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Best deck for everyday play aka non tourny for under $50 diggery doos?

Has anyone Talara's Battalion zoo now that we have copies 5-8 of BTE?

>>51764077
I am playing at GP Vancouver therefore I am going to struggle.

I hope I at least Day 2 but they got a PTQ sealed event on day 2 which I may drop even with a x-3 or x-2 record.

>>51764559
50 diggery doos? Maybe soul sisters, I think you can get most of the pieces for fairly cheap

>modern

a meme in intself

>>51764559
Maybe budget mono red burn?

Is Emma Handy a trans?

dropped the ball op baka desu senpai

>>51764595
bumping for answers.

>>51764616
The only expensive price tag really is Serra Ascendant, but other than that it's a super cheap deck

>>51764077
I'll be playing at the gp and I'll be forcing grixis delver until the day I die

>>51764077
>For you normies, what are you guys expecting to top 8 at the GP in Vancouver?
Me. With rug delver. Keep an eye out boys

>>51765522
How do you do at the local FNM level? Kind of sick of Jund and I think Infect is pretty lame, and it looks fun.

How do you guys feel about Grim Flayer vs Bob in Junk? I've been doing a lot of testing on cockatrice but I still can't figure out my list.

>>51766140
Junk usually wants flayer because they run a sightly higher curve than jund most of the time and with bob that can hurt you. Flayer also has the added ability of potentially being mini-goyf 5-8 with trample, as well as card selection which can help you get what you need or help you get things in the yard to pump him/goyf or souls in a pinch. Some lists run a split between the two, but if I had to choose I'd choose flayer.

>>51766214
Ive seen the more aggressive junk lists run hierarchs and flayers and bobs. The higher costed list I've been trying has a split of bobs, flayers, and rhinos.

>>51766140
Why not just both.

>>51764559
MonoGreen Stompy can be built for like 50 bucks.
Leatherback Baloth and Dungrove Elder are the only remotely expensive cards

Anyone here going to scg indianapolis?

>>51766140
With Flayer you need to build your deck around him in order for him to be remotely playable. If you have no main deck artifacts/enchantments then don't bother. Some lists play 2-of Nihil spell bombs or Mishra's baubles which apparently is enough, spell bomb isn't an unreasonable main deck card for a GP meta. I personally would rather just play Bob and two more proactive spells and gain value with no effort than include some do nothing cards and bave to work to make Grim Flayer a half way decent imitator

>>51764899
Of course. All women who participate in competitive Magic are trans.

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>>51769616
>men not good enough for pro magic
>sexism edge half the playerbase
>trigger the other halve into a loss
>mfw when this all makes sense

Is cat lady viable in modern?

>>51771334
You mean copy cat? Kind of, I've seen it put up results but it's modo leagues so take that as you will

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>>51771744
>copy cat
Is that what the cool kids are calling it?
Everyone I know has been calling it Cat Lady Combo
I've been fucking around on cockatrice running what is essentially Jeskai Twin, but it runs Saheli and Sovereign instead of Twin and Exarch. It seems pretty decent.

>>51772980
Everyone you know is retarded then. Copy Cat is more concise, rolls off the tongue more easily and explains what the deck does.

>>51773000
>Everyone you know is retarded then
Very possible, I live in Hillbilly hell after all.

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Who /vancouver/ here?

>>51773219
DUDE

>>51773482
SYRUP

>>51773219

I visited there for a work convention a couple weeks ago
Beautiful city, third time I've been there

I spent time with a qt azn while I was there

Thoughtsieze in grixis delver SB yes or no?

>>51773649
Why would you not want to play one of the best proactive black cards in the format?

>>51773689
Because it's not terribly great main board for delver and the sideboard is kind of cramped, which is why I'm asking other delver players for opinions.

>>51773755
Play Inquisition?

>>51772980
Forget wall of omens, super secret tech is Augury Owl

>>51773799
That's not Modern legal. Also Inquisition of Kozilek should already be in his deck.

>>51774108
>inquisition in grixis delver
Do you people even play delver?

>>51774118
No, I play Tron.

>>51774108
Anon, I want you read Inquisition and ask yourself. "What kind of fucking Mong would mainboard this garbage?"
No fucking shit I'm talking about Inquisition of Kozilek, are you retarded or something? Do you get confused when people say Helix? After all they could be referring to Spell Weaver Helix :^)

>>51764077
>tfw live in Vancouver
>played magic since I was in grade 8
>start going to magic stronghold with buddies for drafts
>we aren't retarded but we're all pretty casual
>win once in a while at the drafts but usually get btfo
>find out that vancouver is actually a huge scene in the magic world
>find out the top ranked standard players in all bc play at stronghold and have been the ones handling us during the drafts

We just wanted to do some casual drafts

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>>51774139
>literal retardation: the deck

>>51764077
>For you normies, what are you guys expecting to top 8 at the GP in Vancouver?

Tron
Grixis Delver
Zoo
Eldrazi Tron
Infect
Lantern Control

>Best deck in the format?

Lantern Control, hands down.

>Any spicy tech?

Surgicals mainboard in every top 8 deck

>New meme decks?
Mono-blue Delver

GP Brisbane in an hour...hype!

>>51775229
Let us know if anyone gets murdered by a kangaroo

So Kid Icarus, notorious for charging higher-than-average on eBay deals, is selling around a thousand Modern Masters 2017 boxes on eBay at $50 below MSRP.

What do you guys think this means? It doesn't seem to make much sense to me, unless they think for some reason they'll have trouble moving boxes later on.

>tfw this format has never been as terrible as it is now

>>51776277
t. assblasted infect player

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>Mfw I was playing against a guy with a foiled out affinity deck and he had to read my remand

>>51764616
>soul sisters

A playset of Serra ascedant alone is over 50$. and then you'd also need path to exile and maybe ranger of eos.

>>51774108
>Inquisition not modern legal
What

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>haven't played in a while
>look up some new deaths shadow lists
>find this


Is this a new tech to make tarmogoyf bigger fast? Would it even be worth it to play this over lightning bolt?

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>>51774108
Refering to this?

>>51778519
Yeah, that's really the only reason. 90% of things that need to get bolted die to this, and it makes a big boy tarmogoyf real quick. I mean, when you think about it in alot of cases, it's deal 2 damage, put 2 +1+1 on your creature

>>51778519
You usually play it in addition to bolt in decks that want to make bigger goyfs, temur delver runs a few usually. It also helps enable delirium in decks that run traverse the ulvenwald and I think the recent death's shadow lists usually run that as well.

>>51778404
It's not like the card's seen play in any viable deck since Twin ban.

So how bad is madcap experiment into platinum?

>>51776072
Hes hedging his bets. If the set has shitty cards hes gaurenteed sales, if the set rocks he just cancels the orders and sells them high.

>>51778404
He was obviously stalling for time to think about what he wanted to do.

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>>51772980
if you're in jeskai it's papa's patriotic pussy parade get it right

>>51779402
If he cancels the orders report him please. Shit like that deserves attention by the banbots.

>>51780077
Its likely a dummy front for his real store sorry to break it to you but online sellers are shady as fuck. I only trust dedicated sellers like tcgplayer and the like. Every time ive gotten fucked over the inherent threat of them properly being blacklisted has made every seller other than alter reality games fix their mistake. Ive evem gotten fre cards because they shipped the wrong item and I ended up gettingthe right one with no request for the mistake card being sent back.

>>51779325
The combo is worse than Shard Volley
The combo doesn't even put you into a position where victory is eminent, because it just eats a path next turn.
Sure its a cute interaction, but its pretty friggin' bad.

Alright, once more before I fuck off.

Has anyone tested Talara's Battalion Zoo with Hidden Herbalist being copies 5-8 of Burning Tree as an enabler? Experiment one is also a cheap creature that enables it and being a 4/3 is great for evolve.

>>51780575
I still think the pariah reckoner version of the deck is more realistic to play because it just wins.

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I want to play some kind of crazy combo deck at FNM. What should I go with? My FNM isn't very competitive.

>>51780742
lightning bolt combo

>>51780742

Aetherflux Eggs

>>51778539
Wizards please reprint. Modern needs more cards like this.

>>51780895
I'm gonna need more detail.
>>51780897
I guess I should have been more clear, my card shop has modern FNM

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>>51780677
That combo feels even more fragile to be honest
Because it can't go off before turn 5 and loses to just about any kind of removal.

>>51780742
I have a few spicy combos brewed. If you want I can post'em fo you

>>51780936
Go for it. The spicier the better.

>>51780936
Nykthos says hi

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>>51780973

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>>51780742
Duskcrank looks fun, and Fatal Push seems like it would slot in well.

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>>51781007
I'm gonna straight up admit that I stole this one from a guy at GP Toronto last year.
I should probably add Blooming Marshes to it

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>>51780742
the seismic gitrog loop

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>>51781055
Original meme, do not steel

>>51781022
>tron
>combo
Love this meme.

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We postin' memelists ITT?

Was going to build for FNM but it turns out that Walking Ballista is a vintage-level card so it's price skyrocketed

>>51780589
Honestly hidden herbalist doesn't seem like it makes it that much easier to case battalion. Your enable also needs to be enabled? Too many hoops. And a 4/3 isn't that great for all that effort, you should go with Myr Superion instead and even that is kind if niche, better stats but can literally only be case off BTE or HH

>>51781554
With all those counters, why not add Hardened scales?

>>51781785
Went for a boring boros. considering bloodmoons but simian moon decks are lowbrow.

There's monowhite soul sisters variant as well, basically the regular sisters deck but with a couple of enduring renewal and a few Xcost guys (ranger of eos makes the combo fit neatly without being a burdensome package)

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Never forget.

>>51781903
Play the bloodmoons, if you want to win it doesnt hurt to put your knee on their neck before they can fight back.

>>51781956
http://tappedout.net/mtg-deckpaste/18-02-17-PmW-none/

Is the deck rip or is it still good

Currently at 4-2 @ GP Brisbane

>>51782488
GL, post your decklist when youre done and tell us your final score.

>>51781276
Its a green control deck

>>51781022
>no tooth and nail
I just want my deck to get some representation, man

So far so good with rug delver, my fellow memers

>>51783607
Are you the simic charm guy with the goyfy deck? GL and i hope you havent lost yet.

>>51780742
Mystic Orchard Bant combo, give your opponent infinite 1/1 flying spirit tokens and drain him for 1 each time creature enters his battelfield.

>>51784202
Go spicier, use authority of the councils and aetherflux resevoir. Every mana spent is another life closer to firing the death laser and you can storm into a win.

Thinking of making some shitbrew aristocrats deck using the Flip Lilly and Ormendahl.

Question is what pieces do i put in to succesfully flip the Prince without bigger issues? CoCo is obviously a must.

Thinking of what colors should I make it, Golgari, Jund or maybe Abzan?
Possibly no Melira shenanigans since for stomping I got my tron to do that.

>>51782501
Went 6-3. Last round against Chris Cousens (top 8d last aus modern gp)

>>51784539
Damn, well thats a pretty good record. Better luck next time on getting that 9-0.

I wanted to make a goblin deck but I can't seem to get it consistent or particularly good. I dont know if I should go more goblins or more burn. What should I do with it?

Only condition is im not spending $160USD on goblin guides, it makes about as much sense as Glimpse the unthinkable still being around the $40 mark despite being completely non competitive in any format

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/24-01-17-goblin/

>>51774377


lol are you a time traveler?

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>>51785005
> I wanted to make a goblin deck but I can't seem to get it consistent or particularly good.
> Only condition is im not spending $160USD on goblin guides
There's your problem anon.

If you're not dropping the money for guides, I'd recommend pulling the Burn at the Stakes, the Dragon Fodders, and a mountain for a set of Reckless Bushwhacker and a pair of Raging Goblin.

If you want to be really spicy though, maindeck a set of Goblin King and Blood Moon.

>>51785149
This should be a mantra for red players
"Always play blood moon" then when they ban bloodmoon modern wont have a reason to exist. You have now won so hard your color has beaten every other deck in the format to death.

>>51785149
Ive updated it on the offchance that I decide to spend a few hundred USD on a Goblin deck. Is this basically what you were suggesting

>>51784513
bump, want some insight on this idea.

>>51782501
// Deck: Rob'ts (60)

// Lands
4 Blinkmoth Nexus
4 Darksteel Citadel
4 Glimmervoid
4 Inkmoth Nexus
1 Mountain

// Creatures
4 Arcbound Ravager
2 Etched Champion
2 Master of Etherium
4 Memnite
4 Ornithopter
4 Signal Pest
4 Steel Overseer
4 Vault Skirge

// Spells
4 Cranial Plating
3 Galvanic Blast
4 Mox Opal
4 Springleaf Drum

// Sideboard
SB: 2 Ancient Grudge
SB: 1 Blood Moon
SB: 1 Chalice of the Void
SB: 2 Etched Champion
SB: 1 Ghirapur Æther Grid
SB: 1 Grafdigger's Cage
SB: 1 Gut Shot
SB: 1 Sea Gate Wreckage
SB: 1 Spellskite
SB: 2 Stubborn Denial
SB: 1 Tormod's Crypt
SB: 1 Whipflare

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>>51785322
Did you have any particularly spicy/fun matches? Also whats your fanciest/nicest card in the deck.

>>51785260
Pretty much. The deck should be reasonably more aggressive now and the blood moons can cripple many opposing decks.

>>51785371
Last game was pretty intense.
He had the combo on turn 4. If i had of drawn exactly galvanic blast i could have killed his Melira and equipped 2 platings to an inkmoth for lethal poison (he was at a 100 billion life)

Game 2 i am on the play, he plays blooming marsh in to noble heirarch, then fetches for temple garden to path one of my creatures. My turn i untap and cast bloodmoon with an opal up to feign a stubborn denial/galvanic blast. Chip away for a couple of turns before he scoops. Game 3 i side the blood moon out as he got wrecked by it so would play around it. I mulligan to 6 and keep a strong hand (whipflare, mountain, glimmevoid, signal pest, Cranial Plating and Vault Skirge)

Get opponent down to 10 from him fetching and shocking and me chipping away with a 4/1 plated ornithopter and signal pest. Have Galvanic blast as only card in hand, hold on to in case of combo. I draw a master of etherium & play it, now i am swinging for 10 if i activate blinkmoth, so opponent paths the master. I hit for 6 and then sho the gal blast. Feel super lucky as he is a great player and great guy.

>>51785446
Damn that sounds intense. Do you feel the deck was the right call for the meta or was it simply your play that allowed you to 6-3?

>>51785371
Melira pod is an awful match up for affinity.

So is ad nauseum that i played rnd 3 - he combos off in Game 1. Game 2 i attack with a cranial equiped inkmoth was that 7/1. He taps out for Forfend (?) & i windmill slam my Stubborn Denial. Game 3 i get off to an aggro start and cast chalice for 1. Opponent had 2 angels grace in hand, was at 11 and facing exactly 11. Another super nice guy that i had played before

>>51785529
Mainly play. I played a guy in the mirror who was pretty good. Beat me 2-0. I learned a bit. Also actively acknowledged a few mistakes i made even in games where i won - hopefully can learn from. Have a lot to learn about the deck and dont play often.

Times i have played paper events in the last 12 months;

Gp melbourne.
Melbourne wmcq
Modern pptq at flgs
Modern gpt at flgs.

Tmstopped playing standard when bfz came out. Have to read a lot of newer cards.

>>51785585
Well that sounds good, sounds next time Ill be reading about your win on the mothership. GL roboanon

>>51785609
Yeah, dont count on it, not that dedicated unfortunately, just for funsies. My cousin is on cheerios and at 7-2 at the moment. Might actually get his decklist posted/top 8 etc.

Super happy to make day 2. Was my goal and have gone 5-4 at last 2 GPs

>>51785322
Why no Spell Pierce or Bomat Courier? Both cards have overperformed for me.

>>51785910
Prefer stubborn denial - protects cranial equipped creatures and post ravager, also gets better as game goes on.

Bomat Courier seems to require too much work to get value out of

>>51772980
>token minority
Hah, puns.

>>51785941
I think the card's pretty straightforward, it does one or more of the following: Makes your go wide -starts with Signal Pest better, is an Ancestral Recall when your opponent can't be arsed or can't afford to remove a 1/1 that doesn't even have Plating on, finishes your opponent from an empty board with haste after Liliana of the Veil is active and/or your board besides Plating is gone, or at the very least cantrips.

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Love how diverse and good and not entirely aggro modern is. Really really makes me think about how 40% of the decks aren't just an aggro shitfest.

>>51785005
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/24-01-17-goblin/
>Warren Instigator
>No Siege Gangbang Commander

Unless you're cheating in some expensive gobbos, I always find Warren Instigator to be a bit underwhelming.

>>51786177
The problem with your bait is that Bant Eldrazi ("Eldrazi Aggro") is midrange, Abzan is midrange, Jund is midrange, Death's Shadow's critical turn is back to like 4-5, it plays LOTV for crying lout and Affinity is objectively the most fun deck in Modern.

>>51786243
>Midrange
>Not just glorified aggro with discard
Ebin

>>51786251
>average jund list runs around 20 pieces of removal/discard and bob to flip said pieces in time before your opponent can race
>only notable finisher is goyf and 1-2 4drops
>aggro
Christ, just kill yourself.

>>51786251
You sound like a standard fag

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GP Vancouver soon boys.

>>51786479
Affinity is going to win actually.

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>>51786177
More like 60% aggro and midrange, 20% ramp, 10% control and 10% combo. Fuck this shitty format desu. Also, Infect is dead, it's at 1% for the last two weeks. The ban really killed it.

>>51786932
>infect kill

Good. It was a dumb deck.

>>51786251
>If it plays any creatures at all it's aggro
Yeah my favorite aggro deck is Ad Nauseam

>>51786932
>Using MTGtop 8
Holy fuck kill yourself

>>51787003
>reeeeeerrr
>my tarmogoyf beatdown deck isn't braindead aggro

>>51786932
>Latest Anime
>(Moonspeak)
>Free Japanese
>Free Japanese
>Japanese Language Proficiency test
>/pol/
>/a/
Embarrassing

>>51787017
I bet you think Tron is combo too

>>51778539
Congrats, you were the only one who didn't fall for my bait.

Alright how many other skred players are there other than me? I want to see skred in top 8 real bad

>>51787081
Won't happen, the one event skred actually took first was through some kind of cosmic coincidence where every one of his opponents lost their mind and somehow didn't punish him for his multitude of play mistakes and shit deck.

>>51786932
>reactive blue at 10 percent
>format is far worse and less interactive than before the Twin ban
>blue is terrible
Twin unban in March? I hope that I'll make some good money on the 130 Twin cards that I have online.

>>51787107
A man can dream damn it!

>>51766001
Played delver this week, lost whenever I played against control but it's probably because I'm bad. Infect is an easy win, affinity I think is 50/50 preboard. Merfolk trashed me. Also I found that delve crushes mono blue illusions if that ever pops up for you

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>>51787027
>not being a weeb
You have to go back.
>>51787141
>Twin unban in March?
I hope so, my family.

>>51787223
I've been here longer than you and didn't come from anywhere else, faggot. Please kill yourself

>>51786479

CHEERI0S WILL DOMINATE

C H E E R I 0 S

>tfw I was right when I said that Cheerios will dominate the format until its banned

I hope one of you faggots screencapped my post.

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>>51787491
>has placed in, what, exactly one scg event?
>1% of the mtgo meta
>folds to basically anything
>dominates

>>51773649
>Thoughtsieze in grixis delver SB yes or no?

Cryptic Commands instead desu

>>51787596
You don't understand green text.
Kill yourself you weeb faggot

>>51787596
Who are you quoting?

So, now that it's certain that Wizards will ban something from Cheerios, will it be Opal or Retract?

>>51787917

Grapeshot

>>51787917
Since there is another storm deck putting up results it will probably be grapeshot

>>51787934
Fuck. They'll probably kill off Storm for good this time.

>>51787952
It will be past in flames.

>>51787983
That wouldn't harm Cheerios, and there's no way they'll allow that deck to be competitive.

>>51764559
Zombie Hunt

>>51787797
Too rough on the manabase desu

>>51787917
Retract

>>51788004
Grapeshot ban barely hurts cheeri0s either. Lab man and emrakul wincon are both good.

>>51789766
Wizards doesn't ban win conditions, they ban enablers. If the deck gets banned (which it won't) it will be either Retract or Mox Opal.

What are the best programs for testing a deck out?

>>51789874
Magic Online

>>51789925
haha.

No, I know about cockatrice, but there's a second program people talk about that for the life of me, I can't remember the name of.

I think I just came up with a super spicy brew of turns, and I'd like to try it out before investing. I figure this is a good time to try out the other program too.

>>51789851
desu opal wouldn't hurt either.

>>51789851
The deck would work almost as well with Hurkyl's Recall or SSG. Wizards may pretend that it isn't their policy, but they really don't want to see decks such as Storm and Cheerios doing well. Those suggestions don't cut it.

>>51790055
SSG is not comparable to Mox Opal in the slightest.

>>51789956

XMage is one.

>>51785143
I am in fact. What else did you want to know?

>>51790329
Ah, that's it! thanks.

Is the thopter/sword combo good at stalling out aggro?

>>51789874
I use xmage. The rules enforcement engine works well. The client can be buggy but after using and comparing it to the official piece of shit wotc is ripping people off with I'm a believer

>>51790409
Tbh it's too slow to get online. Most decks that use it don't get it down until t4ish and you're already dead by then. It has the same problem as gifts ungiven decks. Good cards, good strategy, but their just not fast enough in Linear Uninteractive Aggro: the format.

>>51790409
It's shit, and you'd waste your money and time if you bought it.

>>51790461
how do I shut down linear uninteractive aggro then?

>>51790481
Ensnaring bridge

>>51790556
Ensuring bridge requires you to play a strategy where you can play while hellbent, so it's not just a jam it and win answer like bloodmoon

>>51790671
It's great in the thopter sword deck

>>51778722
It's also delirium for Traverse the Uvenwald. Use Street Wraith, Bauble, and Tarfire and you have delirium for R.

>>51790055
The reason the deck works right now is that it is faster than the other linear decks. If they lose recall, it probably becomes the same speed or slower than the other decks with less interaction. I could be wrong, but I'm selling my retracts and some of my puresteels either way.

>>51790867
You might as well sell your Opals, that's like a 99% sure thing.

>>51781022
>scepter controll

That sounds crazy enough for me, is it based around Ichoron Scepter?

Could someone post a list?

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>>51781177
Yo dawg, I heard you like drawing cards.

>>51790979
Yeah I didn't buy those. I borrowed them to play the deck once. Then I decided I'd rather stick with the consistency and resiliency of infect. I didn't have a completely correct list, but I've already lost money on banned cards twice this year. I'd rather not get that up to 3.
I wish cards didn't have such bad price memory. I want to sell my Puresteels too, but they wont get reprinted. They don't really work in a draft environment.

>>51790979
>ban something that doesn't even neuter the deck because ???? is 99% sure
k.

>>51791204
You're either stupid or a lying cheerioh's player based on that post.

>>51791228
It turns from a turn 2 to a 2.5 deck killing Affinity in the process, what have you accomplished?

>>51791273
>killing affinity
No. Affinity would survive, maybe be reduced to tier 2 at lowest.

Cheeri0s absolutely needs mox opal though. SSG is not an adequate replacement in any way, because SSG is only ever good for one mana per card, instead of one mana per loop.

>>51791204
How do you cast Retract/Hurkyll's the turn you play your dude without Mox Opal?

>>51791301
Dude, if Frank Karsten says Affinity won't survive an Opal ban (given artifact lands already are), it won't survive an Opal ban.

>>51791429
Use SSG to cast your dude, Retract with your land, more SSGs for Grapeshot or just wait for turn 3, Paradise Mantle equips for free to Paladin.

>>51791468
Puresteel Paladin is double white

>>51791565
Good thing Sram's not.

>>51791468
>>51791565
>person who thinks SSG is an adequate replacement for Mox Opal also thinks you can use SSG to make white mana

Well I guess that confirms the retard theory.

>>51791602
Correct. It aint blue either, which is what is needed for retract

>>51791273
Also kills lantern which is why the scrubs are foaming at the mouth for a mox ban, they just want an excuse to hurt lantern and affinity.

>>51791933
>Le "lantern is for patrician players only, such as myself" meme

I kind of want to see a Mox Opal ban just to make Modern mox-less.

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I heard memes

updated from last couple threads

>>51792357
That's a fucking stupid reason.

>>51790055
Yeah wizards doesn't like to see their biggest mistakes do well and they really don't like storm as a mechanic in general.

Getting rid of retrace should be enough to make Cheerios not complete bullshit. If its still to strong they'll probably ban Paradise mantle or something. But getting rid of Opal completely destroys Lantern and Affinity and makes them unplayable jank, so WotC isn't gonna do that... unless they actually want to completely kill modern as a format.

You guys at home in your keyboards should cool it. I'm at gp Vancouver and Cheerios is not dominating anything

>open Twitch to see the GP Vancouver
>Round 6
>see my love
>Dredge, Maro's Schreckgespenst
Am I dreaming?

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>>51781007
>[flashy effects]
Lost

I have enough tix for a box of a standard set

I'm going to crack it without drafting.
Should I go for bfz, oath, kaladesh or aether revolt

When I try import data in forge and navigate to the card folder it says there is nothing there. Can anyone help?

>>51794094
Just buy singles

>>51794094
>cracking modo
lol

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Is going for a reanimator deck using the Unburial Rites/Refurbish/Resurrection and other assorted 4 cmc reanimator spells too slow?

>>51794159
How do you beat Liliana of the Veil?

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>>51794194
Yeah, you right. Cross your fingers and pray.

Old Sigarda

>>51794133
>>51794139
I guess I should specify.

I'm at the gp and all the prizes are shit

>>51794276
>I'm at the gp
What's at the top tables?

>>51794287
It's only day 1 in Vancouver. Nothing yet

>>51794350
>Nothing yet
So, after 6 rounds, there's nobody undefeated?

>>51794094
I'd go for oath, fishing for Kalitas.

>>51794413
I don't know I'm getting food. I thought you meant like the finals

>>51794417
But oath has shitty expeditions

>>51794646
So? Sell them or trade.

Got rid of one for 2 Lillies.

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How many fucking times are they going to put Death's Shadow on camera?

>>51793486

It's easy, they just ban Mox Opal and unban Chrome Mox.

>>51794887
I want more eldrazi tron desu

>>51794924
If wotc thinks opal is banworthy chrome mox ain't coming off senpai.

I'd be willing to bet chrome never gets off the list desu

Question if I have rattle chains in play and I have a phantasmal image in my hand and can copy either him or another spirit can I cast phantasmal image as if he had flash or does he only become a spirit when he hits the field?

>>51794962
It has to ETB before it becomes whatever it's copying

On the stack and in your hand it's still a Phantasmal Image

>>51785005

Can't you just build regular 8whack with bomat couriers instead of guides?

Ban traverse and chalice, vintage level cards don't belong in modern.

>>51786932
>java api
>java tutorials
>w3
>node.js

I'm literally vomiting, holy shit.

>>51795442
/g/, pls, go rice your gentoo or something

>>51786932
>those tabs
>mtg top 8
These are the people that hate on modern

good job you'll get the (you)'s

>>51795367
>traverse
Lmao
>traverse is only good in toolbox!
Stay bad tg

>>51795599
>1 mana tutor any land or creature
>balanced
Lmao stay bad magic /tg/

>>51795679
>1 mana tutor that has a pretty big requisite and can easily be stopped by graveyard exiling effects

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Is 4 Urza's Tower the spicy new tech affinity is using these days?

>>51795679
it's just like
>Mox Opal is better than Vintage Moxen
Everybody forgets the requisites

>>51795722
>implying it's hard to enable delirium
>bringing in sb hate for a 1 mana tutor to just die to everything else
Wow, the memes are real /tg/ is bad at magic.

>>51795769
Mox is strictly better than the vintage moxen in artifact decks though

>>51795767
Had a PTQ top 8 and they listed my decklist with Whipflares in the main :P

>>51795799
of course, the entire Deck is built around that. It's the cost of having a ton of worthless creatures in order to allow extra mana earlier.

EVERY FUCKING MATCH IS DEATH'S SHADOW

For fuck's sake is Star City trying to offload all the ones that got traded in after people unloaded them when Probe got banned?

>>51795874
>what is steel overseer
>what is signal pest
They are clearly amazing card on their own. Pay 2 for a 1/1 that takes an entire turn to do something, and a 0/1 with battlecry, which by itself is also amazing (try attacking with it alone).
>what is cranial plating
It's a strong equipment, probably the strongest card in the deck considering a synergy, but still, it's worth 0 by itself, also costs 2+1 to do something, the same for example a Liliana, that can win by herself.
>what is etched champion
A 2/2 that's a godsend for control matches, as if Grixis Control was abusive against this deck as it is. The only card that can make a player feel confortable agaisnt the huge ammount of cards that can hurt Affinity immensely. Still is a 3 mana for a 2/2.

All the cards that are very situational, all of them have requirements to be effective and not a burden in your hand. Modern is feeling with cost effect creatures, being the most knowledgeble, the Tarmogoyf, which is a 4/5 for 2 mana (although when enters is usually a 3/4). So saying that 1/1s, 0/1s, 2/2s are overpowered when you can put much larger creatures by the same cost, is not doing a very good research.

>>51796016
the difference being that goyf comes down on 2 whereas overseer and pest can both come down on 1 making unfair boardstates that are difficult to interact with.

>>51796094
Goyf survives Bolt.
Overseer and pest don't.
Overseer is literally putting a 1/1 at turn 1, with Mox Opal.

Unfortunately for me skred died at 4-4, had to face 3 Naya burn matches and all I see across the tables is burn.

>>51796204
>d-dies t-t-to removal
Doesn't make it bad kiddo, if you can't answer it you lose which isn't healthy for the format at all.

Is there a Loam deck in this format?

I play Loam Pox in Legacy, I would like to try something similar.

Death Cloud was kind of a thing when I first tried modern, but it was more of just a ramp thing than a grindy strategy. Is that still around?

>>51796248
If you can't answer to a Steel Overseer that means you are racing it, which means you can't complain it starts to grow, because it still takes a couple of turns. Affinity isn't Infect, where if you can't interact you can die the next turn.
Also...
>kiddo
after writing
>d-dies t-t-to removal
*irony*

>>51796317
WHEN WILL YOU NIGGERS FINALLY LEARN?

STOP REPLYING TO THAT RETARD


YES IM FUCKING MAD

>>51796248
People like you are ruining this game. Get good you fucking shit head

>>51796342
You seem angry.

>>51796346
>n-no don't ban my precious tier 0 affinity

Get fucked, broken shit is ruining this format which is why wotc is cutting support and attendance is down.

The only way to actually make modern good is to lower the power level to make the format more accessible and either reprint expensive cards or ban them to allow more entry to the format. Just because I recognize that most of the decks in modern are cancer and killing the format does not mean I'm ruining the game, fuck off.

>>51796421
I don't play affinity
Here's your reply

>>51795722
Summoner's pact is a 0 mana tutor, shoukd we ban it too?

>>51796482
Yes
All cards that are strong must go. Then we can smash grizzly bears and play lightning strike

All the shitters wanting to ban opal need to fuck off. If we are gonna change the ban list, Unban Stoneforge and Twin.
There, I just saved your format.

>>51796502
this

#makemoderngreatagain

>>51796229
Why aren't you playing Dragon's Claw?

>>51796421
>teir 0 affinity
>eats shit against burn
>teir zero

WEW LAD
E
W

L
A
D

>>51796524
>NO DON'T BAN MY OPAL ;_;
>s-s-shitters it's totally balanced
Can't wait till march to drink the salty affinty/lantern tears.

>>51796592
fuck off tronigger

>>51796524
This. Reactive decks need help.

>>51796610
Death's shadow aggro actually, I don't play braindead decks.

>>51794928
I want less eldrazi tron desu

>>51796683
>"I don't play brain dead decks"
>plays one of the most brain dead decks in modern
Wew indeed

>>51796559
I forgot mine at home and didn't realize it until it was too late, seemed pointless anyways because they always had destructive revelry every game

Is Grixis Delver really weak against Burn and Tron or are the people on MTGS complaining about those MUs just shitters?

>>51796806
>death's shadow
>brain dead
Confirmed for never playing the deck or just being salty. death's shadow has one of the highest skill caps in the game because of balancing the life loss and knowing when, if it all, to go for the kill. Also mana sequencing and how and when to get delirium online for traverse is another aspect that it challenging.

Stay mad

>>51797050
they're fairly poor match ups. grixis delver tends to be light on threats, so getting delver searing blaze'd sucks. add in how self-harming a three color mana base is, and that you're not in the colors for life gain in the sideboard, and burn isn't a very pretty match. You also don't have the pressure to kill tron before they get online, and since modern's best counters are just "pay [N] extra mana" tron literally just waits one extra turn and ignores all of those. and delver doesn't have much of an answer to karn/ugin/world breaker/ulamog.

>>51797085
>hurt self
>turn creatures sideways
>+6/+6 double strike
>hope they don't have path
So deep

>>51797136
>heh If I post a simplified version of how a deck functions it means I'm right
btw you can literally simplify any deck in modern like that shitter

stay mad

>>51797050
My buddy plays Grixis Delver and I rip him a new one 9 times outa 10
every once and a while Delver can get a nut hand and pull out Banaman real early, but even then the odds are very much against you.

>>51797157
You're right but please stop acknowledging him

>>51797114
>>51797229
What's the point of playing tempo if I can't beat up on linear unfair decks?

>>51797050
i think the grixis delver shell is flexible enough that the deck can be tweaked to make any matchup favorable but i don't think there's a way to have good game 1s vs both tron and burn.
The lists that are good in the current meta are indeed too slow to be favored against tron. If they resolve any of their threats it's usually gg for delver and even if you manage to counter ulamog it will wreck your clock. as for burn, i think grixis has decent interaction, it just has to draw it in the first 3 turns. So yeah neither of these are good matchups

>>51792506
Spicy. Why the manamorphose? Just thinning?

xmage

>Always been hesitant to break into eternal formats because of the price
>Find a list for modern Elves that costs like 15-20 tix
>Try it and it does decently well in casual play online
And here I was thinking I'd have to pay hundreds. I might try Cascade Balance next, looks neat.

>>51797363
you can. just play rug instead of grixis since it's way better at tempo
though i think you'll find that tron is so redundant and consistent that trying to interact with it is usually worse than trying to race it

>>51785322
Finished at 9-5-1

>>51797700
>Cascade Balance
Would not recommend. I played it for awhile. Very very bad deck

>>51792506

>added the death barons and collected companys

damn I'm impressed anon

>>51796279

I play a really meme loam deck that just uses the engine for control and wins with spellweaver helix (had an old build that focused on turbo milling yourself with glimpses and hedron crabs, now Im trying a more stable build with gifts)

Thoughts on this rough sketch of an idea?

>>51797855
Aww

Any recommendations for a new modern player on a budget? I like synergy more than raw power, if that helps. Or I could just improve my Elf deck.

>>51798060

good idea!

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>>51798060
weird, the image didn't upload.

>>51798064

Get xmage
Put in Tron, Jund, Affinity, Fish, Bant Eldrazi, Grixis Delver, Cheeri0s, and Scapeshift

Try every deck a few times and see what you like

>>51798079

It's shit

>>51798079
I'd drop the temple bells, howling mines, and posts, just seem bad. Maybe replace the posts with other mana rocks and different draw effects for the mines and bells

>>51798119
Thanks anon, how do we make it less shit while preserving the overall combo?

>>51798131
What combo is that exactly?

>>51798128
I've considered some arrangement of cards like pic related too.

>>51798142
Thopter Foundry/Sword to stall, and eventually go infinite with Time Sieve.

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>>51798168
computer pls. upload images the first time

>>51798168

If you're making 5 thopters a turn odds are you're winning that game anyways and the combo is a win more. Just try and build into a tezzerator shell.

>>51798233

And fun fact, tezzerator runs time sieve as a one of.

>>51797085
The only hard part to Death Shadow Zoo is knowing what color to fetch on turns 1, 2 and three. Stop deluding yourselves.

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thoughts on this idea list?
Am I doing this land base correctly?
I still have 2 mb slots open, would collective brutality or leak be the better way to go ?

>>51799170
You probably want more lands, even with Serum Visions

You want all 4 Paths before any Pushes

Swap one Gideon for an Elspeth, K-E

Three Snappy might be one too many

Tas is bad without Thought Scour

You don't want to run any counters in the main because you're actually a midrange deck. Removal and discard all the way.

When you put counters in the side it should probably be Negate

4 Verdicts in the 75 seems like a good idea

Try to squeeze in 4 manlands, maybe a 2/1/1 split with mostly Tar Pits

>>51799242
I'm retarded and forgot to add the 2 shambling vents in the mainboard

>>51799170
Collective Brutality is the way to go. There is no better feeling than using it to kill a goblin guide, get a mini lightning helix, and take the opponents Boros Charm. The look of defeat on your opponents face will be worth every penny you spend on the card.

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>>51780742
Here ya go. Reliquary tower, a couple red/blue lands like spirebluff and steam vents, people can get fooled as to what you're playing at first. I run this and Zombie hunt, I almost always win game one, since nobody honestly expects this deck.

>>51773649
I tried running like 2-3 in my sb for a while, and it worked out pretty well. That is until the bans hit and everyone around me started playing cheerios, so now the thoughtseizes are replaced with chalice of the void.

>>51798064
Mono blue tron.

Only expensive card in the whole deck is the land that brind your artifacts back for that sweet Mindslayer lock.

>>51801537
Is there any good reason to run Mono blue instead of UW?

>>51801990
Well he wanted a budget deck and UW requires some expensive shit in it.

But overally I wouldn't play UW, not my type of deal, personally prefer and play G/W tron.

Infect players faces are priceless when I drop blessed alliance :^)

What happens if I imprint Blessed Alliance or Collected Brutality to Isochron Scepter?

I can cast their additional modes for basically free? Or only one?

also new thread when?

>>51794104
anyone?

>>51802213
6/8/2016: Because you’re already casting the spell using an alternative cost (by casting it without paying its mana cost), you can’t pay any other alternative costs for the card. You can pay additional costs, such as kicker costs. If the card has any mandatory additional costs, you must pay those.

Why is WotC so scared of releasing good token generators?

Creatures are getting progressively stronger and the only good token generator since the Innistrad Block was Twin, and it wasn't even a conventional token generator. And it got banned.

>>51802234
>What is Voice of Resurgence
>What is Gideon
>What is Elspeth
>What is Master of Waves
>What is Monastery Mentor
>What is Pack Rat
>What is Secure the Wastes

>>51802321
I don't see how any of those, except Monastery Mentor, are better than Lingering Souls.

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>>51802392
>Voice of resurgence
>worse than Mentor

So no one here seems to have mentioned that Lantern Control won GP Brisbane. What are everyone's thoughts?

>>51802495
Ban 8th/9th edition

>>51802495
Opal ban is pretty much inevitable now desu.

>>51802321

>master of waves
>only virtual card advantage because you get 5 or 6 for 1d if he gets removed

>voice of resurgence
>a bear in many matchups

>mentor
>can/will die before it gives you value

>pack rat
>costs you cards, so tokens aren't advantage, just value conversion

The only really good one on your list is Elspeth and she costs 6 mana. Lingering souls is head and shoulders above almost everything else for effective token generation (as card advantage)

>>51802743
Nope. cheeri0s is actually better without Opal, you're just going to improve the deck. Meanwhile, Affinity, a deck that has consistently been at the top of the meta for forever, just like Splinter Twin, is unplayable without Opal, and Wizards, in its desire to preserve the status quo of the meta and prevent the format for rotating, will never, ever, ever ban Opal. Despite it meeting all the same criteria that eventually lead up to Chrome Mox being banned. Opal, like Sol Ring in commander, is absolutely a cornerstone of Modern and necessary for the format's health.

>>51803060
>cheeri0s is actually better without Opal,
What in the fuck are you talking about

>>51803060
>deck is staple of the format
>the deck is very positive for the format's health
>the deck must have this card to be able to compete

You could have said all of that about Twin, and it got banned, dude. And it wasn't fast mana, it was a fucking 4 mana creature enchantment. Again, a 4 mana aura was too good for the format. Face it, nothing is safe in Modern.

>>51803060

>with opal
>use retract
>play opal
>use retract
>play opal

>without opal
>use retract
>play paradise mantle
>???
>scoop

>>51803083
It's quite simple anon: Mox Opal is a crutch, but actually holds back cheeri0s deckbuilding. Wizards, having extensively tested all varieties of the deck long ago, know that by banning Mox Opal, they'd force cheeri0s players to adapt and move onto the far more powerful Simian Spirit Guide (spoiled for the protection of the meta), which would usher in a new Combo Winter.

>>51803060
>Wizards isn't interested in artificial rotation to spice things up and sell boosters

How about the Twin ban before the PT that was clearly just to sell Eldrazis for the new, hot Eldrazi deck?

>>51803193
>wizard
>testing cards

Atleast it's clear you don't know what you're talking about.

>>51803149

>G
>1/1
>double strike
>your opponent cant gain life
>damage from this creature doesn't heal
>creatures lose a point of power per damage taken from this creature

>1U
>all those things but unblockable

>all those things on blinkmoth Nexus

>none of these cards are banned

Face it, modern is safe.

>>51803193

>ssg
>doesn't let you play puresteel paladin
>Can only play a t1 srams and use it for grapeshot later

How do you plan on retracting?

>>51803288
Obviously Paradise Mantle. It's about 10000% more efficient than Mox Opal. Spoiled to keep the secret out, do not look unless you vow to never let the cheeri0s players know, lest we have combo winter again.

>>51803149
The reason why Twin was banned was because all Blue Decks had to use Red in order to use Twin, since not using was a major disadvantage.
It wasn't a very appealling ban, more Blue Decks appeared, in other words, Twin was limiting Blue, into always forcing it's use.
If you Ban Mox Opal, you simply remove a Deck, Mox isn't limiting an Artefact Deck, it actually is creating (Affinity, Latern and now Cherri0s).
Twin ban was a mistake, but you must understand, it was a completely different reason, one only allowed one type of Blue Deck, other creates new Decks.

>Pod was banned, and I didn't say anything because I didn't play Pod
>Twin was banned, and I didn't say anything because I didn't play Twin
>Probe was banned, and I didn't say anything because I didn't play that faggoty card
>tfw this time they're coming for Opal and my Affinity deck, and there's no one by my side because, honestly, I'm a bit of a cunt

Seriously, I think there's a greater than 50% chance that Wizards will ax Opal in March, and I'm thinking about selling my cute artifacts.

>>51803395
You might as well. Everyone thinks there's a good chance besides delusional cheeri0s players, and there's going to be a crash in price before the banning.

>>51803350
>It wasn't a very appealling ban, more Blue Decks appeared, in other words, Twin was limiting Blue, into always forcing it's use.
Maro, this makes no sense. There was much more non-Twin blue in the format when Twin was around because those decks, Delver and control flavors, had very good Twin matchups. Now, even with AV, blue is pretty much dead.

>>51803323

>paradise mantle
>on a creature whos summoning sick
>need lightning greaves to use it
>???

>>51803395
>I think there's a greater than 50% chance that Wizards will ax Opal in March

Meme magic at work. Someone is trying to meme the opal ban into reality.

>>51803553
Look, I don't deal in weird theory crafting magic. I'm dealing with facts. And the fact is that Paradise Mantle+Simian Spirit Guide is so far and above Mox Opal that banning Mox Opal would be pointless. Which is why clearly, wizards wouldn't do it, despite mox opal meeting every ban criteria.

>>51764559
Get two welcome decks and upgrade them

>tfw my opal funposting is coming back to haunt me
>people actually want to ban it
With the git probe banning I wouldn't put it past wizards to actually do it, even though affinity and lantern aren't a problem and cheerios folds to literally any interaction.

Why do they literally have to ban something every couple of months, modern isn't on the pt and we just lost more tournaments so why can't they fuck off from the monthly bannings?

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Treefolk will be considered Tier 1 by the end of the year.
Screencap this.

>>51804479
Considering wizards prints new cards with no regard for how they will affect the format, this was inevitable

>>51804580
they could either ban one of the paladin effects or retract though since banning the engines is historically what they do, banning opal just on the basis of hurting other decks is just retarded even though I could see wotc doing it.

"we needed an opal ban because people are sick of affinity and hate lantern"-wotc.

>>51804632
Don't you remember the Eye of Ugin ban? The reason Wizard's chose it was because it hurt tron just slightly, in addition to stopping eldrazi winter.

A mox opal ban would knock down lantern, a deck everyone hates, and justifably lower affinity a bit, while at the same time completely fucking cheeri0s over without banning the engine.

it's the perfect ban, and the chances wizards does it are 99%.

>>51804961
it would kill affinity, not knock it down just a bit and lantern might not even be functional without opal.

It's a retarded ban that's only being perpetuated by memers that get their fee fees upset by affinity and lantern.

Also mox doesn't dominate the format or contribute to a busted deck like eye of ugin so that's a very different situation

>>51804994
>or contribute to a busted deck
How could one person be so delusional

>>51805003
if you think affinity, lantern or cheerios are even on the same level as eldrazi during Eye of ugin then you're delusional not me.

>inb4 affinity is busted and needs a ban

>>51805034
Cheeri0s is busted because it can consistently combo by turn 3.

>>51783607
post tournament report here or on mtgsalvation

>>51805245
>consistently
>folds to literally any interaction
It is less than 1% of the meta and hasn't done well in GP van or GP Brisbane. There's a reason no one is playing it and it's because it's still a meme deck.

>>51805308
also not to mention the fizzle rate for the deck is pretty high if you try to go off early

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>>51805245
>Cheeri0s is busted
Go troll somewhere else.

>>51764559

U/B improvise (0 CMC version)