Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

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First post claims this thread for the XVIIth!

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Second for deathwing waddlers

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third for nobz in a naut

>>51757435
About to start painting mine from the Dark Vengence park. Never painted a terminator before, any tips?

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Should I run a razorback in the Demi Company for ObSec, or in the 1st company Taskforce for hilarious tank shocks?

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>my list is so shit it broke the listbuilder

kek, doesn't show the 5th chosen in the 2 squads because they have lascannons and apparently there's no pic for that.

going for a casual chaos warband, any loadouts I should change that would be a lot better? haven't decided on alpha legion or black legion rules for these guys yet (not painted as either)

Tyranids are a worthless NPC race.

>>51758989
Kek, driver pointing his pistol at the Sarge
>Fuck you, sir, for forgetting to come to my tea party. Instead of dainty cupcakes, you shall taste only death!

Just bought a box of Deathwatch veterans. How should i kit them out?

Ok I'm confusing myself about weapons crews. Specifically the Rapier. Does one marine have to physically be on the back of the Rapier or can he hide behind cover so long as he's no more than 2 inches away? I've never used anything that requires a crew to operate.

>>51760210
How exactly are you taking two Vindicators in a Chaos Warband?

>>51760424
>"Let's see who's the 'losers of the 8th company' now"
>Land Speeder vs. Assault Marine civil war

>>51760471
Nothing but bolters and shotguns, a couple of Frag Cannons or Infernus Heavy Bolters, and maybe a power weapon on the sergeant. At the end of the day they're still just T4, 3+ save bodies. Stacking unnecessary wargear onto them just means you lose more whenever a model dies.

>>51758076
Old memes the dankest

>>51760569
didn't notice that

bah whatever I'll just make it a CAD. in that case replace the chaos lord with a ML2 sorcerer + spell familiar

>>51758989
>Melee race
>BS 3

>>51760818
The lascannons on Chosen are still absolute shit. They have to stay still to fire at normal BS, which is not what the rest of the squad wants. Leave them barebones or go full on 5 meltas/plasmas

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I'm absolute trash at listbuilding, is this going to be okay for casual play or is it absolute shit? Pls halp

1000/1000
Emperor's Children
All units have VotLW if they can take it (free + mandatory)
HQ
>Sorceror (140) - ML2, MoS, Sigil of Corruption, Spell Familiar, Force Sword
Troops
>Noise Marines (217) - Icon of Excess, Rhino with Dirge Caster, 5x Noise Marines with additional CCW, Noise Champion with Doom Siren and Power Sword
>Noise Marines (172) - Icon of Excess, Rhino, 4x Noise Marines with Sonic Blaster, Noise Champion (stock)
*Sorceror goes with this unit so both have 6 dudes, because hurr durr muh number of Slaanesh
Fast
>Bikers (146) - MoS, Icon of Excess, 2x Meltagun, Champion with Combi-Melta and Melta Bombs
>Raptors (200) - MoS, Icon of Excess, 2x Plasma Pistol, 4 Raptors, Champion with Plasma Pistol, Power Axe, Melta Bombs
Heavy
>Maulerfiend (125) - Magma Cutters and Power Fists

There's probably way too many points in the Raptor squad but I couldn't think of what to do with the last 20 points so I just threw a Melta Bomb and Power Axe in there lel

>>51760541

They just have to be in unit coherency.

>>51760884
true, but I have noticed that a lot of my opponents come to me anyway (play against dark angels, space wolves, orks, IG vet spam) so I figure I'll just chill first turn with my chosen and shoot lascannons from the rhino hatches. those + the havocs and helbrute give me basically the equivalent of 2 lascannon havoc squads to shoot first turn, so I should be able to wreck some vehicles as they're coming for me assuming LoS shenanigans aren't too bad. then turn 2 or 3 I can pop out and fire the rest of the squad, snapshots on disembark suck but w/e.

without that I have no long range shooting other than scooting my vindis up 6" and getting a shot into something within 24". not doing anything meaningful first turn really sucks.

>>51760907
I don't think you've got enough models. You're looking at less than 25 infantry, a couple of Rhinos and a Walker. IMO I'd cut some of the upgrades and try to bulk things out a bit. The plasma pistols can go, for example. And personally I wouldn't take a Power Axe on a character, since he's liable to be taken out before he can strike in a challenge.

>>51760977

The problem is that the Raptors seem pretty useless without some sort of special weapon, but I guess I can give them flamers. That's way cheaper.

>And personally I wouldn't take a Power Axe on a character, since he's liable to be taken out before he can strike in a challenge

EC characters always get to hit once even if they die at a higher initiative step. But yeah I guess 1 hit with a Power Axe isn't worth 15 points. Thanks, anon, I'll work on fixing it.

>>51760972
If you decide to go Alpha Legion, your Chosen and CSM are Infiltrating, meaning they can be in plasma rapidfire or even melta range T1

>>51760977
>>51761037

New version of list:
>drop Sorceror's Sigil of Corruption
>drop Combi-Melta from Biker Champion
>drop Plasma Pistols, Axe and Icon of Excess from Raptors

>change Raptors squad #1 to: Raptors (120) - 2x Flamer, MoS, Champion with Melta Bombs
>add Raptors squad #2: Raptors (115) - 1x Flamer, MoS, Champion with Melta Bombs

That added 5 more Jump Infantry and some templates. So the new total is:
>12 infantry
>2 rhinos
>10 jump infantry
>3 bikers
>1 walker

Still pretty low numerically but maybe better? Lots of ignores cover and templates, probably acceptable amount of anti-tank maybe(?), bit of psychic phase stuff, a bunch of fast stabby guys.

>>51761126
I'd say that looks better, yeah. It'll run afoul of some lists, but should be able to handle itself pretty well against most opponents.

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>>51760634
>Gork/Morkanaughts
>Old memes

Kids these days.

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Rate me, lads.

>>51761160

That's alright, good enough for me. Thanks for the input, anon.

Now I've just got to figure out how to build 11 Noise Marines without buying 4 of GW's stupid $20 head pack that only comes with one head anyway. kek. I'm pretty sure I've seen some nice 3rd party bits around so I'll go look for that. The 5x Sonic Blaster 1x Blastmaster pack isn't too expensive either and I guess that will cover the weapons part.

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I hate to be a spamming faggot but one last question for this thread. Can anyone identify the bit at the top (Mr. Skellington there)? It's the nicest Doom Siren conversion I've seen but I don't recognize what it's from

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Book 4 of Gathering Storm centers around Tau. New Vespid HQ, new Kroot HQ, and Squats kits return.

>>51761528
Bad news, there's only 3 Gathering Storm books.

Whatever comes next won't be titled Gathering Storm.

>>51758681
remember to thin your paints

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>>51761603
>>51761603
also don't forget to pin your taints

>>51761528
After getting sidelined during the fall of my own damn planet I would be livid to see the Blue Man Group steal the spotlight now.

>>51758989
>the battle of santa fe

>>51761528
>Squats kits return.
you mean Demiurg ?

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This guy comes up and smacks your warlord's ass
What do you do?

>>51761894
>2+/3++ Chapter Master

Oh ho! A slap fight is it? Well two can play at this game!

>7 turns later

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>>51761894
Give him all the D's.

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1850pts WSs

HQ - 265
125 Kor'sarro Khan
25 Moondraken
150

65 Librarian
0 Force Weapon – Axe
25 Level 2 Mastery
20 Hunter's Eye
5 Melta Bombs
115

ELITES – 260
90 Space Marine Command Squad
15 Apothecary
35 Bikes
40 Storm Shield x4
30 Lightning Claw x2
50 Power Fist x2
260

TROOPS – 570
63 Bike Squad [1]
42 Additional Bikes x2
30 Grav-gun x2
10 Combi-Grav (Sergeant)
145

63 Bike Squad [2]
42 Additional Bikes x2
30 Grav-gun x2
10 Combi-Grav (Sergeant)
145

63 Bike Squad [3]
42 Additional Bikes x2
20 Meltagun x2
10 Combi-Melta (Sergeant)
5 Melta Bombs (Sergeant)
140

63 Bike Squad [4]
42 Additional Bikes x2
20 Meltagun x2
10 Combi-Melta (Sergeant)
5 Melta Bombs (Sergeant)
140

FAST ATTACK – 265
110 Stormtalon Gunship
5 Skyhammer Missile Launcher
115

110 Stormtalon Gunship
5 Skyhammer Missile Launcher
115

35 Drop Pod
35

HEAVY SUPPORT – 350
165 Centurion Devastator Squad
75 Grav-Cannon and Grav-Amp x3
10 Omniscope (Sergeant)
250

100 Thunderfire Cannon
100

Detachment - 140
140 Culexus Assassin
140

Khan goes in Command Squad, while Libby joins the Cents in the Drop Pod. 2 squads of bikes with melta, another 2 with Grav. Stormtalons are AA and anti-light tank. Thunderfire is for blob control, and slowing things down. Assassin for trolling.
Haven't played in a year, so not sure if the list is competitive anymore, this is what I own; open to getting more things if needed.

>>51758989
I forgot how shit-but-endearingly-so the old models were

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Is it odd to want to include more than one Warpsmith in your army for his Master of Mechanisms ability?

Also, is his ability to cause a "gets hot" for a units guns useful for charging? Like you do it to a Tau unit you're about to charge and they lose a few Fire Warriors to Gets Hot on Overwatch?

Every formation I want to use has a Warpsmith in it and he seems pretty useful, if limited in mobility.

>>51761894
Attacking first hits on 4s, wounds on 3s, pens my armour. 3 wounds, 5 up invuln
On the swingback hitting on 2s, wounding on 2s, penning armour. +1 attack for being slapped first

Depends on your dice slinging skills

>>51761747
They manage to pull Cadia out of warp thanks to the damocles inferno.

>>51762166
Congratulations, they rescued some huge chunks of molten rock, possessed by daemons.

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Let's get the thread rolling.
Describe an army, legion, chapter, faction, etc. with an unrelated, obscure picture and anons try to guess it.

Hardmode: No using images of literal shit for Orks, Nids, CSM, etc.

I'll start.

>>51762177
They still own more of Cadia than the cadians.

>>51762213
>CSM
>shit

Pick one.

What's the cultural or historical inspirations behind the Iron Hands?

>>51762213
Emperor's Children, more specifically Noise Marines.

>>51761494
my guess is a generic Skelly with some sculpted on hair and caster. that head is clearly sculpted.

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>>51762213
I'll start

>>51760387
>"I_don't_like_thing!.jpg

>>51762241
Nice.

>>51762238
I have to include it for the mandatory CSMbabbies who can't accept they got a decent AND fluffy supplement.

>>51761894
>Slanesh fistclaw lord with IoE biker retinue.

I cant feel a thing, HARDER YOU PANSY!!!!

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>>51762213

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>>51762213

>>51762114
Warpsmith's curse only works on vehicles. Page 34, CSM codex.

The appendix retardedly forgets to mention this so people who just reference that might think they can curse any unit, but the verbose explanation on the warpsmith's full page says only vehicles.

>>51762268
Celestine?

>>51762269
Deldar ?

>>51762269
Tyranids?

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R8 H8 & apprec8

>>51762284
Not quite, but close.

Falls in the same niche.

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>>51762213
Is this cheating?

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>>51762213

>>51762114
>>51762272
the warpsmith entry in that book is all kinds of retarded.

master of mechanisms gives him a 5+ to repair vehicles, but if you look under the mechatendrils description it says (paraphrase) "if the warpsmith is equipped with mechatendrils, add +1 to his repair ability" but warpsmiths ALWAYS have mechatendrils as their basic wargear so . . . they always repair on a 4+. why the hell would they say "if" and not just include that in his entry? oh wait I know because the codex is written by a massive faggot. they apparently intended to make mechatendrils optional but then never actually changed the wording when they made it base wargear.

>>51762286
>>51762294
Not xenos

>>51762239
I think they were inspired by some guys who had pretty strong hands, if I remember correctly.

>>51762335
Nurgle Daemons?

>>51762303
Freebootaz

>>51762357
Nope, not Nurgle.

>>51762269
Blud rehvens

>>51762268
Hospitallers?

>>51762377
>77

Apparently it should be.

>>51762303
tomb kings

>>51762371
Eh, I'll give it to ya. I meant Orks in general but that's good enough.

>>51762239
There's a dry-cleaners in Nottingham staffed by amputees

>>51762388
Nope, not Hospitallers.

The icon itself has like half the solution directly depicted in it.

>>51762295
why is it two detachments?

>>51762268
templars?

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>>51762476
IMPERATOR VULT!
Yes.

>>51762253
Imperial Fists?

>>51762503
Actually i don't know, I just posted a random pictures from my folder to see what interpretation would be

>>51762388
They are indeed magpies

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>>51762494
W00T
my go

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>>51762541
Now that one's easy, anon.

Dark Angels/The Lion

>>51762519
Ya, I had no idea. If the comet was in an audio format it would have sounded like that strained answer when you're only 10% sure you're right but you gotta say something.

These fucking captchas are out of control

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>>51761161
> Was about to post some picture of an upsurdly well detailed picture of a female ultramarines captain
> Suddenly realized that I never saved it.
Fuck. I wish I had that picture now. Does anyone have it? It was a realist-cartoon picture of a female ultramarine captain with a red power fist and sword, wearing Artificer Armour, and being surrounded by a halo.

>>51762295
You need to clean your order up cause that's a mess.

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>>51762213
Not any of those, but it's a model.

>>51762467
More Hqs
>>51762588
How so? I followed the usual HQ, troop, fast attack, heavy support order

>>51762601
Dorito dreadnought

>>51762557
good lad, s'actually the first time I've seen his portrait. quite like the Article it come from "The Strange Afterlife of a Minor Poet"

"Poor Johnson. The ultimate indignity is that he lives on in the curious world of computer gaming. The poem above was one of the inspirations for the ‘Dark Angels’ chapter of the Space Marines in the Warhammer 40,000 fictional universe. I learn from Wikipedia that “The Dark Angels’ combat doctrine is centred around a tactically versatile force favouring the use of heavy plasma-based weapons”. Their ‘Primarch’ is called Lion El’Johnson.

Oh dear."

>>51762608
The dedicated transport button merges transports and their unit, makes it look much neater.


The way you have it is the Chimeras are all by themselves, from the fast attack slots.

>>51762601
Gulliman.

>>51762295
Can't take a heavy flamer if you're taking two other special weapons.

>>51762631
Ah, thank you. I usually use battlescribe.

>>51762612
That was fast. Correct!

>>51762625
Yeah, gets mentioned surprisingly often. I'm studying English Studies and even heard that fact mentioned there.

>>51762640
Thats not true, unless its been Faq'd or errata'd

>>51762608
PCS is a Troop, your Infantry Squads need to be together.
The advisors should be separate.
Valk can carry Max 12 so if that's a 10 man + Commissar + Priest that's a waste of good buff models.

If you want a guardstar, take Conscripts. 3pts/model and they're going to do just as well as normal guardsmen. The only reason to run a Guardsmen death star is if you want/need 3-6 power weapons.

>>51761894
Oh my warlord's ass is THICC. Also one of her Geminae intercepts the slap with her own ass. You gotta slap harder to get to her you pussiboi!

>>51762663
I'm retarded, I've been reading that wrong this whole time.

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>>51762640
pretty sure you can

>>51762678
>tries to just slap your warlord's ass
>gets a foursome
Why is the Visarch such a fucking pimp?

>>51761894
I mean, he probably beats a Warboss with a PK in melee, so not much.

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>>51762213
ill start with an easy one

>>51762709
And when he finally gets one of the side-hoes off and goes to bang the other, the hoe just springs back the fuck up! No rest for the pimps.

>>51762625
>"Poor Johnson. The ultimate indignity is that he lives on in the curious world of computer gaming. The poem above was one of the inspirations for the ‘Dark Angels’ chapter of the Space Marines in the Warhammer 40,000 fictional universe. I learn from Wikipedia that “The Dark Angels’ combat doctrine is centred around a tactically versatile force favouring the use of heavy plasma-based weapons”. Their ‘Primarch’ is called Lion El’Johnson.
>Oh dear."

Indignity? Johnson would be happy at having an army of beefy dudes for himself.

>>51762738
>chicks literally pushing each other away just to get his big, mighty sword shoved deep into them

I wish I was this fucking popular.

>>51762709
>Visarch
>pimp

He's basically #1 friend zone cuck.

>>51762747
The only indignity in that statement is that they claim that he lives on in computer gaming when there's not even a Dark Angels computer game.

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Here is my list i made today with the my small collection of Chaos Nurgle marines and daemons after being gone for 2 years. Tell me what im doing wrong.

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>>51762774
Wat.

>>51762335
Imperial Knights?

>>51762794
That article is from 2011.

>>51762774
Yeah I noticed that.
I'll assume the Author's probably not an autistic virgin and thought he'd get away with it.

>>51762805
YES

>>51762834
I honestly just don't know how the author got the connection of 40k being video games if even googling immediately shows that it's not a video game franchise.

>not being an autistic virgin
Fucking normies, I swear.

>>51762747
an entire legion to guilt-fuck

>>51762782
Not enough spawn swarms.

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>>51761935
Pic of the army, easier to see.
Same 1850pts goodness.

>>51762782
>1 point over

>>51762928
lol I'm not driving out to some fucking tournament this is for casual games.

>>51762946
Doesn't matter to these guys, prepare to be REEE'd at.

I currently own 2 Land Raiders and play Black Templars.

I should probably just pick up a third and use them for a Spearhead if I want to play them fluffy, right? Will I even need extra Rhinos if I have 3 freaking Land Raiders to get my shit into melee range?

>>51762946
To be fair, if it's just a casual game you shouldn't need list advice anyways. Just throw shit on the table and blow things up.

Does anyone think i could use Dark Angels as Chaos space marines because we all know Lion was a heretic anyway

>>51762946
Point limits aren't suggestions. Just fix it.

>>51762721
Emperors Children?

>>51762977

Are you literally autistic?

>>51762975
I don't see why not but I'm not sure what benefit you'd get.

I'm waiting for TGS3 before looking at DA again, I'm hoping there'll be a decent Fallen formation or something. I'd be nice if they gave the angels access to some of the cool SM units or at least fixed the over costing of DW and flyer units but I wont hold my breath

So Battle Brothers can't start emarked in each other's transports.

Units in the same detachment can start embarked in each other's transports.

Units in two detachments with the same faction CAN start embarked on each other's transports.

So an SM Captain can only get in that Sororitas Rhino if he's in a Castellans detachment...

Who wrote this shit?

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>>51762977
does this make u happy

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KDK questions here.

What's the best way to get berzerkers stuck in? Run or drive a rhino? Never played an assault army before.

The possessed tax, keep them five man and use for blood titthe or does the mark of khorne and daemon or khorne combo make them enough not shit to be worth adding some more beef to the squad and expect it to kill shit?

>>51763058
> Units in the same detachment can start embarked in each other's transports
> Can take Space Marines and Chimeras in a Castellans
Well shit, I guess there's nothing at all stopping me from just putting my Tactical Squads in the vastly superior Chimera instead of a Rhino.

>>51763058
I don't think that second line is correct

>>51763080
I don't think there is a good way outside of the new World Eaters legion stuff. Free 2d6 move on the first turn combined with Talisman of Burning Blood makes turn 1 assaults easy.

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>>51762213

>>51763092
>Blood Angels! It is good we have you brothers, I see you've brought your renowned fast Rhinos. When shall we embark for the assault?

>I don't know, but I know you're not riding with me!

>>51763161
Seeing how machines spirits work in 40k, their Rhinos probably just dont like the other guys.

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What is a good hammer and anvil 3000 point list for IG. I want a solid defensive line that can go to ground (Commissars) and also have an insulin just in case. Basically I want a hard to kill frontline with decent equipment so they aren't just meat shields. After that a line of tanks that is good mix of AI and AT then a good amount of Artillery for 3k points. Any recommendations or lists?

>>51763110
Emperor's Children?

>>51763081
sure I guess but you'd have to take a unit that can take the chimera as a transport as a tax.

I think the point of the castellans detachment is that it's a last ditch defence and they're sharing resources so I don't see it as a problem. You can field SM and MT transports(apart from drop pods) without the tax too if that's what you're into

>>51762295

what army builder is that??

>>51763187
yes

>>51763184
Was thinking of bringing Azreal ally for a blob.

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>>51762213

>>51762303
Obvious answer is Orks but I'm gonna say Genestealer Cult

>>51763236
Imperial Guard

>>51763213
im Smart

What's a good alternative to Army Painter Anti-shine varnish? Shit's like $13 a can and mine just broke...

>>51763184
Vets will make good front line troops (camo cloaks will give them a 3+ behind a defensive line and they can take 3 specials and a heavy weapon with BS4). The artillery formation is one of the best formations the guard have and the emperor's fist tank company is pretty good too.

>>51763264
Whats the comparison between steel host and emperor's fist.

>>51763001
nope

>>51763257
Nope.
Take the image more literal.

>>51763279
the tech priest in the emperor's fist makes the enemy roll 2 dice pick the lowest when rolling on the damage table if he is nearby one of your russes.

>>51763298
Inquisition?

>>51763315
Nope

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Decent Killteam?

>>51763349
>not just a single squad of terminators
sasuga

>>51763351
you cant use termies in kill team

>>51763368

True. Termies are HoR only, currently.

>>51763351
Wait, can you take Terminators is Kill Team now?

>>51761894
>farseer on a bike
If he caught her then... die I guess.

>>51763377
no

>>51763368
>>51763377
You can in Heralds of Ruin. And yet despite that it's somehow better balanced than the geedubs KT's, because everyone actually has the ability to deal with termies. My own HOR kill-team is purpose built to eat 2+ teams like fucking candy.

>>51761894
Hah, good luck even finding an ass on my Tech-Priest! He's ascended past having useless lumps of fat on his body!

>>51763107
This. World Eaters are a bit RNG now because you either get a Turn 1 charge and have fun caving in heads and generally keep the momentum up to sweep through the enemy army, or fuck up your rolls and make weakened charges after getting blasted by a shooting phase that leads to tarpit melees.
>nothing stopping you from taking an allied Cabal for the buffs and psychic fuckery Khorne actually kinda needs

>>51763396
>useless
Try sitting down, Cogboy

>>51761894
My Warlord strikes back at initiative step 6 with 5 power sword attacks.

I actually have no idea what that eldar dude's statline and equipment is.. Does he have eternal warrior? Does he have AP2 at initiative or at I1?

Anyone have a link to the craft world eldar codex epub? I can only find the PDF in the op links.

Anyone else find it odd that they haven't had a Black Library collection novel series regarding the Gathering Storm? I know it isn't the (((End Times))) but you'd think they'd cash in the series more.

>>51761894
12 shots of TL S6 AP-

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>>51762213

>>51763469
Either Tau or Orks, both are
Melee races

>>51763486
Was thinking orks but either does fit haha

>>51763058
The second line is false.

>>51763407
>not hitching your spine to a gantry so you can support your entire skeleton independently
>he needs an ass to support that flabby torso
>lower back crushed between torso and his pelvis
>shoulders just sort of draped against the back of a chair, no support there at all
You will never know the level of comfort I operate at

>>51763080
Berzerkers are bad. Regular CSM are better than them, especially since you have to pay for the chainaxes.

Why did GW kill off KillTeam?

That was the best shit from 4th Ed.

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>>51763226
Reminds me of a list I have been considering. Azrael and that Salamander apothecary in a blob with priests and an inqusistor or two and some psykers. 50 man 4++ 4+ FNP, hymms out the ass, crazy inquisitor grenades and psychic buffs. Maybe Straken in a Chimera behind for furious charge and counter assault.

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>>51763538

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So for any bookfags out there, how are the newer Gaunts Ghost novels? Last one I read was Only in Death (the third omnibus) and while it felt a little strained at times, it was still a good time with the lads from Tanith, and I'm itching to know if the newer ones are as good if not better?

>>51763575
I actually quite enjoy Kill Team in 40k dry periods, the metas are vastly different, units/weapons that are sacks of shit in regular 40k are sometimes amazing in kill team.

>>51761894

>5 S6 Ap2 WS5 hits backed by a 3+/4++ save with eternal warrior

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>>51762088

Right? Found this in my old WH Codex

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Re:List, still looking for advice and a rate. I understand there is criticism about no Lords of War, but I think I can deal with them.

>>51763605
Just got done playing a game. My friends and I have been playing Heralds of Ruin because it gives us more variety and we always have a blast.

>>51762088
I actually kinda miss the original Nid models

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>>51762213

>>51763641
are you ever actually going to play a 3.5k game?

>>51763641
You'll probably want to commit honourable sedoku by the start of the second turn, as you'll realise that everyone you know will die of age while you move forward spouting some nonsense about "Bodies over bullets"

Take less models or at least transports

>>51763700
Konrad Curze/Night Lords?

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Still looking for advice on my list.

Comments, feedback, and recommendations for changes are appreciated.

>>51763669

I'm trying to get people into 40k, so I'm sticking to GW KT because I don't want to have to teach people new rules and then have them wonder why those rules aren't there anymore.

>>51763262
Anyone?

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>>51763734

>>51763704
Yes, me and my friends own a lot of models. Plus I can make a lot of different lists out of this list for smaller point games.

>>51763724
Laffed.

But I'll probably use trays for blobs so it's not cancerous.

>>51763630
That really brings me back. I got the Witch Hunters codex when it first came out when I was like 14. I had so much fun back then. I was having a blast using Penitent Engines and Karamazov.

I should use them again today.

>>51762347
Didn't you get the memo

We not allowed to complain now

>>51763797
>Movement trays
>in 40k
Get lost

>>51763080
Karbydis

>>51763814
You expect me to move all 250+ models by hand?

>>51763797
I've definitely seen guys do it effectively, but it's always going to be a pain. Do you do what you gotta do man

>>51763842
I don't expect you to run such a retarded list in a 3.5k game.

>>51763855
Constructive criticism is always appreciated. Why is it 'retarded'?

>>51763783
well fair enough, I've not played games that big. I can see any thing intrinsically wrong with your list other than the single heavy weapons in each platoon. They're not going to be adding much individually so you might want to consider pulling them into a heavy weapons squad (with three of the same weapon) so that they can focus down a target. I don't have any experience with blob guard though so my advice might not be worth much

man why are mail/delivery services still such dogshit in 2017

I never used to purchase much stuff online but now I buy bits from ebay etc. and I hate online shopping because delivery sucks 200 proof dick. if it's not some retard giving your stuff to your nigger neighbor who will just take it, to them leaving things it on the doorstep for your nigger neighbor to just take it, it's them saying the delivery happened when it didn't and nobody knows where it's at. it seems absurd to me that in the *current year* delivery services aren't "you get what you pay for" they're "lmao you paid to gamble, good luck kid". it feels like I'm living in the Bad Old Days where everything was retarded and infrastructure still hadn't passed the "package delivery actually works" stage. in future generations kids will be awed with tales of how shit package delivery was, it will seem archaic to them.

reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>51763872
Another anon, but I can only imagine it being retarded because of it being time consuming. That many bodies can always be effective. I personally never run any higher than 100 in my games because it's draining and boring. I usually do 2 30 man blobs pushing the field, but then I do 1500-2000 not 3500.

>>51763933
That's why I would bring trays, doing anything else would be selfish and stupid.

>>51763743
I understand that. You can help them get their feet wet with Kill Team since that the most he'll have 2 unless they have their sights on Orcs or Guard then it'll get a little crowded. After they get used to it and they aren't afraid to escalate things from there you can start going to 500+ point games.
No harm in just sticking with only Kill Team though, that's what my friends and me have been doing for a while now.

>>51763783
>>51763901 cont.
Also there's no anti air, don't know if you'e expecting any flyers but but If I were shelling out for a 3.5k army I'd probably get some

>>51763872
Who the fuck thinks it'd be fun to play a 3000+ game with 250+ bodies on a side. Fuck that waste of two days. In the time it takes you to finish that game, you could've played 4 at a reasonable point level.

>>51763960
This is just for big point games. This list is also easy to split into tinier ones.

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>>51763918
>report nigger neighbor to police
problems weren't

>>51763933
Agreed, I run apocaylpse events in my LGS, I've never seen an Imperial Guard player attempt to field more then 60 infantry models on the table at the same time (transports save everybody time). It's all about tanks yo.

Or you start making concessions, for instance, a chimera gets wrecked 1st turn in your deployment, no enemies within 48" that they can do anything to? Just remove them, they're gonna be a waste of time.

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>>51762213

>>51763918
I've literally never lost a package before, not even from the chinese

>>51763918
What pisses me off is that I live in a city so mail deliveries just don't fucking happen when I'm not at home to make sure I get it. I ordered Christmas presents for my family weeks in advance and not only did Amazon tell me that I won't get them til January, the damn mailman came to my apartment when I wasn't home, decided "eh, fuck it", and then sent my packages back and Amazon just refunded them with no word on my part. They don't even fucking try. At least UPS left a slip on my door saying that they tried to deliver it and to check where their drop box is online so I could go get it. USPS is garbage. I used to think private mailing corporations were retarded but when I got older I finally realized why they exist - the government's own mail system is so fucking awful that people would rather pay more to have their shit delivered and actually see it.

>>51763976
gee what an ideal situation, I would much rather do that than just get what I paid for

>>51763948
I think it's fine and would be fun to play against, but that's the only reason I could see someone saying it's retarded. I don't know how trays would work to be honest. There's lots of uneven ground and cover in this game.

>>51764007
Also I'm a little annoyed that they made the Emperor's Shield Company the Core choice for that detachment. It should have been the Emperor's Shield Platoon as the core choice.

>>51764007
Especially for the sheer amount of dudes he's trying to transport in them. That's gonna be some big trays he's gotta try and fit around terrain.

Oh god, I just realized that he's gonna have to literally roll hundreds of dice every shooting phase.

>>51763992
private services aren't really any better, UPS times their drivers by the second so if your shit is too much of a hassle to deliver they will just say fuck it we tried (they didn't) and mark it as pickup @ local UPS. you can read about drivers saying this on leddit.

basically delivery services are like printing technology, it sucks shit and barely works but everybody needs it so what can you do, there's no incentive to make it better.

>>51764034
like 500, just for his infantry

>>51764021
You can take an emperors fist company as the core instead... just thought I'd mention that

>>51764053
Yeah, but at least UPS actually puts it in a drop box for me to get. USPS will literally just refund the item if they can't deliver it. I mean yeah, the mailing system is irredeemable garbage, you're not wrong, but still, they at least allow me to get my damned package.

>>51764065
Yeah that's true, but both end up being like 950 points plus the HQ choice so you're not left with a lot of flexibility for that detachment outside of 2500 point games. I love the 24 inch orders and the re-rolling 1s for Lasguns. I guess I could just get Kurov's Aquila in a CAD.

Was there any updated with the lord of change rules for 40k, coinciding with the new larger model. The sigmar one got buffed.

>>51763575
>no longer available

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>>51762213

>>51764072
Usps should leave you an orange post card saying they tried to deliver but either required a signature or couldnt leave it safely, the following day you can pick up the item at your local post office. If it stays there 10, days i think they send it back to sender. I dont know what crazy city you live in but thats how it is in nyc

>>51763674
The HUG MEEE carnifex gen or the Aliens gen?

>>51764149
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Kill-Team-Rules-EPUB

>>51764177
the FW hive tyrant is the greatest model
fucking identical to the alien queen from aliens

>>51764177
the '93 era stuff

>>51764092
depends how valuable the detachment bonuses are I guess, you can run the formations outside of the detachment though so a CAD plus one of the formations isn't a bad shout, although you lose objective secured on most of the formations, but it's not like you'll be using tanks or artillery to hold objectives anyway

>>51763918
Just mail it to your grandmas house like I do. She never leaves home.

>>51764207
Yeah ive always wanted that one and its discontinued ebay sometimes has 1 but its usually ridiculously priced and i remember i have 2 hive tyrants and dont need another for an army i dont play anymore

>>51764221
yeah, the pissed of hugging 'fex and the hive tyrant that has a human skull face and the termagants that look like hairless capybaras with downs syndrome

>>51758989
>>51762088

Everything had to have red painted on it at least somewhere on the model back then.

>>51761528
GS has been confirmed as a trilogy, so stop talking out your ass.

And even if they did end up being the focus, why? Tau are only a main faction because GW wanted to cash in on the early 2000s anime craze. Even in-universe, they don't have a significant presence beyond the frontiers of their own little region of space. The focus so far has been on factions with galactic-scale influence.

>>51764264
They're pretty great, I know.
I even have the Doom of the Eldar board game because I love them so much.

Would you refuse games against 200+ troops

>>51761894
>smacks my warlord
>Smashfucker Prime
Smash that dainty Eldar fucker into the dirt.

>>51764321
You're goddamn right I would

>>51760907
Icon is too expensive for such small squads. I'd reccomend you to run the units in at least 12s instead (still 6+6) or drop icons completely at that pointslevel.

what are good chaos general colors for a soul grinder if I want to be loose about choosing patron gods between various matches?

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>>51762213

>>51764334
In 1850?

>>51764321
No, that sounds like a blast, but then I also have a lot of time and think it's fun. Some people don't want to spend a lot of time playing.

>>51764321
>>51764334
I detect great anger for my list.

>>51764321
No.
T: Knight Castigator.

Gimme a big hug motherfuckers.

>>51764372
>Not Acheron

>>51764321
Nah. Chances are if I voluntarily wanted to play a game with the points cost 200 troops requires, I would expect a big, long fight.

>>51764361
Especially at 1850. How the fuck do you even fit that many guys in at 1850? I play swarmy nids and I'd struggle to do that.

>>51764365
Not yours I'm asking for, this


1850 Renegades & Heretics: Vraks Renegade Unending Host

HQ
Renegade Command Squad
Arch Demagogue, master of the horde, covenant of nurgle, 4x Disciples

Troops
Renegade Infantry Platoon
20x PCS, Demagogue, x3 melta guns, chaos sigil, militia training, meltabombs
20x Infantry Squad, x3 plasma guns, chaos sigil, militia training, krak grenades
20x Infantry Squad, x3 plasma guns, chaos sigil, militia training

Renegade Infantry Platoon
20x PCS, Demagogue, x3 melta guns, chaos sigil, militia training, meltabombs
20x Infantry Squad, x3 plasma guns, chaos sigil, militia training, krak grenades
20x Infantry Squad, x3 plasma guns, chaos sigil, militia training

Renegade Infantry Platoon
15x PCS, Demagogue, x2 flamers, chaos sigil, melta bombs
15x Infantry Squad, x2 flamers, chaos sigil
15x Infantry Squad, x2 flamers, chaos sigil

20x Plague zombies

Fast Attack
6x Renegade Sentinels
autocannons, camo netting, militia training

Heavy Support
3x Rapier Laser Destroyers
extra crew, militia training

Lords of War
Renegade Baneblade

The baneblade gives the renegades fearless while getting a modifiable 3+ cover save (2+ for camo netting) while getting shot through an infantry squad. Whenever an infantry squad dies, on a roll of 2+ it returns to the game outflanking with extra movement. Getting plasma and melta across the board this way sounds really, really hilarious and honestly unstoppable. You pick your poison, do you want my special weapons to walk toward you or do you want to waste shooting and have them come back on your flanks?

>>51764382
>Tempest attack.

I played against ork army that had 4x30 boyz. Castigator went through them all. Tempest attack + conflagrate + stomps killed enough each time that orks auto-broke and knight ran them over.

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So I am looking at my old Steel legion troops and tossed together a quick list.

I haven't played in a while though did they nerf the Chimera to the point that it is shit again and you "must" buy the awful looking IG short bus?

>>51764395
Tbqh I can fit 100+ Space Marines at 1850. I have no doubt that Guard and Orks can fit 200+.

The owner of my local gw claims that the newest death from the skies supplement states that aircraft cannot deep strike anymore, I just went through the pdf and didn't find a single thing that mentioned aircraft deep striking.
Because the barracuda ax-5-2 was released after death from the skies, he allows it to deep strike reluctantly, but he does not allow any other aircraft with the deep strike rule to deep strike?
Is he wrong or did I miss something?
If I am right should I just take in the pdf and show the manager next time?

>>51764430
I wouldn't bother with Infantry Squads for Chimeras. I would make them Vets if they are in Chimeras. They get better ballistic skill and can take more weapons and options. You can give them a 4+ save too.

>>51764463
it's not gonna be a good or fun list

>>51764465
>using dfts
what a mistake

>>51764396
I'd enjoy playing against that list, but I'd enjoy playing against any list that isn't tailored against me.

>>51764395
My condolences

>>51764465
Unless they have the Deepstrike special rule, flyers by default cannot deepstrike.

>>51764430

Chimera got nerfed pretty hard after 5th edition, but I think it's still better because of its AV12 and Multi-las/Heavy Flamer combo.

IMO, Chimera work a lot better with Veterans. Infantry squads don't have the amount of punch to make them worth taking a 65-point transport.

>>51764486
we're not using it, since no ones else uses flyers, but I want to deep strike them to use against rear armour and he says they don't get deep strike, even though deep strike is never mentioned in dfts.

>>51764396
Fuck I hate this list so much. It's horse shit and super unfun to play against. Yeah, I'm real salty about it. This is an example of why so many people a hatred of Forgeworld rules. (I generally love FW stuff btw).

>>51764502
Where in the BRB does it say all flyers get to deepstrike?

Protip: It doesn't

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>>51764477
The photo is quite old, 2010 ish

I might run it as vets instead, though the point of the old list was to give every unit some kind of threat to the enemy so that there were no big obvious targets for them to focus on. Vet squads might eat up points fast.

>>51764494
Well that's what I said, but he doesn't allow any other flyers aside from the new barracuda to deep strike, so I am right?
That sounds great, time to drop remora drones to get free linebreaker.

>>51764520
I am talking about flyers with deep strike.
Of course shit without the rule doesn't get it, but the codex entry has deep strike.
The store owner says that even with the rule, flyers don't get to deep strike even if they have the rule, except for the new barracuda since it was released after dfts.

>>51764536
>barracuda ax-5-2
Maybe that's because it actually HAS THE DEEPSTRIKE SPECIAL RULE. you could have just googled it up, you trog.
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/fw_site/fw_pdfs/Warhammer_40000/Tau-Barracuda-AX-5-2-Expermimental-Rules.pdf

>>51764521

Looks like the makings of a good gunline army.
The Hellhound and Manticore are great units in any IG list.

>>51764521
They don't really eat up too many points since Vets are 60 points and Infantry Squads are 50 points. I think 10 points is worth the upgrade to BS4. You can keep their loadouts the same too, just a Missile Launcher and Grenade Launcher. It just might help to make sure they hit more often.

>>51764552
If a unit has the deep strike special rule, it can deep strike, I mean, that's common sense.

>>51764507
It's much more fun than playing against the other version being Ordnance Tyrant with 12 rapier lasers, wyverns, quad launchers, fire raptor, initiative seizing relic and full daemonology cheese with compulsory troops plugged with plague zombies

>>51763426
Search for Codex Craftworlds on torrentz2.eu. You'll find a torrent with all three formats (PDF, epub, mobi).

>>51763436
Going by some comments Dan Abnett made last year, Black Library is starting to move back to its roots a bit. A little less focus on blatant tie-ins to model releases, and more on original fiction told in GW's universes, like it was in the late '90s and 2000s. Probably why it's taken until now for the next Gaunt's Ghosts book to get a release date.

It seems a bit odd that there's no GS tie-ins after the last few years, but I'm kind of glad. I think the idea that BL's releases should mainly exist to accompany models was causing them to churn out a lot of meh-tier stuff, along with nickel-and-diming customers with endless short stories.

>>51764507
>implying white scars/eldar/tau are any more interesting or fun to play against

>>51764307
lol u mad

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>>51764553
see this
>>51764552
>>51764568
I am talking specifically about remora drones
pic related.
well the store owner claims that dfts says that they can't deep strike since flyers can't deep strike after dfts apparently.
I only see 3 mentions of deep strike, and 2 are in reference to imperium armies, 1 is related to necrons.
So I am right and remoras can deep strike, thanks guys!
I'll go use them and purposely deep strike them, after bringing the pdf and showing it to the owner.

>>51763575
>no longer available
fucking seriously, I never have enough money for anything, I finally get enough and it's fucking gone

>>51764656
it's in the mega, if you want the models, then tough luck, not like they're specifically special models, I mean they're cheaper but are you really buying it for both models?

>>51764654
Nah, being needlessly antagonistic is just fun.

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>>51764566
Best I can do at 1500

Still a lot of models but losing the command squads and the extra heavy bolters that came with them, and a unit of walkers kinda sucks.

Does double kustom mega blasta on a deff dread sound dumb enough to yield some laughs on occasion or nah?

>>51764672
I know but why pull it anyway? Unless they plan on making a newer set

>>51761603
and have a nice fine tip on ya brush

>>51764758
All box bundle are limited supply, except for the Start Collecting box which might last a little longer.

>>51764729
Just doesn't really bring anything at all at 1500 points, sorry.

>>51764758
well, it was one of the most popular kits since kill team was a great way to get into 40k
I'd guess maybe they're doing a dfts and releasing an eldar vs someone kill team box just like dfts had a chaos vs imperial, a tau vs crons and an ork vs eldar one. I'd guess with gathering storm that it'll be eldar vs chaos/orks/crons, probably crons since orks take up too much room, chaos will be against imperials.

>>51764656
>tfw my card shop has it non stick
>also bought BAC from him for $80

Not sure if he has a Gangs of Comm, but I legit want to pick it up.

>>51764729
What edition of 40k are you making this for? It can't be current..

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>>51764841
like i said i have not played in a while.

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Rate the list I'm currently building. Will I spread the glory of robbo skellington?

>>51764731
I would honestly not be mad if you somehow hit with both and say, took out a couple termies.

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>>51761894
Y-you too...

>>51765001
Hope you plan on cutting Plant of the Apes Caesar's head off that gorgeous model

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Reminder that Skitarii Princeps have meme-coils.
Praise the Omnissiah for the blessing of the mem.

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How does this seem for a kill team? GW, not HoR, because it's for an event at a GW store. I'm debating the usefulness of a Dozer Blade (I just like the aesthetics) and what weapons to give the Sentinel.

>>51765070
Fuck you idiot I like his head. I liked it so much in fact I added a topknot to it.

>>51765153
I'd sooner smear a cadian head through someone else's shit and glue it on than use that monkeighloidian trash that never even comes out in casts

anyone read the book blades of damocles?

>>51757379
Where's the other roster program?

>>51765180
o ya well ur gay lol

>>51765212
What are you trying to do with a topknot, make Ol' Armless with AIDS?

>>51765151
>grenade launchers

flamers and heavy flamer would be more useful in KT.

Sentinel with plasma cannon could blast some stuff, though it might be better to just drop cram your list full of infantry.

>>51765231
waaaaaaw kid just kys desu xD

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>>51761894
Beep boop muthafucka

>>51765123
Reminder that "meme" had a different definition before the internet co-opted it to mean "le funny internet in-jokes XD".

>>51765242
I thought template weapons were generally less effective in KT because everyone is usually all spread out?

>>51764479
Guard need 200+ bodies to be useful.

>>51764321
If I knew ahead of time, no.

>>51765318
Well, the biggest danger is hordes, who tend to end up clumped anyways because the board's only a 4x4. Also, people will still funnel into zones of cover and onto objectives.

Less effective than normal but more effective than popping one model at a time. As veteran Guard you'll have survivability issues, so be aware.

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>>51765319
this. I see so many guard players on this site posting lists where they have fewer than 50 men for 1200pt games and up and I just lol

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>>51761894
>>51761894
I'd say he probably wouldn't make it through the overwatch, and if he did he'd have to go through all 8 of us.

>want to use my Black Templars at least for Kill Team
>realize their Chapter Tactic consists solely of "have Crusader" because your Counter-Attack/Rage section literally can't even activate
>cry
>start looking into HoR Kill Team because BTs are still their own faction there

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>>51765322
>mfw 2 cases just for troop choices
I only agree partially because setting up as well as the game itself will be long.

>>51765356
That yours? That goop is fantastic. What's the mixture?

>>51765338
Hmm. I already assembled one guardsman with a GL, but I could easily make one more with a flamer, and put a heavy flamer on the chimera and armored sentinel. How useful would you say a dozer blade is, considering how terrain-heavy KT is? Or scout vs armored sentinel?

>>51765387
yea, that me.. its the Citadel Technical: Nurgle's Rot

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>>51757379
I've been trying to do close quarters/close combat Guard lately with limited to no success. I figured I'd try to go for a mix, where some of the army pushes in for close quarters but the other half is supporting from far away. I'd prefer to use Straken over Jacobus to give out Furious Charge/Counter-Attack, but I've been noticing without the +1 Initiative, Furious Charge isn't very good for Guardsmen. I lose some to Overwatch, then I lose more before I can swing. I much prefer Prescience'd FRFSRF and then waiting to be charged with Counter-Attack.

Question though. Does Prescience apply to Wall of Death when checking for how many hit?

>>51762295

Don't take the heavy flamer on your command squad, just the 2 melta guns. Put the shitty eradicator in with Pask to protect him, put the executioner on its own or with the other eradicator. In general you'll find those eradicators are worthless unless its bikes (don't know how competitive your meta is).

Get rid of the heavy flamers in your vet squads as well.

For the celestine group of infantry squads, give em all flamers

>>51765434
I thought CC power axe blob guard got nerfed into the ground?

>>51765493
I can't say I've tried it this edition for that very reason. Everyone says it's not good so I've never bothered. I just have 2 30 man blobs at the moment. Every time I charged them though I lost a lot of men to Overwatch and everyone else swinging first, so even though I had S4, it didn't matter much. I figure it's just better off now for me to rapid fire, block their passage and wait to be charged if I have Counter-Attack. And if they don't charge, I can just do FRFSRF all over again.

>>51765540
Not sure if guard have access but dirge casters are worth the points to cancel overwatches but you can't expect a lone chimera to make it across the board. And you do realize ONLY the squad you're assaulting gets to fire overwatch, correct?

>>51765568
I'm aware yes. It's more about things being I4 that is the problem.

>>51765434
silly willy. I run a true Guard Charge list:

>50 Man blob (combined squads) with 1 priest and 1 primaris psyker. Give your 5 sergeants power axes and give the squad prescience and let the rape party begin.
>50 man consript blob with priest and commisar (give commisar powerfist). use this blob to block whatever you dont want to/cant deal with
>fill the rest of your points with whatever you want, maybe Pask

>take 4 year break from GW products
>was really into it, set up gaming clubs, had groups
>moved and lost touch
>see this thread
>check GW


>those fucking prices

I get that I am gonna have to bite the bullet, but how do you guys justify it?
I would probably play a points heavy force like DE, and just modify the shit out of my troops so I don't have to buy too many too often, but fuck, is it me or have prices fucking nearly doubled?

Also what's this edition like? I saw the Age of Sigmar shit go down and was pretty glad I am in 40k, is GW looking to do the same here?

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heeey fa/tg/uys rate my shit, any tipp you could lend me would be apreciated

>>51765650
I don't justify GW's prices. I buy chinese. Do some research on r/yoyhammer on reddit and find up to date catalogues and on how to order.

>>51765631
Is it really worth the charge? I feel like it never worked that well for me. Maybe I really need to do 50 man blobs. A 50 man power axe blob with a Priest that has Book of St Lucius and a Psyker for Prescience/Forewarning sounds pretty boss.

What else do you run in your list? For anti-tank and other stuff like that.

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Anyone mind rating my list? The idea is that the company and platoon command squads make a big blob with all the footsloggers to give orders to grunts and heavy weapons squads, the vets run in and pop a tank or maybe two and russes provide fire support where needed.

>>51765650
Buy recasts or eBay. eBay is actually pretty good most of the time if you dont mind a little bit of dettol bathing and cleaning up sprue lines.

>>51765682

>so get this, I forgot to mention the main blob is armed with 5 las cannon teams.
>I will also include a heavy weapons squad of 3x autocannons, usually always in the back field, just to soak up attention
>if i take pask, i put him in a Punisher, 3X heavy bolter + heavy stubber

This list has beaten waac fag eldar lists many times. the only problem I have is mobility. for that I'll usually deep strike 10X Scions with 2 meltas-- suicide squad

>>51765683
Just realised one of my squads is oversized by a man. What do I do with 5 spare points?

What the hell happened to the Death Korps models that are just kreigers sitting down to put on tanks? Want to put them in sentinels but I can't find them

>>51765683
>>51765739

use the points on a flamer for the command squad

It looks like a fun list. 1000 pts is actually my favorite size-- its like everything counts and is critiacl

my suggestion is dropping a russ and adding Wyvern. its a must have in any small list

>>51765737
Thank you anon. I will try to learn from this. I am making a list now.

Do you just shoot the 5 lascannons and wait to charge when things get close?