Warhammer 40,000 General/40kg/

>>51742104
First for Templars

Sure is slow when there's no leaks to talk about...

>>51742161
It's slow during work and school hours.

I want to use a DE Tantalus, but i cant find the 3rd edition of the Apoc book since the main mega went down. Anybody have it?

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Repost because i want an answer, i`ve got a question

I plan to use the Emperor's Talon Recon Company for some fluffy games in the future and i just read that one of the sentinels becomes a character, does that mean that he could by my warlord and get warlord traits ?

So the Necrons are going Lawful Neutral, huh? Trazyn is even HELPING HUMANS now.

>>51742176
>Americans

>>51742182
yes

>>51742176
It's like 8:30 pm in Bongistan, the country of this game's origin

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The Ynnari list now means I can take stick aspect warriors inside of venoms without having to deal with allies, and I can take swooping hawks and scourges together too. Wraithguard in raiders and Archons dropping squads of wraithblades onto your face.
Cool.

>>51742195
Fuck it, I'm going to order 12 sentinels

>>51742191
>europeens
Shouldn't you be asleep mate

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>>51742195
thanks, that means that i can legally field sergeant Dauntless and his fearless warband of Sentinel pilots, ready to destroy the emperors enemies

>>51742207
6 are enough for that formation, but of course 12 would be better and i think they may even be kinda effective

>>51742209
I'm an Americal, too. Britbongs should be finishing diner about now. Tea time is serious. God save the Queen.

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I just posted this in the old thread and only after that I noticed the new one opened.

Any thoughts on this list? I still have to buy everything, so I can change ideas in any moment. I plan on buying both the Start Collecting box and the other big one with 40 Gaunts, Gargoyles and a Carnifex plus other stuff because the Elite slots must be there.

>>51742234
when is tea time?

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Alright /40kg/, I've been working on fluffing my donut steels, and would like some feedback.

>Technically a renegade Dark Angels successor chapter
>Made up of chapter marines who have fallen under the influence of Cypher or his company
>Basically the Fallen, but not 10 millennia old
>Cypher's influence is not necessarily bound to the Dark Angels, members may be drawn from any chapter
>kind of like a renegade Deathwatch, although the large majority are going to be Dark Angels
>Initiation into the chapter includes placing one's right hand upon the alleged Lion Sword, being gifted visions of the ancient past
>Marines paint their right arm red as a reminder of the visions they see
>Similar to the Deathwatch, marines repaint their armor, but may keep their previous chapter's heraldry and shoulder badge, though none of it's color
>Like the Fallen, they operate almost entirely in secret, drawing the Imperium's attention only when it benefits them
>Unit composition complies with the Codex Astartes, will be fielded using the Dark Angels Codex

The name I've called them so far is the Angels of Atonement, though this wasn't meant to be permanent. Some of my reasons for doing this is I currently play Dark Angels, but one of the people in my circle (whom I met after collecting a sizeable army) ALSO plays Dark Angels. I don't like that we can't play against each other without the table looking like my unkempt back yard. So, being that I enjoy painting MUCH more than he, I have decided to repaint my army. This way also allows me to use some bits and transfers that would never have been used otherwise, and I have an excuse to buy some of the cool chapter-specific boxes without starting another army.

So what say you, /tg/? Would any of this trigger your autism to the point that you wouldn't play me anymore?

>>51742161
I can always shitpost about New Celestine not being a SoB.

>>51742308
I'd probably want to play against you more, especially if it was a narrative campaign

>>51742207
What is this infatuation with horrible open topped overpriced heavy weapons platforms? I was addicted to Armored Core too but I'm not a sadist

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>>51742104

Fucking op

YE forgot the weekly Regimental Thread

>https://regimental-standard.com/2017/02/15/the-visarch-chic-or-shabby/

>It is the measure of the man, and not his wargear, that matters in the eyes of the Emperor.’

Also

>Congratulations to Officer Giampapa for transcribing today’s missive. He has broken the record for informational footnotes. A Commissar has been to dispatched to talk to him about wasting Departmento Munitorum paper.

>>51742308
No.
The only issue is that Cypher is secretive as all hell and wouldn't let a bunch of weirdos touch his sword for anything.
Also the name is off putting, are they actually atoning for something or are they just ditching the Imperium? I would seek a more appropriate title

>>51742308
Where I play we never discuss for. Our at least not the fluff of our OC armies. Most you'd get is "cool paint job".

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>>51742380
It is a badass model though

>>51742308
I really like the premise, but not so much the name or colors. I don't really think the name is fitting, and I think red+purple is going to look weird on the table

>>51742431
I should stop using swype
>We never discuss fluff or at least not the fluff of our oc armies

>>51742308
i would wait with the fluff until we get the 3rd gathering storm with cypher

>>51742388
Well, I was kinda playing into the secretive thing so that I wouldn't be stepping on any established canon.

I really like the one arm painted a different color, but I feel like it ought to represent something.

>>51742431
If that's the case call them Cypher's Watch or something, or the Fallen Watch, a name like that suggests who they really are without having to write an essay on it

>>51742431
Same thing here, I think the most I've been asked is what their name is and who the founding chapter was.

So the fuck list builder app do I use now that Battlescribe is dead? For ipad.

>>51742524
PEN
AND
PAPER

>>51742524
Not to be snarky but excel works well

>>51742455
I've been out of the fluff loop for a while and didn't realize this was a thing.

Perhaps I ought to just stick with "Purple Dudes" for a while longer.

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r8, h8, m4st3r b8

>>51742530

> PEN AND PAPER

Yeah if i want to piss my opponent off spending half an hour writing my list.

>>51742524
battlescribe is dead?
if so the WAAAGHBuilder from op

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>>51742543
First one was castellans.

>>51742554

Not literally dead, but they stopped supporting the old app meaning it crashes every time I try to open it, and the new app has all 1 star reviews saying it -also- crashes when opened.

Would anyone throw a bitchfit if I modeled my Crusader squads with two chainswords and holstered bolt pistol? Not enough pistol arms and it looks cool plus it makes no difference rules wise.

>>51742542
short version, guiiliman wakes up and somehow ends in an alliance with cypher. They even made a new model. Will be out in a month or so

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Is this already a canon chapter scheme?

Is the Cavalcade or Brood Cycle the better choice for a GSC decurion? I was thinking brood cycle for more bodies, but are the chimera and leman Russ worth it if I was going to take a Core+ Uprising + Demolition Claw?

>>51742552
It shouldn't take you more than 5 minutes. I can do a 2k list in that time.

>>51742552
>Not writing your list beforehand

List-tailoring Tau scum detected

>>51742590

Well that's real neato for you, but it's still infinitely faster to just pick off a list and not fuck up your options or math.

>>51742622
Well fine, do it the efficient way you wacko

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>>51742308
You should use this scheme instead

>>51742570
Probably not.

>>51742543
Thats not how platoons work. One platoon counts as on troops choice, and comes standard with one platoon commander and two gaurdsmen squads (not veterans)

>>51742620
that's just the result of carrying 2000+ points of models around with you and someone comes over and wants a 1000 point game.

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Thoughts?

>>51742620

Nah, I just buy way more models than I actually need then shake up my list according to whim for variety.

I don't generally write until I meet my opponent because I don't know if we'll be playing 1000, 1500, 2000 or some arcane other number.

>>51742649
>Not having pre-defined and written up lists for every point value

>>51742543
The Platoon is missing 2 required Infantry Squads, since Conscripts are part of a platoon there's 3 (1 incomplete) troop choices in that detachment.

Formation CCS is missing its required transport, a Manticore/Deathstrike is missing and there's only 1 of 2 artillery units unless this is some Emp's Wrath formation I don't remember.

inb4 someone comes along and asks for this
https://mega.nz/#!0VMEUDwY!sHAG1fL-7LjOSFSnCqN8IMnMcU2990lRvX5czVBZE6c
https://mega.nz/#!RBlDHBwJ!dzZZqU_71Cd_xDQZBF84nlFLrD1Qsyp6gZ0JqZPQxk8

>>51742543
thats not how it works
if you tank an allied detachment you need 1 troop 1hq
hq=pask

1troop = 1 veteran squad
OR
1 infantry platoon (the whole platoon is 1 choice)

a platoon has
1 Platoon command
2-5infantry squads
0 - 3? special/heavy weapon squads
0-1 conscript squad

>>51742307
When the Big Bong bongs several times past midde deigh.

>>51742687
God bless you anon

>>51742636
Why tf this nibba look like he bout to backhand a sister of battle round her face and call her ho?

>>51742552
>taking half an hour to scribble down a list
Are you a special student?

>>51742649
>>51742664
It should be easy to have lists pre made for the most common point values. If someone really wants to play at 1250 or whatever, then you can just look at the differences between your 1000 and 1500 list and add some things to meet that value on the fly.

If I'm looking for a pickup game, I don't want to wait around for to to write a physical list, or watch you sit on your phone for 10 minutes and then have to read over things to make sure the program is actually right.

>>51742705
His pimp hand touched the alleged Lion Sword anon

>>51742104
>>51741214
>It has a boner for Priest with plasmaguns
>No idea why you would like to put a plasma gun to your single wound 25 points model that is better off as support in Melee for his war hymns
I was thinking the same thing. I mean, a Priest with a Plasma Gun is worth it maybe if you have Kurov's Aquila or you put it in a Command Squad with Straken and fill it up with Plasma and the Medic because of Straken's melee buffs combining well with a Priest, as well as Monster Hunter working well with Plasma, but that's an incredible waste of points. That's like 355 points for a Guard HQ that isn't a Tank Commander.

Personally I like to take a Priest from the IA book so I can have one with the Book of St Lucius. 5 Points to make War Hymns auto-pass which is great if you only really have one giant blob. It's even better if you manage to get Forewarning from a Psyker and get a re-rollable 4++. Also Jacobus is pretty worth it too for blobs with or without the Castellans. 12 inch Counter-Attack and Fearless bubble with Castellans ingrained Hatred is solid. Plus LD9 War Hymns for the blob he's a part of.

>>51742723

Yes.

I mean, I'm in university now, but I still suck at basic math and have sloppy as hell handwriting because the special school I got sent to in my primary years let kids "study at their own pace" so suddenly I find out I'm four years behind in math when I'm transferred back to regular people school.

Incompetent fucks. Was a nightmare cramming back through the coursework to get caught up.

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thoughts? the basic idea is to avoid the enemy trust and attack from a flank

tried to make a not-too-cheesy ynnari list

>>51742645
>>51742693
I like how the instructions to take a platoon and its effect on FOC is clearly explained in 2 sentences on top of the page.

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>>51742636
Welp

>>51742359
They are great. I use them a lot too because they are den out of den cute cute and decently effective. Emperor's Talon gives Armored Sentinels Outflank too. 3 Armored Walking with Plasma Canons is 5 points less than an Executioner with more hull points. It's not as good as an Executioner, but it draws less attention, plus the other 3 Armored Sentinels could outflank with Multi-Lasers or Autocannons or Lascannons and they get preferred enemy vs one unit, and there's always something worth while like a big MC or a squadron of MCs/vehicles.

>>51742182
Proud of you son. Emperor's Talon is a good formation by Guard standards. It's still weak compared to other armies, but you will have fun with it. Outflanking Armored Sentinels is great.

>>51742778
Use notepad you mong.

>>51742778
excel?
Openoffice calc?

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Rate my CSM list.

Death Guard Legion restrictions:
- everyone (that can) must buy MoN
- everyone (that can) gets VoTL for free
- every unit with VoTL gets: -1 Initiative, Feel no Pain (5+), Fearless and Relentless

Army List:

HQ:
Lord + Bike, P.fist, L. Claw, Mon, Sigil, VotLW - 165p

Troops:
7x Plague Marines + 2 Meltaguns, P.fist, Combi-melta, VotLW - 223p
7x Plague Marines + 2 Plasmaguns, P.fist, Combi-plasma, VotLW - 233p
Rhino + Havoc launcher - 47p
Rhino + Havoc launcher - 47p
10x Cultists + Autoguns, Flamer, 10 Mon - 83p


Elite:
3 x Chaos Terminators + 3 Combi-meltas, 3 Mon, VotLW - 130p
Helbrute + Twin-linked Lascannon - 125p

Fast Attack:
5x Bikers + 5 Mon, 2 Meltaguns, P.fist, VotLW - 185p

Heavy Support:
3x Obliterators + 3 Mon, VotLW - 228p
2x Obliterators + 2 Mon, VotLW - 152p
5x Havocs + 4 autocannons, 5 Mon, VotLW - 130p


1748/1750p.

A little weak in numbers of infantry, but I tried to make a fun list while staying overall flexible and competetive (I usualy play with friends who tend to try out different crazy lists and formations, so I can't realy expect to face any specific army/list).

P.S. The only reason I've a helbrute in my army is because I have a huge hard-on for forgeworld chaos dreadnoughts.

>>51742723
He plays 40k...

This may be a dumb question, but I've never dealt with Forge World so bare with me. When they say something is No Longer Available, do they mean they're waiting on restock or is it gone for good?

>>51742867
>- every unit with VoTL gets: -1 Initiative, Feel no Pain (5+), Fearless and Relentless
with this for your basic CSM squad, why bring plaguemarines?
especially since u are light on numbers anyway

>>51742958
gone/oop

otherwise its temporarily not available

>>51742267
>>51742267
I don't mean to offend, but this list is awful.
>Tyrant with all that junk
You really ought to build your tyrants for one job or another, not multiple. Drop the lashbone unless you know you're fighting something that hits faster and harder, or swap the stranglethorn for scything talons.
>Tyrant guard at over 200pts
If your tyrant is screened well enough, you won't need 3, and certainly not 3 with crushing claws. Two maybe, I've gotten solid results with one usually.
>3 expensive warriors
Again, give the squad one job. Time spent shooting is time not spent on running, and vice versa. Drop the guns for scyth tals and use bones words unless initiative is that much of a problem.
>expensive hormagaunts
Rule of thumb: never take more than one upgrade on gaunts. They become too expensive for their survivability, and will bleed points unless cheapened up.
>big blob o gants
This isn't bad, but I'd suggest breaking them up into two or three squads for flexibility.
>Hive guard
Not bad, just make sure they're aiming for light transports and fliers if possible, that said, you have better options for AA.
>3 zoans in a squad
Wanting the neurothrope is ok, but you're costing yourself synapse range and a possible instant KO if someone starts hammering them with S8 or higher. The biggest issue with this list is the low and vulnerable synapse count.
>3 venoms in a squad
You really should only take two. Taking separate units of these guys will be more helpful when possible.
>(assuming) can opener fex in the transport
Solid, but needs support from one or two other deep striking squads.

I'd focus on spending fewer pts per model and stacking up the body count.

>>51742976
Then I am pissed as I was looking at the page earlier in the day, it was there, and I was thinking about buying it when I got off of work. God dammit.

I don't really get Night Lords. Doesn't playing a fluff accurate Chaos-hating warband mean you have to disregard like half your CSM codex?

>>51742965
>why bring plaguemarines
I like plague knives (poison 4+) and the ability to take 2 special weapons in a smaller squad (I would have to take 10CSM otherwise). And most importantly, defensive grenades, which is something a lot of people often forget.
I feel like the price difference is justified for what they get (not to mention a *free* champion).

Also, fluff. As I've mentioned, it's supposed to be a fun list.

>>51743018
huh? last time i looked, there was a last chance to buy? did they threw that in the bin again?

>>51743052
I was looking at the Caestus Assault Ram

>>51742341
For real though, wtf was GW thinking.

>>51743064
Huh that thing is gone?
drop them an email, maybe they just change some details or something

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>>51742341
>>51743075


>We created Sailor Moon Incarnate

>>51743097
I hope so. Its one of the few Space Marine flyers I like the look of.

>>51742867
If you're not going with the Vectorium you shouldn't bother with the expensive plagues, cultists, terminators, helbrute or obliterators. Instead make your plagues MoN marines in numbers of 6 (so it takes 4 kills to get VP) a sorcerer lord on bike with a couple nurgle spawn then ally Vraks Renegades and fill troop choices with the best tarpit troop choice in the game, plague zombies. 4++ invuln fearless and no longer Slow and Purposeful with Vraks they're hands down the best choice you have. With a CAD of them you can make better use of their outrageous heavy support choices, rapier lasers being T7 AP2 ordnance at 20 points without extra crew and can be taken in batteries of 3 per choice is frankly broken and outperforms your autocannon havocs by unbelievable measure. Getting access to wyverns is what you need. I had written a list with Vraks Renegades being the primary detachment as the DG Legion command benefits kind of suck ass aside from eternal warrior but with that high of toughness you won't be ID'd against anything but a titan stomp. It'd also help to take a daemon weapon on your lord as LC+PF can't carry the squad like you think it will

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>>51740358

Holy fudge, this is some SSS+ sisters model

>sees UA using some autistic retextured models made by Geedubs, even the art looks like Trannies

well i never liked Ultimate Apocalypse and Cylarne's Circlejerking shitposts anyway...

>>51742965
>>51743046

The regular marines with Mon and extra CCW are 18 points. Plague Marines are 24 points each.

So for 6 points you get:
- poison 4+
- defensive grenades

And they can take 2 special weapons in 5-man squads instead of 10.
Whatever floats your boat I guess, personally I prefer using CSM with marks.

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>>51743016
Updated stuff basing on your suggestions: reduced many loadouts, playing two blobs of 20 Termagants, adding two small bunches of Gargoyles to add some more deepstriking...

>>51743237
codex CSM does suffer from shit-too-expensive syndrome already, so you should not take more than absolutely necessary, i.e. the extra CCW should go aswell.
in the end its only a T5 3+ model. It will die rather easy anyway.

For whats worth plaguemarines also get a better Ld which might be useful against psychic shriek and friends

Are Space Marine command squads actually any good?

>>51743266
That looks much better. You may want to modify it based on who you're playing, but looks solid.

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The fuck is this shit, how do i remove this window.

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>>51743192
But anon I'm not trying to make the cheesiest list on this side of Terra

The expensive plagues, cultists, terminators, oblits and the helbrute are kind of the point. It's supposed to be a fluffy, low on numbers army that can still hold it's own and is a pain to properly kill off.

If I wanted cheese I'd go play Taudar.

Still thanks for the idea, I'll write it down, to maybe play it one day when I'm feeling particularly evil.

>>51743302
If you are iron hands.

>>51743302
If you're not iron hands, yes.

>>51743313
>being too retarded to use simple software

Go for a walk anon. It'll do you good.

should i glue on the power backpacks for my kasrkin before priming them?

>>51743328
>>51743340
Wut da zog?

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>>51743328
>>51743340

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>>51743381

>>51743302
>>51743328
>>51743340
They are good if you put them on bikes and give them grab. Dark Angels Ravenwing Command squad is pretty much better in every way tho.

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Do I give in and play cheese?

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>>51743328
>>51743340

God i'm too drunk.

Help! I'm an imperial designer and my neck of the galaxy is far too righteous! I'm low on human and abhuman skulls and I need some in a hurry!

>>51743075
>GW
>Thinking

Pick one.

Beside tricks to look good to the share holders (bigger models, higher prices look good in the short term) GW lacks the smarts.
I wish they took their heads away from their asses and stop riding in a dead glory horse.

>>51743399
does not have to be cheese, anon
fight the urge
buy the box and make 6TL catapults and 3 shuriken cannons out of it. Like in the good days.

It is still a strong unit

>>51743399
>160$

Anon please tell me you haven't bought this at GW. You know you can go to your local store/literally anywhere else and get it like 20-30% cheaper, right?

>>51743399
Yes.
Always yes

>>51743395
I happen to play Dark Angels. I was thinking of making a Dark Angels space marine command squad though, because I still don't have any bike HQ.

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>>51743432
This is at my local store.

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>>51743427
But it calls to me.

>>51743399
Do it, anon. Demonstrate the inherent inferiority of the mon-keigh.

>>51743442
You don't even need a bike HQ to take them in a CAD

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Why is news from this goddamn Robin Hood tiny fight mans company always so existentially draining?

>>51743471
You do for a Ravenwing Strike Force though.

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>>51743480
>Why is news from this goddamn Robin Hood tiny fight mans company always so existentially draining?

>>51742822
I rike it

>>51743234

>Forced to play Sisters with a memetic Mod

fuck

>>51740322

well, i think we got our guy

>https://1d4chan.org/images/f/f8/Fall_of_Cadia_End.png

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>>51743450
>85$ for a riptide
...but....that's literaly the full GW price.
Please tell me your locals store isn't actually a GW store.

>>51743040
..............Yes.

You probably just go Raptor Talon and spam the fuck out of Lords, raptors, 'talons and maybe Chosen and Heldrakes and shit. at least that is what i've seen

I wouldn't go down the chaos-hating path it leaves less options. All i know is i've never seen NL spawn, oblits, daemon engines, etc. and none of them seem fitting.

>>51743399
Hell yeah, dude, just don't run only scatbikes and try to tone down the cannons

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A user on 30k Sweden posted the following rumor.

Hey all, just had a chat with Rob Macfarlane about Space Wolf models that he’s designed. I think this will make a lot of people very happy.
Grey Slayers are done, and are not just one kit. They are several different upgrade kits to cover all the weapon options, 10 heads a kit, an artificer armour sergeant, 20 shoulder pads, and then the weapon options. I’m not clear on there being different heads in each kit, but I expect it’s the same base with different weapon options being what makes each set unique. Still, awesome!
Varagyr are half-finished, torsos & heads and pads done. Rob really wants to do running legs as well to emphasize their aggressive nature, with knotwork on the knees and carefully draped pelts that flow with the armour, but that’s undecided as of now.
They’ve also planned out but not started on the models for Priests of Fenris, but there will definitely be models for Speakers of the Dead & Casters of Runes.
Only thing that hasn’t been worked out so much is Deathsworn, and they should still arrive this year.

Thoughts?

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>>51743628
>Thoughts?

>>51743628
One, possibly the wrong thread.
Two, I think we already had that rumour after the Weekender, as far as I remember.

>>51743450
It's good to know that I'm not the only anon whose store sells stuff at full price.

Fucker gets away with it too because it's literally the only store of its kind in 2 hour drive distance.

>>51743509
plenty of independent stores sell GW products at MSRP tho? I would say most of them

>>51743628

to the horus heresy thrash bin it goes

>>51743628
SW lists take pretty much no regular marines so i dont think it matters.

its all wulfen and TWC

>>51743503
Except that it doesn't even look like that Sword Brother's decoration, which has been a bit in the Crusader upgrade kit for years.

>>51743628
More Marine shit
Blue marines, black marines, green marines, wolf marines, vampire marines, edgy marine.

Don't get me wrong but I'm just tired of marines and I bloody play them.

The fact that I can just use different rules for them without any problem because they are all pretty much the same

Maybe Grey Knights by simply having Storm Bolters instead of Bolters.

>>51743670
>having alternatives, even if it's a 2 hour drive
must be good living somehwere where GW hasn't completely cucked third party retailers.
Strayans are stuck with gw, ebay and pretty good chinacast for FW. the lgs in aus sell at like up to 5% discount, which isn't worth going to them.

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>>51743628
>knotwork

>>51743702
Well, the thing is that those other stores 2 hours away also sell at full retail price and none of them are official stores. So the only thing they have that my local store doesn't is that they tend to have a larger stock.

new cron stuff when

>>51743788
well, trazyn is probably arriving, with creed in hand, silent king is rumoured to arrive.

Anybody know a good replacement chest piece for Tempestus Scions? I don't really like the raised center on the standard breastplate.

Just wondering if there was anyway I could make Scions look halfway decent since its so hard to track down Kasrkin models.

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How's this balance wise for two 500 point armies for demo games? I aimed to have enough variety to make it interesting without things getting too crazy.

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2v2 casual game me and csm against tyranids and DE. Csm will shield me with his infantry.
This is emperor's fist and emperor's wrath fornations.

>>51743860

Should make it imperials vs chaos or xenos, not imperium vs imperium.

>>51743839
I used SM scout torso.

>>51743885
Hmm, might have to look into that, since Scout Armor is basically the same as Carapace and all.

>>51743871
Make points for the artillery officer in your CCS

Reminder that if you're in the San Antonio area go to Knight Watch or Knight Owl for your 40k shit so you can get a discount, CoG is run by literal Jews and is only good for their used product but I wouldn't buy from them anyways, and dragons lair makes my heart go doki doki but they don't have a GW discount, everyone else a shit.

Do all of the IG armies have codices/rules?
e.g. vostroyans, kanak skull takers, harakoni warhawks, terrax guard
if i'm not mistaken, only the following have rules
catachans
cadians
elysians
kriegers
karskins? (are they just the old stormtrooper models? do they have a real codex/ruleset?)

>>51743871
I think you're missing a tank squadron for Emp's Fist.

>>51743871
>imperial guard
>fighting alongside heretics
Disgusting

>>51743900
I can make some photos tomorrow.
>>51743934
You think? There 3 squadrons and 1 of them has tank commander.

Why do most 40k weapons have such shit range? Why are optics not a thing in the 41st millenium?

>>51743972
>Why do most 40k weapons have such shit range?

Its a game, not a simulation.

>>51743961
I'll look forward to the pics. Kinda want to see how it flows before I rush out to buy some Scions and scout bits.

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>>51743914
>Live in Fort Worth
>Sci-Fi Factory has 20% off minis only, but employees are dickbags unless you play MTG or Heroclix.
>Have a GW store, cool blackshirt, but it's GW prices, I only go for paints no one elese has
>Evo Games has 25% off ALL GW, cool owner, DELICIOUS catfish/chicken place next door
>A bit further away, but Full-Spectrum Wargames has 20% off all GW and for every $300 spent you get a bonus 10% off voucher(non-stackable)
>Mfw my friends all dump our purchases at Full-Spectrum into one account to rack up additional bonus vouchers
>Mfw we basically have a permanent 30% off

I didn't realize how good I had it compared to some of the posters here. The Emperor smiles upon North Texas. The owner's a cool guy, too.

>>51744004
San Antonio has some great places to game, but knight watch/owl are basically the only places to shop gw at discount. 20% off at knight watch and variable discount based on popularity at knight owl. Everyone else is in gw's pocket when it comes to their products.

>>51743989
It's both actually.

>>51742267
>>51743266
Not having any flying monstrous creatures of any kind is a mistake, particularly at 1850 points where tyranids are generally at their weakest.

>tau are a shooting race
>bs3

>>51744004
Had a blackshirt and redshirt friends that gave me around 30,000 points of 40k and fantasy

>aeldari

>>51744004
>New York
>There's one GW store. That's it. That's fucking it because the other two places suck.
>It's rad as shit and I don't have to put up with any of the crap other people here do.
Feels good

>>51744106
>>51744137
A tad late for shitposting, are we?

>>51744137
I like it and it's grown on me...
If anything it makes them sound a bit more "alien" even if the price is sounding more like a "OCDONUTSTEEL" name.

>>51744103
1850 does such a strange thing to nids, it forces you to Lictorshame or flyrant spam if you want a snowball's chance in hell of doing anything. Too many points for everyone else to be able to more than match your firepower, not enough points to just drown the enemy in bodies. Sad.

>>51744174
>"alien"
you mean gay?

>>51742699
Britbong here, This is correct

>>51743961
Pretty sure Emp's Fist is a 5 tank minimum.

>1 Tank Commander
>3 Leman Russ Squadrons
>1-3 Enginseers

>The Tank Commander must take one Leman Russ
>The Tank Commander's squadron must include 1-2 other Leman Russ tanks
Note Tank Commander's squadron, not Leman Russ Squadron. That makes the Tank Commander a unit of 2 tanks, this is before you add the 3 Leman Russ squadrons the formation asks.

It really should be renamed to Tank Command Squad with composition 1 Tank Commander and 1 Leman Russ tank (pg.102) because he has his own unit.

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So I'm introducing some friends to 40k, and decided to make the intro game a classic matchup of space marines vs tyranids. Does this look like it'd be fun for both sides? I wanted to emphasise the two different playstyles, playing the Marines as elite but effective, and the nids as having a mixture of cheap chaff and big monsters.

>>51744183
At 1850 points everyone gets to bring their high points value rape machines and death star squads. Tyranids have no high points units that are actually good except for hive tyrants and can't build death stars.

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>Aeldari
rofl

>>51744212
The tyranids can't kill the dreadnought.

>>51742221
>any thoughts?
it's shit. That's one of the worst possible lists you could make at 1850. Only things worth their points in that are the Hive Guard and Zoeys.
Also: 30 man blob of gants and no troop Tervigon? the shit are you doing, nigger?

>>51744273

>Samefag from /v/

>>51742822
Repaint it then.

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>>51744273

>>51744212
As someone who plays nids, the nids won't be able to do anything worthwhile, it'll probably be an incredibly one-sided game.

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I don't really play much (haven't played in 3 years) but I've been offered a game with a mate (he plays Khorne heavy chaos space marines) so I put a list together of everything i own:

HQ:

Chapter master, artificer armour, shield eternal, burning blade

Darnath lysander

Troop:

10x tac marines, drop pod

10x tac marines, rhino

10x tac marines

Heavy:

Fire raptor

Devastator squad, 4x heavy bolter

Allies (DKOK)

HQ:

Lord Commisar

Troop:

Infantry platoon (2x10 guardsmen, hq squad, 3x heavyweight bolters weapons teams)

Heavy:

Leman russ battle tank x2


How bad will I do? Will I get wiped out early on? Not really sure how best to utilise everything and I have no more models to add bar 5x Custodes.

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>>51744295
>he is STILL MAD
Why not just pick a less homosexual faction?

>>51743989
If you went by realistic ranges, you might as well not bother with them at all except on pistols.

>>51744273
>>51744137
Yeah if you're going to shitpost bait you might as well go all in
>age of emprah
>orks with tyranids
>ultramarines only chapter
>tau are necrons

>>51744004
I live in Collin County. Plano has Madness Games & Comics and it's like some sort of geek paradise on earth. Everything's MSRP, but you can find fucking everything here. Comics, RPGs, Wargaming, and just various nerd merch as far as the eye can see.

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>>51744373

>people in the last few threads going nuts about Ynnari, begging for tips on how to beat them?

For what purpose? Soulburst isn't even that good unless they're already playing full cheese, with all the wraithknights and scatbikes.

It's not going to be easy for the stuff in their special formations to completely obliterate a unit in Soulburst range of another unit that is also in range of another unit to spend the resulting action on. Sure, Wraithguard are ultimate cheese, but Avengers and Incubi are hardly world-ending death stars.

And if they're running full Wraithcheese, why are you even playing against them?

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>>51744321

>from butthurt to hemorrhoid in less than a shitpost

the 12 year memey is strong in this one

which is the best knight, thinking of picking up a cerastus knight atropos. my only other anti-armour/mcs is vendettas and plasma/melta vets. Is it worth it?

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>>51744383

>>51744212
There's literally a single model in the tyranid CAD capable of glancing the front or side armor of a dreadnought, all the other models can only glance the rear armor, none of them can penetrate it at all.

The tervigon doesn't even have crushing claws or electroshock grubs and the tyranid elites choice is the one elite choice that can't kill anything at all, you could have at least given them a zoanthrope.

>>51744212
Swap out the dread with an attack bike or a land speeder.

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>>51744383
Now he's just fucking us around, the absolute mad man!.

Welcome back Ward.

>>51744212
I would suggest swapping out the warriors with Zoanthropes.

>>51744514
Or swap out the warrior squad for something useful like a hive crone, since they will get gunned down by bolter fire before they can assault.

>>51744494
>>51744552

I wanted to avoid giving them a Zoanthrope, because I wanted to streamline it down to base-level stuff, and not throw in psykers.

>>51743018
What item?

You know what I realized? There is no 40k faction that has one of the most common motivating forces in all of fiction. The desire for money. We've got all sorts of motivations. Faith, honor, hunger, hatred, sadism, pleasure, for fun and for sport. But nobody who's in it for the money. Kroot are the only real mercenaries in the game but they fight for bodies to eat, not money.

Is that not strange to anybody else? I really would like some proper mercenaries in 40k. Hell, a little Rogue Trader mini-dex with a handful of rules would sate me.

>>51744644
Huron blackheart maybe?

>>51744644
Chaos / Ork Pirates. Freebootas, Goldtoof.

>>51744644

Ork freebootas, dark eldar in general, probably a decent amount of guardsmen.

>>51744644
dwarves, goblins

>>51744644
ork freebooters, kroot, farsight's mercenaries (before they got ruined), tarellians, eldar corsairs, human pirates

they don't get much focus because pirates aren't exactly keen on fighting proper armies and will avoid them as best they can

I heard 40k is getting the AoS treatment.

Which factions are going to be merged?

>>51742380
Fuck the regimental.

>>51744751
all of them

They're introducing a new super bad guy called "The evilest dark evil bad man kill death blood" and everyone gets absorbed into an emperor robot to fight him.

Then they're releasing the new edition of 40k, which will be called "Battletech 2"

>>51744751
It's not getting an AoS treatment and the only things that might be merged permanently so far is Imperium, Aeldari and Chaos.

>>51744597
Hive guard maybe?

>>51744751

>Aos Faggots forgets that AOS is 40k Merged with fantasy

>>51743659
Three NOTHING WRONG WITH ME

>>51743921
Kasrkin are just Cadian Stormtroopers.
And most of the regiments you quoted should be played with the IG codex, while some (elysian, krieg) have rules in FW's Imperial Armour books

With Inner Circle formation of DA, can I just take Azreal? That's how I read it at least.

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Gotta go fast
What do I do for the last 85 points?

>>51744783
Nonsense, the Tau and Necrons have to merged with something. They can't have their own books.

>>51743921
>harakoni warhawks

Use Temptestus Scions to represent drop troops.

>>51742579
Marines Errant

>>51744832
>>>>>>so far
Reading is hard.

>>51744832
Tau to allying with Eldar is the least offensive scenario.

>>51744844
>So far

Then don't open your mouth when people talk about the future.

>>51744855
>literally every single thing that can be said about fluff right now is speculation
>"Don't list the most probably things to speculate on"

>>51744853
Them allying with the Necrons makes the most sense considering that they are both expansionists and technological races that have zero connection to the warp.

>>51744880
Yeah, but one is dedicated to destroying life and the other to uniting all intelligent life.

>>51744872
>anon : It might rain soon. Look at them clouds
>jackass : It hasn't rained so far

No shit, jackass

>>51742543
Ugh. As a treadhead Guardsman I cannot wait until the next update to nerf the Pask-Punisher. Hopefully someone will be competent enough to also buff the vanquisher, but really I'm just so sick of the Str. 5 minigun being the statistically strongest AT gun in the guard.

Plus, it's so damn ubiquitous! Like seeing an imperial knight in every 1850 points army.

>>51744897
The Newcrons are not dedicated to destroying life. They want to enslave and rule it. You know, like Tau except without the pretences.

>>51744656
>>51744689
>>51744698
>>51744740
not that poster but while these examples are alright, I do agree it would be interesting to have a 40k faction of space jews, similar to the traders in space rangers. a xenos culture that extols the virtues of mercantile prowess, equating it with martial honor. on the tabletop this could be represented as various mercenaries and bodyguards set up to protect company assets, along with some special units that have a time honored military tradition of protecting space trade, think aspect warriors but the aspect is ensuring that all deals are carried out fairly. they could have plenty of cool stuff cooked up by R&D departments to try to make money, like dreadnought-equivalents made for profit. What was be a good tactical gimmick for such an army though?

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>>51743503

>>51744919
>enslave and rule

Still contradicts Tau beliefs.

Should I bring Chimeras for defense?

>>51744830
Give that Warlock a Singing Spear, maybe one Shuriken Cannon on a Fire Prism

>>51743450
what store?

>>51744936
>serve the Greater Good or die
>serve the Dynasties or die

Does it? Does it really?

>>51744971
Yes. Dynasties =/= Greater Good.

>>51744899
Look, that guy asked if AoSing is happening, which we have no serious indication for yet, and which factions are going to be merged, which we also don't know for certain yet but know for a fact that Eldar and Imperial Forces are getting respective unified support for themselves.

Nobody has any god damn clue what the fuck they're doing with the other xenos races yet. For all we know they might just toss everything including them and Eldar into a single xenos faction. Claiming "They can't have their own books" is even more speculative than anything I said so far and speculation isn't exactly what is relevant when somebody asks for what is going to happen.

>>51744971
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhnsC2V4_0w

>>51743513
>You probably just go Raptor Talon and spam the fuck out of Lords, raptors, 'talons and maybe Chosen and Heldrakes and shit. at least that is what i've seen

Memesters

Warband > Talon in most cases because you get ObSec stealth Havoks and Bikers (I still prefer raptors). Hell, even ObSec Stealth Chosen isn't bad. Helldrakes are still baller, though.

I think Raptors Talon and Termie Assault is an interesting fluff option, though because of the Atramentar.

>All i know is i've never seen NL spawn, oblits, daemon engines, etc. and none of them seem fitting.

Night Lords used to heavily use Furies back in the day. What's to say that they don't use spawn? The spawn doesn't even have to be a spawn. It could be some spooky monster they keep chained up.

>>51744814
No, it is a command detachment, which means that you must take one demi-company, one auxiliary formation, and then you may take a single command formation.

>>51744971

Necrons are still monodominant as fuck. They wouldn't ally with anyone, because they believe that they are the pinnacle. They wouldn't ever admit anyone is worthy of sharing their power with.

>>51744920
Cheap but with good and expensive upgrades.

>>51744982
Yes, Dynasties = Ethereals

>>51745025
Didn't they ally with spehss mahreens?

>>51745003
>furies

man do those things even exist anymore, I've literally never seen them fielded and they have ancient models

>leadership 2

>>51745025
They allied with Space Marines four times. The Silent King himself came before Dante, drew him close and leaned over to whisper You are the Shield, they are the Srorm. It was done to show Dante that Necrons can be allied with.

Grand Alliance of Mankind: Space Marines, Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Deathwatch, Grey Knights, Space Wolves, Astra Militarum, Militarum Tempestus, Adepta Sororitas, Cult Mechanicus, Skitarii, Inquisition, Imperial Knights, Officio Assassinorum

Grand Alliance of Chaos: Chaos Space Marines, Thousand Sons, Renegade Knights, Khorne Daemonkin, Chaos Daemons

Grand Alliance of Destruction: Tyranids, Genestealer Cults, Orks

Grand Alliance of Xenos: Eldar, Dark Eldar, Harlequins, Necrons, Tau Empire

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Does it work? Is it good? Have I fucked up again?

1/3

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>>51745122
2/3

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>>51745139
3/3

>>51745078
>Cult Mechanicus and Skitarii still 2 factions
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>51744597
Psychic is an entire phase just like shooting or assault now, you're not doing anyone any favors by skipping it.

>>51745169
I've been playing for over a year now and still think the Psychic phase is a confusing mess and was terribly implemented. There's nothing wrong with leaving it out to give someone a feeling for the game.

>>51744597
The tervigon is a psyker

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>>51745078

>>51745199
They tried to make it like fantasy's magic phase but unlike the magic phase not all armies are able to interact with the psychic phase.

Meanwhile even the dwarves in fantasy has runesmiths/lords to interact with magic.

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>>51744375
>>51744004
Dallasite here, DFW/North Texas has a pretty great scene. It helps to be in the ~3rd largest metropolitan area in the US.

>>51745496
It might have worked if they had called it something else and also thrown in other things for the non-psyker armies, like having SoB acts of faith done there, or Tau ethereal buffs. Maybe Black templar vows and Necron C'tan weirdness? Just anything to make sure every army has a way to interact if they want.

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>>51745243
Just imagine the cheese necrbra

>>51745594

Necrons should have some anti-magic weirdness. If they made Pariahs canon again, it'd work perfectly.

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>>51745594
>Black Templar vows
RIP

>>51745594
>ethereal buffs
rude
kroot auxiliary codex with kroot psykers when?

>>51744926


>Sailor Jupiterfax: why we are crusading with that double crimson xe...
>2 Black Templars on screen: SHUT UP, HE'S BADASS!

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>Orks are a melee race!
>Aeldari

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>>51744783
>Imperium, Aeldari and Chaos
>Aeldari and Chaos
>Aeldari

>>51745703
>Orks are an Aeldari race
>bs3

>>51745641
Yeah maybe a fortification called an obelisk that increases the cost of powers by 1 and gives a bubble of +1to deny thats stackable to a 4+ or atleast let more things buy gloom prisms. Nice and fluffy.

>>51745725

>Trying to bait this had

>>51745755
It worked well enough i keep taking it.

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>>51745755
>implying that gay ass name isn't genuinely hilarious

I'm so looking forward to Ork Triumvirate, new Ghazghkull model is going to be fucking epic.

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>>51745755
>had

>>51743914
>>51744004
>>51745524

Austin rules. Got a second GW opening up in March but we also have Dragon's Lair open .

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>>51745703
>TFW WHEN ELDAR GET MORE BUFFS WHILE ORKS GET NERFED

>>51745776
>xenos triumvirate
Ghazzy
New tau FMC hq character
trazyn

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>>51745668
Let's be honest we just used the one that give us prefer enemy and on weird occasions de 6++ one

>>51745822
And Ghaz is the only one out of those without an invlun save and I1

>>51745810
damn that image is golden

Ask someone who met Saint Duncan in the flesh today anything.

I'm thinking about getting back into 40k and building a 500pt White Scars army. Should I wait until after the gathering storm event?

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>>51745703
>Aeldari
>Orruks
>Keyoss
>Hyuumans

>>51745840
Trazyn doesn't have an inuvln save. Although he is at least I2.

>>51745810

The last good Ork codex was 3ed imo.
Despite the power creep over the last 20 years, 3ed Orks are stronger than current 7ed ones.

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>>51745775
anon, that is just a long line of shit names starting at obiwan sherlock clousseau.
>>51745778

>>51745810
I don't think it's so much about Ork units being bad. It's just that >Aeldari are objectively broken.

>>51745869
Duncan love was fun when he wasn't aware of it.

>>51745891
>T'au
>Phar'Cite

>>51745906
Because of their fluff.

Hyper advanced psychic race with loads of different war paths and unimaginable powers and prophecies...you'd have to be the shittest writer in the world to not make any of that OP on the tabletop.

>>51745891
>roll 3+ on your cubiclus
>the range of a lasgun is now 173 imperial lottimers
>you can only take trescian marines in a squad. what do you mean what is "trescian" it's the number that comes after ivriti

>>51745906
>I don't think it's so much about Ork units being bad.
Then what about the introductions of nauts? And not to mention that retarded plane bomber thing no one mentioned outside it's release.

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>>51745899
Actually it's not a bad name. It just fits them too well, being the designated homosexual faction.

>Aeldari
lmao

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>>51745899

>Sherlock
>a shit name

Say that to my fucking face you shit eating dicknigger, and I will Fucking Fight you in the FUCKING STREET

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>>51745822
>Tau get more MCs

>>51745948
What's wrong with them? They're one of the better models in the Ork army.

>>51745972
hey, I can kms, but gw will still give tau more MCs, direct your anger towards phil/matt/robin or whoever writes the tau plot armour.
Also, it's not an MC, it's an FMC and it's a names hq who'll have a nova reactor that grants a 4++ with refactoring to a 2++.

>>51745972
related:

With MC/GC having AP 2 base, how hard would it be to run a melee-based Tau army? Maybe more CQC shooting and then punching things to finish.

Stormsurges and Riptides smacking people around. Farsight being honorabru samurai. Onager Gauntlet and Fusion Blade Commanders slapping people. Torchstar leading a ton of dual-flamer suits for anti-tarpit/counter-charging.

>>51745053

Yea, but they were moved into the Daemons Codex.

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>>51745969
you like the name of lord inquisitor obiwan sherlock clousseau, pictured on the right?
i mean, fine by me but you can't say the name
"obiwan sherlock clousseau" is not a stupid name.
and anti gestalt

>>51746000
Make the bloody things with 4 HP, AV 13/12/10 and 250 poin then we can maybe say Riptides are fair.

Stop adding bloody MC to anything but nids

>>51745891
>Hyuumans
hey there Ilwrath, how's it hanging

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>>51745963
You aren't wrong, but you are a shit-shitposter.
go back and work on your bants
have /v/irgins really fallen so low?

>>51746018

No, I'm saying Sherlock, on it's own, is a great name.
And that piling it in with that shit name triggered me.

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>>51746048
>this thinly-veiled madposting

Why were/are the Thousand Sons such egypteaboos?

>Fantasyfags sperging like commies, rejecting that AoS is 40k with less rules

is /v/ even trying

>>51746104
What are you even on about

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>>51745810
>When ten Striking Scorpions use Soulburst to wipe out two units of 20 Boyz in close combat in one turn

Step it UP, lesser races.

>>51746115

nope, im laughing of the /v/irgin shitposter who will be Blammed by the janitor in a few minutes, and some of the spergs here forgetting that AoS is 40k with fantasy setting sine Day1

>>51746080
believe you've made my point for me,
>HEH YOU'RE MAD
It's really just a rephrasing of a really fucking old meme
If you have to say someone is mad they haven't made enough of an ass out of themselves, the whole point i would assume of this whole thing is to drive people into a rage.
I could do better by same fagging an armour thread, through in some female marines and heresy armours.
etc man.
>>51746104
>>51746115
I too would like to know of what anon is on about

>>51746005
>Hey guys lets make an army that's great at shooting but crap in close combat
>But give them all durable as fuck battlesuits that most infantry can't damage
>And make them naturally have AP2

I'm thinking about building a 50 man Guardsman blob of fuck with power axe sgts, a priest, Librarian, GK Captain, and Lord Commissar.

Don't care about Invisibilty, I want Prescience, War Hymns, and Hammerhand.

Drow them in enough S5 AP2 hits at I1 to mulch things. Force weapon for challenges. Fuck everything.

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>>51746152
again i must reiterate.
Of what are you on about.
not to be rude but you haven't made it clear

literally only Chaos Daemons and Nids deserve to have MCs

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Can i get a shout out for Assholetep the Assless?

>>51746183
>hordes of melee guardsmen vs gundams

i'd play it

>>51746203
They have evolved beyond asses

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>>51745122
>>51745139
>>51745153

tfw baiting for advice, but no one likes IG

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>>51746199
you are wrong and should have your inferior biomass re-purpose for something purpose

>>51746203
He has less than zero booty. That's, like, negative booty.

>>51746220
anon, a significan number of /tg/ is guardsmen
>>51746228
concave booty
the anti ass

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>>51746197

He already explained anon, stop being autistic

>>51746238

CONCAVITUS THE OVERLORD OF NIGHPOSTEROS

>>51746238
>Plays
>Likes

There's a difference. A bunch of people play AoS but sure as shit no one likes it.

>>51746252
My LGS loves Age of Sigmar, theres more AoS then 40k players now. Its like 5e of warhammer, less rules more fun.

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>>51746252
What? Why play if you're not having fun?

So if Roboute Guilliman the only primarch we're getting in 40k?

Given the fact they gave him daddy's sword it seems likely.

His model looks fucking retarded though, compared to the FW one it's god awful.

Hoping to get a little C&C on the following list. I've got a fairly big tournament coming up Mid March and need to drill out my final list (and paint queue).

Eldar CAD
>Farseer - Skyrunner
>Autarch - Skyrunner, Fusion Gun
>3x Windriders - 3x Scatter Lasers
>3x Windriders - 3x Scatter Lasers
>5x Wraithguard - D-Scythes
>Crimson Hunter - Exarch
>Wraithknight - Glaive and Shield

Dark Eldar CAD
>Archon - Webway Portal, Shadowfield, Blaster
>5x Warriors - Blaster, Venom w/Dual Splinter Cannons
>5x Warriors - Blaster, Venom w/Dual Splinter Cannons
>5x Warriors - Blaster, Venom w/Dual Splinter Cannons
>5x Scourges - Haywire Blasters
>6x Reavers - 2x Blaster, 2x Cluster Caltrops

Still have about 40 points left to spend.

Archon and Autarch join the Wraithguard.

Also - considering swapping the Autarch to Laser Lance, Banshee Mask and having him join the reavers.

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>>51746240
the last part.

>>51746240
>and some of the spergs here forgetting that AoS is 40k with fantasy setting sine Day1
no idea what that is about but i arrived late to the shitpostathon

>>51746252
fair enough, i haven't had the time to pull out my steel legion and i sure as shit ain't going to buy the FoC shit

>>51746262
i like you

>>51746284
the emprah had multiple burning swords

>>51746203

Speaking of New stuff, since necrons got new base sizes, and im guessing Space marines did too. I decided to glue my old bases inside the new bases, which leaves a nice 1-2 millimeter gap for liquid effects, Necron energy motes here i come!

>>51744314

I think you should ask your friend to play some smaller point games before you just throw down everything.

That said, here's my thoughts.

Your Chapter Master is illegal, he can only have one Relic. Shield Eternal and a Relic Blade is probably the better combo if he's got Lysander for AP2 stuff.

What do your Tacs have as far as Special Weapons?

Your Fire Raptor will probably do most of your heavy lifting.

Your HB Devs will likely be lack luster, but workable.

Your DKoK will work as well as always, Battle Cannons will be helpful.

I think you should trim out the Tacs without a Transport and make room in the pod for Lysander and the CM.

>>51745996
The problem is their rules make them near unusable, even in casual play they're just dead weights.

At least boyz could once upon a time be called a decent choice, nauts and the abortion of an aircraft were born shit. Even when they were the fresh new thing they were not worth taking.

>>51742267
>>51743266

Why no wings on the Tyrant? Idk what you think his shreddershard beetles are gonna do. and a Stranglethorn AND CCW shit on him? What are you trying to even do with him?

Tyrant Guard are fine, pretty much a must take if you aren't giving your tyrant wings.

You kitted out your Warriors for melee? They're dead. they're gonna get shot to death before they reach the enemy, they are, say it with me now D E A D.

Hormagaunts aren't worth their points. You can't cap objctives while locked in combat, so Hormagaunts have a conflict of interest. Termagants are a much stronger choice.

None of termagants are upgraded with Devourers. It's not a necessary thing to do, but you might wanna give 4-5 devourers to each 10-bug unit.

Why are your units so fucking big? The bigger and fewer the units, the quicker they're gonna die. Instead of bringing 1 unit of 20 guys, bring 2 units of 10, for example.

Hive guard are a solid choice and you've brought them in the best config. Proud of you.

Venomthropes are a good choice, since the nids lack armor across the board. Consider Malanthropes instead if you want something a little better for the cost.

I'd cut the Zoeys down to 2 regulars and 1 Neurothrope. You're gonna want more synapse than you have right now, but Zoeys aren't the most reliable place to get it.

>Gargoyles
Just why? Don't do it. They suck.

>Carnifex
Really not as good as he used to be. For the points, a Tyrannofex (though he's not great) is a better distraction unit than a carni.

I'm assuming you were planning on putting the carnifex in the tyrannocyte. A better way to ruin your opponent's day is to give your Tyrant Hive Commander and outflank a unit of 20 Devilgants.

The biggest changes I'd make would be to take 2 flyrants. Replace your hormagaunts with termagants, and bring a tervigon (either as a troop, or as a 3rd HQ with the Hive Fleet Detachment)

T. 15 year Nid veteran.

>>51746284
The
>Ultramarines are special snowflake Mary Sues
meme was starting to die down so GW had to give them back their primarch.

>>51746329
I thought they'd just give him 40k rules and promote the FW model though, the GW model looks like Robot Girlyman had a retarded twin brother that they kept a secret.

>>51746329
>the meme was starting to die down
It died down fucking years ago, probably not long after the GK Wardex was released and everyone started bitching about that instead.

Because of utter trash like 1d4 and TTS the fucking retarded secondary fans and uneducated Reddit memers latched onto it and beat the joke beyond recognition.