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There's traditional gender roles most of the time, but nobody bats an eye at female adventurers except a few stock chauvinists.

You have 10 seconds to prove to me why this isn't the single best way to handle gender relations in your Typical D&D Setting.

While the ordinary men and women adhere to the rules of society, the heroes of the Wulin transcend such things. Your gender is irrelevant- Only the truth of your heart and the swiftness of your blade matter.

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>>51744827
>>51744806

But the genders will never be equal, women are more valuable for them depends the future of the species. You can survive with many women and only a few men, but not viceversa.

>>51744806
Pretty much this. Anyone that wants more than that is just trying to start a pointless debate.

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Adventurers are usually outside of the rules of society, due to the fact that they tend to merely pass through it rather than be a part of it, and it's more difficult to hold them accountable for actions that aren't jailworthy. They are seen as foreigners in about any land due to their strangeness, and the powers they will tend to wield make them difficult to approach, let alone force conformity upon.

Otherwise it varies between 'traditional gender roles' to 'traditional gender roles but with women having more powerful roles in certain areas,' with some exotic races like gnolls being outliers for having women be in control of tribes and being the decider of family line and property inheritance rather than the male line, or some dwarven enclaves having so few women that some claim their wives must be their axes. Usually this is all just for flavor and the PCs aren't forced to cover themselves when they go to the tiefling desert.

It's only a matter of minutes before /r9k/ shows up and starts whining about
> B-b-but roasties are stupid, weak and can't accomplish anything!
But that's exactly what you wanted, isn't it, OP?

>>51745011
Well women can do plenty. There is a difference between a woman, and a roastie, just as there is a differencee between a black person and a nigga.

One is a perfectly normal acting human, the other is a total ass.

In my games there's sexual dimorphism and females and males are different, still PCs are above of the curve so a female PC is going to be the same as a male PC even when on average they shouldn't

>>51744772
Most bipedal races have an advantage towards males as far as physical abilities go, up to a point. See, social clout manifests as magic enhancements for exceptional people, meaning that you will often see well known female warriors who are capable of feats of strength most men could never dream of doing.

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>>51744772
>sexes
>his main choice of PC/NPC races aren't hivemind rocks, shapeshifting parasites or eldritch horrors
You must be living a boring life.

Also, pic very related.

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Magic

Women can do pretty much anything men can, not because of any bogus empowerment message but because in this setting, anyone can fly or become solid living gold or throw ki blasts in the shape of the word "PUMP IT UP" if they try hard enough.

And the main thing that turns you into a PC is trying. A lot.

>>51744772
Women can get pregnant but are slightly heartier and heal faster. Men can impregnate and can't be forced into back to back orgasms but cum faster.

>>51745207
>men can't be forced into back to back orgasms
Sounds like women in your setting are awful lays.

>>51744772
Depends on the setting, the location within the setting, and what I'm bothering with at any given time.

You see, OP, I am actually creative and intelligent enough to not be limited to one single idealized version of any given reality, so your question, bait worthy as it is, is irrelevant to anything that happens in any game I ever run, because there are so many answers you could never actually manage to reach a point where your bait would mean anything other than pointless noise.

>>51745220
Eh I needed to give -some- kind of bonus to males to balance it out a bit. I haven't quite figured out whether that actually means they can't orgasm more than once per round or once per attack/combo.

>>51744772
Talk shit get hit.
Everyone has to pull their own weight and show their worth, in physical and intellectual affairs not even nobles are considered useful until proven useful.
Homely men and women are not considered lessers, but investigative academics, adventuring, monster hunting and the like are fetishized a lot so of course people want to give it a try no matter their gender.

That's about it, women's physical weakness is not handwaved but it's not spotlighted all the time either because guns, magic, trap setting, tracking, strategizing and academics don't necessarily require or benefit from you being 7'2 and 380 pounds of muscle.

>>51744772
Not equal at all. Just like in real life.

>>51744867
Humans are not an endangered species in any social setting and in turbo-grimdark the world is gonna end in cthonicmadnessbloodchaosdarkesspiss the hero's gender matters nothing because the failure of an individual means the end of existance not just that she's not gonna live to have 2.5 kids.

Equal for what? Almost any metric of equality varied across the setting, but do you mean politically?

>>51744772

>playing just one setting

>>51744772
Do you mean "how equal as to how they're treated by society" or "how equal are they in capabilities"?

Right now I've got two settings so I'll break this up.

>first setting
Societal gender parity has been achieved on paper but not in practice. Men tend to be taken more seriously and given more respect; women tend to be objectified and given less to do. So it's shadows of real life but toned down significantly.

Men, on average, are bigger and stronger than women, but that, too, is relaxed. The world's strongest women are on the same level as the world's strongest men. So if you imagine twin graphs of physical strength, men's is roughly the same approximately normal distribution; women's has the same median (not mean) as in real life but skewed so there are more individuals on the stronger end. I realize this would be clearer with a visual aid but I'm lazy.

>second setting
Gender roles still exist, but they're much looser. Typically you won't refer to, say, "the baker"; you'll refer to "the bakers", as both husband and wife (or husband and husband or wife and wife) share responsibility for the craft. One parent will typically be somewhat less involved in the business than the other and more involved in childrearing and housekeeping, and this is the mother more often than it's the father, but that's about the extent of it.

There was a population boom in the setting relatively recently, so children from larger families may pursue careers other than their parents' . Inheritance can run through just about any child, just depending on who decides to pick up their parents' craft.

Men are, again, physically stronger an average; women are more magically adept. Professional magic users tend overwhelmingly to be women and accomplished male mages are the exception, not the rule. The military (excluding the Mage Corps) is 70% male; the Mage Corps is 85% female.

Setting 2 was specifically designed with the purpose of being cozy as fuck.

>>51744772
I choose all my NPCs' genders by flipping a coin because it matters that little.

>>51745913
Setting 2 sounds really cute.

>>51745975
That's the idea. Pretty much any setting I concoct will be more on the cozy side than not (since I think it raises the stakes by giving the players a world worth protecting compared to if everything would just be shit anyway), but Setting 2 just goes all the way with it.

Like, I also write smut, and the story for which Setting 2 exists is functionally smut except the goal emotion is "cozy" rather than "horny".

>>51746092
You should write hybrid stories, cozy smut. I think that would be apex storytelling

>>51746136
I agree wholeheartedly. I mean, my smut is pretty cozy already, to be fair. I love me some affectionate domination.

And I had a similar idea, actually, for a separate (and smuttier) story set within Setting 2.

Also I haven't written it out properly but I do have this: >>51687013 >>51687309

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>>51746260
>Choose your Own Orgasm

>>51746364
I've considered doing something on Twine but I don't have that much discipline.

I'm a much better writer when I can collaborate with someone. It's hard to do that with smut.

I'm glad you like it.

>>51744772
Gender doesn't matter much, at least in terms of adventurers and nobility. The peasantry are all scrubs and subscribe to more traditional gender roles.

The -4 str becomes less important when effectively anybody is capable of learning how to break entire cities over their knee if they have enough fighting spirit and willpower.

>>51744772
Are we talking equality of opportunity, or equality of outcome?

>>51746875
I think we can all tell where you're trying to take this.

>>51746965
Up his butt?

>>51747023
No. Well, maybe. But that's not what I meant.

>>51745119
I really wish more RPGs encouraged you to play non-humanoids.

Entirely variable based on setting, character, and players' general dispositions. Don't wave away differences, but explore their expression via play and story.

Anyone creeching about either their specific simulacrum of realism or IRL gender relations can get out of my living room. I have a setting here. I want to see your characters navigate it. Convince me, either by dice or by due rebuttal.

>>51746875
Both

>>51747244
>"in your setting"
>gives a "depends on the setting" answer

>>51744772
A lot of traditional gender roles (traditional defined by country), but the sheer amount of nonhumans, magic, divine gifts, and ki bullshit running around means that there's a pretty decent number of powerful women in the world.

Women are weaker within the setting but this rule does not apply to adventurers since such people are meant to be truly exceptional humans.

Player characters are ostensibly treated as the same regardless of gender, though NPC reactions to them may vary for obvious reasons.

Whereas my NPCs generally subscribe to -4STR etc.
Women are generally the pursued party in romance. While men tend to occupy more important leadership positions (though not overwhelmingly so). Families usually have the father working and the mother homemaking.
And basically all the other gender roles that her persisted throughout most of human history are present. Men do harder, more dangerous jobs for more benefits. Nurses are more likely to be women, etc. etc.
In the military, direct combat roles are overwhelmingly (practically 100%) male occupied. All other roles (support/pilots etc.) are about 10% female.
Magic users are a 50/50 split, but males do tend to gravitate more towards direct combat usage whereas women prefer support usage, but this isn't skewed enough to make female combat mages uncommon (relatively speaking, as magic users in general are rare).

I've only once had players be dissatisfied with this, but it was resolved quickly.

>>51744772
Males tend to be more powerful and influential than female, but it's the hyper-males who really dominate society.

>>51744772
sexes are equal, but only if you can fucking fight. You let people take advantage of you you're shit class.

>>51748162
Why were they dissatisfied and how was it resolved?

>>51744772
Outside of female slaves being more valuable they are equal.

>>51744772
Depends on species, culture, and how they interpret the various faiths of the setting.

>>51744772
About as equal as they can be when the main religion is for a goddess and the ladies handle whatever job they want while the males are generally scripted into hard labor jobs, with plenty of exceptions on either side.
Of course when you toss an elf into that mix, suddenly the goddess is getting cussed at, death threats are tossed around by the pious, and no one knows quite what to do with a smartass that can teleport and has an amulet of genderbending.

>>51748258
They started asking why the frontline infantry they were working with were all male, sort of jokingly at first ("man this unit is a sausagefest" etc.).
Then they asked for a reason and I casually explained that frontline combat units are all male because they're better at it physically. One of my players seemed to take umbrage with this, though I wouldn't learn until later. The rest seemed ambivalent or agreeable.

The players ruled their own population, and this one player decided to make an 'amazon' unit (his words) of the hundred strongest women among their people. The other players didn't object, but I think we all knew it was to spite me. Because of the great efforts the player went through to describe his intensive selection process I didn't even give his amazon unit combat penalties.

I've always very viscerally described combat as it happens, with all the unpleasant details. I don't know if the player expected me to tone it down for his amazon brigade when he led their charge into their first battle, but I didn't (maybe to spite him back, but I can honestly say it was no more visceral than normal).

After that they didn't want to replenish the amazon unit or use it again. Was never really brought up again.

>>51744772
Statistically. It's gurps. 0 point difference

>>51748481
I don't wanna tell you how to do your job, but even making it a 90/10 split with a token female soldier NPC would probably reduce that problem.

I'm all for girl power, but it's your prerogative to run your setting how you like (within reason). Just a suggestion.

>>51748578
"Prevent", not "reduce", sorry. I realize it's just the one guy so far.

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Literally 100% equal.

My setting only has one continent and everyone has to share the mass of land. There are no natural borders that span enough space to cut off anyone from one another. I figured that logically if all the races never had the opportunity to form their own private countries they would naturally grow to be mutually respected/tolerant. Of course racist sects and cults exist but in terms of the common man and royal policies pretty much anyone can do anything and go anywhere.

>>51748578
Different anon, but I don't think tokenism is all that great either.

>>51748578
I have about a 90/10 split among pilots, navy crews, base personnel, and higher level officers.

I don't have women in frontline battle because I don't enjoy describing them screaming for their parents as they clutch to their dismembered limb stumps or eviscerated guts. Neither do my players, if the sudden dropping of their amazon unit was anything to go by.

And yes, I personally think it's immersion breaking to have a unit of dirty, stressed out men just lounge about with women and pretend they're all the same. Especially when the majority of society's men chase women, seek to protect them and generally care more about their wellbeing than men.

>>51744772
My setting's apocalyptic, so it's "Can you do [thing]? If so, great! If not, try to die somewhere else."

>>51748650
Yeah, that's true, it's not. But it might be helpful in this specific case for avoiding that specific problem of someone making a big deal out of the lack of women on the front lines.

>>51748709
The US Army actually did studies that disproved the whole "men are more affected when female soldiers die than male soldiers" thing. But to be clear I'm not taking exception with your setting.

>>51748709
Props to you for letting them stress-test things like that, but if neither they nor you are comfortable with the ramifications then by all means keep things where they're at. Sounds like you run pretty level-headed campaigns overall.

>>51748780
>The US Army actually did studies that disproved the whole "men are more affected when female soldiers die than male soldiers" thing.

Source? I'm genuinely interested because I don't know how you could accurately test that without it actually happening. And I don't remember the US army shipping home any planes full to the brim of dead women recently.

>>51744772
the imperium so... depends on the world. backwards agri-worlds and feral worlds there is more traditional gender roles. In the hives and shrine worlds not so much the imperium is oppressive equally and the cult does not differentiate based on sex.

>>51748780
Well everyone's entitled to their own preferences for their setting, that's why ttrpg's exist.

>>51748786
Thanks anon, I think (hope, pray?) that my players enjoy themselves.

It only matters in the context of worldbuilding for me, and even then doesn't matter statistically but culturally.

Statistically there is no difference between a female or a male Dwarf. However, I like my Dwarves having strict gender roles similar to the Norse. Likewise I prefer my Elves have more fluid gender roles, but are distinctly matriarchies.

However, it never matters in the context of PCs, because they're always exceptions.

Women need to have an average of 4-6 pregnancies so that 2 will reach adulthood. The rest will result in stillbirths or won't survive its 1st year.

My game is currently set in an alternate Wilhelmian/Bismarckian German Empire. Gender roles are pretty prevalent, which affects the way players can act in public without comment.
However a bigger indicator of accepted behaviour is class, which intersects with gender.

However these social mores are less prevalent among counter culturals and the avantgarde like the socialists, anarchists, criminals and bohemians that the PCs spend a large amount of their time with, and handling the social expectations put upon them by the people around them is a big part of getting things to work their own way.

However I have never said to any of my players "You can't do that because you're a woman", as soon as I told them the basic idea they've enforced the idea amongst themselves (And my group is majority female), and have had great fun with fooling the silly guy police who don't realize that half a foot long hat pins are fucking daggers.

>>51748817
It saw it in a video from a reputable channel. I'm trying to find it now so I can see what their primary source was.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcoWPpE0EiE

>>51748962
You're thinking of medieval societies IRL. Where clerics can't cast Cure Disease.

but women still need to have 3 or 4 pregnancies on average to keep up with all the owlbears and dragons and whatnot eating people

>>51749088

Who says clerics are common in this setting?

>>51749088
Also the risk of having your baby stolen and replaced with something nasty.

>>51744772
The "good guys" in my setting don't care about gender.

Doesn't matter if you have a dick, as long as you're abstinent/faithful to your spouse and making useful and meaningful contributions to society.

Doesn't matter if you have a cunt, you're gonna get brutally neutered and tortured and have your "playthings" emancipated if you're a decadent freak who keeps sex slaves.

>>51748597

No geographical borders only makes the situation more fluid and wars for dominance more bloody, just see India.

>>51748817
I messed up a little. Apparently it's just that there's no actual evidence that men are more affected by female injury or death than of male injury or death. There haven't been formal studies but collated data has not shown it to be true.

Well part of the campaign took place on Catachan, where every woman has to give birth to at least 10 children just to maintain the population.

Life mostly consisted of perpetually pregnant-or-being-made-pregnant women being protected by men from the marauding wildlife. Of course the sheer lethality of the place has made the women damn hardcore as well, enough to beat the shit out of an average civilised world man thanks to their genetic changes and life experiences.

I'm far too proud of my depiction of a pregnant Catachan woman with two babies on her back and another on her front strangling a tree snake to death. I then described her brief moment of bitter regret and self-blame as she realises one of her babies was killed by it, before she simply dumped the body into the dirt. It really hammered the place home to my players.

>>51749159

Of course there is still conflict and turf war; there just isn't a correlation with race or gender. I don't think there would be anyways.

>>51749119
Honey was our child always green and weigh 30 pounds?

He gets that from your side of the family.

Women fight and bully other women to get rid of competition for potential mates and assure their dominance over other women.

>>51749404
Is that just for the thought experiment of it, magical realm, or a mix of the two? And if a mix, roughly what proportions?

>>51745913
Strongest women will never be as strong as the strongest men.

>>51745044
Okay, I'll bite. Fuck is a roastie?

>>51749546
Just a /r9k/ word for whores.

>>51749534
They are in my setting, much as that seems to upset you.

>>51744806
You have 5 seconds to prove it is.

>>51749695
It's close enough to reality that it doesn't take any adapting from the players but flexible enough that it's doesn't limit player options.

Not that anon, though.

>>51744772
On average fairly even. Societal differences tend to be regional in my space setting, same as our world in my supers setting, and the medieval fantasy is where I play around with things a bit more like fiddling about with matriarchal queendoms, council governance, etc.

>>51745913
Setting 2 sounds like shit.

>>51749756
Thank you for your nuanced critique, anon.

>>51748597
>There are no natural borders that span enough space to cut off anyone from one another.
When has that ever stopped anyone? There are far more artificial borders than natural.

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>>51744772
Depends HEAVILY on the civilization you happen to be in.
Some civs are straight up patriarchies, some are straight up matriarchies, we have meritocracies, some are bizarre theocracies where women and men are both slaves to the church.

Some places have strict gender roles that are more or less equal, some civs are chill about what you want to do.

So really all over the place

>>51749716
If your setting doesn't require any adaptation from the players it's not interesting enough and limitation is key to keeping players from making bland and hollow characters.

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>>51748597
>I figured that logically if all the races never had the opportunity to form their own private countries they would naturally grow to be mutually respected/tolerant
Have you ever met a human?

>>51744772
In my setting, men drive the perpetually-pregnant, lobotomized women around like they're chocobos, feeding them dogfood and plugging all their holes up so they can only void when permitted no matter how much their bodies may fail them.

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Not very, it's pre-sedentary labor

>>51749770
You're welcome your worthless fuck you.

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>>51748597
>Literally 100% equal.
>everyone has to share the mass of land.
>I figured that logically if all the races never had the opportunity to form their own private countries they would naturally grow to be mutually respected/tolerant.

Bitch have you ever read world history? The places with fewer geographic barriers are the most fucked with places on earth due to armies being able to hop from village to village in record time.

Racial equality? The Rwandan genocide was committed over the curvature of a nasal ridge! The Japanese still have ethnic groups inside of Japan that are untouchables that are literally physically and genetically indistinguishable from other japanese. India has a caste system!

Someone has a precious wittle view of the world. Also Santa isn't real and your parents hate each other, and probably you.

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>>51749873

>>51749885
Sorry, was that supposed to be
>You're welcome, you worthless fuck you.
or
>You're welcome, you're worthless, fuck you.
?

You seem to have made a mistake there.

Human men and women are treated as breeding cattle for all the other races and monsters.

>>51749210
>I don't think there would be anyways.
seen so many people say this stupid shit genuinely lately that I honestly can't tell if you're really this ignorant or if you're trolling

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>>51749873
Tell me about your mother anon

>>51749912
forgot to mention, when they're fed the dogfood they eat AFTER the dogs

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If anything my setting is practically a matriarchy.

Pretty much all of the leaders of the nations have ended up as women, and most of the deities are goddesses. Hell, there's only like three males leading the major guilds of the setting, while the rest are all female.

It wasn't even to make a social statement or push equality or diversity. I just liked making female characters more than male.

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>>51749873

>>51750052
Yeah, I always have trouble writing male characters. I have to make an active effort to include them.

>>51750192
looking back, most the campaigns I've run the players interacted with the queen/duchess/countess because the male counterpart is busy doing shit.

>>51744772
Depends on the society and race. For humans most societies have traditional gender roles for peasants out of necessity. Artisans and such that make up middle classes usually abide by them as well culturally, and while individuals might not adhere to them it's usually looked down on as strange and disruptive. Ruling class/the rich can get away with a lot more in their personal lives but are also more expected to fulfill political obligations such as having heirs, inheriting, etc.

One kingdom can only ever be ruled by a Queen who "marries" their patron God and has children with Consorts picked by the Church. The Queens are nominated by the Noble houses and then compete through a series of trials. All part of a complicated scheme to keep the Bloodline from dilution without inbreeding. The Consorts are the male children and raised by the Church, while the female children inherit a divine right to command the holy flock - who are the dead Consorts and Daughters of previous generations that serve as workers and in their armies. The Queen herself has no powers, only the daughters, and only children she has after ascending and with the Consorts.

The daughters are sterile but live for about 150 years. When raised to serve, they are intelligent and tireless, and capable of minor miracles and channeling power to undead Consorts. The Consorts tend to be . . . Less intelligent, at first, with secret rituals and surgeries done to increase their physical durability, strength, and size. While most are dulled after death,some do retain their original full capabilities and others have them return after time.

Despite the whole "Undead Army" thing, they mostly focus on large infrastructure projects and high-risk labour jobs. Many projects are multi-generational. The more intelligent ones have described it as "playing with blocks, but on a vast scale" and find fulfillment in their great works.

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>>51749873
Dumb idea, dumb society.
It would be out-competed within a few generations and here's why. Purely logical with no ethos argument

You turn half of your human capitol into mentally challenged invalids that require care, this takes labor and resources you already don't have by losing a good chunck of your labor force (spoiler, women were farmers too) . Then as a bonus point you lose half your human resource pool when it comes to innovation, which sets you behind. Furthermore you now need caregivers for your children, since lobotomized people make poor caregivers.

TLDR some poor sap would be in charge of bathing a bunch of menstrual blood and feces caked lobotomized people, probably you.

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>>51750319
I was also wondering how the lobotomies factored into it. At what age are they lobotomized? Are they lobotomizing babies when there's a massive risk of complications (not that lobotomies are ever a safe procedure) or waiting until they have some kind of cognizance?

>>51750270
Orks on the other hand have a complete societal split with nomadic male tribes and urban female cities. Ironically they have the second least sexual dimorphism, but mentally the women are communal and trade orientated with the cities remaining independent from each other while the male tribes have a single organization. The tribes however fight among themselves with raiding and counting coup, with the Chieftans winning their position through strength within their tribe, and the head tribe being whichever is the richest with the most warriors and the largest herd. Every Ork owns his own animals within the tribes herd, which can be won or lost by combat, raiding another tribe, etc. Harming the herd is taboo. If one Male wants to order an Ork below him, that Ork can challenge for his position by wagering a portion of his individual herd.

Meanwhile the cities are forbidden from fighting and instead wage economic war with each other. Within the cities it's cutthroat political factions that operate as a council. All property is communal, but your position determines your right to access and distribute it. No-one goes hungry, but if the person above you says jump you say how high. Promotions occur by a combination of qualifying by seniority and passing exams, with the rank they are being promoted to voting on their promotion. Specific positions higher up may instead work with an apprenticeship.

>>51750319
>>51750362
You are putting way more thought into it than the retard you are replying to did.

>>51750417
This is /tg/ where no idea is too retarded to logically tear apart

>>51750406
The idea is that way the men are always capable of being turned into a military force without destabilizing the society.

Elves are the most physically diverse, with the men being 7' vs the women being 5'4" on average. The men have antlers and are broad of shoulder and buff as fuck, while the women have elongated and expressive ears and venomous fangs. They lay eggs in trees which determines their colouration and magic. Oh yeah, both genders have a shit ton of magic so their society is pretty gender neutral, since you're getting blasted with magic anyways and they can also shapeshift. There's evidence that the dimorphism is purely aesthetic and that they have had many different "styles" in the past, changing their shapes with magic to better fit their idealization of beauty as it changed over the millenia.

>>51750485
Dwarves are the standard minimal dimorphism, but have the greatest social dimorphism because of their circumstances. Living in the blasted remains of their homelands, they use both magic and technology (the reason their homeland got blasted in the first place because Elves are dicks) to sustain themselves. The harshness has caused every dwarf to be assigned their role regardless of what they may want, and for the women that role is often "have babies". To reduce dissent, criminals and dissidents are magically lobotomized and mentally linked to form a non-sentient labour class that does the majority of the menial work. The upper class dwarves work on committees that also use mind linking magic for decision making to prevent dissent and enforce unanimous decisions. The higher up a dwarf is, the more time they spend linked up. The over council itself is permanently linked together. These group minds can issue commands to the low-mind. It's theorized that the occasional action taken by the low-mind without direct command is either it becoming a philosophical zombie, or that the ruling council's permanent linkage has resulted in it being a subconscious expression of their wants and desires.

So yeah. Nobody is free in Dwarfland.

Depends on the culture for their individual social standing. As for physically it depends on the species.

As an example, female goblinoids are larger and stronger than male goblinoids. Dwarf men and women have very little sexual dimorphism when it comes to musculature and physique. Humans have as much as you'd except, and orcs are similar. Those are the only races in my setting.

Culture vary wildly depending on where you are and who you talk to. Dwarves do not have gender roles like we view them because they never went through a societal developmental stage. Dwarves as a species were created and now exist, and didn't evolve through hunter gatherer -> agricultural -> etc. societal stages. Dwarves went from being molded from clay to forging steel in less than a generation.

Goblinoids on the other hand value women highly due to them being less common by birth, and the need for constantly resupplying individuals to the tribes. Goblinoids grow as an infestation more or less.

Orcs are a kind of human and share much of their culture, simply warped when they became orcs rather than humans. The event shaped the continent as a whole.

>>51750456
Or build on.

>>51749860
>If your setting doesn't require any adaptation from the players it's not interesting enough and limitation is key to keeping players from making bland and hollow characters.
Therefore all aspects of all settings must require adaptation from the players?
I think not.

And I'm another another anon.

>>51750564
True.

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>>51750564

>>51744772

Depends on the setting.

Current one, gender equality exists in the legal sense in the settings version of 'The West / Europe' and exists in practice to varying degrees, with the most prominent kingdom that divides the 'old West' from the 'new West' seeing the most parity in genders.

Outside of this 'more enlightened' region, legal equality is far less common to unheard of, depending on the region. There are also rare places where females are the dominant gender both legally and in practice (mostly amongst non-humans). Perfect gender parity exists in the Restless Courts of the Frozen Reaches as they are undead and gender means very little.

This all has almost no bearing on the PCs as they are transients through the lands. Female or Male PCs could run into issues in some areas, but in general it's harder to enforce the law on them as they can easily pick up stakes and move on. Also, it's hard to make a Sorceress wear a hijab when she can kill your entire guard with a spell or two. Most Sultans aren't stupid enough to try to enforce that, especially when he needs the PCs to get him something back from a place it would be 'Haram' for his warriors to go (they are not of the faith, so it's fine for them to do it).

>>51750456
>>51750564
Well when you have something that retarded you can only go up.

>>51749546
Most women.
The ones who are fairly stupid and shallow, used to being given things because they are pretty and people want to fuck them.
The ones who get used for sex by men above their dating league, but are stupid enough to think they deserve the guy that can have a prettier/younger woman than her.
The ones who ride the cock carousel and have no real value other than their sexuality but think they deserve everything in life.
Basically the female version of a manchild, but instead of crippling depression ,video games, and virginity they experience crippling depression, being used for sex/social accessory, and a lack of real world intuition(its really not their fault since they've been sheltered or rescued from any adverse character growing situation)

aka 70% of women are roasties.

Its not misogynistic because I didnt say ALL women are

also im on acid and came here from /r9k/ to see if a one player DnD(or warhammer fantasy) campaign is possible, like a possible tournament setting

>>51751293
Now go back to /r9k/ and die alone and unloved there.

>>51751293
>Its not misogynistic because I didnt say ALL women are
So you're just pretending words have different meanings so that you can feel smugly superior, basically. That's what "roastie" means.

>>51751293
If you left your basement you'd understand how real life works. I strongly recommend it. It's even more in-depth than the Silmarillion!

>>51745264
Their Main sexual tool has reach

>>51744806
Traditional gender roles is a relative thing. They depend on time period, place and social strata. Most of the time people talk about them on 4chan they mean some sort of idealized fifties middle class America. What are traditional gender roles for a D&D setting anyway? Is it some sort of medieval "women can't own property" or just "women are expected to be housewifes".

>>51749546
Thots.

>>51744772
Varies from race to race and from culture to culture.

Dwarves are the most traditionalist on average, it is rare to see dwarven women outside of their mountainhomes. Less traditionalist clans are springing up, though.

Other races have a pretty even spread of traditionalist and liberal societies. Elves in particular have a perfectly equal society - which is brutal, ancient-God-machine enforced meritocracy. No matter who you are, you either swim to the top or drown.

Lizardmen are an inversion of gender roles. Men are only slightly larger than humans and are build for speed and expendability. Women are 7ft tall aggressive hulking monstrosities with nearly-wolverine tier regeneration.

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>>51751314
Gladly, but first instruct me on how to learn how to setup a 1 player tournament scenario.

>>51751320
that line was a smug joke. I know I'm being misogynistic. I don't care. I'm going based of my own personal experiences and observations.

Now please point me in the right direction on how to learn to setup a one player campaign so I can fuck off.

>>51751367
You don't have personal experiences and observations. You are fed lies through a tube and you suck them down because they assure you your failings are not your fault. You're not a failure, everyone else is the problem. It's not your fault you can't get laid, you're just too good for those bitches and their grapes are sour anyway.

A 1-player tournament is an oxymoron. Get friends.

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>>51751345
im not a ugly dungeon dwelling virgin.
I lost my contract to wizardry but have been browsing /r9k/ ever since it was born. I cant stop now.

Also, they speak the truth about society. Which is why I keep to them around even though I dont fit in and they usually tell me "fuck off you failed normie go to pol or b"

kinda what is happening here except normally I'm trying to give life advice, not ask for it.

How does one setup a single player campaign

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>>51749695
It provides a somewhat drama-free middle ground between "That Guy commanding blowjobs from every female NPC" and "campaign derailing into a reenactment of Game of Thrones season 6."

>>51751406
>Also, they speak the truth about society.
You've confused truth with convenient lies. Pseudoscience, by its very nature, digs in its heels and makes itself seem very appealing.

You're deliberately not providing enough information to get a helpful answer. That is clearly not why you're here and it's clearly not what you want. See how helpful it is to be able to spot lies?

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Fantasy: Magic is a great equalizer.
Sci-fi: Genetics
Modern: Guns

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>>51751400
I can roll for friends. The setting would be the character I roll going through a series to become #1

I was thinking of creating a triathlon/gauntlet scenario for awhile now. It'd be fun to see if I can roll a character that can make it far or not.


Also I have plenty of experience. I am an example of a ugly duckling. Virgin until finished puberty and women started flocking to me. I gorged myself of free alcohol from other men who wanted to get close to a guy who got laid so often, and easy sex from women who wanted to be around a guy who knew so many people.
I cast that life away 2 years ago because I want something deeper. Every woman ive dated seems to be almost identical mentally, just wearing a different outfit/makeup. I've dated a local smart musician, to a dumb popular college girl. I've dated fat, insecure girls and ive dated pretty girls who are introverted and have social anxiety.
All the same behaviors. The same mannerisms work on them all. Just convey value, low dependency, and confidence.
I'm not a brainlet either, I'm quite good at noticing patterns. Hence my post on the behavior of roasties.

>>51751440
I will literally drop this conversation if we can proceed in advice for campaign making.

Ive never actually roleplayed or been involved in any campaigns. I've read lots of materials though, but only skimmed.

What more information do you need in order to send me on the proper path.

There are gender roles, but exceptions are allowed to pursue their goals. Men and women are expected to be chaste till marriage.

The freer a society, the more genders will gravitate to their roles.

>>51751462
If magic is based on intelligence, which it generally is, then it isn't an equalizer. It just makes men even more superior to women.

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>>51751495

>>51751504
>>51751513

>people making smug "reactions" to something they believe must be patently untrue

I'm sure if you looked at the statistics, you'd find another excuse, like how statistics can be used to prove anything/are sexist/are racist.

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Ignore the robot. He's late for mommy's tendies.

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>>51751527

>>51751537
>men outperformed women academically in statistics so hard that they had to modify the definition and metric of how intelligence was measured in order to try and even things out

"General intelligence" is hilarious

>>51744772
Gender roles differ from culture to culture, as they normally do in real life, and are rarely a priority enough to discern in detail.

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>>51751567

>>51751576
>posting toddlercon shit
>calling anyone else retarded

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>>51751534
that looks like a classy verions of the adventure guild biddy from kono

cause she's a total dumb skank ammarite ma dudes :^))

>>51744806
This. Allowing players to roleplay certain traits or characteristics while providing both opportunities to role play against those cultural expectations or to ignore them (and thus play something a bit more escapist) is the best way to handle it.

On a side note I also treat homosexuality similarly. Where if you're some poor farmer no one gives a shit if you're gay, but if you're a noble and thus expected to carry a lineage it's seen as a breach of etiquette. That way players are free to create gay characters and either roleplay dealing with those societal pressures or to avoid them if they would rather not.

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>>51751583
It is rare to see someone as stupid as you.

>>51751569
Sure. But in general, most cultures have clear similarities of gender roles as these things are hard coded in out brains.

>>51751607
Nice argument.

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>>51751632
Thank you.

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>>51744772
Depends on the race. Human women are objectively shit for example, but elves are a race with very low dimorphism so women are a significant part of their army.

>>51751592
Judging by those shots in the last two episodes of season 1, she kind of is. She's not even wearing the same uniform as her female coworkers so it's not like the guild is run by some brilliant pervert or something.

>>51747192
I wish fantasy was more varied. We have like billion games about elves and dwarves in a faux-medieval world.

>155 replies
I just don't get it.

>>51751709
It's because you're stupid. Stupid like a woman.

>>51751727
But he is not you.

>>51744772
I like using this as an opportunity to add flavor to different cultures. Different lands and people have widely varying views on a gender equality.

1. This adds social challenges when I want them to be there.

2. It makes the world seem richer and more realistic.

>>51751732
SICK BURN

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>>51749873

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>>51749873
>In my setting, men drive the perpetually-pregnant, lobotomized women around like they're chocobos, feeding them dogfood and plugging all their holes up so they can only void when permitted no matter how much their bodies may fail them.

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>>51751347
>Traditional gender roles is a relative thing. They depend on time period, place and social strata.
They change superficially, sure. But not fundamentally. You never see women protecting men or males spending more time child rearing than females do, etc. Of course, individuals can defy conventions, and the ideal situation isn't always the one people find themselves in, but we're talking large-scale stuff here - predispositions that lead people in one direction or another. How these predispositions present themselves depend on the environment, but the predispositions themselves don't change.

In humans in reality, anyway. In fantasy you can do whatever you want since you're god and your realm obeys no laws or reasons beyond your own.

In most RPGs the easiest thing to do is usually just pretend gender doesn't exist since dealing with gender-issues usually isn't all that interesting to most people, or at least it's too much of a bother to, well, bother with. It also takes extra effort to construct what is the necessarily a more complex world (it's hard to figure out how shameless sexists - and a society operated by such people - would behave in novel situations, at least for us who try not to be sexist and only encounter very mild forms of it at worst); effort which could be spent on other things. Like figuring out exactly how the racism would work in your amazing and unique setting.

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>>51750319
>TLDR some poor sap would be in charge of bathing a bunch of menstrual blood and feces caked lobotomized people, probably you.

Jokes on you that's my fetish!

>>51744772
It really depends on the society in question within my setting, but most societies are fairly egalitarian. While militaries are usually majority male plenty of females can become warriors for whatever reason.

>>51751807
Who raises the children and who gets to go to war might be important factors in you games but there a lot of other gender stuff that varied between societies. Who gets to marry who and in what quantities, how you track lineage, who get to have what civil and ritual positions - all those things might depend on environment and history but it's not like all medieval fantasy games have those firmly fixed.

>>51744772
Men are considered good focused specialists but poor overseers, while women can be best at everything but more valuable as administrators and leaders.
So, females take the overwhelming majority of the top leadership roles in pretty much every sphere of life. Middle is much more equal, but still skewed towards women.
Wives are more protected than husbands and have more informal power.
Oh, and the major religion is worship of four female saints.

>>51749873
Just read Dune, retard. Bene Tleilaxu.

>>51748709
Anon puts into words why I fucking hate the resident slut's catgirl homebrew additions to 40k.

Oh there's an entire sector of them? Their hair releases a very strong aphrodesiac so they're all rape-bait too? Oh, they're abhumans so those that the Imperium comes across uses them for cannon fodder and en masse charges? Oh right and they're given minimal equipment and no armor too, of course. Oh, you're a nudist so none of them have pants too? No fuck off I don't want any of these on my Rogue Trader's ship and I want you to fuck off and make a new character too.

Yeah, women are the more compassionate sex my ass. Christ.

>>51744867
Yes you can
One word: breeding farms

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>>51744772
>How equal are the sexes in your setting, /tg/?
The battle of the sexes is... complex.

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>>51744772
ancient rome/greece
human women are property

>>51744806
This.

>>51751798
kek

Oh anon, you cheeky monkey

>>51752586
He is more of the poo throwing kind of monkey.

>>51752425
You'l end up with a limited gene-pool and lots of freak babies.

>>51749119
What if it's a cute devil baby?

>>51751965
you can alter all you want, but unless the female dominated society is as brutal and warlike as the drow, it's unlikely to ever succeed in a temporary or even fantasy setting.

>>51749836
Does Sandra Clegane hate/fear her big sister?

>>51751345
That's a damn lie and you know it. Silm is the only drug I need

>>51751495
Wisdom and charisma casters, nigg

Shit, WIS are the best anyway

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>>51751345
males have both more retards and geniuses

>>51752784
Cite your sources if you want a meaningful discussion, master-baiter-san.

>>51752784
Or if you look at 4chan just more retards.

>>51752790
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Wendy_Johnson3/publication/240323443_Sex_Differences_in_Variability_in_General_Intelligence_A_New_Look_at_the_Old_Question/links/0c960527272f2b12b8000000.pdf

>>51752802
Thank you, now was that hard to do? It wasn't, so do it every time you want to engage in a discussion, especially on controversial topics.

>>51752696
>contemporary
There are countries that don't have armed forces. I doubt they would fall apart if they were dominated by women (whatever dominated means)
>fantasy
I can have society with whatever silly organisation succeed in fantasy. If it seems too farfetched I'd just give them a magic macguffin or some sort of powers.

>>51752835
You're not going to read it, are you, fagtron?
Why would you even ask for source if you're not going to read it and evaluate it? Are you that fucking dumb that you think utter shit cannot be pushed into sci journals?

>>51744772
Gender roles are typical in my setting, with a few differences.

>women can own property if they earn the money for it
>any land owner, regardless of gender, can have a hand in the democratic aspects of society
>Women adventurers are seen the same as male adventurers, as weirdos
>typically kept out of military, but certain neutral factions (like templar orders) will allow women to join as medics are cavalry troop.

>>51752981
Oh no, but I'd rather laugh at a person because he cites a retarded source than because he cites no sources at all.

>>51753116
>wahhh i got proven wrong and have no source for my retarded ramblings
project much

>>51744772
I fully acknowledge this thread as a bait thread.

Anyway, my setting has a fair amount of matriarchal societies in them. Ask me anything.

>>51753363
Do you have a femdom fetish?

>>51752426
Why is Master Roshi refereeing in a wargame between Catpoleon and Breadpoleon?

>>51753363
>be a man
>plays female characters
>creates matriarchal societies setting
hmmm

>>51753687
Don't shame me like this.

>>51753731
>be a man

But I'm not.

>>51753828
london

>>51744772
It varies on race.
Like, ogres? The men are a super strong, sure, but the women are more widely feared because in addition to being almost as strong, they are extremely fucking fast.
Basically, they jump off of the high rope of a tree and give you an elbow drop.

>>51744806
>You have 10 seconds to prove to me why this isn't the single best way to handle gender relations in your Typical D&D Setting
It implies that everything works, at least socially-wise but hinting at more, exactly the same as it does in our world, showing that there is no fundamental difference between the setting of your campaign and reality itself except a few dragons and orcs, which leads to question your creativity.
Uops, 11 seconds. But typing on a tablet feel like I can give myself some leeway.

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>>51749901
>The Rwandan genocide was committed over the curvature of a nasal ridge!
I'mma just stop you there, because you're leaving out the massive socio-economic aspects of the Rwandan genocide.

See, even before Rwanda was colonized you had Hutus and Tutsis (and other groups, but they weren't as prominent), with the Tutsi being the most prosperous groups. When the germans colonized the place they didn't really do all that much with that social structure, although they did reinforce Tutsi supremacy somewhat. However, when Belgium later took over they RIGIDLY enforced the racial divide (before this there had been some intermingling and social mobility, like Hutus becoming honorary Tutsi), including forcing people to carry papers disclosing their heritage. Because when it came to colonial powers, belgians were massive cunts.

Fast forward a few decades, and the ingrained divide in social class, culture and politics, an attempted revolution, mass political upheaval and a military coup had left Rwanda a fucking powder keg. The final catalyst for the genocide was when a plane carrying the president (read: military dictator) of the country was shot down (and people are still arguing over who were responsible).

But I guess people could have been really angry about noses too.

>>51754099
>massive cunts

They had the right idea. Prove me wrong

>>51749901
>The Japanese...
This is how half of all Internet myths start, because it's cool to hate anime and the Japanese.
Zainichi Koreans and Chinese, due in part to US support after WWII and the Korean War, Japanese left-wing apologists and Korean companies being kept afloat with government money in Japan's depressions, have managed to mix so deeply into society that no one ever talks about it. Even the people with ruler-straight eyebrows and bulldog jaws named Hayashi or Kaneko are treated as normal Japanese people, even if they're genetically 100% Korean, because the Japanese nation has been bullied by the US and Korea into not even wanting to mention those things.
Zainichi Koreans own a large amount of the Japanese food (Lotte) and banking/media (Softbank) sectors, receive money from their homeland when Japan is doing badly in order to keep them privileged, and no discussion of anything even remotely approaching Japan-Korea politics are possible on media, at work or even in person unless you and your friend are both extreme right-wingers.
It's like you haven't even been in Japan.

>>51754266
Abe pls stop shitposting and get back to governing

>>51754187
Oh, fuck off.

>>51754329
Just like I thought, you're incapable of forming an actual cohesive arguments instead of mindlessly repeating "facts" you've rehearsed, you dumb fucking cuck.

>>51754353
>cuck
For the love of god, /pol/, pls go. Or at least prove how the belgians did a single fucking thing right.

>>51754319
畏まりましたブサヨ
お前がインターネット掲示板西も朝鮮人も土器を守りながら俺が日本の為に一生懸命がんばるわ
ほんとに日本にチョンを誘うのは国を助けると思ってるのか? お前のような日本のこと何も分からない外人共めとキムチ猿を憧れてる日本人の売国奴も目が結局国を滅ぼすだけ
はいはい、確かに"アニメと日本人を恨んだらかっこよくなれるニダ~"と言われたかもしれないだけどだまされてるだけだよ
キムチの海に溺れろトンスル戦士

>>51754402
>muh /pol/

Nice adhumanum. I can't exactly take you seriously if you're gonna resort to throwing a tantrum like that.

>did a single thing right

Exploiting unga bungas for profit is objectively the right thing to do if you're capable of it. If they're so smart and equal, why didn't they colonialize the Belgians?

>>51754474
>If they're so smart and equal, why didn't they colonialize the Belgians?
You should read Guns, Germs, and Steel. It explains this in great detail.

>>51754482
Don't deflect my question, answer it.

>>51754482
>race is a social construct
lol

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>>51754482
>read this SJW propaganda it proves me right

IMEはちゃんとした日本人がしゃべってる日本語を分からない、なぜなら下朝鮮出身の人もどきがたぶんそう仕掛けたんだから
下朝鮮人もどきを書きたかった

>Something like gender roles are universal in a setting, not specific from one community to another
I always handled it as a where you are, rather than universal rules for the setting. Some places its a bad place to be a woman, others everyone suffers and triumphs with little distinction of gender, finally the places where its a good place to be a woman.

>>51754474
Anon, even within the framework of colonialism the belgians were stupidly murderous. Reducing the population of your own colonies by millions is not fucking productive. When even other colonial powers, no slouches in the exploitation department, sit up and go "Dude, that's not cool.", it might be time to rethink your approach.

Also, belgians were shitters who were butthurt that they were insignificant on an international level.

>>51751347
>Women are expected to be housewives
>In a medieval setting
That's a good joke.

>>51753688
>Why is Master Roshi refereeing in a wargame between Catpoleon and Breadpoleon?
It was a terribad series parodying anime tropes on Adult Swim.
I thought it was just a poorly written, drug-fueled lolrandumb festival for tasteless stoners.
I think pic related is a peace treaty near the point where it occured to me that the war between the hotdogs and the cats might be a metaphor for the battle of the sexes.
I realized that much of the nonsense in the series, with the obvious exceptions of Space Ghost cameos and the like, could be taken as a reference to gender dynamics, and within that framework, Catman, the mercenary, could be an allegory for transgenderism.
Also, it was a poorly made, drug-fueled lolrandumb festival for tasteless stoners.
But to be certain I'd have to rewatch it.
I'm not going to do that.

>>51754599
explain

>>51744806
I think you're on point.
Occasionally, if I'm running a "historical" game, I up the number of chauvinists.

>>51754505
Well, since you're so nice.

Choke on a dick and fucking die you cumslurping gonard. I hope all your loved ones slowly wither and die before you.

And I really mean that.

The book goes into much more detail than I can remember, or will put into a post here, but here's a brief overview:

>Domestication of large animals
Cows, ox, yaks, etc etc are wonderful tools for a great many things. Meat, milk, and labor. It would be impossible to plow a field by hand in many areas, but hitching a plow to an ox not only means you'll be more productive but have more workable land.

With increased domestication of animals you also are exposed to more diseases, such as cow pox. These diseases make the population resistant to more deadly ones, much like small pox or the black plague.

>Crops
Eurasia is a lateral continent rather than a vertical one. Meaning it is wider than it is tall. This is crucial for the spread of staple crops like wheat and rice. With more areas in the same latitude, read sharing the same environment, they spread further and faster. It also means that more techniques can be developed by parallel or even competing cultures or civilizations.

Both the domestication of crops and animals plays into the second layer of why Europe came to conquer and control Africa and the New World.

>>Organization
When it is more prudent to to settle in an area rather than hunt and gather, assuming you have the proper crops and animals, complexity and specialization of cultures increase hand in hand.

>Specialization
If everyone in a village is a subsistence farmer, you don't have time to invest in discovering forging, or woodworking, or any number of the other things that were discovered in the Fertile Crescent, Europe, and China. When you don't spend all of your time growing food so you don't starve, people develop different skills.

>>CONTINUED YOU FUCK

>>51754636
Depends on where, but I imagine life of the medieval ages is a lot like running a farm; everybody works.

>>51754657
We get it, you hate white people. No need to continue.

>>51754657
>Continued

Please, spare us the embarassment. Be butthurt somewhere else.

>>51754657
When you have the time to develop a trade, such as smithing or masonry, you don't need to grow your own food as well because the society as progressed to such a point where not everyone needs to. Classes develop and expand. Trades flourish and continue to expand leading to greater and greater developments. The water mill, for example, is a perfect case. People had the time to figure out how to build something to grind grain so that people don't need to do it anymore saving more time allowing farmers to grow more food to support a larger population.

>Complexity
With these larger and larger societies, social classes also begin to form. Look at a subsistence farming village, while there is a 'Chief' or 'Big Man' his home is very similar to all the other ones there. That's because the culture cannot support a purely bureaucratic person. In contrast, if you look at early medieval Europe, you see Kings and Emperors. The difference is the above. A larger more specialized society can support administrators who only do that over larger and larger areas.

That explains why Europe, China, and the Middle East did so well. but why not Africa, the Pacific Islands (generally speaking, there are exceptions), and the Americas?

By and large the cultures present in Africa, the Americas, and the Pacific Islands didn't have the right animals to domesticate, the right crops to farm. Causes them to stagnate.

When all of this evidence is put together, it is only natural that Europe, China, and the Middle Eastern cultures conquered less advanced people. It isn't about race, its about resources and opportunity.

>>51754695
It's a shame these people don't practice what they preach and just kill themselves.

>>51745011
>B-b-but roasties are stupid, weak and can't accomplish anything!
Dafuq is a roastie, some king of reddit buzzword?

>>51754764
Its some /pol/ /r9k/ hybrid buzzword to describe women.

>>51754764
Roastie is a 4chan word that's been around longer than /tg/ has, just largely used in the scarier boards you've never visited.

>>51754781
/tg/ is older than roastie.

/tg/ is older than /r9k/ and /pol/

>>51754792
That's some prime historical revisionism you got there, almost as bad as >>51754734, >>51754657

>>51754734
Gums, Germs, and Steel is retarded because it gets it completely wrong and somehow assumes a geographic approach works for sociological and biological problems. What's worse is that it assumes Europe and East Asia are paradises and Africa is some barren wasteland devoid of resources. What's even worse is how it does such a poor job of surveying the world in terms of geography, completely ignoring features like the river systems of each continent, which are critical to early trade and diffusion of culture.

Excess and plenty is exactly what Africa has over every single other continent. That's one reason why they largely remained hunters and gatherers, because they never had an inward societal pressure to advance any further.
Scarcity and harsh winters make civilization. People are forced to innovate or they die outright.

>>51754482

lol

>>51754792
But not /n/, which is where people started using roastie, in 2006.

>>51754821
Isn't that one reason China got slowed down after being on top of shit for so long, because they just had everything figured out and didn't have to bother with shit, allowing others to get ahead of them?

>>51754821
>Excess and plenty is exactly what Africa has over every single other continent. That's one reason why they largely remained hunters and gatherers, because they never had an inward societal pressure to advance any further.
>Scarcity and harsh winters make civilization. People are forced to innovate or they die outright.

This. Africa has a fuckload of resources AND it is the environment ALL humans have evolved to live in. It doesn't matter where humans live on what continent, they will always prefer to live in environments that are similar to Africa.

Hell, you can even see it in landscape art. Most artists prefer to paint, and most people prefer to look at big open flowing fields of grass intersected with rivers, mountains in the distance and forests dotted around the place.

Guns, Germs, and steel should always be taken with a huge helping of salt, its more of a thought experiment then iron-clad fact.

>>51754878
China had opportunities for both industrialization and maritime expansion just like Europe, for whatever reason they largely didn't capitalize on them. For instance, A Ming emperor burned down the entire imperial fleet, which was fully equipped and ready to explore the rest of the world.
Also, the concept of bureaucracy happened for them fairly early in their history, which probably has something to do with their inward focus.

>>51744806

Because I run a setting where a female adventurer would be seen as a piece of meat to be raped if she isn't hiding indoors. Women without a man to protect them are fair game to practically anyone with the testicles to pursue them. Men fight over women to the death and the beautiful ones are showered with wealth and have many powerful men at their disposal.

>>51754969
I've never seen someone successfully run FATAL. what's the secret?

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>>51754532

>>51755182
real question is who saves and posts images like this

>>51755285
You do.

>>51744772
Two of the most powerful characters in my setting are women. One's a wizard/rogue multiclass that helps the PC's from time to time.
The other is an elven death/dread knight that rides a Nightmare and is the BBEG's lieutenant.
Other than that they're useless wallflowers or wise old crones.
Those two either save or kill NPC's at whenever I need to shape things.

So while in my setting the average woman has less authority than the average man, those two exceptions make it clear there are exceptions.

I'M GOING TO OVERSIMPLIFY THINGS USING A TERRIBLE METAPHOR

Imagine there's a fantasy society where people are aware of the mechanistic rules of DnD, and are aware of their stat blocks within these rules. Further, they have a limited ability to effect how their skill ranks/proficiencies and ability scores get distributed.

Obviously, not everyone can be a wizard, but they can distribute the "standard array" of 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13 as they please among their six ability scores, as well as shopping for skills.

Men are under a *lot* of pressure not to use Str as their dump stat. They can recognize when an adult man assigned an 8 or 9 to his Str, and they can see the mockery he gets from other men. Not only do women not experience this pressure, but women who put 12 or 13 in their Str tend to also get disapproval for it--and again, other women, including young women trying to decide where to assign their stats, can see this as well.

Conversely, women are under a lot of pressure to be proficient in Sense Motive checks. One of the biggest challenges of IRL women is judging the moods of men, and if this fantasy society is anything real life the women will consciously pick the option that helps them navigate inter-gender relations.

If you simply assume the same gender roles as in real life society, and allow people to optimize their stats, you get bunches of men and women who reflect many of our stereotypes, simply because choosing to conform to those stereotypes makes it easier to fulfill the role society has assigned to them.

>>51755375
wow, it's almost as if stereotypes are based in reality instead of fiction.

CLOSE.

It's more as if stereotypes are real because we allow them to become real.

>>51744772

Women take care of their children

Men take care of their women

Kings take care of their men

God takes care of kings

Childrens' tears keeps God going

It's a vicious cycle

>>51744772
Pretty much totally equal.

All five of them. Does it help that my setting doesn't have humans?

>>51755338
Are they lesbians?

>>51744806
FPBP

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>>51754099
>Germany
>No-fun-allowed "there were no potatoes in medieval Europe"-tier autism

>England
>Murderhobo with pith helmets

>France
>"Dare you enter my colonial realm?"

>Belgium
>Virt

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>>51744772

Highly unequal.

However, because the universe of that said setting is not polluted with cultural-marxist dribble this is not seen as a negative thing, but rather the optimization of the innate strengths of each sex while limiting the negatives of each sex's weakness.

Men have their own roles and duties and women theirs, with society as a whole blossoming with the roles of each respective sex supporting one another, rather than competing, undermining or making obsolete the other.

A lot of the unequality also stems from age old customs and superstition, like women are not allowed to be present at a warrior's funeral, with the exception of corpse-collectors alias valkyrs.

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>>51755907
this post is so meta

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>>51755907
>TFW the only application your women and gender studies degree has is in make believe

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>>51756027

>>51756050
>Implying

>>51756050
when's the last time someone got banned for shitposting on /tg/

>>51756085
>Implying Implying

>>51755907
>literally a 9fag tier reply

>>51756225
>literally a butthurt /pol/ faggot reply

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>>51754099
Hey I just wanted to say I actually liked the argument you set down here and it makes sense with what I know of European colonialism in the African context. History is always a lot more complex than the simple explanations.

>>51756235
>le pol boogyman

wew lad

>>51744772
They are two parts of a whole. The dominant religion claims that God made Man and Woman as one half of God's own image, intended to cooperate with one another. The man makes the money while the woman budgets their finances. The man fights an enemy after the woman determines who the enemy is. The man builds the house, the woman fills it so that it becomes a home.

Of course this might be different in other cultures with different backgrounds, but most of what isn't the country the game takes place in receives little mention, as it's an intentional "this is left open so you can make your character's native culture". Few have ventured more than a few miles from the edge of their towns, and most of those who have simply follow whatever roads stretch outward to the towns closest to their own and back.

>>51756303
Your mom is pol boogyman.

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>this thread right now

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>>51755907
>>51755991
>>51756027
>>51756050
>>51756085
>>51756094
>>51756225
>>51756235
>>51756303
>>51756335

let's not turn this thread into this and instead discuss OP's topic, m'kay?

>>51756405
Devils advocate, the original topic was also bait shit

This whole thread is shit and full of garbage, sure, but it's just a different SORT of garbage than the kind OP was fishing for

What you should really do is walk away. Give me your pump, your oil, your gasoline. And the whole compound. And i'll spare your lives. Just walk away. I'll give you safe passage in the wasteland. Just walk away, and there will be an end to the horror.

PCs are exceptional so I'll let female warriors slide just like I'll let certain race/class combos slide.
The NPCs occupy a setting where traditional gender roles are the norm but are not explicitly so.
I've never had to go into depth about how traditional my settings are because my players aren't fags.

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>>51756313
>The man makes the money while the woman budgets their finances. The man fights an enemy after the woman determines who the enemy is.

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>>51756405
This thread was doomed to go down the toilet from the start.

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>>51744772
It's fairly plain, if a bit grim fantasy setting, minimal magic and most non-humans are outright monsters. Tech is fairly typical late (early 1400s) medieval, including early guns.

Weirdly equal at the top and bottom ends of society (out of necessity on one and luxury on the other) with only really the town-dwelling merchant/other skilled production classes getting more stuck with having to conform to more traditional gender roles, due to the pressure to produce economically leaving people at home more and the demands of security meaning men, being more directly disposable than their wives (who tend to be primary inheritors), end up sharing more of the burden of violence.

Does tend to produce a noticeable amount of women in command during times of siege though, due to the wife-favouring inheritance laws meaning they've tended to end up with a lot of wealth directly at the top end of society, so since they can pay for defence of their domains there's serious incentive for them to oversee it directly when the shit is going down.

And it's a fairly violent setting with lots of monsters so there's plenty of opportunity for all to get stuck in at times.

>>51744772
I pretty much go with Viking rules. There are traditional gender roles, but people can break out of them if they prove themselves skilled enough at another gender's role. Shieldmaidens out the ass, and not all of them use shields.

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>>51744772
Women are better at magic. Men are better at being physically strong. Magic > Might.

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>>51744772
This equal.

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>>51749873
>>51751798
>>51752586

>>51744772
Stone-age-ish fantasy setting. It varies.
Some races (humans) are weakers than most and compensate by a higher tech level and a sedentary life. They tend to live in fortified villages, and since there's a good chance marauding tribes will present a serious threat, women are generally homemakers, kept out of danger, and men are expected to do the fighting.

In strong and rapidly breeding races (orcs), gender is less of an issue. Everybody who can raid does, and if you lose some tribe members you can always capture or buy slaves to repopulate. Warriors who are good enough to get old usually join the council of the elders, regardless of gender.

Centaurs live in very autonomous and defensive herds. Usually, their shamans are women, although there's nothing really preventing a male from accessing that role. It's just that centaurs are extremely family-driven, but a foal usually forms a stronger bond with its mother, and so their society tends to be slightly matriarcal.

Halflings live in the cold North, and are packed in too many layers of fur to perceive gender adequatly. So as much as I think they'd be very protective with pregnant women and young children, they'd need every available pair of hands, as early as possible. Maybe they raise their young pinguin-style, I haven't really thought about them, since none of my players picked them yet.

The other races, I haven't really thought about. Varies. But in any case, a tribal-verse allows for a wide variety of cultures, and so my players can play whatever they want, and go with or against whatever tradition they want.
Maybe that's laziness on me, but I like building the verse with my players.

>>51744806
This.

Anyone who says otherwise is neckbeard autist to the max.

You're there to play a fucking game, not write a goddamn historical novel.

We must, in my view, always have the right to pick the best man for the job, regardless of sex.

>>51744806

What's the point of picking a woman then? If your sex or orientation has no impact on your character, why aren't you playing a man instead?

>>51744772
Women and men are distinct, call it 'realistic' if you like but if you are ambushed by bandits, they will be a group of desperate men.

If a society were to collapse, or a city be under dire siege, woman would throw rocks, etc, but otherwise are not well suited to campaigning as a knight or courier would be.

I don't have a problem with the "D&D" idea of equality, but no woman I've ever seen in the army was as attractive as the women in the art for RPGs.

>>51757302
what's the point of playing with friends if you can't come across as a virtuous and giving individual who does not discriminate, in even the most mundane and inappropriate contexts

>>51757302
I don't think he meant that the sexes were 100% scientifically the same.

I agree that it's poorly worded insofar as he said 'traditional gender roles most of the time' rather than 'most women aren't suited to the adventuring life.'

Regardless, it has mostly the same outcome.

>why aren't you playing a man instead

I've never seen anyone play a woman for anything but the novelty.

>>51757361

I'm angry with the GM if he doesn't do it. I see it as a challenge and I play such character myself.

>>51757361
Maybe he has friends that agree on sexual realism.

I'd love to see the friends of someone who lists 'non-discrimination' as their top virtue.

>>51744772
From what I've seen of the setting so far equal, NPC towns do default to standard gender roles for the most part but no one really seems to care if you stray from them much less bat an eye at female adventurers

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>>51755375
>using a terrible metaphor or analogy to oversimplify things in order to briefly explain a misunderstood issue
This is my jam!

Women are smaller and weaker than men, hence they tend to be more ruthless, more likely to get a knife, cunning, and bloodthirsty than males to compensate. While males are more aggressive, it often made manifest in forms, codes and displays of power. Women takes things much more personal.

>>51757396
-4 STR

>>51754482
Anon, that book is shit.
Not even pol or lefty pol, but c'mon.
This one isn't bad at destroying diamonds and it's worded so even the tipical college educated american could understand.
http://pastebin.com/nqzsAWX8

>>51754657
Geographical determinism is still retarded

>>51757910

Not really. Geography shapes culture and limits one's potential.

>>51757923
North and South Korea

Now fuck off

>>51757923
Explain Nogalez, Sonora versus Nogalez, Arizona

>>51757923
In part, but it's only one of the dozens of ways a culture is shaped.

>>51757927

Go on, show me a tropical country that it is not a basket case. You overrate human valour.

>>51757971
Concession accepted

>>51757302
>>51757396
Not everything needs to have some sort of drawback anon, especially fluff that has no practical effects on the game's mechanics or the narrative.

I'd rather play in a game where nobody gives a shit about what gender everyone else is playing, than a campaign where every other NPC we encounter is either a chauvanist, a fedora tipping moron, or a rapist whose characterization is less than that of an orc.

>>51757971
>basket case
SEA, India, or Panama, Singapor, depending of the meaning of basket case. Because I would like to know a country than isn't a basket case.

>>51757302
why make your character blind, crazy, awkward, brutish, eerie, annoying, mean, trusting or literally any trait that isn't solely positive, it's for the beauty of making characters. I personally make characters that fit my gender but why does it invalidate a character if they aren't?
Side note, I am a cys white het buzzword male who doesn't believe in social justice. I just get really passionate about dungeons and dragons

>>51758139
>India
>Literally can't be stop shitting on the streets
>Not a basket case

>>51744772
Depends on the setting.

>>51758314
They have been one of the richest parts of the world since ever, it's only now than they are shit compared to the rest.

>>51758139

If anything, it is geography that helps these ones.

>Panama = Panama channel
>Singapour = Trade choke point.
>SEA = Same.
>India = Most fertile region on the entire planet. Impassable mountains protects them from invaders from land.

>>51754042
Well, seeing as the dragons and orcs are the main point of playing D&D, that's perfectly fine.

>>51757302
Because Roleplaying. You know, one of the core parts of ROLEPLAYING Games?

>>51752425
Even with the use of fertility Drugs, that's only a few babies every year. Not to mention that successive pregnancies can have health complications for the women.

Even then, the purity of the gene pool would be HEAVILY compromised now that most of the children are half-siblings.

>>51758511

I'm all for options, but if you play an orc, you should be expected to be hated. If you are a thief, don't expect people to not watch their pockets or ban you from entering their homes. If you play a devil, don't expect many people to trust you.

>>51757344
>I don't have a problem with the "D&D" idea of equality, but no woman I've ever seen in the army was as attractive as the women in the art for RPGs.

Depends on your fetishes.

>>51758381
Why is Nogales, Sonora so different then Nogales, Arizona?

Nobody is arguing that geography doesn't matter; that's a ridiculous strawman. What people are arguing against is geographical determinism or geographical primacy

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>>51744772
Physically or socially?

In my high-adventure games, women and men are closer together/more even in terms of physical capability; this is consistent and prevents people from bitching about -4 strength memes.

Otherwise actual gender roles depend entirely on the culture in question. In the vague, generic 1000-1200 CE Medieval Europe cultures, see >>51744806. The occasional double-take at female adventurers from more isolated villagers, but it's usually obvious the woman in question is a big mover and shaker, so they know better than to be a dick about it.

>>51759343
I should specify that the whole "physically more even," bit has as much to do with potential as anything else. Random housewives aren't suddenly muscle-bound, but if they decided to train with their militaman husband then they'd put on some bulk with him--or tone, depending on her genetic disposition, just like anyone in real life.

>>51744772
Pretty much equal, except for tbe race of bee people. They have different stats, sizes, and advancement options. They're roughly equal in usefulness, I think, but they fill different roles. Setting-wise, gender equality varies a lot between cultures (aforementioned bee society really valuing their queens, fot example). But for the most part, it's even.

>>51754474
>why cant I into basic anthropology
because africa has no domesticable animals.

>>51759852
Any animal can be domesticated if you hit them enough.

>>51759852
They may not have naturally had them, but elephants, camels, horses and cattle were all imported. Probably pigs and goats as well.

I know if nothing else there were semi-nomadic cattle herders in South Africa long before the Dutch got there.

>>51754821
>durr eyem retarded
no dumbass, it doesnt assume theyre paradises, it makes it clear though, unfortunately for your tiny mind to not comprehend, that shiny fucking rocks and other raw materials aren't fucking useful for developing nations. you need animals to domesticate.

where are the most organized and structured societies in the americas? what did they all have in common? animals that where domesticable (in less quantity)

>>51754885
see>>51759949
you mouth breathing head up your ass ostrich

>>51759949
You finally got back from school, welcome back.

>>51759898
no, any animal can be tamed if you hit them enough you fucking idiot. its like talking to creationists. I have a real job to get to, you racist retards can get back to ignoring science and the massive amount of history and evidence pointing to how society developed.

fucking white supremacists should be the ones called niggers, they never shut up about IQ scores and why africa isn't a huge empire despite tons of contributing factors that are known to anyone who isn't in the same level of conspiracy thinking as the idiots who think aliens from space are eating us.

>>51758366
DESIGNATED

>>51760017
you're a funny guy

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>>51759852
>africa has no domesticable animals

>>51760017
>any animal can be tamed if you hit them enough
>if you hit them enough
Anon, have you ever interacted with animals? That's not how domestication works.

>>51762504
well, it actually is. It's just the mean way to do it.