So 40k is going in that direction eh?

>>51703208
>Obvious attempt to sell models by just saying;
>"Fuck it just throw it all in a blender"
Worked for imperials with their KnightMarine armies so why not.

>>51703223
It doesn't even seem to save money.
Which is the worst part.

>>51703269
These never do. It's only the stuff that comes together in a box that does like battleforces and boxed games.

Forgeworld sells some good bundle deals though, oddly enough. They had one that essentially gave you a free titan.

>>51703269
the bundles arent money savers. youre thinking of the start collecting and 2 player boxes

>>51703657
If they aren't money savers then why would you ever buy one?

AGE
OF
GIRLYMAN

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>>51704417
You shouldn't. You should be buying the specific stuff you want individually, and ideally via your FLGS. They do occasionally make army boxes that are a discount, but they tend to sell out pretty quickly.

>>51704417
Because you're retarded and/or clueless, which GW is counting on.

>>51703279

Didn't you have to spend like £8000...

>>51705709
Well, if you buy stuff from GW, that's a safe bet.

>>51703208
Welcome to EoT and AoS of 40k
Please enjoy your stay.

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>tfw GW once again misses the point and makes it cartoony instead of a blend of grim-dark realism with over-the-top 80's sci-fi tropes and dark humor
God fucking damnit

No-one used allies as part of their armies because you still had to take the 1HQ/1Troop tax.
Formations allowed you to include other arimes units while somewhat being effective. Though most of the time you still had to take a tax unit with each formation.
The new detachments allow you to take units you want without tax, are fluffy and include some nice rules too.

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>>51703208
Do you really think GW is stupid enough to destroy a 30 years old setting to create a brand new and weird universe instead of updating the game in a proper way?

It's hard to believe that there are people who buy this shit.

>>51703208
They've been heading in this direction for the better part of a decade, anon.

>>51710388
IMA assume people bought this for the 50 limited signed Art cards and not for the models.

>>51710381
at this point dissolving GW and selling the setting to the video game company that made DoW would probably be better for the setting than the current trajectory

>>51710381
Yes.

>>51710381
>Do you really think GW is stupid enough to destroy another 30 years old setting to create a brand new and weird universe instead of updating the game in a proper way?

>>51708676
Not gonna say it was cheap, but it did come out to a completely free warhound.

>>51704491
Aaaand his Guillimarines

>>51710381
No anon, they won't make two new universes, they'll just fold 40k into Age of Sigmar

>>51703208
>Forgeworld sells some good bundle deals though, oddly enough. They had one that essentially gave you a free titan.
wtf, those are the old metal harlequins.

>>51711460
and the jetbike bundle has the old as fuck eldar jetbikes in the main picture.

>>51710381
Yes.

>>51703208
Well I guess it's no matter how Gathering Storm ends, with all those gods and primarchs, our old 40k doomed anyway.

At this point I'm pretty much convinced that GW wants to emulate what Privateer Press has with Warmachine and Hordes. They're going to make AoS and nü40k completely compatible game systems that function more like a single ruleset with an informal high-tech/low-tech faction divide.

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>>51703208
>Reborn Warhost, a detachment from The Gathering Storm: Fracture of Biel-Tan that combines some of the deadliest Aeldari miniatures from the Eldar, Dark Eldar and Harlequins ranges into one combined army.
>deadliest Aeldari miniatures
>not a single Wraithknight

>>51711460
>old metal harlequins

not quite, but they are the old finecast harlequins

>>51710232
>>tfw GW once again misses the point
They didn't missing

>>51710673
>Guillimarines
Draigodins

>>51704417
>then why would you ever buy one?
Because you must support your hobby

>>51711670
This, brothers; this.
>>51711925
This is what a cuck sounds like.

>>51711925
>Because you must support your hobby
You do that by buying from the store you play at.

>>51711670
shit.

I really hadn't considered this and it makes just enough sense to worry me.

Can I have a quick rundown on why there are so many wharhammer generals ?

>>51710512

Do you have any idea how bady nuRelic is fucking up Dawn of War 3?

>>51714240
Why must things go to shit? Like, every fucking time, it starts good, but then jumps the shark and shits the bed. Why can't good things stay good?

>>51710381

GW are only interested in new customers, their target demographic is new players for their first 18 months of playing. GW view old long-time players who've been playing for many years as a toxic part of the fanbase that does nothing but complain.

Remember how GW treated old WFB players? How they up-front admitted that the goofy "twirl your moustache for in-game bonuses! XDDDD" rules were written to shame WFB players into not playing it any more and picking up AoS instead?

GW would absolutely take a giant dump all over 40k because they don't care about the long term fanbase. They care about the next batch of 18 monthers, and that's it. For them it's win-win: they get a product line where they actually hold copyright to all the names, and also all the angry grognards will fade away.

>>51715312

Entropy, m'boy.

>>51715607
Entropy is slow, tho....this is accelerated entropy, entropy driven by deliberate thought and action. Like, DoW 1 was a huge hit and almost universally praised. So, what do they do? They fucking CHANGE IT! I mean, I just don't understand the mindset: product A worked great, let's make totally unrelated product B!
wtf?!?

>>51704417
They make very good Christmas presents. They're about the right price point for new players birthday gifts or main presents for family members who you know play but no idea what they place outside of "the blue armoured guys.. oh yea those ones"

>>51715585
>>51715764
These guys know what's what, at least so far as geedubs shenanigans go. They only want normie monies from soccer moms and grandmas and juniors spending their allowance. They want to dig out of the doldrums of neckbeardliness and enter the shining light of mainstream corporate bliss.

>>51715585
just because i was out the loop for a while. How did GW treat WFB?

>>51715987
What's WFB????

>>51715987
They killed it.

>>51715987
Squatted the entire setting to make room for Age of Sigmar.

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Someone post the kits they're going to sell at Wal-Mart

>>51715868 #

>>51716069
So it's completely not supported at all? Like no replenishment of stock?

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>>51716082
You can also simply go to Wal-Mart's website and buy regular kits.

Tau are on reduced price right now.

>>51703208
So, under these death metal elf rules, can you put those Avengers in the Raider?

>>51715987
They had an apocalypse story event for 1-2 years. The world ended and a space dragon met up with Sigmar who then created magical realms where there is eternal war between the factions. It was the only way to stop Chaos from winning completely.

In real terms? Completely shit canned, dropped all support.

>>51716105
Pretty much. Stuff that got rolled into AoS is still around but everything else is gone entirely.

Like the entirety of Bretonnia and the Tomb Kings for example.

>>51716082
>>51716135
THE END TIMES ARE UPON US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
40K IS DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Long live the shiny new pleb-friendly game of power action super robots.

>>51716219
>>51716342
Thats dreadful. I'm sad for my little Bretonnia army. Is 40k going to be kill?

>>51716426
>Is 40k going to be kill?
Not in the same way, no.

>>51715987
Murdered it instead of reforming the rules.

>>51716400
That's insulting towards Gunpla.

>>51715987

They killed off the setting, and did so with a set of 'End Times' rules that included ridiculous shit like this:

>You can re-roll any failed hit rolls when attacking with the Runefang so long as you have a bigger and more impressive moustache than your opponent.

They are quite open that these stupid rules are intended to make the game embarrassing, to drive players towards the new model range.

No game devs with any integrity would make rules like this. This is pure sales department bullshit, and it's why the games are going bad.

>>51715585
>GW view old long-time players who've been playing for many years as a toxic part of the fanbase that does nothing but complain.

Are they wrong?

>>51717145
Yes, because kids seeing the old-timers playing in the store is what gets them hooked.
Without an established gaming community to embrace new players, new players can't do shit.
Geedubs is dead and they don't even know it...

>>51717335
>even in the post trying to claim he's not a toxic whining faggot who does nothing but complain. he manages to be a toxic whining faggot who does nothing but complain

Yeah, you're so right.

>>51717430
Woa woa woa there buddy! Your comprehension is waay off: why you strawman me, faget? Why you say what ain't true?
I stated, in direct response to your query, that geedubs IS in fact wrong. THEN I said why. And my why had nothing to do with claiming i wasn't a toxic faggot. Try to reed harder, kid.

>>51717430
>if you don't agree with GW at 100% you are toxic!
GW logic
Also, to sell products well, without established community, they need popular franchise and good marketing (to force customers to buy not only minis, but all this Citadel crap called "hobby tools")..

>>51712311
>This is what a cuck sounds like.
Tha'ts how GW sees you, but you are a good boy who doesn't want to find his favorite army in "Last Chance to buy" section, aren't you?

>>51718110
>I'm totally not toxic and if you call me toxic just because I'm toxic you're just a GW shill!

You trying to say /tg/ isn't a toxic cesspool, faggot?

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>>51718347
>>I'm totally not toxic and if you call me toxic just because I'm toxic you're just a GW shill!
>toxic
>toxic
>toxic
>toxic cesspool,

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>>51717335

I warmheartedly disagree.
Most veterans are bloated socially awkward neckbeards with no real knowledge on how to act outside their basement. Oh, and more than often, they do smell.... like bad!

If your telling me THIS is what gets kids hooked now days, I say "kidults" is probably a majority of the fanbase, and if your one of those "normies" you can laugh yourself lucky because we are few apart.

>>51718598
>Most veterans are bloated socially awkward neckbeards with no real knowledge on how to act outside their basement. Oh, and more than often, they do smell.... like bad!
>source: my ass

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>implying 40k can compete with Star Wars for "kids" audience

>>51716135
you got a link or something i cant find it on walmart.

>>51718384

Read the conversation dipshit, I'm just using the terminology they brought up.

>>51718756
Yeah nad you using it unironically.
Meanwhile if /tg/ such toxic place why are you here?

>>51718716
https://www.walmart.com/c/brand/warhammer

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>>51717335
>Geedubs is dead and they don't even know it...
How many years have we been saying this, and yet they just recovered from a multi-year slump? Stop with that shit line, seriously.

>>51718915
>and yet they just recovered from a multi-year slump?
Well nope, they recovered from previous year downfall.

>>51711670

I can see why they'd do it.

Theoretically it expands the playerbase of both games and reduces the the in house complexity of designing and balancing heh heh for two separate systems. Then you have armies like Chaos and Orks that you could market models that would fit in either setting.

I really can't say if it's a good idea, but from a business standpoint it's pretty sound.

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>>51718915
>Stop with that shit line, seriously.
How about no?

>>51718906
legit af

>>51718194
I don't support an ass company by throwing all my monies at it, kid. And I don't defend the company that's raping my ass: that's what cucks do.
>>51718347
Ooh, moving goalposts now, eh? Hahahahaa, loser.
>>51718598
Your post fills my head with fuck. Go to bed, you're over-tired and not making any damned sense. Come back fresh tomorrow.
>>51718756
>toxic toxic toxic
A-are you having a stroke, anon?

>>51710232
What is creativity? You know you can totally just make up your own cosmic horror fluff. Check out ExProfundis. The WH universe in general is literally large enough for anything to be possible. If youre looking for ultra grim and ultra dark, make up a forgotten forgeworld teetering on the edge of existence in a warp scar. Or a really fucked up rampant mutation gnawing through a royal court of oligarchs turning them all into psychers leading to a complete upending of the entire planet

>>51719201
Literally anything is possible. Those are probably bad ideas but still. The universe is as big as you will it to be

>>51719201
>You know you can totally just make up your own cosmic horror fluff.
And he is also can just make his own setting

>>51715717
The change they proposed originally was orgasmic. Take one of the best strategy games around and adapt it to use the best strategy games' engine? If they kept large unit sizes and base building, it would have been great. It at least has some fun in it though.

>>51716803
>2017
>people are still butthurt over the obvious joke rules

A U T I S M
U
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I
S
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>>51719201
>The WH universe in general is literally large enough for anything to be possible.
Yeah current WH universe.
Not to mention that the same was proposed to WHFB player, but what's the point if the rest of setting now feels so sterile.

>>51718655
It can't, they are still reeling from the X-wing debacle.

The barrier of entry is too low for GW to earn a profit now and the casual miniature games market has been flooded (god knows they can't build for competitive formats).

>>51719362
>y-y-you should enjoy how we mocking you into a shit

>>51703269

Eh, they have tried to spice it up a few times in the past with exclusive rules and even now signed art prints.

>>51715585

>How they up-front admitted that the goofy "twirl your moustache for in-game bonuses! XDDDD" rules were written to shame WFB players into not playing it any more and picking up AoS instead?

No, they written because they thought Fantasy players could take a joke. So many bemoaned Fantasy apparently losing humor and becoming more like 40k and yet when they got silly humor they were insulted. Said people didn't know what they wanted other than to bitch.

>>51716803

Those weren't part of the End Times rules though, but the AoS compendiums that came out and which were meant to be used with AoS rules. Proof that you and the Anon above don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

>>51719375
You deserve to be mocked

Getting rid of you autistic retards was the best business decision GW ever made

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>>51710232
>tfw GW once again misses the point and makes it cartoony
You mean like 40K has always been?

>>51719377
>they thought Fantasy players could take a joke.
Like a proud cucks?
>>51719386
>You deserve to be mocked
And that's how FFG deserved my money.
>Getting rid of you autistic retards was the best business decision GW ever made
Well, good luck to compete with Activision and Disney for normies money.

>>51719386
>Getting rid of you autistic retards was the best business decision GW ever made

That is the absolute worst thing they could make, that's like the whole fucking fan base.

Normal people think chainswords and tin-can robots are gaudy trash, whose ironic humor loses its value after the first 4 minutes.
Only Aspies take this death metal shit serious enough to spend money on it.

>>51719402
Of you mean oldhammer it never tried to be serious, and it was mostly satyric than cartoony.

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>>51719429

Considering that DoW apparently did reasonably well, I think 40k can appeal well enough to certain types of people. The problem is getting those people to buy models which is somewhat hard given that they're not exactly cheap and you have to both put them together and paint them yourself. Even harder if said people are just interested for display purposes when you have things for display purposes that can be bought put together and painted for the same or slightly more than what GW charges.

>>51719489

You say this and yet older material seemed to take itself seriously enough. It makes more than a funny name for an Inquisitor or a type of xeno fauna ending up in bathrooms to convince people your not serious when you write about such things as the departments of a fictional government and another dimension and the denizens that reside in it in some detail.

>>51719546
>Considering that DoW apparently did reasonably well, I think 40k can appeal well enough to certain types of people.
Yeah in 2004.
>You say this and yet older material seemed to take itself seriously enough.
Where?

>>51719582

>Where?

I've perused all three of the Index books GW has released so far, in which are contained some of the bedrock material for 40k from Rogue Trader and the Realms of Chaos books. I recall very little "silly so random XD" humor from any of them. Off the top of my head the only example that comes to mind is possibly an accompanying story from WD to the introduction of the Grey Knights where perhaps some the characters involved had slightly humorous names or means of interaction or in the case of the Chaos mutants their appearance could be said to be slightly humorous. The story still ended with the planetary governor from it musing that his aide will have to be killed because he saw the Grey Knight in action and that knowledge has its price.

>>51719669
Well I didn't read this tory, so I cannot say for sure, but IMO violence and killing doesn't mean "serious" by default.
Oldhammer never was "cartoony" (I mean just look at Blanche's art it's hard to call cartoonish) it was mix of sci-fi tropes and mocking about them, in 3-4 th editions it was replaced by grim-darkness, but again it wasn't cartoony.

>>51719669
Read Gorkamorka and tell me the 40k setting is mostly serious in tone.

>>51719742

I hope you're not trying to imply that Orks in current 40k are somehow serious. If they appear that way it's because GW has unfortunately gotten away from doing books that look into culture and such and are solely focused on giving you the overall gist of certain things and battles. If you want anything about culture you have to go looking for it in BL books. Engine of Mork is told from an Ork perspective and show the humorous side of them off well enough. Evil Sunz Rising may as well, but I've yet to read it.

>>51719281
>product A was perfect!
>I know! Let's completely change it!
>Great idea!!!!!!!!

>>51719869

I can see why Relic did what they did if their goal with DoW2 was to be closer to how 40k is played and its lore. Most armies either don't bother with buildings, use existing ones, or drop prefabricated stuff.

>>51719938
YOu still seem to be missing the point - why on earth change what is a proven winner??????

>>51719959
Becuase it's not 00's anymore

>>51719962
I'm not talking about NOW, I'm talking about THEN. DoW 2?? Try to keep up, eh?

>>51719959

As far as I'm aware it takes a decent amount from Company of Heroes and that series was supposedly well received. That it was and just so happened to fit 40k lore better likely seemed perfect to Relic.

>>51719365
>whats the point of my fanfic if it will never be canon?
Doesnt have to be sterile. If you cant co.e up with anything then maybe its time to read more books

>>51720015
le sigh....
WHY would they even bother to think they need to improve it????? WHY would they even begin to think that they need to look at some other game to improve their own???????
At this point, I'm merely asking hypothetically: you don't have to answer.

>>51720002
>THEN. DoW 2??
Because CoH was amazing.

>>51719834
Yeah GW even tried making Orks menacing in their latest novel series the beasy rised, but it fell flat on its face and they just ended up (intentionally or otherwise) being comical green cockney hooligans breaking shit. Orks are the farthest from scary you could go

>>51720036

The whole thing about their headcanon not being canon is why I think so many people complain about change and are fine with 40k remaining stagnant. Most things of importance that happened in the setting where likely already in place when they joined and thus they accepted them as part of the overall package.

Admittedly I can sympathize if someone has put a lot of thought into their army and changes that happen screw with it, though with what has recently happened in 40k I don't think there have been any events that completely invalidate certain concepts and simply can't be incorporated.

>>51720056

Relic made Company of Heroes.

>>51720096

The Beast Arises was I guess partly their attempt at explaining how Orks could prove to be such a threat whereas before only Ghazghkull seems to have fit the bill because of his particular talents. On the surface it's also another way of looking at Orks and seeing what would happen if they were more cohesive and made use of the advanced technology that Meks are theoretically capable of.

>>51720096
>Yeah GW even tried making Orks menacing in their latest novel series the beasy rised

Nope, they just wrote the Orks from the perspective of the Imperium. All books before and after the Beast Series that have only Imperium or other race perspective of the Orks show them as horrible monsters. The Beast series was in no way unique in that regard. This shows that you don't read much BL.

And seeing the demand and interest in /tg/ and other forums for the Beast series, it looks like they succeed

>>51719834
That's the point I'm making, 40k ISNT serious, orks are the least serious. It's not unserious in the lolsorandumb way, it's unserious in the same way as the expendables. It's way over the top and pokes fun at the edgy grim darkness that started to gain ground in the 80's and just kept growing through the years. 40k is SUPPOSED to be satire via hyperbole.

>>51718958

GW comes in second only to fucking star wars...

Which just had 2 movies put our recently and has a TV show that puts many of the ships from the FFG game into the show so when the kids see them at the store they order mommy to buy it.

Not a bad showing at all by GW really. not bad at all.

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>>51720203

I saw your point after completing my post, to which I say that serious can depend on your definition or view. 40k can be taken serious in of itself which is how I think GW and a good number of people view it. The writings I've seen from the Index books seem to suggest this as well.

I suppose it could be seen as satire, alternatively it could be viewed as a rebuke of sorts against series which show the future of humanity as bright and progressive. Showing an uncaring universe and portraying humanity in a way similar to how a misanthrope would. Of course this doesn't fit everything with 40k because it's a big galaxy and people can do whatever they want with it from a war story featuring the Imperial Guard to Space Marines going on a rampage with chainswords because its cool.

>>51720227
>GW comes in second only to fucking star wars...
Yeah because other IP (like Call of Duty, Warcraft, Mass Effect, Fallout etc) doesn't even presented in tabletop industry.
X-wing showed how weak GW's IP when they tried to step out of their niche.
And unfortunately X-wing focusing at the same audience as GW wants.
>Not a bad showing at all by GW really. not bad at all.
Should I remind how warhammer-fans mocked about X-wing, about how easily it will be beated by aeronautica?

>>51715312
>>51714240
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06C1bhRMUog&t

I made a video on it

>>51720417
>aeronautica

Wow I thought I was the only one who even remembered that game existed.

>>51715585
GW doesn't care if you're an angry grognard or an happy toddler, as long as you buy their products. Because it's a company that wants to make a profit.

>>51720227
I'd say it's pretty bad given how much newer a game x-wing is compared to how well established warhammer 40k is, they've managed to completely overtake them in just 5 years. Shows how weak GW are.

>>51720634
Ya but that's the old managements failings. They allowed everything to stagnate while simultaneously crushing everything regarding rumours.

Effectively between the bad rules and the killing of the rumour engine they killed the hype of their own product and tangentially strengthened all their competitors in the process. You know what they say about interfering with someone making mistakes. Don't do it. GW fucking up helped the industry.

>>51720634
>overtake them in just 5 years.
In 3

>>51720657
>Ya but that's the old managements failings. They allowed everything to stagnate
ET was ended in 2015
>Don't do it. GW fucking up helped the industry.
Yeah sure...

>>51720634
Being a Star Wars game helps a lot.

>>51720742
It's still shocking given x-wings been out a couple years while 40ks been out a couple decades. Also isn't fantasy flight games a much smaller company? Although I guess that won't last much longer.

>>51703208
As opposed to dark and high elves, dark eldar and regular eldar aren't really enemies. We have a few examples of them working together previously.

>>51720832
They're both staving off Slaneesh from claiming their race in their own ways.

>>51720754
>. Also isn't fantasy flight games a much smaller company?
They merged with Asmodee in 2014

>>51720158
I'm up to The Hunt for Vulkan, and the Orks seem more like an excuse/backdrop that allows the other shit in the books to happen, rather than a genuine threat. They just seem to be a mindless horde, and anything they do that does seem like it'd be genuinely worrying tends to be told rather than shown, so it loses its impact.

>>51720742
There were shitton of SW board games before.

>.017 M3
>playing filthy dirty disgusting Xenos.

Why don't you want to know the warm glow of the Emperor's light?

>>51710232
>>51719402
He means 3rd and early 4th edition.

Face it guys that shit aint never coming back, all the old guard left.
The handlers that shaped 40k into what it was left thanks to the blood sucking EX-CEO

Rick, Andy C., Big Pete just to name a few.

At least we dont have Gav thorpe no more, never liked his stuff nor his fluff desu.

>>51720832
And also lots of example of Dark Eldar raid and kill their kin for the lulz, The whole Incubi temple are revolved around that.

>>51721088
Wait until they introduce the Beast.

>>51721205
>The handlers that shaped 40k into what it was left thanks to the blood sucking EX-CEO
ANon sorry, but new CEO is from Kirby's team and looks like he supports Kirby's views about setting.

>>51720422
well DOW 3 is trash, whoopie die whoopin wo...

Also the DOW 3 forums are a laughstock, either you agree with the mod on sucking the games dick or they silence you and censor you.

Dow 1 director was a fucking bitch by leaving and going to blizzard. And he even dares to say he thinks Relic is doing a good job at DOW 3. Laughable.

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>>51721285
>Dow 1 director was a fucking bitch by leaving and going to blizzard.
So as orcs did.

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>>51703269
BUT MOM I WANT DA MODELS

>It's another 40k and Gw is dead because of star wars and not being 4th edition thread

Go back to /v/. Why the future know should I ask a hobbyist care about sales numbers.

These reeks of console wars tier shit posting.

>>51721205
Andy chambers wrote Starcraft 2.

Do you really want him back.

>>51721305
>Why the future know should I ask a hobbyist care about sales numbers.
Why not?

>>51721305
>>It's another 40k and Gw is dead
Lolwut? Most of thread is about massive changes in 40k and death of old 40k.
>>51721314
Wings of Liberty was really nice except prophecy.

>>51721296
He then got to quit because he was responsible for the massive fuck off that was Diablo 3.

>>51721314
>Andy chambers wrote Starcraft 2.
He only did wings of liberty and when someone asked him about the stuff from HOTS and LOTV. He said they changed a bunch of stuff from what they originally planned.

>>51721326
>Wings of Liberty was really nice except prophecy.
That was Metzen. Remember he had a huge boner for kerrigan and had to retcon to justify her bullshit.

>>51721327
Wasn't Ward involved at D3 too after he left GW at first time?

>>51721336
Metzen hasn't ever written lore. He's always been a story guy who then gets transcribed by people like chambers

>people whining about the aeldari shit in 40k saying it's not oldhammer

>architect of it all is jes Godwin himself

>>51721350
>Metzen hasn't ever written lore
This is fucking bullshit.
How come the starcraft credits list him as story writter? Make research first.

>>51721338
No fucking clue to be honest but the director of DOW 1 is on twitter. Who knows what the fuck he does these says.

If you want to tell him what a fuck up he did by letting these jackasses do to DOW 3 feel free to do it.
https://twitter.com/Angryrobotics

Also the Art director for DOW 1 and 2 left in 2010, so that explains why DOW 3 looks like fucking shit.

>>51721374
>>architect of it all is jes Godwin himself
Yes in 4th and 5th editions.
>>51721378
>No fucking clue to be honest
I've heard that Ward worked for Blizzard for a while, but I never found mentions about him in WoW, or Starcraft, or HoTS

>>51721412
>Yes in 4th and 5th editions.
To be fair didnt he design two of the triumvirate? The visarch and the bitch with the cat?

>>51703269
The AoS boxes have been the most fantastic savings I've ever seen from GW

>>51721417
He designed all three. And wrote the fluff.

This is jes' project. Also rumours are so are Alves in AoS

>>51721417
>To be fair didnt he design two of the triumvirate?
Dunno.
>>51721433
>. And wrote the fluff.
Wasn't it Kelly? Anyway I want some proofs.
>Also rumours are so are Alves in AoS
You mean Highborne?

>>51721433
Him and Phil Kelly. which would explain why Iyvraine turned into a massive Mary Su and Arhiman went out of character into a complete bitch.

Fucking twice! in WOM and here... Phil just hates chaos marines alright.
Where is Big Pete when we need him the most?

>>51721461
>Wasn't it Kelly? Anyway I want some proofs.

Kelly wrote the book (source this month's WD). Jes made the designs and might have helped in fleshed out the characters (source FoB designer video).

>>51721461
>proofs

Read his interviews or watch them?

Whenever Phil and jes are on a project. Phil is ALWAYS jes' bitch.

See codex deldar

>>51721433
>He designed all three.
Well what you can expect from the guy who designed Khorne shit for the last ET book, nothing good.

>>51721463
>Arhiman went out of character into a complete bitch.

Ahriman spent 10K years trying to undo his mistake. For all his effort and sacrifices he managed to save one dude.

Then suddenly an Eldar witch can casually restore his bros. Can you not imagine the bundle of emotions Ahriman was undergoing?

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>>51713854
Reminder that this is a slide thread, to distract from the true Heresy thread.

>>51721476
>Jes made the designs
I have no doubt since they looks so ugly
>and might have helped in fleshed out the characters
So only characters, not the whole fluff?
Also:
>might

>>51721482
Wait. Are you saying jes is a bad scuplter

>>51721507
His cabalites, scourge and incubis were very cool, yet still please google last End TImes release (I just cannot remember units names) and GW cannot into female models, so looks like Jes is part of problem.

>>51721486
WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK

>>51721546
>Yvraine is a bad female model
Wat

>>51721546
So what thing did jes sculpt

>>51721564
She looks like badly aged Sombra from Overwatch.
>>51721566
I said last WHFB relese (one box with new khorn infantry and one greater daemon).

>>51721578
>I confuse bad paint jobs with bad sculpts

I bet you think Kingdom death are good sculpts

>>51721616
>I bet you think Kingdom death are good sculpts
At least they knew how to sculpt bodies.

>>51721661
No. They don't. They know how to 3d scan animu figures

>>51721677
Still better than Yvraine without body and with hydrocephalus head (thanks to heroic scale).

>>51703208
>Aeldari
why

>>51721705
Because Eldars are Tolkien word.

>>51721686
Not at all considering every kd human sized sculpt has a tiny head

>>51721477
>Phil is ALWAYS jes' bitch.
Since when? Jes always was nothing but a regular sculpter, whlle Kelly wrote rules and fluff.

>>51721756
Since Jes being one of if not the most influential sculpter at Gw. The entire deldar line is his and exists entirely on his whim.

The sculptors run Gw first and foremost

>>51721820
>Since Jes being one of if not the most influential sculpter at Gw.
So as Perry brothers was.

>>51721839
Perry Bros didn't get to make an entire race simply because they liked hair metal

>>51721705
Aeldari = Pre-Fall Eldar and Eldar with ancient souls empowering them (Ynnari).

The word/term Eldar did not go away. So what's the big deal?

>>51721845
>Perry Bros didn't get to make
Yet still their old WHFB models was better than EImpire bullshit in 8th edition.
>entire race simply because they liked hair metal
And only males in helmets were good.

>>51721864
>The word/term Eldar did not go away.
Except now most of Eldars are aeldari except Vect and Alaitoc

>>51721964
Every Eldar who isn't Ynnari is an Eldar.

Only Yvarine group is Ynnari and it's a small group compared to the rest of the Eldar. The only Dark Eldar who joined with her is her own wych kabal + Lieth's cult of strife. The rest of the Dark Eldar have no idea who she is nor they care.

And a number of group have joined up with her from the craftworlds, not all the folks in the craftworld.

>>51722061
>The rest of the Dark Eldar have no idea who she is nor they care.
And most of them are dead or soon will be killed by Fulgrim.
>And a number of group have joined up with her from the craftworlds, not all the folks in the craftworld.
Most of them

>>51722061
>The only Dark Eldar who joined with her is her own wych kabal + Lieth's cult of strife.
There is incubi who follow her.

>>51722084
>Most of them
Anon, stop being a shitter.
Read the book before you start insisting on lies.

>>51722244
>Anon, stop being a shitter.
Look who is talking.
>Read the book before you start insisting on lies.
Both, book and WD says that Ynnari now majority among CWE and DE, only conservative minority remains Eldars

>>51722463
Almost forget.
Not to mention that only Aeldari now relevant in the setting.

>>51722084
>And most of them are dead or soon will be killed by Fulgrim.

Nope, the Dark Eldar are winning against he daemons and taking back their city.

Fulgrim is invading the Imperium

>Most of them

Nah, the book doesn't say that.

>>51722463
Not according to the book because only two groups of Dark Eldar joined. The rest have no idea who she is.

>>51722535
>Nah, the book doesn't say that.
But WD says it.

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>>51710701
holy fucking shit kill me now

>>51722540
You misread then.

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>>51722575
Because GW fluff-lawyer said?

>>51721374
>>architect of it all is jes Godwin himself
>miniatures released years ago before Gathering the Age of Guillimann

>>51722835
Because the book said so.

>>51722991
Prove it.

>>51721555
>tfw the Warp overtakes you

>>51722559
Nope, watch how it wil happen.

>>51721374

I really have wondered how many people would do an about face with their opinions if they learned that at the very least Goodwin was involved in the conceptualization of and did the concept for Yvraine, the Visarch, and the Yncarne.

A person is free to not like them, but to me it's kind of hard to argue that they not Eldar considering one of the people behind them has for the most part defined what the Eldar are.

There are rumors too that he was behind the new Bloodthirster and the Dreadknight.

>>51721566

It's debatable how much sculpting he still does since he said he prefers the traditional method and isn't really versed at all in CAD. He didn't sculpt Celestine but seemed quite pleased with how she turned out and liked the person who did sculpt her.

>>51703208
40k has gone full retard.

>>51723244
>if they learned that at the very least Goodwin was involved in the conceptualization of and did the concept for Yvraine, the Visarch, and the Yncarne.
Then he just failed.
They doesn't even looks like space elves, just elves.
>but to me it's kind of hard to argue that they not Eldar considering one of the people behind them has for the most part defined what the Eldar are.
Doesn't mean he is right by default. Yvraine cloths looks like ugly mix of LeDroit and VC chicks, but with much less details (corset is most obvious example).

>>51703208
I've given up on GW 10 years ago and you should too

>>51722835
>Aeldari
heh

>>51723244
>He didn't sculpt Celestine but seemed quite pleased with how she turned out and liked the person who did sculpt her.
>even after Brexit Anglos still bunch of SJW

>>51723463
So have I (though it's been ~5), but not because of soemthing like this. I always liked Eldar and Dark Eldar being allies out of necessity. They dispise each other, but they just hate veryone else a tad more.

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>>51723428
That is funny because there is Isabella coming for TWW at least.
>tfw no new Jain Zar model with hips and tits of AoS Alarielle.

>>51723518
>>tfw no new Jain Zar model with hips and tits of AoS Alarielle.
>being gay

>>51703269
If you think about it they have a good thing going. They'll drive off everyone who won't pay that much, and eventually they only have people who're credulous enough to buy into a game where an army's £250 minimum, then they can release whatever shit they like.

Guys, the whole Aeldari shit isn't some AoS shenanigan, is just a term needed to refer to CE, DE and H with one word without using Eldar as its asociated with CE.

I mean its pretty obvious. Unless you are all delving in some shitty troll-baiting that I'm not aware of.

>>51723053
First chapter. Yvarine escapes the Dark City with just her group.

Now prove they all joined her.

>>51724149
Aeldari just means Eldar who unlocked their full potential and have achieved Pre-Fall Eldar levels of physical and mental prowess. So far only the Ynnari have become Aeldari.

>>51724149
>Guys, the whole Aeldari shit isn't some AoS shenanigan
Yeah sure, it's just coincidence.
>term needed to refer to CE, DE and H with one word
And this word is Ynnari.
>>51724175
=> >>51722835

>>51724217
Nope, you are misreading. The book doesn't have the Dark Eldar joining the Ynnari beyond 2 groups.

And The Ynnari are a small group of Eldar.

If you want to throw claims, start posting proofs from the book.

>>51724246
>Nope, you are misreading.
About DE may be, I admiting it, but they irrelevant now.
>And The Ynnari are a small group of Eldar.
In the begginning.
>If you want to throw claims, start posting proofs from the book.
Since when WD isn't proof?

>>51724291
>Since when WD isn't proof?

Since the book came out.

>In the begginning.

We are still at the beginning. Most Eldar are not Ynnari. By the end of the book, the surviving Ynnari all of them are on one moon and are on the way to Maccrage. It's a really small but diverse following. Saying they are ALL Eldar is false. They are just very tiny minority now.

>>51724317
>Since the book came out.
But books describes only how they formed, while WD describes current state of faction.
>By the end of the book, the surviving Ynnari all of them are on one moon and are on the way to Maccrage.
Yep and they just beat 2 CSM Legions.
>They are just very tiny minority now.
Post straight proof from the book.
Also, books clearly says that other eldars aren't important since they cannot do shit, while aeldari are most powerful.

>>51723463
I gave up on GW and the hobby 5 years ago to focus on magic: the gathering. It's also infuriating at times, but I dont feel like they are taking me for a total dipshit stupid head as much.

>>51724217
>And this word is Ynnari
Wrong. You can have a DE detachment that include Yvraine. Its units, besides Yvraine, wouldn't be of the Ynnari faction, nor Ynnari, but the would affect Yvraine's powers as the would be Aeldari.

See now?

>>51724342
>Yep and they just beat 2 CSM Legions.

Ahriman's group with a dirty trick, not force.

And they beat the Black Legion with help of the Imperials.


>Post straight proof from the book.

Final chapter after they escape Belial V. They suffered big losses fighting against the daemons. The survivors go to the Imperials to forge an alliance.

>while WD describes current state of faction.

I don't think so. This book and the other book still has them as a small faction that's growing but still tiny.

> books clearly says that other eldars aren't important since they cannot do shit

The Dark Eldar are getting a lot of shit done. The Dark Eldar are uniting and fighting against a massive daemon invasion and they are winning.

Iyanden Eldar destroyed one Chaos space hulk and crippled another.

>>51724424
>Ahriman's group
Read it again, there was the hole TS legion.
>They suffered big losses fighting against the daemons. The survivors go to the Imperials to forge an alliance.
So what? Still nothing about how they minority, while WD says that only conservative minority not joined to Ynnari.
>This book and the other book still has them as a small faction that's growing but still tiny.
Proofs?
>The Dark Eldar are getting a lot of shit done. The Dark Eldar are uniting and fighting against a massive daemon invasion and they are winning.
>Khaine gates cannot be closed again
>and they are winning.

>Iyanden Eldar destroyed one Chaos space hulk and crippled another.
And they are part of Ynnari.

>>51724466
>Read it again, there was the hole TS legion.

Nah, it was just Ahriman and his group. It wasn't a legion.

>So what? Still nothing about how they minority, while WD says that only conservative minority not joined to Ynnari.

If they were a majority then Belial V and the moon would have been drowned with billions of Eldar instead of maybe a few thousand Eldar.

>Proofs?

Fracture of Biel-Tan, The Ynnari travel around and they are just group of diverse Eldar. They aren't big horde of them.

>>Khaine gates cannot be closed again

The Mandrake Shadow Realm is expanding creating areas that daemons cannot cross into. The Khaine might be open but the city will get protected by the Shadow Realm.

>And they are part of Ynnari.

Only some Wraith constructs and dudes joined.

>>51724551
>Nah, it was just Ahriman and his group. It wasn't a legion.
It was described as united Thousand Sons legion.
>billions of Eldar
Hi Phill.
>The Ynnari travel around and they are just group of diverse Eldar.
Yep and after FoBT they are majority which described in White Dwarf.
>but the city will get protected by the Shadow Realm.
Untill the Fulgrim visits them.
>Only some Wraith constructs and dudes joined.
Including Iyanden ruler and main spiritseer.

So who is going to wield fifth sword?
Eldrad, Asurmen?

>>51724616
Jainh Zar since she now she can beat dreadnought.

>>51724636
>Jainh Zar since she now Phoenix Lords leader, may be with sword she can beat dreadnought.
fix

>>51724595
>It was described as united Thousand Sons legion.

I didn't see it in the book.

>Yep and after FoBT they are majority which described in White Dwarf.

Not according to this book and the coming book.

>Untill the Fulgrim visits them.

Fulgrim is busy destroying Hive cities in the Imperium.

>Including Iyanden ruler and main spiritseer.

Ruler? She couldn't stop the Ynnari from being arrested in Iyanden.

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>>51724616
There can only be one.

>>51724681
Only if by that you meant Guilliman's fleshy sword.

>>51724714
>I didn't see it in the book.
Well sounds like you laready know where problem is.
>Not according to this book and the coming book.
Again post straight proofs, now from 2 books.
>Ruler?
I talking about Yrel.

>>51724768
>Well sounds like you laready know where problem is.

IThen post the picture of where it says they are a legion.

>Again post straight proofs

Book two has them as a small group. Book three is about them adventuring with Girlyman. Nothing about them gaining numbers until they became a majority.

>I talking about Yrel.

Not their leader. The Seer Council lead the Craftworld.

>>51724895
>IThen post the picture of where it says they are a legion.
Sorry, doesn't have FoBT on my phine, but sure such gloriius ulrramarine like you have one, and surely you will post proofs about Ynnari small numbers, to show how wrong all those /tg/ mongrels who dare to care about old 40k, which you hate so much.
>Book two has them as a small group.
All what I've seen from the nxt (third) book is just Ynnari council, not the whole factiin overview.
>Not their leader.
Oops, u right, I didn't read Ward's suppliment well enough, Yrel is their military leader and Ianna are head of spiritseers.

>>51718598
I started 40k because there were grown ass people playing who would tell me stories about their armies and the heroes fighting. Who would show me cool conversions and give me advice and teach me new skills. Some of them stank, and others were annoying, but the community that existed in my FLGS was vibrant and cared about the game and that people had fun. I wouldn't have bothered if there weren't older people there to guide me along as my 12 year old brain tried to handle it all.

>>51719367
They could just make kill team a bigger deal, desu. I went from playing Xwing to killteam pretty quick, it was more fun.

>>51723546
I'm not kidding.
>used to think I was gay.
>Alarielle comes along
>realize I'm bi, and want to bury my head between thick, stronk thighs and eat.

>>51725977
Why does my post say Desu? I didn't write that.

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>>51724199
>>51724217
>In some rules of this book you will see the term "Aeldari". This simply refers to Eldars, Dark Eldars, Harlequins or Ynnari. For instance, if a rule states "any Aeldari miniature", that means "any Eldar, Dark Eldar, Harlequin or Ynnari miniature".

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>>51726097
>I'm not kidding.
Take your medicine transgender lover.

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>>51723546
>Implying

>>51721820
Isnt Jes also an IP holder or something?

>>51726203
So what? How it's denies the winds of Age of... ?

>>51726338
Brets models could also be painted well.
Doesn't chages the fact that this is transgender action figure for progressive 8+ game.

>>51726349
Well, because on AoS it meant a whole rewrite of the setting and the names, while here is just a useful term. It has also been implemente specifically for this released as probably they saw the "Eldar" word being problematic for the army.

How the fuck would you have done it without "trowing AoS vibe"? "Eldar" have been tagged to Craftworld Eldars since before most players were even born.

>>51726338
Does the man that did this take comissions?

>>51726409
>while here is just a useful term.
Yeah and it's totally pure coincidence that they were renamed in AoS-way and word also means their "true name".

>>51726449
Why the fuck would they came up with a new name? It makes sense to give it the new name. And if it will be a common name for all "Eldar", and it isn't "Eldar", what do you expect it to be? The name humans gave them? Their nickname? Wouldn't make more sense for Eldar to be the human name (specially since no Eldar calls the Dark Eldar as "Dark Eldar"), and this other random shit be their real, eldar name?

I get the paranoia, but really, it was the easiest way to do this. They have also being extra insistent that they are not renaming them, and that is just another way to name them, so you don't get all autistic over it.

>>51726541
>The name humans gave them?
Worked with Highborne, Dark Exiles and Wanderers

>>51726541
>It makes sense to give it the new name.
Why? Both nations called themselves Eldars.

>>51726619
But if you put "Eldar" on a rule, what will you think of? DE, CE or H or just CE?

>>51726662
>But if you put "Eldar" on a rule, what will you think of?
All units from Ynnari armylist?
Also, again it's not just game term it is also fluff term.

>>51726680
>All units from Ynnari armylist?
Then you would be wrong, as Haem and Mandrakes are part of the Aeldari.
>Also, again it's not just game term it is also fluff term
Yeah, I know. But really, I think this is only a harmless add-on to solve a rule problem. Don't overthink it.

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>>51726569
>Highborne

>>51714240
Relic isn't fucking anything up, for fuck sake, stop parrotting the MOBA/SC2 memes
They're just making the game different than what you're used to (just like they did DoW II different from the first one).
Not saying they aren't any bad points in the game, but most of it seems to be good at the moment imo

>>51721285
Gorb doesn't silence and censor to my knowledge, except when the point is made with insults and/or contain things that are against the rules of the forum. You just can't post on an official forum like you do here on 4chan

>>51720422
I KNEW you were a fa/tg/uy, Benis, you just had to be

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>>51727140
>but most of it seems to be good at the moment imo
>we want moba audience
>good
Kys, this shit looks like HH:Dropzone for Android and doesn't have a really big scales of battles

>>51727247
>no big scale of battle
They are actually more troops on screen than DoW1, with bigger units involved

>we want moba audiance
the only thing they're taking from MOBAs are the skillshots for heroes and elites, and these are great for micro in an RTS (they arguably originated in War3 for fuck sake, so it is only taking back things that are now associated MOBA really)

>>51716426
But The Creative Assembly basically revived the setting. However, if you don't like video games or TW games, you are fucked.

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>>51721864
It's as lazy as Aelfs.

>Soon we'll get The God Emperor of Mankind setting up his Warp Empire making WarpCast Eternals from the bodies of falled Space Marines

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>>51703208
>Fuck, nobody is collecting a Dark Eldar army. What should we do?
>Buff them with a new codex?
>Nah just write some fluff that will let Eldar players use the units in their army. Everyone collects Eldar anyway, os it's a dead cert they'll buy some for fluff or whatever.

>>51727996
it's okay just for humans to have super soldiers? Fucking racist.

>>51722835
fuck I wish you could ctrl+f text in images

>>51727996
Nah, it will be new generation of Ultramarines based on Draigo, Ultracast Ultraknights, leaded by Ultra Prime.

>>51727996

You do know that Aelf is the anglo-saxon word for elf, right?

The name Alfred comes from AS Aelfraed

>>51732781
>anglo-saxon
Nope,it's scandinavian, and totally unrelated with fantasy (I mean genre) elves.
But come on, anon, keep defending sterile WoW rip-off

>>51732959

Dipshit

>a popular component in Anglo-Saxon names, many of which survive as modern given names and surnames, such as Ælfræd "Elf-counsel" (Alfred), Ælfwine "Elf-friend" (Alvin), Ælfric "Elf-ruler" (Eldridge), also women's names such as Ælfflæd "Elf-beauty." Elf Lock hair tangled, especially by Queen Mab, "which it was not fortunate to disentangle" [according to Robert Nares' glossary of Shakespeare] is from 1592.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=elf

>>51721712
>>51721705

doop a boob this

same reason Imperial Guard becoming Astra Militarum wasn't the fucking End Times either

>>51721486

Can I get a quick rundown on these guys?

>>51733038
>I know nothing about germanic people mythology
>I know nothing about linguistics
Well, I guess you also implies that Orruks and DUaRdIN very original name.

What game system are you picking up when 40k turns to shit

>>51715987
You familiar with what happened to the Chinese in ww2

>>51719386
> people don't want to scream and dance while playing a game
> You're the retards!
Ok..

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>>51734690
>when 40k turns to shit
>when
Also, answer is pretty obvious.

>>51734770
As bad as games workshop can get that star wars shit's the worst. Hope ya' enjoy Disney!

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>>51734897
>star wars shit's the worst.
At least they still have Space Nazi.

>>51703208
I hope it will be fixed. But with current designs and plans I don't know. I feel bad for the players that are having flash backs to endtimes. I mean it must be scary.

>>51734770

Star Wars turned to absolute shit over ten years ago and its continued success is completely baffling to me.

>>51734913
So does 40k dude

>>51734770
Star wars is fucking gay normie shit though. Plus the universe isn't even remotely as cool as 40k.

>>51734690
30k.

>>51727730
>They are actually more troops on screen than DoW1, with bigger units involved
>muh big armies

Dow's brightest point where the skirmishes which slowly grew into a bigger armie. This apocalypse scale nonesense its just a blob vs blob. Terrible idea.

>>51735487
who told you the growing wasn't progressive? I mean, we haven't seen multiplayer, but I can't wee the game let you start with a blob already, only for you to make it even bigger
Plus infantry and vehicles use the same pop-cap, like DoW II. You'll have to choose if you want those 300+ boyz, a handful of powerful vehicles, or a healthy mix with some more powerful squad on the top (Nobz seem to be a huge sink in pop. in the latest released video according to the official forums, but the game may be tweaked before the game comes out)

>>51733595
He is just implying you are wrong and a dipshit.

>>51735726
Why are you shilling for the new shitbox dawn of war game? No one on this board wants female knights and somersaulting terminators. Our diversity quota is already filled by sisters of battle and salamanders.

>>51735897
I'm shilling for DoW III because I'm sick of seeing shit arguments against it. You just can't talk about the game without seeing "lol MOBA", "SC2-copy-paste" or "it's not DoW1/DoW2 so it's shit" (depending on who talks about the game)
Thing is: except for small details, the game looks fine until now. My main concerns with the game for now are:
>voice-acting seem to be underwhelming for the most part (which is really, really bad for a DoW game)
>no sync-kill (it's better this way for e-sport, but it was iconic to the series, pure rule of cool)
>some shitty animations (Devastators, Wraithlord walk)
>some too-lore-breaking skills/attacks (the Terminator backflip is retarded, a teleport attack would have been much cooler AND fluffier, and the lascannons should make a single, powerful WHOOSH instead of that constant beam shit)
>elite system can be cool, but also a pain in the ass to balance
Everything else in the game seem to be "meh, classic" to "really fucking great" (scrap mechanic for Orks like fucking C&C Generals' GLA, SM use of drop-pods, heroes and elite really powerful and fun but easily killed without support, loads and loads of different units, etc.)

tl;dr: wait until they announce something shitty about the game (Total War/CoH2 inspired DLC-plan instead of full expansions maybe?) until you trash it

>>51726662
Eldar = CWE
Aeldari = CWE, DE, Harlequins
Ynnari = Aeldari with excepitions - no Avatar of Khaine, Covens etc

>>51720056
Relic reinvented DoW because the game wasn't as perfect as you apparently thought it was, many fans felt it was too far of a departure from the feel of 40k that it was almost just some other RTS with a 40k mod taped onto it. At the same time CoH had just started to really gain traction and acclaim in the industry, and the engine just seemed to fit 40k far better than the DoW engine did.

There, that's far more attention than you deserve you mongoloid.

>>51727730
>They are actually more troops on screen than DoW1, with bigger units involved
So what? I's posted picture with SupCom for reason, decade ago devs knew how to make rts with large battles without ruining graphic.
>the only thing they're taking from MOBAs are the skillshots for heroes and elites, and these are great for micro in an RTS (they arguably originated in War3 for fuck sake, so it is only taking back things that are now associated MOBA really)
Except that Relic clearly said that they want to attract MOBA audience

>>51737058
>decade ago devs knew how to make rts with large battles without ruining graphic
yeah, with low-poly models, on high-end PCs
Would you be okay with Relic (or any game company) releasing a game with vDoW's graphics? I can't see that happening in this day and age

>the only thing they're taking from MOBAs are the skillshots for heroes and elites, and these are great for micro in an RTS (they arguably originated in War3 for fuck sake, so it is only taking back things that are now associated MOBA really)
Except that Relic clearly said that they want to attract MOBA audience
So what, as long as the game ISN'T a MOBA? It's not like it's a team game or anything, the "toxic community" won't have any semblance of importance

>>51737221
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTEK91uEvPo
>yeah, with low-poly models
So just like DoW3, but with actual phisics and 81x81km maps.
>Would you be okay with Relic (or any game company) releasing a game with vDoW's graphics? I can't see that happening in this day and age
Okay, example of actual RTS with large scale battles:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBsRhGPoSw0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgHbCPKets4
>the "toxic community" won't have any semblance of importance
>game for Warhammer players

>>51710381
Yes.
Consider Warhammer Fantasy.

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>>51710381
>Do you really think GW is stupid enough...

Yes.

>>51735097
>Star wars is fucking gay normie shit though.
>implying Warhammer isn't turning into normie shit with Alliance in space

>>51737803
https://www.dawnofwar.com/article/unit-spotlight-wraithlord
>implying this is low-poly

>first video
>My friend and I decided to mess around in Wargame: Red Dragon by deploying every single unit in the Tank and Vehicle Tabs, plus a few Command Tanks and Recon (but mostly Tanks). [...] We had to wait at least half an hour to gather enough points and spawn them all
That kind of battle happen every tuesday and works on every computer, amarite?

>game for Warhammer players
what I meant was that you shouldn't worry about MOBA-kiddies trashing the community, because the main focus won't be co-op. No LeGoLaS666 to insult you when you miss that skillshot

>>51738438
>>implying this is low-poly
Yeah and now go and watch how maps looks and their magical bubbles instead of real covers.
>That kind of battle happen every tuesday
Nah usua; battles have more than 2 players with shitton of different units.
>on every computer, amarite?
Yep

>>51738528
>Yeah and now go and watch how maps looks
Maps looked a lot better in the Eldar and Ork videos
>and their magical bubbles instead of real covers
Does Wargame have real cover? Honest question here, not trying to trash the game
I would agree bubbles look retarded, they should probably use ruins instead (same effect, just less ridiculous). (Now that I think of it, you can actually put multiple squads in the bubble and make them shoot at different targets, but it may be more difficult and/or seem strange with a building.)
As cool and fluffy it is, you simply can't port the DoW II system over with bigger squads. It would be even messier and bugged, and with the number of squads involved, you'd be putting units in cover half your time - if there are any covers left after the first few artillery strikes and grenades and whatever

>battles have more than 2 players
then I'm pretty confident DoW III will be able to do the same

>>51734690
Already left around 6th showing up because I didn't like some of the changes they made, moved to Warmahordes until 3rd fucked /that/ up, now I mostly play Infinity and Guild Ball. Looking into picking up Bolt Action, too, since it's designed by Alessio "Remember when 40k was fucking playable" Cavatore.

>>51703208
Honestly, I would love it if the Old Guard came back together to make a new 40k style sci fi game. But, as it stands, a lot of what they're doing now is either too bland, too boring, or too funky.

I dont care for Bolt Action, and the only model I own is a tank I bought from the American National WW2 museum. I dont prefer historicals, simply because I believe it trivializes WW2 into a game. At least with 40k and other fantasy games, I can dettach myself from it, and I know that its fantasy. Aside from that, however, I do like the recent weird war miniatures. Gameplay looks good.

Gates of Antares has a... unique look to its miniatures, thats for certain. Its a bit strange looking overall, but it certainly seems in spirit of old 40k.

Kings of War is definetly mediocre model wise, but ruleswise, it is a enjoyable enough system. I feel like mantic certainly dropped the ball, however, and didn't push it hard enough when AoS dropped. Plus, miniature quality is all over the place.

Jes Godwin, I believe, had a rather nice kickstarter which featured some rather classic looking sculpts. Unfortunately, I was a bit broke at times.

I just think they need each other to help create something really good, but unfortunately, they all seem rather steadfast in their current ordeals.

>>51703208
Can somebody please tell me what's going on?

Last I remember somebody said they were merging various factions.

I recall them saying Ork & Tyranids and Tau & Necrons are being merged. Can I get a source on this?

>>51719367
If they want to make a lower cost of entry games, they should just start supporting Mordheim and Necromunda style games again.

>>51732959
It's both, actually. Old English and Old Norse are much closer than their descendants are, sharing many more cognates with each other than they now do. Granted English and Dutch are the only to extant major members of the West Germanic Sub Family and Old Norse is a North Germanic Language, they did share a bit of common vocabulary.

>>51741829
>Kings of War is definetly mediocre model wise
It's a bit odd to say that considering you can use any mini for it.

>>51741829
>Old Guard came back together to make a new 40k style sci fi game
Dude, not going to hapoen.

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>>51710232
>matte warpaint
>gloss white pauldron
>larger than his head
>forearm armour
>no kneepads
>no elbow pads
>wearing a poncho
>it's not even raining
>sword
>no scabbard
>no helmet
>and no optics lanyard
>slung his gun upside down
>lost muh knife sarge lol

Career PFC detected.

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>>51736795
>most acclaimed, best-selling vidyagaem of its time
>they change it
>no one buys the new vidya
>????
>PROFIT!!
Huh, wow. You DO seem to have the solution surrounded, don't you?

>>51724726
Why does he wear the mask?

>>51718837
>associate discount
>free 2 day delivery

I no longer hate my job

>>51735757

Not implying, pretty much just stating outright.

>>51743366
Imagine how great it would be though!

>>51721484
>Ahriman spent 10K years trying to undo his mistake
oh so this is the new lore?
How was that a mistake? didnt he basically put a stop to the flesh change?

>>51721484
>Then suddenly an Eldar witch can casually restore his bros
They didnt save them, they just reversed time, they may not be dust no more but then there is the flesh change to worry.. again. So back to square one.

This is how stupid the new lore is.

>>51735726
so you are justifying them to try and fix something that wasnt broken in the first place?

All they had to do was just re-do DOW 1 again with a clean slate. Re-design tech trees perhaps, units, balance with better graphics, better engine AND better padding.

Instead they went for a completely new game.

The padding on DOW 3 looks like shit, animations look like shit, scale looks like crap and also these imbeciles ran into a corner.
If they will use army painted in multiplayer then its going to be a mess considering the hero units are basically from an already existing army. So prepare to have a bunch of dark angels leaded by Blood Raven heroes.

>>51718598
I'm 22 and I got interested by playing in my first D&D group at 11 that was otherwise all adults. My DM (who funnily enough is a former wizards dev and current paizo dev) had a fucking insanely sweet black templars army and I loved just picking up the figures and looking at them and hearing him explain the game

When I started playing 40k myself around 16 or 17 my friend and I would go to our local GW, armies in crude tupperware containers and throw down against the awesome dudes who also were there to throw down. hardly anyone was spergy or douchey and it made a huge impression on me

>>51723428

>They doesn't even looks like space elves, just elves.

I don't even really understand what this means. Part of the point is that they're not supposed to look like any one Eldar faction because they draw on all of them.

>Doesn't mean he is right by default.

It actually does. Like I said you're free to not like them, but I don't see how you can say that the person who invented the Eldar aesthetic doesn't understand it or got it wrong. That's the path of getting up your own ass.

>>51724616

I would not be surprised if the search for the fifth sword becomes the newest end goal like previously the birth of Ynnead was.

>>51726569

Highborne and Dark Exiles were placeholders, GW dropped them after breaking High Elves and Dark Elves into smaller factions.

>>51741829

>But, as it stands, a lot of what they're doing now is either too bland, too boring, or too funky.

Maybe that is because for the most part they're trying to come up with something entirely original whereas with Fantasy and 40k they went off of the melding of already established ideas that were popular.

>>51747362

I've seen no indication that any time reversal happened. Yvraine at most made their spirits and minds clear again instead of being scrambled or so washed out that they require the presence of a sorcerer nearby to do anything.

>>51741829
>trivializes WW2 into a game

Nigga you need to relax.

>>51746657
Nope anon, times changed.

>>51748118
>I don't even really understand what this means.
They look too "generic" without any interesting sci-fi/space opera stuff.
>not supposed to look like any one Eldar faction
But Visarch looks like incubi.
>but I don't see how you can say that the person who invented the Eldar aesthetic doesn't understand it or got it wrong.
The same way like last Moorcock books.

>>51741829
>Jes Godwin, I believe, had a rather nice kickstarter which featured some rather classic looking sculpts.

Details?
>Ideally a link for the lazy!