ point army at once is a stupid idea. Same with trying to immediately jump to 2K for WHFB. You could get a ton of mileage out of a battleforce and a hero or two to start with.

Fantasy failed for a bunch of reasons. Static lore, aging model lines, repeated rule/balance fuck-ups, etc. It did need a more skirmish-sized variant for introductory play.

>>51786542
The idea of throwing money at something you dont even know if youll stay or like in the long run is always off-putting. No one likes to waste money

>>51786488
>So a book. And three character models.
Still larger than winter AoS
>So a book. And three character models.
>Oh yeah those are DOMINATING every table right now...
Lolwut? TSons was full sub-faction release, while AoS have only book and tzangors.
>But if your going to say the GHB didn't result in a huge upswing in purchases for GW,
Yep ,because in the second 2016 half-year we get much more 40k stuff than AoS and surprise-surprise.
>But you are still 100 percent wrong.
Because..?

>>51781418
I've been playing Wood Elves since 2010, had a small chaos warriors force with Demon friends around the same time.
I knew who Slambo was.
I was happy with Sigmar, my sole dissapointment with it was the lack of points.

>>51786828
>I knew who Slambo was.
From one of the last WHFB threads during End Times?

>>51786346
GW's growth corresponds almost exactly with its extremely well-received 40K releases and their reintroduction of stuff like proper bargains.

>>51786322
>implying it wouldn't happen anyway

>>51786425
the sad thing is with the re-release of path to glory they could have had a small skirmish game...but it was shit and require too many minis.

>>51783096
They live, you fucking monganought.
Their purpose is to serve as basis and justification for your dudes.

Go play a fucking historical.

>>51785603
>better bitch like a 12 year old girl about WHFB
It's okay, this is /tg/ so we understand. We all want to be little girls.

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>>51783317
>Lets get rid of these filthy fucking hambeasts that spend 0 money on the game
>Lets give them the send off they deserve
>A giant "Fuck off faggot, we don't care about your autism" affair?
>Yeah.

Pic related. Stop trying to make Fantasyfags feel better. We want our game to actually survive, not turn into a shitfest historical pretender full of bullshit that dies in 10 years because they convince everyone to buy fucking 3rd party like them, if they bought models in the last 15 years.

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>>51787303
Speak for yourself homo - I wanna be a big girl.

>>51777382
Literally could be said about any system, it's a non answer.

Just play X-wing and do exactly what you do now with a larger player base, faster games and a whole workable army for less than a single kit of Smegmar.

>>51785531
Every old army, even fucking Chaos Dwarves and Fimirach. Remember the Fimirach? The literal monsters that kidnap and rape humans and elves to breed? They're back.

AOS can literally just be "Fun Warhammer Fantasy" but unfortunately, 99% of the WHFBfaggots are too autistic to play the fantasy game with a different base shape.

>>51787277
>Their purpose is to serve as basis and justification for your dudes.
And it's supposed to be good or what? People played Empire and Brets because loved their design, their fluff, and now it replaced by literally placeholder.
>>51787388
>They're back.
Yeah because FW keep producing them

>>51786891
No, from reading the fucking out dated white dwarfs in my FLGS. I picked him up off ebay when I started my Chaos Warriors force. used him as a chaos champion.

>>51787388
>99% of the WHFBfaggots are too autistic to play the fantasy game with a different base shape.
They are autists, but at least they are not cucks enough, to keep playing while GW clearly saaid "fuck off, this game is not for you"

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>>51787466

>Fantasy faggots still mad
Nah, instead they go home, try and make their own game, then it fizzles out and dies.

>>51787573
>>Fantasy faggots still mad
Well ,may be, glad I am not WHFB or AoS player.

>>51776482
>hobbyist at heart.
>from Kirby's team
lel

>>51777114
How much did you get paid for that post?

>>51775633
As a person who never played WHFB, nor ever knew much about it, and started with AoS, I honestly don't see much of a problem with the setting overall. It works doesn't it? It gives your dudes their own space to fight in, and live in. I mean, from the sound of it, you guys get upset at the size of the setting, but why should that matter? Who cares if some random town gets murdered, or if some planet falls. They're not really related to my guys. Sure, it sucks, but it has no effect on my army. But how is that different from AoS? Sure, there's really no borders or anything, but that doesnt change the whole idea of some city falling or anything. And isn't the point of Wargames to focus on your guys? I mean, why not make your own little nation or city state? There really isn't anything stopping you now.

>>51787388
>AOS can literally just be "Fun Warhammer Fantasy"
except with the world warhamner fantasy had

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>this thread
TOP FUCKING KEK!
Holy shit it really nice leave /vg/ sometimes to watch how our lesser brothers from Warhammer doing.

>>51787701
>you guys get upset at the size of the setting
As I see here people upset setting's emptiness.
>There really isn't anything stopping you now.
And it also not relate it with the setting.

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>>51787704
>He thinks they stopped selling all the novels, even if they did, he's too stupid to realize torrents exist

Fantasyfags confirmed for retards

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Why do AoS players all type English like it's their second language?

>>51787959
Because shills from the far east are cheaper and the internet doesn't care where you post from?

>>51787901
Pandafag confirmed for not being capable of reading comprehension

>>51777114

Age of Sigmar isn't fit to clear the shit off the shoes of Warhammer Fantasy.

>>51787329
Don't worry, we're mostly convincing people to play other games now.

Your attitude is our best ally in this endeavor.

>>51787329
>because they convince everyone to buy fucking 3rd party like them,
May be GW should just made better models than 8th edition shit and stop selling old as fuck knights for a premium prices?

>>51786322
>when this was a good thread
Nope