Warhammer 40k general /40kg/

New SoB models were a mistake

why are we moving so slow today

Wooo

>>51727826
Celestine X greyfax cutesy yuri fan art/fiction when?

>>51727854
Failing difficult terrain checks

5th for the Slow and Purposeful apparently

>>51727877
Celestine femdom fan art when?

>>51727849
Am im mistaken or was there actually just one new mini thus far?

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>>51727826

>defilers out of stock

What did GW mean by this?

>>51727920
They're most likely out of stock

>>51727912
They have 3 new models but only one unit

>>51727854
wait for the information from rise of the primarch to start trickling down, you'll miss the slowness

Need a morality check /tg/

>go to tourney
>"tourney" that is very much about fun and most people see it as ten dollars for 3 fun games where everyone's bringing out their best list
>4th wyvern doesn't arrive in the mail by the tourney
>smilingGuardFag.cadia
>run a manticore as one and no one cares
>play "championship" against resident WAACfag who always brings cheese
>I seize with Coteaz
>emperors wrath artilary company rapes eldar jetbike asshole and I kill 10 jetbikes out of 15 and his 2 farseers, one is warlord
>Salt
>he gets very grumpy as he still only narrowly looses against me
>no handshake and leave without saying a word after mumbling about wyverns
>next tourney has a post on FB
>"hey guys we've gotten a complaint about proxying, just wanna remind you your army needs to be almost totally wysiwyg, minor stuff is okay but no major stuff"
>literally just have that wyvern and a monkey from an empire box I use as a psykers because it's funny as proxies, and now I have my real wyvern

He's just petty as fuck right? I'm not in the wrong here in any way, just wanted some other opinions just in case I'm biased

>also any good stories of making WAACfags salty?

>>51728006
He's a fucking crybaby, lol.

Omegon is in the Grey Knights' vault.
Omegon is/was Janus.

>>51728006
I'm kinda new to this 40k stuff.
But what i understand he knew what units those replacements were and got rekt.
Yeah he was in the wrong i guess, unless there's something really important im missing here.

>>51728006
Yeah, pretty petty and he deserves it for playing Eldar.
You should totally run 4 Basilisks instead of Wyverns though.

>>51727880
>When you roll bellow 4 on every move through cover roll in your army all game
>order move move move or whichever makes you run with more dice
>highest roll is 4

Sometimes I wish I could order my commissar to shoot one of the guardsmen just for being lazy

>>51728067
>commissars can issue orders but instead of a leadership check you remove one model for each order

>>51728006
sounds like a sore loser, your proxy was about the same size and fit your list. not like soda cans for drop pods or gorkanauts for wraithknights

even if you had the right models i could see him complaining about formations or something else you did to beat him fair and square

>>51728065
> a formation that doesn't fit a cad cannot be more than 2/5ths of your army in points

Trust me if it wasn't for that house rule at our tourney I would because its such an amazing unit against a lot of armies in that formation

>>51728060
I swear to Christ that's it, I wasn't being a cunt, and I made it very very clear what that unit was because we all know that feel of forgetting another guys proxy and getting fucked by it

>>51728067
My group just houseruled it so that all difficult terrain just cuts movement in half, and move through cover just lets you ignore that.

It always felt like it never even mattered and the roll felt pointless, since unless you rolled a 2 or 3 you usually got where you needed soon enough.

>>51728092
That reminds me, let's fix orders /tg/

>voxs remove range requirement or doubles it
>15 pts per vehical for "vox relay" vehicals can accept orders from tank commanders
>add an order that buffs bs or make first rank second rank apply to all weapons
These all seem good and balanced, any other suggestions?

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>>51728006

>'fun' tourney
>running 4 wyverns

>>51728192
Armies also included
>wolfstars
>ravenwing spam
>skatbike spam
>skyhammer
>wraithknight
>riptide wing

I'm good

>>51728107
I mean run six Basilisks
Two squadrons of three in a regular CAD, leaves you a heavy support slot for a leman russ squadron
Unless you're talking about the artillery company formation, I don't know if that's required to run artillery

>>51728051
Nope Janus it a thousand son it was in a recent novel.

>>51728192
I guess he meant a tourney where everyone knows the level of cheese included

So in update on getting my army back
Friend just sent me some photos of my stuff.
The guy had managed to knock my shitty case I was using off a wardrobe. Was a record case with packing foam because I had spent too much on models and couldn't afford a case back in late 2015

Spine spikes on my heldrake are hanging off, blood crushers with banner has the banner fallen off, bloodthirster has had his axe hand snapped off and both wings have fallen off at the shoulders.
May be other damage but I can't see on the photos.

I'd forgotten I got impatient and put the drake together before finishing painting which is bent

Is decurion considered cheese?

I play at two game stores and was at one for a couple months, the people there are a little more try hard and play more competitive lists but are USUALLY not WAAC, in that time I started necrons and everyone encouraged me to build up to decurion, I just played my first couple games with them a week ago and loved it, love their lore too.

Go to the other game store and start talking to the manager who's my friend and I mention my decurion, and they start making jokes about How I'm running cheese and they mention how I should make sure I'm not just running a neckbeard army

Doesn't decurion just make necrons viable? It's not like they are eldar tier and they kinda suck with just a 5+ reanimate unless you're running something weird

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>>51727826
Celestine, Greyfax, Yvraine sailor moon art when?

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Reminder that in an Eldar update, Orks STILL managed to get shafted.

>>51728191
I think 5 points to roll the shitty leadership on guardsmen when making orders is pretty good, unless I'm missing something

>>51728232
Basilisks in just a cad kinda suck because they don't ignore cover, jetbikes and ravenwing will just jink to their hearts content

>>51728235
Gimme that sauce boy

>>51728316
Is that spell available for everyone
If not, it's not like orks were gonna win against eldar anyway

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>>51728316

RIP IG

>>51728316
Range is only 12" that's what? 20-50 models tops? Assuming he was 1" away and you just piled in the boyz.

>>51728393
Parking lot shows it is once again the master race of guard armies

>>51728327
I would probably run an artillery company with Basilisks if all those vehicles didn't cost so much and were available at my local store. I also kinda wish 40k had more field guns like the old ork big gunz
Like an earthshaker cannon on a towed mount

>>51728355
Last Son of Prospero

>Janus was a being known Ianius. Ianius was a fusion of the Thousand Sons legionnaire Revuel Arvida, and a shard of the Primarch Magnus the Red.

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>>51728432
Sure you can get that from forge world for about $90 each

>>51728422
>It can only kill 50 orks in a single use!

Yeah, big advantage there. Then they walk up 6" and lose 50 more

>>51728458
I meant REAL 40k, not that shit

>>51728316
>>51728393

If someone tried that against me, I'd make them roll all 301 dice at once. Can't hold that many? Don't have that many dice? You don't get that many shots then...

(or alternatively, I'd just not be THAT GUY, and politely decline to play them in the first place)

>>51728474

you're retarded

soulreap is a witchfire with a profile, that means it needs to roll to hit and to wound

if it was shooting at a squad of 60 orks, 50 would hit, 25 would wound and you'd end up with 21 dead orks.

>>51728474
That's like saying Blasts are a direct nrrf to Orks because the Ork player was a tard and kept his Greentide in base to base contact with one another.

In all likelyhood soulreap would GET those 100+ hits but can only kill like 6 Orks. Unless the Ork player failed a charge.

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Whatre you guys working on?

Ive got some Gunna Squigs in the works

>>51728535
>I'd make them roll all 301 dice at once
Can you show me where in the rules it says I have to roll all dice at once and not do batches of however many I want at a time?

>>51727920
Mold accidentally destroyed, no more defilers for you, expect them being unsupported on the new codex.

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>>51728508
>REAL 40k
rofl xD

>>51727960
4 if you include failcast Vyridian that is one time only! Oh wait they are selling?! Mmmm what?!
Guys! They are web store only now!

>>51728535
I know you think you're the cool anti-that-guy that everyone would applaud when you "own" them, but you sound like absolutely the worst person to every play 40k with

>>51728585
Of course not, which is why I said I'd just politely decline to play that person.

That is, assuming I knew beforehand that they were going to get that specific power on the random chart, and be more psyker-y than me.

Also assuming I'm playing blob guard, which I rarely do.

>>51728571
Neat, what are those squig models from??

>>51728614
Not really, I'm just all talk. :)

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>>51728571
Making progress on my canoptek harvest

>what do you guys think about he paint scheme, still needs washing obviously

Why wouldn't you decline to play against eldar at this point anyway?

Umm, okay, I'm a relatively new in 40k (less than a year), and I've played only against GK and smurfs, nids once or twice. So my question is why do eldar get so much flak here?

>>51728704
Played against eldar 3 times a few days ago, had tons of skatbikes and a wraithknight every game and was running the new cheese book, guy was a very good player too

Won 2 out of three games, first one was guard with necron allies, and that was close but I ran off with points

Second he started his army on the board and I seized and killed his warlord and tons of bikes turn one and his wraithknight turn 2 with all guard army, he rolled like shit

3rd game was pure necrons vs pure eldar and he won pretty decidedly, but it wasn't too bad since I was running an all necron list for the first time

Eldar just doesn't bother me and I enjoy the games and the challenge as long as the opponent isn't an insufferable cunt

>I'd say daemons are my least favorite matchup, idk they just annoy me with all their fliers and invulns

>>51728768
Because of their ridiculously OP codex, with a Jump Gargantuan Creature at 290 points and a WS10 BS10 I10 Melee rape machine.

What markings do non-Ultramarines use for their veterans? White helmets won't work on my scheme at all, so I'm trying to figure out alternate options for Sternguard. Using Mk3 or Mk4 armor for them, for what it's worth.

wipg doesn't help.

>>51728784
>thinks the avatar is even close to qualifying as contributing to eldar being broken

You sir have no clue what you're talking about

>>51728654
Mangler Squigs

>>51728795
If they're a Codex chapter, white. It's not just Ultramarines that follow it.

If they're not a codex chapter, go for whatever you feel looks best.

>>51728795
Depends on which chapter
Blood Angels use Gold
Dark Angels have the Deathwing

>You gave us nothing to work with
>What's your scheme
>What's its origins?

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>>51728704
when he pulls out some guardians. my list is rather casual and takes brightlances

>>51728768
eldar are the top book, wraithknights are undercost, D weapons a plenty, wraithlords aren't walkers, almost rending on basic weapons, and they're one of the devs favorite.

>>51728784
>>51728768

It's all about the scatbikes, warlock spam, the big fat D and warp spiders.

Holy shit I just realised
What if GW SAID there's not gonna be an "age of the emperor" because it's gonna be fucking age of Guilliman

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>Aeldari literally so OP no one outside of torneys will play them anymore
Cucked beyond salvation.

>>51728688
Fred?

>>51728856
DESU, Wraithknights and wraithlords would be fucking hard to turn into vehicles without new models. Even the Imperial knight and eldar raider is fucky.

>>51728795
I play Crimson Fists so I use the red hands method. Stripes on helmets or bareheaded sarges work for every chapter. Make it different enough that it'll pop on the table for easy reference, easy enough if they're toting power weapons.

>>51728856
Exactly why I wouldn't play an eldar. Guardians are basically non-existent.
I've never ever seen anyone suggest taking anything except fucking bikes and wraith whatevers when there's all kinds of infantry they could have or cool tanks

>>51728900
Tis he

Necron "Canoptek" units are some of the coolest looking models in the codex and maybe game imo, double harvest lists are a thing and I think it would be a really good looking army to run

>>51728909
>Wraithknights and wraithlords would be fucking hard to turn into vehicles
What are walkers

>>51728768
Because their Codex is far and away the most overpowered in the game by a significant margin, only really challenged by Chaos Daemons with specific builds or space marines with VERY specific builds.

The weakest units in the Eldar Codex are still leagues better than half the units in the lower tier Codices, and their strongest units are literally undercosted by hundreds of points. They have everything - high weight of fire at good ballistic skill with high strength weaponry, access to D weapons, extreme mobility, generally good saves and toughness scores, jink and JSJ, Gargantuans, tons of powerful psychic powers, rending small arms, utterly taxless formations that just hand out hugely powerful benefits for basically free, the list goes on.

>>51728909
The fuck do models have to do with it

>>51728928
He said vehicles not walkers.

>>51728925
I'm so glad to see the spyder I named look so amazing.

>>51728928
>>51728909
Just to add more fuel to the fire because I apparently want to ruin this thread

>what about riptides and stormsurges?

Ah, I see. Thanks for the answers about the eldars, anons.

>>51728928
>Walkers
>Being vehicles

Nice meme.

>>51728950
They can be walkers also

>>51728909
Just make them walkers and be done with it.

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Gaze upon the army and despair.

>>51728856
>wraithlords aren't walkers
Wraithlords/Knights aren't supposed to be Walkers, they aren't machines by any stretch, they're articulated wraithbone puppets animated by ghosts. They have always been MCs and this isn't a problem outside of Wraithknights being retardedly undercosted and the current Super-heavy rules being stupid.

The big Tau suits, on the other hand, is another story entirely, and there's no excuse for Riptides to be MCs instead of Walkers.

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>>51728963
What the fuck?

>>51728963
Anon what the fuck did you do to them?

Someone call the fucking Adeptus Mechanicus, we've got some serious Tech Heresy over here.

>>51728963
is that Rhodesian camo?

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>>51728845
Sorry, I was on mobile and didn't have a photo on hand, tracked down a WIP in my post history.
Renegade chapter in a radical Inquisitor's employ, Welsh naming theme with some knightly aesthetic (more paladins than BT's Templar theme, less overtly holy than Grey Knights).
Almost all of the veterans I'm working on are modeled with a power sword/fist/claw/etc (or at the very least have a chainsword), which helps for distinguishing the models themselves. Just trying to figure out the paint.

>>51728910
Amusingly enough, considering red hands/forearm plates (Tamiya Clear Red, if I can find it cheap) for normie Marines. Bloodborn (natural birth and a much higher density of augmetics to get "up to par") and Steelborn (artificial birth and bred to be candidates), the latter making up almost all of the veterans and the former being most of the scouts/normie marines.

>>51728963
This are some ugly ass models and paintjob.

>>51728952
But really the only way to know is to play them yourself, a lot of 40k stuff needs to be seen not read

what you hear
>bikes are broken and stupid
What you need to experience
>when you have to make 47 saves on a unit from troops choices
>when obsec units can zip around as much as they want and get every objective from movement
>when one of the best psychic armies puts guide, fortune, or invisibility on a bike blob and they become even more powerful

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>>51729003
No tech heresy here.

>>51728991
>maulerfiends aren't walkers
Forgefiends/Maulerfiends aren't supposed to be Walkers, they aren't machines by any stretch, they're articulated warpfofged puppets animated by daemons. They have always been MCs and this isn't a problem outside of Maulrtfiends being retardedly undercosted and the current Super-heavy rules being stupid.

The big Tau suits, on the other hand, is another story entirely, and there's no excuse for Riptides to be MCs instead of Walkers.

>>51729033
That's double tech heresy Anon. Explain yourself.

>>51728795

Choose a color that works for you and paint it like you would with white (whole helmet, single stripe, laurel wreath around helmet). Even if it's not white, if you paint it like the traditional veteran colors would be, people will pick up on it. For example, gold helmets for BA vets.

>>51728963
Ignore the haters anon I think it looks good

>well okay the ones on the far right look derpy but otherwise I think the paint job is solid

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>>51728633
>Accepting games against Ynnari in the first place

>>51729036
So the guys who wrote the Chaos Codex are as retarded as the guys who wrote the Tau Codex.

Fiends should be MCs, Tides/Keels/Surges should be Walkers.

This has no bearing on the fact that wraith constructs were given the correct unit type.

>>51729024
B-but 4chan tells me that the eldar are dumb and gay and all of them are Cheese mongering faglords. Are you telling me that aint true

>>51729033
Overcompensating much?

>>51729063
He's saying the opposite you fucking retard, try some reading comprehension.

He's saying just reading about how broken and cheesy scatbikes are pales in comparison to the actual experience of getting raped by them on the table and realizing exactly why Eldar get so much shit online.

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What are you up to tonight my fine anons? I'm just getting ready to prime then paint some of my new Conscript models and to do anything but homework for college as well. Any games planned or any hobbying you've been doing lads?
Also my friend got a perma ban just for having abuse in his area is there anyway he can make an appeal and win?

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>>51729060
>daemon engines should be MCs
>daemonic possession rule should turn the vehicle into a MC
I'm ok with this actually.

>>51729056
Why is everyone on /tg/ so afraid of a challenge or loosing?

>play against dark eldar/ eldar player for 8 months straight
>never win
>play against him as much as I can
>list is always improving, but he's one step ahead of me and also getting better
>finally win a game
>feeling is orgasmic

Winning unwinnable games or fighting tooth and nail for a victory are one of the reasons I like 40k

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>>51729069
Not at all.
>>51729023
Rip
>>51728995
Shh bby is okay.

>>51729024
I see what you mean. Thanks.
But I don't think I'll get a chance to meet them anytime soon. I think there's noone who plays them in my area

>>51728006
its ok as long as you dont bring a 'real' manticore IMHO

>>51728963
what the FUCK?

>>51729111
Because losing 99% of the time isn't fun.

I don't mind losing, but I want to win SOME of the time.

>>51729118
For what fucking purpose anon

>>51729111

Maybe because people DONT play this game just to be handicapped by default. Having under 50% chance of winning is fine against a computer but this is against some faggot who gets a 90% matchup advantage just because he likes elves or is a net listing faggot

Maybe you like being a cuck and a floormat but don't assume everyone is as fucking beta as you

>>51729111
It's not about that for me so much as it is that my Codex doesn't even properly represent my army. It feels like the Eldar guy is playing Eldar and I'm playing some crappy generic placeholder ruleset from White Dwarf reskinned to look like Tyranids without any of the feel or flavor.

>>51729088
>>51729063
I'm saying people keep spouting memes they hear online about eldar or really anything 40k

But the only way to be able to break down into components what makes a unit/ army good is to play them a lot, and then start to find counters and checks for them

>try it, pick a really good unit, name everything that makes it OP, then try and find a check/counter in your army

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>>51729024
I've never played past turn 1 against Eldar. They either cripple my army so bad that it's impossible to draw (let alone win) or the nastier lists just table me outright.

>>51729168
Fine. Scatbikes, orks, go.

>>51729095
>daemonic possession rule should turn the vehicle into a MC

How about no, but Daemonic possession should lose the 'nom rule and give the Vehicle the Daemon special rule

>>51729111
>why isn't everyone a masochistic cuck like me
Wasted trips desu.

>>51728508
u wot m8

>>51729181
Easy, 120 Burna Boyz

>>51729181
(Not that anon)

I assume spamming stupid amounts of Mek Guns could do something. Not that this is fun or easy on the wallet.

>>51729111
Because setting up my no more than 30 model 1850 Grey Knight army only to have to take off 17 models by turn 2 and concede on turn 3 80% of the time is not fun. Out of 20 or so matches I have 4 wins. 2 against Guard, once against Blood Angels, and once against Orkz. They were all by like 1 objective point, too.

>>51729228
Relies heavily on the terrain being favorable. If the jetbikes can JSJ with LoS mek guns will have a hard time.

>>51729161
I play guard and I'm lucky enough to really feel fluffy while I play even with a competitive list
>tons of thundering guns blasting craters
>commanders screaming orders
>slow moving heavy armour advancing as artillery pounds the enemy from 300" away
>>51729157
>gets called out for being a pussy
>"you're a cuck for sticking with it and enjoying a challenge!"
>loosing automatically means it was a one sided rape fest every time and you never had nutsack clutching close games that were fun as fuck

Yawn

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>>51727826
What kind of lists are you guys working on? Right now I'm working towards this list. I'm too static and I end up getting pushed to my lines and slowly killed so I want to advance more.

I figure the 2 30 man blobs, the 2 PCS with Meltas, the Armored Sentinel and Pask's unit can advance while all the heavy weapons and the Wyvern stay behind the Aegis wall and then the Exterminator can fill in the gaps. Got some of the Psykers spread out to cast Prescience on the Lascannons and then to hopefully cast Misfortune, Forewarning, Foreboding or Perfect Timing for the advancing units. Since they are Astropaths I am considering trying to roll for Shrouding or Invisibility.

This might be a meta question that is difficult to answer, but why is GW so bad at balancing/play testing?

>>51728915
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OdJT1Ex0pI&t=0s

there's a few people that use them, they perform as expected.

>>51728928
>>51728944
>>51728961

>Make them walkers
>Wraithknight posed in a fucky position
>Now has to have line of sight drawn to it in the same way as vehicles
>no one can decide on which side is facing
>Optimum poses for this are discovered to guarantee highest facing is always what's in LOS

You're all fucking shortsighted mongaloid faggots. They're not even fucking vehicles. They're Ghost Power Armour. Wraith knights are undercosted.

>inb4 muh dreadnought wank

Dreads are awkward, slow, clunky, metal cripple manlets. They're made with shit technology, replicated by idiots that don't know what they're doing from millennia old blueprint hand me downs.

Wraithlord are technologies so advanced they have to be psychically grown by thousand year old warrior monks, specifically to act as bodies for ghosts, not vehicles.

The lore and the crunch is against you.

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>>51729265

They don't care. They still think its fanbase are just a handful of dudes who visit each other in their man caves to have a few beers while they laugh and purposely misremember the rules

>>51729265
Because they have a particular outlook to the game and aren't particularily competitive.

So they don't loophole, spam or generally WAAC, and don't get a real idea of what the armies can do before setting it loose on the general fanbase.

>>51729258
>being a masochist
>taking shit and pretending you like it
>enjoying taking shit
>taking shit you don't have to

Yes, that is literally being a cuck. Bet you let your bullies fuck your mom while you watch because it added more emotional challenge to you enduring their bullying to prove how manly you are

Fucking dumbass

>>51729288
Wait, there are people that don't do that?

>>51729232
I also played GKs for a year, I lost 80% of all games with the same situations

I no longer play GKs

I play guard now and win about 90% of my games and feel like it's a lot of me having an army that does what I want and having grown as a player

I also just enjoy playing guard win or loose, I truly believe I would still have fun with guard if I lost 90% of all games because I have a blast even when I'm loosing bad

>okay yeah I still have some salty games but that's 40k

>>51729232
My GK mate used to pretty much dominate our group (smurfs, nids, IG, my admech) until one day I put kataphron destroyers with heavy grav cannons on the table. Oh and culexus assassin

>>51729308
What an oddly specific insult.

Anon, something you want to confess?

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>>51729275
>triggered Aeldari fanboy detected
Why shill for a faction with such a shitty name?

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>>51729175
That sucks. I go for a fluffy Iyanden list of Wraith Constructs slowly marching up the board. I'm lucky to be in range by turn 2, turn 1 is literally impossible. ALos:

>MFW my Eldar get tabled by orks on turn 2 despite Dscythes because of shoota boyz and bike spam forcing me to fail saves by sheer numbers without killing a single thing because I'm a moron that purposefully refuses to take transports for his wraiths

>>51728768

Because they've been taking top spots in tournaments for a while now and people complain about any faction that is plentiful and dominant. Basically, they can pubstomp local shops or non competitive levels. Don't let it fool you. Their are several armies that do well at the top tables. Oh and Eldar just got a new release so the hate fire just got stoked.

http://variancehammer.com/2016/12/10/warzone-atlanta-crunching-the-numbers/

http://variancehammer.com/2016/02/19/number-crunching-the-lvo/

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>Play GSC against Deathwatch
>His drop pod comes in turn 2 with hi watchmaster and retinue
>magus mind controls them into wasting their 9 combi-plasma shots on their own drop pod
>2 squads ambush it with 4 demo charges, 3 of which dont scatter
>entire squad gone

what a fucking feeling

All codex updates should be released at the same time Y/N

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>>51729308
>literally not pointing out a single one of my arguments
>just spams units of cuck
>clearly some slight projecting

Just stop dude, you're embarrassing yourself

>>51729373
Y
But it will never happen

>>51729341
He's got a point. Wraith-constructs don't really have vulnerable internal systems that can be damaged. They're giant statues controlled by a spirit stone. That doesn't mean Wraithknights don't need a substantial points hike, but making them walkers purely because MUH DREADNOUGHTS doesn't make sense.

>>51729308
You learn more from a defeat you pay attention too, than a thousand victories. Or whatever that old gook said.

>>51729373
It'd be nice but it'd be financial suicide.

>>51729373
obviously

if not you get the shitshow that is 7th edition With Orks at the beginning and Eldar near the end

>>51729370
Now if only Nids knew this feeling.

>>51729373
>>51729384
>>51729393

Like in AoS where there's a yearly point balancing across the board in one book?

>>51729387
By that logic Defilers, Forgefiends, Maulerfiends and pretty much every single Daemon Engine should be a MC.

>>51729308
>Boxers get punched in the face all day
>they don't have to get punched in the face all day
>they probably didn't win many fights when they started
>they probably have to fight against really good boxers who have better reach and punch harder than them once they get really good
>all boxers are therefore cucks

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>Come back after not playing since 5th edition
>Theyve buffed Eldar and nerfed orks


Its like not a single person working there has any self awareness

>>51729348
>Shoota Boyz
I need to get me more of them. Maybe I'd do better if I didn't run blobs of 30 slugga boyz

>>51729400

Funny how one of the best models for orks, Wazbom Blastajet was released less than 12 months ago

I love the greenskins but GW has been shitting on us for a long time (that siad, least I'm not nids or necrons. Now that's some unloving)

>>51729417
yes?

>>51729370

What was the reaction of your opponent?

Did he fag out and start whining or quit?

>>51729430
The wazbom is nowhere near the best model for orkz, rules wise or aesthetically

>>51729430
>Necrons unloving

Huh? Was it just not getting many models for a while?

Are beastmen all Chaos now or are there still beastmen regiments in the IG?

How strong is an Ogryn exactly? Squats? Ratling? Beastmen?

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>>51728991
>Wraithknights aren't supposed to be Walkers
They are functionally identical to revenant titans. Piloted machines.

Wraithlords I can kind of understand, even though they aren't really any different from a dreadnought at the end of the day, but
>They have always been MCs
No. Wraithlords and wraithguard are machines. Machines made out of wraithbone parts and animated by psychic nonsense yes, but machines nonetheless.

The codexes even retain the text regarding them as robotic frames, though obviously to a lesser degree as the older books (which go into more detail about everything in general).

Making the wraithlord a creature was a mistake. I still remember the arguments about it and poison.

>>51729423
>implying boxers purposely do full-contact sparring against Mohammed Ali every single time they fight
Nice false equivalence cuck.

>>51729146
dorf fort player here. loosing IS fun, it means get fucking better. success only slows you down

>>51729423
Boxers have weight classes, so that's not a good example.

>>51729417
Daemon engines don't have crew, but they're still machines with internal components. I could definitely see the Soul Grinder being a MC though.

>>51729431
>wanting FMC Heldrakes

>>51729430
>Best models for Orks
>Wazbom Blastajet
I'm sorry anon, but Kans/Deff Dreads are better
Wazbom is still pretty good though

>>51729456
>How strong is an Ogryn exactly?

Strong enough to drag a ruined Chimera.

Beastmen are shot on sight as illegal mutants, so yeah, all Chaos.

>>51728554

>Losing a mere 21 Orks to a single shooting attack

Yeah, I can totally see how that's fair and balanced.

>>51729387
Same person who posted that thing about Wraithlords, deadnuts and why wraiths shouldn't be vehicles.

Wraithknights should in no way ever cost less than 400 fucking points. I don't know much about balancing this sort of shit but I wouldn't turn my nose up at 500, with all the weapons I want.

>>51729341
>They know better than me, oh no!
>T-They're just shills! They're not actually r-right!
>Clearly butthurt Aeldari fanboy! H-has to be!

Faggot, I play the guard with cult mech allies. I first had this argument over Cult Mech Kastellan robots and taghmata robots in the 30k thread. It's the same for that army too. Bunch of dipshits that want things to be vehicles because they're short sighted little shits like you, instead of being re-costed.

>>51729321
Yeah...mine are mostly shelved for now.
I hope Voldus and our involvement in GS3 isn't totally shit.

>>51729324
With our 7th codex? Fucking how? I get PTSD flashbacks just looking at my friend's exocrine. Shit WIPES my squads off the board.

>>51729373
Yes, but after the initial buzz of everyone opening their new Christmas gifts, it'll get boring fast with no releases. I think it should be 2-3 week releases sort of how they've been doing it lately.

>>51729181
That's gotta be the most retarded question ever

>the answer is just bring more dakka

Seriously though that's probably one of the worst ones and that's why you picked it, is probably just use melee to my advantage, tons of boys in trukks and boyz on bikez and put them in the opponents face, if they turbo boost to run away they aren't shooting, gotta just hope to get lucky and hope they brought large bike units so they can't target everything and hope they make some shitty assault moves and hope you don't die to overwatch

>who am I kidding you're fucked

>>51729403
I dont think in one book would work but a point balancing every now and then wouldn't hurt

>>51729493
Have you seen an ogryn model? They are almost as tall as a primarch, of course nowhere near as powerful though

But these motherfuckers are huge, the codex mentions how they rip fully armoured traitor marines limb from limb like nothing

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Is this too much for an 1850 ITC? Opponents are Retaliation Cadre, CWE, GravSpam, CSM Traitors, and Castellans.

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Step aside, losers.

>>51729403
A points patch is one thing, but they can't update the codexes all at once with the speed at which they put out updates, otherwise we'd be going years without any releases, which is terrible for the long term health of your game.

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>>51729571
>asking for help
>Ynnari

>>51729568
It's just a book with updated rules and points.

The fluff and shit goes in other books with the rules for models. (If you want a physical copy, all the unit rules would be free on the GW site.)

>>51728928

The game needs more categories other than "Walker" or "Monstrous Creature".

The fact that there are only those two shows a severe lack of creativity to me.

>>51729456
>How strong is an Ogryn exactly?
they've got warboss tier stats for a reason

>>51729475
Actually they aren't. Name a single 'internal component' from a Daemon Engine. See? You can't.

They're arguably less of a machine than wraith constructs since they actively warp and modify their host. Just look at Heldrakes, those were supposed to be regular SM ships like Thunderhawks and shit before pilot, machine and daemon fused into one being.

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>Go to local tournament
>Bring a """""competitive""""" ork list (bikerz, mek gunz and tankbustas in trukks, Megaz in a wagon
>do okay against guard, win against nidz
>fight eldar
>he gets first turn
>Literally tabled, 100% tabled his turn 1
>tabled without moving a single model.
>tabled before my first turn

Its like a completely different fucking game

I also got tabled that day to Tzeench daemons with magnus

orks just cant get through rerollable invulns, it doesnt fucking work

>>51729370
>>magus mind controls them into wasting their 9 combi-plasma shots on their own drop pod
That psychic power only targets a single model. Tzeentch Discipline is the one that mind controls an entire units shooting. You fucked up anon.

Calling it now mortarions going to get a retard rule that makes it so he can only be wounded on 6's unless the weapon is Grav or fleshbane and any successful wound in cc causes a poison +2 automatic hit on the model that caused the wound

>>51729518
Most of us are relatively new, so we don't have large armies or a lot of unit choices. Only veterans are nids and IG players, but they also rarely win. Nids guy straight up doesn't play them vs GK.

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>>51729576
>Tfw enemies are 25" away

>>51729493
What was the lore reason no more beastmen in the IG?

>>51729630
...how the fuck did the eldar player table himself? farseer on bike doing santic and perils to death?

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>>51729496
>he is still mad

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>>51729571

>all that squishy
>all that soul bursting

>>51729579
How is releasing all the codexes at the same time to prevent one codex from out powering the others a bad thing?

>>51729654
They were declared an illegal mutant strain so are unsuitable. I dunno what the actual reason GW had.

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They are going to update all the codexes at once, because codexes arent going to exist anymore. Theyre switching over to free warscrolls ala AoS

this was confirmed eons ago

>>51729703
Yeah but Codexes/Battletomes still exist.

>>51729703
Fucking source

>>51729680
Because without any releases to keep interest you're going to bleed players. Also having all of your new model releases at the same time dilutes the amount people will spend.

>>51729459
Huh. Okay, I stand corrected.

Goddamn do I miss 2nd edition.

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>>51729494

a squad of wyverns will do the same thing for far cheaper from half way across the board once you factor in all the points you're gonna have to spend on batteries to get that WC2 spell off with any reliability.

besides why the fuck would eldar have to shoot at orks with witchfires when they can just spam S:D flamer templates and skatbikes

besides, the spell gets worse the fewer models their are in the squad being attacked, and any ork hoard that gets close enough to a farseer to eat that spell is going to be so depleted that he could probably kill them in CC.

there are a billion better things a eldar psyker can be doing than zapping a hoard of boys.

you're just moaning to feed your ork victim complex you pathetic mother fucker.

I play pure harlequins, pure deldar, and occasionally harlequins and deldar and I refuse to touch this tripe, its stupid and unfluffy and just another way for Geedubs to satisfy their blatant craftworlder fanboner.

so stop complaining because at least you're sure to get something further down the line, it might be utter shit but at least its SOMETHING!

I'm sure this is all my armies gonna get and that's only IF they don't get squatted to make Chaos players feel good about themselves.

>>51729609
>Walker
>Monstrous Creature
>>Wraith Construct
>>Tau battlesuit

>Gargantuan Creature
>>Wraithbone Colossus
>>Gargantuan Tau Battlesuit.

It would be so much better.

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Do Necrons glow in any other color apart from green?

>>51729703
>confirmed

Bruv... just stop...

You and I both know that it's never been confirmed and there's never been a reliable source that even hinted it

Post some non existent sauce or BTFU

>>51729713
>Also having all of your new model releases at the same time dilutes the amount people will spend.

That's not how this would work.

New releases would still happen, but rules go up on GW's site, with points cost on there and shit. Then they get added to the yearly points book next update.

>>51729693
But why were they suddenly declared illegal when they could fight in the Guard before? Is it because they don't have human like faces?

>>51729703
It hasn't been confirmed whatsoever.

Nothing about 8th edition has been confirmed. We don't have any solid info, or even a release date, other than that it's coming this year.

>>51729680
>Release all codexes at same times
>All the time it took to coordinate the simultaneous release means they had to slow to little or no releases
>After the initial buzz people will start playing games and finding optimal cheese strats
>No new releases will come out to possibly shake up the meta because they'd be coordinating on the next big releases for AoS because 40k got a years worth of attention in a single release
>playerbase will bleed
>It'll feel bad

Imagine it like this. You have 20 chicken nuggets. You can choose to eat them like a normal person, one at a time, pausing to eat some fries or take a drink OR you can shove them all into your mouth, then shove all your fries down your throat, and then drink all your soda/water/tea. While option 2 sounds like great fun, you'll feel like shit afterwards.

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Which would be the most cucked faction in 40k?

GSC?

>>51729758
Then that's not updating all codexes at once is it?

>>51729787
For all intents and purposes, it is.

>>51729796
It's quite a bit different, as balance will quickly change after the points update as new stuff gets released throughout the year.

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>>51729751
Sure dude

It just depends on your tomb world and dynasty

The necron codex has models that glow orange and if I'm not mistaken blue as well

>>51728587
>Chaos
>new codex

Yeah sure

>>51729784
Yea but slowly releasing updates like that causes horrible power creep. I mean some anon pointed to the orks compared to the Eldar earlier. If we dont want this cycle to repeat we gotta fix something

>>51729749

Exactly.

Could also include a few rules unique to each type as well.

I'd make "Daemon Engine" it's own category too and make those more than just basic machines.

Like having the ability to walk through obstacles, turn up on the table from Deep Strike anywhere and so forth.

>>51729814
True, but like you said, if they literally only had one huge release a year, they'd be fucked.

So this is the only realistic way of doing it.

>>51728316
That's really not that bad. It's 12" range, and ignoring that, it'll do 62.5 wounds statistically, 41.66666... If you have a pain boy.
Sure that's a lot of guys, but that's because orks have a lot of guys who can die

>>51729660
Not sure what you're getting at friendo.

>>51729603
Not asking to make it better. Wondering if I should tone it down. I have more Clowns and could bring more DE.

>>51729651

It's ok. I'll deploy on my objectives as far forward as I can.

>>51729831
Oh yeah, I know that. My example was in an ideal world with a competent GW where they don't realize people will buy more models if they have powerful rules halfway through "streamlining" the game.

>>51729480
>2012 was 5 years ago

>>51729111

Because the fucking game isn't balanced. This isn't chess, where you could conceivably play against the same person who always beats you for 8 months, then finally pull off a victory because you got better at the game.

I could take the most WAAC Orks list I could possibly dream up and throw it against a top-tier Eldar/Daemon etc force and I will. not. win. Maybe 1 in 100 games, I'll pull out a victory because the dice smiled on me, but that's not because I got better as a player. It's because I got lucky.

I do love equally matched tooth and nail victories. Unfortunately, the average game as Orks tends to look like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5TVqAlMK2s

noob question: do dreadnoughts have a 360 firing arc? I'm thinking about taking a heavy flamer but if I have to hold the template near the weapon then fuck that

>>51729832
Unit types should just have datasheets.

They can put the basic datasheets like Infantry, Jump, Jet Pack, Monstrous Creature, Vehicle, Walker, Tank, Transport, and so forth in the main rulebook.

Then in individual Codexes in the appendix where the army special rules are they can have all the appropriate ones for that Faction, such as Wraith Construct, Daemon Engine, Eldar Jetbike, and so forth.

When you read a unit datasheet under the unit type it will have the pg reference number for the type datasheet that goes with it.

What's the best TAC loadout for a Wolf Lord on a mount? Guessing Runic armour is a given but should he be wielding Fist/Claw combo or Krakenbone+Shield? Rest of the list is just TWC, 2x10 Grey Hunters in Pods and some Long Fangs so far.

>>51729883
>Walkers having shitty firing archs compared to monsterous creatures

You have no idea the shitshow this has caused multiple times

>>51729868
But anon GW doesnt care about rules. They are a model company not a games company

I really, really hope 8th ed brings back the movement stat and they put someone competent in charge of nids to give them the high speed theyre supposed to have instead of that monkey crud

>>51728768
Play against eldar and you'll find out.

>>51729935
so I'm guessing that's a no. damn.

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>>51729940

>>51729939
Nice meme, I think it's so old the necrontyr are the ones who started it

>the new meme is this is the golden age of GW

>>51729940
>I really, really hope 8th ed brings back the movement stat and they put someone competent in charge of nids to give them the high speed theyre supposed to have instead of that monkey crud
That would be nice.
I'd also like them to bring back AP reducing (or sometimes increasing) armor saves from the old editions, since it makes most guns (like bolters), actually worth something against anything but GEQ.
That, and the old 3+ on 2d6 for termie armor.

>>51729952
Walkers work the exact same as vehicals other than in CC

All weapons that are front mounted (so your arms) have a 45° arc, and flamers can be aimed anywhere you can place the template while still touching the barrel of the gun

>>51729745

The Wyvern is criminally underpriced. Comparing one broken thing to another isn't exactly fueling your argument.

>so stop complaining because at least you're sure to get something further down the line, it might be utter shit but at least its SOMETHING!

>Here, have this shit
>I don't want shit
>Well aren't you an entitled little fuck

>>51729988
There's a lot of things they should bring back from that edition, honestly.

Cover as a reduction to Ballistic Skill instead of a separate save. The old version of Overwatch. Sustained fire weapons.

>>51729988
The game is too large for 2D6 saves now.

>>51729940

You and I both know it would look like this:

>Speed: 4". Carnifexes are built for toughness, not speed!

>Speed: 3". Turns out hauling a load of Temigants around slows you down a bit!

>>51729777
>>51729755

Obviously theres no source, but why the fuck else would there be no codex updates for over a year?

Theyre redoing the whole shebang all at once.

>>51729988
Hmmm what edition in your openion was "the best" just out of curiosity

>>51729943
Like I said, there's noone in my area who plays them. For now. A friend started them at the same time I did, but he's got so much stuff going on in life, we all but gave up on him ever playing.

>>51730012
Yeah.
Bringing back stuff like that could do a lot to fix the game.
They would still need to buff/nerf some things (or entire armies like the eldar), but stuff like the old overwatch would do a lot. Would be nice to actually have to make tactical decisions, rather than just shoot and then have another shooting phase when the opponent charges (looking at you tau)

>>51730031
Anon its at that moment we riot

>>51730043
>admits there's no source
>despite making "claims" instead of labeling it as conjecture

Well at least thanks for admitting it, you can go now

>>51727826
I like how I have to be home in order for the Duncan to be updated.

>>51730087
So why has there been no codex updates for over a year?

>>51730058
I like most all of them actually. They all had their downsides, but each brought good things as well.
Then again, I like superheavies and formations, which is the best thing that 7th brought in my opinion, so my opinions are rather divergent from the norm.

>>51729494
Green tide is objectively the worst case scenario and it often is because it's a bad formation, every shooting attack looks ridiculous when you cash it out as raw # of boys killed when they're all holding hands at maximum unit density

>>51730026
Not too large for D10 or D12 saves.
>Hurr yes it is~!
Nah. Play a homebrew that uses a D12 system for saves and armour pen regularly.

Lads, what base is used for Discs of Tzeentch? It's a jetbike and those use flying bases generally, but the Exalted Sorc box f.ex just put them floating over a regular troop base.

And how do you measure against it for shooting and CC? Base or hull? Making custom discs so I'd like to do this right.

>>51730100
I also like superheavies and formations so I'll keep your secret, sorry you just seemed like an oldfag that thought 2nd or 3.5 were by and large the best editions ever and had no issues whatsoever

>I find those people havent played much since those editions and have massive nostalgia goggles

>>51730117
Sure you could do that instead. D10 doesn't change much, but a D12 might. Although you might have a hard time getting people too buy that many D12's.

>>51730043
It may well be that they're doing that. But I think you need to go look up the definition of the word 'confirmed' instead of moving goalposts around.

>>51730098
>gathering storm
>gathering storm 2
>imperial agents
>traitors hate
>traitor legions
>wrath of Magnus
>lulwut

Go ahead and explain away all of those with bullshit so you can keep your narrative

>>51730134
>sorry you just seemed like an oldfag that thought 2nd or 3.5 were by and large the best editions ever and had no issues whatsoever
Eh, I mean I kind of am, but not to the point of blind worship of the older editions.
Hopefully GW adapts all the good parts of every edition, and hell even of WHFB and maybe AoS, but I struggle to find anything good and original from it, and make 8th the best thing yet.

>>51730134
Different guy here, every edition has had its issues, but 2nd edition had the best overall ruleset and the least things that needed to be fixed in the core.

Formations are pretty cool though.

>>51730163
Pffff, you know nothing anon. Those aren't codices, those are supplements

would you be against someone using a d12 for leadership rolls instead of 2d6?

>>51730159
Not him, but they included them in BoP.
O honestly believe that they plan on using more than just D6s next edition, which would be both good for the game, allow for more variance and make GW more money, which is all they care about.

>>51730117
But why would i do that when i can just do a small modification for 2d6 instead?

>>51730102
Yeah abilities with such short range seem amazing on paper, but once you start playing and measuring it out it's not as good

>a melta pistol sounds amazing until you realize you have to have your cock in the exaust of a tank to get the extra D6

>volkovs Cane is amazing, but it's short range makes you really clump up

>>51730216

What happens when you roll a 1?

>>51730216
Yes unless the game were actively redesigned around it.

2d6 and a d12 are very very different, one works on a bell curve averaging at 7 and the other is completely linear.

>>51730163
Not a single of those is a revision of an existing codex

The last codex redo was tau at the end of 2015

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Finally bought my codex /tg/, so where do I begin making a good list of these guys + GK + INQ

>>51730187
Agreed I'm totally not scared of a new edition and look forward to the change

I'm not obsessed with the status quo and scared all my armies will be nerfed or canned

>>51730251
>The last codex redo was tau at the end of 2015
And even that didn't technically redo anything, it just combined the previous Tau Codex with the new stuff from Damocles.

>>51730257
Read the codex cover to cover

>then buy troops and an HQ
>then buy wyverns and inquisitor coteaz

>>51730238
>>a melta pistol sounds amazing until you realize you have to have your cock in the exaust of a tank to get the extra D6

Infernus Pistols exist and pistols have the same range as meltaguns anyway.

>>51730216
Yes.
While I'm in favor of adding more than just d6s to the system, just replacing 2d6 with d12 is not the way to go.
It would require more intricate reworking to both make it balanced and take full potential of it, like being able to make it so a gaurdsman who survived one battle isn't as good a shot as a space marine who's fought in many crusades

>>51730251
>what does the word suppliment mean?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKF6GUyI8VA

>>51730278
Don't inferno pistols only have a 6" max range, meaning a 3" melta range?

That's kind of terrible for anything.

>>51730159
LD on a D12 would be pretty cool. They'd probably have to change the mechanic slightly so units don't just whiff out on failing it.

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>>51730276
Baneblade when

>>51730285
I said codex update

supplement=/=update

>>51730294
>infernus pistol only gets melta bonus when you're so close you might as well have just charged with a melta bomb

Blood Cucks

>>51730285
I don't know but it sounds similar to supplement so I'm going to say it's just a foreign version of that word.

>>51730297
I'd be pretty happy if they moved the entire game over to d12 system desu, apart from having to buy a fuckton of new dice.

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>>51730197
Thats true... sorry...

But could you help me? It's really weird... could you tell me what words those are above imperial agents?

I don't have my contacts in so it's hard to see the letters...

>>51730302
Yea but a model dual wielding infernus pistols looks so much cooler

>>51730302
well the pistols aren't great but I wouldn't say meltabombs make them useless, you if can get melta range with an infernus then you're guaranteed to pop it because you've got both the pistol and the bombs, a little insurance. again I'm not saying it's actually a good idea for a list tho

>>51730311
But it wouldnt fundamentally change anything youd still have to roll the same amount of dice.

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>>51730315

Model dual melta bombs instead

>>51730298
Pask is superior to a baneblade with the right support

Also baneblades are kinda shit outside apoc so unless you have an apoc crew don't bother with it and buy more wyverns with the money you saved

>by the way sister fister is on the back burner but not forgotten if anyone remembers that meme

>>51730313
Yeah, nope, sorry. My reading glasses are on the desk and I'm in bed

>>51730313
That wasny an update, that was a brand new codex designed specifically to replace a bunch of eBook codexes

>>51730237
Because then you're rolling saves one at a time.

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>>51730197
>Those aren't codices
>Codex: Imperial Agents
>Codex
No anon, you know nothing

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>>51730306
>going after spelling instead of the content

A sign you've truly lost the argument anon

>>51730354
thats not the fucking same and you know it

There have been no updates of existing codecies for over a year

Its glaringly obvious that 8th edition is going to change the way we get rules for our models

Where does one find rules for inquisition?

>>51730354
Ooooh, thanks. I didn't see that, I left my reading glasses on the desk, like I told the other anon

>>51730377
Mind if you state your thesis with a name attached so we can shame you in a few months, I mean praise you for being right?

>>51730394
Enjoy Age of the Emperor :^)

>>51730390
In Rome

>>51730377
>"There hasn't been any codices released since 2015"
>GW has released a new codex liteally 3 months ago
>"T-that doesn't count!"
Fuck off

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>>51730390
In their brand new codex that just came out

>>51730339
>WOuldn't fundamentally change anything
>Opens up the system for far more modifications, greater depth, far higher statistical variation without making it inherently more complex.
>Wouldn't change anything

kys

>>51730433
>new codex
>>51730443
>brand new codex


How is a new codex an updated codex?

I repeat

There has not been an UPDATE of an EXISTING codex in over a year

>>51730408
Ah so bitching out?

Thanks that's all I need to know about your confidence

>>51730363
that was the first post I made ITT, I just have autism

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>>51730455
It updated the SoB and Inquisition.

>>51730483

Only because of incompetence

>>51730455
That was in reply to the guy who said there have been no new dexes

Explain individually how
>traitor legions
>traitors hate
>wrath of Magnus
> gathering storm
>gathering storm 2
>"codex" imperial agents

Have not had updates for existing models?

It's okay to admit you don't know what you're talking about anon, I won't judge

>>51730483
No, the inquisition and SoB codexes are still valid and usable on their own, as confirmed by GW over and over and over

This is a brand new codex that combines units from other codexes

>>51730460
Sorry for the misunderstanding, I too have a unique individual form of autism

>>51730499
Because not a single one of those are replacing an existing codex, only SUPPLEMENTING them, nothing more than bandaids for a broke-ass codex

>>51730502
The same guy who bitches about how GW pushes bullshit falls back on what GW says for defense

Come on m8 pick one

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>>51729154
Why not?

>>51730530
Reasons

>>51730350
It doesn't replace them though you should look at the new fall of Cadia book because in the new detachment you can take inquisitors from I & IA.

>>51730519
Idk what you want dude

>there have been new codexes
>there have been updates for codexes
>there have been supplements for codexes
>there have been rules updates for models

These are objective facts, you're ignoring reality to force your own narrative become you already have made a forgone conclusion

How long are you gonna keep embarrassing yourself and playing dumb?

>>51730445
May i ask for examples on how this could change the system in a better way?

>>51730519
Okay, for the sake of argument let's say that you're right, that still doesn't prove that they are doing warscrolls though. It just proves that GW doesn't know how to properly support their game...

>>51730339
It has nothing to do with the amount of dice you roll you mong, it's about increasing the resolution and therefore variety of stats so you can have, for example, Orks with higher strength than Guardsmen but lower than Space Marines.

>>51730562
Please show me the new and updated version of

>Codex: orks
>Codex: space marines
>Codex: Blood Angels
>Codex: Space Wolves
>Codex: chaos space marines
>Codex: tyranids
>Codex: eldar
>Codex: dark eldar
>Codex: tau
>Codex: necrons
>Codex: astra militarum

That has been released in the last year

ill wait

Returning guard player here. Is blob or mech the current meta? Also how are baneblades and other superheavies since they released knights?

>>51730626
>mech

>bad

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>>51730604
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Rules-Errata#40k-errata

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>>51730604
>forgetting Grey Knights

It's okay, anon...we get forgotten a lot these days...

We're even the randomly thrown in 3rd mini of GS3 so they can sell mark it as a Triumvirate...

>>51730604
>I'll just ignore his argument because I can't beat it
>I'll just point out there's not a new codex for every army even though that's not what he's arguing
>even though I know them waiting to release new codexes until the new edition doesn't support my claim they will completely change how rules are put out I'm going to act like a chittering ape
>therefore I win!

You got me, gg

>>51730648
I dont understand for the life of me why they decided to do some Rando GK guy instead of just updating draigo

>>51730098
Because gw is eliminating the codex

There will be two rulebooks, 1 with the core rules, 1 with the faction rules. The supplements will all modify the faction rules

>>51730604
>GW regularly released a new codex for every single army every year in the past

>>51730660
Because they killed Valdar Aurikon(the old 3rd Brotherhood Grandmaster) on Fenris and saw an opportunity to push a new guy. I really hope his rules(and whatever formation we get shoved into with Ultras/DA) aren't shit.

>>51730530
it looks insane but I somehow endearing

>>51730674
Considering theyve been putting out 3-4 codex updates a year for the preceding 5 years

yeah, its a little noticeable

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>>51730012
Cover reducing BS would make mehrens even more powerful as they get benefit from both cover, power armor and possibly fnp on top of this.

Old overwatch was shit as was the LOS.

Current edition is better than 4th or below

>>51730668
there is no basis to believe this but I want it to be true, the codex system is retarded. in fact they should just include faction rules in the rulebook, D&D core rulebooks have WAY more rules and fluff in their core books and they're literally the same size as 40k core books, don't tell me they couldn't fit them in there. GW just puts a bunch of whitespace and whacky fonts and unnecessary shit to take up more space.

>>51730668
To be honest I wouldn't mind this. It just makes sense to have all the faction codexes in the same book. Less shit to buy and opens customers up to wanting other armies/makes it worth buying supplements that reference books you don't own. The only thing I would really miss is all the epic flavor text and pics that come in single faction codexes, but since they add nothing to the game itself I see that as a worthy sacrafice

>>51730122
Bump please