Pathfinder General /pfg/

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>>51718563

How do you feel about treating monsters as if they were only 1/2 or 3/4 their CR for encounter building/rewards?

I once made a younger Purple Worm for my party to fight. It nearly ate the cleric.

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>>51718563
Man, that thing is fucking adorable. Have some other adorable little monsters.

>>51718601
Depends on the monster; Dragons are notorious for being under-CR'd thanks to their metric shit-ton of abilities.

>level 8 gestalt social intrigue
Well I know how I could break that in half.

First off I'm going to need to play a Phantom Thief. Truly the most degenerate of classes.

Diplomatic Taldor game in which you play as Taldan Diplomats seeking to unite the various nations of the world against the Empire of Kelesh, whose aggression against Osirion through the Satrapy of Qadira has brought war to your homeland's doorsteps.

https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/69210/taldor-ascendant

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>>51718632
>social intrigue
>gestalt
for literally what purpose

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>>51718563

How would you implement Guardian Spirits? Intelligent Slottless Magic Items? Cohorts? A new Class? Saoirse is bae.

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>>51718634
Why gestalt? This reeks of a fake game.

>>51718647
Because you're the attaches to the actual diplomats. You do what the diplomat cannot, you meet with the people the diplomat cannot be seen talking to, and you keep the diplomat alive in the viper dens he walks into on behalf of Taldor.

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>>51718651
Special cohort via feat chain or class feature.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/templates/guardian-spirit-cr-varies/

>>51718661
Because it lets me vicariously fulfill the fantasy of a mid level gestalt game that I want to play in by giving you guys the opportunity to play out those type of builds against the type of challenges I like to throw at people.

>>51718661
>Why gestalt?

So you can be good at talking *and* fighting.

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>>51718563
What's got that tiny dragon so angry?

>>51718718
The game says "not combat focused" what sort of challenges would you be referring to?

>>51718730

Not him... But probably social events, duels, subterfuge, blackmail, seduction, mass combat, skirmishes, back-alley ambushes, etc.

If you can imagine it's something a stuffy Taldan ambassador can get involved with, it will probably happen.

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The 14th of Calistril approaches. How do you plan to crush the hopes and dreams of the amorous mortal insects which teem beneath your feet?

>>51718730
Actually, the game says "Be advised that while this game is primarily social intrigue, combat will figure into it." So if you fuck up, you have a sword to fall back on, if you end up needing to recruit the Yaks, you'll be able to do them some favors, and if some player in the city is vested in Kelesh and wants you all fucking dead to strike a blow against Taldor/win favor with Kelesh, you'll be able to fight back against the hordes of mercenaries they send to kill you, the diplomat, everyone in the building you were staying at, and everyone in a one block radius around it.

I tend to take inspiration from Deus Ex for non-social stuff (and social stuff, to a lesser extent).

>>51718786
>and if some player in the city is vested in Kelesh and wants you all fucking dead to strike a blow against Taldor/win favor with Kelesh, you'll be able to fight back against the hordes of mercenaries they send to kill you

Wait.

Wait a second.

PCs can go turn-coat and declare for Kelesh? We might have people sneaking in conversations with our characters, trying to sway them to the Qadiran side?

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>>51718651
>Saoirse is bae.

She's such a nice lady!!

>>51718651
>>51718824

Saorise is essentially an Avowed's Fae patron that can buff up their sword and give extra Amrita at a point in the game when you don't need Amrita.

>>51718821
Not what I meant by player.

I meant it in the sense of "This (NPC) person is a power *player* in the city, and this is a very specific manner by which they might try to end you and everyone associated with you." It'd be preferable for the party to not be built with treachery in mind (you're hand picked attaches for a reason), though there will be times where NPCs attempt to convince you to come over to the Keleshite side.

Any of you have opinions on FFd20?
http://www.finalfantasyd20.com/ffd20/

Heard about the thing recently and I do like some Final Fantasy.

>>51718842
tá sí den sórt sin a bhean chineál

What is the name of that stupid pale plainiar dev waifu race?

>>51718634
>planned character
>Bard -> Bloatmage VMC oracle
>Zealot
>minmax my performance to hell and back
>be and enormous fat man with the most beautiful singing voice on the continent
>have the zealot side focus on Eternal Guardian, be a creation zealot

I think this will work.

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>>51718967
Proposed character art

>>51718967

I'm reading this, I know what you're going for...

... But when I imagine the character, I can't not see Orson Welles.

>>51718967
>He puts the Opera back in Oppara...

>>51718992
>Orson Welles
https://youtu.be/XHwtAFD7Fhw

Gonna have leadership for my maid. She'll be a vigilante, easy peasy.

>>51719014
Opera's really more of a Chellish thing, though.

>>51719035
>opera
>not taldan

pls

>>51719035

Opera's more of a "cosmopolitan" thing.

And Taldor puts the "cosmos" in "cosmopolitan."

>>51718983
>>51718967
Dancer, Singer, Actor, Comedian, Musician, HE DOES IT ALL

He's so dainty and light on his feet when he dances, despite weighing 600 points because perform dance is charisma based

And 2hu already wants to use poorly written rules from ultimate intrigue, let's see how well this goes.

>>51719071
>Ultimate Intrigue
>Poorly written rules

I'm afraid you're going to have to be more specific.

>>51718957
>stupid pale plainiar dev waifu race

You're gonna have to be a touch more specific.

Are you talking about the Azata?

>>51719071
What am I in for?

I mean, he already asked for monster classes which... why would you ask for monster classes in a game where you're part of a group representing a nation of non-monsters? Now, if this were some "Monsters send diplomats to broker peace with the humies", yeah, that'd make sense, but...

>>51719029

Plague ag dul chun ruin a!

>>51718967
>>51718983
>>51719060
So looking at the character's preliminary build, before I begin nailing everything down.

His Appearance score, without magic items, looks to be (18+14+14+20)/4=16.5. With magic items it will be above 19.

His performance skills are looking to have around a +60 for the most part.

I think this is going to be a fun time.

I need a title for this man. The 600lbs greatest performer the world has ever seen. An interplanar superstar.

>>51719120
>why would you ask for monster classes
Minmaxing diplomacy via the succubus class, why else?

>>51719128
I thought only race/base-stats/inherent counted, and not items?

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Social intrigue games are fine and all, but I'm more interested in hazardous romps through magical physics-defying dungeon filled with all sorts of abominations to greataxe in half.
Or you can do both, in fact I've wanted for a long time to run a game that had a similar premise to Magi the Labyrinth of Magic, which would be exactly that

>>51719120
Because he wants to run DSP's succubus to massively pump his Cha score and then he's intending to use UI's social duel system to run amok over your entire campaign. 2hu is cancer tell him to fuck off right now.

>>51719128
>I need a title for this man.

Pomp and Circumference.

The Massive Maestro.

The Colossus of Cassomir, the Orb of Oppara.

>>51719168
Interplanar Man of Mystery, truly a national treasure, and a secret Lion Blades operative. Is there anything this man can't do?

>>51719115
He means the munavri...Pretty sure I spelled that wrong, but I don't care.

>>51719167
As much as I hate to side with the witch hunter, 2hu did self-admit they don't see any reason to tone things down when making characters: either go big or don't go at all. At first I was on the fence, but that really hammered the point home. It's an attitude that will not normally gel well with people who function, well, normally.

>>51719241
>>51719168
Operative "Slim"

>>51719250
Thank you anon.
Munavri was correct.

>>51719250
No, you spelled it right, and it's true. If you think you can handle GMing for 2hu, then do so. If you're in doubt, just say no. Don't play chicken with 2hu on builds. It doesn't work because he doesn't understand you're playing.

>>51718634

Why do I have the overpowering urge to play a Steelfist || Avowed in this campaign as the nimble thug who can snap necks and steal documents when he needs to?

How do you put on your full plate, /pfg/?

>>51719440
My butt boy helps me into it.

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>>51719120
You're in for some shit if you don't ban 2hu.

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>>51719285
Do you blame me for not caring, we all know the race is stupid.

Also, it occurs to me that 2hu, or at least a 2hu-alike, was the most vocal about the stat-stacking the succubus had when it first came out and how bad it was. The irony is not lost to me. Like, 2hu could use a tiefling to get the same thematic results, but then the numbers would go down by at least 7, and that may as well be character suicide.

Oh, god, help me. I'm turning into the new Witchunt anon!

>>51719440
Armor Trusses.

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I need pictures of big guys in menacing full plate. Preferably not wearing their helmet at the moment. Example pic related.

>>51719440
In 1 minute flat because between Mithral and Iron Pikeman's Attitude it counts as light

>>51719540

But anon, he's hardly menacing at all! In fact, he looks quite heroic!

>>51719559
No no, the armor needs to be menacing, the guy in the armor doesn't have to be.

>>51719476
I think you missed the best part of this, where he implied that people are only "all or nothing" as far as optimization goes.

>>51719588
>>51719476
That is some genuine autism.
Like I'm not just calling him autistic as an insult or anything, that guy is literally, actually, medically autistic.

>>51719598
You're closer to the truth than you probably realize. Yes, he's diagnosed.

>>51719598
As someone else that's been clinically diagnosed with autism, 2hu is so low functioning he's passed the deep end and began burrowing into the dirt under the pool.

>>51719555
Isn't full plate's property attached to it being full plate, and not it being heavy?

>>51719440
Once, when we're in town at an armorer. After that, it's the Endurance feat and mithril letting me keep it on until we're done adventuring.

>>51719651
Realistically I'd agree that making full plate out of mithral doesn't change needing someone else to strap shit to you, but mechanically the armour type changes for everything other than proficiency.
It's kinda nonsensical.

>>51719567
Cherry pick your favorite bits from Dark Souls or Demons' Souls.

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>>51719694
I wasn't talking about flavour, I meant, I don't think being heavy has anything to do with full plate being hard to put on by raw.

>>51719628
I mean, there's shooting yourself in the foot, and then there's >>51719476 which is the internet equivalent of fellating a shotgun and asking the crowd if you're doing it wrong. I've had (and have) friends with Down's and autism at various degrees of intensity, but I think I'm safe saying I've never ran into someone with the inability to read and retain social cues while still being a technically-functioning human being quite like 2hu.

>>51718729
Nobody takes it seriously because it's too cute.
Source is Heathersketcheroos on tumblr. Glad I could find it

>>51719485
>Oh, god, help me. I'm turning into the new Witchunt anon!

Remember a month or two ago, when people were very... aggressively opposed to shitting on 2hu?

>>51719733
I... huh. I always just kinda assumed the don armor times were light/medium/heavy, but that's banded and splint in the 'medium' list.

>>51719792
Let's be fair, Witchhunt anon was equally annoying with how he metaphorically sperged out any time someone even did as much as mention 2hu's username in the thread.

>>51719792
Doesn't mean I want to be like them. I like to think I keep a rather open mind most of the time.

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>>51719588
My bad.

For anybody familiar with Wrath of the Righteous, does anybody know where or when the key events of the Campaign Traits are supposed to have taken place?

Like, I understand that Chance Encounter is probably going to be in the Worldwound itself, but would Stolen Fury have to be in Mendev, or could I probably write a character who'd been involved in a ritual somewhere further away?

So Steam Giants and Alchemical Dragons are, well, Alchemy.

What craft do Airships fall under?

>>51719894
>Why would it draw less ire?

God, that was a golden moment too.

>>51719935
Shipwright?

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>>51718563

Well boys? The clock just ticked over to Singles Awareness Day.

Describe to me your character's Cheesy and cute declarations of love for another.

>>51720264
tfw you have two neet corner girls and one forcibly chaste paladin as your characters

no luv

>>51720264
My character purchased a butt boy to help him in and out of his armor, carry messages, and cook. He made sure the kid was illiterate so he wouldn't read the messages.

In exchange for martial training the butt boy fulfills my character's whims.

So is there a good way to mix guns and magic using only 1pp? Preferably with a 9th level caster.

>>51720306
Literally there is a wizard archetype for this.

>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/wizard/archetypes/paizo---wizard-archetypes/spellslinger/

You get a class feature called Arcane Gun, have fun. You're still 1/2 BaB.

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>>51720322
Unfortunately Spell Slinger is absolute garbage with how much it trades away.

>>51720360
Beggars can't be choosers.

Spellslinger 1/Eldritch Archer X is fun

>>51720360
Gunslinger and Eldritch Archer could work.

>>51720264
>Remind me not to stare next time we're on the battlefield
>My heart is utterly at your mercy
>The Gods themselves can't separate us; Even fromb beyond death, I'll still cut my way back to your side
>I'd kill the world before it did you harm
Still in the process of brainstorming/stealing more

>>51720264
My party described my character as "the not fun type of villain, not the villain you love to hate, the villain you're just kind of disgusted in". Unfortunately he doesn't have any romance. At this point I've been forced to accept he's just kind of a monster, which is sad.

>>51720264
I got my character's wife a new formal gown. Which is essentially frilly lace-trimmed plate armor, plus a couple of scabbards woven into the skirt.

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>>51720264
What should a faithful of Lamashtu give her loved one? Other than a baby. I mean, other than having their baby.

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>>51720264
Love is for the living. It has no power over the damned.

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>>51720458

So when have you played a game where there is an ancient evil, by ancient I mean 1-2k years old trapped because it can't be killed, but instead of the location being lost everyone knows where it is and just kinda don't care any more because it's been out of living memory for so long?

Like The Barrowland in The Black Company.

>>51720557

Calm down Amalthea

>>51720557
Why is Khaled such memes?

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I've done some homebrew that people might like. Feedback is appreciated as these are all still in Alpha so I can't promise they are entirely balanced yet.

Pegasus Knight: Paladin Archetype based around mounted combat, with a decent 'No spellcasters' theme.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FxyQ98xHryv8BS23EN-WqAEou3DoJWlQdw4U6eOFLjw/edit?usp=sharing

Glorified Glossolalist (Spellburst savant archetype for divine spellburst savants. Dealing with the non-scaling nature of healing spells)

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g3-Htf7HYQn6E3_BluPpZAtv3MPMUG3131P1N5L2dwU/edit?usp=sharing

Consecrated Chorist (Spellburst Savant archtype for a more supportive/ally friendly Spellburst Savant)

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qdpAD6J37KQFPHSZq4v0PUHsqRZBm4FTxVCMutFCFtI/edit?usp=sharing

Fusiler (Harbinger archtype, a gun and alchemy happy switch hitter as I noticed most switch hitters are bow users.)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/181xuVW9TAYjZpgWS0q6U4A9SqJZG8CcXGG2lIMwn3Fw/edit?usp=sharing

How much does a non-archetyped Vigilante have to do to change identities?

>>51720834
How much what?

How much time does it take? 1 minute, assuming you have none of the talents.

How often do you need to do it? Depends on your game.

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>>51720506
Zyphus, just because Urgathoa won't go out with you doesn't mean you get to ruin this for everyone.

>>51720902
I think that's supposed to be Charon, actually. Zyphus doesn't do the whole "pale horse" thing last time I checked.

Either that, or just a really, really edgy Dhampir Bone Oracle/Antipaladin.

Say, for Mystic's Elemental Glyph, can you apply that to yourself on cast?

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>>51720264

How bad am I for being a Zerk Addict at level 1 for that sweet +4 str bonus?

>>51718563

Reminds me of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBkWhkAZ9ds

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Pfg how would you build me?

>>51721057
Isn't she just like a straight sorcerer specialized in blasting?

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Excuse me Pathfinder general.
i am new to the gam and i wanted to learn how to play and how to build a character. i had something in mind, a Necromancer (if that is possible.) or a witch of trickery and sabotage.
i was going to use Picture related as character art. How do i go about all of this stuff! it is very confusing.
what race should i choose as well?

>>51720922
Charon's a pretty chill dude, really.

He doesn't try to kill you. He doesn't even try to inconvenience you. He just offers you a boatride across the Styx if you pay him. He even scales the price depending on how powerful you are.

He only does anything hostile if YOU start shit. And he doesn't even try to kill you, he just wants to leave. He'll just thwack you with his paralyzing boatpole and go. Leaving you to think about what led you to making such poor life decisions for however many minutes it lasts for.

Charon's cool.

>>51720785
>Pegasus Knight: Paladin Archetype based around mounted combat, with a decent 'No spellcasters' theme.

Nobility of Soul is legitimately overpowered. Having a combination of Stalwart and Evasion stacking on top of Divine Grace means that you will practically never be subject to area of effect spells, especially considering that you only give up an ability that the archetype would be rendered unable to use anyway.

Inviolate Soul's clause on the Pegasus Knight and his mount gaining Spell Immunity does not specify what Spell Immunity actually means. Does the class feature give them the constant effects of the spell Spell Immunity? If so, a caster level needs to be defined, along with how the Pegasus Knight has to choose which spells will not affect him and whether or not his spell choices are permanent.
If not, you need to define how the ability works. Does it grant full immunity to spells and spell like abilities? If so, it's the strongest ability in Pathfinder. If not, you need to specify what it does do.

Going by your attached pic, I would guess you're going for a Fire Emblem feel for this archetype, in which case I would recommend having a class feature that imposes a weakness against missile weapons if you're going to go for the high magic resistance of FE pegasus knights.

Also, I would personally like the archetype better if it wasn't an initiator. It seems like a lot of homebrew lately has been relying on maneuvers instead of writing actual class features, and a lot of tables still don't allow PoW.

https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/68369/pathfinder-adventure-path-shattered-star
>Woot?

>>51721103
Well, Witch is a good class. They can also pull the Necromancy angle pretty dang nicely on their own too. The Gravewalker archetype is pretty nice if you want to be a Necromancy Witch.

As for race, if you're going with Witch, pretty much anything with an Int bonus is a good bet. Or just NOT a penalty. Human is always a solid option for race.

>>51721148
oh! thank you very much! how does the Level/spell system work. in the advanced book ( i briefly read both core and adv.) it showed multiple spells on some levels. is it singular choice or learn all on that level?

>>51721100
Not really, she has used spells that reverse healing, channeled spells through swords, item crafting, but primarily a blaster from what I remember, but there was also flight and a few other utilities.
Probably a sorceress to get the closest since she had a few spells she used a lot, probably feat into some metamagic as well to make those spells scale better.

>>51721226
As a witch, you get to add two free spells to you spellbook every time you level up, in addition to getting all cantrips and a bunch of first level spells at first level. You can also get additional spells from other witches or by feeding your familiar scrolls with them.

>>51721260
Thank you, finally. is there any pointers for playing pathfinder? What to do, what not to do. How to play a good necromancer etc?

>>51721226
Okay, so.

First thing to know is that Spell Level is ENTIRELY different from Character Level.

Secondly, as a Witch, you store spells you 'know' in your Familiar. Your familiar can hold any number of different spells so no need to worry about that. Every morning you sit down and have a chat with them, and 'prepare' your spells. I'm just gonna refer to this as 'knowing' spells from now on even though that's technically something different.

Preparing is basically picking which spells you want to use that day. Since witches are Preparatory casters, they need to prepare a spell once for each time they want to use it. So if you prepare Cure Light Wounds once, you can cast it once that day. Want to use it twice, you have to prepare it twice. It's often likened to loading a gun.

The number of spells you can prepare each day is listed on your class table. You also get bonus spells per day the higher your Intelligence is. The table for that's in the ability scores section I believe. Also, as >>51721260 says, you start play knowing all 0th level spells (or cantrips), but can still only prepare so many of them each day. Upside is, a cantrip isn't expended once it's used, so you can use them as much as you want. You also start the game knowing three first-level spells, plus an additional number equal to your Intelligence modifier (So if your intelligence is 18, then you'd start off knowing four extra 1st level spells due to your +4 modifier).

Every time you level up, you learn two new spells of any level you can cast. You can also learn new spells by your familiar basically having a chat with another witch's familiar, or you can get a scroll and, if that spell is on your spell list, you can feed it to your familiar and try to teach it to them.

The PFSRD is a really good free resource. http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/witch/

It's a bit of a mess right now though, they're amid hopping to a new site. Ask if you got more questions.

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>>51721103
Hey, since you're knew, here's a guide to help you with building a first character:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12bzFGnyLO4TrOOLZ8Q1OROcB0lydVfF09JY2T1g4GxQ/edit?usp=sharing

Do I even need Charisma as a Vigilante? I do see some abilities that are Charisma-based but I'm not planning on taking those and I won't be doing much face-time.

>>51721347
If you don't care about that, then not really, nah!

>>51721347
Not really. A Vigilante could probably get away with a typical Fighter spread and just focus on leveraging their talents for value.

Though I don't know if it'd be worth playing over a Fighter before Mad Rush, and I don't know if playing a Fighter is worthwhile over Barbarian or Slayer.

>>51721345
>https://docs.google.com/document/d/12bzFGnyLO4TrOOLZ8Q1OROcB0lydVfF09JY2T1g4GxQ/edit?usp=sharing
>>51721320
Wow! Thank you so much!

>>51721347
Not especially, no. If you're planning on at least using your dual identity to some degree, it couldn't hurt to have a 12 or even a 14 there, then grabbing a rank or two in the social skills (Bluff, Disguise, Diplo) so you can at least keep up appearances to commoners.

>>51718729
pressure on its brain by its cranium.

>>51721239
magus||sorcerer

>>51718921
It's not very good. All the pitfalls of d20 with homebrew work that's about as deep and well balanced as the typical d20 core rulebook.

Try FFRPG4e

Is Alchemical Dragon crafted by Alchemy or Ship, if it's an alchemical ship?

>>51721638
I can't seem to find a single damn thing on the crafting of vehicles.

So whatever seems fitting. Mechanical is always good.

How to play a kind and secret lich?

>>51721667
>>51721638
The vehicle rules are as shallow as they are incomplete. There's even a couple of bits where you're told to reference the vehicle section in ultimate combat, and then the bits aren't there.

>>51721667
I'd say do it in two parts.

The engine is likely alchemical as that seems to cover everything up to internal combustion. Anything more advanced will be mechanical with technologist (fuck you, that worthless gate feat, FUCK. YOU.)

The main shell/parts of the vehicle (like the boat or whatever) would be ship.

And the weapons are weapons of course should you add those.

>>51721031
This comic makes me happy. I want to see Elsbeth get valentines day chocolates out the wazzo and needing a floating disk to carry it all.

>>51720557
>>51720638
But how does one give yor Lamastian broodmother baeu a baby if her baby-maker is already full?

>>51721638
Looking over the rules, I think airships are actually governed by carpentry and not ship. So assuming alchemy is wrong, I guess it'd be Craft (Carpentry)?

>>51721777
Make her double pregnant

>>51721132

...ah, I buggered up. Spell Immunity was what it was call in 3.5. I'll need to actually define it as they've removed that clause from the Spell Resistance part of the rules.

Back then it was 'Spell resistance that cannot be overcome'. It's a level 20 capstone, after all and an extrapolation on it's general 'don't care about magic' theme.

Nobility of Soul is very powerful, yes but it also arrives at level 11. Evasion has been available to classes since level 2 and the number of wis/fort spells that have minor effects on a pass is very, very minor. It's also a small thing but it only works on spells. It doesn't protect you from a Dragon's Breath or any number of supernatural or extraordinary abilities. I'll need to ponder it, however.

A feature that imposes a weakness on a class feels like rather poor game design. No one will want 'This makes you worse/more vulnerable'

Is there a particular issue with it being an initiator? It doesn't actually work with the 'Be an initiator' paladin archetype as it is now.

>>51721777
Get the baby pregnant

>>51721132
>and a lot of tables still don't allow PoW.

If they don't allow PoW they likely won't allow 'Hey I found some homebrew on 4chan' either.

>>51721887
TRIBBLES

>>51721925
An entirely new subsystem is a lot tougher to swallow than just an archetype.

You can look at the archetype and just see all that it has to offer, but if you make it an initiator, then suddenly there's ALL of that fucking material stashed in different places that someone needs to read up on and know how works.

>>51721972
The actual PoW system is like, two pages, and that includes the multi-paragraph explanations of how a strike is a strike, a counter is an immediate, a boost is a boost, and a horse is a horse, of course, of course.

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>>51720264
Summon minor monster, spell out messages of adoration in fuzzy bunnehs


Conversely Yee old note on an arrow

>>51721925
Hell a game I was looking at, someone brought up SoP and someone else called mage knight overpowered.
Makes me sad since the gm said third party case by case, and turned down SoP, pow, and psionics

>>51721876

Addendum to the comment on initiation:

Paladin is in a bit of an odd place with converting to initiator.

Smite Evil is really good. Really, really good. Keeping that along with Initiation really feels like way too much offence but it's also a limited enough use ability with limited targets so it doesn't feel like a fair trade for said initiation.

So you end up with a bit of a case of 'Smite evil isn't worth initiation BUT you can't keep smite evil in any archetype that gains initiation reasonably'. As a result, there isn't really an easy 'Convert to initiator, do nothing else' archetype you can make for Paladin.

>>51722110
Trade away smite and spells for initiation, just make sure they can get crane as it fills the murder the shit out of evil role well. Honestly I would trade spells and smite even for the max level 6 initiation that archetypes get.

>>51722132

I'd honestly call that a bit too much of a trade. The Paladin spell list is full of some absolutely stunning spells like Bestow Grace (Or it's bigger 'You are now a paladin too' upgrade) and being capped at 4th level gives you a lot of access to wands and potions for those really good spells.

DR3/- or AC+2 at level 10+?

>>51722260
AC +2 if you haven't completely dumped it before.

>>51722153
I would not, maneuvers gives you access to a fly speed, protection from evil continously, attacks that heal you in addition to doing extra damage, and that is just from crane, you can get even more utility or damage depending on the other things you get access to, also maneuvers can be used much more often then smites.
Paladins have good spells sure, but to make items out of their spells costs feats you could spend much more effectively.

>>51722316

>you access to a fly speed, protection from evil continuously.

Both of those can come from literally the same Paladin Spell. Angelic Aspect.

There isn't really anything quite like Angelic Aspect, Greater or Bestow Grace of the Champion (both are low enough level to make into wands) for 6th level initiators.

>>51722064
Plus about hundred pages of maneuvers.

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>>51722368
So no one GMs without first memorizing every single spell in the game either, then.

>>51722505
No-one except you has said anything about memorizing anything, you autistic fuck. But the GM does, in fact, have to read or at least skim that material to have some idea what an initiator is capable of. The system itself might be about two pages, but reading those two pages gives you absolutely NO useful information whatsoever unless you ALSO familiarize yourself with maneuvers.

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>>51721754

>>51722569
Yaaaaay!

Jesus Christ, I didn't expect my archetype to cause this much arguing.

>>51722557
How is that in any way different from doing it with the magic section, which has even more abstract and esoteric abilities hidden within it?

>>51722619
At least maneuvers don't have metamagic and entire schools to deal with. Your "schools" are the disciplines but aside from that there's no resistance or immunity to Mithral Current nonsense, or some vulnerability to Solar Wind.

>>51722619
It isn't, except you're going to do that with the magic section anyway, whereas if some player asks about some homebrew archetype that requires you to adapt to an entire third party subsystem, you can just say no.

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I need some input/opinions on a character I'm going to play soon. It's a ratfolk magus that has a very obvious jewish tint to it

I've got the idea after reading in some forum about a player who played a ratfolk character and got faced with ingame-racism by another player and decided to run with it. The concept seems cool and I'd like to give it a try (neither I nor any other player in my group is jewish, nor does anyone have any racist tendencies - this is just for fluff within the game)

The GM allowed me to have considerably more starting wealth than usual and some additional spells known. We also don't track encumbrance anymore. So that might explain a few things about the character sheet.

so - what do you guys think?
any suggestions or ideas - or did you find any crucial mistakes?

thanks

(also, English isn't my native language - so please excuse any weird grammar/mistakes on my part)

>>51722359
Well you get angelic aspect the earliest at level seven it lasts minutes a level, so it is good for one combat per casting, where stances you can keep up through the entire day if you want. There is a huge difference in how often you can do things, unless your gm never puts you in a situation where blowing through all your resources in a handful of combats bites you in the ass the more sustainable maneuvers will most likely serve you better.

>>51722659

I obviously want to go the dervish dancer route (my gm allows me to pretend the scimitar to be a rapier for fluff reasons ... they have pretty much identical stats anyway - other than that only the scimitar allows for the dervish dancer feat)

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>>51722645
You can disallow specific kinds of casters though, just like you can deny third party stuff.

>>51722686
And yet you're still going to have to read the spell section anyway, unless you're just going to ban casters entirely, at which point you shouldn't be playing Pathfinder in the first place.

>>51722672
This.
>"fuck you, you cannot smite a fourth time today, I don't CARE how many demon lords are coming after you, and how I hate them so much I sent you directly after them, you ran out you ran out, fuck you and die"
feels very fucking silly sometimes.

Whereas in the case of SPELLS, for the big casters, you'll run out of encounters before you run out of spells per day; hell if well optimized you'll only run out if you didn't sleep and recover them the last one or two days of such fighting!

With maneuvers, you spent it you spent it... but you can recover it. Most of the balancing is done encounter by encounter; you always have your full power to offer, but it's gated behind action restrictions and the like.

>>51722708
you could easily ban casters and use psionics or spheres. or pow. you don't HAVE to learn the spell section to play the game.

>>51722727
The real question is why you wouldn't learn the spell section, it's for the most part trivial and you can look it up anyway if you need to in play.

>>51722727
How would you even know that you SHOULD ban the spell section if you don't read it? Because autists at /pfg/ told you to?

>>51722730
it's less trivial than most of the other subsystems you're claiming are too much trouble to even learn.

>>51722736
Same reason you would know that you 'should' ban PoW if you don't read it.

"requires you to adapt an entire third party subsystem" is being touted as some sort of sacred reason why the vancian system's a better option. As if you couldn't just as easily say no to clerics because you haven't bothered with the spell section yet.

>>51722739
>you're
I'm a new IP laddio

>>51722751
you're the saddest intellectual property I've ever seen. and I've had to deal with justin bieber songs.

>>51722748
How... how is it even POSSIBLE to miss the point that badly? Are you LITERALLY retarded or something?

PoW is a third-party subsystem, and if you're not already using it(which the VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE AREN'T), then some shitty archetype made by some shitty homebrewer IS NOT SUFFICIENT REASON TO INCLUDE IT when you can just say "no, you can't use that".

I'm done talking with you, please go eat a shotgun.

>>51722771
Am I getting meme'd on

>>51722772
The vast majority of people don't use guns either is that is not really a relevant point.

>>51719476
Touhou doesn't actually know how to play pathfinder.

>>51721533
I prefer Magus||Witch because of the Hexes and Healing the Witch brings to the table.

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>>51722839
I'm not 2hufag but Touhou is based.

>>51722659
Ratfolk are basically shitty gypsies, that are even shittier gypsies than the actual gypsies in game.

>>51722869
... so the whole 'hebrew twist' does in fact fit perfectly then?

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>>51722863

So what races can get bonuses to int and cha? So far aasimar and human are what I have found, any others?

>>51722987
What did you mean by this.

In order to make a one sided "deal" with a planar bound outsider, you need:

>magic circle
>planar anchor
>planar binding
This is just to call it. You want to stand inside a magic circle focused outward and have the outsider inside a separate inward focused circle.

>eniveration
>bestow curse
These will lower it's skill checks and saves

>gaes
This will further lower it's saves and skill checks, but takes awhile.

>blindness
>improved invisibility
>telekenesis/chains of perdition
And on top of that, you need to ether only bind things that are weak enough that you aren't afraid or to keep it from targeting you with any of it's abilities. Grappling it and binding it in some adamantium chain or manacles is a good idea.

Anything I'm missing?

>>51723111
The actual text of planar binding which says: "Impossible demands or unreasonable commands are never agreed to."

>>51722998

Really makes you think.

>>51723138
As the GM, I would rule that any demand at all after you start cursing the said outsider becomes unreasonable.

>>51723127
Serving me forever as a loyal servant in a matter that they would serve their greatest love and ally isn't impossible...

Unreasonable is the sticking point. I bet that I could convince a succubus with:
>7 negative levels
>-6 wis, cha, fort, int
>-4 penalty on attack rolls, saves, ability checks, and skill checks.
>an additional -12 to all attributes
That anything I want is reasonable.

>>51723156
How would you rule on just casting gaes on something that I've bound?

I'm tempted to make the tabletop equivalent of a Sandbox MMO using Pathfinder.
Basically, adventuring parties are usually-temporary, much like forming a party in an MMO, it's just whoever's around and trying to do the same thing, meanwhile there would be other parties in the gameworld, each supervised by their own GM's and doing various world-changing things as well.
The problem I foresee with this is that for it to work, we need at least a small pool of 10 or so players to start, though I'm not against players having "alts"...

>>51723172
>Unreasonable is the sticking point. I bet that I could convince a succubus with:
Not when she she hates you with burning passion and desires naught but to make you suffer for eternity for what you've done to her. You couldn't convince her to give you a broken copper piece.

>>51723195
...You don't know how coercion works do you?

>>51723202
From metagame point of view, Planar Binding is already an extremely powerful spell and any reasonable GM will shut down attempts to abuse it the hard way.

>>51723223
>extremely powerful spell
I mean the whole point of this spell isn't to be all "look at me I have ten demons following me around making combat easy". Its to start plot hooks and expand strategic levels of power.

At the level where you are binding things, having a harem of succubuts isn't really useful for more than spying, assassinating weak opponents, and for making prude diplomatic guests uncomfortable with your open display of strange and unusual sexual acts.

I'm a DM myself, and I know the difference between "lol look at how OP i can make my character" and "this is interesting as fuck, and gives you enough plot hooks for like three years of adventures".

>>51723261
Hence "abuse" not "use"

>>51723183

That is literally a Living World.

You are talking about a Living World.

>>51723261
If it was for plot hooks then you wouldn't be summoning a succubus and you wouldn't be cursing it.

>>51723261
>At the level where you are binding things, having a harem of succubuts isn't really useful

They can give you unholy strength.

Very useful for blood money shenanigans.

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>DM has an awesome idea
>It's basically Gods made mortal only we start at level 10-20 with hefty portfolio bonuses
>Oh shit this sounds nice
>He wants to use 3.5e

Oh
OH
oh
OH
oh

>>51723293
Let's be fair, it wouldn't be any better in PF.

>>51723277
In my experience, Living worlds are limited to like one city. Not only that, but the city doesn't change, ever. I mean, a PC can't even become mayor.

>>51723183
Set it in Golarion, let players sign up with either the Pathfinder Society or the Aspis Consortium.

>>51723293
>implying there is a real difference in terms of what you are dealing with, other than dozens of ways to nitpick over class features via hard locks

>>51723285
>the succubus assassin you sent to murder the thieve's guild leader has been captured by a paladin of Iomedae.
>upon further investigation you find that the paladin has started to redeem the succubus.

>is that even possible? If they aren't inherently evil, then what does that say about how you are using them? Could you help the succubus make the paladin fall? Could you help the paladin redeem the succubus and work on redeeming others?

>>51723305
There is a difference though.

The "you get one save or you lose" was heavily reduced in pathfinder. Glitterdust didn't give you a save each round before.

Same with other spell effects. Magic has been made weaker in pathfinder, which goes to show how mindbogglingly insane it was to start with.

>>51723303
I might set it in Golarion, but it would likely lead to some lore-breaking, knowing the average Pathfinder player.

As a continuation of >>51723301 , I was planning things on a more player-powered scale. Like, a level 10 PC paying a party of level 1-2's to clear out some ruins so he can focus on more important things. The GM's are mainly there to supervise and provide the contents of said ruins.

>>51723324
Plane Shift still exist. So do a bunch of other SoL spells. Really, except for Polymorph, most of the "nerfs" magic got are cosmetic - the broken effects still exist, it's just few of the most often abused spells that were nerfed.

>>51723345
Ok listen, we are talking about glitterdust, a 2nd level spell. Yes the high level shit is still shit, but at least a level 5 wizard isn't a god yet.

>>51723357
How about Sleep, then?

Besides, seeing as the game in question is high-level, I don't see how low-levels being slightly less broken in some cases matters even if it's true.

>>51723299
>>51723305

Honestly it's mostly just system mastery at this point, since I'd rather not try to relearn the increased range of bullshit that went on with 3.5e.

Because let's be honest, Pathfinder does a lot of things wrong but at least it's an improvement over 3.5.

>>51723376
>increased range of bullshit
The only thing that Paizo changed that actually matters is that you can't apply your modifier to something more than once.
There are still low key character options from 3.5's Complete series that Paizo still hasn't picked up, like Tactical Feats.

>>51723376
>Because let's be honest, Pathfinder does a lot of things wrong but at least it's an improvement over 3.5.

Wizards didn't really need to get the ability to always win initiative, and rewarding single-classed characters and punishing dips only hurts martials. Calling Pathfinder an improvement over 3.5 is misleading, for every improvement Paizo screwed up something else even worse than WotC did.

>>51723314
Maybe you shouldn't have cursed her if you were going to use her as an assassin.

>>51723399
You obviously un-curse her after you make the "deal" you want.

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>>51718634

DID YOU KNOW...

... That Taldor has the greatest Bardic college of the Inner Sea, the Kitharodian Academy (affectionately known as the Kith), which is a secret front for the Taldan secret police, the Lion's Blades?
Source: http://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Kitharodian_Academy

... That the Taldan nobility have a long, colorful history of hiring Ulfen mercenaries as personal bodyguards, and the Grand Prince has a special attachment known as the Ulfen Guard, Varangian-esque warriors who are tasked with not just protecting the Prince, but carrying out his secret orders as individual agents?
>Source: http://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Ulfen_Guard

... That the Tandak Plains are home to great prides of lions, of which the many members of the Taldan Horse (part of the glorious Imperial Army) hunt or even tame for sport? In fact, Yanmass is a great trade city connected to the Casmaron interior, and Maheto at the foot of the World's Edge Mountains produces the finest weapons and armor outside of the Five Kings Mountains?
Source: http://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Tandak_Plains
Source: http://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Maheto

[Would you like to know more?]

>>51723398
>guys this one wizard archetype is good
remember the seven-fold viel one?

If you think that casters are not weaker in pathfinder then you must be young.

>>51723442
It's not even an archetype. And while other specializations may not be that great, they're still more than 3.5 wizard gets outside taking PrCs.

>>51723442
Remember Sacred Geometry and Blood Money?

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>>51723434
>[Would you like to know more?]
>YES

>>51723469
Ok: You do understand that in order to compare the two systems, you cant just say "hey look at this one spell!" right?

Pathfinder, as a general rule of thumb, made many of the "save or lose" spells at lower levels ether offer saves each round, or made them weaker. Solid fog, glitterdust, forcecage, etc.

Yes, some stuff slipped past the editor.

If we are going to go though every bullshit spell in ether system we will die of old age.

>>51723398
You do remember celerity right? The "every caster always goes first always" spell? The divination wizard go first ability is weaker, and less available.

Same with the immediate action teleport that conjuration wizards got. Now it's a move or something. Before you could dodge charges and shit.

>>51722659

I usually hate ratfolk but this version sounds rather cool.

>>51723504
You said 'hey look at this one prestige class' sooooo

>>51723504
>Before you could dodge charges and shit.
And now you can cast Emergency Force Sphere.

>>51723534
Because you brought up the divination wizard thing.

3.5 also has much more powerful prestige classes that gave you much more. Remember the wizards with three different prestige classes? I do.

>>51723559
Which is a spell slot, and not a 10 times a day ability. it also puts you inside a force sphere where you need to spend actions to get out of. Do you seriously think they are the same?

>>51723434
>>51723470

DID YOU KNOW...

... That the Kitharodian Academy is known as the greatest Bardic college of the Inner Sea due to their affiliation with the Lion's Blades, however the most popular (due to sheer technical skill) Bardic college is still in Oppara and known as the Rhapsodic College?
>Source: http://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Rhapsodic_College

... That the Imperial Navy hires vicious cutthroats and pirates known as the Zimar Corsairs to perform a shadow war against the Qadiran merchant marine, seeking their merchant ships wherever they may be found so as to sink them and enslave the crew?
>Source: http://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Zimar_Corsairs

... That nestled deep within the World's Edge Mountains, Taldor has an immense and ancient Tian monastery built by monks thousands of years ago, dedicated to teaching the ancient skill of martial arts to anyone who earns a place in the Dojo? Qadiran, Tian, Taldan, they all find a place together to fight together!
>Source: http://pathfinder.wikia.com/wiki/Monastery_of_the_Seven_Forms

... That the gnomish town of Wispil works closely with the Druids of the Verduran Forest to produce the majority of lumber and woodcrafts for the Empire?
>Source: http://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Wispil

... That the port city of Cassomir stands as the second greatest settlement in the Empire, and in fact is the dockyards for the Imperial Navy and port for the vast majority of Taldan trade in the Inner Sea?
>Source: http://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Cassomir

>>51723504
>Yes, some stuff slipped past the editor.
No, that stuff was purposefully made, anon.
They brought down some spells somewhat, but offered other ways for spellcasters to remain a dominant force via easily abusable feats and acfs.
>celerity
Has a fairly stiff drawback that requires investment in order for the spell to not possibly get you killed. Nerveskitter and some dex was better for cheaper.
>abrupt jaunt
Was rarely seen in actual play, because you needed to be one of the rarely played varieties of focused wizard, and abrupt jaunt was not as usual as a larger spell list.

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>>51723576
>not a 10 times a day ability
Abrupt Jaunt was equal to int mod, and only moved you 15 feet within los and loe.
It was a good save my ass button at early levels, but after level 5, you didn't need it all that much.

>>51723576
Nope, I literally just joined in this to remind you that Sacred Geometry exists.

>>51723590
>because you needed to be one of the rarely played varieties of focused wizard,
you mean the wizard who actually had forbidden spells and who didn't have infinite detect magic?

Candle of invocation-tier things like blood money shouldn't count.

>>51723611
Yea and it was an immediate action. You could easily break line of sight or dodge attacks with it. It was busted.

>>51723623
No one has forgotten that that abonmination exists.

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>>51723609

DID YOU KNOW...

... That Sarenrae worship is outlawed in the Empire, as it is primarily associated with the Keleshite ethnicity and thus Qadira?

... That only the senatorial or royal classes are allowed to grow beards?

.... That Father Basri is the last great Archbishop of Aroden, and in fact looks over one of the few temples that still worship the Last Azlanti?

... That I am going to upload the pdf for Taldor and share it with you, so that all might get a chance to read more about the most illustrious and thrice-gloried Empire that civilized Avistan?

PDF: https://www.docdroid.net/1NLuTDU/pzo9405-taldor-echoes-of-glory.pdf.html

>>51723692
bless

>>51723692
What is taldor?

>>51723692
You are a wonderful person, anon. Thank you.

>>51723261
>We will certainly negotiate upon these terms, ambassador... but first... THE WHORES!!!!
>This is unacceptable! Disgusting! Your crass and purile attempt at winning us over with these sexual temptations will not be taken lightly!
>Oh?
>It's dinner, *THEN* the whores!

>>51723736
>>51723698

Fair bit of warning, the book is old as hell and much has been expanded on concerning Taldor in later books, I'll take a look at anything else that focuses on Taldor and try to post what I find.

>>51723727

Nothing but a collection of stones and lines on a map.

Everything.

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>>51722613
Have more drake!Elsbeth too, 'cause bored and I'm still playing with the idea. May/may not be messing around with alternate horns or whatnot.

And something a little extra.
http://i.imgur.com/GzagsKr.png

>>51723747
Why not have dinner and the whores simultaneously? That's how the ancients did it.
On a similar note, decadent nobles are getting passe. Ever tried a decadent non-evil cleric? Pathfinder has so many degenerate gods that there's bound to be a suitable patron.

>>51723692
>he forgot that the Unbearded were retconned out
t. Amber Scott

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>>51723777
>I'll take a look at anything else that focuses on Taldor and try to post what I find.

Did you know that the haughty nobility of Taldor turn their nose at Aasimar births, for it represents a muddied bloodline (even if that bloodline is glorious?) However, hypocrites that they are, Aasimar are still highly valued and desirable as bards, lovers, and courtiers?

>Pic related represents one of two mentions of Taldor in the book "Knights of the Inner Sea," with the second mention being the Taldor Jennet, an intelligent breed of horse that can learn 8 animal tricks as opposed to the typical 6.

In fact, I'm going to post Knights of the Inner Sea too - this stuff is just too good for an exemplar of Taldor (it's even got explanations on how to get monstrous mounts like Pegasus or Griffons.)

>Knights of the Inner Sea: https://www.docdroid.net/RiMF4A6/pzo9426-knights-of-the-inner-sea.pdf.html

>>51723910

The best part about "revisions" in the Lore is that you can ignore them!

>>51723905
Eh, good fellow, do you have an imgur of your Elsbeth art?
I have found myself charmed and entertained by her as a character I don't fap to her, she has puffies, man, that kills the boner and you aren't always about.

WHAT IS ABSALOM WORTH?

>>51724046

Nothing!

EVERYTHING.

At level 16 with a elderich heratige robe an arcane bloodline sorcerer can spend 3rd level spell slots instead of charges when using items.

The most obviously stupid use of this is a staff of wish, but what are some good non-custom uses of this?

>>51723905
I want to fondle her belly, it looks so soft!

>>51724046

There's a hole in the world like a great black pit
and the vermin of the world inhabit it
and its morals aren't worth what a pig could spit
and it goes by the name of Absalom.

>>51724065

>All of the "crusades" are fought against literal demons on some stretch of territory no one actually gives a fuck about

for what purpose

>>51724100

Because a genuine war against two great powers would mean Paizo has to advance the plot, and by putting the rancid oozing demon anus in Ireland they ensured nobody would be adversely effected.

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>>51723991
Here's a handful that I cobbled together. There's a bunch more I don't have in there, but it's a start.
http://imgur.com/a/zJiYK

>>51724074
l00d

>>51724122
>looks thru it
>prototype Elsbeth was not titty monster
>happy test type was well received
>find out Elsbeth was ded, sadness
>stoned pun made me giggle a little
>not all of it, "bunch more"
>no picture of head pats

>>51724122
I would tie her down in an anti magical zone and blow raspberries on that tummy

How much AC should I have as a frontline melee fighter at level 8?

>>51724256

The rule of thumb is level+15=AC

>>51724256
15+level is acceptable AC, 20 + level is good.

>>51724275
>>51724274
Thanks.

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>>51724179
..Or at least I'd like to think I'd have a bunch more. Somewhere. But I find that the majority of it is old and.. ech. Case in point.

>no headpats
Also semi-related; no headpats, but have a thing. Might be worth noting that Elsbeth doesn't really like being touched.

>>51724256
I believe the general consensus for really solid AC for a front-like/melee character would be 20+character level, but it may vary.

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>>51723692

>Warder doesn't learn a 5th level stance until level 11
Am I really gonna have to take Advanced Study at level 9?
Yeesh.

>>51724286
>picture of cheek smooshes
>smile to myself, I do this to my gf because she has full cheeks and high cheekbones
>he says it's "ech"
Take that back, you whore, or I'll have my cat piss in your closet.
>>51724295
It isn't that important, anon.

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So I'm trying to do some work on an unchained Magus. What would you guys want to see out of a magus fix? Some of things I'm trying to accomplish
>less emphasis on DEX by giving medium and heavy armor proficiency off the bat, and offering later options to potentially use spell combat with 2h weapons
>making various elemental arcana to give roughly the same experience as SPELLCOMBATSHOCKINGGRASPSPELLSTRIKE without the magus having to load their prepared spells down with 20 different versions of the same exact spell
>rule that states while spell combat induces penalties on attack rolls like it's two weapon fighting, it is not considered two-weapon fighting and you are considered to have a free hand even when using spell combat.

>>51724324
>It isn't that important, anon.
It gives me a fly speed, of course it's that important.

>>51724328
Talents/arcana that mutate spells based on their schools, kind of in the same vein as metamagic.

>>51724329
You can't wait until level 11 for a fly speed?

>>51718634

>Level 8 gestalt
>Not level 9 so we get 5th level maneuvers and an extra feat

[Autistic Screeching]

>>51724362
The road from level 9 to 11 is nebulous, long, and possibly infinite. What if I desperately need it at some point along that journey? What if I never get to 11 at all?

>>51724382
If your DM is so much a cunt to throw a situation at you that NEEDS at will flight, then he is simply a cunt.
At will flight is a level 12 ability by wbl rules, I believe, anyway.

>>51724362
Can your love interest wait to be thrown off an airship until you hit level 11?

>>51724421
There are many situations where being able to fly will create an extremely good outcome, but it's not MANDATORY that you do so.

>>51724422

Airships aren't real.

>>51724441
Yes they are.
They're statted and everything.

>>51724231
Oooh gosh so lewd

What's the highest level an enemy should be for the players to have a reasonable chance of defeating it? APL + 4?

>>51724470
Depends.
If you give your players time, resources and contacts they can "reasonably" defeat something 10 levels above them. If they're clever enough.

>>51724439
So get that handy buff from your local caster.
or use some of the Eternal Guardian teleports your maneuvers give you for trollface effects

>>51724492
I wouldn't be complaining about having to take Advanced Study for it if we had a caster, anon.
I'm lying, I would be. The stance is extremely fitting for my character's flavor.

Would it make sense for a sorcerer to blow all their remaining lvl 1 slots before sleeping on casting mage armor on everyone who is on the watch order before him?

>>51724527
Generally people on watch ought to be wearing armor, so it wouldn't do anything.
If they're not, then sure.

>>51724452

Nu uh!

Is it just me or is there absolutely no reason to ever full-attack as a Warder?
Even as a Dervish Defender, Defensive Focus is so, so good, and you can just use strikes to deal damage in a 1 on 1 situation.

>>51724515

In that case, wouldn't you just end up getting it anyway?

>>51724515
Anon, you are spending a feat to get something you would anyway for what amounts to a convenience.
>>51724567
Sometimes you got some shit that's gonna do the work better.

>>51724567
Full attack will still deal more damage than strikes, unless you're using strikes that emulate full attack. Remember that "dead" is the best status condition you can hit an enemy with.

>>51724544
Does mage armor just give a flat +4 misc bonus to AC?

>>51724581
>Anon, you are spending a feat to get something you would anyway for what amounts to a convenience.
This assumes the game will actually survive the, like, 8 months it will take to go from level 9 to 11.
Also, if I get this now I can get a second 5th level stance at 11.

>>51724598

Mage Armor is a +4 armor bonus to AC

>>51724590
With a full attack the best you can do is give "Dead" to 4 or 5 mooks, or 1-2 real enemies per turn.
With defensive focus and/or strikes you can neuter every motherfucker in the room, setting up your party to debuff them with "Dead" very easily and safely.
I think that's fine for a control-type character to focus on doing.

>>51724590
This is mightily assuming you can reach the foes first, or you want to be in a position to use your class features (near allies).
Anon, your white room ideals fail in the face of actual games. I am playing a warder, we were just on a boat attacked by fish people. Defensive Focus allowed me to slap their shit as they came from the water onto the boat, buff my teammates if they survived/evaded me, and allowed me to murder them when they tried to flee.
>>51724607
Armor bonuses do not stack from different sources, only highest counts.

>>51724638
And it usually is, but there are still situations where you're better off just KILLING the said enemy before they get another chance to act.

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Oh what is this...
Hmmm...........

>>51724701
oh for fuck's sake

>>51724701
tabletop games were a mistake

>>51724690
And in those situations, a warder is still free to full attack, too.

>>51724751
Which is when they would instead of using Defensive Focus. There's your answer.

>>51724751
The question at hand is "Is it just me or is there absolutely no reason to ever full-attack as a Warder?", idiot.

If I, as a Brawler, flex into Advanced Study to get a stance, I can just use the stance, right? Like, you don't have to ready stances, so it should work fine, no?

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FUCK CRs lower than 1

>>51724903
You have to take a swift action to enter a stance. Also brawler doesn't qualify for advanced study by itself, you'll need to use martial training I & II

>>51724934
I don't understand

>>51724934
isnt CR lower than one like
house cats
and normal rats
and like
juvenile goblins

what are you even doing

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>>51724701

>>51725054

CR 1/2 is actually APL - 2 vs a level 1 party

Is there any way to get Quick Draw aside from class features or actually taking it?
Like, a magical scabbard or something?

>>51724701
Road Roll this.
Elsbeth
And every spastic waste of time game that these generals product of a tortured brain had spawned.

>>51725101
The new training enchantment

>>51725112
i'm not entirely capable of deciphering your incoherent drivel but if you're talking shit about elsbeth you're gonna catch my motherfucking hands, shithead

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>>51724328
That depends on what your goals are besides the barebones. What you've got so far sounds pretty okay. You know the biggest problems with magus from what I can tell, so it shouldn't be too hard to unfuck it. Big problems right off the bat in a stream of consciousness vomit, including the ones you've said you want to fix:
>Medium/Heavy armor both come online way too fucking late
>everybody is shoehorned into a 18/20 weapon, and Dex Magi basically only have the Scimitar if the GM doesn't houserule
>80% of Arcana are underwhelming as fuck, like, you've got some really nice ones in there but nothing besides maybe Familiar and Spell Blending is really that exciting RIP Arcane Deed, you used to be rad
>Tying into the above, the Arcane Pool weapon special qualities need more variety, and getting more on your list shouldn't require you to spend MORE pool points or be a fucking Gnome of all things
>seriously what the fuck paizo, the gnome FCB implies one Arcana is worth 6 weapon qualities that don't cost an extra pool point, why the FUCK DOES ONE QUALITY COST AN ARCANA + EXTRA POOL POINT!?
>Pool Strike is a cool ability in theory, but it's too expensive. Take that as you will
>If you plan to do ANYTHING related to spheres, you need to straight up overhaul the entire class from the ground up to be built for Spheres, and the Arcana part becomes DOUBLY important if you plan on using Sphere Magus as a basis for anything

>>51724328
In all honesty I don't think you can fix Magus

>>51725135
Those callous hands made by hours wanking at Donut Steel you miserable excuse of homo sapiens that should had been throw into a latrine at the very same day he was born?

>>51725129
Care to elaborate?
Can't find it on pfsrd.

>>51723586

I want to make a vicious Zimarian Corsair captain assigned to play nice with the people of Avistan!

What does everyone else want to make for this campaign, using the information we've gleaned about Taldor? Tell me! Tell me!

>>51725166
Because it's brand spanking new.

A weapon with the training enhancement imparts one feat on the wielder.

>>51725165
>Donut Steel
Are you really saying that a character made for a roleplaying game is in the same league as a recolored Sonic the Hedgehog, you father of a thousand rodents?

>>51725175
Whoa.
Is that a +3 or what?
Where is it in, anyway?

>>51725180
Yes you offspring of one thousand fathers son of a mother with a vagina capable of use the two Death Stars and Starkiller base as objects of sexual self gratification.

>>51725199
Inner Sea Intrigue

>TRAINING
>PRICE +1 bonus CL 3rd
>AURA faint transmutation
>Popular among those who seek to impersonate skilled warriors, a training weapon grants one combat feat to the wielder as long as the weapon is drawn and in hand. The feat is chosen when this special ability is placed on the weapon. That feat cannot be used as a prerequisite for any other feats and functions for the wielder only if she meets its prerequisites. Once chosen, the feat stored in the weapon cannot be changed.
>CONSTRUCTION REQUIREMENTS COST >+1 bonus
>Craft Magic Arms and Armor, magic weapon, creator must have the chosen combat feat and its prerequisites

>>51725210
Anon, you're becoming less and less comprehensible. At least try to use punctuation.

Anyway, let me end this once and for all.
You are a... a... double nigger

>>51725175
>weapon grants weapon proficiency with itself
So that's how the FF1 Masmune worked.

>>51725239
You are a triple kobold.

>>51725230
Wow, that's fucking fantastic!
And also doesn't work for Quick Draw at all.
But still, fucking fantastic!

>>51725251

>And also doesn't work for Quick Draw at all.

que?

>>51725249
ALRIGHT
THAT'S IT
ENOUGH
I'M ENDING THIS FOR REAL

ANON
YOU ARE A SWASHBUCKLER/CHAINED MONK MULTICLASSING ORC

>>51725251
Get quick draw gauntlets, wear them all the time.

>>51725266
The weapon needs to be drawn to grant the feat, so Quick Draw doesn't do anything on a weapon.

>>51724567
You've found the ideal goal of Path of War, anon; the maneuvers aren't meant to be used solely as full-attack buffs, you're supposed to be using strikes to replace them. It's not OPTIMAL in damage, but it is the intention.

Wait, so, I'm a bit confused.
A +2 longsword costs 8000gp, yes?
That means a +1 flaming longsword also costs 8000gp, correct?

>>51725247
It makes exotic weapons a lot easier to get a hold of. DMs can throw a cool weapon that grants its own proficiency into loot piles now.

>>51725318
Yes.

>>51725318
Yes

>>51725318
Yes

>>51725141
Pool strike was actually something I intended to focus on, basically replacing shocking grasp as the de-facto damage-dealer. I agree with the magus basically being locked into 18-20 weapons for endless crit-fishing, but it's hard to find any way of actually fixing this problem without removing the feature outright.

If I make it adjust with critical multiplier, the Falcata will become the king instead of whatever 18-20/x2 weapons the magus would use instead. If I based it solely off of handedness, then the greatsword would, as usual, be the only weapon anyone would ever use because why the fuck would you bother with any other 2h weapon.

If the Magus WERE to lose the ability to crit with spells on spellstrike, what would be a good tradeoff for this? Removing the attack roll penalty from spell combat might be a start, but that seems like a really weak trade considering shocking grasp was basically a +4 to hit against any humanoid enemy.

>>51725342
Thanks.

>>51725343
Thanks.

>>51725346
Thanks

>>51725318
Correct. The "Flaming" property is worth the equivalent of a +1 bonus, but cannot be added to a weapon unless the weapon is already a +1. Therefore, a +2 and a +1 Flaming cost the same. Similarly, a +3, a +2 Flaming, and a +1 Flaming Keen weapon all cost the same as well.

>>51725318
No, it costs 8315
15gp for longsword,
300gp for masterwork,
8000 for enhancements

>>51725364
p sure masterwork is already factored into the initial 2k for +1

>>51725325
>pick up a katana
>+1 training katana
>Exotic Weapon Proficiency
>F A L C A T A

>>51725157
It's not really that hard senpai

>>51725353

You're welcome.

>>51725387
Oh it is hard
It is only easy if you cheat and just make it wizard that gets to cheat action economy by casting spells and hitting stuff at the same time

>>51725381

DID YOU KNOW...

... The national weapon of Taldor is the Falcata, and traditionally fought with a buckler and light armor in a style known as the Rondelero?

>>51725381

k e k
e k e