Jumpchain CYOA Thread 1344: UNSPEAKABLE EVIL Edition

So Jumpers, how do you deal with the UNSPEAKABLE EVIL that you can't destroy? Seal it away for a thousand years? Avoid it for the ten years you're in jump? Team up with it?

>>51734805
Befriend it

>>51734805
I TEAR OPEN A PORTAL IN TIME, AND FLING IT INTO THE FUTURE.

>>51734805
>>51734816
Befriend it, but Nanoha style.

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>>51734805
Waifu it. (Companioning it is optional)

>>51734344
Hey Heart, been meaning to ask something.

Does Recruitment in A Practical Guider to Evil let you companion canon characters?

If so, could I companion, say, the Dead King or the Tyrant of Helike?

Hero bbs is in n-z, titled 'yushan', right?

How much of a bitch are you?

Fucking ningen.

>>51735034
Zamasu go and stay go/

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>>51734805
>tfw you post in thread but everyone has already listed your go-to methods

In all seriousness, I have gotten quite adept at sealing what I haven't been able to finish.

Let's see-I hid inside of Sailor Galacta until Chaos tried to seize her for a host-only to seal it in turn within myself. The steamroller I dropped on Cthulhu bound him in chains of seithr, leeching his hyperdimensional energies. And the first time I did battle with Umor, after I pummeled it with the raw energy of creation I used the Oculus Event Horizon-the most powerful artifacts of the High Speed Materialisation of Nothingness I've made to date-to trap it there in an endless cyclone of soulfire.

>>51732626
Okay-this right here?

This is why I am very.

Very.

Very not keen on transforming in the middle of battle.

>>51734930
Not much of one by the light of day. But by night, I'm one helluva bastard.

Are 100 CP items in NWN free or discounted?

>>51735270
>Being a bastard by moonlight
>Not being one by daylight
>Never one for a fair fight
>He's the one called Garlock Anon!
I'm sorry, I had to.

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>>51735305
Aw geeze, now that song's gonna be stuck in my head all day

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>>51735320
All according to keikAku.

>>51734495
>>51734587
One more thing regarding
The Gods are Bastards
Consider changing the pricing on Challenge Rating 20 from a fixed cost to one that decreases or is discounted the more jumps you have. Like 500 CP - 50 CP per 5 prior jumps, or 400 CP (discounted 21+ jumps)

>>51735305
>>51735320
>>51735332
I looked up lyrics and Samurai Jack... yet nothing. I feel like this is something I should recognize..

>>51735460
Sailor Moon dub.

>>51735408
Jesus christ no, don't do that. Why would you ever do something like that.

>>51735460
It's not Samurai Jack, I just wanted to make stupid pun. Here, this might be more familiar...
>Fighting Evil by Moonlight
>Winning Love by Daylight
>Never Running from a Real Fight
>She's the One called Sailor Moon!

>>51735491
>>51735515
Ah, that explains it. I don't watch too much animu, dubs even more rarely.

>>51734826
Where your evil is law?

>>51735408
>interjump balance

>>51735567
Yeah. And then this FOOLISH evil seeks to return to the past, and undo the evil that is Jumper!

And then subsequently replace it with its' own evil. THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE EVIL OVERLORD!

>>51734805
I shove it in a gemstone and I keep it in a box I use for collecting things.

Granted, this is after I have tried to reason with it, of course.

Would defense primacy apply to your out-of-jump perfect defenses for your stay in Exalted? Obviously not outside of it, but I'm curious now.

>>51735623
Nope. Exalted-style perfect defenses are a specific mechanism designed in such a way to be, well, perfect.

>>51735623
Out of jump "perfects" aren't perfect in the exalted sense.
I doubt they would. Although they'd probably work the same anyways because that's just how most invlunerability giving things tend to work.

>>51735606
I did that to The Forgotten, I did it to Anankos, may do it to Grima and Galaxia, Might do it to Gilgamesh depending on how Fate Zero jumps events end up.

>>51735576
>interjump balance
not what interjump balance means dumbass.

What jumps let me learn how to perform body augmentation and genetic modification?

I know the Commorragh jump lets me be a Haemonculus which is a master of the craft but at the same time I'd have to be Haemonculus with all that entails including the memoirs.

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>>51734805
I am not a FOOLISH SAMURAI, so I just am smug at it until it leaves me alone

>>51735683
Dune. Dune has good stuff. Like chair dogs.

>>51735683
Eclipse Phase

>>51735683
Writing memoirs isn't so bad, anon. Just focus on detailing your life as it went, with your attention on the interesting or vital events of course.

Besides reinforcement magecraft (and Knight of Honor) from Fate, are there any other perks or abilities that make any random weapon you pick up more dangerous? Preferably perks, but a system of magic could do if nothing else.

>>51735408
Please don't, it makes Jumpchain more linear if you want to make an "Optimal" build.

>>51735681
>I think a perk's price should be influenced by other jumps
>not interjump balance

>>51735737
That's not really what interjump balance means.
It's bad meta balance, but interjump balance is things like a perk in one jump should cost less because the same thing exists in another for cheaper.
Both are bad design.

I think I have a problem, /jc/. I can't read the words "unspeakable evil" without hearing it in Aku's voice anymore.

>>51735773
Doesn't sound like a problem to me anon.
Sounds like good times.
You should cultivate that inner voice, so that it's always there, commenting on your life.

>>51735514
>Why would you ever do something like that
Why are perks discounted for certain backgrounds instead of everything being the same price for everyone based on their utility? Because discounts based on theme are more interesting.
I liked when Ben 10 did it for the Paradixocal Perk, and it is the same here. It just clicks better if the "we leave you alone because you are just too damn OP" perk is discounted for those who have been jumping long enough that are "to damn OP"

Complaining about it is like complaining that the Magic perk is discounted to magicians.

>>51735722
Sting from Worm and Ragged Wounds from Franken Fran are probably some of the best there are.

>>51735807
It was shit when Ben 10 did it and it's shit now.
I hate having to leave that jump till the hundreds to get the most out of my CP. It's just plain bad design.

>>51733579
In 3.5 edition, the Epic Destiny rules allow you to take a specific series of feats and reach level 30 and complete an epic quest to obtain a particular Epic Destiny; one of the official EDs is Demigod, at the end of which you become a deity (so don't complete it until after you've left the jump if it has becoming a god as a Stay condition).

>>51735683
Geneforge is the classic go-to for me. I think Nightmare Before Christmas might have something too but I'm iffy on that memory.

>>51735818
Honestly the forgotten realms jumps attempt to lock out divine rank is it doing everyone a favor instead of a limitation.
Gods need prayer badly in that setting. Pick another D&D jump that doesn't have that problem if you really want rank. It's not worth piffing when people don't belive in you.

>>51735737
>This Perk that makes the authorities think you are to powerful should be discounted if you are in fact actually that powerful

>That's interjump balance!
You need to pick a new buzzword to spam there, Timmy. Your stupid is showing.

>>51735807
What if I've only been to low power jumps? Makes no sense then.

You're trying to compare this thing, balancing a perk based on the rest of your jumps, to discounting things based on origins? It makes no sense. They're not connected. Doing it your way encourages people to go here only after a certain number of jumps or be disadvantaged, creating an optimal build problem where unless you did certain things outside of the jump, you're at a disadvantage compared to those who did.

>>51735807
Not that anon sounds dumb as hell to me, dude.
And I just looked the Ben 10 jump and I also find that dumb as hell.

What next, jumps that are off-limits until you've already jumped the appropriate number of settings?

>>51735843
Fuck off. I'm not the shitposter.
Didn't know I needed a fucking legalese dictionary to post here. Excuse the hell out of me.

>>51735843
Why should it be discounted then? If you're already that powerful, you obviously don't need the perk at all.

>>51735818
>3.5 edition, the Epic Destiny
I thought the epic destiny stuff was from the edition that shall not be named, 4e...

>>51735843
Also, this anon >>51735866 makes a decent point.
That's like saying that a perk that makes you intimidating should be discounted if you're already intimidating.

>>51735816
>I hate having to leave that jump till the hundreds to get the most out of my CP
So don't. It sounds like you are butthurt the jumpmaker didn't just hand it to you on a silver platter.

>>51735291
Free, did I miss putting that in?

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>>51735909
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you aren't shitposting, but my point is that the perk should be undiscounted and not have anything to do with how many jumps you've taken.
That's bad because you absolutely cannot take the jump early if you have any intent of taking that perk. At least not if you don't like wasting cp. And what sad son of a bitch likes wasting cp?

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Have you ever created a beautiful sight in an instant, /jc/? Have you made a whole island bloom with your power?

>>51735683
Johnny Test
Resident Evil
Jurassic Park
Geneforge
Prototype
Street Sharks
Evo Search for Eden
The Skullman
Franken Fran
G.I. Joe
Killing Bites
Teen Titans
The Polity
Starcraft - The Zerg
Space Station 13
Dune
Metroid
Rick and Morty

>>51735866
>Why should it be discounted then?
Why do magician backgrounds the magic perks, discounted, they can already do magic by virtue of the background?

Why do Warrior backgrounds get fighting perks? They don't need them, their background memories already give them memories of fighting.

They are discounted because it makes sense.

>>51735952
An instant? No. That's pretty boring desu. But I do like to carefully forge islands every once in awhile.

>>51735837
Good point.
>>51735871
It was, but as the devs liked it so much and as 4e hadn't officially started at the time, it got officially introduced/backported in/to 3.5e.

http://web.archive.org/web/20090218080723/http://wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/drfe/20080428

>>51735837

Exactly. It's a stealth trap option.

Salient Divine Abilities include some impressive things, but they're not worth being bound to mortal worship - though a fully crewed Light of Terra could probably provide for that.

Mantra from Asura's Wrath at least lets you punch out mountains, and you don't wither away without worshippers.

>>51735952
Yes. I'm especially fond of forests.

>>51735973
Because those magic perks often and usually expand upon the abilities in ways most magicians do not get automatically.

The same as the above. It improves and expands on their basic abilities.

Stop being a retard and either get some examples that make sense or fuck off.

>>51735952
No.
But now I want to.
That's gorgeous.

Where can I find magic that'd let me do stuff like that?

>>51735970
Don't forget Underworld.
All the various kinds of immortals are just people infected with various strains of the same virus.

>>51735981
>Mantra from Asura's Wrath
Man, I wish the jump-maker just didn't allow people to be demigods instead of forcing his weird-ass fanon on the entire setting.

>>51735973
I'm pretty sure they're discounted because they're part of the Origin.
Ya know, WITHIN that jump. Without relying on other jumps.

>Every speed boosting perk
>Space Manipulation Omega from X-Men
>Friction Modulation from Worm
>Paw-Paw Fruit from One Piece
>Speed Ball Effect from Ultimate Spiderman

Am I fast enough now DAD!? AM I FAST ENOUGH NOW YOU SON OF A BITCH!?!?

>>51736032
I don't get it, but I still laughed.

>>51735918
Been wanting to talk to you.
The note about mystic theurge, you need to remove the requirement to have Skilled (K. Religion and K Arcana)
It is pretty insulting to assume someone who knows how to cast spells is ignorant of that knowledge without the perk from a different perk line.
You might just want to say that if you have the perk necessary to approximate the base classes, you can train in the relevant prestige classes.
Or, just not assume perks are necessary to advance in ways possible in the jump. I mean no one else there needs perks to create a character.

And... the jump is a bit light on drawbacks.

>>51736032
... Bad day?

>>51736053
anon the skills he wants ARE the requirement for becoming a mystic theurge.

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>>51735807
eh. The problem with jump number discounts for Paradoxical is it penalizes jumpers in a rollchain who are unlucky enough to roll Ben 10 early.

As for doing it for Challenge Rating 20; establishing how many jumps a Jumper has under their belt is no measure of how powerful they actually are. You can go one jump and bust planets (Dragon Ball Z, Generic Xianxia, etc.), or do the jumps on the drive in ascending order of power level and hit 50 jumps without being a city buster.

If you wanted powerful jumpers to have a discount on CR 20 it would be better to put prior accomplishment requirements in. "400cp, Discounted if you can bust a city".
But that's no better - it falls into the trap of the Jump's options no longer reflecting the identity of who you are in that jump - it depends entirely on your identity prior to the jump. And is still unfair to Jumpers in a rollchain, or jumpers who wish to start from that setting.

>>51735773
>pic

>>51735970
>Franken Fran
If I was going to do that I might as well just be a Haemonculus instead.

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>>51735863
>Didn't know I needed a fucking legalese dictionary to post here
Surprise surprise, knowing what the fuck words mean helps when you are trying to make a point on the internet.
Posting when you do not know what the fuck the words coming out of your mouth mean is shutposting, as well as being a literal blithering idiot.

>>51736108
Not him, but take your own advice. Everyone else who has responded to you has made solid points.

>>51736071
>anon the skills he wants ARE the requirement for becoming a mystic theurge.
No you daft twit. The requirements are 2nd level Arcane magic, and 2nd level divine spellcasting. The casting knowledge skills are class skills for the spellcasting classes. Because they are a core part of being a spellcaster and being able to cast spells.
Assuming someone who takes the 600 CP capstone to cast Arcane spells lacks the knowledge unless he buys a perk in the Drop In rogue tree is dumb.
Assuming someone who pays 600 CP to cast divine magic lacks K. Religion unless he gets the Drop In 100 CP perk in Dumb.

Those two capstones together (costing 900 CP minimum) should grant the knowledge and ability to be a Theurge without a 3rd perk bolted on.

If you want a jump where you buy a character sheet with CP, there are other jumps like that.

>>51736108
> shutposting

Have you ever started making a jump, only to realize after refreshing yourself on the story that you don't actually like it that much anymore? I'm going through that right now with Guyver. I started thinking "oh man, Guyver, bioarmors and zoanoids are so cool, it would make an awesome jump", but after rereading the manga all I can do is wonder why I liked it in the first place. I mean, it's a cool premise, but the pacing and presentation of plot details are just awful.

>>51736198
So prevent others from posting through your post? Would that be those moments when you get an idea but someone else posts the thought first?

>>51735994
>Underworld, Genetic Assimilation:
>You body assimilates genetic material easier than others. Experiments to add DNA to yours works far more successful and work like you wish them to. Can use your blood in serums to increase chance of success with other people.

Fuck me, that's an awesome perk for gene augmenters.

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>>51736193
No, they don't include those skills. Same as a character can have those magical abilities without having those skills.

It is one version out of date though there should be a bit about mystic knights after the theurge note.

>>51736298
Yeah, but you need to use the Underworld jump. It makes you worse as a person just for touching it.

>>51736309
There's nothing wrong about the Underworld jump.
You sure you aren't thinking of Vampire Diaries?

>>51736317
No, the Underworld jump. The low effort power grab.

>>51736321
No you've got em backwards. There's really nothing that impressive in Underworld. Like at all.

>>51736317
The Underworld jump was made by Megacorp when he was trying to taunt people into replacing jumps so he could have excuses/precedence for replacing other jumps. Thus it came out as pretty poor quality and it's filled with lots of dumb things like perks that change your origin or certain builds being far superior.

>>51736327
This >>51736331

>>51736206
The concepts can be cool while the story is shit. It could be that you just wanted to make the Jump so people could play with those concepts in the setting while making a better story for themselves.

>>51736307
Not that anon, but skills are something you can obtain with time instead of CP.

>>51736206
The story doesn't have to be good for the jump to be present. Just look at the piece of shit movie that Kingsglaive was, and yet we got a jump for it regardless. A jump is about the world, and sometimes that's more than what the franchise focuses on.

>>51736331
I don't know why, but that's kinda funny to me.
Looking back when I made a build for it long ago (modifier date says 2015, shit we've been at this for longer then I thought), I could kinda see that "certain builds being far superior" thing. But, I basically completely ignored them as I really don't want to be a Vamp or Werewolf or a Drow-I mean Hybrid.

>>51736307
>No, they don't include those skills. Same as a character can have those magical abilities without having those skills.
This is wrong, and dumb. A learned arcane caster uses knowledge Arcane to see if he could learn a new spell. Or recognise spells someone else casts, or any other skill. If they did not have that skill, they would never have succeeded in learning to cast spells in the first place. The only way it would be possible to not have knowledge of the arcane as a arcane spellcaster is if you were using strict pen and paper rules mechanics and the DM allowed nonsensical builds.

Are you really requiring the arcane caster to buy a perk from another perk line to have a abilities basic to basic competence in their profession?

>>51735773
>Hearing anything in Mako's voice
>Bad
Pick one and only one.

>>51735952
Okami is a hell of a drug.

>>51736340
>>51736374
I know that on an intellectual level, I suppose. The problem is more that I can't bring myself to keep reading it, so it would be hard to make the jump without that refresher. It's killing my motivation for it.

>>51736395
Justice if I remember right did Familiar of zero right?
What was the precog perk based on if you remember since I cant recall any canon Diviner

>>51736395
I don't know. Would you want to here your waifu scream their love for you in Mako's voice?

INB4 people declare they've waifued Aku.

>>51736431
Mib did FoZ not Justice. It's not based off of anything. Just filler.

>>51736432
Yes. Yes I would. I would husbando the hell out of Iroh.

>>51736355
As can many things, if you want to start with them you pay CP though.

>>51736393
As it stands, yes. The learned casters are generally thought of as better than spontaneous anyway, if they got free skills it would just unbalance the option.

>>51736432
why is your waifu declaring their love with the words "unspeakablew evil"?

>>51736432
>hear*
I'm not going to try to hide my shame.

>>51736438
ah ok thanks. nvm then

>>51736446
I know how kinky you Jumpers can get.

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Since when is Satan stronger than Lucifer in the SMT-verse?

Wasn't Lucifer supposed to be the second strongest entity?

>>51736431
>Justice if I remember right did Familiar of zero right?
I did not. I only did Eragon, Farcry, and Avernum. All of which are absolute garbage.

>>51736432
Fine, there is ONE situation that is not improved by Mako's voice.

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>>51736432
>>51736481

>>51736481
>Twice
>He's seduced Jack in female disguise just for the sake of fucking with his head
>TWICE
Aku is a troll, and maybe gay for Jack.

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>>51736432
>>51736481
>>51736490
I had to post this.

>>51736504
>primordial darkness being predating all life on earth
>gay

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>>51736469
>Farcry
I like to use that as a first jump, it is good for what I do early chain.

>>51736504
>Aku is a troll, and maybe gay for Jack.
Maybe a little. He could have killed him many times but he prefers just to torment him or humiliate him rather than end the job.

>>51736331
You know, I always thought that Megacorp might be a shitposter, and that only cements my suspicions.

What a piece of shit.
Wish he'd give up his claims and jumps and just kill himself.
But, c'est la vie.

>>51736525
I honestly only made it because I didn't want someone else to make it, and leave out all of the supernatural shit in Farcry. Considering what fans of the franchise acted like it seemed like a legitimate possibility at the time.

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Jumpers, tell me do any of you have waifus from a gundam or mecha setting? If you do who?

>>51736529
He's not a shitposter, he's just an idiot who doesn't think about the consequences of his actions. People had proving long before him that the issue with replacement jumps wasn't a matter of permission, but rather than no one cared to make an effort. Whether he did a shit jump or not wouldn't change that, because people simply didn't care enough. In the end the only he did was set himself up as a jumpmaker who didn't put any effort into his work.

>>51736443
Just give each origin fixed knowledge skills that are immediately relevant to their career. Martials get a craft skill, Divines get Religion, and Arcane's get Arcane. This allows Drop-In to maintain their variable Skill Monkey status.

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>>51736468
Lucifer is "merely" the creator of Chaos; exactly what he actually IS varies from game to game a little, but while he is generally one of the most powerful beings around he can't just walk up to all of YHVH and blow him up for good.

Satan on the other hand is an extension of YHVH, and also his personal Judge Dredd for when he wants to pass divine judgement on an entire world.

Basically, you've got a top-tier anthropomorphic personification versus what is basically SMT's answer to the Specter. The latter has much less agency and versatility, but EXISTS to bring down the wrath of god on people.

>>51736396
Yeah, I getcha, best I can say is stop looking at it like it's a form of entertainment and more from a research gathering perspective while taking notes, unless you wanna drop it entirely. "So this happens here then, I should keep that in mind" instead of "This is fucking boring, I could go for forgetting this."

>>51736635
I'm pretty sure he's fully aware of the consequences of his actions, given what he intended to do. He's just a selfish asshole. Considering what he acts like most of the time too, I'd say he's a shit poster.

>>51736635
>People don't care about permission it's just a matter of effort
Now you're a shitposter.

>>51736331
Which jumps did he want to replace?

>>51736691
I don't think he ever actually stated specific ones, he was just one of those idiots who thought it should be an allowed thing in general. If you've ever seen SJ go on about wanting to innovate Jumpchain, you probably understand the general mindset.

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>>51735952
I mass produce and sell those, actually. Pocket self-sustaining Reality Marbles wrapped in only the finest Imaginary Number conceptual spaces, tempered in soulfire. It's like a lil' snowglobe you hold and focus on to paint over reality like a screensaver when you want to check 'em. Rains of magical fireflies, wintry horizons you can reach up to touch, paleolithic labyrinths painted with you and your species' deepest memories-that sort of thing.

Pity the one time I tried making a demonic worldglobe it broke out and tried to eat the others, though.

>>51736667
He *thought* that by making a shit jump people would move to replace it and justify further replacements. He didn't realize that no one gave a shit about it because he had already proven himself as a shit jumpmaker even before that. The shitposters nowadays like to smear other people's names and generally bring up useless drama, Megacorp had a habit of dragging his own name in the mud and acted like a general jerkass. There's a difference.

>>51736732
I dunno mate. He did plenty of the stuff you say shitposters do, like smearing people's names, attacking people or bringing up drama.

>>51736768
Honestly I don't remember much of him smearing shit on other people. Maybe I was just too busy wondering how he could be as incompetent as he came off, but back when megacorp was still active I didn't see nearly as much of this shitposting as I do nowadays,

>>51736810
A lot of it took place on the IRC as I remember, at the least when it came to him attacking people.

>>51736443
Why are you requiring knowledge skills in the first place? This is a Neverwinter Nights Jump, and NN replaced them with lore.
>As it stands, yes. The learned casters are generally thought of as better than spontaneous anyway, if they got free skills it would just unbalance the option.
All spellcasting classes need K. Arcane / Lore.
The Warlock is generally thought of a worse than learned and spontaneous, and needs lore.

This in not about favoring learned over innate, it is about you saying magical backgrounds lack fundamental skills of that background.

Of you has a scholar background and then pulled "Oh yeah, they need a perk in the Drop in section to be able to read the regions language"
That a scholar could learn history by word of mouth is irrelevant. You are getting called on the fact that scholars in the setting can read, and you excluded that from the scholar background

Here, all spellcasting professions all have spellcraft, and some knowledge ability to represent they know enough to cast a spell. Whether you use game mechanics OR broad strokes, you are being dumb, because the way you have organized the jump does not fit the setting, even on broad strokes, because of a nonsensical ruling you just made.

The fact rouge alikes have more skill points, or experts could have any skill as a class skill does not change the plain reality that magic professions needs to know magic skills to Be magic professions, religious professions need religious knowledge to function as religious professionals. etc.

>>51736825
Probably why I don't remember any of that then, doesn't really surprise me I guess.

>>51736833
You get what you buy, if you buy a bunch of abilities that don't match up it's up to you to finagle your own convoluted backstory. If you want a set of skills buy them or learn after you get there.

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Can dragons from HTTYD be considered pets instead of companions?

I would like to take one with me, but I'm not really into using one of my companion slot in a big lizard.

>>51736969
Im pretty sure they are pets, only riders are companions.

>>51736969
>>51736983
There's two versions of the dragons. The companion version in the companion section, and the pet version in the item section. Companion versions are more intelligent, or something. Pet versions are standard dragons you can find in-setting.

>>51736894
>You get what you buy
You also get your background. If your jump has backgrounds that do not actually represent growing up in the setting (like they fucking should) then that is not a problem with the jumper, that is the jumper being a fucking moron.
You are being a moron.
You.
If practically every person with the Arcane background in the setting has the narrative setting equivalent of knowledge arcane/lore
to represent that they are not making this shit up, and the jumps arcane background specifically excludes that, then the jumpmaker is a turd with his head so far up his fucking ass he needs to seek medical attention as soon as possible.
You are saying that someone who works with magic, who needs to be in touch with it, to sense it and feel it, cannot tell if a scroll in real or scribbles, or a sword is enchanted or not, when every other magic user in the world can? That is part of what this knowledge means.

Do you know how to write a fucking jump? Because it starts by having the jump represent the setting,

>>51737037
I don't think you harassing him is going to help matters anon

>>51737113
He is kind of a dick. Ah well, I got other shit I need to do. Jump has stood as it is for way to long for me to want to be making changes now.

>>51737193
actually what kind of improved familiars can we get? I am not super familiar with the rules for them

>>51737193
He probably just cares about the setting and got carried away. There are plenty of jumps out there that would probably face the same criticism if people inspected them closely. No offence meant behind this, but your jump doesn't come off as particularly high effort or anything, and generally that does open it up a bit for heat if you draw attention to it.

>>51737214
There are actually notes for that at the end of the document.

>>51737238
I won't claim it was a great work, it mostly came out of people wanting an alternative to the Forgotten Realms jump.

I'm no great writer and apart from like half a jump for the Dark Heavens series it was the only work I made here.

>>51737255
thanks as always I am just blind.
Now I just need to decide if a want to be a warlock or have a wyrmling familiar. choices, choices..

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Have a drawback enemy ever been too much for you to handle?

>>51737287
There is a lot of definitions on there that can be Taken in a lot of ways,if you're asking if I've ever met an Opponent sufficiently deadly that I Have died to them Yes,fortunately I have really helpful companions.

>>51737308
also damn near every Extra lifeperk in the Game

>>51737329
How many are there? I know there's Mario, Terraria, EBA, and Undertale, what others are there?

>>51737462

Universal monsters, the skullman,DC occult, Scott Pilgrim, rust.

>>51737498
big thank

>>51737462
Also Tales Of Symphonia's Memento. Not strictly an Extra Life but close enough to matter.

>>51737462
You missed that one item in Hero BBS which I can't remember the name of, and the Thrice Setting Sun Servant Skill from the Servant Supplement (and Godhand, but that's a NP which only work once, at least the revive aspect of it)

>>51737610
*once per jump

So I don't know much about Fate but I remember reading something about class cards. They let you use the powers of a servant or something for a while. Is that correct? If so how do you go about making them, or are we currently unable to get them due to them being from a Fate jump that has yet to be created?

>>51737663
Class cards are strictly Fate/Prisma Ilya.

>>51737462
Tales of Demons and Gods can give as many as nine extra lives, if you cultivate enough in the jump.

>>51737671
Ah ok thanks.

>>51737687
I think someone is making a jump of that. Can't remember who thoguh.

>>51735994
>Where can I find magic that'd let me create beautiful vistas?
Path of Life from Age of Wonders
probably stuff from Actraiser

>>51737686
Nope there is a note at the bottom stating after the jump you will only get one of those lives as an extra. Plus after you hit a certain cultivation those lives would have merged back into one life anyway so its also canon.

>>51737707
Batman-Anon is currently doing work on it.

Does anyone know how strong the dragon perk in DxD is? Its implied to pretty impressive but I know very little about the setting and what the power range for dragons is in that.

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What's it like to eat with you and your companions, /jc/?

>>51737862
The food is super good and it almost always turns into a banquet.

>>51737862
Why eat food when you can simply use your infinite supplies of it to bombard your enemies with?

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>>51737862

>>51737862
Mcdonalds a lot.

>>51737862
Most times it's fairly civil. Just a bunch of friends/lovers eating and talking. The only problem is the moments when someone starts stealing food or if a specific dish starts to run low too fast. A lot of fights have been started over the piece of cake or a single egg roll. More than once I've returned to the warehouse to find a trench war over leftovers.

This is the problem with taking just about every cooking perk available.

>>51734856
Yup. That's what I meant by local, sorry if that was unclear.

>>51737462
generic creepy pasta

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>>51735952
I walk into rooms frequently, yes. And I could certainly wash out an island with scintillating light if I wanted too.

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>>51737862

>>51735408
No, that's dumb.

Also, Headhunter also gives you a pack of spirits stuck in your head who cast spells for you. Each of them. And you've got, like, hundreds. They're functionally an automatic defense system, can cast pretty much every spell in the system, and there's hundreds of them. If someone tries to cast at you, they basically get counter spelled even without active effort on your part.

What Jumps would let me visit normal Earth in the 90s? And in the early 2000s?

>>51738024
Are you bring your food to life?
Or is Raven kinkier than I thought?
It's always the quite ones isn't it

>>51738024
I didn't took you for an anthropophagite.


Are they alive while you eat them?

There's a relatively new jump which takes place in a MMO-like world like Overlord but with a lower power level. It also had a perk which protects you from reality warping. Does anyone know which jump I'm thinking of? I can't remember the name.

>>51738338
The Alterworld D. Russ jump. The Godslayer perk. It's in the Uploads folder.

>>51738361
D'oh, I feel stupid now. Thank you!

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>>51736432

>that spoiler

But I did waifu Aku!

Redemption perks and the Girlifying Rifle from KND worked wonders.

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>>51738242
It's just an illusion laced over the food. You get a bit of visual entertainment to go with the taste and smell of the food. The food I give life to isn't usually for eating. The Party Pudding is a notable exception.

>>51738090
See above.
And while not relevant to the food conversation, yes, yes she is. But that's what happens when you give teenagers and young adults their own communal home, a high-adrenaline high-risk job, and plenty of downtime. Add on top of on that the fact Raven is an Empath... well, it's not complicated math at that point.

>>51738025
What happens if one of my companions has Virus and I'm a CPU with HDD active? Will I be forced out of HDD mode and into a Virus mode or will the two cancel out or what?

>>51738418
>dat Raven
10/10, wood smash

>>51736389
Immortal/drop-in is the best build anyway.

>>51735994
>Where can I find magic that'd let me do stuff like that?
Okami, Brush Techniques are bullshit and fuck to fuck around with!

>>51735952
See above. Also, the girls and I randomly do contests involving our powers and sculpting the shit out of whatever landscape we happen to be crossing at the time.

I have on good authority some of those places became shrines and temples. The idea that the kami/spirit/god of the region now owes me and the girls some favours for essentially playing around tickles me greatly.

>>51738463
Hmm. I hadn't considered that. Since it acts differently while on your side, your companion would be given the choice of either not letting it affect you, or if they allowed it to do so, out would force you out of HDD form and into Virus form.

>>51738569
And then the CPU Memory... does that work on me if I'm a young woman? I don't want to turn into a CPU when I pick it up to give to someone.

>>51738594
You have to actively attempt to use it. It won't activate just on physical contact.

>>51737862
Comfy as fuck with everyone having contributed something to the meal. Some laughter and feeding of each other...

...and then other times it's a hotpot stand off.

Brush Techniques, Witch Time, Quick Silver Style, Kaleidoscope Bullshit, Denial of Nothingness Barriers...everything to get something from that pot. For goodness' sakes, I have a connection to the Speed Force and it's still not a guaranteed win!

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>>51738618
>"Hey, Anon, what's this weird flashdrive thing you've got on the table? Did you stick an LED into it or something to make it glow like tha-"
>BOOM
>"...Whoops."

>>51736395
It's a hell of a drug that'll be banned soon.

>>51738826
You keep saying that like you can make that happen.

That is funny to me.

>>51738826
I know this is bait, but I'm curious. Why should it be banned?

>>51738907
Is there something that the above anon is butt-blasted about with Okami?

>>51738962
>I know this is bait, but I'm curious. Why should it be banned?

Because Soanon had a giant tantrum a few days back...again and wanted all of their jumps removed

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>>51736331
You are so full of shit your eyes are turning brown. You must be really pissed off coming to the realization I am more active than you thought I was. And you really shouldn't be, who knows your probably a fan of some of my work and we wouldn't know it. If anything I'm less involved in shitstorms than I ever was and I intend to keep it that way. But do know when you blatantly lie like this I am laughing at you.

>>51736317
>There's nothing wrong about the Underworld jump

Thanks, although as an early jump I do think it it has a lot of flaws and when I get ready to do the update its going to get some refinements. Rather far away though.

>>51738025
Does it work for other systems of magic? Also, do you suppose that applying the rapier's properties to an enchanted weapon would ruin it?

>>51738994
Huh. Thanks for the info blast, 'preciate it.

Is kingpin relevant to spideys growth as a hero/person in any way?

Because I want to utterly fuck him over, but am slightly afraid of fucking spidey over at the same time.

>>51739025
>Huh. Thanks for the info blast, 'preciate it.

No problem anon

>>51738962
It's the shitposter's way. Someone fucks up, he tried to exploit it to make everyone few bad enough to kill the thread. You'll notice he actually makes up bullshit in the laziest possible way when it comes to jumpmakers he thinks are popular at the moment like Val, Heavensanon and DeSuanon. Pretty sure he's the same guy who keeps stalking Garlock on SB like Regina George spreading rumours about an ugly girl.

Basically, the guy who made Okami freaked out and publically announced he was leaving thread because he saw discussion about the Towergirls jump, thought it was getting into the drive and panicked.

>>51738999
Oh and if anyone wants to catch a liar when talking about me, the words "replace jumps" is a big warning sign. I've never wanted jumps replaced and in fact I've said I don't like the idea at all, so when you see that you know its the shitposter.

Now I've said what I really think on duplicate jumps, but as the thread has shown it doesn't want to do that I respect the decision. I can't say I don't see the issues they are worried about happening and I do see the benefits to the current system.

>>51738999
>>51739092
Weren't you and someone else working on an update to Underworld based off of the new movie?

>>51739160
He was willing to help me brainstorm, but its been a while. I have no problem working with him if he is still interested thought.

>>51738418
Yorokonde, what does the 400 CP Normal Student perk actually do? Does it tell you which action will make you better as a person?

Can someone unban me from the IRC. It seems to think I'm a botnet.

>>51739272
And what's to say you're not?

>>51739290
>And what's to say you're nut?
FTFY

>>51738999
You are hilarious when you lie to defend yourself.

>>51739326
10/10, that was bretty sweet.

>>51738999
Didn't you start screaming at Val for an hour when he said your fanfiction was bad?

>>51739379
Didn't Wild_Card nerf an entire origin because he didn't like that people were taking it?

See? He's not even trying anymore. Look, I called it a couple posts earlier and he thinks he's being CLEVER by namedropping someone I didn't list.

He's the Wile E. Coyote of shitposters.

>>51739522
Whoa, man, who's shitposting here? I'm legit curious. Seems a bit like you're barking at shadows.

>>51739272
I'll mention it later when someone with administrative access hops on.

>>51739347
You are hilarious when you make claims without proof and expect anyone to take them at face value.

>>51739379
I find it far more interesting that in order to know val and I had a conversation about fanfiction you have to be an IRC namefag. And they were only regulars there at the time.

Why don't you admit who you really are? Coward.

>>51739002
Yes, Perks generalize.

For the rapier, no, but only because you bought it with CP. Normally the mithral nature of the weapon would prevent it from being enchanted though, yes. Which will probably lead to interesting questions if people find out that your magic ignoring weapon is somehow magical.

>>51739601
In other words, you'll convene with Red as to who should be allowed on the IRC.

>>51739577
You see that guy a few posts above me? "Anon Heart"? Yeah, well, he's not a true anon. He's an SB-er.

>>51739616
Not denying I see.

>>51739621
Exactly, you've seen through my clever plot. As we speak, I, the shadow master, am preparing my list of who does and doesn't belong in the IRC Ubermensch. I've already busted TheNut, but because you've caught on to me, my plans have been foiled.

>>51739616
>Coward
Oh, so you really are the shitposter?

>>51739644
Shadlith specifically. Sorry, what exactly are we talking about?

>>51739577
The guy who brought up Wild Card out of nowhere.

And now the guy switching targets to Anon Heart in an incredibly asinine response to being called out.

>>51739644
>>51739621
You have the mentality of a stereotypical highschol cheerleader, and likely the physique of a neckbeard. I just wanted you to know how horrifying that sounds to me.

>>51739621
Ah truly a nefarious scheme to let me back on the IRC after it fucked up. Truly a devil in the flesh.

>>51739714
He's pointing at you, going "ha ha, you're from SB!" and then hoping somebody will give a shit enough to start throwing a fit at you or at least give him an opening to samefag you away.

The thing is-when inevitably, nobody goes full raeg mode he doesn't dare push the matter further. He's so much of a little bitch that when he tries to spread rumors, it's much more common for him to say things like "Everyone says" or "why are you doing X to the thread?" because he's too chickenshit to even stand out this much. He must be getting desperate to randomly throw out accusations like this.

>>51739758
Ah, got it, thank you.

>>51739714
By the way for the record I know you're from SB, and I also know you're alright. Just wanted to get that out there because his next line is gonna be "nu-uh, he totally is!".

Keep up the good work, man.

>>51739648
When you provide evidence of that discussion happening the way claimed I will bother with it. Right now I am more interested in the fact its an ircer with a grudge lying about old shit.

>>51739716
>likely the physique of a neckbeard.
Nah, (un?)fortunately. Everyone knows that all shitposters are Australian, and they're all pretty fit down there.

>>51739769
Glad to hear that, and I'm happy you enjoy my jumps!

>>51739798
But you're acknowledging that it happened already. You're just too much of a coward to do anything but accuse in return. For someone who talks such a big game, you're quite the hypocrite.

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>>51739212
It won't tell you anything directly. It won't just show you the correct path or a set of actions to accomplish anything. Instead, it simply helps you become the person you truly want to be. During times of stress you'll realize issues that have been holding you back, allowing you to overcome them or accept them. It will usually result in it being easier to decide on the what to do with the issue at hand.

It's based on the Baseball episode of FLCL. Naota refused to swing because his brother was such a superstar in the sport. If he didn't swing, no one could find out if he was good or bad at it. The more deeply seated reason was that he didn't want to be compared to his brother.

It's kind of like that.

>>51739831
Whatever you say Brown Eyes.

>>51739847
Alright, thanks. And I just now realized that I left out any context for my question.

>>51739805
I thought Australia was wiped out by a tidal wave of poison in the late nineteenth century? I mean Master's of Red has a whole section on it.

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Have you ever taken pleasure in the act of killing?

>>51739889
That's what they say... but rumor has ii that the survivors, in a desperate bid to restore their former glory, have turned to dark magic using the internet as a catalyst for some long-forgotten ritual. Though surely these are just stories, right?

>>51739919
Dicks out for murder is what I always say.

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>>51739928
Yeah, just rumours mate. Don't believe everything you hear, it's dangerous for ya eternal soul.

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>>51739919

>>51739952
You say that as if you weren't sacrificing babies to your dingo god and drop bear messiahs.

>>51739919
Look. All I'm saying is that mosquitoes have no right to continue existing, and that a properly designed race of minor demons can probably take over whatever spot they're supposed to have in the ecosystem without annoying humans.

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>>51739979
Don't be silly. Drop Bears are just a myth we made up to scare silly tourists.

Fool, our messiah is already amongst you. The Huge Jacked Man can no longer be stopped. Soon, all things shall be barbecued.

>>51739997
True, although I believe some mosquitos provide pollination to some plants most of them could be replaced.

>>51739805
>they're all pretty fit down there
You'd have to be, dodging all thos poisonous critters.
And it doesn't surprise me that it's the Australians at all. You honestly can't expect anything better from the descendants of a bunch of criminals those crooked-toothed fucks in Britain didn't even want.

>>51740015

> -soon all things shall be barbecued
Oh hell yes, hail Wolverine.

>>51739997
Reminder that mosquitoes are literally 7,000 times worse than Hitler and have killed six times more people than currently exist on Earth.

>>51740049
Exactly! Fuck mosquitoes. Though as >>51740019 pointed out, they're somewhat important to some parts of the ecosystem, so I do make sure to have a replacement lined up. The replacement just doesn't bite humans, and is thus superior in every way I care about.

>>51740049
>muh sins of the father
>muh guilt by association
By that metric, humanity is literally several times worse than Hitler.

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>>51739847
Happy Flag Day, hat.

>>51740098
>father

Technically mother, as it's the females mosquitoes that drink blood.
They're bitches.

>>51740089
Fuck mosquitos and their ability to sometimes maybe pollinate, just get more bees. Bees have been in decline and do the job of pollinating plants way better. Save the bees, make mosquitos irrelevant.

>>51740118
I suddenly remember how I once had a plan of merging bees with moths to create giant fluffy bee hives.

Might remove the stingers too. Testing would be required.

>>51740141
Stingless bees already exist.
Some even make honey.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stingless_bee

>>51739616
Haven't you been banned for months now? How could you be on the IRC?

>>51740141
>giant fluffy bee hives
On one hand I am excited because GIANT FLUFFY MOTH, but on the other hand I am terrified because BEEEEEEEESSSSS!!!

>>51736307
Wait so an Arcane caster won't have the relevant Knowledge or Skills for that ability? That would by necessity be part of their history in the world wouldn't it? I mean for a wizard that renders the capstone completely worthless, their capacity to use magic is entirely based on knowledge and skill. They would miraculously be able to cast at X level but would have to start from scratch as "level 1" to be able to progress at all!

>>51740141

Moths and bees together would make a nice pet due to fluffy dancing cuteness, but ineffective honey maker. Moth bits too inefficient to work well, hive too cramped by floof.

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>>51740141
Nah nah nah. Here's what you do. Cross bees with moths for aesthetics, then with silk worms. Instead of hives, they'll build cocoons filled with honey. Then you can just pluck the little sacks off the trees, poke a hole in it, and suck out a delicious honey Caprisun.

You'll have giant, fluffy, solitary bees pointing your crops and making you honey juice boxes. Plus, once drained, you'll be able to unravel the cocoon for silk.

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>>51740253
At least its a better idea then making a horsefish, that one turned out odd for my jumper.

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>>51740104
Happy Flag Day, you nutty Anon.

>>51740338
Pretty... Or horrifying?

>>51740251
Ignore it, the perk itself implies that you will have that knowledge.
>Through Intense study or awakened blood
At least in the case of learned caster you will have the requisite knowledge as it came from study.

>>51740349
Pretty, but I'm constantly worrying about "what if I accidentally squished it?" which then makes it horrifying.

>>51740251

I think 'Skilled Individual' is meant to represent skill ranks, just... without using the actual term. Presumably that felt too game-mechanichey for the author.

So you could still level as wizard and would still have enough practical/academic knowledge for that, but not the broader base of information Knowledge (arcana) ranks give.

>>51740015

Hey, Val, I was curious about this.
>A Pseudo Servant is much the same as a Demi Servant, a Servant is summoned into a human vessel but in this case the Servant is the one who gains control over the body with the human spirit already discarded.

If we go Pseudo does that kill whoever was originally in the host body? Do we get summoned into a brain-dead shell? Or what's going on there?

>>51735918
Yes, you did.

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>tfw snap out of a daze to realise the Servant Supplement has been consuming you slowly from the inside out, like a parasitic fungus made of accountancy
>tfw /finally/ think you've made a breakthrough, but you'll have to reshuffle your Fate chain a little
>tfw you swear this time you won't regret it and change everything in a couple months
>tfw you almost believe it

>>51740015
Isn't he literally on his last Wolvie movie tho?

Also, assuming a Noble Phantasm mechanically identical to F/Z Assassin's Zabaniya: Delusional Illusion except aesthetically it doesn't come with the black shadowiness that automatically makes it good for espionage, what sort of bonuses could it have if purchased at A+++ rank?

>>51740334
Welcome to the club. You try and make a race of mass produceable minions, you end up with derpy reptile corgis. Fuckin' DNA being all evolutionary and shit.

>>51740241
>>51740141
>>51740327
On the other hand I approve of absolutely everything about this, and would like to recommend the Godzilla jump for it because there's a perk there to make animal minions huge. Think FF12 has some water that does it too.

You should also totally add spiders, they can be fuzzy.

>>51740253
Clearly the solution is to add albatross DNA so their fluff is honeyproof. Then you just have to worry about fluffy honey.

>>51740334
Why didn't you make a Horse Fish that was half Seahorse instead of half tuna or some shit?

>>51740334
You'd never get a saddle on that thing~!

>>51740413
That crocodog is fuckin adorable. This is the type of thread time that makes me happy.

>>51740422
Mpreg.

Can you imagine the poor thing sputing out tiny colts while flailing about on dry land, unable to go anywhere quickly because there's a reason the only creatures nature evolved to have one foot are the ones who don't have a horse-like gait or live out of water?

The poor thing would curse the madman who created it. Or beg for death. Or both.

Question on the Nature of a Noble Phantasm and how it affects Parameters.

There are canon NPs and Personal Skills that permanently change the value of a given parameter. How should I play this when making my Servant? Do I pay for the value twice over or pay once for the NP?

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>>51740435
It makes me fuckin' embarrassed about my earliest experiments with the Geneforge, is what it does.

Here, while we're looking over my old mistakes I found a higher res pic of the Puppershark: Supposedly a naval biological weapon, in practice basically a cat but aquatic.

>>51740384
>I think 'Skilled Individual' is meant to represent skill ranks, just... without using the actual term. Presumably that felt too game-mechanichey for the author.
>So you could still level as wizard and would still have enough practical/academic knowledge for that, but not the broader base of information Knowledge (arcana) ranks give.
This doesn't really make much sense though, I mean any origin other than drop in should have skills and knowledge related to their life up to that point and general knowledge of the Arcane is among them for a Wizard (or any arcane caster really). It is looking like you have to make multiple purchases of a certain drop in perk just to have the relevant skills for your other purchases which you would expect to be part of your origin unless you are a drop in.

>>51736307
Can you buy the perks where you choose one of it's effects multiple times to get more than one of the possible effects?

Such as Arcane Pact twice for both an Improved familiar and being a Warlock or Trickery twice to be both a Rouge and a Bard.

>>51740438
Wha...why, anon? Why?

>>51740438
But. . .but why wouldn't you give it the four legs and the neck of a horse with a seahorse body?

>>51740459
Embarrassing in the way your mom shows your friends your baby pictures. You might hate it, I adore this because the pictures are adorable.

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>>51740384
The human body either had it's spirit removed (They just made it brain dead orsomething) or is just a really good artificial thing that's the same as a living body in every way. Up to you.

>>51740413
It'd probably give you more bodies to split into. 320 would be my estimate as to the maximum number of divides at A+++.

>>51740454
Just pay for the NP.

>>51740460

I mean... not skill and knowledge in general, but the actual "skill" system in DnD. Like, this is the d20 srd's entry for Knowledge (arcana)

>Arcana (ancient mysteries, magic traditions, arcane symbols, cryptic phrases, constructs, dragons, magical beasts)

You can be a wizard without putting skill ranks into that. It might be a prerequisite for certain things like a prestige class or whatever, but it's not supposed to be the same sort of knowledge you need for your class abilities, if that makes any sense.

>>51740514
Possibly a dumb question, as I feel you've already answered this, but if I take the long war and win them, can I wish for the true magics the way the eizenbern want to?

>>51740578
Any wishes you get from grail wars here will be puffed away to post chain.

>>51740578
I recall that the Wishes you get from Fate jumps are held until post-spark, but you raise a related question: Do we get multiple Wishes if we win several of the wars from the F/Z Long War drawback?

>>51740514
Gotcha, thanks.

>>51740490
Well, how would YOU go about making a hybrid seahorse-horse?

>>51740493
Because that's how seahorses WORK?

And THIS is why I don't take friends home.

>>51739997
Also, I feel the same way about the guinea worm personally.

>>51740601
Sure.

>>51740588
Are there any/ is there a list of banned NPs?

>>51740549
That makes more sense I suppose, that is a confusing bunch of posts up there though.

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>>51740611
I guess common sense like not trying to claim the most powerful stuff from GO like Solomon's NPs are stuff you can take is obvious. Not getting collection NPs is described in jump and anything that would make you completely invincible should generally get reduced to 99+% invincible. Oh, and nothing from BB or her girls.

So aside form the top level of GO stuff, collection NPs, BB or her girls stuff or anything that'd make you totally invincible, there shouldn't be much banned.

>>51740514
> Just pay for the NP.
Okay, thanks boss!

Step 2 of smugly meeting the folks will soon be complete. Tokiomi is gonna have a coronary when he sees his grown up daughter...as my Servant.

> Hi Daddy! [ http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/typemoon/images/b/ba/Formal_Craft.png/revision/latest?cb=20151007074159 ]

My connection got very, very retarded, hopefully the link works. It's of the Formalcraft Craft Essence image.

>>51740650
The reason I ask was because I was looking at Sha Nagba Imuru on the wiki, which I assume hits the limit for being OP although I'm also not sure of the full extent of it. How much would I need to reduce it to make it acceptable?

Unrelated, but who & where is that picture from?

>>51740609
If the long war makes all the other drawbacks worse, why is it 0 cp?

>>51740650
Stupid question. GO shows how Magic Circuits were formed by Solomon using Goetia as some kind of basis, meaning magic circuits are demonic stuff. Could the Demon Summoning Handbook help with using demons to create more circuits? What else would we need?

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>>51740697
Neato.

>>51740717
Sha Nagba isn't actual omniscience. Focus less on the name, more on what it actually does. It really just comes out to some Claivoyance ranks, more limited even, prediction skills, instincts and amazing insight and wisdom into things.

Also, it's Galan, one of the coolest characters of Seven Deadly Sins.

>>51740768
Because you need to take those other drawbacks for them to get worse? All it does on it's own is extend the time you're here. The only drawbacks it affects are those that are based around the Grail War, which increase to cover each of the Grail Wars you go to so they retain the level of badness with the ones that don't only work during specific week long periods.

>>51740808
No, the Demon Summoning Handbook is going to be about as useful as a life raft with no air when you're talking about feats done by the King of Magic with the strongest demons ever.

>>51740830
>No, the Demon Summoning Handbook is going to be about as useful as a life raft with no air when you're talking about feats done by the King of Magic with the strongest demons ever.
Well I wasn't asking if the book could replicate his actions right out of the gate, I was asking if it could help with eventually doing something with it. As in potentially contribute at some point in the far future.

It's a 600cp item, but since I know jack and shit about what nasu demons do aside from that big bombshell thread freaked out about a few months back I just didn't know what else the book could be useful for.

>>51740697
>linked picture
She looks pretty cool, I have to admit.
Also those gems look like the Infinity Stones.
...Oh boy, I just realized that Jewel Magecraft may have more use than expected, given the wide variety of gems and crystals that can be found in the chain.

>>51740015

Drop Bears are a thing in Shadowrun mind you. So...

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>>51740874
>What else the book could be useful for
Gosh, maybe it lists a few other things it could summon and that it updates in future worlds. You never know these days..

Sarcasm aside, maybe it might help get you a headstart on working out how to summon those demons since it does include a pretty good amount of research starting in that direction, though you'd need to complete that research yourself, but that's about it. Actually turning them into magic circuits is far beyond what the book covers.

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>>51740650
Not that anon, but would a golem creation factory as my EX NB combined with Item Creation EX and Territory Creation EX allow me to mass produce NP golems? Something like creating a dozen or so D ranks per day and escalating from that?


I want to do the 130 years drawback in Fate Zero by mass producing space marine golems.

Does anyone know how strong the dragon perk in DxD is? Its implied to pretty impressive but I know very little about the setting and what the power range for dragons is in that.

>>51740926
>Sarcasm aside, maybe it might help get you a headstart on working out how to summon those demons since it does include a pretty good amount of research starting in that direction, though you'd need to complete that research yourself, but that's about it.
>Actually turning them into magic circuits is far beyond what the book covers.
Alright, fair enough. That's all I was asking on. There was no need to be like that. I was asking about the demon stuff because I don't really care for familiars or Servant summoning, and wanted to know if there was more to it than that. Knowing that it's at least a head start is good to know, and I don't really mind working the rest of the way even if it seems to be next to impossible going by your words.

Thank you for putting up with the question.

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>>51740878
...oh jaysus, that never crossed my mind.

> Infinity Stones
> Hyogoku
> Dragon Gem
> Soul Gems
> Soul Stones
> Jewel Seeds
> Star Seeds
> Legendary Silver and Gold Crystals

...Rin's gonna go Gollum on all of us at some point. I can see it already. Wait.

> Next Import Jump is Lyrical Nanoha
> Pic related.

Halp.

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>>51740971
A dozen or so a day with all that seems fine, yeah. You'd need to be there maintaining it if you want them to be NP level though.

>>51740981
Eh, sorry if it came off harsh. Meant it as more amused sarcasm? It was why I put the 'sarcasm aside' bit in. If I was just being annoyed I wouldn't have.

>>51741024
Is there a limit on how many magical circuits someone can have?
Will they catch on fire or something if they've got too much juice running through them?

>>51740650
If we take King of Jumpers how does the Charisma that grants compare to the skill?

>>51740830
The long game is basically is capstone boosting /drawback/. Which, IMHO, is fucking scary.

Used goods and return of the king might only last a week or two, but it still multiplies them by four.

...Although, they way you phrased that seems to imply that the other drawbacks will wear off after the standard ten years, which seems slightly too good to be true.

>>51740981
The DxD Dragons range from just mountain destroyers to honest-to-goodness god killers.

The level that the Perk gives to start at is baby-level according to the Dragons, enough to destroy a half a large city roughly. Considering the fact some of the toughest Rooks, Bishops, and Knights are, in fact, pretty much solo army-killers to start with.

Think of the Dragons as Saiyans and then you'll begin to have a good idea of sheer power they can grow to command.

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>>51741067
I don't know. Maybe? It seems like it might but I don't remember anything about it. Up to you I guess.

>>51741085
B, probably.

>>51741092
You know the same can be said of any time extending option? You have to deal with all of the other non war specific drawbacks for 13 times as long as usual, same with how any time extending drawback makes you deal with drawbacks for far longer, making them worse. It's only fair that the few drawbacks focused only on specific times also expand.

They won't wear off after ten years, no.

>>51741110
Um... I think you meant to reply to >>51740972.

>>51741110
>honest to goodness god killers
How vague.

To clarify on anons statement, I don't think there's really anything in DxD beyond country or large country level.

>>51738025
>Headhunter also gives you a pack of
That is not clear in the Perk description at all.
Can they refuse to cast spells if they don't like what you are doing, or cast against you, on on their own. Like, "You are not hating humans enough, but hey your young and will learn to hate them in time. In the mean time, we'll just make every human around you have their head explode. to help you out!"

>>51741110
>>51741154

ah thank you for explaining, I was wondering why full power was limited to post-spark but if its something like a saiyan-human power gap I can understand why. Anything else I should be wary of in the setting? As mentioned I have not read the books or watched a single episode. Is there conceptual hax or things like that?

>>51741147
Then, something like 100 cp? It's not that bad on it's own, but it does make everything else worse.

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>>51741178
Again, no. Getting much more time in a jump is a benefit, stop focusing on the fact that it makes drawbacks worse when all time extending options do the same thing. If you're willing to go through and have every time extending drawback in every jump changed to at least +100, then I will. Until then it will remain 0cp.

>>51741024
>You'd need to be there maintaining it if you want them to be NP level though.

Is that meant for the factory to be working or for the golems to function. If it's the latter, it kinda defies the whole purpose of building them. Unless they have a decent range.

Could that be solved with more NPs?

>>51737193
>Jump has stood as it is for way to long for me to want to be making changes now.

>I cannot be arsed to update the jump to let jumpers know the 100 CP items that are supposed to be free actually are. The thing that started this whole brouhaha.
fixed that for you.

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>>51741239
For making them golems be Noble Phantasms. The factory will still work and the golems will still function without being NPs, the same as if you were making them with golemancy. It's just if you want IC EX to make them into NPs, you need to personally be there for each and every one to constantly maintain it, like if you were making something with just IC. The factory just makes that faster.

You can still have great golems without making them all be individual Noble Phantasms anon. No, if you want to make actual, real deal NPs, you need to stick by that. No NP for making NPs.

>>51741151
...oh, whoops. My bad!

>>51741154
Oh, right, to explain that, basically, to even harm gods you need to be above a certain level or be a conceptual weakness to them otherwise they'll no-sell all your shit. There's a character who can literally embody the very Concept of Complete Destruction, he is one of those god-killers, however, strong enough dragons like Ddraig, Albion, Apophis, and Azi Dahaka don't give a fuck about that.

>>51741167
Lots of Conceptual Hax all over the place sadly, the Sacred Gear system is largely the cause of that.

Be wary of Dragons, especially the Evil Dragons, but otherwise, strange shit will happen, it's strongly advised that you grab any Perks that we help you adjust to weirdness fast. Or you're in for a headache-inducing time.

Example, one of the most dangerous characters in the series has recently found out he has a thing for hips and asses, and since this is all new to him, he went to the home of the guy who gives him a murderboner to watch porn and understand this new feeling.

What are ways one can achieve immortality outside of the Hero BBS jump because I've already been there.

That don't involve murder or human sacrifice or anything like that.

>>51736307
>Neverwinter Nights - v1.3.pdf
needs a sentence under item section
50% discounts on items in sections matching your archetype, 100cp discounted items are free once.

Could use another +100, +200, & +300 CP drawback.

What do you need to be a Hellfire Warlock?

>>51741316
>That last sentence
...what.

>>51741316
how bad would it be if I stopped Issei from being resurrected at the start? I dont want to deal with that BS gear of his but as a MC he is likely pretty involved in later happenings, yes?

>>51741373
No, really, that's a thing that happened.

I love Highschool DxD, but goodness it gets strange at times.


>>51741384
Well, having him stay dead means a lot characters never ever get happier, some would actually get more depressed, but also you doom the entire world to complete destruction from evil dragons and gods beyond the universe.

He's kinda important, but he's also an alright guy as long as you don't piss him off.

>>51741356
Question: do you mind immortal altforms because there are prolly a ton of species that are somehow biologically immortal
or do you mean just a pure 'you are now immortal' perk?

>>51740236
That's how old this discussion he is talking about is. He is trying to stir up shit from back when QuickSilver was posting the DBZ endjump.

>>51741423
>tfw an entire series revolves around one of the worst protags ever with little to no redeeming qualities and who's only obsession is tits and harems
The world was doomed from the start.

>>51741356

Tenchi muyo jurian tree

>>51741356
Chronicles of Narnia has a drop-in capstone that, among other things, gives you absolute control of your own aging.

There are tons of race options in various jump that are biologically immortal, from elves to robots to aliens.

Being undead is another idea, I can recall offhand that Generic Universal Monster has a 400 CP perk that makes you immortal and your biological processes redundant.

Straight immortality is fiat-banned in Dragon Ball, but eternal youth is a valid wish.

Hell, with all the weird energies available in the chain, you'll probably end up just naturally becoming immortal over time as you accumulate power.

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>>51740982
>Entire Gemcraft jump

>>51741423
Seem like I need to ffamiliarize myself with yet another serues before i jump it then. but to be honest I was planning on starting global war anyway since I want to take the 600 drawback

>>51741455
We need more "you're good at drop-kicking stupid protagonists" perks.

So I'm thinking of starting a side chain based on Oberon king of the fairys I'll need 8 jumps to kick start it. I'll need wings, nobility, magic items, master sword skill, powerful magic, and a castle.

Say it with me,
> Anime flanderization
The Light Novel gives you Issei's pov on the story and you find that the kid actually pretty alright, perverted certainly, but I'll be honest, he grew up into the best harem protagonist lead I've ever seen. That's what the Anime fucked up with, his character development.

He's right up there with John Galt from HPQ.

>>51741356
Go to touhou, wait until mokou and kaguya rip each other apart, then eat their liver. First bite will make you ageless, second will make you diseaseless, third will make you technically immortal in the truest sense and you are conceptually unkillable. I hope you can make universes because you'll survive the heat death of your own.

>>51741496
Dude, this is fucking serious, I need to figure out how to keep Tohsaka from the Jewel Seeds!

Otherwise Earth is FUCKED!

>>51740549
>You can be a wizard without putting skill ranks into that.
>>51737193
>He is kind of a dick. Ah well, I got other shit I need to do.
Ok. I kind of need to apologize here. I was a bit sleep deprived there. After getting some and rereading the rules, the skill to learn spells, identify spells, etc, that represents the practice in casting spells necessary to be a practicing spell caster is Spell craft, not Knowledge: Arcane or Religion.

And, you never said a spell caster lacks that ability. So I was riding your ass for nothing.

In addition, Mystic Theurge is a basic D&D Prestige class, but not actually implemented in the computer games, So saying you need an extra perk to be one there is not invalidating any setting archetypes at all.

Needing a bit more in depth knowledge then most in the setting have to be one is reasonable where it is not commonplace is reasonable.

Again sorry about getting into an argument by completely remembering how spell casting worked.

>>51741535
Cheer up, from what hear while the raw magic of the gems is potent, the AoE covers a very narrow range.

>>51741517
>John Galt
>JOHN GALT

...Fate spinoff or Atlas Shrugged anime adaption? On a scale of Oda Nobunaga to Arturia how differently is he portrayed?

>>51741593
>...Fate spinoff or Atlas Shrugged anime adaption?
Nah, it was a joke on the part of the players in the Quest, the Character was just named John Galt.

>>51741511
The DnD jumps, Generic Dungeon Builder, and Generic Dungeon crawl would get you most of that

but as a +/- it would mean completely coming up with your own story at that point.

>>51741356
Herlules/Zena, Golden Apple that grants ageless immortality. Ditto DC Occult and the Fountain of Youth, It also has a Philosophers Stone. Doesn't help you by default, but trained magic users can usually use them to make potions that halt aging &/or make you younger, by perfecting your body.