Horus Heresy General /hhg/

>>51732528
Safe to say that failed

Also, Three Pallas speeders or three custode dickbikes with corvae pulsers?

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>>51732528

I've doomed my legion forever, haven't I?

>>51732579
They've been doomed for a long time.

>>51732601
Oh well.
I wonder how long it will take for this thread to pick up?
Most Burgers should be off work by now.

>>51732625
It's v day. It's times for getting it in or crymaxing. Maybe both.

>>51732646
Oh riiight. My girlfriend lives with me now and neither of us really cares.
Whats your excuse?

>>51732668
1,200 miles

>>51732646
>crymaxing
is that jerking it while crying or is it using your dissapointment as fuel in the gym to hit a new PR?
because i did both

>>51732699
Deadlift, Bench or Squat?
And whats your total for all three?
>>51732688
Deployed?

>>51732745
>Deployed?
Nah, just across the country with senpai.

>whathasthisthreadbecome

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>>51732870
>senpai
haha didn't know 4chan changed "f a m" to senpai that's so weeb I love it.

More black custodes!

>>51732890
it also changes t b h to desu

>>51732890
Is that your phone photo? Or from an earlier dump?

>>51732926
Earlier dump

>>51732890
Wait, wut?
I thought they all wore gold.

>>51732745
hit lmao3pl8 on my deadlift, and i'm on 1pl8 bench and 2pl8 squat
it ain't great, but it's progress

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>>51733039

>adeptus titanicus

I'm hyped but I also want infantry

FW pls

Discussion topic: 3rd party models and proxies. What's the good shit you've found, what's the worst examples you've seen, etc?

Does anyone know where I can get the Epub of the Taghmata List? The PDF is all well and good, but I'd like the Epub for taking to the FLGS.

How quickly do you think FW will get out the Inferno FAQ?

>>51733121
>adeptus titanicus
I am also hyped. If the Warlord is the size of a plastic knight at the very least i'll have some badass knights.

>>51733170
Month, maybe. I dont know why FW is so behind on FAQs considering GWs recent faqqing spree.

>>51733170

June, probably

>>51733213
>>51733210
I disappointed with the typos and wargear errors mostly.

>>51733263
I'm dissapointed with the majority of peoples ineptitude at basic reading comprehension. Hell most don't even read the rules it seems.

It doesn't help that sometimes it is FWs fault though.

I read the SW rules once and thought "Ha nope." and refuse to look at them now.

>>51733319
>Hell most don't even read the rules it seems.
There's almost always some wishlisting/RAW interpretation that goes on with every release that I'm used to. Example would be the Sekhmet termis and their powers and people arguing they have access to all but they can choose on pyromancy/telekinesis. Or the Wolves being annoyed that cant attach characters to their slayer squads and get their bonuses.

But oversights in wargear, force maul and frost swords say, directly influence modeling and that triggers me immensely.

Theres also potential rule oversights that I'd like an answer on, such as whether Magnus should be able to shoot his witchfires out of the new TSons robots. Because he doenst have the LA TSon's special rule he can currently use them, which could be intended or its could have just been missed.

>>51733423
>force maul
Force Stave. They are called Force Staves

>>51733464
Tell that to FW mate.

>>51733487
I did. They haven't gotten back to me yet.

>>51733423
>Example would be the Sekhmet termis and their powers and people arguing they have access to all but they can choose on pyromancy/telekinesis
That's easily solved by reading. "They may choose..." So, they may, but don't have to choose. What do you do then? Follow the basic rules for psykers and generate form whats available. Nothing crazy there.

The FnP vs their pinning rule is the stupid one. FnP is a special rule like smash. It's not part of the save process. So they both occur at the same time. That one is GWs fault for not just making FnP a save instead of this weird retroactive rules timing nightmare that it is now. I have no idea why they made it so unnecessarily complicated. I want FnP to be fixed in 8E.

>>51733065
DL-515 (conventional)
Skwat-455
Bench-315

I'm a big guy

>>51733502
Go ahead and ask them if my power fist can have a power fist as well thanks.

>>51733516
and if the custodes bike guns can spoon another gun

>>51733513
>That's easily solved by reading. "They may choose..."
But do you think thats intended? I personally dont thing so, but RAW. If it read 'must choose from' there wouldnt be a problem.

>The FnP vs their pinning rule is the stupid one.
It will be FAQed to be the same as the wargear ruling IMO.

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>>51733515
stop making me feel bad about my weak PRs
congrats tho those are pretty phenomenal numbers

>>51733624
I've been lifting for close to seven years now, since late freshman year in high school.
Lost over 225 pounds, from 495 to 270 @ 6'6" (225kg to 122kg, @1.98m)

>>51733624
>>51733652
which is why I don't care that I can't paint eyes on my marines as well as others. My hands are fucked.

>>51733652
>Lost over 225 pounds

Good job, anon.

>>51733620
>But do you think thats intended? I personally dont thing so, but RAW. If it read 'must choose from' there wouldnt be a problem.
Which part? The choosing? 100% beyond the shadow of a doubt. They used "generate" for every other psyker in the book. So they know the difference and deliberately said "choose".

Or do you mean rolling elsewhere? It does say "May", and they've been shown to use may and must in different places so they know the difference there. Them not including the alternative is what's weird about it. Was it supposed to be "May choose rather than rolling."? They would have had a restriction to only TK and PM too if that were the case. But if it was "May choose from PM or TK or generate from other available..." you would think it would have said that as well. I personally think they wanted to keep it brief considering where the text is. Plus Sekhmet can be drawn from every other Cult Arcana, if they studied the other schools why wouldnt they be able to draw powers from there? I guess they just really like TK and PM for some reason though,

>>51733704

It would be nice if they clarified though. Different people read things differently, so it is always nice when they don't word things partially ambiguously.

>>51733704
>Or do you mean rolling elsewhere?
Yes.I dont

>But if it was "May choose from PM or TK or generate from other available..." you would think it would have said that as well.
Thats my reasoning for it being unintended, and I dont think then need rolls on biomancy honestly.

>>51733758
I dont understand the argument for them not choosing honestly.*

>>51733773
>Different people read things differently

Some people read "choose from powers from X & Y" means that the other 4 disciplines are excluded.
Others think it means they can actually choose powers instead of rolling on those tables.

>>51733727
Personally I don't think RAW it need clarification. There's no ambiguous rules language to follow if you've read the rule book. There's no other potentially correct interpretation.

A confirmation of intent is different from a clarification.

Now if they printed the wrong version entirely that'd be different. Something that would not surprise me.

>>51733758
>>But if it was "May choose from PM or TK or generate from other available..." you would think it would have said that as well.
>Thats my reasoning for it being unintended, and I dont think then need rolls on biomancy honestly.
I'll echo my previous statement about keeping it brief because of where the rule is located. It's a small italicized note from an asterisk. Making it too wordy there would be messy. They could have avoided it entirely if they gave them a special rule like "Fire and Stone" in their rules and then spelled out how exactly to do their powers. Would have been clean and easy. But It's FW; They're bad at writing rules on a general level.

>>51733825
They can think that, they'd be wrong RAW. But they can think that. Don't forget the word "May" in "May choose". It's the Atrapos as LoW for marines all over again.

We can't argue RAI based off of gut feelings. We can, like I have done, draw parallels of other similar instances(Like my example of how the other psykers say "generate" so we know FW knows the ramifications of "may choose powers" vs "must generate") to deduce the probable RAI. Even in this case where RAW has one path to objectively follow, it's FW. They're bad at rules. I love them, but rules are their weakest aspect.

>>51733679
eyes are fucking gay anyways, just let the flesh wash settle in and leave it as is

>>51732544
Bikes, those lascannons are solid, and it has melee ability as well. Pallas with adrathic guns may be good if they enemy likes their monstrous creatures/characters, but against all enemies, the jetbike is a better option.

RAW is just plain awful now. Going by strict RAW, only HQs and compulsory units would have an Arcana buff because no TS unit explicitly has "Cult Arcana" in the profile - not even the special characters - and TS legion rules say nothing about "Cult Arcana" as a legion characteristic native to psykers (the only mention of it being rules lore).

Yes, Brotherhood of Psykers = Cult Arcana. But its not even explicitly stated, which means RAW says Magnus doesn't get a Cult Arcana buff.

>>51733936
it's like you want your marines to miss their shots

>>51734070
No, Cult Arcana is part of the "Legiones Astartes: Thousand Sons" rule. All of the legion rules have multiple parts; the TSs' just spreads to the second page.

>>51734111
my marines have such extensive cybernetics that eyes arent necessary anymore
THE FLESH IS

W E A K
E
A
K

>>51733936
"eyes are fucking gay" - /tg/, 2017

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>>51734125

I'm looking at it right now. Cult Arcana isn't mentioned until page 3. There is no mention of Cult Arcana in the typical "following provisions" list where Legion-unique characteristics would normally be listed. Theres a rule for Veterans and Terminators being able to take Brotherhood of Psykers, but again nowhere does it state Brotherhood of Psykers = Cult Arcana.

Autistic interpretation I know, but my point is pure RAW doesn't even work anymore.

>>51734195
Look closer. Pages 2 and 3 are out of order.
It's an issue with the .pdf, not the rules.

>>51734195
speaking of, what the fuck is the profile for the castellax-achea power claws?

>>51734195
Huh. You're wrong as pointed out, but you just made me realise Magnus doesnt get a Cult and cant shoot witchfires out of the psychic Castellax. No Legionary Astartes(Thousand Sons) rule means it doesnt work for him.

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>People expecting FW to release a FAQ within a reasonable time that will answer all the typos and unclear rule muble-jumble

Daily reminder that there's nothing wrong with Inferno and if you think there is, you shouldn't be playing the game, it's just too hard for you.

>>51734514

Still waiting for an FAQ for IF

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>>51734525
>Nothing wrong with Inferno
>Not at all
>Totally worth every penny that it costs

>>51734371
Screw Magnus he doesnt need the help. Im curious if TSon unit can cast witchfires whilst in combat from the robots.

The Psi-locus rule say that they 'may use one of the models in the Castellax-Archea as the origin point of the power' when using witchifres. And it the Castellax arent in combat they should still be able to fire witchfires still yes?

>>51734545
Still waiting to know what type of Ally Daemons are for a WB army with Erebus or Layak.

>>51734577
Withfires cannot be used in CC because they are shooting attacks correct? If so then its seems possible that they can do that.

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>>51734551
When Forgeworld delays Inferno, they're not editing their best.
They're not writing about the BA. They're not writing about the DA. They're writing about legions that have lots of problems...and they're bringing those problems to the book.

They have OP shit, they have typos, they're leaving tourists and some, I assume, is good fluff, but I speak to leakers and they tell us what we're getting.

And it only makes common sense. It only makes common sense.
And it's gotta stop, and it's gotta stop fast.

Angelus will make /HHG/ great again. For realsies this time :^)

>>51734577
>>51734638

I'm now imagining a sorcerer and his Castallax familiar buddy wading into combat, the sorcerer protecting Big John from the evil termies and holding them off while directing Big John to spam witchfires on the rest of the enemy army.

>>51734693

trumpshitters gotta shit.

>>51734693

Makes you wonder what the delays were even for. Better yet, makes you wonder if its worth buying the other books.

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>>51734721
Like this pic, but more egyptian, and the same amount of witches.

>>51734731
>>51734732
That's what you get when the thread slows down. I need my meme fix, anon!

>>51734732

Don't buy it. Do what we all do. Wait for Scanon.

>>51734752

BUT I WANTED TO HOLD THE BOOKS
THE BIG BLACK BOOKS

>>51734321
Alan Blighe said they were supposed to be fists at the weekender

>>51734752
I love Scananon and don't want to put pressure on him. Won't even adress him with a title, lest we get a Monarchia of our own.
Believe in his works.

>>51734752
scanon is gone, anon
he isnt at university anymore and doesnt have access to the scanner he used to give us such excellent scans before

>>51734693
Inferno would have been great, but GW kept holding up the FW's editor general and secretary of rules in committee as well as getting sympathetic judges to issue stays on rule clarifications. All of Inferno's faults are just GW being jerks because they're upset that FW proved the better company.

I hope there are some models to go with inferno

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How many turns will it take to wipe out these Iron Hands?

>>51734733
>That necron wathcing his mate getting fried in the background]
Lol

>>51734785

Actually, I have 13 more days until my University Login is invalidated. So if Inferno can get here in less than a week, I can and will do the scan. Though hope is the first step on the road to disappointment, and I suspect it won't get here in time.

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>>51734809
That's just like...hey, are we still memeing?
Fake news! We ought to put the blame on a singular topic instead of realizing it's an interwoven chain of errors where everyone has some degree of blame!

>>51734840
All of them.

>>51734840
What are those cute orange skull markers, and why is Kharn wielding a boarding shield?

>>51734870
looks like wounds, and probably because it looks fucking cool

>>51734848
we can only hope
godspeed scanon

What's a powerful but unfluffy combo for your legion, /tg/?

>>51734888

Khorne agrees with you.

>>51734840
>That trashed mastodon

God I wish they werent shit

>>51734840
any more pics?

>>51734888
Nails of Truth

>>51734901
Heavy Flamer Jetbike Command squad with a T5 Eternal warrior Mastercrafted Thunder Hammer 3++ Praetor...for the Salamanders.

>>51734870
>Kharn wielding a boarding shield
>Now want to model a WE captain beating the fuck out of another marine with a boarding shield

So many ideas, so little time ... and money.

>>51734990

If you field a shield captain, you're already an asshole.

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WIP Shield Captain Goldfister.

Who's ready for a good fisting?

He's actually magnetized, made the shield and fist for whenever I feel like being an asshole.

Now with image!

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>>51735010
Also really glad of how his cape turned out.

>>51735010
iiiiiiiiiii loooooooove goooooooooooooooooollldddddd

So how is your legion preparing to face the hoard of Space Wolves and Transexual Sons that will descend upon them in the coming month?

Will you be expanding your Legion's Labrarium to combat the traitors?

Does your Primarch fear Russ' gear?

Does your First Captain grow envious of Ahriman?

>>51735121
>Transexual Sons
I dont get it? Nothing about the legion has anything to do with this...

>>51735121
For the Thousand Sons, I'll run the Dark Brethren rite. There are no Wolves in Winnipeg.

>>51734901
Assault Nipples.

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>>51735121
Be being one

>>51735157
By*

>>51735136
Hey, I for one identify as dust, I will have you know!

>>51735121
Molecular acid shells.

>>51735121

>Space Wolves

Make a Death Star or ally in Custodes Death Star

>Thousand Sons

Buy medusas, quads, leviathans, primarchs, and drown your enemy in hundreds of dollars of merchandise

>>51732668
Mines dying

>>51735157

That TS sorcerer was waving to the Space Wolves in a gesture of friendship before they started smashing his library.

>>51735265
thats dark man
whats going on?

>>51735121
Nobody here actually plays Yiffs, so that's an easy one.

The only one who would have played TS for certain was me, but I don't want to play those cheesy rules. One dude is carefully considering playing TS, but hasn't even started collecting models and paints nothing himself, so that could still take a year or two.

But would just go to business as usual : outmanouvre with scout or infiltrate, cripple the key units and then fuck shit up.

>>51735361

I don't care how cheesy they are, I just want to termie spam. I can't termie spam in 40k because termies suck and I can do termie spam better with TS than with IF.

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>>51735361
>Nobody here actually plays Yiffs
Implying.

>>51735335
Carpal cancer.

>>51735447
>Carpal cancer.
Wrist cancer? google isn't telling me much

>>51735277

>Hey guys what's up, didnt expect you to drop b...

>HEY

>>51733087
>WE WUZ KANGSTODES N SHIT

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>>51733936

Eyes are easy, though

>t night lords

>Looking at Resin Crack
>Notice Rubio costs MORE THAN Sevrin Loth + Honor Guard

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>>51733936
Eyes are super easy if you use the right technique

>>51735638
Well he is an obese marine, so there's probably an equal amount of resin going into that fat belly as into the honour guard

>>51735692
In really bad cases you can even just paint the whole head/helmet in the eye colour of your choice and just paint around the eyes.

>>51735692
Crawling in your skin isn't a technique, anon, and it never will be.

>>51735157
How do you do that red?

>Sekhmets can actually roll on other tables as well
>not only they can take hilarious efficient Levitation/Objuration Mechanicum combo
>but they can roll for Iron Arm/Warp Speed/FnP+EW
>or fucking Precog on their 3++

At least they won't be harnessing those on 3+, but that's still bullshit.

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Anyone know how the Custodes size is compared to a FW primarch? Pics would be great.

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Who are the biggest dickheads in the horus heresy?

My vote goes to either Fulgrim, Eidolon or Alpharius.

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>>51735638
But look at Rubios amazing base tho, it rocks!

>>51736034
erebus
no question

kor phaeron would be close but he doesn't do as much

>>51736016
>Black Primer
>Leadbelcher spray, leaving a bit of the underside black
>Vallejo liquid silver, airbrushed zenithal highlight
>3 thin layers of tamiya clear red, thinned with alchohol

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>>51736034
Eidolon's definitely the most thicc. Just look at that chunky torso, and those thunder-greaves.

Also,
>tfw no erebus

>>51736067
Erebus is a good pick yeah, what an asshole. Doesn't Horus beat him/tear his face off in one of the later HH books? Erebus was talking shit and got put in this place.

>>51736045
Literally the best part of the model. The rest is just Israel Gonzalez doing his routine rape of Space Marine proportions.

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Still want to add small links and bolts on the torso cover-up, but I think he's well on his way to being saved from the botch-job younger me did to him.

When it comes to a siege breaker consul, would to keep him simple or deck him out? Mostly I'm trying to choose what he'll have in his other hand. Keep it cheap with a bolt pistol or go for a combi-melta maybe?

>>51736099
Yeah, Deliverance Lost, I think. Tore off his face.

>>51736094
Best captain model hands down

>>51736121
>>51736099
Fear to Tread actually.

>>51736018
Let's not forget that they can't be pinned so they don't give a shit about legion's downside as well.

>>51736114
Not giving him anything to capitalise on his Tank Hunters and Wrecker is a waste in my opinion. It's just an opinion though, not experience.

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>>51733936
Eyes are worth the effort always.

Which rule book/s can I find the Zone Mortalis rules in?

Are they the same for both 40 and 30k?

>>51736260
>lightning claw loincloth
wat

>>51735410
he meant in his local meta

and why have you summoned me?

>>51734809
It's not uncommon that a divison of a company will try to screw over another division that makes them look bad.

>>51734901
Death guard and salamanders do quite well out of assault marines and land speeders by dint of Move Through Cover.

In a similar vein, raven guard can get decent use out of breachers by infiltrating them into grav gun range.

>>51736114
Combi Melta seems thematic, I'd consider giving him a backpack with antenna, and some bleep bloops

>>51736260
That's some TRON highlighting right there.

>>51736018
I think the guaranteeing your powers is better then risking a roll on another discipline. However risking it on Biomancy could be hilarious so I dont know.

>>51736704
Precog on plasma 3++ squad would be just nasty.

I guess that you'd only risk if you have more than two squads that took standard stuff.

>>51736260
Diorama anon?
Also that salamander is pretty racist

>>51734901
Not broken or even super effective, but I like running a double Volkite UM moritat in low point games to cause some extra unexpected damage.

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>>51735121
>Does your First Captain grow envious of Ahriman?
>implying

>>51736985
... Is it wrong to have the opinion that 40k Ahriman is way stronger than 30k Ahriman ?

>>51737024
>Ahriman after 10k years of nerding out and grinding his 'zard levels ends up stronger
No, it makes perfect sense. The real question is why 40k Magnus ain't shit compared to 30k Magnus.

>>51737024
No, it's not.
A Censure Host has been already dispatched to your location in order to bring you tu justice.
If you can, try aiding their arrival and tell no one.

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>>51737024
Srry, this just in.
Orders have been changed.
Horus told us to kill you.

>>51735121
I look forward to beating Lorgar, Erebus and Ahriman simultaneously with the all powerful BS5 rapid fire FotL.

>>51733121
There is Secutarii in Inferno

>>51734693

Am I imagining things, or does the Lion have facial hair there? It's most likely fan art anyway but I'd reckon he'd suit beardyness, both as a wild man who spent his formative years battling trees, and to go with the DA's general olde worlde medieval feel.

I have no idea how FW is going to do Sanguinius' ringlets without making him look ten times faggier than post-Slaanesh Fulgrim though. InB4 Sanguinius is supposed to be ten time faggier than post-Slaanesh Fulgrim.

So Secutarii
do they change anything for mechanicum at all or are thralls just going to continue being the go to troops?

Anyone have any issues with the Drop Pod to Dreadclaw conversion?

Hey anons, anyone has the epub or glorious pdf of betrayer? (not FW's betrayal) Im getting into the fluff but that book is hard to find

>>51737192
Not hugely, although Hoplites are now the goto "Suicide Drop in Arvus Lighter! unit because they're way cheaper and pack more firepower than Secutors, and have Cover -1.

Peltasts with Radium Carbines is probably best for them, get them over Thralls if you have some spare points because they're very shooty. That's about it, although Thralls will probably remain the goto unless there's a Titan around to buff the Secutarii and make them compulsory, because fearless is good. New tank is pretty useless because it's AP4 and half again the cost of a Krios Venator, despite packing less firepower that's helpful in Warhammer 3+k. Shame, it looks awesome.

>>51734638
I don't think they can. While the point of origin is the Castellax, the caster is still the psyker, which is in combat - and thus cannot cast witchfires.

Now, the opposite I believe it's ok. Send Castellax away, hold something dangerous in melee and cast witchfires from the Castellax (only beams and novas can hit the unit locked in combat, though)

>>51734848
Sadly, I guess it won't arrive in time. Pre-orders will only start this Friday, meaning the books won't be sent until another Friday...

Don't you have any trustworthy friend in your university to scan for us?

Also, thanks for all your previous work!

>>51735121
>preparing to face SW and TS
My friend, I AM the TS player around.
My other fella will play IF + Custodes. Any tips in how to deal with them?

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>>51737187
King Arthur did have facial hair, didn't he? :^)
>the spoiler
Well, what can I say.
The EC may have been Fulgrim's Dandies, but the BA are the Emperor's Pretty marines.
With or without polished armour

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>>51737272

That's not my King Arthur. This is my King Arthur.

>>51737192
>bring titan
>reductor aren't forced into two thallax squads and a jumppackless magos

>>51737218
Check 40k general OP links, I'm certain it's there as it's my go-to since the one in /hhg/ OP DOES NOT FUCKING WORK

>>51737232
I was thinking 2 squads of 6 thallax, and then 2 squads of 15 peltasts in triarii to fill out the troops slots for mechanicum, that sound workable or just straight up shitty?
what trait would you think be the most useful one on an axiarch?
>>51737294
>bringing a titan
>still wanting to have friends at the same time
does not compute

>>51737326
I wouldn't mind playing against a Warhound anon.

>>51737343
>tfw the lucius pattern warhound isn't available anymore
that's really the main reason I don't own one
I just want a Lucius warhound with 2 inferno guns from a page out of one of the imperial armour books, burninating a city

>>51737235
>Now, the opposite I believe it's ok.
Not that Anon but why? Reading the rule it says 'use the Castellax as the origin of the power' so if its in combat it cannot shoot?

Thats how I read it anyway.

>>51737326
Possibly want Thallax squads of 3 and Peltast squads of 20, Thallax have more value as fast objective holders and the extra bodies don't help much with their firepower. Peltasts do better at max unit size because you want to stave off losing shield bonuses as long as possible. For the last troop slot, I'd suggest a squad of 10-12 Hoplites in an Arvus Lighter (with either twinlinked Autocannon or Multilaser), for using as drop pod suicide killing on Knights and Baneblades and such, 8.33 HP on anything not a Titan. Also can be deepstrikes/dropped onto ruins and such and not mishap, because Walkers in Ruin. Otherwise looks good.

For the Axiarch, probably FnP 5+ if you have a Titan, because 5+ rerollable FnP and 4+ armour rerolling ones while taking shooting at -1S is tougher than Marines. If no Titan, it's about equivalent, so pick either PE:Infantry or FnP 5+, it's about even. It's a per-game pick, so you can decide based on opponent's list.

If you want the Axiarch to go with a Hoplite unit, give him an Arc Pistol, because it's 10pts cheaper than the Arc Lance + Shield, and has his shooting and melee at +1S compared to it. Only thing you lose is Defensive Grenades, which is conferred to the unit by the Hoplites anyway.

>>51737476
I was thinking with the thallax having 2 special weapons would make them worth the while instead of just a meh speed bump unit

>>51732486
Will the rules for The Emperor incorporate his cold-hearted manipulation of the Primarchs?

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>>51734848
>>51737247
>scans

>>51737539
No, because that isn't canon, like how the rules for Russ don't lose to Alpharius.

>>51737555

>Not slashing the spine and killing a $150 book to satisfy some neckbeards on /tg/

>>51737535
Thing is, there's much better things to dump 135 points into than attempting to make your tough, fast and useful mandatory troops killy as well, they have 9 wounds default and will speedbump pretty well anyway, use them for jumping on objectives and harassing backline squads and artillery, they do fine against crew and such with S5 and T5 base. Don't try to make them a ranged threat, they really aren't.

Buy most of a Krios or a Medusa, or an entire Triaros with way more firepower and is scoring in Matrix of Ruin instead. Per squad, too, so you're wasting 270 points on adding slight extra firepower to a squad that doesn't need it. Buy most of a Knight Gallant, a kitted out Archmagos or an entire squadron of Vindicators instead.

>>51734901
Ultramarines Orbital Assault
>Guilliman addressing his Commanders
>You will be the first wave just launched in there
>And remember to let the Drops Pods shoot first, they know best as I programmed them

>>51736457
i saw a bone skirt in a museum in a section about tribes (specifically about cannibal tribes of the pacific Islands). It was made from sharpened human leg bones, and designs had been carved into them.

Unfortunately it didn't translate to well to the 28mm scale.

>>51737207
Yeah, it looks fucking awful and it's noticeably smaller

Did the Davinite Priest model ever get rules? I love the idea of Agents of The Warmaster/Imperium, and kinda wishing we had a little more variety, like the ability to take a single Sister or Custodes or Gal Vorbak or something with a squad. Specifically a Davinite priest would be great fluff for the EC/SoH Hunter Killer Mission Shattered Legion list I'd like to run.

>>51737598
never really looked at it like that
I'm gonna cobble together a list and see what I can come up with
please /hhg/, grant me the strength to not spam krios and medusae

>>51736018
Do you really think Objuration Mechanicum is a good power?

I'm genuinely asking, because I don't see how a few gets hot or a single haywire accomplishes much.

>>51736045
He's really actually obese. Damn, that much stomach.

>>51737699
>grant me the strength to not spam krios and medusae
Ok, we'll up your points cost by 5 and raise you S stat by 1.

>>51737747
You throw it at vehicle squadrons and/or at enemies with lots of shots. Your enemy will think twice before executing FotL when their bolters have Gets Hot...

>>51737786
Hmm. Is that better than, say, Molten Beam?

I mean if the opponent has Land Raiders and Spartans I guess it does seem better.

Assuming you are not starved for warp charges.

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>>51736873
How is it racist? It's a GW bit.

They very clearly put an africanised face in their to use with the Salamander shoulder.

If your concern is that he's brown instead of pitch black then that's stupid because pitch black armour and skin would look bad, like he's wearing a death mask or tiny head shaped helmet.

>>51737688
Yes. there's a PDF on forgeworld for them

>>51737370
Can't you just order a recast Lucius titan? It's not bed, some old grognard in my meta has the recast one from Z.

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>>51735121
>Does your Primarch fear Russ' gear?
Nope.

>>51737281
>second to worst girl
Nigga if she didn't have glorious blue/gold color scheme she'd even be worse than Sakura

Also, rate my list:

Ultramarines : Logos Lectora +++ 1250/1250

=== HQ ===

Centurion : Legatine Axe, Artificier Armor, Refractor Field, Meltabombs +++ 95

Damocles Rhino +++ 100

=== TROOPS ===

Breacher Squad (10) : 2 Grav Guns +++ 230

Tactical Squad (10) +++ 125
Rhino +++ 35

Tactical Squad (10) +++ 125
Rhino +++ 35

=== HEAVY SUPPORT ===

Land Raider Phobos (1) +++ 225

Heavy Support Squad (5) : Nuncio-Vox, Augury Scanner, 4 Missile Launchers +++ 160

Vindicator (1) +++ 120

>>51735121
>Does your Primarch fear Russ' gear?
Does Russ fear 20 lascannons and 160 bolters?
Probably not, I imagine.

>>51737747
It's solid. You throw two dice, you shave off a hull point from virtually anything from 24" away, plus. It is decent way to deal with fliers/AV14, especially if you have three or four units so you can just make vehicle gone.

And you get Get's Hot! on top of that, which is a neat bonus.

>>51737852
Centurion footslogging by himself/10

>>51737852
Centurion doesn't have MotL so your list is illegal.
Master of Signal fits better in your list instead of Damocles Rhino. He can buff HSS.
Change Phobos to Proteus, either as is or with TLLC.

>>51737874
Oh fuck, Phobos only transports 10.
god fucking damnit

>>51737878
>Centurion doesn't have MotL so your list is illegal.
Fuck

Second Attempt

Ultramarines : Logos Lectora +++ 1250

=== HQ ===

Centurion Delegatus : Mastercrafted Legatine Axe, Artificier Armor, Refractor Field, Meltabombs +++ 110

Command Squad (3) : 2 Power Weapons, 2 Combat Shields +++ 105
Land Raider Proteus +++ 180

Centurion Master of Signals +++ 95

=== TROOPS ===

Tactical Squad (10) +++ 125
Rhino +++ 35

Tactical Squad (10) +++ 125
Rhino +++ 35

Tactical Squad (10) +++ 125
Rhino +++ 35

=== HEAVY SUPPORT ===

Heavy Support Squad (5) : Nuncio-Vox, Augury Scanner, 4 Missile Launchers +++ 160

Vindicator (1) +++ 120

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I could use a bit of advice. I've finally got round to hacking up the chaplain from BaC into something more useful, so I'm making an AL saboteur out of him. The left hand is magnetised, so I can swap out power weapons if I want to (as per the image on the right), but as a default option I was building some space-binoculars for him, does that sound like it makes sense? They need a lens or two on the front, and some eyepieces on the back to finish them off. Backpack will be magnetised so I can swap in a jump pack (once I get my mitts on a MkIV one), and the combi-melta and meltabomb are permanent fixtures. Any comments, anything I can do to make him more saboteur-y?

>>51737924
>space-binoculars for him, does that sound like it makes sense?
Not really, marine eyes do the job already.
On the other hand there's a lot of helmets covered with optics so whatever.

>>51737924
Is he going to throw an alarm clock at them? :p

>>51737946
>>51737960

That's what I'm wondering, now I've got this far it's feeling a bit clunky. Another option I was thinking of was converting one of those bolter-reloading hands holding a magazine into a handheld detonator, mostly by adding an aerial sticking out of the top, and some wires coming out from the bottom.

>>51733913
>Now if they printed the wrong version

Not the anon you were replying to, but this is my worry with any of the weird rules stuff. With how many mistakes they've made this book I wouldn't be surprised if they messed this one up. If it was the only weird wording I'd just accept the can choose powers from the two or roll on the others.

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>>51737946
>marines don't use binoculars

>>51738070
>one lens
That's a monocular.

>>51734733
>necrons leaving flesh wounds
?

>>51738127
But he's using both eyes. So it's a biocular.

>>51737798
It has two things going for it. First is reliability - with two dice harnessing on 3+ you have 1/9 chance to fail to manifest, and then 1/6 chance to fail to strip a hull point.

Second if the cost. Fact that you can get away with only two dice means that chance of perils is minimal, and since Sekhmets are ML2, they essentially generate required dice for themselves, especially if they are not using Levitation that turn.

In the end, it's just extremely cost efficient to cover up your weaknesses, which is to say units that can't be spammed to death with plasma.

>>51738159
>sons of horse in charge of understanding technology

>>51738070
Looks more like a video camera.

>>51738188
>Dashcam

>>51738153
a blade is still a blade

>>51735157
I like the standard bearer happily waving to whoever is offscreen.

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>>51737910
No more criticism?

>>51738322
Why does your sarge screw around with gear your MoS is handling?

What can I do with my Siegebreaker to make him stand out a bit more? Looks quite plain and not much like an HQ

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>>51738421
Forgot the fucking photo, fucking phoneposting

>>51738322
1250 isn't a list with a lot of room for big obvious powergaps.

Your new list doesn't have anything glaringly sub-optimal in it either.

I'd also say that grav guns on slogging breachers or charging breachers is generally not optimal either.

>>51738428
give him a dynamic base? or a cape greenstuff skills permitting...

Building an Dangles Ironwing Protocol list for my first game in 30k and I'm stuck on a decision. Should I put my Delegatus in a squad of 9 veterans with volkite serpentas or a support squad with volkite chargers to take advantage of Exterminator rule which is +1 wounds to certain weapons under strength 5 within 12 inches, both volkite options meet that requirement.

The game is going to be 1500 points and I can't justify bringing in a command squad kitted out and I never took a liking to termies.

Which ever squad he'd be in will more than likely get stuck in melee more so and my tactical squads so I'd like them to have a little bite. Veterans can take weaponmasters for the +1 ws which combined with serpentas should be able to deal with a lot of infantry types. I could add power axes to melt termies but that's a big point sink. On the other hand the support squad could grab ccw's and the sarge could take a combi-grenade launcher with a stasis round to drop any ws 5 units to 4 so my delegatus and friends hit on 3's in melee.

Over all the points are about equal if I take a single power weapon in the veteran squad and I wouldn't have to rely on a stasis grenade hitting to deal with melee dedicated troops but the volkite chargers seem so much more viable over all.

Any input on the matter would be very helpful.

>>51733704

That's not what that may is for.

the rules elsewhere (like the dreadnaught where such a may would be redundant if the rules weren't trying to restrict you from generating elsewhere) make it very much clear where you can get the powers from.

You can get powers from Pyromancy or Telekinesis, you can choose which powers you get, but you cannot generate elsewhere.

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>>51738421
>Looks quite plain and not much like an HQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o1r9uUDmoM

>>51738428
He looks HQ-ish.

Make him look more metallic than other marines?
I like that DG torso because it looks like a Leviathan dreadnought torso. Perhaps if you try and capture that look on him it'd make him look powerful.

>>51738214
For insurance purposes, ofcourse.

>>51738412
So he can get an augury array.

>>51738444
I have no Breachers in the second list.

>>51738612
>I have no Breachers in the second list.
Sure, I was just saying it to have something to say.

>>51738612
>So he can get an augury array.
Which a MoS already carries.

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>>51738625
Am I missing something?

>>51738621
So... how's the weather?

>>51738641
Look up a cognis-signum.

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>>51738641
Cognis-signum does what an augury array does, except it has added effects.

>>51738654
Cloudy with a chance of phosphex.

>>51738657
>>51738659
Oh fuck me you're right. Why the fuck aren't the rules and fluff formatted differently or something? I honestly wouldn't have found this within a year.

>Cloudy with a chance of phosphex.
That's nice. How are the kids doing?

>>51738675
>That's nice. How are the kids doing?
They blow up so fast.

>>51737910
At that low of points I would stick with the heavy weapon support's sergeant dropping the missile launcher for an augury if you're expecting to come against any air units. To bad missile launchers suck, but at least they're versatile.

If it were my list I'd drop the heavy support squad or another vindicator, just my preference.

I also don't think you're delegatus/command squad deserve a land raider, seems like a lot of points on something that's going to be murdered against anything ccw orientated. You could drop the land raider and stick them in a damocles command rhino for another bombardment.

>>51738724
>missile launchers suck
You take that back!

>>51738735
They're alright, for 5 points esspecially, but I really can't see why they'd be picked over autocannons or volkites. They can't deal with heavy armor and to few shots to really deal with infantry.

>>51738768
Autocannons and Volkite aren't AP3 against marines and blasts against hordes.
>his HWS aren't Tank Hunters

Can I buy a command squad for a master of armour?

>>51737555
You can get a secondhand flatbed scanner for 10 quid easily

>>51738450
I'd pick the volkite chargers, the tactical support squad will cost 195 with them, close combat blades, and a combi-stasis launcher. The veterans will cost 183 with just the serpentas. If you're really strapped for points I'd run with the support squad.

>>51738793
What do you think of lascannon squads, fellow Fist?

>>51738793
Shit you're right, I run IF and I keep forgetting that it's a special for them. I just never had good experiences with them in general while on paper they seem a good choice.

>>51738857
Expensive as fuck but will get the job done better than a lot of shit. I usually purchase a fortification for them because they will draw a lot of fire.

>>51738857
Never used them, but they look good.

>>51738428
looks cool. I would leave it as it is. Maybe give him the scythes as the mark of mortarions favor.

>>51738929
by that I mean the painted on ones like in the HH books.

>>51738724
Vindicators don't profit from my LA rules though. Although changing to Autocannons might be better.

>I also don't think you're delegatus/command squad deserve a land raider, seems like a lot of points on something that's going to be murdered against anything ccw orientated. You could drop the land raider and stick them in a damocles command rhino for another bombardment.
Huh. Are dedicated transports allowed to carry units other than the one that purchased them at the start of the game? Because if yes I could upgrade them to invictarii and stick them in a rhino bought for the heavy support squad.

>>51739045
You don't have to build a list only out of stuff that gets legion bonuses you know. Most 30k lists I've seen include stuff that doesn't get any extra bonuses.

>>51739069
I like Infantry though.

>>51739045
>>51738724
Ok, why the fuck can't I just purchase a single Rhino without a squad to go with it, this is bullshit.

>>51739080
Fair enough.

>>51739100
>Ok, why the fuck can't I just purchase a single Rhino without a squad to go with it, this is bullshit.
What squad do you want to put in them again?

Also remember Rhinos don't allow you to charge after disembarking them, that's what Land Raiders are for.

>>51739100
That's why I suggested the command rhino, you could stick your dudes in their instead of the land raider. The extra bombardment is excellent at low points games.

As >>51739131 said, since you can't assault them out of a rhino you might as well drop the command squad in favor of a support or vet squadron to get all the dakka you can.

>>51739131
>What squad do you want to put in them again?
I would have taken an Invictarus Squad instead, but they can only get land raiders and these are just too expensive

>>51739153
>>51739131
>>51739126
>>51739100

Ultramarines : Logos Lectora +++ 1250

=== HQ ===

Centurion Delegatus : Mastercrafted Legatine Axe, Artificier Armor, Refractor Field, Meltabombs +++ 110

Command Squad (3) : 3 Power Weapons +++ 105
Damocles Rhino +++ 100

Centurion Master of Signals : Artificier Armor +++ 105

=== TROOPS ===

Tactical Squad (10) : Artificier Armor, Vexilla +++ 145
Rhino +++ 35

Tactical Squad (10) : Artificier Armor, Vexilla +++ 145
Rhino +++ 35

Tactical Squad (10) : Artificier Armor, Vexilla +++ 145
Rhino +++ 35

=== HEAVY SUPPORT ===

Heavy Support Squad (5) : 5 Autocannons +++ 160

Vindicator (1) : Laser Destroyer Array +++ 130

>>51739158
I'm liking it. That's a lot of bodies for the list points, a little light on the anti armor but if the vindicator last a few rounds he'd mess things up.

>>51739158

Why are you targeting 1250 specifically? It's a very low number for HH and makes it difficult to take much beyond the absolute basics.

>>51739230
I prefer small games as they aren't as dominated by big centerpiece toys and allows the humble tacticals to shine. Also it forces you to take unusual units (like the command squad, which I've never seen fielded fucking anywhere)

>>51739208
I could probably squeeze in some melta bombs on the tactical sergeants.

>>51739257
My thoughts exactly, dreads will probably fuck your tacts up since your vindicator can't move and shoot.

>>51739257
>like the command squad, which I've never seen fielded fucking anywhere
Bike and Jetbike Command Squads are fairly common among the armies that want to go fast and hit stuff

>>51737044
Daemon Juice, anon. Never go full Daemon.

>>51734901

Alpha Legion Orbital Assault with Dynat.

>Yeah, we could infiltrate down there and set up some firing positions, but nah, let's just drop in blindly and fuck shit up in melee.

Really torn between laser rapiers and quad launchers. Got room for one unit, but can't decide which ones to take.

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>>51737044
>30k Magnus always described as having a staff
>FW rules say he has a force axe
>mfw

One job FW. One. Job.

>>51739286
Ultramarines : Logos Lectora +++ 1250

=== HQ ===

Centurion Delegatus : Mastercrafted Legatine Axe, Artificier Armor, Refractor Field, Meltabombs +++ 110

Command Squad (3) : 3 Power Weapons +++ 105
Damocles Rhino +++ 100

Centurion Master of Signals +++ 95

=== TROOPS ===

Tactical Squad (10) : Artificier Armor, Melta Bomb, Vexilla +++ 150
Rhino +++ 35

Tactical Squad (10) : Artificier Armor, Melta Bomb, Vexilla +++ 150
Rhino +++ 35

Tactical Squad (10) : Artificier Armor, Melta Bomb, Vexilla +++ 150
Rhino +++ 35

=== HEAVY SUPPORT ===

Heavy Support Squad (5) : Nuncio-Vox, 4 Autocannons +++ 155

Vindicator (1) : Laser Destroyer Array +++ 130

>>51739310
Forgot about Bikes, you're right

>>51739454
Quad launchers are the most versitile and reliable choice, but can only tickle AV 14 and not even do anything if Flareshit

Laser rapiers usually take longer to kill vehicles through hullpoints, but don't cost all that many points and with AP 1 can get that Explodes! result.

>>51739494
>Flareshit

LaughingKrios.gif

>>51737570

D-did Alphy beat Russ?

>>51739515
It's flarekino actually.

>>51739535
The better question would be who didn't beat Russ :^)

My local cults and militia player likes to get big blobs of infantry. This makes my chainaxe inductii very happy.

He also takes survivors of the dark age with abhuman helots and medics for T4 3+/5+++. This makes my chainaxe inductii very unhappy. They still beat them ofc but those little bastards are surprisingly resilient.

>>51739662
Sanguinius, because he's too nice to beat a dog.

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>tfw your order of custodes are coming today

GOLD IS FOR well painted, fluffy playstyles.

>>51739662
What did Inferno say about the Magnus vs Russ duel?

>>51739494
Lasers do feel nice for non-Spartans. Re-roll to hit, 2D6 and pick the best for AP and +2 on the damage chart.

>>51739750
Depends which edition you got. There was one for loyalist players in which russ just demolishes magnus. The other edition for traitor players has russ, valador, krole, and a load of other stuff fighting magnus at the same time, and they only win by cheating with a fake-surrender-backstab after magnus kicks their asses.

Before this ends up on BOLS I'd like to make it clear this is bullshit that I've just made up.

>>51739674

That sounds rad as hell. Nice to read of a meta that isn't just people complaining about phosphex quad launchers & spartan spam.

>>51736018

No they can't.

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What book am I looking for Cults and Militia in?

Also, models from pic related with a heaping helping of chaos icons to represent Davinites, yea or nay?

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>>51739894
Think they can, unfortunately.

>>51739894
Explain your reasoning.

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>Read this
>Leman Russ is knocked out by the Lion
>Not once but twice

Dogfuckers mad?

>>51739411
Fluffy enough if you consider extensive preparation, a field scouted out by human infiltrators (not currently present to let the Marines handle things) etc. You can make almost any engagement fluffy for any legion, especially the Alpha Legion with Mutable Tactics being a thing.

>>51739987
>New BL novel is skub
Surprising stuff.

So is the Horus Heresy attitude towards flyers similar to the 40k one, where they're a massive dick move because anti-air is very selective so they're hard to deal with? I want to have some Baskilion Astra help for my Genetors so I can make some airships, so a Lightning or two and an Arvus for a Haywire drop. I can't find much AA at all in my list. Would that be too many flyers?

I can't find the Guilliman Novel in any of the Mega Links? Haven't found it in Rho Mu's.

>>51740041
are the megas even updated? I don't think they are

>>51740030
They aren't hard to deal with, everybody and their mother seems to have '2 kheres contemptors' in their list. AA is pretty balanced by virtue of AV12 being pretty easy to crack.

>>51740057
New BL books seem to appear in rho mu's folder pretty shortly after coming out.

>>51739862
We're supposedly rather different than most metas. Only one guy runs a spartan, and he just started 30k because inferno (wolves). I use the fuck out of the kharybdis and assault marine blobs, our DG puts everything in rhinos, the aforementioned cults, a custodes/IF/Mechanicum player. Nobody really uses any superheavies, phosphex appears sometimes but in like 1 unit per list (although legion players, myself included, will occasionally take a Primarch, but only at 2500+). Absolutely 0 flyers, too, which is interesting. Not even an occasional appearance, even though all of us play 40k as well and use plenty there. Just 0. It's pretty nice.

>>51739987
Not at all, Lion having the best punch of all the Primarchs has been canon for years. Now that we have the fisting out of the way we can get to the part where they buddy cop up and wreck anyone who gets between them and Terra.

>>51740030
>where they're a massive dick move because anti-air is very selective

No, all legions have access to Mortis Dreads and Deredeos that rape flyers into submission. Are flyers good? They're great, FW builds them deadly but expensive and frail which means they are easy to counter but will wreck your shit if they are able.

>>51739958
God Inferno is a fucking mess.

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What's the consensus on the classic Defiler to Knight conversion in 30k?

Yay or nay?

>>51740127
If you bulked it up a little it would look great, and plasticard is only like 5 bucks.

>>51739465
If you put a blade on a staff, it can be used as an axe anon.

Until force spear becomes a wargear, that's what you are getting.

>>51740061
>>51740108

OK, nice. As far as I can tell the Lightnings come on from reserve, throw 4 BS5 Chainfists at something dangerous, then laugh as they are shredded by Kheres cannons because they've already won. Seems like something I need, since the rest of my Reductor list isn't much suited for AV14 Flare Shield save some Myrmidons, but I want them killing Terminators and such.

Also, they're controlled by servitors, so I don't have to feel bad about throwing them into suicide runs.

>>51740127
Looks like a cerastus knight and a way better use of the kit than making a defiler.

>>51740127
Those have skipped leg day, arm day, core day and, er, weaponry day. Really don't look good I'm afraid.

>>51739984

The tag for the brotherhood of psykers tells you what they can take, and overrides the Prosperine Lore rule, this is obvious from the fact that they clarify for the Khenetai Blade Occult even though they otherwise wouldn't need to.

>>51740205
>'May choose from'
As opposed to 'must generate from' in the case of Ahriman. Seems clear cut to me.

>>51740154

You're playing Mechanicum?

Have you heard of our lord and saviour Vulturax?

>>51740244

Yeah.

"May choose from x or y"

doesn't mean you get to take z.

it's BASIC FUCKING ENGLISH, get some fucking education you mongloid fuck.

- signed, The UK.

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>>51738428
Give him the nuncio-vox

>>51740260
Looked at them, I can see they're nice, but I can buff the Kraken missiles with a Magos Reductor and give them IWND with an Archimandrite.
Vulturax means I have to take a Dominus to keep them in line as far as I can see, unless I'm missing something. What's the big shiny thing about them compared to the fighters, other than the model being so cute? I would quite like one.

>>51740278
If it had said 'must choose its powers from' you'd be right. But it doesnt it says 'may choose its powers from' with another rules stating they have access to all powers.

So please REEEE harder.

>>51740278
I didn't know you were the Queen.

And I thought SWfags were bad enough when it came to comprehending rules...

>>51740278
>>51740318

Somebody post a screengrab of the unit entry.

>>51735010
>listen here you little shit

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>>51740357

>>51740356
There's nothing to comprehend, it's just clearly written.

But please, do REEE harder until the FAQs come

>>51740373
So you can CHOOSE from those disciplines or roll on others.

>>51740133
>>51740155
>>51740160

I think they need a bit of work, but I don't hate the look, sort of like knights without plating.

>>51740127
One on the left looks fantastic, one on the right looks a little lanky.

>>51740373

Seems pretty cast iron that it can choose its powers from the Telekenisis or Pyromancy disciplines. Choose rather than generate, but from those disciplines only. 30/40k is a permissive ruleset, and unit rules override faction rules. Without an additional part to that sentence saying 'or generate its powers from any other discipline', then it's limited to those two.

Is blood angels the least played legion?

>>51740278
>Tells someone to 'get an education'
>gets schooled in the reply
I laughed.

>>51740428

I'm making BA. You seem to find quite a few examples of them online too. The problem they have is that their playstyle requires a lot of expensive FW assault marines, and their rules are a long way out, making them a less attractive prospect. Similar to the problems faced by WS and their bikes.

>>51740428
WS most definitely despite being very good.

>>51740450
At least you find cheap BA players going ass cannon gunline route.

WS need biikes and hover bikes so badly in their army that most people don't start.

>>51740416
>Rule states all TSon psykers have access to all the disciplines bar malefic
>Other rule state the MAY choose, not MUST choose from two certain disciplines
>People think this means they cant generate powers from the others normal because???

>>51740480
Autists screaming about the use of GW bikes definitely don't help.

>>51738428
Nunxio vox

>>51739935
>yea or nay?
Seems like a yea, though I'm not sure the look of Davinites has much to go on in terms of models, and from what I know of them, they're somewhat lanky?

>>51740481
Not that guy, but it depends if you read "may" as given permission or offered possibility.

Inferno is a fucking shitshow that needs to be FAQ'd really damn hard.

Are combi-flamer marksman vets any good? Should all have combi-flamers, or should one or two have ordinary flamers?

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>>51740416
>and unit rules override faction rules
Let's have a page number from the 40k rulebook for that, because I think you just made it up. All the rulebook says (afaik) is pic related, but both the Prosperine Lore rule and the Sekmet's rule are Advanced rules in the Army List Entries, so there's no preference given as neither is a Basic rule.

>>51736110
I'm kind of glad he's no longer doing stuff for FW.

I mean sure, thanks Israel for the Achean upgrade packs.

But no thanks for the Contemptor. Thankfully P-Man took over.

>>51740828

Sniper only synergies with weapons that roll to hit, so flamers don't get any benefit from marksmen vets. Would probably go with Combi so you can have the bolter component for sniping and still keep the flamer component for flaming.

>>51740850
Who's P-man?

Give me the quick rundown on the guys who make the models.

>>51740884
I can't remember his full name. Pedro maybe? He's behind all of the new TS stuff.

>>51740828
>>51740862
I dont know about you, but I don't give a fuck about the "precision shot" part of the Sniper rule. It's the 4+ to always wound and AP2 on 6 is what I'm picking marksman for.

You could just take a heavy flamer for 5 pts more than a flamer. I've had some good use of those in ZM games (especially against the fucking AdMech), gotta love shred+sniper.

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>>51740862
>>51740828
Since I've got the rulebook open...

>>51740862
Sniper still gives the flamers 4+ to wound and rending. Sniper flamers are the WAAC option.

In fact, the only thing Sniper does with rolls to hit is Precision Shots.

>>51740918
>>51740928
>>51740934

my mistake

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>>51740918
>>51740928
>>51740934

Anyone ever use the "Lord of War extra uses" box to bring anything cool? I can see the Baneblade variants seeing some use, anyone used the Sub-Orbital Strike Wing for planes, or taken a bunch of other toys?

>>51740918
The drawback with heavy flamer is that a flamer and the flamer part of a combi-flamer shoot simultaneously.

I was thinking, a unit of ten in a rhino COULD outflank, clear an objective (or other important territory), take it, and guard it.

They should also be able to, if not outright kill, then atleast dent some custodes, right?

>>51740978
Not sure the current rule on the sub-orbital strike wing, but since you can (can we still?) take flyiers from anywhere, I though taking vultures with the twin linked punshier cannons would be fun

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>>51741150
Yes, you can take flyers from anywhere that isn't already in the army list so no 9 Lightnings. (From the Mechanicum book, anyway.) It doesn't even refer to the other box saying no Heresy-era stuff, so when I get the Filiketos done I can pick the 40k or 30k rules for it. And give it Tank Hunter for 15 points, although that needs a 4060 pt game.

Problem is you may hand over some easy VPs when they die, because of the Price of Failure.

Vultures would be damn shiny, though, as would a Vendetta with tank-hunting Lascannon.