Vikings + Deus Vult = ?

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Denmark in the early middle ages? Like Valdemar Sejers crusade to Estonia.

>>51774342
History? When Norse countries make the jump from paganism to Christianity?

>>51774389
Sejr* Don't know why I wanted to put in the extra "e". His name means something along the line of Valdemar the Victorious.

>>51774342
You should read Beowulf + the Nibelungenlied.

Also, knights are just barbaric peoples given a bunch of rules and a monotheistic religion

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>>51774342
Normans (the ones from France, those that conquered England and those that conquered Naples) were (over)represented among crusaders and had a reputation for being both great warriors and incredibly pious.

>>51774342
= Memes

>>51774421
Technically his name means "Valdemar Victory", but it's correct. Definitely look into Danish history in the Baltic and North Germany.

I mean Danish kings led campaigns through North Germany all the way to Poland in search of Slavic pagans, with the King having to balance the power of a church which rivalled or even exceeded his own power in many ways, a Hanseatic league whose loyalties fluctuated, and his own desire for territory and absolution through conquest. (The troops of Valdemar still essentially fighting as they had when they were pagan, the Church's troop having adopted more French styles)

Plus, the Norwegian crusades are also an interesting bit of history.

>>51774421
Literally "Valdemar Victory".

>>51774463
1066 is the reason I basically win every argument with my Brits friends on which country is better.

Nothing like reminding them MY language is on THEIR coat of arms because we conquered them such a loooong time ago.

>>51774342
Valhalla?

That's sorta the equivalent innit?

Kill the bad dude or die trying, you get to heaven if you do, nothing but benefits.

>>51774511
Danish nom de kingships are a bit fucking retarded though.

Erik Ploughpenny

Erik the Timid/Silent (Erik the Lame)

Erik Evergood

Olaf Hunger

Gorm the Old

Erik Shearing (Referring to the devaluation of coins through cutting off parts of the material)

Erik the Brat (Menved being the corruption of an old German word for Brat)

>>51774577
>this is what Norse fags believe
You mean that brief period of time where you raided villages and sacked a few castle before getting utterly btfo by my Celtic ancestors?

>>51774577
This argument wouldn't work if your friends actually knew anything about 1066.

>>51774625
Not to forget

Valdemar Another Day

>>51774653
The heathen army beat the snot out of everyone because of its cohesiveness, then once that went away they were able to be picked off due to the same infighting in the realm that had allowed them to conquer the Anglo-Saxons.

No culture is magical.

>>51774577
Normans are neither French or Scandinavian.

>>51774695
Normans are French people with Scandinavian ancestry.

There were raven banners at the battle of Hastings IIRC.

>>51774653
>Normans
>pure Norse

Also
>England
>Celtic

Even further...
>Vikings
>ever fighting the Ancient Celts
>ever

You're American aren't you?

>>51774707
No they're not. They're Norman.

Stop applying 21st Century ideas of nationality and culture to people from the 11th. It's retarded.

>>51774707
It's good then that unlike modern fags they didn't give a rat's shit about "muh heritage" and acted like normal French people.

>>51774766
He said
>my Celtic ancestors
By this point, the question if he's American is completely redundant.

>>51774766
>implying vikings didn't try to conquer the UK
>implying northern Scotland was never invaded
>implying celts weren't the reason vikings got sent home with their tails between their legs
>implying raping women and destroying villages full of un armed peasants is impressive
>implying vikings didn't get btfo when the English welsh Scots and irish sent proper armies full of men to fight them

>>51774771
Anon, they spoke French, largely lived in France, largely swore allegiance to the French king, participated in French politics and called themselves French.

Sure, nationality is a lot more fluid as a concept, and identity is more complex than that, but saying they're not French because they're Normans is silly.

By that token there's no such thing as a "Viking" or a "Norse person" for OPs purposes.

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>>51774342
Swedes led a crusade against Orthodox church in Russia. They failed pretty spectacularly and never attempted it again.

>>51774835
You need to stop this butthurt ahistorical shit and contribute to the fucking point of this thread.

Really, all of you need to get your shit together, there's like 2 usable posts here.

>>51774342
Equals the ultimate cringy 4chan roleplayer

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>>51774577

>>51774439
Everyone who isn't Greek are barbarians.

>>51774844
They spoke the Norman dialect of Old French, lived in Normandy, participated in Norman politics and sometimes swore fealty to the king of France.

The idea of "being french" did not exist in the 11th Century. You had Normans, you had Occitans, you had Burgundians. You did not have French people.

Why is it so hard for people to understand this? It's why we have constant "Was Charlemagne French or German?" threads on /his/.

>>51774939
This "There was no such things as nations until the development of nationalism in the 19th century" meme needs to fucking die.

Normans LITERALLY called themselves French anon.

Scandinavian king titles includes "King of the Danish, the Norwegians and Most of the Swedes", an idea absolutely insane if there was no such thing as national identity.
Same goes for "King of the Franks", and "King of the Germans".

>>51774342
You get Normans

>>51774342
>Vikings + Deus Vult = ?
Odin spoke to me in a dream. I stood under a grand oak tree, and in its boughs the All-Father hung, spear in his side.

"I have seen and know much," he said unto me, "And I have seen the fall of the Gods and know the taste of blood and sea spray that awaits us. All is as Fate decrees."

He stared right into my eyes with his lone one.

"But for once, the Aesir will Deny. Row south! South! To the marble halls! Row South! To the scorched lands!

"Let our folk be as Fenrir! As Thor! As Tyr and Hel and the Giants themselves! Let the blood howl! Let the horns be blown and the swords held high!

"TODAY BEGINS THE BLOOD TIME!"

And so, my people, did Odin command us to march against the World, and burn the Pale Christian False God upon his cross, and reave his peoples' lands, and shed their blood upon the land.

By the Gods' will it shall be done.

>>51774939
>The idea of "being french" did not exist in the 11th Century.
Hic Franci et Angli inter armas cederunt.

>>51775007
>"King of the Danish, the Norwegians and Most of the Swedes"
Based Canute.

>>51775007
>King of Most of the Swedes

Did he really call himself like that?

>>51775069
His actual title was:

"King of All England, Denmark, the Norwegians and some of the Swedes".

>>51774939
>Was Charlemagne French or German?
Karel de Grote was Dutch!!

>>51775136
You may be my countryman, but I can't help but point out you're wrong. Kaman Ni Yu is obviously Chinese.

>>51774342
Vikings + Deus Vult = An actual historical event.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_Crusade

>>51775029
Hang their false seers from their cathedrals! The All-Father demands blood!
This is basically what I do every time I play CK2. One day I'll hang their Pope...

>>51775108
Based Knutr.

>>51775136
Obviously, Charlemagne (Charles the Great) was just another name for Olaf Digre (Olaf the Large), King of Norway. The fact that they supposedly lived in separate centuries is just a result of Franko-German lies and fabrications. "Great" and "Large" are practically synonymous, which is proof enough for me.
The Holy Roman Empire is rightfully Norwegian land.

>>51775174
China was at the time being ruled by the Finnish Khan, so it can't have been him.

>>51775273
Except Norway is and has always been Danish land. The Holy Roman Empire is rightfully Danish.

>>51774577
I swear to god, you people are almost as bad as romeaboos

>>51775345
>Implying

There's snow in the alps, it's eskimo land.

>>51775345
Hold on now. The Basques are the last Pre-Indoeuropeans left on the continent. Obviously the Holy Roman Empire is rightfully Pay Basque!

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>>51775448
>Pay Basque
But that's French, making Charlemagne French again.
There circle is closed, all is as it should be!

>>51774577
Jeezus, Lancelot, you already stole my goddamn wife, now you gotta brag about snatching my country out from under me?

>>51775391
"romeaboos" are completely and totally justified in their beliefs and actions.

>>51774342

FUS RO DA!

>>51775490
>French
>Basque
Next you'll claim we're fucking Spaniards! How quaint.

>>51775513
Militarily they were only good because of organisation, logistics, tactics etc. Reasonably competent on a small scale too, but the fact that their getting raped a few times was due to command fucking up more than anything else says a fair bit.

Basically, I still have PTSD from a wannabe /his/terical fa/tg/uy spending an entire game going on about MUH KILL SIX GORILLION CELTS

>>51775575
>King of France AND NAVARRA.

Just wave your white flag like you Frenchmen always do.

>>51775585
But seriously fuck the celts

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>>51775602
>Royalist
You need to leave

>>51775602
>French

The French Occupation of Pay Basque will one day end, and then we'll see who surrenders to who, Frog!

Sancho the Great Lives!

>>51774342

Read up about Harald from Sweden

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>>51774871
>crusading against Christians when there is lands upon lands full of pagans around
that's pretty fucking why

>>51775670
>Sancho the great

Took his title from the French style.

Can't escape it cheese eater.

>>51775609
Celts are everything vikings wish they were. It was a hard pill for me to swallow at first, since I fell for the epic vikings meme, but the fact that they're known for raping and pillaging says everything. Vikings were fags that could only beat up women and unarmed peasants. They got rekt in traditional warfar more often than not.

And celts? Just as bloodthirsty and savage as le ebin sons of odin, plus actually having reigned over a huge empire at one point in time. Last time I checked viking settlements never spanned from Britannia, across Europe, and to the middle east

>>51775813
Why the fuck did the Catholic church spend all its time on Cathars and Protestants when there was literally muslims right next door?

>>51775828
Anon.
You've managed to be wrong about everything in one post.
It's impressive really.

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>>51775832
You right, i guess pope wanted their tax monies

>>51774871
Swedes are also the only ones who ever conquered russia outright. They got toppled and sent home a year later but the fact remains that for an entire year Swedish dick penetrated Russian ass. Napoleon and hitler never managed to do that

>they don't call him magnus for nothing
>>51775848
butthurt norsemen detected. Go rape some chick half your size, make sure you cover yourself in full body chain mail first in case she fights back

>>51775815
>ETA intensifies

>>51775929
Anon, did you forget Norse settlement literally stretch from Ireland to Greece?

One of our best sources on Viking culture is a fucking Arab.

>>51775813
Christians fighting Christians for religious reasons is a time-honoured tradition.
When was the last time you saw any Cathars around? The Papists genocided the fuck out of them.

>>51774342
To Valhalla! Odin vult!

>>51775980
And Celt settlements stretched even further, plus celts aren't infamous for raping defenceless women. Your point?

>>51774342
Olav Tryggvason.

>>51776030
That literally everything he said is wrong.

And now you're adding to the wrong by implying the Celts have no connection to rape, it being used as a combat tactic by them essentially the same way the Vikings did. (Admittedly not as famously)

Celtic settlements stretched to Anatolia, vikings settled in Russia further east but less south, but also permanently settled in what is now Turkey (More specifically in Thrace as a function of Imperial servitude)

And let's not pretend that the viking treatment of women was worse than Christian treatment of women at the time. Even thrall women had rights beyond that of women in most of the Christian world (Couverture not being overturned in Europe until the 18th century)

And the Celts served the same role the vikings did in terms of "Badass warriors", honour guards for emperors (Egyptian Pharaohs for the Celts, Roman emperors for the Germans and Vikings), raiders of undefended villages, and conquerers of some renown (Although the celts never really managed to conquer a centralized kingdom like the vikings did, they were kicking the snot out of Slavs and Iberians and provided the strongest enemy the Romans would face since the Carthaginians and until themselves)

There's no interpretation that can give Celts a badass role that the vikings don't also fulfil

>>51775929
>Swedes are also the only ones who ever conquered russia outright.
You're wrong. The only country to ever conquer Russia was actually Poland. Swedes never even attempted that, they were content with having Ingria.

>>51776215
Except how history remembers them. Vikings didn't even exist in the Roman era for one. And what did vikings ever do to improve the areas they settled? They didn't enrich or add anything, they just took. They lived in mud huts 500 years after Romans had built entire cities out of marble, what did they innovate? What did they invent? The list of Celtic innovation stretches almost as far as their bloodlines.

Face it, vikings are cool on paper but gay irl. And obviously everyone raped women back then, everyone rapes women today. But I can tell you right now that a lot more raping happens in certain parts of the world than others, so for vikings to be remembered in the annals of history as rapists they must have been doing it a lot more often than everyone else. Look at their military history, most of the shit they conquered was nothing, they didn't topple any empires, and they lost more traditional battles than they won. Norse mythology is still pretty cool tho

>>51776387
>What did they invent

Nice Mythology.

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>>51774577
>My
Sorry, your country belongs to Algerians as of 2014. The last time I went to Paris I had to ask someone if I had accidentally booked a flight to Somalia because the only thing French about the place was the bread and the terrible city-planning.

Not that the British are any better off but at least I can FIND a Briton to make feel bad over it, the first and only "French" person I met in France was as black as a Swede and tried to get me to give her money by pointing to some laminated card outside of the airport. Get the fuck out of here. Your language, you mean fucking Arabic? Cunts.

>>51774577

>Brits

it was only a portion of England at the time, not Britain

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>>51776524
I'm genuinely astonished you could make a post with this kind of content without mentioning the word "cuck" somewhere. I mean, wow.

The amount of English denial in this thread is fucking amazing

>>51776530
Let's be fair: when people say "Britain" they mean "England". And when they say "England" they mean "London".

England's Celtic subjects are decieving themselves if they think they're relevant. Just look at the Brexit vote for example.

>>51775832
Because Christians pay taxes to the church, Crusaders and dead Saracens don't.

>>51776310
I was talkng about king magnus conquering novgorod but yes you are correct, poland is the only one to ever conquer Moscow, and since Moscow is "the motherland" of russia, sweden never conquered "russia"

>>51776580
Hey, I'm no Bad Hombre, I came here legally. You know over 50% of hispanic men voted for the Don in North Carolina? We're the good guys. He loves taco bowls. It's going to be fine. Just let me have this.

>>51776616
English mentality just does not allow them to acknowledge being inferior to anyone else. They grudgingly accept Americans as the superpower, but cannot fathom that they mean far, far less in the grand scheme of things than they believe.
Like how EU tricked them into believing they were leaving a sinking ship when in fact they were ballast thrown overboard

>>51776632
>And when they say "England" they mean "London".
>Just look at the Brexit vote for example.

Actually Londoners overwhelmingly voted to stay, so they didn't matter at all.

>>51776632
Get fucked you tea sucking crumpet munched, England was nothing until they started making celts fight for them

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>>51775832
>Protestants
By the time they were around, crusades were dead even as a concept.

>Cathars
This was right after the Fourth Crusade, when the vigor for a glorious victory in the Holy Land had already died down. The crusaders that participated in it were basically disgruntled veterans who wanted at least SOME kind of victory over the infidel. Also, it helped that the French monarch used this as an excuse to strengthen his influence over his southern vassals.

It also gave us a glorious meme battle.

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>>51776678
>England was nothing until they started making celts fight for them
That's all of British military history: England bravely fighting her many enemies to the last Scotsman.

>>51776657
>Moscow is "the motherland
I think the word you're looking for is "Capital"

>>51776387
>Vikings didn't even exist in the Roman era for one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varangian_Guard

"Roman Era" is a nebulous concept anon.

>The list of Celtic innovation stretches almost as far as their bloodlines.

I can think of...
Chainmail, some advances to metalurgy (Maybe?), possibly the longbow, and the bagpipe.

Vikings have the comb as we know it, skis, some improvements to shipbuilding, and some types of axes.

If we're going by social then I guess the Celts introduced certain types of poetry while the Vikings introduced new things to prose.
And I mean the European taxation was essentially reinvented by the viking tribute system... while the Celtic/Roman relations resulted in some new innovations in statecraft.

Neither vikings nor celts were exactly the most inventive of folks.

>And what did vikings ever do to improve the areas they settled?

I mean... they build cities, established more centralized states, and often brought a certain level of peace. (Ironically)

I mean, by the standards you're applying here the Celts haven't really got much to show either.

>But I can tell you right now that a lot more raping happens in certain parts of the world than others, so for vikings to be remembered in the annals of history as rapists they must have been doing it a lot more often than everyone else.

Not really, it's just that the only people who wrote down their history were their enemies (The English), or didn't write about their interaction with women at all (Arabs, Russians, Greeks).

The English levy similar accusations against the French through huge parts of history, The Greeks and Romans against every rival they possibly got their hands on, and so on.

Accusing others of mistreating women is the most ancient of propaganda. (Everything from accusing semitic peoples of raping their young girls as a rite of passage, to cold war propaganda about the plight of women in the US/USSR)

>>51776739
I think back then they were still Muscovites rather than Russians.

>>51776676
>le brexit was part of the plan meme
I hate the Bongs as much as anyone else but Grexit, Czechplease and Frexit are incoming fast. The EU was a naive and retarded experiment and everyone smart is jumping ship now.

WWIII soon. At least then Germany's plan would make sense. Why else would you import in millions of 80 IQ garbage pickers who can't tie their own shoes much less function in a high-tech economy? Of course! To feed them into the meat grinder. Retake Alsace! Do it you Kraut bastards DO IT

>>51776387

Continued from

>>51776742

>Look at their military history, most of the shit they conquered was nothing, they didn't topple any empires, and they lost more traditional battles than they won.

I mean, that's just a bullshit accusation if you're defending Celts.

What empires did the Celts topple?
They beat Rome when it was just a city state, then the fought tribes in the Balkans, themselves, and lost to the Romans, then the Germanics.

I mean at least the Vikings beat some centralized kingdoms that weren't also vikings.

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>>51776793
>Retake Alsace!
As if Germany can defeat the Franco-Finngolian alliance.

>>51776793
So when germany inevitably loses again, do you think berlin will be a part or poland or no?

>>51776657
Novgorod hasn't been the capital of Russia since Rurik. In fact, it arguably wasn't even a proper part of Russia until Ivan the Great sacked it. Napoleon actually did capture Moscow, but it meant nothing as it wasn't the capital at this point.

>>51775490
But France is rightfully English, friend.

>>51774577
W A T E R L O O

Alternatively, if you're Scandinavian, we can all rest easy knowing you weren't relevant enough for the country which warred with most of the world to give two shits about you.

>>51776833
Celts did lose, to the strongest empire of that time and one of the strongest empires in history. Vikings couldn't conquer any of the European powers, and at best fucked their way into royalty. I would also say that chain mail alone had a greater impact on the world than anything that ever came out of Scandinavia. I will yield that I wasn't specific of what I meant by Roman era, I was referring to the reign of the western Roman empire, which fell in the 500's, vikings didn't come along until the 800's

>>51776767
The country was officially renamed Russia by Ivan the Great, well before that point. "Muscovite" was an insult used by Poles to indicate that they're just some shitty backwards peripheral duchy.

>>51774577
Yeah? And what language is on YOUR post?

>>51776767
I mostly mean thats not how the word works though. Countries don't have Motherlands. People have Motherlands.

In medieval "Russia's" case people ascribed their "Citizenship" to whatever principality or city state they lived closest too.

>>51776793
>Retake Alsace!
Alsatian here. Fuck no, this train has sailed. France has still a chance for a brighter future, Germany is utterly fucked by this point by its openly colluding parties that laugh at popular vote. Besides, I don't want to learn German. It's ugly, especially the Alsatian variety. I would only consider the formation of an independent Greater Burgundia.

>>51777015
Yeah but you can't understand philosophy without it. I don't disagree on the ugliness, but it's an ugly reality we live in.

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>>51777041
Ferdinand Foch was right and he should've formulated the terms of Germany's surrender at Versailles.

>>51776877
That would cause the most asshurt, so I definitely support it.

>>51777041
German philosophy is abstract to the point of uselessness and incomprehensible. It tries pretentiously to explain things that philosophy has no business explaining. French philosophers actually did something useful, like exploring the human mind and behaviour. The modern Western culture is based on the XXth century French philosophy, and Enlightenment French philosophy before that.

>>51776897
It was the biggest city to not get fucked by genghis khan, before Moscow eventually rose up and pushed the mongols out, then went on to conquer novgorod. Hence why Moscow is considered their most important city. Those two plus Kiev have all been important to them but Moscow is their number 1 and always will be

>>51777162
>Implying
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOk6HB609po

>>51777162
The fuck are you on about

French philosophy is THE philosophy renowned for being -- everything you described.

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>>51774342
>Vikings + Deus Vult = ?
The Wendish Crusade.

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>>51777189
>All those Americans struggling to figure out what the one /lit/tard is talking about

>>51777189
This is hilarious.

>>51777242
>why is this guy going on about Trump and Germany
>oh shit I think he's a Nazi
>I think he called me a cunt?
>fucking booksmarts

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>>51777181
>It was the biggest city to not get fucked by genghis khan
I guess you will find that no city in Russia got fucked by Genghis Khan.
>Those two plus Kiev have all been important to them but Moscow is their number 1 and always will be
Moscow was just an irrelevant swampy hamlet before the Mongol invasion. The important cities in its general area included Rostov, Suzdal and Vladimir, but not Moscow. Moscow was as relevant as Niagara Falls is relevant for the state of New York. It simply got an extremely intelligent ruler who tricked the Mongols with false promises of eternal friendship and used them to get rid of his much more powerful, but arrogant and overconfident rivals. He was literally Littlefinger.

>>51777193
Not my fault that it's falsely known to the less educated for things that it is not.

>>51776942
>Vikings couldn't conquer any of the European powers,

They beat the English pretty handily until they didn't any more.

Rollo forced Charles to sign the treaty of Saint-Clair-sur-Epte, vikings beat the republic of Pisa and sacked the city, and Harald Hardrada and his mercenary bands fought up and down the Italian peninsula, and vikings briefly took Lisbon and Paris.

What do you want here?

None of this is to say that the vikings were the greatest fighters evar, but you're severely underestimating them in what is basically an effort to be contrarian to a position no one is taking.

>I would also say that chain mail alone had a greater impact on the world than anything that ever came out of Scandinavia.

That's super subjective anon, and lingering on retarded.

If you can attribute everything caused by people wearing chainmail to the Celts, I can attribute anything done by successor kingdoms to Gothic states to vikings and that's just fucking dumb.
(In that case the Scandinavians get to claim Spanish and English achievements and, as I said, that's just fucking dumb.)
Or Scandinavians get feudalism because of the Goths conquest of Rome and their modifications to the imperial bureaucracy which resulted in feudalism.

>>51777189
>The disgust in his voice when he's asked if he's from New York

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>>51777351
Go to bed Jean-Mouloud

>>51774342

Weren't some "viking" raiders partially motivated by being the descendants of displaced pagan survivors of a crusade lead by Charlemagne?

>>51777417
Yes.
A recent theory that is gaining traction is that the viking raids were essentially reactions to Christian aggression and also the closing of traditional trade routes to pagans.

If you can't trade and they're trying to kill you, you strike back.

>>51777442
Well, whites have appropriated so many other things that they might as well take Dinduism too.

>>51777509
It's closer to prevailing ideas about Arab nationalism and Muslim aggression in the middle east and the Hindu Kush (Afghanistan+Pakistan)

>>51777509
>implying the modern concept of whiteness had any meaning before the age of exploration

Most europeans weren't even "white" as it's understood today until the 20th century. I mean fuck man, some europeans still aren't white. What about, like, irish Travelers?

>>51777571
>>51777574
It's a /pol/ joke you spergs.

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>>51777509
>Bar bar bar Widukind dindu nuffin bar bar he a gud boi going to school bar bar need mo money fo dem programs
Fucking pisshairs

>>51777574
They are a curdled stain on the creamy beauty of the race made so glorious by us, the Jewish peoples.

>>51777601
Yes, I know what dindu means. I just corrected it because there's an actual equivalent in modern terms.

>>51777623
Pretty sure dindu is a recent thing as far as slurs go.

>>51777692
Dindu nuffin has been around for a couple years as a racist refrain though.

Deus vults that we consistently fail to hold Jerusalem and weaken the Byzantine Empire so that the Turks can defeat them.

He told me himself.

>>51777749
Fuck Greeks.

>>51774342
>Vikings + Deus Vult = ?

Myfarog?

>>51777775
They're so malleable, it's like they were made for it. Or like they've had generations of practice.

>>51777830
>Varg
>fucking with Christianity.

Nah.

>>51778039
It counts as Christianity even if you coat it in a nice thin paint of LARP.

>>51778125
I really don't think you know who Varg is if you think his work would take any cues from Christian stuff.

>>51778150
Slave morality my friend.

>>51778173
>unironcally using Nietzsche

wew.

And your point is STILL unproven, even with that bizarre dip into philosophy.

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>>51777749

>>51778209
I can throw in spooks if you like

Actual Paganism is lost. Really, really lost. What we've got left is Christianity LARPing as something cooler.

>>51774577
And now yours will soon feature Somalian, while we prepare for Rorkes Drift 2.

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>>51775193
This, they really kicked ass too.

>>51778649
No anon, as like 9 people have said in this thread nothing Scandinavians ever did was cool.

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>>51774342
Ulric warrior priests.

>>51774577
>He says, in English

>>51774342
RIP AND TEAR

>vikings are cool
>actually vikings are gay, fuck those guys who think vikings are cool
>actually vikings are cool, disregard those morons who think they're gay
And the wheel of contrarianism keeps spinning.

So basically Wotan Mit Uns?

>>51778887
Yup, and in 3 days we'll have this thread over again!

>>51774342
= Norman crusaders, starting with Sicilia then Neaples then a big tour the rape vs. ERE finally doing some actual crusading once, then mostly plundering the rest of the time. Still call it crusader, tho.

>>51774577
>Which is better
The Saxon army defeated the norwegian army daays before and did a force march to the south to force the normans to battle.
They did not give ground until a lucky shot got their king.

This led to the whole country going to shit.

"You" truely showed them.

>>51774871
Can't that be said about most wars against russia?

>>51775813
the only thing a christian hates more than a heathen is a heretic. this stays true through most of history.

>>51776793
Why should we germans want Elsass back? It has nothing relevant anymore. The french force assimilated the germans there, so there's not even that.
The rest of your post is regular bullshit. Aside from the EU crap, time for that neoliberal mess to die. This will give me delicious neoliberal and conservative tears.

>>51778728
Never a bad answer. No matter the situation.

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>>51777775
>>51777749
fuck us out of an empire, fuck us out of sovereignty, let us be held by Muslims for 600 years, and once we get our independence you sucker us into a debt spiral.

AND YET WE ARE STILL HERE, fuck germans, fuck Italians, fuck the Venetians especially, EVEN POLAND was a better ally than you.

>>51775828
>having reigned over a huge empire

???

Celts never had an empire. They barely had kingdoms.

>>51779492
he might be talking about the Anatolian celts, the Galatians

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>>51776719
>That's all of British military history: England bravely fighting her many enemies to the last Scotsman.
English need something killed, Scots
English need something colonized, Scots
English need something invented, Scots
English need something fried, Scots
English need need more land, Scotland

>>51778855
You mean american.

>>51775987
>implying that wasn't because the French thought that their southern subjects were getting a bit to Aragonese

>>51774653
Not even what he was talking about

If anything he's a Francophile rather than a normanist

>>51779500
No, he's obviously impliying (either seriously or trolling) that the expansion of celts, galatians entering anatolia included, was the feat of an unified nation as opposed to random hordes.

>>51779500
The Galatians didn't have an empire either tho.

>what if Viking crusaders?

>thread devolves into anglos and germanics defending their historical egos

>>51779555
>thought

It literally happened. One of the main regions, if not THE main region of Aragon at the time was the county of Barcelona which was a political entity founded by franks and legally a french vassal (although not de facto for centuries). Even before joining Aragon the de facto independent count of Barcelona ruled directly or indirectly over important chunks of south france.

>>51776632
As a non-brit, literally this. Ask everywhere, Scotland if a region of England.

>>51779631
That was history by the time of the albigensian crusade, though, they were more worried about Aragon's influence in Provence than in Barcelona.

>>51774342
Why does this seem a bit oxymoronic.

>>51776632
to be fair, the Scots have done a good job of keeping their culture and influencing the rest of the empire while still being a subject.

In fact i think they are better off as part of the empire than they would have been as an independent kingdom.

>>51779666
It was recent enough to mention it in the justification and peace accords of the Aragonese Crusade that happened two generations after the Albigensian one.

>>51779584
well of course it was random hordes, but they still covered the land. are you saying vikings weren't also random hordes/kingdoms?

>>51779751
No one implied the vikings had a continent spanning empire anon.

No one has even referenced the North Sea empire, the most people have brought up is the danelaw.

>>51779751
I'm saying shit barbarians who never had large scale political complexity should not lie about having it. Be it celts or scandinavians.

>>51779714
>In fact i think they are better off as part of the empire than they would have been as an independent kingdom.
the same can be said for every country in the UK. theres no way an island that small could have done what it did as 4 different nations.

>>51779767
>>51779768
then is just sounds like the word empire was misused. if celts and vikings had ever been unified they would have owned an empire the size of nazi germany

>>51779801
I mean the North Sea Empire was the largest either people ever got, and that was pretty big, if short lived.
Danes would establish the Kalmar union which was quite a big larger than Nazi Germany (Greenland is huge)

>>51779889
>(Greenland is huge)
About the size of Africa, if you trust Mercator.

>>51779978
Mercator is eskimo propaganda.

>>51779475
Serbfag here. You brought the kebab into Europe to serve in your internal catfights, so up yours and good riddance.

Sorry about all the raids though.