/CofD/ &/wodg/ Chronicles of Darkness and World of Darkness

>>51765617

It's an inescapable pit of despair and misery.

>>51765617
>How is your home like the World of Darkness?
There are a lot of drugs.

What situations do you have your players roll Wisdom degenration?

>>51765617
An Island in the middle of nowhere. My mentor's Sanctum.

>>51765617
>How is your home like the World of Darkness?

I prefer it where Swedish Dracula impersonators are burned at the stake.

>>51765676
When they burn en entire building of sleepwalkers into a grease spot on the concrete.

Reposting from last thread since I'm still annoyed.


What is it about Mage that brings out casual sadism in the most 'moral' normal players?

They fucking burned an entire building of unwitting Seer lackeys. Actually the building is fine all the people were burned to death. Jesus fuck, I have to rewrite some of my campaign now.

>>51765617

My latest WoD was a young Silver Fang Ahroun from America from some disaffected kinfolk, so he ate a lot of crap from his Tribe elders and was basically sent on a suicide mission to Europe. The game ended prematurely but in short he never established a Sept or Caern of his own and preferred to keep travelling with his Ragabash Shadowlord companion, who made it her job to keep him alive and out of trouble.

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>>51765747

Forgot my picture.

Playing high Wisdom Mage is a challenge. I always have increase wisdom as an obsession from the very start.

>>51765771
Don't be a pussy drop down to 4 as soon as you can and start water-boarding sleepers.

>>51765742
>>51765610
>This is what mage is all about and you should be ecstatic that your players are happily tumbling down rabbit hole. Just remember to always ask the question 'and then what?' from yourself, your players and the game. Try not beat them over the head with stupid bullshit or cockblock their magic, just remember to follow up on the normal consequences of their antics.

>>51765755

Forgot to mention how much I hate you

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>>51765902

How can you hate what you do not know, anon?

Humbly requesting:

-Tales of the Dark Eras
-Night Horrors: Conquering Heroes
-Beast Ready Made Characters
-Cursed Necropolis: Rio

>>51765910
Miss werewolf, are you trying to seduce me?

>>51765676
When their lust for power surpasses their better judgment.

>>51765755
>>51765910

Those werewolves look like they would make excellent rugs to go with my vampire furniture.

#MagesDontKnowRightFromWrong

What are the benefits of high Wisdom?

What is like being the worst /tg/ has to offer, /wodg/? How do you live with yourself? How do you sleep at night?

>>51766081
>How do you sleep at night?
Very poorly. I have to wear this mask that's supposed to keep my windpipe open so I can breathe. its terrible.

>>51766065
You can contain Paradox easier, and released Paradoxes last a small amount of time (one Scene).

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>>51766065
>What are the benefits of high Wisdom?

Nothing.

Burn it down. Burn it ALL down!

Whats the diference of Wisom 9 and 10?

>>51766134
About 2 Arcane Experiences.

How does OPP feel that right wing conservatives play and like their games?

>>51766081
>How do you sleep at night?

I sleep the sleep of the just and righteous. I sleep with the angels.

#ObrimosSupremacy

>>51765742
>What is it about being supremely powerful that makes morality fly out the window
hmmmm

>>51766143
Hopefull that they'll actually buy the books rather than pirate them based on their rough appreciation of capitalist principles?

>>51766109

Are all mages like this?

>>51766143
About the same way Kate Upton feels about hundreds of men masturbating to pictures of her naked.

>>51766171
Are mage, werewolf, vampire pdfs in the archive updated with latest version from drivethru?

>>51766178
Turned on?

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>>51765991

Not at all, you filthy slag.

>>51766178
>About the same way Kate Upton feels about hundreds of men masturbating to pictures of her naked.

#KateUptonSupremacy

>>51766283

Go fuck yourself, you damn dirty dog.

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>>51766327

Why would I do that, when I can fuck YOU!

>>51766337

Just a reminder,

You're not scary or sexy if you have fleas.

#LieDownWithDogsWakeWithFleas

>>51765617
It's a cluttered mess

>>51766081
>What is like being the worst /tg/ has to offer, /wodg/?

Ha, nothing surpasses the 40k and /or PF fanbases.

>>51766390

I'm not sure that the PF threads are worse, given that they can actually discuss their settings when prompted or offer 'sound' mechanical advice, and the 40k threads are similarly useful when prompted at least most of the time.

Plus they don't get bent out of shape about pdfs because they aren't trying to fanboy and dick ride any writers like you fags do.

>>51766437
>they can actually discuss their settings
"whch waifu wud u fugg" is not setting discussion

>offer 'sound' mechanical advice
"DUDE DSP LMAO" is not good mechanical advice

>40k threads are similarly useful
Yes, 10+ year old memes are really helpful BLAM'D HERESY NO ARMS ANGRY MARINES KAYOSS METAL BAWKSES XD

>>51766504

>mad that DSP and PoW is good fun

>too retarded to do vanilla PF/3.5 builds when there has been over a decade and a half of knowledge and guides to pull from

>never actually been in the 40k general anymore

People are busy memeing about Abaddon and Primarchs you tool, get with the times.

>>51766504

I would still take all of that over mage shitposting.

>>51766618

Wait until A Thousand Year of Night or Changeling 2e is released.

You'll be begging for the Mage shitposting.

>mage supremacy

>>51766653

But I like Changeling ....

I'm more worried about the crossover rules.

>>51766667

I also like Changelings

As lawn chairs

>>51766612
>mad that DSP and PoW is good fun
They're PF garbage, so they are by definition not fun.

> PF/3.5 builds
If I wanted arithmetic porn I'd play GURPS.

>>51766683

>'PF math is too complicated for me'

Do you LITERALLY have a disability or something? Honest question.

>>51766667

The Crossover Chronicles are a LONG way off.

Changeling 2e, Geist 2e, Dark Eras II and Deviant are scheduled first, and OPP is not exactly rushing releases.

>>51766692

#MathSupremacy

Does DaveB post here any more?

>>51766692
>unironically shilling Pathfinder

Do (You) LITERALLY have autism or something? Honest question.

>>51766740

Pathfinder is bad, don't get me wrong, but if that level of math is too much for you I don't know how you even play most TTRPGs.

Maybe Nobilis or AWorld are more your speed?

I'm not sure I understand something about these Preludes 'games'.
Right-leaning people are triggered by the fact there's a trans character that kills trump supporters, and that the 'good path' in Mage is hellping refugees.
Left-leaning people are triggered by the fact that the author of the Vampire game is known from rpg.net and SA for being an asshole with a mob at his disposition for doxxing people.

Do I get it right ?

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>>51766781
You are forgetting people like me. I'm triggered by the fact that I don't have money to play it but yeah, you're right.

Can somebody share Reap the Whirlwind Revised?
Since the New Orleans is no longer valid, this is our only official chonicle.

>mage shitposters last thread
>PF shitposters this thread

hmn really makes you think huh

>>51766093
>>51766109
Reason #678 as to why I prefer Ascension: Paradox doesn't give a shit how smart you are.

Friendly Neighborhood Mekhet here. Our encounter with "Scorch" is over. The whole place burned down partly our fault. I obfuscated out of there. Gangrel turned into a bat to escape. Nosferatu was able to make good on his Nightmare which caused the girl to set everything on fire including the corpses of the children. No more evidence. Got out with 1-2 aggravated damage. The next night a man knocked at our apartment apologized for his "daughter's" behavior. He gave a bobble of fresh blood that doesn't seem to coagulate, retaining the vitae inside as a peace offering. He also gave us another lead on the child killer. So we drank the magical blood to replenish our vitae. As our undead bodies processed the blood, we all had a vision of Scorch. She apologized for her attack and said that she went behind her mentor's back to purse this case. Apparently, her mentors care little for the a serial killer but her friend was a victim years ago so this is personal. Now she's "grounded" so she hopes we can help her with the case. In the vision she looked awfully pale, making realize that the blood we were drinking was hers.

>>51766781
>the 'good path' in Mage is helping refugees.
I give absolutely zero fucks about politics one way or the other, but what the fuck is this about helping sleepers and this being the 'right thing to do'. A sleeper's a fucking sleeper and the less of them there are, the fucking better. And that goes for all versions of Mage as far as I can tell.

>>51766842
There no such thing as conensus reality in Awakening.

>>51766176
Not the high Wisdom ones. But they are rare

>>51766871
Check this Nephandi

>>51766842
>Paradox

Still doesn't prevent oWoD magefags from wanking their penises of power.

>>51766893
I'm sorry. You seem to think that this is anything other than a mechanical consideration.

>>51766923
If you knew what you were doing, you could be fucking deadly in Ascension.

>>51766915

>NOT being a Nephandi

Its like you don't even want to end all existence!

How paradox works in Awakening now completely disconnected from covert and vulgar and has all to do with control an discipline. Its still uo the Mage the screw himself over. This time its a concious choice to invoke paradox or not. It Paradox happens its because you let it happen.

>>51766915
Proud Mystagogue, actually. I take offense to being associated with self-deluded cosplayers waving props around. That goes for all Ascension mages and not just Nephandi by the way.

>>51766982

>mysterium supremacy

All you magefags make me want to vomit

>>51766781
I just looked it up, they managed to trigger so much people it's brillant.

>>51766781
Zak S and his groupies are all heavily leftist, also. It's just that the (even more?) leftist people who are mad at him - rightly or wrongly or a mix of both - want to try and match him onto actually being some kind of conservative because in places like SA and RPG.net, harasser = conservative = bad, so if Zak harassed someone he's probably Donald Trump Jr.

It's pretty funny seeing Dave Hill say how he'll never work with Onyx again and so on because of Zak S's involvement and oh man he's such a bad boy harasser when Hill's an anarchist whose own ideology requires bodies covering the streets and which explicitly endorses political violence. Please do fuck off, buddy.

>>51767188
Man, the cognitive dissonance of these people will never cease to amaze me.
Thanks for your explication anyway, that was the part I was missing.

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>>51767188

>Shilling for ZakS

This really is the worst general on /tg/.

>>51766866
So you guys have any lead on the killer?

>>51767323
Mysterious magic man gave us some leads. (possible places bodies can be)

>>51766969
Or because you're being witnessed by Sleepers.

>>51767345
But you don't have a suspect I take from it?

>>51767317
I'm a conservative, so I think Zak S is a degenerate, and when I looked at the harassment accusations when they were current, I remember thinking that some of them (but only some of them) were probably true. We'd probably be marginally better off if he left the hobby entirely tomorrow.

But it's just that the opposition he's got in this case compels me to take his side, because they're such complete filth. It's difficult to think of anyone I wouldn't end up reflexively on the side of against the anarchist and communist loons within RPG.net and the like. If you're gonna talk about how a guy who maybe sent threatening messages on social media or whatever is villainous while fully endorsing violent revolution and palling around with paedophiles, I'm not going to end up on your side, yeah?

This shitty general needs more memes

>>51767356
Nope not yet.

>>51766087

Why don't you just jam a tube down your throat and keep it there 24/7?

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>>51767434
This shitty general is one big meme, anon. Mage is a meme.

>mage supremacy

>>51766871

Of course the 'good guys' would help refugees if the writers are leftist, because real in-universe motivations are not as important as your own personal political leanings (and leftists are naturally less intelligent/mature, or they wouldn't be leftists).

>>51767469
You guys have access to blood sorcery? Or no such luck?

>>51767540
>blood sorcery

Peasant magics

>>51767501

That's it. Consensual reality? Exarchs?

Nah.

I want Paradox and the death of magic to be caused by memes.

The more 9gag and Reddit proliferate 'dank memes', the harder it keeps the awakened down.

>>51767015
The Mysterium are absolutely the best order in Awakening.

Wanna be Indiana Jones? go for it.
Librarian? fuck why not?
Globetrotting thief? sounds great!
Mad scientist? Be as mad as you fucking want

>>51767588
People seem to hype up mysterium a lot. I prefer Guardians myself

>>51767602
As long as you arent Free Council you're pretty good honestly.

>>51767606
Free Council does seem like a Carthian Movement of Mage.

>>51767540
No, nothing that big. We are just friendly neighborhood vampires who their best not to eat everyone.

>>51767622

>who their best not to eat everyone.

pansy faggot I hope some shovelheads rape you to death

>#TheSabbatWasRight

>>51767616
Nah they are pretty diverse in terms of cultures and beliefs. You get atheists and religuous. Communists and Capitalists. Republicans and Democrats Literally if it is related to human cultural beliefs its Free Council

>>51767588
>Globetrotting thief?
I will admit I am enamored with this character type.

>>51767633
So it's similar. In CM you get commies and fascists, anti obstructionists and vampiric atheists(mention of those always brings idea of vampiric Agent Scully from X-Files to mind) and so on.

Generally both CM and FC seem like a sort of kitchen sink that you toss everything that doesn't fit other covenants/orders

>>51767681
I kind of want to play a game of mage about a Cabal of Reclaimants that go around the world stealing magical artifacts and knowledge. Would be fun plotting magical heists.

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I want to play a Princess. Would anyone consider it?
http://princesswod.wikia.com/wiki/Princess:_The_Hopeful_Wiki

>>51767622
Well blood magic does not involve bathing in blood of the virgins most of the time. Using body remains of the victim to find her killer is easy enough and does not require any form of dog kicking

>>51765951
Last one's not out yet. Soonish

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>>51767819
That sounds gay. Let's play Highlander instead.
http://vampirerpg.free.fr/Rules/Highlander/

>>51767371

>the opposition he's got in this case compels me to take his side

Zak's a Anarchist too. Even besides that, this isn't some principled stand against extreme leftism, this whole thing started because he couldn't handle Hill's opinions over Star Wars.

The man can write some decent material, but as a person he still sucks and far too many of his fans are either his sock puppets or completely unhinged lunatics, probably the former. Even if you don't like the other guy, I wouldn't get in his corner.

>>51768013

It's actually out to Kickstarter backers at the moment. The biggest surprise to me is that Bill Bridges is a writer on it. Seeing a White Wolf book with his name on it in 2017 is pretty neat.

I recently joined an ongoing VtM game. Other PCs:
>Powerful and old Samedi that runs the gangs of a Haiti Ghetto under the guise of some voodoo prophet, and have some fucking scary Nurgle-like discipline to rot people down in moments. Also a right hand vamp of a Prince's right-hand vamp.
>(Un)Living-blender bitchy Gangrel headhunter chik with enough fighting power to rip apart a Werewolf, and a body trail long enough to fill a small cemetery, also Sheriff's favorite childe.
>Me, a noname young Tremere Noir Detective with no fighting power, no connections (save my clan), almost no trademark Tremere Majick, just a lot of investigative and spy shit. Scared out of my unlife for having to work with these monsters that can end me in a heartbeat, more so because I'm secretly spying on them on behalf of my Clan.
We're all apparently working for the Scourge, though I haven't been told the exact details beside "go there and help them"
Have no idea what the plot is - the first night is me trying to unfuck the massive Masquerade breach those two made when fighting a hunter and then eating a Police patrol that came looking for the sounds of gunfire (bonus points for doing it in Anarch domain, which pisses them off). Manage to spread a bunch of false rumors through the streets to quench the spread of true rumors of some crazy bitch riping a heart of a police officer and beating the second one to death with a severed leg of the third, then i go trhriugh the Hunter gear cna corpse they get and fund out the Hunter was almost certainly from the Inquisition.
Second night right after me filling a report to my Tremere KGB-curator i pick up a phone call from a Gangrell bitch. Apparently she went berserk and made a second bloodbath in public and now on the run with cops on her ass running for Haiti Ghetto. Take my car and go to pick her up. Cops get to her first, bust her minivan, kill her ghoul driver and wound her ghoul dog, she goes berserk and rips 3 more cops apart.

>>51768133
Your team looks like a pleasent bunch

>>51768133
I sneak clother to pick her up immediatelly after she regains sense, all thw while listening to police radio and growing pale(r) as they first tsend all patrols than the SWAT to the site. Despite my epic sneak if fumble three ones, frenzying Gangrell bitch finds me and starts to chase me. Bust her knee with my revolver which barely slows her down, then set her head on fire with a clever application of a whisky bottle and my level 1 flame spell. She does not give a fuck and tries to rip me apart and drink me dry all the while burning and taking no damage because of her Endurance. After we extremely lucky dodges I'm still unharmed, she regains her sanity, realize she's on fire, panics and start running in circles waving her hands and screaming, still no damage. Luckily my car is close, I use my extinguisher and she calms down. Cops are 1 minute away. Some good rolls on driving and streetwise and I drive out without taking any heat from the cops, though seats of my car are now thoroughly fucked, covered in blood and guts she was covered after ripping apart those poor cops.
Samedi calls in, asking what the fuck with cops swarming all over his domain. Apparently I'm the one to blame too, and I roll with it because well, it Is his domain after all. He tasks me with exocrizing a ghost from an abandoned house in his neighborhood because "of course you can, you're fucking Tremere". He gfoes to deal with a cop problem and send his Bokor-Ghoul to look after me.

I bullshit a "commune with spirits" ritual in front of a Bokor and contact my Sire to rattle on Gangrel bitch's Masquerade breach and redpil me on "Gosts 101". Then bullshit sactify the haunted house, and tell the Bokor to quarantine it for a week. He insists I exorcice the place right now OR ELSE, and I like "or eelse what?" and he casts some voodoo majick and my face rots away.

>>51768289
Fucking jackpot! My secret goal all along was to infiltrate a Samedi domain and find out about "misterious magik user" operating there, and a secondary goal was to gather as much dirt on my teammmates as possible - and I was wearing a bug and making pictures with my covert camera all this time. Now my Clan have losts of political leverage, I get a promotion in the Pyramide for my efforts, and two othetr players are on the brink of being Blood Hunted and already making backup characters.

>>51768327
And that ladies and jentlement is how you betray your party.

>mage supremacy

>>51768438
>>mage supremacy
How do you even play Mage? I read the rulebook and the mechanics are completely fucked up even by WW standards.

>>51768473

I assume you're referring to Ascension.

>>51768505
Sure. Noone I know don't even want to hear about new WoD

>>51768473
You go around playing dress-up and cosplay while waving various props around and furiously ignoring the purple-paradigm-shaped elephant in the room. Seems simple enough fluff-wise, at least.

>>51767529
poor effort m8

>>51768473

Mage is the best. Of course it's fucked up.

>>51768661
>Mage is the best. Of course it's fucked up.
Well, apparently I'm spoiled by FFG and their well organized rulebooks.

Everyone is inferior to Mages

This is a fucking FACT

>>51765617
>How is your home like the World of Darkness?

Its an overpriced barely functional mess.

>>51768797
>Everyone is inferior to Mages
>This is a fucking FACT
So? Just because they're powerful does not mean it interesting to play them. If anything it takes from the thrill, especially compared so some low-power lines like Vampire or Hunter

In Chrod, if i used all the "elements" of Clue then the clue dissapears/cant be used for automatically solve the mystery.

Wooh boy, we just had a hell of a session.

>Be a mortal psychic among a group of three mages and two Changelings
>Discover a priest is part of a local Long Night cell, possibly in charge
>We make up a plan to kidnap by having a Mage use Ghost Gate on both himself and the priest, then knocking the priest out in Twilight before exiting Twilight and putting the priest in our car
>Me, one Mage, and a Changeling go
>I opt to stay in the car
>The kidnapping is in the middle of the streets in broad daylight so...we decide we need a distraction
>The Mage makes several Ghosts Manifest...in broad daylight. In public.
>People start screaming as the Ghosts freely fuck around and attack people.
>Mage and Changeling enter Twilight, then Ghost Gate the priest as well
>They fail to both intimidate him and knock him out before exiting Twilight
>It should be noted that when exiting Twilight via Ghost Gate, all non-living objects remain in their ephemeral state
>So, nine onlookers see three naked men materialize out of fucking nowhere
>Mage somehow contains all the Paradox or something
>Naked priest starts screaming about being kidnapped and tries to run away
>Changeling uses some very, very good rolls and a bunch of Glamour to semi-convince onlookers it's all a movie, at least for a short time
>Meanwhile I take out my tazer and discharge into the nude man of the frock, hitting him in the groin
>As he's convulsing, the (nude) Mage and Changeling tie him up and toss him into the trunk
>We get into the car and speed the fuck off.

W e w.

>>51769297
Disbelief will take care of most of that..hopefully...maybe.

>>51765742
That's kind of the whole point anon. The main theme of the game is how vast power can corrupt people.

Just make up some consequences when you rewrite.

>>51769376
One bystander still managed to record a video of two naked men tying up a convulsing priest and tossing him into a car trunk.
Plus another recorded a video of the panic (ghosts aren't visible in the video, but it's clear something bizarre is happening) but who cares about that one?

Thankfully they missed our license plate and they didn't get a clear image of our faces. Currently one of the Mages is thinking we should actually spread the videos everywhere and claim it's part of a viral advertising campaign for a movie...yeah.

>>51769376
>>51769461
>Disbelief will take care of most of that.

Due to the Quiescence, people with rationalize away or totally forget anything related to supernal magic, including anything they see on video.

The changeling may screw that up.

In any event, who the hell came up with a ridiculous plan to kidnap someone during the day in public, no less in a group comprised of people besides mages?

>>51769535
>what could possibly go wrong?

>>51769535
>>51769297
Should have brought a werewolf

>>51765617

Quick question: In Mage the Ascension, how do you take on an Avatar Form? You know, like Voormas - He transforms into Kali the Destroyer.

It sounds like a VERY useful trick for a Mage to know.

>>51768133
Degeneration Rolls. Degeneration Rolls everywhere.

>>51769650
The Rote for that is in one of the Euthanatos read books.

>>51769461
Are your Mages going to get in trouble?

Summoning ghosts and opening twilight gates in public sounds like an infraction against the Lex Magica.

>>51768797
Except for the lodge of the cage.

>>51769778

>Tonight on Wizard Cops
>Guardians of the Veil are following naked suspects through Twilight
>Also tonight Adamantite Arrow McReedy is in trouble for crashing DeLorean belonging to prince San Antonio during the chase after Timori

>>51769717
*Read books. Fucking autocorrect

>>51767354
Yeah yeah, sleepers are no big deal if you have Prime 4. Temporary Sleepwalkers, you can cast magic in front of them, no problem.
Only limiter is Wisdom.

>>51767588
You can also be a literal Nazi, and it all fits!

FUCK SLEEPERS! They are ruining my magic!

>>51770165
Into the camps they go.

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>>51766369
sounds like a personal problem to me, especially when you're the one letting someone GNAW your untended BONE

>>51767685
Which is actually intentional in the case of the Free Council, since it's in large parts built up from the minor cults and orders that didn't fit in the big ones.
That is the reason they are, by far, the biggest order.

Wow. So White Wolf posted about hiring Zak S and basically said they are 2edgy4u and they totally found he did nothing bad or wrong at all. They magically did this without asking any of the people involved, because obviously everything they needed to see was up on the interwebs clear as day.

Jesus fucking Christ. Onyx Path can be a chaotic mess and have all the schedule discipline of a child but they look like saints in comparison. White Wolf are being unprofessional as hell over this.

>>51770185
I'm kinda surpraised they are able to present an unified front at all thou

>>51770245
They do it by clever application of us-vs-them.
They are at war with the Seers. Unite or die.

The Seers care more about the Diamond, and internal power struggles, but, the FC cares more about the Seers.

>>51770230

Got a link to the statement?

It's not that I don't believe you, White Wolf's first book release was a book edited by a known child molester after all, I'm just still fathoming White Wolf's ability to piss off people in their own fanbase.

It probably helps that Zak has good PR, so it wouldn't be surprising if he was able to wrap Dracula around his finger.

>>51770230
What's the story on this guy?

>>51770394
Author/Internet Hater-brigadeer

>>51770345
https://blog.white-wolf.com/2017/02/17/a-howl-for-our-bloody-writer-artists/

>>51765617
I'm adding A/B/O dynamics to my werewolf chronicle. Any advice how this would affect their society?

>>51770483
>https://blog.white-wolf.com/2017/02/17/a-howl-for-our-bloody-writer-artists/

Sarah is a qt.

>>51770483

Ha ha ha, wow. I knew it, Zak's charisma won him the day again. Him writing 5e confirmed at this point. Good lord, White Wolf.

>>51770394

Artist and porn star, can't handle it when people have different opinions than him, and therefore self googles and tries to pick fights through fans and sockpuppets, giving him just enough breathing room to deny everything he does.

People really love hiring him, especially if they like the idea of their work being "edgy", and since he can deny and delete everything if necessary, he still gets work.

>>51770577
What did he write?

>>51770394
People hate him because he's awesome

>>51770600

Vornheim and Red and Pleasant Land are probably his best known stuff, he won an Ennie last year for the latter, though there was some controversy because there were more votes for it than its entire amount of sales at the time, though I personally don't see that as a huge deal.

It's really weird that he would sign on for an oWoD project, and it's double weird that White Wolf wouldn't at least consider that there'd be a possibility of him and Hill being in the same room since Hill's a White Wolf/OPP vet, and that there might be some bad blood between the two. Hill almost certainly would be working on OPP's 5e material, too, since he was the line head of that he Dark Ages: Vampire revival so he has experience.

>>51770345
Wait, who's a fucking child molester?

>>51770718
Your mom

>>51770718

Edward E. Kramer was an early White Wolf editor responsible for early fiction anthologies. Got some big names for them too, and he was a Dragon Con founder.

He is also guilty of three counts of child molestation. He got caught with a kid while serving pre-jail house arrest. He allegedly attempted to delay his trial for so long that it is the longest delayed trial in Georgia history. The SF/F community was pretty torn up and divided about it, and his name became mud.

Dracula decided that republishing Dark Destiny, which he worked on, was a great idea. This republishing is also where we get that "bleeding junk" passage from. Of course, Dracula probably doesn't know about drama in the US SF/F community from the 90s and 2000s, and just figured it'd be a good idea to republish the anthology with Harlon Ellison in it and also declare every story in the book canon.

It's not an apocalypticly bad decision, but it sure doesn't look good to anyone in the know.

>>51770394
People like calling him a harasser, but they never provide proof. I will concede that he can be an asshole though. His OSR books are good.

>>51766695
Hopefully Geist 2e lead to Geist being talked about more (in a good way instead of a monkey's paw everyone hates it way). I think it's the least talked about Splat along with Mummy.

Suppose Onyx manages to lose the WoD license due to drama. Who would you like to see as their replacement?

>>51770872
Zak S

>>51770872
There won't be a replacement. It'll just be white wolf working in their new wod as they planned. Whatever scraps need to be done on a tabletop game, then most of the attention given to larp and their 'multimedia' plans.

They're going to functionally kill wod as a tabletop game as they'll just give it the bare minimum.

>>51770872

Should OPP cut ties with White Wolf, White Wolf will probably just move everything in house, since CofD isn't their priority. White Wolf, since they've already got a working relationship with Asmodee Digital for the Preludes, may attempt to license tabletop material out to Fantasy Flight Games.

If FFG doesn't work out, it'll probably go to a Swedish game studio, or Dracula will get Paradox to straight up buy Helgast so he can just revive Target Games, the tabletop company that formed the basis of Paradox. That way he also gets the rights to KULT and all his favorite games are in one place.

The real issue is that if the WoD license goes, so will the Exalted one, too. I could not imagine how the suffering of an Exalted fan would increase should 3e be killed before it even got fully shipped.

>>51771001
I thought Exalted 3 shipped already

>>51771044

Oh, well, at least there's that. I didn't in on that KS so I don't keep up with Exalted news other than fans seem to be full of suffering.

>>51766326
You. I like you.

>>51766671
Newb question, what's with the lawn chair imagery on this forum?

>>51771001

Or, WW/Paradox could keep the IP in-house, but mostly use the same stable of freelancers currently employed by OPP.

If that happened, except for some editorial changes on the fringes, particularly for CofD, very little might actually change.

Without Rich Thomas and his Phil Brucato fetish, a new creative director and editor might actually demonstrably improve the quality of both future oWOD and CofD books.

>>51769870
fuckin wizard cops

>>51771223
>You. I like you.

Kate Upon, Exarch of Boobs.

>>51771283
>fuckin wizard cops

#SleeperLivesMatter

>>51771165
We are full of Spite, not suffering. Small, but important, difference.

>>51771245
It's an old meme from the usenet days. Probably older than me or you. Since Vampires and the undead fell under the sphere of matter it was theoretically possible to transform one into another inert object like a lawn chair trivializing any encounter.

This was spurred by the rivalry of Mage and Vampire players which were the two most popular game lines.

>>51771303

#NotAllSleepers

>>51771268

If it went in house, they would not work on CofD material. They would barely work on any tabletop material and all. Tabletop RPGs are not White Wolf's priority.

>a new creative director

Martin Ericcson, who would hire Brucato anyways. He's still the man who has final approval over everything OPP publishes, approved M20, and he wants to surround himself in names that give him and new White Wolf historical legitimacy. If Brucato is suddenly a free agent, the man would snap him up in a heartbeat, since he can't snap up one of the Wiecks, since they worked on Mage 1e and would most likely be his real desire.

The quality will not improve because either there will be few to little books, or Dracula continues to go for name power, regardless of anything else.

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>>51770483

>this absolute degenerate look

Where in the hell does this guy live and not get beaten the shit out of the moment he steps outside his safe spaces?

>>51771394

#WieckSupremacy

>>51765617
>How is your home like the World of Darkness?
No one in it get along and each one is too busy with shoring up their delusion of superiority.

>>51765676
When their magic causes consequences that they were not prepared for, including paradox but mostly focusing on things like "how far a fire will spread" or "if I modify this person's head to be healthy will they be able to get a job fast enough to support themselves when welfare stops paying them?"

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>>51770230
>>51770483
>Sarah Horrocks is an artist, writer, cartoonist and critic currently residing in Oklahoma.

Critic of what? What is that trying to convey?

>The RPGnet thread exploded from 3 pages to 10

https://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?798469-World-of-Darkness-Preludes-Masquerade-and-Ascension/

>>51766982
Mysterium please go

Signed,
Silver Ladder, Adamantine Arrow, Free Assembly of Councils and the Guardians of the Veil

>>51765617
Is there a way for an Assamite to not become darker with age? A merit in some splatbook or something? I think it's an absolute shit of a weakness, specially since medieval arabs actively looked down on blacks. I know it gets to unnatural black and not human black, but I still not buy it.

>>51771927
>Free Assembly of Councils

Council of Free Assemblies

>>51771939
>I want a weakness but I want it to not inconvenience me at all and also racism

>>51771939
Is there a way for an Malkavian to not be insane? A merit in some splatbook or something? I think it's an absolute shit of a weakness, specially since most cultures actively looked down on the mentally unstable. I know it gets to unnatural derangement and not human psychological problems, but I still not buy it.

>>51771893
>DaveB is accusing a known OSR author of being Zak sockpuppeting

lol

>>51772077
>>51772097
Except Malks (and others) have no aditional weakness, and being mad was not a quirk in their clan until "recent" editions decided to make it an additional weakness.

Also Malks were never in charge of anything that wasn't Rome (where certain derangements were identified as being in touch with divinities).

>>51772116
Given Zak was sockpuppeting and pretending to be ShannonA on reddit, it's not exactly a wild leap to get to him sockpuppeting as other people too.

>>51766871
>the good path
>choosing to aid reality deviants
sure thing, pal

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>>51772116
>>51772175

>>51772116

Zak or someone close to him pretended to be an RPGmod on Reddit to hype him up yesterday, I'm not surprised that someone took a shot in the dark at someone like that. I mean, it was still a bad call, but still. People make bad calls in emotionally charged shit like this.

Fact of the matter is, because of sockpuppeting and plausible deniability (you can't say they did it if some asshole friends and fans did it), Zak can't really be touched. The best anyone can seem to do is recognize his writing style like we do Aspel's, and that's never going to be enough to prove anything.

So look forward to more "I used to eat this ass and now it's dead and I'M SAD" style writing for VtM.

If Technocratic Union got into Awakening, half of them will just for Free Council, the other half go to the Seers.

>>51770689
>OPP's 5e
OPP isn't doing 5e in any capacity.
Hill left not because of running into them or being on any similar projects, but because they hired the guy at all. Why would swedracula know (or care) about drama happening at a licence holder he doesn't own or run?

>>51771471
America, probably

>>51771471
He lives in LA among an enclave of people just like him, and does not leave thanks to the magic of the internet.

>>51771471
>Yale graduate

>>51772397

OPP is going to do 5e material. The Monday Meeting blogs have mentioned this, though we do not know exactly how OPP will be involved or what kind of material it will be. As far as we know, that's still happening.

If this was simply a guy at Focus leaving the Werewolf project over something like this, I'd get what you're saying, but Ericcson is specifically close to Onyx Path to the point where he's swapping stories and drinks with Rich Thomas and helping deconstruct the GenCon booth. Onyx Path is also their only steady licensor at this point and time. Given that the Zak Sabbath controversy is easily googlable, and that it involves the experience of a prolific freelancer for your main current licensor, one would think that addressing the situation would require something with more tact and nuance than a "oh yeah it's all false" paragraph at the end of a PR article.

No matter what, it's a hornet's nest, and given that Ericcson knows Sabbath and regularly communicates with them on Facebook before the announcement of the Preludes, and talking about his "revolutionary heart", it possible that this is a hornet's nest that he intentionally stepped into. Let's hope that is not the case, because Hill leaving, no matter how you feel about him, means that we're probably getting even more delays as each of his contracts are killed and new contracts must be sought out.

What's the most Abyssal arcanum

>>51772898
Technically the Abyss is the 11th arcanum.

>>51772898

Abyss, the Arcanum.

In all seriousness, probably Prime? Didn't the 1e Scelesti legacy use Prime or was the Death?

>>51773089
They used Spirit, but there were also variants with Time, Life and Mind

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How can I build Roland of Gilead in MtAs?

I'm thinking at least 2 points in legend are needed (Sandalwood grip revolvers of Eld)

>>51773123
BUT WHICH ONE IS IT

>>51773123

Wow, I was completely wrong on all accounts. That's what I get for not checking my book first, thanks, Anon.

>>51773274
Yes.

>>51773161
I could probably tell how to do it in Awakening, but every time I try to read Ascension I cringe so hard my neck cricks.

>>51773503

So to learn the secrets of the Abyss you basically have to be a master in all the Arcanums, this gonna be a toughie

>>51770920
>>51771001
>>51771394
If the tabletop is cancelled, then it would be a good thing for the customers. It means new urban fantasy games could take the newly opened market share. We wouldn't have to worry about about the stupid edition wars that make this fandom so toxic. We'd get a bunch of retroclones that breath new life into the genre like OSR did for fantasy.

If no one's bought conquering heroes for the fuckin mega bin I'll bite the bullet and do it

>>51773524
What's the difference? (I've never played any white wolf games other than MtAs)

>>51773674
Awakening isn't 90's and its magic, mechanics, and setting are all much more streamlined than anything in Ascension.

I mean if you like Ascension then that's your totally valid opinion, but I can't stand it.

>>51773570
>breath new life into the genre like OSR did for fantasy.

I thought OSR is largely just fucking Gary Gygax's rotting corpse?

>>51773779
Then why throw in your completely superfluous comment, retard?

>>51773802
I don't know, why did you throw in your completely superfluous question?

>>51773779
I see, I've never read any others so I wouldn't know

The game is actually set in the 1940s, and I'm only asking because my current character will die on the next session

Alternatively, do you think it's possible to use quintessence and prime 2 to turn my skin to silver? Werewolves are gonna eat me

>>51773821
You started it.

>>51773570

You mean, like the new urban fantasy games now that exist...now? WoD/CofD is hardly choking back the existence of Urban Shadows, Dresden Files, After Sunset, Monsterhearts, or even OPP's own Scion. Part-Time Gods, too.

>>51773781

OSR has some great stuff in it. I really like Kevin Crawford's material, for example. There is new and interesting stuff being done with OSR, though that it "breathed new life" into fantasy seems strange to me. I don't know if "remembering that Weird Fiction existed" really counts as that, but for some it might.

>>51773917
Wow real mature.

So, I previously posted about running a campaign focusing on the negative ramifications of a relatively pacifist vampires vampire on the people around it. (Centred around the ruined life of a blood doll, whose present and future was ruined by what is essentially an abusive boyfriend made of heroin). Run essentially as a 1 on 1 campaign for one of my friends.

So the current plan (Or at least part 1, this got a bit long), with advice from you guys is this:

The player will start off hearing about a girl who has gone missing from a woman's shelter, and because she is such a frequent flier with numerous run ins with the law, shelters, and what else have you, the police aren't going to get involved.

The girl will have left a couple of possessions at the shelter, including a broken laptop and a purse with some make-up, some gum, and a library card (She took the rest with her, or it was stolen by other people in the shelter, I haven't decided).

If they check out the library they'll be able to convince the librarian to let them check out her information, by insinuating that they are a detective looking for her (I'll have the librarian reading Sherlock Holmes or something to give her a hint), or by sneaking past the librarian to access the computer, or by a variety of other means.
Either way, they'll find an address and a list of borrowed books which includes a list of crime novels and books on the occult, and if they go further back a lot of sociology textbooks, travel novels and "Learn X language" audioptapes and the like.
If they go to the address and knock on the door, they'll be greeted by an anxious brother who almost pulls the door from its hinges in his rush to see if his sister has come home.
If they break in I'll allow them to dick around for a bit before they're greeted by a very annoyed brother.
Either way he'll be holding a bat, and have a bunch of questions for the player.

https://mega.nz/#!6UECwCja!dSoWooJLdYrj4R9LK7LaijgwKM0m5I8GPFN_J4OTjwY

Here's your fuckin gamergate book

>>51774002
If WoD dies they'll be able to expand to the same degree. Right now they're really vague and non-specific. There's no shared campaign settings to talk about.

>>51774098
SJWs and Paradox are going to kill the games. Why are we still supporting them?

>>51774115
I wanted my heroes damnit

>>51774115
You sure its SJWs and not a butthurt commierage quitting OPP?

>>51774035
If they convince the brother they're here for the girl he'll be willing spill as much backstory on the girl as they want to hear basically (But not in the way of supernatural stuff).
The only definitely useful information he can provide is the name of her ex (The vampire), who the brother has nothing good to say about, according to him he's a creepy, manipulative little shit, and the bat was meant for him.

If they choose to check through the computer they'll find a browser history which is basically just a litany of attempts to stalk a list of girls, dead social media (With the only people who haven't blocked her being family members and old school buddies), a ton of fake accounts used for the stalking, attempts at poetry saved around her computer, a fuckton of photographs of her and some pale guy which are always just a little blurry.
If they investigate the messages she's got it's mostly from said brother who asks her to come home, that there's always a bed for her at his place, and that he'll be waiting at her place.
If they investigate her social media beyond that they'll see a progression from posts of her and class mates going out drinking to celebrate exams, posts from an active social life, pictures from a backpacking tour a while back, and then a decline in to what is basically vague posting about hurt feelings, lost jobs, posts about her TRUE friends, and finally lashing out at those same people and then a dead account.

They can choose to follow up on the brother, or they can try and track down some of the girls she was stalking.

That's as far as I've gotten apart from some scattered ideas about what's happened to the other girls and the identity of her ex.

Got any ideas for me, feedback or insults?

>>51774035
>>51774149
>starts by proposing a campaign were hunters are always wrong
>ends by creating a campaign where hunters are always right

What did he mean by this?

>>51774102

Will they? This all hinges on whether or not people really want Urban Fantasy or whether or not they just want WoD/CofD. A lot of its popularity seems to be mostly related to brand name at this point.

Don't get me wrong, a bunch of new UF/Horror settings would be cool, I just don't see how *of Darkness dying specifically helps that happen, especially since it's overall presence is quieter in recent years.

>>51774232
Anon, I believe you misunderstood my intention and first post.

My player's contention was that Hunters were by and large in the wrong because of their antagonist roles in other splats (Often hurting those she considered relatively innocent), and because of their connection to bigotry, xenopobia and general small mindedness and revenge.

I wanted to explore the damage that even a relatively "virtuous" vampire can do on a life (Her own character in a vampire game having a blood doll of her own, and having killed a hunter before). I want to explore "The other side" so to speak.

But you are right so far it seems like I'm letting Hunters be the unsung and unquestioned heroes.
Of course ideas of how to introduce elements of grey morality are welcome.

(So far I do have the idea that the brother will show up in a later campaign, having picked up the vigil in memory of his sister, and leaving his own trek of broken lives in the quest for vengeance)

>>51774399
>I'm letting Hunters be the unsung and unquestioned heroes.
That's a fact. You don't need to make monster hunters morally grey because that's what's hip now.

>>51774464
It's easier to seem righteous when you're tracking down one innocent girl and violence hasn't entered the equation yet.

But thanks for the feedback anon, I'll definitely keep it in mind.

>>51774115
it's the reason we are drawing it from a mega instead of buying it

>>51774399
>Her own character in a vampire game having a blood doll of her own, and having killed a hunter before
No shit, if she has a fucking blood doll she deserves to be hunted. Regularly bleeding a human can have really negative health effects on them, and those effects lead to more problems in general.

Not to mention the insane danger that comes from even having one foot in the world of just about any splat.

And on the subject of the Hunter, if she justifies killing them based on her prejudices, then she is a huge hypocrite.

>>51774709
Having that anon buy it means none of us have to, so its a necessary sacrifice

>>51774805
How are we gonna ridicule it if we don't know whats in there?

>>51769817
>Lodge of the Cage
>another anti-magic specced splat

Oh yeah, gee, I wonder how good that will work out for them? It's not like Mummies or Changelings did any good with their "fuck off mages" powers

>Mage Supremacy

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>>51774098
Your sacrifice might be in vain but its much appreciated. Though things like this is CofD book make me kinda sad when we could have nice neat metaphsyical world.
Guess I'll be waiting for the Incarnate rules to make the line useable as NPC splat at all.

>>51774782
Anon, that's part of what the point of this campaign is. Seeing things from the other side.

I don't need criticism of her as a person, I need ideas and feedback for the campaign.

>>51774399
If I were you then I would base things heavily around different perspectives. Like you have the brother who hates the vampire, that's good. Now you need to come up with ways to paint the vampire in a different light, a better one that shows that it isn't such a black and white situation. I doubt your player's Hunter will get many willing testimonies from the vampire's vampire friends, so maybe have a really monstrous vampire that had beef with the vampire, demanded his blood doll as compensation, the vamp refused, and he fought to defend the blood doll when the monster vamp attacked. The player could find this out through a confrontation with the monster vamp, possibly as the climax of an investigative angle.

This has the advantage of showing that there are vampires who deserve hunting, and that the vampire actually cared for the blood doll. Maybe have the monster vamp deliver that bit by sneering something like "But he couldn't just let his precious little meatsack go, the pussy".

Anyway, you don't have to do that exactly, but you should show different perspectives that aren't wholly right or wrong on their own, but are still perfectly understandable and valid.

>>51774854
The Lodge of the Cage isn't even compatible yet. Canon without mechanics.
Chris Allen gave a good rundown a few threads back on how he visions them working.

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>>51774098

>>51774901
How do Beasts even learn their history?

They have no organizations.

>>51768827
>Just because they're powerful does not mean it interesting to play them

How bold of you to predict just what other people enjoy out of tabletop gaming.

>>51775053
Its probably why none of them know anything and their cosmology is so weak.

>>51768827
Mages are basically just operating on a higher scale. Sure they have more power, but they also have more powerful antagonists, considering that they mostly tend to be other Mages or Abyssal horrors.

This means that for a Mage just starting out, you need to tread lightly so that you don't get Adepts and Masters and Abyssals trying to lay the smack down on your Disciple ass.

It's also supremely satisfying to use magic creatively and to finally get enough power to not be easily fucked with.

>>51774988
I was thinking of making one of the reasons the vampire abandoned her that he saw the damage he did to her.
Although I'm partial to him not really caring about the blood doll (The same way players often act towards herds).
I think it'll depend on how the player is viewing the vampire before she confronts him. (If she's sympathetic he doesn't care, if she's definitely hating him then we'll see)
Him showing affection towards the blood doll is definitely going to be a thing though.

Even if I don't use your idea exactly bringing in another perspective on the character is definitely a good idea.
Maybe he saved one of the other girls? (Like Heather in Bloodlines, or maybe a girl used to be a ghoul for a more evil vampire?)

And fighting more evil vampires is definitely a thing vampire protagonists do...

Thanks for your ideas.

>>51774854
I remember in 1e at least there was plenty of shit changelings could do that mages couldn't do shit against (Not having an appropriate mechanic actually written into the game) like dragging them into the hedge, or stealing their soul, and such stuff.

>>51775326
>dragging them into the hedge
Mages can force themselves in-and-out of the Hedge. Not sure about Arcadia.
>stealing their soul
Easier said than done. The Hedge only eviscerates the Soul, and may not even work on Mages as of 2E. The Seekers are also explicitly immune to anything hampering with their soul.

>>51775385
>Mages can force themselves in-and-out of the Hedge. Not sure about Arcadia.
In 1e they had to use doors and had no special talent to find them as the Hedge, Arcadia, and the Wyrd, were outside the Purview of the arcana because they didn't exist when the Arcana were written.

>>51775469
It's the exact opposite as of 2E, but this was to be expected.

>>51775292
I would say that having not really care about his blood dolls is fine, especially if you're looking to make a point to your player.

Like sure he saved that girl and she gives a glowing testimony of him and how well he treated her, but you show how messed up she is and you could insinuate that he only saved her because it would benefit him.

>>51766781
I cannot even get the game to work

>>51775202
Masters are terrifying to confront. Not sure if there's any way to reliably stand against one.

It only gets worse when you realize how much dice they can pull out of their asses.

Do the magefags have a trigger word?

>>51775518
The plan was always to have the girls talk positively about the vampire (Maybe one would realize it wasn't all great, but she'd still be suppressing the bad parts of it).

But the idea of insinuating that she doesn't even really get his motivations for keeping her around, or saving one, or something of the like, is definitely one I can use.

You guys are being super helpful today, I really appreciate it.

>>51775887
You're welcome.

Keep us updated on the campaign when you start it.

>>51775053
They are all afraid of their mothers (presumably because she tells them to quit being otherkin fags), so they project that image as their overall progenitor

so how does a hunter campaign usually go? i am knew to owod and some dude recommend me to play hunter first

>>51776144
>oWoD Hunters

Did people actually play oWoD hunter?

>>51776144
>i am knew to owod
Hello

>some dude recommend me to play hunter firs
For what purpose

>>51775967
When it starts I'll definitely give you updates, at this point it's as much your creation as mine.

>>51776267
nWoD Hunter is honestly the best game line for beginners.

The mechanics are way more suited to the lower power level, and it's fairly easy to introduce.
It's also the most morally complex game in the line by default (Although of course such elements can be introduced anywhere and be made easily as prevalent there)

It also lets player get a bunch of toys without having toys that completely change the way the game is played.

>>51776378
But he's talking about oWoD and presumably oWoD Hunter

>>51776450
>oWoD

Why would anyone play such filth?

>>51776490
newbie here, why is it bad? at least i like the idea of the hunter net

>>51776518
oWoD is for peasants.

Don't be a peasant.

>>51776518
oWoD is a fucking mess across the board.

Do CofD if you're entirely new.

>>51776518

Play what you like more and to hell with what anon says. Especially when it comes to lore.

>>51776144
I'm an oWoD Hunter fan. I see no reason to play Hunter first, specifically, I think any of the games is fine to play first. To actually answer your question, it really depends on the group and the Storyteller. Some Hunter games are run and guns, some other games involve working your way up a supernatural conspiracy and eventually taking down the top guy. The personal drama in Hunter is usually about trying to balance your normal life while being a tinfoil-hat wearing murderhobo. The tragedy of HtR is that the better you get at killing monsters the more inhuman you become.

>>51776518

Ignore their lies anon, you should play what interests you. Mechanics do not themselves make a fun game; people do! If you and your friends are excited about Hunter, then play it.

>>51776490
>>51776584
>>51776662

>>51776518
As a fan of both Hunters, I'd recommend the nWoD more for beginners, but both are great in their own way.

>>51776518
CofD is balanced like a video game, it relies a lot more on storyteller input
WoD is not balanced at all, it's a lot like a pulp horror novel and has less reliance on storyteller input and more concentrated goals

>it's at this moment of typing that all out that I realize how assbackwards both WoD's are

but they're different enough that they really aren't comparable

>>51777002
idk why i think wod will do better with another system, the lore is good

>>51776662
>oWoD is a fucking mess across the board

It also has Ascension mages, which are far bigger munchkins than Awakening mages.

Hunter is still fucking gay no matter which setting you pick.

>forum thread about Zak Smith has been hastily locked/deleted

wew lads

>>51777212
OPP sure does love censoring posts.

>>51777212

>defending ZakS

Enjoy your ass eating I'M SAD and edgy faggotry

>>51777252

I don't think anyone at OPP is a fan of his.

>>51777271

???

I hope he dies in a car fire, what are you talking about?

>>51777252

>weeeh look at me i'm a BAD ASS for defying THE MAN who's products I gobble up like retarded cum dumpster now where are my accolades for shit talking about a thread I didn't even bother to read??

>>51776518
Disregard him. oWoD is fine. CofD is fine too (except the fluff)

>>51777212
This whole ZakS thing is the most entertaining thing out of New White Wolf to date.

>>51777283

How do you expect people to react when you make a short offhanded comment about a thread that was full of ZakS sockpuppets defending his fragile internet ego?

>>51777309

Its only going to get better when they make OPP their 5e developers instead of inhousing it with an imperial edict to make everything 5000 times more edgy because Dracula is a lazy sham artist

>>51777326
As some one who unironically liked Freak Legion and suffered paying for M20 I really think WW would do better in house than OPP at this point.

Speaking about Hunter, does any of you happen to know Jakub Wędrowycz books? They make fantastic although bit different inspiration for Hunter, especially if you want to avoid western european cliches.

>>51777361
>avoid western european cliches.
Why even play World of Darkness then?

>>51777353
Does WW even have in house writers at this point?

>>51771471
>Pizzagate tattoo was an arcane rune guys

>>51777392
>No writers
Still Better than giving a book to Brucato

>>51777392

Not that we know of. Its mostly Dracula and his headcanon that's being outlined into, basically, ascended fan fiction.

>>51777432
>ascended fan fiction.
Sometimes your fanfiction takes off because you're popular (50 Shades of Gray) and sometimes because you spent a fuck ton of money on it (SweDracula). Either way its probably still bad.

>>51777378
Rules? Not everyone likes Fate. And what is cliche and what not is entirely subjective.

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>>51766143
>OPP
What is this
How do they know CofD is popular among conservatives?

>>51777471
The cliche bits are the best parts of the World of Darkness1

>>51777484
I doubt they would. They certainlly don't talk to them.

>>51777392

No, and they probably never will. Why hire in-house when you just want to be a licensing firm and there's RPG freelancers who work for peanuts?

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>>51777252
Whom are the OPP I live in the hills.

>>51777460

Oh definitely.

Not saying you can't have good writers who do fanfiction - I mean that's basically what comic books, tv or ongoing series that change writers are - but its generally not a good bar. You want someone who has their own creative shit they do and a writing style that is noteworthy or popular, and THEN you hook them into the project.

I feel like Bloodlines was so good because they were basically fans with actually decent writers hired on who filtered a lot of the potential terrible out of VtM before it was allowed into the game.

>>51777538
Onyx Path Publishing.

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So I take it I missed the launch of OWoD? Or is it still a ways off? I was expecting a few years at least.

I just saw and grabbed the new text game off Steam (and how literal that description is) and am consuming it like a rabid beast.

>>51777639
>playing nu-oWoD games
>PAYING for nu-oWoD games

>>51777713
>PAYING for nu-oWoD games
Not that guy, but I am super desperate for more Mage content that is at least readable after buying m20. I love the line but fucking Brucato shit the bed all over it and I want something even half decent to wash the taste out.

>>51777713

I missed the bus for cWoD (though thankfully it was so plentiful, and drivethru, it's still widely avalable for collection), but this time around plan on supporting the brand.

>>51777739

I would avoid supporting them until they get their house sorted out, or at least only support their actually decent products like Demon or VtR and WtF 2e

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>>51777732

>tfw mage 5e is going to be just as bad as or even worse than m20

I guess I'll just play revised forever

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>>51777713

It's not bad so far, considering it's basically a paid choose-your-own-adventure, though I won't know how re-playable until I try and run through again.

>>51777785
>nWoD

Ew, fuck no. Only good for crunch, and even then being 'less janky' than cWoD isn't exactly a stellar review.

If they announce Demon the Fallen for OWoD though they will have my undying loyalty.

>>51777800

Mixing Revised with M20 would be a better option.

>>51777800
>I guess I'll just play revised forever
Yeah, I own a copy but haven't delved into it yet.
There's also the even longer shot than 5e, By Night Studios putting out a LARP book for mage that makes paradigm cool and doesn't make the whole game 'vampire-y'. There doesn't need to be a system to turn fucking humans into mages like "the bite" they added into werewolf.

>>51777800

Why not? It's not like RPG material is a ongoing tv show or something. It's as good now as ever. We are pretty blessed that cWoD had so much material released, and that it's getting a spiritual/'alternative' continuation.

>>51777845
What parts of m20 are worth using?

>>51777886
>Not secretly holding out hope for a Sons of Ether netflix series
I have to dream they'll make new material that will appeal to new players as well as old if this shit is going to get popular enough to make my dreams real.

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>>51777915

As a Vampire and Demon fan primarily, there is plenty of urban stuff to scratch my itches, so my sympathies. Thinking about it, there isn't a great deal of urban sorcery. Hell, is there any?

>This bitch is genuinely starting to irritate me, rather than being in any way spooky. Did [My Character] get turned by a fucking Malk? Because I don't want to be a fish.

>>51777829
>Implying

Geist, Hunter, Changeling, and Promethean were all fucking great in nWoD you heathen.

>>51777890
Foci and the rules for discarding them is a big one for me. One of the few things Brucato got right.

>>51777890

Focus and Paradigm. Ignore the changes they made to Wonders.

>>51777975
The only real urban sorcery is old shows like Charmed.
There was a short lived Dresdan files series but everyone hated it.
Its a fairly limited genre since pulp books died.
The only active show even kinda on genre is Venture Brothers.

>>51777785
>Supporting nWod
>Supporting that piece of cancer Hill
>Supporting McFarland and crap like Beast
no, thank you

>>51778051
Didn't Hill quit now tho?

>>51778060
Haven't seen any offical statments yet

>>51778010

Only things I can think of are the Librarians (cheap shlock, but fun in a b-movie sense) and Magicians which I haven't watched.

>>51778060
First off, why is he saying he's going to quit when it's already pretty clear that OPP and White Wolf are separate entities?

Second, didn't he announce he was quitting multiple times in the past already?

So he's probably not going to quit and if he does it'll be for a stupid reason anyways.

>>51778235
I forgot about both of those. They make me want to play mage every time I watch them.

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I see a lot of oWoD fans shitting on CofD.

(usually Ascension fans shitting on Awakening)

Instead of asking why you hate Awakening, tell me why you love Ascension so much. Not challenging or trying to argue, I really want to know. I doubt you'll make me turn on Awakening, but I wouldn't mind having an interest in Ascension.

So why is it so great?

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>>51771268
>any OPP freelancers writing for WW after this shitstorm

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAA.

>>51778305
Freelancers still work on Shadowrun anon.
Nothing will ever scare them away.
They have no pride (And no marketable skills to do anything else)

>>51777639
Those are literally all we have for releases from the nuWW branch.

>>51778390
Money is a great motivator.

>>51778390
Perhaps. But I doubt many of them, who are all WAAAGH about this whole Zak S. kerfluffle, would work with WW. Which doesn't matter, they hired Shane and he'll get BNS to write in-house for it/as freelancers for it.

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>>51778285
>tell my why you love Ascension so much

The power! Oh, the glorious power!
Who's going to mess with galaxy busting super-wizards?

>>51778251

1. Because working for a company where money made from his labor will go to a holding company that will proceed to hire (and judging by the blog post, continue to hire for future projects) someone who either stalks and harasses him off and on or has a lot of fans willing to stalk and harass him off and on is a raw deal, even if you don't like the guy.

2. One previous time in the past, also related to Zak Sabbath either stalking and harassing him or having fans that are willing to stalk and harass him. Now that Zak is doing work for the parent company, this time it'll probably stick, unless Rich or Rose talk him out of it, for what I assume would be the second time.

I assume the major reason why he might not quit is because a significant amount of the CofD production line might go on hold, which would have been the situation had he left last time.


>>51778390

And even if OPP writers avoid WW, there's more than enough edgy writers who liked Bloodlines for Dracula to pick from to write for pittance wages.

That and BNS freelancers will end up doing it and the LARP and Tabletop game will probably get rolled up into one game.

>>51778285
Have you not seen Venture Brothers?

>>51778285

People play Ascension to feel better about themselves and abuse a flawed system to become stronger than the other game lines. It's not against the core premise of the setting, but it's still excruciatingly painful to witness .

>>51772210
DaveB is my hero.

>>51778285
Using science to eradicate degenerate leftist hippies and quacks to make reality a better place by slowly guiding human advancement

>>51778285
I don't really like either version of Mage but the Technocracy is cool.

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>>51778285

I just prefer the fluff and feel of cWoD. CofD doesn't hit the right beats for me. For example, I can appreciate the concept of the God Machine and such, but I much prefer The Fallen.

>>51778285

I think that resonance is better than wisdom. The more you use a certain kind of magic the easier it get at the expenses of other kinds of magic morally ambigous enough to really represent choices and consequences.

I like paradigm, i like making my character belief system and that each mage feels unique and flavorful. And i like the traditions as i find them compelling and inspired.

That mages cant cast whatever is convenient at the time but have to get smart and creative. Meaning less "i have found a way to bullshit to do this with my paradigm" and more "oh shit my mage paradigms is fire how do i heal this guy? Got it i will cautherize the wound"

I like consesual reality. I like that there is no magic fairy dust to keep the masquerade up.

I like the hypertech and gonzo and that what i consider the worse part of both mages (seekings/astral) can be bypassed with 1 merit.

I like how the game had a sense of humor about itself something nwod lost the ability to by trying to hard to be adult and serious.

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>>51778398

It's started though. I thought I had more time.

>>51778684
They didn't really do shit with the God Machine.
God Machine fluff is in the GMC book itself, Demon and like one Hunter book.

>>51778462
The Shadowrun freelancers WEREN'T paid.

>>51772210
>>51778663

Oh damn. Dave fucking destroyed that guy.

>>51778705
You will. No TT material will be out til at least late 2018 unless they are further ahead than anyone is letting on And these shitty games are 'just a start'.

>>51778691
>That mages cant cast whatever is convenient at the time and have to get smart and creative

This is highly debateable depending on the mage in question, Anon.

>>51778769

Not really when you get a point in arcanum you get acess to all the possibles uses of that arcanum. You could br a fire theme mage who solve all his problems with fireball and then turn on and hack a computer with forces. At least you could in 1st edition. While in ascension paradigm further refine your option and thats not getting into optional rules like specialty spheres.

>>51778858

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Kek, okay, this is having it's moments so far. As a cheap taster it's fine, but I would have liked to have seen the shit the texts talk about, and the random deaths are irritating.

>>51778847

The Arcana don't exist in Ascension, Anon.

>>51778507
>Hill

I'm in a weird situation. I'm not making any official statements or anything like that.

Zak's been pretty much a nightmare for me for a very long time. I have talked about leaving RPGs over it. Ironically, this isn't a thing of my not following through or anything like that. It's because I don't walk away from contracts I've put work into, because I hate working without pay. I'm STILL working on the same exact contracts. That's how slow shit moves in games sometimes. It's frustrating as hell at times. Believe me, if I could get Changeling 2E released today, I'd pretty much do anything to make that happen. Literally nobody wants that book published more than I do right now. I've taken two more contracts since then, but they were both contracts writing a small amount on things I'd already agree to do, and I put myself into a position where I'm hard to replace.

I'm also waiting to see what goes on with OPP. I don't want to leave them up a creek.