Pathfinder General /pfg/

Not sure if this thread will get blasted but I guess I'll keep it in my open tabs just in case.

>>51767002
>They'll never do it, anon.
I know, but the three of them have an interesting dynamic.

>>51767052
>How do you make cute young urchins in ragged clothes interesting PCs? Do they HAVE to be sneaky thieves and/or natural magicians? Is it too much to make them secretly royalty?
Last time I was GMing my players followed the story of a child through several hundred year old documents. My players were part of a mercenary force heading through an overgrown sapient jungle. Along the way old ruins dotted the landscape, and the players would stop to explore them. The first set had the following:
>journal of a kid who wanted to go to the big city
>bunch of normal reports in an office
>two letters from a church they couldn't translate
When they got them translated they learned the kid had been selected to go get trained in a bigger city up the road, the one they were heading to. When they got there they went through the old church there as well and found more information on him. They knew his name now, so they followed him. The next set of documents was about his education as a wandering exorcist along with cracking open his old room in the basement. Learned the kid had gone funny and started to hear voices, but was hiding it. They learned this through a box sealed with Arcane Lock that had been left there.

As the game continued they found out more information about the kid and who he was becoming. The players had been sent to recover an artifact from the ruins of the capital in the jungle, but were told to scrounge up anything they could find. Found out the kid had turned into something like a prophet. Eventually they found out the artifact they were going to retrieve was supposed to be his corpse and then found out the kid was in fact not dead and was living in the capital along. The sapient evil jungle was his doing and he lived as a lonely king there wracked with painful madness brought on by the voices.

>>51767052
>How do you make cute young urchins in ragged clothes interesting PCs? Do they HAVE to be sneaky thieves and/or natural magicians?

Does building an Avant Guard to make her a Stand User count as natural magician?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4fuFLGO0iA

stat her

Mystic Theurge?

Are there any mechanics in place for retraining stances?

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Posting this here just for coverage: /r/Pathmaker, a subreddit for Pathfinder Homebrew. I'm the subreddit owner there and can answer any questions.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathmaker/

Anyways, on another topic: what would you all like to see out of a Harrow Medium, if it exists? I'm working on a "recreation" of it so to speak. Instead of the rather cluster-fucky rules it used to have, I'm hybridizing it with the actual release medium.

>Six legendary spirits act as the main set of class features (Seven legendary spirits, if I decide to include the Overmind Psionic Spirit)
>These also act as "anchor points" from which you can add "Harrow aspects" alongside the legendary spirits
>Each legendary spirit has eight harrow spirits.
>Harrow spirits are not associated with an alignment or an ability score, but they are associated with one of the legendary spirits.
>A medium knows about all the legendary spirits, but only knows a limited number of harrow aspects.
>As a medium grows in power, they can channel more harrow aspects, eventually being able to channel four, if they know of that many harrow aspects belonging to one spirit.
>A medum channeling more than one harrow spirit sets each one as either his primary, secondary, tertiary, or quarternary, as appropriate, with decreasing benefits as you go down the line
>A medium can spend one minute in meditation in order to change the order of his harrow aspects, changing which harrow spirit powers he has access to.
>A medium can also spend fifteen minutes in meditation in order to change which legendary spirit he has channeled.

I currently am debating whether I want a small penalty to happen if you change your legendary spirit during the day, to encourage planning ahead and picking the right harrow spirits for the job, though I might scrap this if it proves unpopular. Any thoughts on it, /pfg/-goers?

>>51767173
Youth curse clockwork mystery oracle 5/ imperial bloodline sorcerer 5/ mystic theurge 10

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>>51767194
>Reddit

Lorewipe-anon here. My character got instakilled when a Minotaur crit on him. Then the minotaur got a bounty put on him and like 5 characters curbstomped him, then proceeded to fight over my dead character's loot.
This is a good campaign.
http://lorewipe.boards.net/

>>51767215
>http://lorewipe.boards.net/
I have seen this getting posted constantly. What is this?

>>51767224
It's basically Pathfinder the MMO, without the video game part.

>>51767209
Take it from a guy that literally only uses 4chan for the /pfg/ threads, if you just take that one page from that site, the usual negatives associated with going there are greatly minimized.

>>51767227
I see. So how is it run? A group of GMs approve forum posts or some such?

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>>51767224
>>51767227
You mean a living world.

This is a PbP living world.

>>51767237
Nah, they just approve characters before they go into play.
>>51767239
Living worlds are a misnomer, they don't actually change much, and they're usually based around one location.

>>51767239
See all I know of living worlds is most of the time they are ruled by nepotism and favoritism.

The only time I saw it work was a long time ago on /tg/ where re played more by council and a group of 20 or so were trying to run a village. The guy who ran it was a cruel and uncaring god, he treated everyone equally shitty.

>>51767224
It's basically living campaign shit except there's only murderhobo'ing.

>>51767258
False. I bet you don't even play on it.

>>51767247
>Nah, they just approve characters before they go into play.
I do not understand what you mean. Are there sessions? Is it PbP? How does this work?

>Living campaign
Oh boy, I can't wait till a level 10 player with his expy character tries to challenge me to a duel!

>>51767272
There are sessions, but they're very small sessions that are run a few times a day at the most frequent.
>>51767281
I understand how dirty a word that is, and I understand how you feel. But I'd like you to at least try it before you write it off as garbage.

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>>51767255
The problem with living worlds is that seniority is everything.

Why would you bother joining a living world as a level 1 schmuck when there are level 10 PCs running around being the actual world-saving heroes?

Those level 10 PCs are level 10 because their players had no lives and spent every one of their real-time days making a post like "I use downtime for XP," as if this was a phone game with daily login bonuses.

>>51767287
>There are sessions, but they're very small sessions that are run a few times a day at the most frequent.
Explain the structure. What does it use, roll20? skype? etc.?

All I can see is a game ruled by favoritism, even if it isn't in world it will come up with who gets sessions from an individual GM.

Also as >>51767292 said. Why would I join at level 1 when people so many levels above me are around and what I do can be swept away in a moment by them.

>>51767287
There are a dozen piece of shits living campaigns in roll20. I've seen how toxic that shit is, from corrupt GMs that grant favor to their cliques and bias against others to cheating PCs that magically change their stats and conveniently forget rulings.

Your mmo is going to be shit for the very same reasons why PFS is considered a laughing stock. Because GMs will never be consistent and the members of your party are never consistent.

>>51767247
>Living worlds are a misnomer, they don't actually change much, and they're usually based around one location.
Ain't that the truth. Preach it brother!

PbP "Living worlds" a shit: players in those games can't change -anything-

>>51767292
>Level 10 PCs have no lives
That and they insist on joining level 1 PCs on their quests and throw a tantrum when the GM refuses.

I have literally been to some living campaigns where people reached level 12 by piggybacking on level 1 PCs and stomping on the mobs by themselves.

>>51767292
A very valid complaint, I won't lie. Though I am giving you the opportunity to get in early, seeing as everyone is currently at starting level given how new it is. If it gets to be a problem, I'll see about a system of balances.
>>51767300
Adventuring sessions are played on Roll20 with discord voice. It's kinda hard to explain without actually linking how Daily actions work, so here: http://lorewipe.boards.net/thread/8/daily-actions

>>51767311
Except they are more like "static cities" than "living worlds". Nothing actually changes, nothing actually matters, like >>51767315
said.

A problem with playtests is that the really good or interesting stuff gets a lot of feedback, and the offensively or glaringly bad stuff gets feedback, but people just don't bother with the mediocre stuff because it's not good enough to invest in but not bad enough to hate.

Mediocre stuff never gets enough feedback to make it not mediocre and then it goes to print like that.

What playtests should do is keep a record of what things they get feedback on, and then at the end of their run take an extra hard look at what never got brought up.

>>51767287
Oh boy! I can't wait to play with the metagaming GM that makes everything in his encounter immune to my abilities!

>>51767269
Damn straight, but everything that's been posted about it has been murderhobo.

>>51767334
>Except they are more like "static cities" than "living worlds". Nothing actually changes, nothing actually matters, like >>51767315 said.

Èxcuse my curiosity: Why play it?

>>51767339
>Implying that's a living world problem and not a shitty GM problem.
>>51767350
Understandable. To be fair though, the murderhoboing was mainly due to an Orc PC ICly wanting the shinies.

>>51767360
So you can make anon some ad revenue

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>>51767334
>PbP
>but with Discord voice

How is this NOT the worst of both worlds?

>>51767334
>Play by post
>Discord voice

I'd really like it if you could stop advertising here.

>>51767360
Why play the dozen other "living worlds", you mean? That's a good question.
>>51767366
I do it for free, goy.
>>51767368
The combat isn't PbP, the combat is over Roll20.

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>>51767368
>Someone reads your post in a mocking voice

>>51767366
But that would be a breach of Global Rule #11.

>>51767380


Why voice, man... I was about to give it a try... Fuck.

Also, why do you not allow 3pp? Balance reasons?

>>51767412
I know rite, I long for the day where the rules of these lands are actually enforced

>>51767422
Balance reasons, and to be honest, voice isn't required. If you're text-only you're just as welcome, though I do suggest at least trying to listen in on the voice.

>>51767368
Well, there's ONE way it could be worse.
You could not only *hear* the big fat neckbeards insisting they are were always born as pretty princesses (and I don't mean their characters)...

You could also *see* them from full video.

Imagine that, if you will (you shouldn't).

>>51767368
>"Its totally text only for encounters"
>Anon joins game
>"Hey anon, join this discord room just for OOC ok?"
>Everyone roleplays via voice
>Anon 2shy to unmute his mic, tries to RP via text
>Everyone reads his post out loud
>Someone chuckles in the background
>Anon is sure that its not laughter aimed at him but still feels uncomfortable anyways
I would love to join this shit just to watch the spaghetti spill

>>51767432

There are already 2 Exploiter wizards, and you're worried about balance?

Run your game how you want, because yeah 3pp can be a lot of things to sort through for character approval.

But on your own time, you should look into how 3pp content can help players get around some pitfuls of Paizo. Not for the lorewipe thing, but for you to better understand the game. If you want. Up to you.

I refuse to take Companion to the Lonely. You can't make me.

>>51767422
Nah, he'd have to lock out CRB for that as well.

>>51767450
Oh jesus why did you give me that image.
>>51767454
A fair point. When I said "balance" I more meant "It's hard enough managing first party rules-lawyers, now you want to add third-party to that mess?!"

But I will look into it for non-Lorewipe games, for sure.

>>51767476
To tell the truth, with three wizards you are basically going to have no martials because they will never do anything.

I know that I would never join a game with that many wizards in play, no matter how big the playerbase was. It just destroys the point of the game... But that said, I can't stop you.

>>51767512
You really overestimate what the average schmuck can do with a wizard.

Are Half Orcs cowardly? I know they have the rage and emotion to get fucking pissed and fight like badgers. They're emotional though right? I'd think they might be prone to fight or flight.

I'm just asking to try and understand half orcs better.

>>51767512

Also an Arcanist as soon as I can figure out what kind if Arcanist is better than an Exploiter wizard.

>>51767531
No arcanist is better than a wizard. The spell progression is just too important and the preparation mechanic is just too inferior.

>>51767456
IMPROVED IRON WILL 10 TIMES A DAY!

>>51767548

Looks like my only choice is be the best optimized wizard then.

Damn... I'm not good at that. Time to learn.

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Have you ever played a vampire, or had a player who's character was one?
How did it go?

>>51767576
It's so good it ought to be a Vigilante Talent. It's completely out of place amidst the Social Talent rubbish. It's so good, it's basically the talent that absolutely everybody should take. And that's why I can't take it.

>>51767112
That's bretty cool

>>51767590
full vampire or do dhampir and variants count

>>51767590
Undead immunities alone cause serious gameplay imbalance. Nevermind the heap of useful feats and ability score adjustments the template gives.

>>51767592
I wonder if Paizo really thought the condition on it would be hard to fulfill.

On a class that's designed for city adventures, and "keyed" to charisma, in a game that regularly acknowledges its pervert community.

>>51767603
Not to mention their complete disregard for the amount of gold an adventurer makes compared to how much the the simple amenity of a prostitute costs. Even more so if you trick her out before doing the deed.

>Put on the headband of Charisma, slut.

>>51767592
More like, more social talents though be that good.
Seriously, why are 80% of social talents so awful, considering it's the common space that almost all 1pp vigilante archetypes share.

Even most of the Jolly archetypes don't touch the social talents, I think he really should have added more new ones.

>>51767600
Full vampire, but nothing's stopping you from writing about dhampir and variants m8.
's a free board, at least partly.

>>51767628
Social talents are meant to be less powerful. A Vigilante gets a full suite of Vigilante Talents, AND THEN a full suite of social talents too.

And they're clearly aware of this fact seeing as they made an Extra Social Talent feat, but NOT an Extra Vigilante Talent feat.

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>>51767601
Part of the reason I'm asking.

Huh, there's a Sacred Geometry app now. Neat.

Alright, so there's that and blood money. What else should I learn how to do in my quest to blatantly stroke my dick and ego at the same time?

>>51767656
Social talents shouldn't be as good as vigilante ones, but they should still be better than trash.

>>51767628
Jolly has a couple good ones. I like that one that gives you a skill specialty from Legendary Rogues, and that one that lets you do whatever the fuck you want for each alignment.

>>51767676
Better than trash yeah, but Companion to the Lonely is still way better than it should be.

Better than some but less good than that.

>>51767682
I still need to look into Legendary Rogues/Assassins to see what the fuck those talents can actually do.

>>51767694
>>51767682
Ditto. I completely glazed over those because I didn't want to have to dig up a whole different book to figure out what that option did.

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>>51767657
The thing you have to remember is that immunities generally also carry penalties and vulnerabilities. Vampires are undead, and therefore vulnerable to shenanigans that specifically target undead. There's also the whole light weakness thing.

That's the big trick. If you can keep in mind the state of being the character has, the GM can produce compelling narratives that can involve a character getting a chance to shine because they're immune to something the party isn't, or give a chance for the rest of the party to shine by taking them out of commission briefly.

It's something I encountered when I played a Ghoran; they're immune to poison, stuns, and mind-affecting stuff, so when the GM gave us a situation where one of the team had to shut down something that was putting radiation into the area, my character was the only one that could get close to the artifact to shut it down while the rest of the party was working on keeping the area free of hostiles.

>>51767694
They're supposed to optional replacements for Trapfinding so they're fairly similar. They give a 1/2 level bonus to a give skill under particular circumstances.

Of course, everybody just picks the one that gives 1/2 level to initiative.

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Is this true? >>51751635

>People talking about "the good ol' days", and how King Draconis III was the best king ever.
>Constantly shitting on King Draconis IV, even though he lowered taxes and reformed the army to be way more effective. He just wasn't very inspiring or charismatic, and he allowed in a lot of immigrants.

>Principality of Pathfinder claims they are followers of the "true" royal lineage, and has become xenophobic and stagnant.
>Its rulers are a group of wizards in a giant ivory tower, whose proclamations tend to be complex, contradictory, and show little to no understanding of the situation on the ground.
>The people still support them because the encyclopedia sized lawbooks scare away any foreigners who might try to "taint the purity of the nation". Meanwhile the native residents happily ignore, re-write, or massively reinterpret the laws however their particular town wants.

>>51766044
Very late, but I wanted to clarify that the fluff lines on the aether pulse descriptions are not open to refluffing BECAUSE they're not even meant to have concrete fluff at all. Your Aether Pulse looks however you WANT it to look - our intention when writing them was to give people ideas on what they COULD look like, not what they MUST look like. Your Nation Avowed's pulse can look like a whisper-silent arrow in the night. Or, perhaps, if you want to find a happy middle ground - maybe it takes the form of the national bird of your country, formed of pure shadow and streaking after the opponent.

Why aren't there Neutral vampires?

>>51767768
Because Pharasma is a bitch.

>>51767768

I made a neutral vampire for Sleeping Goddess.

Then the GM vanished without a trace.

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Here's hoping Psychic Anthology fixes occult classes. (Looking at you, Medium and Kineticist)

>>51767768
Undead are inherently evil.

I know Heroes of the High Court and Psychic Anthology got dumped already but has Strange Aeons vol. 6 been dropped here yet?

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>>51767838
That's a little discriminatory, don't you think?

>>51767642
well i played with one guy super dark edgelordy type
plays dhampir rogue cuz darkness
attempts to be super mysterious not disclose any backstory which wouldn't have been bad if he didn't only respond with amateur philosophy and broodingness when spoken to
takes a bad hit in the first dungeon hasn't IC told us the whole "healing magic hurts me" deal
says something about the fragility of mortality refuses healing
the resident big fucker at the end of the dungeon hits him
negatives
the group's cleric who was pretty chill to most of us is just about done with him when he goes into a little to much detail on his "agonizing" collapse
kill big guy
cleric goes to heal the blunted edge
he ooc protests but cleric insists we have no in game reason not to heal him
death by healing
tell him to get a a character concept not written by a 12 year old and that random deep sounding quotes isnt dialog
says we don't understand and he had a character arc in his head, leaves in a huff
played a couple games with other members of the group at later times but never saw dude again

>>51767874
Man, we don't even have Hell's Vengeance 6 yet.

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>>51767334
>A very valid complaint, I won't lie. Though I am giving you the opportunity to get in early, seeing as everyone is currently at starting level given how new it is. If it gets to be a problem, I'll see about a system of balances.

So basically, if you don't early adopt, you might as well not bother joining later?

How is this a good idea?

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>>51767334
>daily actions

So... you get a small bonus for logging and posting a downtime action.

This is literally a phone game's daily login bonus. It rewards people who, EVERY DAY for like a whole year, log in and make a post.

Why.

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>>51767821
PHARASMAA!!!

How the fuck do you play elves well?

How the fuck does someone that's 120 years old suddenly take level 1 in a class and start adventureing? What the fuck were they doing during those 120 years that they're outskilled by a fucking 16 year old human rogue?

>>51768084
suckling their mothers' teats

>>51768084

Someone went over this before.

Basically between age 0 and 100, elves are fragile little autists who's minds can't yet handle real life.

When they hit 120, their brain works "normal"

So I'm a new GM, I should be relying mostly in theatre of the mind unless there's combat or a dungeon, right? The idea of physically drawing/detailing all the towns actually seems tedious and unrewarding.

>>51768097
Like this kind of makes sense... Like during the first 100 years elves are like the autists in /g/ desktop threads that rice their arch linux install and have anime wallpapers with little to no drive or real world skills. But even they still fuck around with programming and develop odd skills.

100 years is a long fucking time for the abilities that a level 1 character has to make sense. Every time I try and make an elf I just don't know how to answer what the fuck I did during that time.

>>51768084
Elves are turboslow learners.

Also, the fact that they have so much fucking time to do literally ANYTHING means they spend a lot of it doing absofuckinglutely NOTHING.

Meanwhile on the other end of the spectrum? Kobolds? Goblins? fucking ORCS? These bastards hit middle-aged at TWENTY YEARS OLD. They can learn to be a level 1 wizard at 16 years old. Elves, the supposedly magical race? 120 fucking years.

You can have an entire fucking family line of kobold wizards before that elven fuckboy puts down his drow bodypillow and decides to learn how the fuck cantrips work.

And do you know why?

MOTIVATION.

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>>51768126
Actually, my understanding is that it's less "Takes 120 years to become an adult" and more "takes 120 years to be considered an adult" and they more or less age at the same rate humans do until they hit their prime.

A cocky elf that's about 40 could go off adventuring; they'd basically just be a teenager. Most Elves wouldn't consider the learning of the elf in question done until THEY thing the character is old enough.

Where can you find lvl 17+ Clerics in the wild/not of the party?

>>51768197
only place to find people like that is in one of two places

>Retired super-adventurer. These are the sort of people that are world-renowned, and while they may have an obvious location, getting to them (either because they're hermits or because of politics) is a hell of a trip. This option works for basically any class.

>The capital of a theocratic nation. Could even roll with faithful divine casters of this nation's patron god being more powerful inside the walls of the city; the pope stand-in or high priest or whatever could even be a pretty mediocre cleric anywhere else, but be like level 20 inside the walls

>>51768219
>Pope

Man, I wanna come across a goddamn Pope.

And he has to be a cool pope like Frank.

>>51768197
Look for the bigger evil cults. You can find CR18 Cult leaders all the time.

>>51768243
I bet they don't spawn in view until the party are like 14th level though

>getting sheets for new campaign
>one character is a swashbuckler (picaroon) that carries like 8 handguns in his bandolier (early gun tech level), wasting lots of money for flavor, fine it's fun
>gunsmith (naturally) and a former pirate captain
>the revolver was inspired by capstan mechanisms
To me, this is basically begging for him to get access to or even "invent" the revolver some point well into the campaign. I'm not worried about it being crazy powerful, it's the same as having lots of ready pistols, it's just cooler. I'm just wondering how I'd work this suggestion in with him. Telling him his character can have X idea is not fun, it's playing the character for him, and I doubt he'll press it on his own because it's beyond the tech level I gave him. Having an NPC push him in that direction might work but I have no idea how that might play out without stealing the glory.

Thoughts?

>tfw lying whore

https://www.myth-weavers.com/sheet.html#id=1113891

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Where were you when Dreamscarred Press failed to live up to its promises for years?

>Path of War 1 errata
>Ultimate Psionics errata

>a dozen December 2015 commissions for archetypes/disciplines that cost $75 EACH

>Tzocatl/truenaming

Is DSP a corpse now?

>>51767735
While parts of it might be technically accurate to how the game is often played, I'd say that whoever wrote that was going way, WAY out of their way to try and smear Pathfinder fans as a bunch of idiotic assholes.

Smells like Stormwind to me.

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>>51768437
For what purpose?

>>51767893
Not when they literally prey on the living and emit negative energy hastening the entropy of the prime material.

Vampires in particular *get off* on slowly draining the life out of sapients in ways that can only be described as "rapeish".

Only Paizo's APs would ever consider calling one of those Good, and even then only if it's fighting against something Lawful like... a non-corrupt and helpful government organization.

>>51768187
Actually given they'd mechanically have the Young template from doing this, they're physically young as well.

Their brains may grow like turboautists compared to us, but they ARE growing at a pace that's normal for their bodies. That 40 year old elf would be like a human 6 year old.

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>>51768510
>Not when they literally prey on the living and emit negative energy hastening the entropy of the prime material.
>Mfw this shit again

>>51768386
Have him discover a few prototype weapons in a lab that just barely don't work, and the research was abandoned.

Some things like volcano pistols that jam too much, rotating pepperboxes with a single hammer that wears out too fast to be field viable, or a rifle with a limited spring-loading idea that just barely hasn't gotten to bolt-action.

Then... let him invent his own kind of weapon using the prototypes for ideas. Stat it as a revolver if that's close to what he creates, but make it his own invention.

>>51768497
Explore roleplaying that type of character. Its a lot different than anything I've played before and I actually just never lie irl either. Mostly because of this quote and life experiences that have made me believe its truth.

inb4 >ayn rand

"People think that a liar gains a victory over his victim. What I’ve learned is that a lie is an act of self-abdication, because one surrenders one’s reality to the person to whom one lies, making that person one’s master, condemning oneself from then on to faking the sort of reality that person’s view requires to be faked…The man who lies to the world, is the world’s slave from then on…There are no white lies, there is only the blackest of destruction, and a white lie is the blackest of all."

>>51768534
Well, that's fucking stupid.

>>51768554
Fuken diip m8

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>>51768510
I'm not saying that Vampires' necrology doesn't tend towards them being burdens upon society at best, but to apply a blanket statement of 'evil' to all undead is patently unfair and discriminatory.

As for that 'entropy of the prime material' business... do you have even a single fact to back that up? Negative energy has been proven time and again to be just as legitimate an animating force as Positive energy.

>>51768572
>LoK
Your argument is automatically valid

>>51768571
Lets say I wanted to shank someone in the game.

>hide dagger
>get them to lower guard
>stab them for sneak attack damage

How would I do this, what ae the skill checks? I have a feeling this will come up a lot maybe.

>>51768621
Sleight of Hand
Bluff or diplomacy
Attack roll

>>51768626
Its minus dex for being flat footed right?

would it go
>surprise round
>stab stab stab
>roll initiative
>if I win stab stab stab again and he still doesn't have dex save?

>>51768650
idk I've never played Pathfinder
Just browsed the thread, srd and wiki because I love the setting for some reason

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>>51768650
>>51768657
But probably?
Have great music from a handful of threads back holy shit I love this shit in return for my ineptitude
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jZUFnOZ5IE

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>>51768510
>>51768572
Living flesh and blood humans can get off on exsanguination and death just fine, anon. That's a very unfair statement to make of vampires.

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How do you guys manage to RP effectively in games with a GM + 5 or more players?

The roleplaying always turns into a clusterfuck of everyone talking over each other in my experience.

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Been invited to join a local Pathfinder Society campaign starting up called Year Of The Stolen Storm. My creative juices seem to have hit a dam and I can't think of any good character ideas.
Give me some character concepts that can be fun to roleplay. I'm a sucker for flavor so it doesn't have to be incredible mechanically, just cool.

>>51768742
A well forged group dynamic, I would assume

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>>51767052
cute young urchin barbarian

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How do I into 7 Cha noble with Student of Philosophy/Orator?

What're some nice general feats for when I'm fine enough in combat that I can afford to waste slots?

>>51768796
Make her have a horrendous cough and talk like a 75 year old smoker.

>>51768742
Taking turns, really. But the proper solution is to have less than 6 players.

You can also bring in someone who doesn't really enjoy roleplay and is mostly quiet during such situations.

>>51768796
Y'know Spock? Like that. Be clinical, "logical", and dry about everything. Borderline humorless, convinced that you're better for being "in control of your emotions" or whatever junk when really you're just socially retarded.

So this may be a dumb question but are the classes from Tome of Secrets available in Pathfinder Society? What about Psionics Unleashed and Neoexodus?

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>>51768814
How does RotJR manage it with TWO parties of 6 players each?

>>51768829
Different sessions.

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>>51768843
6 players is still a lot.

>>51768825
No 3pp of any kind. PFS is all about making you buy Paizo products, hence the "must own a copy" for anything outside the CRB.

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>Taldor GM rules that Chained sneak attack and Unchained sneak attack don't stack

Wh-What is this?

Slayer 6/Unchained rogue 3 gets only 2d6 Sneak Attack?

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>>51768871
Run, Mary. Run faster. You'll never outrun your nightmares.

And uh, yes it is a lot. But people manage.

>>51768881
That's... Absolutely sensible, anon.

>>51768796
>>51768871
>>51768894
Is this fluid druid from somewhere?

>>51768903
Wait scratch that I thought you were talking gestalt.

Yeah for multiclass thats stupid.

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>>51768903
So what you're saying is, if I'm slayer 6/Unchained rogue 3, I get only 2d6 Sneak Attack, but if I'm slayer 6/CHAINED rogue 3, I get 4d6 Sneak Attack?
Why?

>>51768904
Shikkoku no Sharnoth.

>>51768911
unchained sneak attack works even in partial concealment

>>51769008
Which is good, because things tend to have partial concealment at night.

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>>51769008
So why don't they stack?

>>51769029
not knowing it's coming can only hurt THAT much more.

There comes a point where you need to actually hit harder too.

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>>51768555

>>51768742
It's simple anon. Don't play with autists who can't follow multiple threads of conversation at once.

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>>51769097
Maximus overkeksimus

>>51769040
Yeah, it can hurt 10d6 more.

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>>51769097
>>51769188
In what game do elves turn adults at 50?

>>51768170
>puts down his drow bodypillow
>putting down the drow bodypillow

>>51768742
It's very little issue if it's text.
That said I've seen what happens when it's done on discord, and one of the reasons I greatly dislike voiced games. Because the GM is only listening to one or two of those conversations; one of them is about metal gear, one of them is about gay rights, and only one of the other four people in the conversation is trying to actually do his turn.

Chances are, the GM'll just wave off whatever you just tried to do as not working, the MGS guy will call you a whiny shitter for asking anything regarding how or why that nat20 did nothing after "uh yeah it didn't work" was all you got, and it'll take another ten minutes for the initiative tracker to even switch to the next guy, who's not going to notice this hour.

>>51768554
>What I’ve learned is that a lie is an act of self-abdication, because one surrenders one’s reality to the person to whom one lies
...what kind retarded logic is this?

>>51768554
Rand was a cranky old racist who couldn't even practice what she preached once she started begging for money after her books didn't make her enough to pay for cancer treatments (nor did the amount of tax she'd paid over the years even come close, because guess what; the companies who make the chemo drugs kinda have you by the throat, yay free market she used to say though!)

>>51769254
If you don't keep the lie in the back of your mind and play to it with that person, you may as well have not lied? Otherwise, it's obvious you lied? You turn yourself into a puppet trying to dance to many tunes at once.

This obviously varies based on exactly what the lie was but it makes enough sense.

>>51769286
...no, it doesn't, because most of the people you meet in your life are people you'll never meet again and even if you meet them again aren't relevant. If you lie to your friends, people you'll have to live with, people with close professional connections, etc. then it becomes a problem because of the so-called loss of credit. But if I lie to someone to get an edge over someone else, or if I lie to someone so he does me a favor I don't intend to repay, or so on, why do I dance to his tune? It's stupid as hell.

>>51769286
So she's just copying Sir Walter Scott except worse.

"Oh! What a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive"

Like half the length and twice as clear.

>>51769310
I never said it was original! It's not hard to understand though.

>>51769285
Drug manufacture exclusivity is due to the patent system and government interventionism, and has nothing to do with the free market. Kill yourself.

>>51769333
Without patent system and government intervention, such drugs wouldn't get developed in the first place.

>>51769356
>>51769333
Not the place for it, unless you want to start discussing how tithes to the church for free healing for all is immoral.

>>51769413
Do ANY golarion religions offer free healing for all?

I thought it was more of a "Tithes now OR ELSE, and if you want healing you better cough up the fucking cash, fucking proles" affair for most gods?

>>51769286
>Otherwise, it's obvious you lied?
Why does that matter if you get what you want in the short term?

"Oh, the baby is yours, no you aren't getting visitation rights but you do need to pay alimony." Then move away and refuse to speak to the sap.

"No, I gave you a $100 note, give me change for $97 or I'll call your supervisor and say you're cheating me!"

"I know the manager, give me free food."

>>51769468
Because people have a habit of wanting their shit, and if you try to screw them out of their shit they will probably retaliate.

If this keeps happening, you will eventually develop a reputation for screwing people over and that has ways of following you around at the worst possible moment.

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>>51768815
You mean 2hu?

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How would you explain her wearing stiletto heels?

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>>51769597

>>51769464
Healing Domain deities are: Bolka, Dalenydra, Immonhiel, Irori, Isis, Jiraviddain, Korada, Lorcan, Lythertida, Marishi, Milani, Osiris, Osolmyr, Pharasma, Qi Zhong, Reymenda, Sarenrae, Sekhmet, Selket, Shei, Vildeis

Irori probably offers free healing.

>>51769507
Anon's particular example has the weight of the law protecting it, however. Even DNA tests aren't always enough (particularly in the US) to clear you of child support if she went and lied and said the father's you.

And you won't get any of it back, "because it was for the good of the child", even though you were literally accused of something you didn't do, punished for it, and defrauded out of rather substantial amounts of money.

It doesn't matter that the child might not even get a damn penny of it (including as 'materials' like diapers,etc). I've dealt with more than one situation where the child might not even be with the mother anymore, she's off injecting all of it god knows where, but that often doesn't even matter to the court. They don't care.

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>>51768796
>7 Cha
Make her one of those orators who have to spend days reciting and mocking up the actual speech before she actually gives one. Just because she has low charisma doesn't mean she doesn't know how to write a good speech - her low normal CHA can be supplemented by her presumably high INT by aping the Caesars and Ciceros and Hitlers of history.
As far as philosophy make her be the type to write giant books on her subject instead of presenting it to the masses.
Just because she's shit at CHA doesn't mean she's bad at debate, which is INT more than anything else - a formal philosophy debate opens with a billion definitions and doesn't sound like normal speech at all.
In normal conversation either make her shy as fuck / a stutterer, or make her sound incredibly pretentious, not because she wants to but because she's bad at speaking to others and resorts to talking like she's giving a lecture.

>>51768812
>>51769623
>her
But Anons, he's a princess (male).

>>51769597
She's carrying a lance. She's obviously just off her horse right now, since high heels were sometimes used to keep your feet from slipping in stirrups.

>>51769634
poor Alto.

>>51769617
Yeah, I agree with that. The child support system is fucked, but I was speaking in general.

>>51769645
Who?

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>>51769641
Are you sure it works that way?

>>51769667
People actually did wear high heels on horseback if that's what you're asking.

>>51769688
they didn't live very long though, considering you'll get caught in the saddle and dragged to death.

>>51769647
Just to vent a moment here;
The worst case I EVER had to represent was as such:

>Not actually the father is paying child support and alimony
>Child is with the grandparents, mother nowhere to be found
>Actual father wants custody of the child and would actually raise it, but has no claim because she wrote other guy, who turned out to be her affluent ex supervisor, was written as the father
>Said supervisor only found out he was on the hook for an entire year of delinquent payments and penalties around the same time he found out lady had been pregnant. That is to say, out of the fuck*** blue.
>Court dates delayed six times, 14 months total, because the mother never shows up and yet judge refuses to default against her, because children need their mother more than anything
>Mother turned out to be a Jane Doe 8 months in
>Grandparents adopted the child
>Actual father was given notice of adoption a month too late to respond, as the written date of delivery was from two months earlier.
>Father not allowed within 500ft of grandparents house, they're afraid he'd "kidnap" his own child
>Not-father still on child-support as of March 2016

This is why I play murderhobos in fucking pathfinder.

>>51769664
The "princess" in Macross Frontier
AKA the main guy gets called by those around him.

>>51769711
>let me educate you even though I know literally nothing at all about the subject
Ok.

>>51769711
Maybe try not falling off the horse? Like an actual rider.

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>>51767829
It is good, but I'm not sure if it's as good as you want it to be.

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>>51769097
Ah, so that's the translation of that frame...
>>51769215
The best ones?

>>51769464
Not sure about in setting, but due to character actions there is a group of mostly good shadow witches that preach about the enveloping shadow that watches over and guards the world. Their mostly displaced fetchlings and consider it their duty to learn the healing hex and pass it to anyone who asks.

>>51769597

High heels are NOT cute!

>>51769768
In retrospect that "magus" spiritualist is kinda disappointing. Why doesn't its ectoplasmic pool allow it to give straight enhancement bonuses again? And why does everything cost way more ectoplasm then it's worth? This motherfucker can easily burn their entire pool in a turn.

Oh well, I guess that's what homebrew is for.

Hey guys, so I'm looking for a type of Fey built around ravens and crows that my character could make as his patron, are my options really limited to the Vilderavn?

Do you think a Vilderavn patron in Taldor Ascendant would be a neat idea?

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>>51769720
He had it coming

You cannot put an enhancement bonus to armor on clothing, right?

>>51769768
I think Kinetic Invocation was a huge help to the kineticist. It doesn't fix the issues with Burn, but it at least gives kineticists some real utility by way of spells. Particularly since there's ways to get access to it without actually taking the feat.

>>51770153

The clothing need to be armor, which means a minimum armor bonus of +1.

Certain types of silk shirts and particularly puffy coats can give you a +1.

>>51770239
Point being: it must still "count" as armor to get any enhancement bonus, though.

>>51770216
It's basically infinite spellcasting for an avant-garde actually.

Also palatable if using stamina as a buffer for burn as some GMs allow, though that's obviously houserules by that point.

Legendary Kineticist can also do it a little more easily. As could the Utility Mutation, but that'll trash your blasts.

>>51770247
I think yes, it needs to be at least light armor.

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I'm looking for a magic item that I'm not sure if I'm remembering or if I dreamed it up: It's basically a shadow lantern or set of shadow puppets that cast shadow conjuration or a similar effect. It may have been a Wayang only piece of equipment. Anybody else remember this item?

>>51768477
Basically. The market is shit.

>>51769549
But 2hu has a sense of humor (I think?). They like dank memes, at least.

>>51768477
This image always cracks me up. And yeah, DSP is a shadow of its former self. Just look at that Psicrystal book.

Where can I read up on the various horse breeds of Golarion?

>>51770756
>A sense of humor

Then they should use it more often

I know it's a bit late, but thanks you two for answering my question.

>>51766488
>>51766540

>>51767052
My game has a street urchin NPC, a low-level Rogue in a mid-level party. Instead of treating her like a normal character with an initiative score she's like a 'tag-in' ally in a fighting game. She hangs back behind cover or in shadows until she's signalled to help, at which point she sneaks in and aids an ally as part of an attack or combat maneuver. So far her most common method of aid is her jumping on someone's back and wrapping her arms around their face while the Cleric smacks a mace into their stomach. After helping briefly she retreats and looks for another opening, unless an enemy attacks her which usually results in her being incapacitated for the rest of the encounter.

I think Rogue and Sorcerer are popular choices for street urchin characters because it's easy to explain and they don't require a lot of formal training. In cities with lots of parks or greenery you could also get away with teenage Druids, and you could make a decent case for teenagers with Barbarian and Fighter levels. Most of the other classes require access to training or resources that street kids just don't have, especially Wizards. Spellbooks don't exactly fall out of the sky, but anyone can be a dragon's great-grandchild.

>>51770824
Summoner and Witch could work too.

>>51770800
You can't, because Paizo won't out in the effort.

All you need to know is the people who have horses are Shoanti, Hongol, Taldane, Molthuni, and I think some other scattered breeders

>>51770800
Knights of the Inner Sea has a section on them I believe.

>>51770824
Chosen One paladin is perfect for this. It's almost like becoming a magical girl.

>>51770959
>scattered breeders
>tfw I once got called a breeder cause I didn't let some guy I didn't know buy me a beer
It was the most surreal experience in my entire life.

>>51771027
Where the hell was this? Because if it's th kind of place where people would unironically use that as an insult to you in real life, then it's high time you found a better place to go

>>51769711
Have you never ridden a horse before? The heels make it HARDER to fall, not easier. And you don't get caught in the stirrups, indeed the spikes or flats that were worn made your feel less likely to be caught on anything, because they'd just slide right out.

So...I have been given a pre-made rogue dwarf character. In what way should I level him up until I get to play a real character?

>>51771098
Some bar in NorCal. That's why I said it was surreal. It's kinda out of place up here.

>>51771131
Post stats, probably retrain to cleric if Wis>=17-18

>>51770800
>>51770960

Knights of the Inner Sea and the newest book on the Keleshite have horse breeds.

>>51771141

Was it a gay bar? Because that's a pretty old school gay insult

>>51771141

Are you sure? Because being called a filthy breeder seems right at home in the liberal wonderland that is California.

>>51771127

This guy speaks the truth, I have never more secure than on a horse with riding boots hooked into the stirrups.

That said, horses are big lumbering goofballs so while it's easy to stay on a horse, you'd be shocked at how obnoxious it is to steer the thing.

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>>51771218
Huh. That's pretty cool.

>>51771240
California is like New York, where the southerly mega city section is heavily liberal, while upstate tends to be where the more sane people live

>>51771399

>implying sanfran/silicon valley isn't in northern california

>>51771425

San Fran is a confusing dichotomy of Arch Liberals living in squalor while all the money makers in Silicon Valley are dorky white men who indulge in the conservative white picket fence lifestyle they believe they deserve.

>>51771436
ok

Where can I get a /pfg/?

>>51771436
>>51771399
And what, pray tell, do you have against free markets, civil rights, freedom of speech and of the press, and secular governments?

Because those are literally things espoused by liberalism.

>>51771804

Not by modern American 'liberals' where certain speech is outlawed, poor people of some ethnicities are given handouts but others aren't, and businesses aren't even allowed to hire who they want without meeting diversity quotas, and the truth is 'fake news'.

>>51771804
>>51771823
I said /pfg/ not /pol/

>>51771857
"I roll to call my target a cuck"

>>51771804
To Americans anything left of fusionism is anarcho-communism.

>>51771857

Sorry honey, but if you can't handle the truth, don't ask.

Cuck.

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>http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?515705-Dreamscarred-Press-Bloodforge-Infusions-Playtest

New Bloodforge update and in it:
>Catfolk racial variants! You can be a lion catfolk or psionic lynx catfolk or even a bakeneko.
>Yes, bakeneko! Catfolk can be your weeb waifu now.
>Hyena kitsune! Taunki kitsune (?)!
>Half-drows, half-orcs half-elves!
>And more!

>>51771823
>the truth is "fake news"
>according to liberals
So, Donald Trump is a liberal now?

>>51771862
>>51771866
Art imitates life.

>>51771878

It's called using the weapons of the enemy against themselves.

Trump confirmed for preparing Spell Turning

>>51771872

Do the catfolk variants have different ability score bonuses? Because it'd be hilarious if they didn't.

Also, aren't hyena kitsune just gnolls?

>>51771878

Trump is one of the first truly economic conservative presidents in a long time.

Remember:

Capitalism = liberal
Mercantilism = conservative

>>51771900
No, because gnolls aren't cute baka senpai desu desu~~~~~~~~~~~

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>>51771872
Better than foxgirls. Time to read.

>>51771823
"interesting" fact: The biggest handouts are given to the South Center-US deep-red states, while california, new york and other "blues" are paying something like 1.15 to 1.25 in taxes for every dollar they get back in services. However, thanks to the way the news and their own officials word these things, many families down south can be made to happily vote away "that nasty welfare", because the subsidies they're living on are "totally a different thing".

>>51771908
>economic conservative
>lower taxes on the big companies aka allow for capitalism
>conservative
Maybe in Muricaspeak

Rolled 9 (1d20)

If I roll above a 10 then /pol/ needs to fuck off
If I role below a 10 or lower then /pol/ can stay and everyone else just bail until they finish

>>51771895
Just how far right do you have to be to consider even Fox News as being liberal???????

Like, what the hell happened to the signposts since the 70s? Who the fuck planted them on mars?

>>51771952
fuck

>>51771954

MSN and CNN is conservative. Fox is liberal.

>>51771926

>complaining about agricultural subsidies.

Wow, I guess you don't like eating. And resent feeding black people, since we have most of them. I guess you can just try and subsist off kombucha.

>>51771952
Nice going, dipshit.

>>51771930
Well, actually there he's not wrong, but it's neoconservative, not classical.

Non-intervention was the conservative policy waaaay back before the "new conservative" movement (which were considered too left by the neocons later, which themselves were more recently considered too left by alt-right).

Problem of course being that "non-intervention" is like practicing communism: It quickly turns into quite the sham. Competition gets replaced by cartels without regulation, and once firmly entrenched, suddenly "government intervention" happens again; at the beck and call of the monopolies. Telcoms that are often the *only* choice in many small areas using government intervention to block municipal fiber in one hand while deregulating anti-trust protections with the other.

Can we get back on track to what really matters?

How lewd is TOO lewd in session?

>>51771913

https://youtu.be/qIjgIQweeYA

>/pfg/ - Politically Incorrect
I miss the days when we could talk about Pathfinder in here...

>>51771973
I'm not complaining about them; but a whole lot of red states ARE.

And that's a damned problem.

>>51772008

Is it no longer limited to private messages?

If so, too lewd.

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>>51772008
when it gets so explicit that even the rest of the party can't manage enough hilarious commentary to keep everyone from getting so awkward the game stops.

That's definitely gone too lewd.

>>51772041
Apologies; I realize now that technically this image includes some nipples, but I hope that it is too abstract and unsexy enough that it will not count as some sort of explicit imagery.

I mean really, no one's gonna get stiff from this thing right?

>>51771952
It amazes me that all this bullshit started because some anon wanted to know about horse breeds. Thank you for reminding me of why I hate people, /pfg/

>>51771872
Are female hyena kitsune all futa?

>>51772124

BARBED

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>>51772124
Why are futafags the absolute worst?

>>51772016
I wish I could tickle and play with hyenas.

>>51772008
Would depend on the group desu.

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>>51772147
Because of their constant and endless insistence that they are totally not gay.

>my favorite part of a girl is her 18 inch dong and basketball testicles, dripping with semen. No homo.

>>51772179

That's a really cute girl!

>>51772008

I'd rather talk about something that isn't degenerate, like the cool parts of Taldor and how they might fit into an application for Taldor Ascendant.

So what are some decent feats to take with Advanced Weapon Training's Weapon Specialist? I thought it'd be an easy way to get Greater Weapon Focus/Specialization, but that'd mean I'd also have to wait a level later to get those, right?

>>51772156
>Anon asks about horse breeds
>Some fag called me a breeder once
>California
>LIBFAGS REEEEEEE

>>51772206
Do you mean feats, or the abilities in the AWT stuff?

>>51771872
>Tanuki

Oh shit

>>51772150

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>>51772207

>>51772221
Feats. AWT's Weapon Specialist lets you take feats equal to your bonus.

>>51772179
>18 inch
Fuckin' weak.

>>51772266

>more educated
>better informed

>can't even recognize the discussion is over

10/10 reading comprehension, Jamal.

>>51772205
>girl
Anon, I...

>>51772262
I want one but at the same time domesticating these things would ruin them.

>>51772008
When the people at the table now know what everyone's private fetishes are due to game or conversation that comes out of game, it's too lewd. And it's too late to unsay the things about yourself. And the sadist player will start giving you "do you consent" hand signals every time they start viciously bullying your NPCs, believing you might be getting off on it, which in turn makes it look like she might be getting off to it, when what's actually taking place is standard NPC persuasion tactics for a character with Intimidate as their most invested skill.

>>51772321

That's... Not a girl?

>>51772329
Jesus Christ

>>51772354

This is truly the curse of traps.

>>51772357

But it looks like one of the girls from Working!

>>51772329
It sounds like you're talking from experience...

Anon-chan.... Do... Do you need someone to talk to?

>>51772008
When one of the requirements for joining the game is to fill out an f-list profile and have at least two matching kinks with the other players.

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>>51772379
and it is.

>>51771872
I want to shitpost hard about this, but I have to leave in like, ten minutes to go to a funeral.

What I will say, tho:
>Motherfucking Lions nigga
>Tigers in charge of being alchemist bait
>How the fuck does bakeneko work, is that seriously a race trait instead of an ART?
>Aw shit son, tanuki are weeb as fuck but those stats look like gold

>>51772440
My condolences, anon. Go with God.

>>51772379

worst girl

>>51772427

worst working

>>51772456
>worst girl

But anon, short hair.

>>51772403
>at least two matching kinks
>from a list of 417
How would you /not/ have at least two matching kinks?

>>51772329
>when what's actually taking place is standard NPC persuasion tactics for a character with Intimidate as their most invested skill.
As if that's where the reading-too-much-into-this actually stops. It may be normal as a way to play that kind of character, but now you have to doubt WHY the player made that character. I think everyone's played with some autistic person who transparently makes fetish-fulfilling characters. You know that happens.

>>51772387
I need to talk less if anything.

>>51767456
I have companion to the lonely but what my character does is have an elderly masuse massage him. No where in the ability does it say it has to be sexual.

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>>51772528
>>51767456
C-can the lonely you're being a companion to be another PC?

>>51772063
>Last known post from anon before getting banned by a trigger-happy mod

>>51772498
By being completely fucking vanilla?

>>51772563

Yes, you can use Companion to the Lonely with another PC, and is in fact an excellent way for the high-charisma Bard to offer comfort to the martial.

>>51772574

What's wrong with vanilla?

Some of the best actual characters I've ever roleplayed with were lady knights, ranger girls or sorceresses whose kinkiest action was being a power bottom or wanting it shoved in places other than the "natural" way.

People who try to shove more than that often overdo it, and it shows.

>>51772574
There are at least two dozen f-list kinks that apply to "Heterosexual sex in the missionary position with the lights off for the sole purpose of procreation."

>>51772440
>>How the fuck does bakeneko work, is that seriously a race trait instead of an ART?

Bakeneko looks like a race trait that gives you a noncombat shapeshifting ability into a cat form. Not like catfolk had anything to trade for it.

Also we can now Adopted into it, hah

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>>51772563

Of course. In fact, it's at its best in a party with a high CHA teammate. Just come up with something that takes about an hour and feels nice.

>>51772574
That's still a kink, anon. Hell, even something as basic as "likes oral" or "finds short hair attractive" are kinks!

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>>51772638
Hmmmm.... I was about to say teeth brushing, but at best that should only take two minutes.

>>51772563
Of course; indeed, it's great for the Wizard or Barbarian in your party, who almost certainly has talents but needs those rerolls because their Will or CHA-based skills are terrible. Plus it just specifies "an hour of close time", which can include something as 'innocent' as an hour of dance, singing, weightlifting, gossiping about how kinky the Alchemist is, or any other sort of activity!

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>>51772456
Well, worst girl yes, though I do believe that's rather pointed out well enough in the series.

But it also had best girl (pic related) and even best milf.

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>>51772500
There is always a "deeper". You eventually arrive at "is this game actually a way for them to deal with a psych issue" level armchair analysis, in which case both it and the fetish might have a common cause instead of yeah fuck this

Bottom line is you usually can't know.

>>51772662
My Brute Vigilante and the Barbarian would do Zerk and lift for our hour.

>>51772670

Romantically clueless kuudere girls are the best.

So are spunky tomboys.

Honestly, the more I think about it the more I realize I just desperately want to be in a campaign where the characters actually have depth to their personality.

>>51772705
>Brute Vigilante

You poor sap.

>>51772714
I know Brute is bad, it fit the character which matters more.

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>Er Just posted in the wrong thread. Oh well.

Hey my DM wants to get me a special Item

but he's really drawing blanks when it comes to the mechanics of how something should work.

I'm playing an Occultist and the items he's given me is my new Transmutation Implement, my character has 'yet to discover' what it truly does (I.e He doesn't know yet). The DM is attempting to have it do something related to Arcane Magic.
I'm level 6, but that shouldn't matter as all Occultist stuff is suppose to level with you.

Any suggestions you can give to him pf/tg/?

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>You will never play a low-INT, high-STR and WIS heavy armor wearing Zimarian Corsair in Taldor Ascendant, with a supercharged swinging arm

What's the AP with the least combat?

>>51772783

Curse of the Crimson Throne.

>>51772760
Why not.

>>51772867

Because I'm making another character!

So how do you actually get mithril celestial plate? You just use mithril full plate as the base for celestial plate?

how difficult would a stolen spellbook be to decipher for a non caster with good intelligence
this is purely for flufwise backstory stuff

>>51773136
Most, if not all, spellbooks are written in such a way that deciphering it would be impossible unless you had Read Magic. You might be able to read the words, but they'd have no more power than, say, a sci-fi novel. You wouldn't be able to actually UNDERSTAND anything, so it wouldn't be like a textbook or a recipe or anything legible.

>>51773136
Depends on how many skill points he had in Spellcraft or Knowledge (Arcana), honestly.

>>51773177
I ask because I'm trying to come up with a rogue magus gestalt's backstory the first thought in my head was, stole someone else's spellbook found out he had a knack for it
back to the drawing board I guess

>>51773136
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/#TOC-Arcane-Magical-Writings
So... unless he has training in spellcraft, impossible, since spellcraft checks are trained only.

>>51773305
Are there any traits that make Spellcraft a class skill?

>>51773278
Oh, Rogue/Magus? Well that IS a caster, it makes perfect sense that you would have stolen a book, realized you didn't understand what was in it but wanted to know, and so you learned magic properly and could finally read the book.

I have a question about how to approach religion and Gods in the world I'm making.

The main religion consists of several deities, it is the most common religion and practiced by 70-80% of the population.

However there is an evil deity, who is worshiped by a small cult who is at war with the main religious organisation.

I want the plot twist to be that the evil deity is the true and only God whilst the others aren't truly divine.

The problem is that I still want the "fake" deities to still give divine powers and such to Clerics etc. but at the same time they are not really divine.

How do I deal with this? Is it possible or should I just settle for "they are divine but lesser"?

>>51773324
You don't need something to be class skill to put ranks into it.

Reminder to fix your goddamn Raunchy sheets.

>>51773375
My Raunchy sheets or my raunchy sheets

>>51773334
Mythic characters can grant domains and spells.

>>51773334
There's nothing that says that your setting can't work the way you want it to work.

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>>51773334
Almost sounds like you're trying to pull a Tribunal Temple type shindig there.

Maybe have something like, by siphoning power off the real god, the fake gods were able to manifest divine like powers and abilities. Remember, Vivic DID stop the rock that fell from the heavens, and he programmed it so that if the people of Vivic City ever stopped loving him, it would fall on the city with the same velocity it had before he stopped it.

>>51773334
Powerful outsidesr(such as a demon lords) can grant spells without being divine as such(although the difference between a demon lord/archdevil/empyreal lord and god is kind of vague). If you want actual, mechanical reason, then mythic characters can grant spells as well.

>>51773334
Razmir isn't even mythic and he actually hands out domains because he's a level 20 Wizard. Why does this wizard hand out domains? Who knows but it's in the lore.

>>51773470
>level 20
kek
Razmir is level 19.

>>51773505
Close enough. What's a 1 between friends?

>>51773520
fri1ends?

>>51773327
excellent
I guess I said it a bit wrong specifying non-caster meant not a caster yet
street rat pilfers inept small time wizard's spell book learns how to use it and his blade in tandem dreams of being a bigshot sees his oppurtunity then campaign

>>51773520
I-is it a penis?

>>51773520
When that difference is between 19 and 20? It's the difference between having the Immortality Arcane Discovery... And being Razmir.

>>51773583
Wasting a feat?
Pretty sure orchid elixirs make the whole investing in immortality shit as inefficient as preparing bulls str every day when you can afford a belt of strength.

How do we fix Combat Expertise?

Cause right now, no one takes Combat Expertise to use it, they take it to gain access to better feats.

>>51773334
>How do I deal with this? Is it possible or should I just settle for "they are divine but lesser"?
Mythic beings with enough ranks can power clerics. So make them mythic characters. They'll be demigods.

In golarion demigods outnumber actual gods by a huge margin. Empyreal Lords, Daemon Harbingers, Archdevils, Demon Lords, Ascendant, and many more. Gods make up a small minority of those who give clerics power.

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>Avowed know 6 shapes at level 8

Okay, so does this mean if I automatically get Aether Rounds as part of my Pact, I only need to "put" 3 "ranks" into that Shape to max it out, or do I still need to use 4?