/srg/ - Shadowrun General

>>51693991
>Deep Matrix edition
Man, whenever I play, I avoid anything involving the matrix beyond AR

How are we supposed to familiarize ourselves with that clusterfuck of random rules and abstract concepts?

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Look at the nerds and laugh, they don't even ask a question.

>>51694126
Do we need a question?

>>51694126
here's a question I and some other chummer have been asking

is there a changelog for the erratas somewhere?

:^)

>>51694115
5e Matrix is way less terrible than 4e matrix as it doesn't require an entire second game for the GM to orchestrate.

Running the Matrix is simple: You set up a host and devices your hacker can get into. You run that concurrently with the rest of the group. Voilà.

Deep Matrix runs are more complex because they'd require the entire party to tag along for the ride and that's a part of the game I don't want to read.

>no options for internal suppressor modifications
How the hell am I supposed to build the perfect submachine gun when I need gas vents in the barrel slot for recoil compensations and there's nowhere else to put a suppressor?

>>51694210
You buy an Ingram Smartgun

>>51694141
I think they are important, since they are triggers for discussion while we wait for the chummer bug reports, questions about rules and build shitposting.
And they usually are about people talking about their characters in flavorful ways that help build them up in interesting ways.

>>51694225
>Accuracy 4

>>51694229
Okay, how about this

>>51693991
>Deep Matrix edition
Did you ever do something related to the deep matrix? Gone onto a UV-server? Fought against Dissonant technomancers? Gone on a Submersion quest or visited the Deep Library?

>>51694231
6 With the smartgun, 7 with a personalized grip.

It's really not that hard.

>>51694264
>Accuracy 7
>implying that is accurate enough
Then again, this is my non-lethal gun that I most likely won't use to shoot anything other than wageslaves, so maybe 7 will do.

I never like the idea that my deckers genuinely NEED some of the best decks ever manufactured in order to be even reasonably competent.

At what range are you able to be 'good enough' you think? I'm usually good with device rating 2+ in anything in the core rulebook, depending on the budget.

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>>51694382
once you're rolling 16 dice at a task, you are pretty good
you can get there are chargen pretty easily

>>51694309
If you need the accuracy for more than 21 dice, what are you shooting at?

Especially with burst-fire penalties to defense, most foes shouldn't have seven dice to roll, much less enough to get 7 successes with any kind of regularity.

And for those dodgy assholes, that's what a rating 5 sensor array in the cyber-arm is for.

Hello fellow runners.

So, apparently, my crew and I are meant to track down some corp middle-manager chick who's hiding out in West Virginia. Anything we should watch out for (aside from the usual security details).

>>51694262
Almost tripped into a UV server on my technomancer, had to bail out before I could investigate.

Got infected with Jormungand and turned into a Dissonant for a couple of sessions, and in that time I free'd a shattered remain of Deus so after that i bought it off.

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>>51694445
West Virginians

>>51694382
I'd say that if you don't have a good idea of how to run a decker, than you probably want the rating 2 decks.

If you do have a good idea then you can either make due with one of the rating 1s and the right programs, or splurge for a 3 and do amazing things with the rest of your budget.

>>51694428
>If you need the accuracy for more than 21 dice
Nah, I only have 12 dice. I'm just greedy for successes and would just hate to roll more successes than my limit on a stupidly lucky roll.

>>51694229
People will post questions, news, or shitposts, regardless. It's /srg/.

>>51694523
Then spend edge. You don't need 12 Accuracy for your 12 dice just in case.

>>51694523
anon, with 12 dice you have a 2 percent chance to get 8+ hits

>>51694598
>spend edge
And have none left over for when I roll terribly? Nah, better to spend a little nuyen for a better limit upfront.

>>51694698
I'm painfully aware of this. Expanding my general Automatics pool is near the top of my karma spending priority list, right after
>specialty in assault rifles
>1 rank in navigation, demolitions, first aid, throwing and maybe some other skills I don't have that I really don't want to default on

So, I've got Badger the ugliest of ducklings and Slinx the Cybernaga.

Anything else to throw my way? This is fun.

Do all magic metahumans awaken during childhood or can it happen later in their lives?

>>51695009
Look up Latent Awakening.
It can happen pretty much whenever, so long as you have that gene.

>>51695009
The large majority of folks awaken during their teenage years, but occasionally people awaken before or after.

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>>51695009
generally you awaken during puberty, although it is possible to awaken as a young child or somewhat after puberty, though usually around puberty
In 4e there was a quality "Latent Awakening" that allowed you to awaken as an adult. You start with MAG 1 and your maximum is reduced normally


>>51694698
to get even a 10 percent chance of hitting your accuracy+ you need 16 dice
check the pic for more

>>51695061
>>51695064
>>51695079

Thanks mates. Next question:

Does a cyberware scanner only scan for the presence and location of 'ware or does it determine what kind of cyberwere it is? Can it find weapons and smuggling compartments in cyberlimbs?

>>51694925
With the caveat that I've made this before (but it was really cheesy and probably wasn't something I'd let by) but how about a Techomancer built to actually deck with brainmeats?

I'd not allow it because you've gotta really do things strange and min-max to get the most out of it. And drugs. Those too.

>>51695187
It depends on how many hits the scanner gets vs the grade of the implant. More hits means more details... unless it's higher grade 'ware.

Then it needs more hits just to recognize the thing.

>>51695460

I think I'd like to decline on that, because I've literally never made a Technomancer in my life, so I wouldn't really know how to make one poorly, much less well.

I could design a story/concept for a technomancer who hacks with his brainmeats, but those have been done a dozen and a half times before.

But, if you'd insist, i suppose I could sit back and finally read through the entire technomancer section...

>>51695530
http://shadowrun.com/forums/discussion/comment/181431/#Comment_181431
Every day, until you like it

>>51695530
Well, the thing is that it's building a Technomancer like the book presents them, instead of how they're actually good.

The way I did it involved tanking Resonance for lots of 'ware, backed by Cyber-Singularity Seeker. And then a contact that could get me custom drugs for emergencies that needed Even More Stats.

>>51695530
Don't bother. Just way for the techno book to come out and hopefully give them more options than "Digimon trainer".

>>51695562

Seen it before and I definitely appreciate what it's saying.

For whenever I do eventually get around to making a techno.

But, the point of my challenges is making something 'bad' into something good.

>>51695568

Again, I'd like to politely decline unless you insist on it. I also can't promise any sense of speed.

>>51695645
Decline away. I threw it out there knowing that it was likely to get not done by virtue of being a really stupid build.

Actually, since there's more stuff out now. I should probably see if I can do 'better' than the old build.

>>51694925
>>51695530
>>51695645

Are you asking for a challenge?

If so, how about a typhoid mary type of HMMV victim? The goal is maximize the characters ability to spread the HMMV virus in anyway possible, while remaining inconspicuous. Something like an elf with charisma and glamours out the ass, and the type of (fake) credential that can get you in a room with Lofwyr. Combat capabilities don't matter unless they can allow even greater spread of the virus, like spewing bodily fluids or something. Can dragons even be ghoulified?

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>>51695460
>>51695530
>>51695568
>>51695645
It really is easier than you guys think.

>>51695801
No HMMV seems to only effect meta humans. There is a variant that effects sasquatches, but that might be a rare thing.
And even if Dragons were effected by HMMV a great dragon like Lofwyr has SO much magic bullshit there no way you;d be able to infect them.

Your armor accessories are tied to your strength, does that include things like the high fashion coats?

>>51695826
Needs more Pain Editor. Especially if you're going to Cha up enough that you're almost an Elf Techno-assassin.

Besides, too much Complex Form use on that sheet. Same for Sprite use.

>>51695826

easier than I think? Good to know. But, I still have never made a techno before, so I didn't want my first time to be a challenge character lol

>>51695910
I barely use my complex forms, the only time I did it was a Static Veil twice to confuse the NSA DemiGOD while I formatted and rebooted his deck.

Same for sprite, I only compiled a Level 10 Machine Sprite to fuck with a prototype combat drone piloted by an AI, it broke the thing in two turns and then left.

You don't need a pain editor if you never get hit, and this is exactly how I play this TM. If I'm spotted, I static veil myself into copies and then reboot.

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Would humanis work with Nazis?

>>51695935
Technically, you do if you ever fail an attack action by three hits or more, or attack actions by three hits total or more.

But that's secondary.

>>51695954

Yes.

>>51695954
I'm sorry you're so unimaginative you need to ask that question. The answer is unequivocally YES YES HELL YES

>>51695954
That pretty much depends on the individuals.
Nazis pretty much only care about you if you are not-white or a jew. Nothing about orks or magic in their agenda.

Humanis ist more about awakened and Metahumans than about skin colour and religion.

i can imagen that a Nazi could get pretty pissed if a humanis member starts beating up a white elf.

>>51695954
Depends on what is more important for the nazis, race (meta-type) or "race" (Arian, Jewish, black, etc.)
Will a Nazi treat a troll Arian better than a human Jew? Will he treat him worse than a human Arian?

IIRC the KKK doesn't work with Humanis due to finding their motives retarded: They don't care what metatype you are, as long as you aren't a nigger
And the vory don't care about your metatype and more about your heritage, a troll muscovite is treated lengths better than a elf tartar/jew

>>51696022
>>51696031

I actually think through the lens of SR, it would be "Humanity, not Metahumanity. They aren't human."

I mean, they were willing to treat other types of humans as nonhuman. I don't think it's much of a stretch to say that they'd only consider humans to be the real humans.

>>51696172
I don't know if that follows that easily
remember: the KKK is racist against "race" but not metatype and Humanis is racist against Metatype but not "race"
Of course they might be racist against both, but being racist against one does not imply being racist against the other

>>51696234

I thought the KKK stopped caring about the Spicks and the Niggers and the Wetbacks, because they got too many Non-humans to lynch first.

>>51696172
Hence why i said
>That pretty much depends on the individuals.

old school nazis didn't have any metahumans or magic around while humanis was created because of it.

at least you will have two philosophical fronts
>those who say that aryan is aryan, no matter how pointy the ears may be.

>those who think that any change from the old aryan human concept makes them some sort of lower lifeform.

and there will also be a mix of those who would rater work with an aryan ork than a nigger ork

>>51694204
Good for you, you're the exact retarded demographic that 5e was targeted for.

>>51696250
thats humanis you talking about

>>51696307
I fail to see your point.

Your inability to understand and run the matrix rules makes them bad how ?

>>51695562>>51695826

Oh look, it's technoshilling time again.
Clockwork did nothing wrong.

>>51696300
Old school Nazis were kind of into occultism, so it's possible they could see the increased strength of orks and trolls as a manifestation of the ubermensh idea, or at least paylip service to it to employ ork stormtroopers, after all they did do mental gymnastics in order to label the Japanese Aryan to conveniently justify their alliance.

>>51696375
On the contrary, I perfectly understand the matrix rules. In 4e they worked almost exactly like magic and combat, there were just extra actions. The problem was the book layouts.
My frustration is the absolute FUBAR that is 5e's matrix rules, that while minigamy and simple completely reduced the hackers capability and utility.

>>51696465
>Clockwork did nothing wrong.
He's a Hobgoblin, that's being wrong enough

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>>51696491
now i kinda want to play a old school nazi Shadowrunner, sad thing is, nobody will notice a well dressed german rifleman with a knack for the arcane in the sixth world, sure expecting a jew as mastermind behind everything ist just a slight change to expect a dragon behind everything

Hey, I'm a bit new to running Shadowrun, but not RPGs in general. While helping make a character for one of my players, I noticed the "Master Debater" trait in Chummer5. Looking it up, it says that it uses Logic instead of Charisma for Diplomacy tests., except I can't really find any test in the rulebook that's called Diplomacy.

So, what the fuck does it do?

>>51696553
>sad thing is, nobody will notice a well dressed german rifleman with a knack for the arcane in the sixth world

Sad?

Jesus christ, give yourself some credit there.

Legitimate Nazi, Who has a DIRECT line to the 3rd Reich, pure of blood and mind, working in the shadows to create what his ancestors failed to do, using an old book of spells form Great Grandpa's War Chest?

This is a GREAT shadowrun character!

Sure, you may be working with some Schweinehund along the way, some disgusting goblins, some prissy damned knife ears, or some overrated midgets, but it is all to a greater goal. It is all to the end goal of finding your own way to weave a spell and/or ritual to cleanse this world of its "Dragons" and "Metasapients"

There is only room on this planet for TRUE Humans. Aryans! And only then will you sleep easy at night, knowing your ancestors would be proud of the work you did.

So, is it sad that you'd go unnoticed? NO! It is a glorious blessing. When everything you do is going to be assumed to belong to a dragon or some other grand mastermind, you can sit back and go with the flow, knowing nobody will suspect you.

The best part is, Black magic is a charisma based tradition, so you can also double as a face, which would greatly assist with you hiding your true colors.

>>51696717
Diplomacy is a specialisation of Negotiation skill. They probably meant either "Negotiation" or "diplomacy in general".

>>51696717

NEGOTIATION (CHARISMA)
Negotiation governs a character’s ability to apply their charisma, tactics, and knowledge of situational psychology in order to create a better position when making deals. Default: Yes
Skill Group: Influence
Specializations: Bargaining, Contracts, Diplomacy

>>51696748
With all the weird Nazi Occult stuff floating around, I feel like they might actually be more tolerant of some metasapiants than of regular human ethnicities.

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Is it worth the risk of addiction for a sammy to stock up on combat-drugs like Jazz and Kamikaze? I'm kind of growing on the idea of a samurai who's all about blitzing people in a drug-fueled haze whenever a fight's not a complete pushover.

This is my first time playing a Face - what kind of questions should I be asking at a Johnson meeting?

>>51696771
I don't really think so
most of those Nazis strictly believed in eugenics and would therefore discard/dispose most of the other meta-humans

>>51696918
Objectives, success criteria, things to avoid, where to deliver goods(if any)
Pay offered, pay in advance (in percent/nuyen), pay for bonus objectives
Useful materials(maps/guard shifts/passcodes/etc.)

>>51696918
>what kind of questions should I be asking at a Johnson meeting?
"How much would you be willing to pay us?"
"Why are you low-balling us?"
And so on and so forth.

>>51696960
They believe in eugenics against human ethnicities, not against gods and magical beings. They believed in Odin and Hyperborea. Do you really think they'd try and genocide the Aesir and the Vanir if it turned out they were real?

>>51696918
>What's your proposed objectives?
>What exactly is [whatever they're hiring you to kill/steal/protect]?
>What resistance can we expect and do they know we're coming?
>Do you have any floorplans or details on the objective's location?
>Will you be offering any support or resources to assist us?
>How shall we contact you once we've completed our objective?
>How will you pay us, and how will this payment be transferred?
>Do you have any questions for us?

You might consider asking for details about who your Johnson is representing why the completion of this run is important to them, but nine times out of ten it's not important and your Johnson might be slighted by the breach of anonymity. Also, keep in mind that your Johnson will be asking questions of his own, a lot of them centered around why your team is suitable for this, but if you've ever bullshitted a job-interview that shouldn't be hard to prepare for.

>>51696901
It's possible
get yourself the narco geneware and the nephritic screen bioware

>>51696760
>>51696767
Ahh, so when you use Diplomacy for Negotiation purposes, you use Logic instead of Charisma. Got it, thanks.

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>>51697139
>Any drug that grants a positive attribute modifier as an effect increases that modifier by +1. Any drug that deals damage when it wears off deals two less damage, and any negative effects that occur when a drug wears off are halved in duration. On Addiction Tests, take a -2 dice pool modifier when you aren’t addicted to the drug you’re rolling for, and a +2 dice pool modifier when you are addicted to the drug.
And with the -2 dp modifier negated by the Nephritic Screen, this is gonna make one hell of a monster. Hell, I might not even need initiative-enhancing 'ware for a while.

Cheers anon!

>>51696300
>Metatype inclusive Nazis vs Aryan Humans only Nazis
Could be a neat scenario. >>51696491 has the right idea. Ork "kids" getting recruited at the age of 8 to join the Seattle Uber National Sociliast Party Young League, getting in gang fights with 18 year old kids in the Purified National Socialist Party Youth Wing. Which gan- I mean, politclub are you going to sell that tear gas to? Whose assassination job are you gonna take?

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>>51697247
>Kamikaze
>+1 Body, +1 Agility, +2 Strength, +1 Willpower, +2 Physical limit, +2D6 Initiative Dice, High Pain Tolerance 3
And if I'm reading this correctly, narco makes it:
>+2 Body, +2 Agility, +3 Strength, +2 Willpower, +2 Physical limit, +2D6 Initiative Dice, High Pain Tolerance 3

I'm actually kind of thankful that my frugal habits mean I'll put off injecting on the possibility that something worse might come along only to end the campaign with a keg of Kamikaze.

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I have an interesting dilemma for you, /tg/.

Hypothetically speaking, if I were to add some code into Chummer that pre-filled the Notes field for any object of a given name from a custom XML file, it could allow for GMs to prepopulate notes about their house rules and such. In theory this could also allow some unscrupulous entity to import all the fluff and rules text for any given object. Obviously I couldn't distribute that as part of the main binary, but I'm not sure how much that feature would contribute to CGL being salty at me.

tl;dr can add automatic notes capability to Chummer that would let it show fluf text, unclear on how good an idea it is

>>51697444
Don't take this as legal advise, but wouldn't that be okay as long as you yourself didn't distribute such a file?

>>51697444
I would find it useful, mostly for specific rules and details about gear, wireless bonuses and the like.

>>51697862
>>51697617
>>51697444
There are old sr4 character generators that does exactly that

They're not as well made as chummer but the little descriptions are very convenient.

>>51697942
>old sr4 character generators
could you name some? because the onlz ones I know are the original chummer and HeroLab

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>>51697617
That's my theory, yes. Legally I think it's skirting fair use, but my major concern

Mostly it's just on my list of things that Herolab does that people complain that Chummer can't (I am a very bitter and petty person when it comes to people bleating that Herolab is better than Chummer because x) and it seems like the kind of quality of life improvement that it'd be good to add. I actually could have implemented this when I implemented the notes about the striking callus, now that I think of it.

>>51697983
the one I used before chummer was daegann's character generator and it had descriptions for everything

What character sheets do you guys use?

>>51698193
There's more than one?

>>51698455
I assume there are custom ones floating around

>>51698068
As long as it's got fewer features than AD&D Core Rules 2.0, people will find things to bitch about.

I was just reading through the part of Chrome Flesh that talk about mental illness. Has it occurred to anyone else that holy shit there is a lot of potential money to be made by being a psychologist to the shadowrunning community?

How do you guys run? My team right now have been Cowboy Bebop incarnate. Real story driven usually. We do jobs, but sometimes sabotage them if they end up too evil, don't get paid much, just enough to pay bills and ammo, are good, but flawed people driven into the job by circumstance, and most of our jobs lately at least one of us had a personal connection to.

Oh, and the GM likes us to be fairly strong to compensate for how little cash we earn, so our karma rewards are nuts. I've been enjoying the ride on our ship as we sail the seven seas.

>>51698068
>oh geez this completly free and regulary updated prigram doesn't do the thing this 30$ one do
What the shit man? You, /srg/ and chummer5 is the reason I got grasp on the system and I'm in a game right now.
Spend 20 min copypasting desceiptions for every single program and didn't complain.

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>>51697139
I'm making a character that uses BTLs. What can I take to mitigate the addiction, other than Drug Tolerant?

>>51698556
It's a risk/reward thing, chummer. There's mad cash, yeah, but you've gotta spend an hour sitting in a room with a 200 kilo cyborg barely clinging onto his soul and encourage them to let his emotions out.

Try to avoid hypnotherapy.

>>51698748
>Try to avoid hypnotherapy.
Dare I ask why?

>>51698678
High LOG and WIL, I think BTLs are Psychologically addictive, not Physiological or both

>>51698558
Poor.
Spend the last 3 sessions gm-ing since the gm couldn't make it for one and did not have time to prepare runs for the other two. Exams, you know. Got some karma and my rent payed for this.
The last two runs i was in as a player were with absolutly no money and decent karma.
So in 5 game sessions i have saved 32 karma and my bank balance have not moved from 4k. I'm playing a street sam. There is no more than 3 days down time.
>this is fine
At least ths rest is fun

>>51698768
Because it's only a matter of time before you get one who took the Incomplete Deprogramming negative quality and you become a fine red smear on the ceiling.

>>51698952
The books says you can actually detect that ahead of time, though, it's a Psychology + Logic [Mental] (12, 1 day) Extended Test. You can also do it with Mind Probe, but
>shadowrunners
>comfortable with Mind Probe

>>51698591
I refer you to
>I am a very bitter and petty person when it comes to people bleating that Herolab is better than Chummer because x

Hell, I got salty because someone implemented a Herolab to Roll20 exporter like a week after we added that functionality to Chummer. Admittedly it's buggy as fuck because Herolab's data architecture is terribad, but still!

Moral of the story, Overly Attached Girlfriend is my spirit animal.

>>51699078
>Moral of the story, Overly Attached Girlfriend is my spirit animal.
Don't you mean "Mentor Spirit"?

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>>51699120
Mundanes don't get mentors, omae.

On the subject of mentor spirits, what if there was a technomancer equivalent of them?

>>51699264
There was back in 4. They were called Paragons. I imagine they'll come back in the techno book.

>>51694925
Are you going to link those sheets?

>>51694210
Gas vents are essentially comps, they're mutually exclusive with suppressors. The loudest part of a gunshot report is the escaping gases breaking the sound barrier; if you compensate the recoil by directing gases to counteract muzzle climb, you can't really use a suppressor, can you?

T. /k/

>>51699264
From the Technobook, I kind of want Technomancer Traditions as well as Technomancer Mentor Spirits. Traditions like "Sons of Deus" or "Technoshaman".

>>51699929
I houserule that you can mod Suppressors and Gas-Vents to the same gun, but their effects are mutually exclusive. You can take a Simple Action (Free Action w/ Wireless) to close or open the gas-vents, because future guns.

>>51697198
No, it's the other way around. When you use negotiation for diplomatic purposes, you use logic. Negotiation is the umbrella, the specialisations fall under it.

So when you're trying to convince someone and have that quality, you'd use log+negotiation+modifiers instead of cha+negotiation. You'd still use cha for anything else that falls under negotiation.

>>51694925
Why not generate a rat shaman, rat changling focused on summoning hordes?

Named Bitey McBiteface

>>51699988
Sure, that works. In fact, a lot of modern suppressors are designed to go direcly over muzzle brakes, so you essentially have the same thing except you don't have to remove the can when you want to counteract recoil.

Is there a spell like mnemonic enhancement?

>>51699988
Technomancer Streams are supposed to be in the book, from what I heard. They're the toaster equivalent of traditions.

Does your DM/Do you ever reference stuff from Earthdawn and the 4th world, despite ED and SR being separate nowadays?

If so, how much? Have you ever gone full crossover?

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Is there any way to make a viable "support" character? I'm tired of making characters who conform to the Face/Street Samurai dynamic, mostly due to optimization starting to make them look kinda samey. Is there anything to add to a party besides making a character who can either kill what the Face can't talk to or talk to what the Samurai isn't allowed to kill?

>>51700345
...A hacker?

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>>51700345
1)Matrix characters (Technomancers, Riggers and Deckers)
2)Utiltiy Mages

Okay folks, Johnny B Goode, an Awakened elven huckster/con artist raised on the mean streets only has 2,400 nuyen (6,000 to start but 3,600 of it is an Argentum Coat that was a gift from his rich girlfriend) what is the bare minimum equipment he needs to survive his first shadowrun, get his pay & impress his girl?

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>>51694925
Would you mind posting the sheets for both?

Wasn't there a non-quickstart 5e version of Food Fight?

>>51700413
I'm asking because my GM has a group of mostly new players and wants to run it as the classic quick test/intro thing, but all I can find for 5e so far is the Quick Start one.

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>>51700110

Tempting. Very tempting.

Except Chummer doesn't have anything for Shapeshifters, so posting a character sheet would be very difficult.

And there is nothing in the rules for a Rat shapeshifter, and I have no idea how i'd stat one. Would be pretty neat idea though.

Lord of the rats.

>>51700410

Sure. Here's Slinx the cybernaga (>>51690975 ) He was in the last thread so I'm just gonna link him.

And here is the sheet for badger.

>>51700413
>>51700452
It's also in the Beginner Box/Alphaware thing.

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>>51700345
Utility Mage, decker, rigger, strategist (Armchair General with a Pi-Tac, oodles of Leadership and Small Unit Tactics can be loads of fun).

>>51700395
Fake SINs/licenses
Commlink
Gun
Decent Armor

E Resources is hard, might want to spend karma for more nuyen.

Are skillwires addicting? It's listed in the addiction table but not mentioned anywhere else.

>>51700362
>>51700378
>>51700502

Its just a matter of personal opinion, but I hate matrix stuff. And I've grown frustrated with having to build around keeping up with street samurai in combat even if I'm not cybered to the last tenth of my Essence.

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Here's my question: why the fuck is finding a game, any game, of Shadowrun 5 so goddamn hard. Roll20 has a few but the times don't work for me, and my flgs only plays d&d, pathfinder, and MTG. I just want to play dammit.

>>51700955
There was >>51687746 on the previous thread, but your guess if they are still looking for a player.

Otherwise, just GM yourself, I tried that and had fun for a while. Just screen players before getting them to the game to prevent the hardcore weirdoes

>>51700955
Because 5e is shit. People try to get into the system, and unless someone handholds them (and nobody wants to handhold on /tg/)through the shocking editing, they go pursue easier things.

>>51700922
Make whatever build you like but leave some money aside to get a bunch of drones with a decent pilot program. Get some for combat and a utility one to repair the others.

Voila! Now you don't need to be able to fight because whenever shit starts, you can just call in air support.

>>51700736
It means its addictive. BUT, because almost no one uses Skillwires and it doesn't say if you'd need to roll for Physiological, Psychological, or both, chances are your GM will completely forget about it because he has more important shit to remember about. Like how many cybercocks he can fit on the opposing Street Samurai runner without compromising combat effectiveness.

>>51700955
Because life is pain, anon. Also, you don't have a Catalyst Demo Team GM living in your local area like me. Often I wish we could play more than once every two weeks, but guys like you who have no games make me count my blessings.

>>51700955
Because it is legitimately the worst SR edition.

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>>51701014
>nobody wants to handhold on /tg/

But holding hands is lewd, anon.

>>51700730
Can you go without a SIN for a while?

>>51700456
Do a dwarf melee physadept (or whatever does the next trait best) who is as tanky as possible without a single piece of essence loss, and stone golem that aids him all his fights. I think non-cybered folks need a lesson in just how tough magic can make you

>>51701241
Ha.

Hahahaha.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA GET A SIN YOU FUCKING SCRUB

>>51701075
Why?

So, I'm planning on building a rigger, and stuggling a bit on putting the concept in paper. I wanna build a dude with a bunch of drones (6-10) shooting for him, not so much him jumped on one and fighting personally.
I just need a RCC with a datajack, right? No need for a control rig unless I plan to get inside the machine?
What are things I need to make a Rigger work? Any traps I should avoid?

>>51701241
Not really. You're better off going without a weapon, cause at least you have magic.

>>51701246

So... Tank mage (dwarf) who could take being ran over by a train?

I'm missing the Stone Golem thing. Do you mean, like, an Earth Spirit? Or does Shadowrun actually have Golemancy?

>>51701289
The core of the Drone Rigger is the RCC. You don't even need the Datajack, but its a really flavorful option that comes with a free noise reduction. Don't forget to take Engineering Toolkits so you can repair your drones effectively, along with the appropriate skill.

Its a trap to dump too many resources into any one drone, because drones violently explode into unusable scrap when their condition monitors are filled.

Would it be silly to take Exceptional Attribute (Magic) to get 7 magic, and then lower it down to 6 with cyber/bioware?

>>51701379
So I just get some factory default drones, slap autosofts and a gun, and not much else? Customization is mostly for vehicles?

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>>51701320
Yes, Tank Mage. By Stone Golem I mean anything that counts as stone, will obey the dorf and punch the shit outta things in combat

Apologies for the confusion. I'm still learning the rules, and I have not yet had a chance to play shadowrun besides the vidya. I am following these character sheets to get a better idea of what you can do in this game

>>51701261
Lots of poor bastards in the sprawl dont have a SIN. He only has to be without it for one run, then cash in for a good one. I mean it wont be horrible to just spend some karma for one but i thought it would be interesting

>>51701246
Nah instead of adept, go dwarven mage, focused on being a pimp

>>51701417
For your Drones you pilot in a horde with the intention of just spraying suppressing and FA fire with, maybe a little armor is nice, but that is as far as I go with them. You can use the savings to splurge more on your less likely to blow up drones and your tank of a vehicle.

>>51701417
Customization is for vehicles, very durable drones and drones you don't expect will be shot at.

>>51701452
>Lots of poor bastards in the sprawl dont have a SIN.
And trust me, you don't want to be one of them. Better you have a real SIN as a runner than no SIN at all.

>>51701447

Sure, I can give it a try. I'll probably do something extremely unorthodox, but hey, that's the whole point of my challenges.

I may have something tomorrow, I'm crawling into bed now.

>>51701624
>he actually sleeps

>>51701740
Hey, it's cheaper than a Long Haul addiction.

>>51698193
The roll20 sheets are fairly good for 5e. Saves a lot of time with calculations.

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>>51698193

The Hayek sheets (in the pastebin) are pretty solid if you want a physical sheet.

The players in my group use either herolab or chummer, and we have our laptops at the table.

What type of hack action would "disable a device by attempting to download my ENTIRE porn collection into it all at once" be?
Bricking?

>>51702552
Mechanically? Format Drive, Reboot Device. After getting 3 marks.

>>51701320
Golems sort of exist, Quabbalism is a possession Tradition of they use fashioned vessels for their spirits to inhabit, so does do the Egyptian Tradition.

>playing dragonfall
>be adept, looking at armor options
>there's armors that increase willpower, charisma, spellcasting, conjuring, etc
>not a single one to increase chi casting

ALL I WANT IS SOME MYSTIC ARMOR REEEEEEEEE

What exactly are the pros and cons of 4th and 5th ed?

>>51702991
Depends of how good your german is.

>>51702991
5e has players and is overall more streamlined, 4e at this point has few players and no real definite advantages. Anything in 4e either can, or already has been, ported to 5e with little effort required.

>>51703063
5e is, however, a poorly-edited mess.

>>51703082
Doesn't matter thanks to Chummer

>>51702991
>>51703063
>>51703082

The only point in 4e's favor I see mechanically speaking is that the costs for cyberware and for a hacker setup are far and away more reasonable. I've basically been running 5e with closer to 4e gear prices.

Also, I like a lot of the globalized view (not just Seattle) and plot arcs of early 4e, although basically anything after the tempo arc sucked pretty bad. I try not to think about War and Attitude too much.

>>51703093
Who would run a game entirely off Chummer?

>>51703119
4e's also good if you like the wireless-ness of the world in that edition.

>>51702552

>Loading dir/FUTA/
>comlink explodes

>>51701289
I wouldn't put any serious nuyen into a drone that's less armored than a kitted out Steel Lynx, but one thing that you might want to ask your GM is if you can mount a flash-pak on a drone. There's really no reason you shouldn't be able to (they're rechargeable rather than explosive and can be activated wirelessly, which somewhat implies that they can be hardwired), and they give anyone firing at your drone a -4 penalty (less with flare comp, of course). They last for 10 rounds before needing a recharge.

A -4 to an enemy's shooting pool is akin to a +4 to your own dodge pool, which combined with 4-6 drones suppressing someone with AKs, should keep them alive longer.

>>51703136
Chummer gives you sources, anon, so that you don't have to dig for things yourself.

>>51703119
>>51703136

I agree, and I do, but they didn't go so far from it as to really repulse me in 5th. The Noise stuff seems like a nice tool to rein in the hacker-from-home types if you have them, but I didn't honestly have a huge problem with that before.

>>51702916
SR:R doesn't care about adepts until Hong Kong, and then only just.

Techno here. What am I exactly supposed to do with my cash? Once I have general "Not dying" items, what items exist to aid with my matrix shenanigans/resonance abilities? Can't run programs/upgrade my deck, can kind of "Buy" Complex Forms by bribing other TMs to teach me, but I'm at a loss of what to do with my cash related to my primary role that isn't just "convert it to karma." 3pp/custom content is generally allowed with my GM if that's relevant.

>>51703451
>convert cash to karma

This is a thing?
t. karma-hungry mage

Spell List for FaceMage that doesnt want to kill
Heal
Phys Mask
Armor
Increase Reflexes
Euphoria
Phys Barrier
Levitate
Magic Fingers
Fashion
Stunball

Rate me/Suggest better spells?

>>51703488
>>51703451
Mission has rules to convert Cash to Karma, so there are some official rules to convert them. They also go the other way, for when Sammies need that last push to get something extra.

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I tried my hand at building a rigger hailing from the proud nation of Québec. Is my build (particularly, armored-up SMG-toting rotodrones) viable? Should I have built him around a better pun than "Québequadcopter"?

>>51703488
Donate to a charity I suppose. I recommend the Universal Brotherhood.

Ayy yo Yekka when're we gonna get a new Stable senpai

>>51703610
Where are the rules?

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>>51703647
Next week, probably? Sweeping changes made by one of the other devs are a bit less tested and stable than I'd like for a stable build.

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>>51703451

Upgrade your lifestyle? You're a character. What do they want from their life? If you're going to live a high-risk runner life, you might as well get to ball like a rap star.

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>>51703656
Page 11, the official "Living RPG" rules. You can convert 1 Karma to 2000ny and vice versa, once between missions.

At chargen, how much cash does 1 karma give you?

>>51703849
RTFB

>>51703849
2000 nuyen.

>>51701287
They took all the problems of SR4 that were merely book layout issues, and minor balance tweaks, then said "Fuck it" Let's make all this worse and put little effort into it. It's like they made 5 over the weekend after finally taking a cursory glance of 4's grievances.

So while most fixes would have been simple, they instead went the completely ass backwards route and then covered everything up with grodnardisms to appeal to an imagined audience of 2e and maybe 3e players.

4 is good and simple, but its books are laid out by schizophrenics in the middle. Lots of important rules just kinda listed midway through here and there.

>>51703849
-5000

With knowing only these three things about the setting...
>Dragons woke up one day and started being cunts/ruling the world trough cashmoney
>There's tolkien races, vampires and zombies are virus based and magic
>Aztecs are lolsorandom evil
what do I need to know to properly run a shadowrun game? Does the setting allow some creative thinking or is it all "Oh you're just mercenaries for coca cola oh and maybe magic exists I dunno!"? How well can you treat it as a proper modern fantasy setting?

I know the rules from playing it previously, all I need is a quick read down of them and I'm good to go.

>>51704278
>How well can you treat it as a proper modern fantasy setting?
What do you mean by this?

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>>51693991

Total newfag to shadowrun here, is anarchy a good introduction to shadowrun ?

is anarchy any good at all ?

>>51704308
Sorta.

>>51704308
As an introduction it would work; but no, it is a terrible system.

>>51704299
... Can I run this as a modern fantasy setting and not have autist players screech about going off setting?

you know mix the feel between fantasy and modern civilization. Cars powered like constructs with magic, poaching unicorns, the wizardnet.

>>51704308
no and no.

>>51704308
Nope

>>51704344
As long as you don't play with shadowrun autists that is unlikely to be a problem. That said the system is hardly a draw point, it's always been a bit of a clusterfuck, so if you aren't here for the setting I would suggest looking elsewhere

>>51704344
Kinda?

>Cars powered like constructs with magic,
Some magical traditions can possess a car with a spirit, causing it to animate, but it's not very sustainable.

>poaching unicorns,
This can 100% be a thing.

>the wizardnet.
Why, when the Matrix is available to everyone with a SIN and perfectly serviceable?

That said, listen to >>51704378

>>51704378
>As long as you don't play with shadowrun autists
Past the few stragglers they are the only ones who care.

Also I dont give a shit about the system past its use to tell a story, its just I wanted to at least ease shuffling trough the shit that isn't very good.

>>51704384
Like the matrix and SIN.

>>51704407
>I wanted to at least ease shuffling trough the shit that isn't very good.
In this thread, the only way to get there is to close the pdf
Honestly, just know a few core mechanics, maybe pick a country that is not really fluffed and call it an "Awakened honeypot" so you have more classical urban fantasy stuff.
Pick up basic fluff on the techside, corps and crime. Anything can be put on a magic side, just if you don't feel comfortable playing with heavy tech, just tell the players no deckers or riggers. Streetsams are not that heavy on tech, and you can make Faces/Infiltrators magical.

Magic-based shadowrun can be really fun, and plenty of people run tech-side-based shadowrun games, just make it clear before the game starts and that the setting we'll be a bit more homebrewed and work out the rest.

>>51704407
Well that's the thing, shadowrun is probably crunchy enough to get in the way of your story, and character creation is involved. You'd be better off trying to re-work Chronicles of Darkness, the system is similar and you could port things you want from shadowrun fairly like metatypes fairly easily.

Alright, I fucked up. I accidentally just made an entire character with Chummer in safe mode or whatever the damn green outline around the program is, and I have no idea how to actually access the sheet, since it doesn't appear to show up if I don't have chummer in that mode, and it doesn't show up for normal transfers or anything.

Please fucking god help, I just spent like 3 hours on this.

>>51696748
Well, what kind of negative qualities would a sixth world nazi have ? all and every prejudice ?
or would it be simpler and more in depth to design a own code of honour[uebermensch] ?

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How would you feel if your GM sent you on an out-of-town run, and it turns out the run takes place in a goddamn fantasy land of whimsy and magic?

>>51705561
so you mean out of town ?

there is basically a 50/50 chance that "ot of town" means either a place brimming with plants, spirits and magic or a Mad Max post-apocalyptic hellscape

>>51705561
Do you mean Tir Na Nog or Court of Shadows?

>>51705582
>>51705584
sorry, I reposted because forgot pic.

And man, if I could play a tir run like "you are going on a touching fantasy adventure" then yes.

>>51699078
Wait... WAIT... Chummer can export to Roll20?!!

>>51705459
>Please fucking god help, I just spent like 3 hours on this.

Christ man, just write down (or type it up) on a doc and then put it back in when the shit works properly

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>>51705459
Safe mode? Chummer doesn't have a safe mode. What version are you on?>>51699078
Kinda sorta mostly. File -> Export -> JSON, copy the text, and you should find there's an import dealie in the Shadowrun 5th Edition (Advanced) sheet.

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Where can I find out details about the Orange Wall? I have the Caribbean League fan-made document. This pic came from another /srg/ thread, it doesn't quite match the official map.

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>>51694177
I've never seen one. CGL's website is a shitshow so there's no easy way to check there, and anything online is just what people have noticed they changed between printings of specific books.

>>51704344
Just run CofD with the Shattered Mirror rules for a shadowrun distopia, its in there. Or Dresden Fate

>>51706975 oops...
8 seconds with a search engine later...
http://shadowrun.wikia.com/wiki/South_Florida
Is there any other material?

Chummers, how do I add a weapon focus on Chummer? My brain kinda stopped working after 10 minutes of searching...

>>51707216
Gear>Foci>Weapon Focus, you need to have an existing melee weapon in the Weapons section first

>>51703494
Armor->Deflection
Phys.Barrier->Improved Invisibility
Euphoria->Opium Den
Stunball->Stunbolt
Phys/Mask->Influence

>>51707313
Thank you!

So if technomancers are supposed to be mages and shamans except for the Matrix, will we ever see some sort of technomancer equivalent to adepts? The physads to the decker's streetsam?

>>51705964
Hey, minor error thing. Prototype Transhuman forces you to take one of Wanted, Allergy (Common, Mild), Astral Beacon, or Insomnia (10), but Chummer just lets you take it anyway. Would there be a way to work that in?

Hey yekka
I'd hate to submit data entry with crash inducing critters, if the problem is with the XML then leave me a message on the github issue so I can fix it
I've been testing every critter I've added/altered (good thing too, so many crashes from bad XML) and these guys are bugging me
https://github.com/chummer5a/chummer5a/issues/1432

2 more from the mutants and toxic section to go

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>>51707560
I think I've seen rumors about something like that being included in the upcoming Technomancer book

I would love to brick people's gear through the power of punches.

>>51707729
>I would love to brick people's gear through the power of punches.
I was thinking more among the lines of "technomancers, but they actually work well when you play them like deckers".

>>51707752
This would make deckers obsolete, no?

>>51707772
Do physads make streetsams obsolete?

>>51707786
I really, really doubt CGL's ability to pull something like that with technos.

>>51707786
Yes.

>>51707808
You're probably right, but it was a nice thought.

>>51707752
What could be fun as a near-techno is the ability to influence physical objects by touch. You wouldn't be able to use sprites or complex forms but you could essentially inject scrap code from the matrix into devices and gain some of the sprites powers.

Kinda like how Adepts have their own mana-infused abilities, a Techno-adept would have the same.

>>51707877
Running with this, why not an inherent ability where the person influences tech in near proximity and in contact?

Like a smartgun gets a bigger boost in accuracy, augmentations work a little better (and reduce essence less), and machines just seem to always work well for them. Maybe even a way to regain essence lost to augmentations as the soul adapts to the new technological body parts.

At the same time. tech that they don't want to work, such as enemy smartguns, augs, and decks get random glitches around them.

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>>51699191
But technomancers do get Paragons. Admit it, all these other blokes messing with Chummer are just sprites yearning to be free from your yoke!

For the unemerged, about how easy should it be for them to figure out I'm not a decker with an implanted deck? Do people who aren't matrix specialists have the ability to figure out why I need an hour or two snooze after cracking that server, or can I just tell them that my "deck implant" uses a hell of a lot of energy when it works like that? Do I need to hide my Sprites from AR so people don't get spooked watching ghost code filter into their gun?

I'm in Neo-Tokyo so I'm a bit edgy about three out of fucking four megacorps wanting to examine parts of my brain with a microscope.

>>51705578
Is it Court of Shadows? I told you, Jerry, I don't want to spend 6 months getting dicked over by immortal elves.

Id like to see a technodept that bonds with machines like a rigger but different. Like they could get something like smartlink without buying it, could remotely fire his weapon, activate wireless bonuses without connecting their gear to the matrix.

>>51707965
The thing about that passive buff aura thing is that A) it's kinda boring to just hand out flat bonuses, and B) half the characters people make from then on would dip into technoadept for the auto-reverse-Gremlins.

>>51708035
>three out of fucking four
It's 4 out of 4. Also AAs and some As.

>>51708035
I will take one MAD scanner or Assessing attempt to reveal that there is no cyberware in your brain. You could try to pretend it's no cutting edge and delta that it doesn't ping, or you could stuff your pockets with cheap commlinks and electronics parts, perhaps even an obsolete and out of order deck, and pretend it's a Distributed Deck.

So what kind of status are the Mormons in in this world? I was reading about the setting of Shadowrun and realized how Utah is now part of the NAN.

>>51708035
You can play pretend relatively easily with a fancied up comlink and 'trodes and pretend you rather not get cyberware because your body rejects them and you don't want the hassle.

>>51707965
and suddenly the world is filled with techno-adept munchkins borged up even more than you can manage now.
There would need to be a massive debuff to go with all those buffs. Maybe yeah you can buff cyber augs but they still cut your essence which cut your resonance which limits the buff ability

>>51708653
Are people really that tech-aloof? I mean, wont me breaking into the cop's cameras with a "commlink and trodes" set off some bells?

>>51709155
Of course it will, but unless you're running with fucking Clockwork the rest of the crew generally won't care and any of them who do catch on will be happy to play dumb.

>>51709155
>Are people really that tech-aloof?

Most people are, yes. If you go to the trouble of cosmetically camouflaging your gear, they would only see a "hacker" with what they believe is a "cyberdeck".

Only people with actual hacking knowledge could see through it. (And, yes, they would do so rather easily.)

So, if I was lookin' to run a small game, 2 people who are relatively new, would it be a bad idea to take a note from Shadowrun Returns? The idea of giving them a small job, which gets them on the good side of someone who has a base of operations and a fixer seems like giving them access to everything they need without just 'giving it away'

All this talk of technos is making me REALLY want to make one. No idea how to roll it up though. This'll be fun, when I get the chance.

>>51709326
Do something about your name.

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>>51709155
There's all kinds of form factors for decks, different gear you can use with them, and other options. If you tell people you have a deck, they'll believe you. Heck, you'll get bonus points for not being a scriptkiddie using some out-of-the-box corp-product.

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>>51709312
They need a fixer, and introductory modules (including Fast Food Fight) are designed to introduce a party to a fixer, or someone capable of introducing the PCs to a fixer. They don't need a base of operations; they're criminals, not terrorists.

>>51705964
hey yekka the price for lion's roar tailored perfume is a bit high in chummer lol

>>51709358

any suggestions? I just like keeping ahold of that post for easy reference.

>>51709155
There are enough people out there that have complications involving Augmentations that having a set of Trodes and a sack carrying a Cyberdeck wouldn't be an impossibility. If you want to walk around pretending to have an implanted deck, the first errant Assensing or MAD test will ruin that. I'd rather carry a dummy deck if I was in your position.

What's the best way to build a proper con man. A guy that lies and cheats his way to victory, but is too damn lazy/cowardly to want to fight.
Adept seems like the obvious choice but can something viable be achieved with cyberware for smuggling compartments and hidden weapons for self-defense? (An aversion to fighting doesn't mean he'll avoid it altogether.)

>>51709414
1) don't be namefag
2) don't be a namefag with the shittiest name possible
3) copypaste that number onto a stickynote if you can't remember it

>>51709456
I should add that when fights are inevitable and planned in advance, he'll use a sniper rifle like a real asshole.

With all the techno-talk, are there any good drugs for the resonance-aware?

>>51709567
Speedball yourself a cocktail of designer-grade Psyche and Novacoke just before it's go-time, chummer.

>>51709326
http://shadowrun.com/forums/discussion/comment/181431/#Comment_181431
Every time, until you like it

>>51707505
Barrier is amazing though, you can do so much with it.

>>51709458

1) don't be namefag

No.

2) don't be a namefag with the shittiest name possible

No.

3) copypaste that number onto a stickynote if you can't remember it

No.


Glad we got that out of the way.

>>51709708
Like onaholes!

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>>51709752
F-for example...

>>51709737
>can't even greentext
Holy shit, kill yourself faggot.

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>>51709737
>can't even greentext

No wonder you have such a problem not being a faggot.

>>51709794

>Thinks I give a shit about greentext

No.

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>>51709990
Go back to bed, Winternight. You had a fucking coup and nobody brings it up less than a decade later. You're a joke of a toastercult.

>>51707055
still, that's more'n I could find

Do you have links?

>>51710064
Pax remains and preserves

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Rate this idea for a series of runs:

PART 1: Pygmalion and Galatea
>a Knight Errant contact is Mr. Johnson tonight
>a woman was found dead 3 months ago in Bellevue, but someone who looks just like her has been spotted living in Renton
>his superiors don't want him to waste time chasing dead ends, but Mr.Johnson has a very strong gut feeling on this one, so he's paying out of pocket to have you investigate
>the money isn't good, but if you can find something significant he can acquire police funds to pay you to investigate further

>however they manage to find the woman's residence in Renton, the security is surprisingly tight, though nothing professionals like them can't handle

>the woman is an e-ghost trapped in an R4 Realistic Features Renraku Nadeshiko with no way out
>she doesn't remember how she died, nor how she ended up trapped in the drone
>she's just happy that she did, because the drone is very, very close to what she remembers being in life
>it's also how she met her boyfriend, who was one of Renraku's top drone technicians before he extracted to Shiawase with her so that she could keep the drone
>she mentions that Renraku has been very persistent in trying to hunt her down and get her back, far more than they should for any mere drone, perhaps because they were aware that she was inhabiting it
>the two lovebirds have had to move twice now since they were extracted, and now that you've found them they'll have to move again
>it's not all bad though, this time they'll probably get into the Shiawase Arcology when Renraku won't go after them anymore
>upon receiving this information, Mr.Johnson pays you and requests that you stay on his retainer for a few days

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>>51710378
PART 2: Mastermold
>two days later, he hires you for another job and the money is good this time
>though he dismisses the e-ghost as an incredible coincidence, he's convinced that it's no coincidence that the drone resembled the deceased woman so strongly, so he needs you to break into the Renraku facility where the drone was built and get all and any information concerning whomever ordered it that is on file
>he's put his professional reputation and his relationship with his superiors on the line to secure the funds for this, so you had better produce results, damn it!
>security is what you'd expect from the facility, plus/minus a few experimental wardrones, except when they go after the paydata
>the paydata, and curiously only the paydata, is protected by some sprites
>if the runners care to look at the paydata before handing it over, they'll see that the drone was custom-ordered to very exact specifications by a high-ranking Renraku official
>he has also ordered several other Nadeshikos to the same sort of exact specifications previously over the past 10 years
>again, Mr.Johnson pays you and asks you to stay on retainer

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>>51710396
PART 3: The Fiend of the Pit
>before the end of the week, he hires you for a third job
>each of the Nadeshiko drones is nearly identical to a woman who had been found dead within the last 10 years, and each was ordered shortly before each woman's death
>though Mr.Johnson and his superiors are convinced that this is no coincidence and that the Renraku official must be involved with these deaths, they cannot figure out how he is involved without more information
>since the evidence is circumstantial at best, Mr.Johnson cannot get a warrant is which where you come in
>you will get into the Renraku official's residence, search the place for more concrete evidence and send him an "anonymous tip" that will get him a warrant and an all-clear for arresting the Renraku official
>he would very much prefer that you enter the residence under legal circumstances, but he's realistic; should you break and enter, he'll be able to frame it as a burglary that will ignore in the face of the current investigation
>the cybersecurity is very tight, tighter than it should be for someone of his position, and the Matrix in his house is CRAWLING with sprites
>4 Rotodrones with Ares Desert Strikes patrol the perimeter of property and there are 2 Steel Lynxes with HMGs guarding the basement, all assisted by machine sprites
>when they get into the basement they find the Nadeshiko drones in a rape dungeon set-up; after speaking with them the horrible truth become apparent
>the Renraku official is a Dissonant technomancer who has discovered a way to consistently create e-ghosts when killing people
>this would be bad on its own, but he is also a serial killer who kills women, traps their e-ghosts inside a drone that looks just like them and keeps them in his rape dungeon because that's his sick fetish
>and just as the runners they go to leave, they find that the Renraku official has come home early today
>with his security retinue of 2 more 2 Steel Lynxes with HMGs, of course

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>>51710378
>>51710396
>>51710418
9/10, would run. Personally I'd include the option for another mission inside Pygmalion, acting as security for the couple as they go from Renton to the Shiawase facility (I don't know if they have an arcology in or near Seattle).

Also,
>police work
>paying well

Give extra good boy karma, access to some stuff from the evidence locker, the cop as a contact and/or some info from police files that the characters would want for personal reasons instead of cash.

So what kind of variations on troll horns are there? We've all seen classic ram horns or goat horns, and even some crown of horns style arrangements, but what about long straight horns like an oryx? Or big antlers like a moose? Unicorn/rhino horn?

>>51710627
>Or big antlers like a moose?
Common in Canada, or so I hear.

>>51710627
Atlantic trolls with narwhal horns.

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>>51710648
Ireland too.

>>51710515
>Personally I'd include the option for another mission inside Pygmalion, acting as security for the couple as they go from Renton to the Shiawase facility (I don't know if they have an arcology in or near Seattle).
Well, this idea started out as you being the ones who extracted Pygmalion and Galatea, so perhaps that could be tied in as well.

Is it possible to achieve real status/fame/wealth and still operate as a shadowrunner?

>>51710683
If I ever had a reason to regret not being born into the Stone Age, it would be knowing that I'll never bring down a beast with such an impressive rack.

>>51710724
It's relatively easy if you run in LA.

Let's say I wanted to play a beastmaster type character with a bunch of chimeric animals, how would I go about doing that? Because both Chrome Flesh and Howling Shadows are really vague on what stuff actually costs, availability, limitations on numbers of powers, and shit like that apart from 100,000+ nuyen and availability 12 for a custom chimera.

>>51710798
There's a homebrew price list, either in the pastebin or on reddit. Because Hardy is a bastard man who thinks that you shouldn't have pets.

But in general, lots of money and STIRUP systems.

How can I avoid damage from the sun as a vampire/nosferatu? Does orthoskin/dermal plating help? What about allergy-bioware?

>>51710798
Howling Shadows actually does have prices for chimeras and genetic modifications. It just doesn't have prices or availability for the base form animals. So you have formulas that are useless, because the equations used are based on information that doesn't exist.

Because Catalyst is shit.

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>>51710884
>Because Hardy is a bastard man who thinks that you shouldn't have pets.
I mean, honestly, as a shadowrunner you honestly shouldn't have any sort of dependents, not that it stops anyone.

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>>51710990
>Does orthoskin/dermal plating help?
No.

>What about allergy-bioware?
A little unclear, but I'd rule no.

It's a magical condition. If sunlight touches you, you burn. If you include something into your body (like orthoskin) it becomes a part of your aura and you burn. If you're wearing clothes, then maybe you burn (I don't think there's ever been an official ruling in any edition about whether or how many layers of clothes stop the sunlight).

You avoid the penalty by staying in your crypt during the day.

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What happens if you play a SURGE'd vampire with the photosynthesizing skin thing?

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>>51711054
>as a shadowrunner you honestly shouldn't have any sort of dependents

A good chunk of the runners out there got into the shadows because they had dependents and needed to pay the bills. Also,
>2077
>not having a 10/10 cyberdoggo who curls up with you to sleep, is trained to always use the bathroom outside, and can receive texts to break out the medkit when you are on your way back from the latest run

There's so many options.

>>51711054
>Implying a chromed out grizzly bear is a dependent
Set him loose in the barrens and he even feeds himself!

>>51711160
The group changes the session schedule and doesn't tell you.

>>51711164
>A good chunk of the runners out there got into the shadows because they had dependents and needed to pay the bills.
Yeah, I know. Ideally people with high-risk jobs shouldn't have dependents, but people often don't get much of a choice about it IRL and Shadowrun is a dystopia to boot.

>>51711160
You gain sympathy points, and need less blood. Still need Essence, especially for those sun burns if you don't bundle up like woah, but at least you don't need as much blood.

>>51711106
>If you include something into your body (like orthoskin) it becomes a part of your aura and you burn
Wait what? So if I get a cyberlimb, I burn up if light touches it?

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>>51710798
Since I got it from this thread, here have it

>>51711341
Can I train my goldfish?

>>51711304
Why not? It's part of you now. Do you say that if a Manabolt hits orthoskin it fizzles out and does nothing?

>>51711386
better Question, can you STIRUP it and have a goldfish infiltration biodrone.

>>51711304
>>51711391
I will admit, sunlight burning your cyberlimb seems kinda weird.

>>51711391
>>51711423
Yeah. Are you sure that this is a mana allergy, and not a physical one?

Who is the most qt jackpointer
and why is it Puck

>>51711304
By RAW, yes. It counts as part of your body. Hence why your critter powers still work with augmentations. So unless you want to be a vampire who loses his cyberlimbs/augmented spinal cord/skin every time he mist forms, you probably shouldn't try to game the system too hard with chrome.

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>>51711452
I don't know if the books clarify one way or the other, but a) it's gained through your magic transformation via HMHVV, and b) it can't be healed with Regeneration, so it always seemed to me to be the obvious 'vampires can't stand sunlight because magic'.

>>51711423
Mixing magic and cyberware IS weird. The vampire is already spending a bundle for high-rating 'ware and some morally flexible surgeons, he should expect some weird.

>>51711341
Hey, thanks man! Time for a wolf with bone lacing, I guess. Also, does bone lacing stack with existing natural bite attacks? Because the wording in Howling Shadows is kind of vague and it seems pretty silly that adding lacing to natural weapons would make them worse in a fight.

>>51711386
Probably. Though it should be really limited and suffer severe penalties to the test.

>>51711417¨
Well, there are roach biodrones, so goldfish don't seem particularly silly by comparison.

>>51711485
Then why does it come off when I'm hit with Turn to Goo?

>a vampire who loses his cyberlimbs/augmented spinal cord/skin every time he mist forms
Yes please. Mist Form is a shitty ability that was nerfed into the ground, and the DM always hard-counters it by saying the ventilation is vacuum sealed and or something

>>51711551
It could be magical damage, but that doesn't mean that it goes through clothing and other inorganic substances. That is how indirect spells work, after all.

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>>51711557
You know what you must do.

>>51711584
Because somebody went and wrenched the non-living metal, plastics, and wires from your sticky, glue-like warped flesh.

Same as if they'd managed to knock you out with a sleep spell and then took a mono-chainsaw to the anchoring bits of your body, only slightly less messy.

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>>51711662
That's not a bear drone, it's a drone bear.

>>51711692
No, what I'm asking is, why doesn't my 'ware and gear also turn to goo when hit by the spell?

>>51711717
Because Turn to Goo specifically just turns biological stuff into goo. Much like how Detect [Object] only works that category of thing, Detect Elves only finds Elves, Heal won't work on damaged cyber-limbs, and Shape Ice won't move water despite being the same thing.

>>51711584
>and the DM always hard-counters it by saying the ventilation is vacuum sealed and or something
Well, in a reality where turning to mist is a communicable disease, it makes sense. Hell, in a world with like a billion highly potent airborne toxins that can be purchased on the open market, it makes sense they would have filters. It's like complaining they have noise increasing features or astral security.

>>51711714
Yes, we were talking about biodrones/trained chimera. hence the chart of base animal costs.

>>51710663
That's a tooth anon

>>51711717
Because Turn Cyberware Into Goo is a separate spell?

>>51711811
>turning to mist is a communicable disease
They changed it so you have to really try hard to make people infected, unless you take a negative quality that makes you spread the disease like it's nobody's business. The special ventilation is specifically to stop infected intruders; that's literally the reason they give in the book.

>>51711840
It's not, but if it were, why would there need to be a distinction if its all part of your aura or whatever?

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>>51711815
I was saying that it wasn't a biodrone. That's a straight-up robot that's shaped like a bear.

>>51709737
Enjoy being on everyone's filters then, newfag. Including mine.

>>51711866
Or perhaps it is much dreaded....CyBEARzombie.

Are implanted close combat weapons that you paid essence for, like nailblades and spurs, affected by adept powers like elemental strike?

>>51711481
That's a funny way to spell /dev/grrl.

>>51711860
Different spells work in different ways. Direct Combat spells work by pumping mana into your aura or pattern and breaking it.

Essence tagged Healing spells work by trying to return your body into whatever shape your essence pattern says it should be in or modifying based on your pattern. This is why it has a penalty for essence loss, because either the pattern's weaker or has something in the way that those spells can't work around and so some of the effect is pointlessly wasted.

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>>51711915
get out

>>51711054
I actually think that Shadowrun lends itself best to realistic characters who just want to survive and provide for their loved ones the best they can in a shitty future world, and it just happens that running is often the only thing they can do or it pays better than the alternatives.

So yes, you shouldn't have dependents, but often there is no choice, or the other alternatives are even worse.

>>51711975
For real though, imagine how fucking terrifying that would be.

>>51711846
Actually, it just states biofilters are a thing in a lot of facilities, implying it's there to filter out any biological material contaminating the air supply. Now, the UV security lights are a different matter.

Anyway, it makes sense to invest in a couple of air filters to protect yourself from vampires if you're already spending millions on astral barriers, security spiders, HTR teams and whatnot.

>>51711926
No, they're not a part of your aura and thus cannot be used as a part of adept powers.

You could get them as weapon foci though I guess.

My GM is kind of a huge elf supremacist and it is starting to get redundant.

What do you guys think about elves in shadowrun and do you think he is right or wrong when he narrates them like they are clearly the superior metatype

>>51710378
>>51710396
>>51710418
Needs option for more runs, at least one optional from Mr. Johnson, and one the Runners can choose to do themselves. 3 runs seems to short, without enough time to let the horror of the investigation sink in. An intro mission, before meeting Mr. Johnson would be good. Something where the team catches his attention. It could be by doing related work taking on a technomancer, and getting a reputation for knowing how to handle them, or doing a job that gets them tangled into Mr. Pygmalions plot, like stealing some data or prototype for Pygmalion proxy henchman. Something to ease the players in

Alternative rewards for the run to cash (lol at a KE pawn having enough to pay decent for these runs)
>Keep some of Pygmalions unactivated drones for use on your runs. Imagine the scenarios for a couple of androids usable by the team
>Options for discreet and extremely corrupt KE jobs that pay well (killing a guy guarded by KE a third party wants dead without them getting blamed)


This seems like a great horror arc that'd be sad to cut short. Gotta have time for the terrible things to sink in

>>51711860
You have no idea how essence works, do you?

Short version: Ware fucks with your essence pattern. Hence the penalty to magic, because magic, being a natural force, has trouble recognizing you as a natural creature. But you still have an aura, so spells can affect you. Combat spells generally target your aura rather than any specific physical aspect of you, whereas healing spells specifically target your essence pattern. Hence the issue with magical healing and regeneration and ware.

Inherently magical creatures tend to react even worse to ware, because it fucks up their essence and their essence is part of their actual physical being. Hence why paracritters suffer much larger penalties for installing ware than even normal animals. Your arguments fail to take this difference into account.

Then there's also the rules that clearly state you don't get to take a disadvantage and have it not affect you using ware. For example, Blind doesn't let you see using cybereyes and Paraplegic doesn't let you walk using cyberlegs. If you have a disadvantage, the penalties can't be negated with augmentations, period. So even if you continue trying to logically explain why a vampire with dermal plating shouldn't combust in the sun, the rules state that he still does, logic be damned.

>>51711304
>So if I get a cyberlimb, I burn up if light touches it?
If you get a cyberlimb that would count towards covering up your body - if you fully cover up, that lowers your sunlight allergy one rank. High levels of pollution also lower your allergy one rank, as does UV radiation treatment (radiation shielding on your armour). You can effectively drag all but the most extreme sunlight allergies down to manageable levels by looking like a gimp in a rad suit and favouring heavily polluted cities.

>>51712074
Alright.

Kinda weird tho. If your hands are on fire and you claw at someone with your razornails he should feel the burn, no? And the blade that comes out of your arm should conduct the electricity that you channel with your body.

>>51712245
Honestly, it's such a niche thing that if it isn't overpowered, it should be fine even if it doesn't completely agree with the lore. Talk to your GM.

>>51712190
Well, there's no denying they got the long end of the stick. Even the rulebooks agree on that. They're prettier, live longer, more agile, and overall better than humans, and they don't get the stigma associated with being a deformed freak like most other metatypes.

But it's always important to remember that humans outnumber them by a lot, augmentations make their advantages less dominant than you'd think, and a lot of humans have the same opinion of elves as /tg/. Unless you're in one of the Tirs or something, acting like a stereotypical arrogant elf lord is liable to lead to an epic lynching by human supremacists. Hell, just looking pretty and stereotypically elven can give them an epic assbeating in the wrong neighborhoods.

Even just admitting you think elves are hot online should probably get you derisive comments on par with current day weebs posting AZN waifus from at least a portion of your audience. There's a reason metatype alterations are considered kind of a social taboo.

>>51711926
Like wearing Knuckles or a Stun Glove, they'd be affected by some, but not all Adept Powers. Critical Strike, Improved Ability, and Enhanced Accuracy would clearly work. However, I'd only allow Killing Hands and Elemental Strike to work when you're actually using your fists. There is a wording difference between "unarmed" and "Unarmed Combat" in adept powers which leads to me to believe they intended Killing Hands and Elemental Strike for bare fists.
Get a Weapon Foci Cyberspur and Elemental Weapon (Lightning), then have a wonderful old time.
Also, you can reach a higher peak of damage by using Bone Density/Lacing and Striking Callouses than you can reach with a Spur. If you were planning on playing a punch adept.
>>51712190
Elves are in a lot of ways the superior metatype, really, and I'm saying this as a fan of playing Orks. You live extraordinarily long. At worst, you're as charismatic as the average human. And then you're slightly more agile on top. Elves are exceptionally aware of their superiority, and thats part of their culture as smug fucking cunts.

>>51712225
>Combat spells generally target your aura rather than any specific physical aspect of you
Okay, but does sunlight only target your aura, or is it more like indirect combat spell where it actually needs to hit you?

Infected with the HMHVV 1 interact with augmentation differently; they get to take 'ware really easily, since they can just drain essence from another source.

Allergy is not one of the disadvantages that can't be countered by 'ware. In fact, there's 'ware specifically for allergies.

>>51712232
Thank you for the straight answer, anon.

>>51712074
But that's wrong, cyberware disrupts your aura but once integrated intp your body it is part of it, that's why a mage with cybereyes can still target spells, as the cybereyes count as his natural vision.

>>51712245
The idea is that ware is inherently unnatural and magic is based on channeling your natural power. Hence the disconnect. But to be honest, I wouldn't give a fuck. It's not like spurs are amazing weapons or anything, and you're taking a hit on your magic score. A duraplast combat knife would probably still be a better option for a concealable melee weapon for an adept.

>>51712331
>Even just admitting you think elves are hot online should probably get you derisive comments on par with current day weebs posting AZN waifus from at least a portion of your audience.
You watch your tongue, just because I've got yellow fever doesn't make me a weeb too.

>>51712368
That's not true. The lore is a bit contradictive on the eyes part because the devs had to allow targeting spells through cybereyes but also disallow targeting through other digital viewing devices. Chrome is not a part of your aura, they're entirely foreign to your body.