Warhammer 40k General - /40kg/

Anyone here actually make a kill team out of Deathwatch? Do they just get stomped?

>>51684465
I have 5 guys with shotguns and Boltguns. Actually like the one off fuckers.

>>51684465
They're sternguard, but with some extra options (including close combat weapons)

Not the best, but hardly the worst. Having extra flexibility makes them fun to play, if you're into that.

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Nth for Rough Riders charging Tank Squadrons in a competitive setting... And Winning!

>>51684491
Bolter+Shotgun deathwatch are great. I feel like the best way to run them is to buy some Underbarrel shotgun from somewhere like anvil-industries.

Someone charges your 5-man veteran squad? 10d3 wall of death!

>>51684465
A guy I know who got into the game started with Deathwatch, though he quickly switched to Space Wolves. Deathwatch are really expensive and elite focused as an army. It seems hard to play them on their own.

After reading Fall of Cadia, it struck me how GW is really emphasizing the "super zealous platonic beat friends" relationship between the SoB and Black Templars.

I think it would be cool if they merged the BT and SoB into a "Crusaders of The Imperium" codex in 8th edition. It would provide the SoB with the codex update (and of course models) that they've wanted for years, and also return a sense of distinctiveness to the Black Templars that has been missing since we lost our codex.

>>51684465

They have a lot of great toys to them, but are hyper-elite for the points costs. They do have toys to help make up for it, like the Flamer/Heavy Bolter for hordes and the Frag Cannon for anything tough or stubborn.

Keep a solid core of marines with basic weapons to keep the body count up, but you're vulnerable to being overwhelmed and each casualty takes its toll. Their strengths are having weapon profiles and toys for every situation plus general marine toughness.

Also, HoR or GW Kill Team?

>>51684520

>Deathwatch are really expensive and elite focused as an army. It seems hard to play them on their own.

They're a rock in a game of rock-paper-scissors-WAAC

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I got this badass today. What would be some units to use alongside him?

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>>51684452
Are the Blood Angels represented by the Blood Raven or were they just excluded from the image?

>>51684532
Heralds of Ruin always, waaay less fucking broken, 10x as much customization. Also dat inherent cap of no more than 24 models, so you don't have the same problem of assholes bringing 100-man kill teams like you do in GW-KT

>>51684535

So:
>Rock = Elite Team
>Paper = Horde Team
>Scissors = Medium Team
in this analogy?

>>51684537
He could tank for 5 banshees on a starweaver or a venom.

>>51684537

50 war walkers

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Alright, back for another round of feedback on how the fuck to make a Land Raider work in such a low point list.

>>51684518
>unpainted in tourney
REEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>51684518
>Bolter+Shotgun deathwatch are great
And illegal, as of the latest and greatest FAQ. No WAACing your way around it even though the codex is so poorly-written that it's technically legal.

>>51684594

Well, a 2/3 split between 5 marines of Shotguns and Bolters or Bolters and Shotguns depending on terrain density and what you're up against could work well. Or just to taste.

>>51684574
I don't know if you own the model, but axe the Scouts and put the Tacticals in another pod. Grav absolutely needs a delivery system. I would say Rhino, but I think you said last thread you don't own any.

So is there anything that a Dark Eldar player can make use of in the Fracture of Biel-Tan stuff. I thought there was some Dark Eldar stuff mixed in the formations, but I can't find any mention of that anymore.

>>51684518
Why does that Knight look so anorexic? Have you finished building it, cause it looks like it's missing some armor plates.

>>51684635
You mean aside from the big jumbo faction that lets you take any eldar units including Deldar stuff, and the various formations that do include Dark Eldar units alongside their craftworld and harlequin counterparts?

>>51684644
Its an Atropos.

>>51684635
There is, but it's mostly Wyches and therefore pretty shit.

Soulburst is arguably a better gimmick than PfP though, so if you were thinking of playing a Kabal/Coven list then it's worth considering the Reborn Warhost with pure DE units. If you run in to a sperg who won't play you because lol Ynnari, show him your list.

>>51684644

Skipped leg day.

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>>51684658
>Atropos in 40k
RRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>51684491
>>51684621
I didn't realize they could get shotguns ? I have a lot of forgeworld astartes shotguns around somewhere. I guess I need to actually download this codex.

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>>51684676
Will you fucking not

Does a unit have to suffer a wound to be effected by the Dark Eldar's Soulfright at the end of the shooting or just have to be caught in the blast template?

>>51684679

Deathwatch Shotguns come with Deathwatch marines. They have a few alternate shot profiles as well, including a template one so you can scatter shot up some fools who try to get in close.

>>51684629
Yeah, don't own any yet, though my next investment is definitely going to be the Dark Angels Armored Assault box or a Vindicator because those things are sexy as fuck for softening up melee targets.

Added the scouts as an extra capture unit and a bit of long-range support fire. I also don't have any more Drop Pods yet because starting Black Templars was a recent impulse decision because I just really wanted to throw a bunch of dudes out of a big box into melee while said box is annoying and hard to kill.

>>51684660
>>51684656
Do I still have access to Raiders? Can I put my Harlequin in raiders again?

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>>51684635
>>51684660
Well, I posted my pure DE Ynnari and Haem Covens list last night and triggered some people.
Tell me, do you think this REALLY that bad or are people having the kneejerk reaction of a lifetime?

>>51684676
I took on one in a 40k game. Toe to toe with my sword and board wraithknight. I lost, but it exploded and fucked up his army so there was that.

>>51684682

The Normies have evolved...

NEET WAR NOW
REEEEEEEEEEE

>>51684713
Nice! Guess the ones I have will stay in the bits box until I get around to making my blackshields

>>51684594
Yea the new FAQ is fucking retarded. The Deathwatch codex wasn't even that great to begin with, and now it got completely unecessary nerfs that made it practically nonviable.

Plus it was apparently written by the ITC faggots.

>>51684644
That's not my Knight. It belonged to my opponent.

My dudes are the sternguard vets sitting under it's legs, and the Chapter Master sitting in the razorback that afterwards ate a 6 on the D table.

I eventually won because my warlord somehow lived to the end of the game, and said knight got burned down over the course of 3 turns.

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>>51684734

>>51684518

Paint your shit you disgusting tourneyfag

>>51684711
Just has to hit.

>>51684530
Personally, I think that it could work out pretty well.

The Templars portion of the codex would essentially be BT HQs, and their unique units (we could have the old Sword Brethren unit back, in place of Sternguard/Vanguard), and of course the typical SM units (excluding Scout squads, Sternguard/Vanguard, librarians, standard tactical squads, devastators, and a couple other things). They could come up with a BT answer to Devastators, which have never fit in well with BT armies.

I confess that I don't know much about sisters.

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>>51684682
>posts Reddit
>/r9k/ referenced
>expects lack of cancer
Anon I don't know what to tell you.

>>51684752
Awesome thanks, I was wondering what was up with the Strength 1 on the weapon. So as long as they aren't fearless which a lot of stuff are and they fudge the leadership test then they're fucked?

Friends, I decided to start a new army for a tourney and the inner circle thing so today I picked up DM, GS2, DE start collecting, and a wraithknight. How can I build up this into a 2k tournament viable list in two months?

>>51684574

I was going to call you a huge faggot for running AV14 under 1000 points (like not even at 1000 points, under it, fucking really?) but then I realized it says "Tourney List."

In that case the answer is probably "you can't" since everyone else will be preparing for exactly this sort of cheese, with one billion haywire, grav and melta guns

reposting;
>>51684365
Yeah, that's what I figured. If I'm lucky I'll get possession on both sorcerers, who may be on bikes, giving me a possible two greater daemons. And maybe keep it if gained on DP as well, to pull off when at low wounds. Might sculpt up a GUO too to mix it up a little if I manage to get it on 2+ models the same game.

So to summarize my Word Bearers army;
-Flying DP summoner
-2x Sorc, one or both on bikes, with the bikers and spawn squads I'll have either way
-Chaos lord for warband. Either on foot with a CSM-squad, or on Juggernaut with axe of blinding fury with spawn, depending on points available
-Termicide squads for chaos warband formation. One or two units, combimeltas on first, melta or plasma on second
-Bikes for warband, melta
-At least 2 squads of CSM for warband. Likely very big squads, 15+ at least, upgrades/marks depending on points.
-Havocs for warband. 4x AC or 3xAC+1xML
-1-2 units of spawn for auxillary (2 if juggerlord)
-probably a dark apostle for at least one CSM squad. Word Bearers after all.

1 Lord and 1 Sorc are part of warband, getting those bonuses as well. 1 sorc, DP and apostle are taken as "Lord of the legion" choices for the "main formation". This leaves one slot open there for another lord or sorc as well.

CSM squads: one MoN. One maybe MoS with icon. Beef up squads with any leftover points. Add a cheap lord to one squad for fearless, quite capable combatant even if he only has a power weapon/fist.
Apostle, is his Zealot just a better version of Fearless, or does Fearless give some benefit Zealot don't? Either way, he's in there to buff anything nearby with Zealot. Might as well also add Baleful Icon from Word Bearer artifacts to him if no other HQ is taking it. Enemy needs to reroll successful charges against his unit, and doesn't get extra charge attack even if they manage the second time, for just 15 points. Stick in Nurgle or Slaneesh squad?

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I'm considering taking 93 infantry models to see how this death god shtick works out. I won't win, but I don't give a fuck. What say you?

SO when are we gonna get the Guilliman Enhanced Marines?

How viable/legal is a HoR Deldar Kill Team made up of reavers?

>>51684779
forgot to add Gangs in there as well.

>>51684716
Yes, because the new detatchment is technically a new faction of all 3 of the others.

Which is more iconic? Blood Angels or Ultramarines?

>>51684775
Yeah you can get some decent mileage out of it as long as you're not facing marines.

>>51684716
The jury's sill out. Technically, your units still have different factions, but being in an Ynnari detachment gives them all ANOTHER faction, the Ynnari faction, so they are ALSO from the same faction. I really want to rule in favor of it but it just means the return of Vect's Raider Rental Service and I'd rather put that bullshit behind me.

>>51684719
Ignore the autists on /tg/ that get triggered by the sight of Ynnari. Pure DE Reborn Warhost is absolutely fine. I myself look forward to seeing what tricks I can pull with my Reavers in it.

>>51684719
>>51684719

I run almost exactly the same list (too lazy to read wargear, might even be exactly the same list) as pure DE all the time. I've even posted it here before, nobody complained.

People are just mad because of whatever the fuck soulburst does. If you die you get a free move or some shit. It's silly since as far as I know your guys have to be clumped up to get it and (I assume that the "Detachment" is your Ynnari-rules-DE part and the rest is Covens) the stuff you threw in the Ynnari part isn't even scary OR prone to being clumped up OR anything out of the ordinary for DE

tl;dr there is literally nothing wrong with your list, they're being faggots

>>51684787
Think i saw them play a list like that on miniwargamming. HoR looked like it did well enough.

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Hey there /tg/ GGA here with another Minecr- I mean 40k batrep. Played a pretty massive 2500pt game against my friend's Nid army if you're all interested in a batrep. Did you guys play any games today too? What are you anons up to?

>>51684682
What are they rolling ?

>>51684823
If you're within 7" of a unit that dies, you get to move, shoot or assault once per turn.

>>51684831
You play peanut butter nids a lot, huh?

>>51684782
I already attempted bringing my Land Raider once, nobody was prepared for it, everyone was thoroughly impressed that I even bothered bringing one and I still lost every game except against Tyranids because I was flooded in models while my Land Raider could barely dent their numbers.

Only time anyone attempted fighting it or even bothered was the Ork guy crashing his Morkanaut into it while his 10 or so bikes, 3 Killa Kans and Deff Dread took care of my few remaining models on the field with Gretchin capping the two objectives he had directly at his table edge.

>>51684839
nothing it's just a dank maymay dude xD

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Is there anything I'm fucking up?

>>51684823
Soulburst is actually a fair bit stronger than you think. It can be an extra round of shooting or an assault, and triggers off of enemy deaths.

I think it's perfectly fair on a Dark Eldar army, as it's essentially an edgier version of Battle focus and actually gives them some speed and killing power that promotes their alpha-strike nature and wanes as the battle goes on.

The problem is using it with craftworld stuff which is all already amazing.

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Is this gonna be alright to run as a competitive list? Is it even going to be any fun to play against?

Not sure if I should drop some Wargear to give the Crawler an Icarus Array or risk having no AA and if the Pseudogenerator is actually going to be worth anything. Also, all Gravtaphrons or should I mix in some Plasma?

>>51684831
Played a 3k game today. 1500 of my Exorcists + Coteaz + his crew w/ 1500 Blood Angels + Celestine vs. a horde of Black Legion.

We basically just ran at each other and fought until we died. Didn't finish before the store closed but I think loyalists were going to carry the day.

Highlights include:

>tac marine punching a terminator to death
>Coteaz's eagle killing an Obliterator
>Said Obliterators tanked a fuckstupid amount of shots and there were 2/3 left at the end of the game
>Celesting cut a Forgefiend in half

>>51684843

Yeah I don't really see the problem there if it's basically only applying to your Reavers, Venoms, and Scourges. In fact if anything I would say you kind of picked weak choices to put in there because even though those are basically our best units, it's my experience that if you stick them all in one spot they'll all just die. I guess it will work for Reaver screening but in that case the guys I assume you usually want to take the soulburst action (Reavers) will be the ones dying.

tl;dr still see literally no problem with this, anyone complaining about DE getting a buff is a huge faggot anyway

>>51684867

Fuck I was just about to hit submit and this popped up. I didn't realize it's *any* unit that dies. That's a bit better. Most of the above still applies though since afaik the Grotesquerie and DA don't get that benefit from it (and also are the least likely to die and give it to your other guys)

>>51684809
Blood Angels probably.

>>51684809
Blood Angels because they're closer to Blood Ravens.

>>51684831
Casually painting stuff. Ogryn and a lascutter stormtrooper.

Heard one of my games got put online. Knowing a few thousand people got to watch me get tabled is a strange feeling.

>>51684888
I think you're still missing a key point here. It's any unit. That includes enemy units. You don't need to clump up and have your weak units die to benefit the remaining ones. You can just balls to the wall forward near the enemy, blast them off the board with something, and then your dudes near them an extra shot at doing something, which may be shooting a different enemy, which may trigger it for another unit.

I picked up fracture of biel tan today and i feel like im spoiled for choice and every list i make looks too elite to be any good on the table.im playing a game friday and I definitely want to bring the triumvirate to try them out and 4 black wind riders in the formation with scatter lasers, thats 985 points so that leaves 1015 for a reborn warhost. Any ideas?

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>>51684831
What actually is that thing? I'm behind on my Nids since I haven't seen them played much since like 4th edition.

Anyway, I did play a game today. Dusted off my old Marines to play against a friend's AdMech with Cawl. That motherfucker is absolutely indestructible and just went around buffing the shit out of everything. My Leviathan was instagibbed turn 2 by a counter-DSing Holy Requisitioner (in doing so they didn't drop where they needed to go, which would prevent my Warlord from dying) but my fucking Ironclad once again got shit done, annihilating the entire formation by himself and then fucking up a Knight (Melta -> 4 HP gone, then charged and finished it off). Though he at a 6 o nthe D table in return, he was on 1HP so I didn't give a shit. My friend was pissed because that motherfucker literally never loses to Knights - I beat his Knight list before because he just refused to die, so him furthering his reputation made the game a memorable one.

All in all it was a draw 12-12 by turn 7, though I still had my Fire Raptor on the board, so who knows.

>>51684902
SPESS MAHRENS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJMLfACod48

Is there a verdict on the rapier laser destroyer carriage? It looks like pretty good value for points and means I can move away from lascannon weapon teams.

>>51684921
So, you're taking craftworld Eldar stuff with all their new toys and formations, and you're worried about it not being good enough?

OK, so given that I have to get some Tempestus Scions to run the Wrathful Crusade formation, I figure I might as well get some as they can also fill the "2 different factions" requirement for Castellans of The Imperium as well.

I run large, melee focused Crusader squads (Bolt pistols and chainsword with neophyte meatshields). So, how should I outfit them to best complement my Templars?

>>51684930
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Dimachaeron

>>51684783
Interesting thing I just noticed;
The Daemon Prince can get two rolls on the boon table this way (for anyone unaware, it normally doesn't get boons due to not having that champion of chaos rule).
Purchase one with Gift of mutation for him, then give one with "The eight-fold path" rule for the Word Bearers formation, which can be used on any character. That's a second chance to hope for the D3+1 additional rolls as well.

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>>51684831

I held the line.

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>>51684831
I managed to shame my primarch today by completely botching a competitive mission that rightfully should be my chapter's specialty.

I was running a 1000 point Raptors list against a 2000 point Space Sharks army. The mission was "Assassinate". I automatically win the game if my opponent's warlord drops dead, my opponent wins if his warlord survives the game.

My list was the following
> ML2 Librarian
> 2 Scout squads, 2 Heavy Bolters, 1 combi-grav
> Command squad with Apothecary and 3 plasma guns in an Infernum Razorback
> Sternguard vets with a single combi-grav in a Razorback.
> Leviathan Dreadnought with Full-kit in a Lucius Pattern Drop Pod.

My plan was essentially to insert into the field and tactically execute his warlord like a good operator. The Leviathan there was for my heavy lifting in case something went wrong, since he could easily shred anything I pointed him at. Tyberos the Red Wake was sitting in a 5-man assault termi squad with all lightning claws.. Not exactly very tough, should be crackable by using rending bolters to surgically remove the squad, and then shooting tyberos to death with plasma guns.

My fuckup happened when I completely forgot to infiltrate my two scout squads. I didn't have the key rending bolters needed to ablate his squad, and FATMAN didn't have the AP in shooting to take care of it either. Although he did snag 2 of the termies in t1 without leaving his pod, while also clearing a straight path to tyberos.

Turn 2 had me losing half my sternguard vets, and my command squad got charged. My second fuckup happens when I forget my psychic phase. I could easily have used Electrodisplacement to swap my Command squad with plasma-guns, with my 2-man sternguard squad that can't crack termi-armour. Instead they got stranded in melee. FATMAN made his hail-mary charge range to get in combat with Tyberos, but he then whiffed HARD and only killed 2 of the termies, then he got CHAINFISTED to death and exploded.

>>51684920

No, I got that after the second anon's post. I just don't think it makes that much of a difference for most of the units you have selected, especially since more than half of your list is melee-only. If you're within 7 inches of the enemy unit that died it can get you an extra haywire shot at a tank, extra anti-blob shots from the venoms, or your Reavers get to charge immediately rather than drawing fire for another turn. I get it. But DE suck so much ass compared to CWE that even with that buff it's only going to work sometimes and requires even more planning on the "you must plan every single thing out or your glass 'cannons' will die by turn 2" army. The guys charging still have to make it through overwatch and/or are still going to die to bolters the next turn.

tl;dr It's a nice buff but nowhere near as bad as eg. Skyhammer Annihilation Force.

Strength from Death doesn't work with units in vehicles right? If my Warriors in a Raider kill a unit, they can't fire gain right?

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These beautiful bastards did work for me tonight. Killed a wolf lord, two squads of grey hunters, and some sternguard. Beautiful. Chaos is hella fun, mannnn.

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>>51684961
>Maulerfiend
>most dangerous melee unit in the game
Fucking kek, why does 1d4 shill dinobots so hard?

>>51685011
Non-vehicle unit. So the warriors on the raider benefit from it, but not the raider.

>>51684942
I have harlequins and dark eldar too, i wanted to bring 5 incubi in a star weaver, a 6 man troupe with neuro disruptors in a star weaver, then 5 dire avengers in a serpent. Maybe my brain is just as scattered as my lasers right now since i havent slept well all week. I play pretty casually and dont aways play eldar so playing to win isnt always on my mind

>>51684976
>nicely painted Vostroyans
>3 color Daemons
>unpainted Riptides
the meme thickens

Playing guard, can I actually make a passable melee unit? Something like a commander with power fist, all CCW vets in a chimera?

>>51685004

Actually after moving some models around on the table and considering things I've revised my opinion to "it's a pretty good buff actually." But it is going to require 1 billion years of planning and JUST AS PLANNED, and if your opponent is smart he can mitigate the effect to a high degree in the way he deploys his own units. On the other hand though it is nice to eliminate 2 threats at once as DE, even if one of them is just getting Reavers stuck in with something that wants to shoot. Between that and the DA I guess you have plenty of opportunities to disrupt the fuck out of your enemy's plans.

So never mind, I can see why anons got mad but it's nowhere near as bad as it could be and not even slightly close to as cheesy as the formations everyone else gets.

>>51685036
This >>51684784 is what I'm bringing, man. I'm just gonna throw shit at the wall and see what sticks. I fully expect to be triggering strength from death left and right.

>>51684831
Procrastinating painting my final venom...No games lately because my friends can't be bothered to slightly bend their schedule even though I've faked being sick to call in to work to hang out with them sometimes. And one of them even wants to test his custom Space Marine Chapter supplement so we can start doing some internal balances.

>>51685033

Nice, Venoms with Blasterborn are gonna get so many vehicles kills.

>>51685036
Oh and a far seer with the incubi

>>51685072
You really can't. If you have to, though, slap a Psyker(s) and Priest(s) in a Bullgryn squad, it's the best you'll get.

>inb4 Rough Riders

>>51684930
Some Forge World monstrous creature out of one of the Imperial Armor books. He described it as a bigger Lictor pretty much.

>>51684831
Getting behind on painting since all of the sudden friends actually want to play games with me.

>>51685072
Psykana Division formation all rolling on Biomancy could be funny. According to the FAQ, Brotherhood of Psykers powers that "affect the Psyker" apply to the whole unit.

>>51685089
Actually, it just dawned on me that the raiders could trigger it but could not benefit from it because I'm pretty sure you can't target a unit that is embarked even one on an open topped transport.

>>51685072
Play Castellans of the Imperium, run 30 - 60 Rough Riders. Enjoy Hatred on a unit with S5 AP3 I5 that everyone and their mother can and probably will underestimate to their doom.

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greetings from /m/! as someone that has barely been following along, I heard necrons are a deal in Gather Storm, can anyone give me specifics, please?

>>51685072
>can I actually make a passable melee unit?

Not really, your best bet is 5 Infantry squads joined together into one unit with all 5 sergeants with Power Axes and priests.

>>51685141
Not yet. We don't know anything yet.

>>51685141
Not really. The most that's happened is Trazyn giving the Imperials some help at Cadia with the anti-warp pylons and trading around his pokeball collection.

>>51685141
Trazyn (one of their characters) made a guest appearance in Fall of Cadia, but they've yet to get their own campaign book or new releases. It's early days though so anything could happen.

>>51684812
>>51684823
I just remembered the Ynnari relics. I'm probably going to free up some points to give my Succubus The Lost Shroud for delicous EW, FnP.

And losing IC status isn't much because she doesn't really have a point in joining my other units.

>>51685072

Platoon. Priest. Commissar. Celestine. Best you're going to get. You're not going to break worlds in assault like marines, but you can drown the opposition in a shitload of attacks.

>>51685082
Yeah that seems to be the way to play it out, bring whatever i own and see what happens when you put wraithguard in a raider and flat out into his deployment zone

>>51684893
Who?

The eternal guard player question, baneblade or knight? I know knights are better, but baneblades are just way more fluffy.

>>51685195
'blade

fuck efficiency, supertanks are cool

>>51685155

Ymga Monolith recently got a fluff tidbit, along with a giant daemon whose bottom half is a snake's (Fulgrim), which is all just a bunch of Inquisitorial notes which may pan out into new warzones to explore.

>>51685195
If you must bring a Baneblade, bring one of its variants. The Stormsword is disgusting, the Hellhammer pretty incredible and the Stormlord is hilarious.

>>51685169
>his pokeball collection.
pardon the ignorance, but I don't know what you mean by pokeball

>>51685082
Hey you have battlescribe working with reborn warhost? How

>>51685211
Necrons have these things called Tesseract vaults that they can trap things in. Trazyn uses them to capture interesting or rare people, much like one would use a pokeball.

He released a bunch to help out the Imperials in their fight for Cadia, but also picked up their general after the fighting was over.

>>51685224
I make my own datafiles. I just made a new detachment and put the rules into my eldar datafile.

is it legally possible to use an unpainted soul grinder and randomize which patron god it has before the start of a match?

>>51685195
The tanks have more dakka and hull points

>>51685253
>unpainted
Don't do this.

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>>51685174
Here we go.
The Raiders in the Grotesquerie lost Dark Lances, but the Succubus gained the Lost Shroud(Webway Portal in this list) and Haywire Grenades while losing the Blaster Pistol.

>>51685253
Just paint it to look chaosy in general, don't be skimp on painting shit, cunt.

>>51685253
Paint it up like the slaves to darkness color scheme, and just randomize it.

>>51685243
Okay, thank you anon! Didn't know that was even a thing.

>>51685261
>>51685278
>>51685296
I was thinking Malal colors actually

>>51685276
Is this legal? I know Trueborn are in a weird spot but how can they count towards the mandatory Troops if they stop being Troops choices when you upgrade them?

>>51684538
IIRC this was never intended for TG. We just got a hold of it and made some copy pastas.

>>51685246
Cool, i saw that they were working on it and said it would be easier than castellans detachment, im happy to see someone did it quickly by himself

>>51685316
FAQ makes this ruling:

Q: As they are upgrades to Kabalite Warriors and do not have their own datasheet, do Kabalite Trueborn still count as Kabalite Warriors for the purposes of the Kabalite Raiding Party Formation?
A: Yes.

>>51684574
>>51684719
>>51684860
>>51684876
>>51685276
where do you anons make these?

>>51685359
Neat. I'll remember this.

>>51685359
>>51685316
>>51685367

Actually...reading that over again...I'm not entirely sure. I would like to believe this sets a precedent for other formations, though.

>>51684876
Anyone got any input?

>>51685366
Nice bait

>>51685359
It count's for the formation. It doesn't mean it is still a troop choice. Trueborn are not Troops for the purpose of fulfilling detachment requirements.

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>>51685366

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>Tournament starts in 1,5 hours

Wish me luck lads

>>51684860
what are you going up against?
What point limit (I'm guessing 1000 points)
Want any list tailoring against specific factions?
What do you own?

>>51685420
Depends on what you're rolling

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Also glorious Rough Riders were glorious. They murdered an entire unit of Hormagaunts so I was pretty satisfied with them. Any other Guard anons use them?

>>51685392
Yeah, I addressed that here >>51685373.

It's weird because by all means except the force org slot they are "Kabalite Warriors".

I was going to ask them on Facebook, but I see someone asked in the official Facebook page already and they asked not only about Trueborn, but Bloodbrides aswell, but they haven't responded on it.

>>51684537
Fuck banshees use Incubii with venom instead

>>51685451
IG now and always

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>>51685420
Have this exhalted gift from /m/ for there is no mech better than Aquarion Logos.

>>51685359

They count for the Purge Coterie too, but they're never Troops.

The reason they count for the Purge Coterie is that it doesn't require a Troops slot. But a CAD does. I assume the Ynarri deatchment you're using does too. If, however, it says "0 - ## units of Kabalite Warriors" you can use them.

Rolled 5 (1d6)

>>51685420
Rolling for Anon's luck.
Just remember to double check all your armor saves

>>51685464
Good luck, then

Rolled 4 (1d20)

>>51685420
Rolling for how well you'll make shots/wounds.

>>51685243
Wait, Trayzyn nabbed Creed!?

>>51685530
No, it was some other metal giant who shoved him in a tesseract vault.

How do I make a fun, and tournament ready list with the new GS supplement?

>>51685574
Scatbikes soulbursting the shit out of everything.

>>51684518

in the grim darkness of 2017, faggots don't paint shit

>>51684860

Split that final set of crisis suits into 2 units instead of 1 big unit. I know it's less efficient for Markerlights, but it's way better for maneuver and flexibility.

>>51685574
>take a shitton of scatbikes and Reavers, using additional detachments with a Lahmaean HQ as needed
>turboboost the Reavers as close to the enemy as you can
>shoot the fuck out of them with scatbikes
>Soulburst and assault with the Reavers
>Wraithknight in LoW

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WHAT THE FUCK FUCKING UPLOAD THE FUCKING EPUB ALREADY YOU SELFISH FUCKING ELF FUCKERS

HOLY SHIT

>REEEE
>REEEEEEE
>REEEEEEEEE FUCKING NOW

I really like Skitarii Vanguard. They always seem to earn their points back very quickly.

What is your favorite unit in your army?

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>>51685452
Still painting up mine. My Rough Riders are now what wins me games, while drawing up serious questions from skeptical people. I brought 30 of them to a tournament today and absolutely destroyed someone.

>>51685616
>>51685590
alright so I need 2 troops compulsory for this to work, should I grab 2 troops from CE or DE?

>>51685642

Buy it you fucking poorfag NEET scum piece of fucking REEEEposting trash. I hope your mother dies in her sleep tonight you insufferable, irredeemable socialist cunt. Choke on 10,000 dicks.

>>51685642
buy the book if you want it that badly, faggot

>>51685671
>>51685686

nope, just going to steal it. Have all of the rules already.

stolen every single GW book so far

>>51685670
>Should I grab 2 units of scatbikes that I was recommended, or a unit of Wyches or Kabalites?

>>51685702
Not familiar with eldar, do those actually just count as troops for them? Holy shit.

>>51685671
>>51685686
>/tg/ literally has reddit level gw cucks who defend against not downloading jew workshop books

holy shit i am laffin. fucking cuck level pathetic

stay friendless

>>51685718
>reddit
>cuck
>jew

Three words that all tell us that your post isn't worth reading.


Anyways, Kastelan Robots. Are they worth using outside of a War Convocation?

>>51685716
Welcome to craftworlds, where almost everything is OP, and the things that aren't are still really good.

>>51685697

Then stop bitching you fucking nigger. Wait for the scraps the adults give you.

>>51685718

>I'm a poor lazy faggot nigger and I'm going to complain that hard working people of the less melaninated variety delayed my ability to piggy back off of their work by a few days

Commit sudoku, shitposter

>>51685732
God damn, this makes it so much easier than I thought it would be

The terminator annihilation force formation seems like it could potentially be quite useful. It's basically grab 3 termicide squads, and get terminator armour for free on your lord/sorc. Is there even anything requiring the lord to be in one of the units, or could I just deploy him normally with the main army?
Also, how cheesy(and/or legal) would it be to add it to my Word Bearers army, as allied Death Guard (for fearless and fnp, offsetting the -1I by just going axes)? Maybe even run a maxed squad with a lord for a tough T5 2+/5++ FNP unit, maybe equipping the lord with one of the pieces of DG-exclusive wargear or something as well

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>>51685731
>angry that someone uses reddit in a negative way
That's pretty epic.

>>51685642
>he doesn't have some spare cash from his tax returns

>>51685731
>>51685742

you are so fucking mad that you spent like $50 on that shitty book hahahahaha and I'm going to get the exact same thing for free hahahahahahaha holy shit

>>51685775
>tfw I'm getting nearly 3 grand in excess returns from my student loans next week

>>51685779
good luck playing with your phonedex at a tournament nigger

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guys please, I know it's easy to reply to screeching retards but you have to stop

>>51685779
hahahahahahaha we're supporting the things we like hahahahahahaha holy shit

>>51685775
i'm spending it on tendies and plastic doll soldiers anon. mummy is taking me tomorrow

>>51685665

You sound like an "explorer" in gaming classification. Usually applied to people who delve into lore and location, they also apply mechanically when an explorer tries out new builds that are usually disregarded by the meta in favor of optimized builds, the potential of a written-off option suddenly realized.

How's the meta at your place? Also, how do you use Rough Riders?

>>51685755
(Basically, I just want to add in DG terminators to my army as that's one of the most interesting upgrades for CSM units in the traitor legions book; the option to make terminators great again, while I don't really want to go all out DG)

/pol/ get out and stay out

>>51685731
Yes they're expensive but pretty good. That one formation where you get a bunch of them in one unit is a massive distraction that can dish out the pain if ignore/not focused enough bonus points for adding Cawl

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Does Ynnari make this playable?

>>51685779

hahaha I make 50 dollars in less than 15 minutes and you literally can't afford the things I buy as an afterthought because I'm bored hahahahahaha

Fucking NEETs. You are all scum but it makes me happy to know you will literally never ever be able to afford nice things.

>>51685859
Only people on the lowest rungs of /pol/ society talk like that.

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Hey guys, what do you think of my Ynnari list. It is based on my harlequin/dark eldar list but added some wraith cheese.

>>51685859
Makes sense.

I don't own Cawl, I only have a Dominus right now. I actually don't know what my shop's meta is like since I have no way of transporting my models from my house to the shop to play, so I dunno how people there feel about Cawl.

>>51685931
wtf i love america now

>>51684831

Did a kill team match today! Some Renegades versus a platoon of filthy corpse-worshippers.

Took a fair few with me, but they buried me under bodies. Next time I'll take a platoon of my own.

And so I have become cancer, the destroyer of fun.

>you will always get GW media for free

All these faggot Ynnari white knights holy shit hahahahaha can't even get a game

you are all such good gee dubs customers, very very good little boys

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Feedback appreciated.

>>51685963
hah btfo, like America in 1 year

>>51684831
I haven't played in almost a year!

I'm slowly trying to actually paint my guardsmen so people don't have to see grey plastic anymore! My paint job is not very good but some color is better than no color!

>>51685975

Forgot, warbuggies are 1 squadron. AB won't allow more than 3.

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Holy fuck these are sexy. How do 30k armies fair vs 40k stuff? cause I want some.

>>51685012
way too blue
put some washes over these guys
and re-do those lighning bolts while you're at it, they're too chunky

>>51685843
Ah normally my meta is fairly casual, with people playing basically every army except for Tau. I saw a couple unique setups at the tournament, with almost no netlists at all. However most of the stuff shown was forgeworld equipment, since my meta has a very sizable 30k crowd that comes out of the woodwork whenever there's a tournament.

I use my Rough Riders as a sort of surgical tool, like a big-ass shaped charge that I fling at weak spots in an opponent's army to exploit them. My Rough Riders are almost always played with a combination of sturdy objective holders, and at least two DISTRACTION CARNIFEXES, as well as psychic support. I use Fulmination librarians to snag off turn-1 charges with rough riders.

My favored targets are large blocks of MEQ's, or non 2+ armoured MC's. Like I once went against a Ravenwing player, where I used my rough riders to annihilate all of his bikers, while the rest of my army dealt with his termies.

The bigger 2+ targets are typically dealt with via my Leviathan. He comes down in his pod and shoots something to death on turn 1, while the rough riders absolutely demolish my opponent's frontline. The rest of my army then exploits said resulting weakness on turn 2, and follow by mop-up.

>>51685208
>Ymga Monolith

Wat dat?

>>51685975
Oh, and the warbuggies have rokkits.

>>51685755
>>51685856
On second thought, that formation would be 413 points barebones (not even counting the combiweapons to make it proper termicide squads) if running them as DG. Quite a big investment just to gain free Lord terminator armour (40pts) and get an extra round of shooting right when deepstriking (even fully kitted with combiweapons there'd be no real reason for that as the combis can only be used once anyway, and getting to shoot at two different targets same turn would only really be good with enough models to be able to get off at least 2-3 meltas/plasmas per target). That's too bad. Maybe in large games then. Still thinking about just allying in a squad of 4-5 DG termis with a termilord though, if that's technically legal. No idea how to build lists nowadays when the force chart seems irrelevant. Do I need to take things as formations or can I just fuck around when it comes to allies?

>>51684905
Got a link?

Black Templars are totally getting a buff in 8e and get a big wave of support like literally all other Chapters have gotten so far once Helbrecht's confrontation with Ghazghkul happens, right?

Right? ;_;

>>51686003
30k is designed for significantly larger battles than 40k is usually played at, as such 30k armies are fairly limited in what they can take and do when played against 40k armies.

>>51686055
I think you would need to take an detatchment of some kind for it to have a different Legion than your main force. Either a formation with the terminators or another CAD

>>51686068
Thanks mang. I might just start it up anyway and bare with it. Theres no 30k scene in my area but if I start it up who knows.

Or I could start up a admech force...

>>51686119
30k FUCK ROBOTS!!!

>>51684518
How many rough riders do you need to make a good enough unit?

>>51685434
This will be my first army, I'm building this off of two start collecting packages to try to keep costs low early on, so I don't have a sense of what the meta here in Seattle is like yet

>>51685595
Yeah, if I keep my fire warriors and my commander marker light team pretty static then I could picture that being useful. I wonder if splitting it up into a squad of three suits with plasma rifles and squad of one with fusion blasters would be more efficient for dealing with vehicles and TEQs

>>51686058
Yeah, let me pull it up.

mistakes were made, but I had fun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVj94DPAhpU

>>51686119
I, too, think that >>51686132 has the right idea in that you should buy 30.000 fuck robots.
Get working on that AdMech army, son!

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On the way to making 60(multi) melta's meme a reality.

>>51686086
Ah allright. The way armies are built nowadays has confused me quite a bit.

>>51686065
We can only hope.
I was speculating about a potential merger with the SoB in a "Crusaders of The Imperium" codex

>>51686155
Kek, actually saw that before. Nice armies you guys had there, fun game.

>>51686217
I'd be ok with that. Would give me that final push to get some Sisters without having to start an entire third army and they'd complement each other pretty well, actually.

>>51686149
Full 10-man squads apparently. Any less and you're just asking for the squads to never reach melee at all. Having a good distraction is necessary too, they can't survive being the biggest threat on the board.

Splitting the dudes into 5-man units causes them to occupy an upsurd number of force-org slots. Normal detachments only have 3 fast attack slots, but a castellans has 6. But then you get the new problem of your rough riders being vastly more vulnerable to morale issues. 5 rough riders suffer a morale check after suffering only a single casualty, while 10 suffer it after 3 dudes. 5 man squads require 1:1s to raly once they lose 4 dudes, while 10-man require 1:1s after they lose 8.

Overwatch is painful too, but similarly makes the whole 10-man groups necessary. You need the full 10-man squad to ensure that when you reach melee, you have enough dudes to wipe your target out in one go. The survivors should then be used to immediately tie up other nearby squads.

>>51686003
you'll get to use them... mostly when the new imperial armour comes out.

>>51686198
I also, having just recieved my order of vorax's and friends agree that robots are great.
The big C is a bitch to build some times.
and cybernetica sucks in lower point games with the minimum 600 point buy in with no scoring units.

>>51686249
Thank you! <3 I'm a new Imperial guard player and really want to field them, I was thinking of converting mine using outriders from FB with that Rough rider converter kit from Victoria minutures as well as those gas mask heads from Pig iron

>>51686249
Should take a biker Lib Conclave with them so they all get ATSKNF. Auto-regroup.

>>51686292
That's actually a great idea.. Huh, now I just wish I actually had bike librarians.

>>51686282
That seems like a great idea anon. Have fun making your conversion!

>>51686241
Yeah, main reason I went was because I knew it'd be against a painted army and on a proper table.

FLGS terrain is bad, man. To the point I might just make a setup for a 6x4 and leave it in the trunk of my car.

>>51686353
Having a portable 6x4 around that also looks good seems like a great idea and a fun project to work on.

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Rate my list! Feedback appreciated.

>>51686292
Okay, so I had a suspicion, and I just now learned that Skilled Rider applies to the entire unit if only a single model has it.

So if you're running a Castellans detachment with Rough Riders, you could get rid of one of their big problems by making those aforementioned Librarians White Scars. White Scars get skilled rider, which applies to the entire squad, and makes them immune to Dangerous Terrain.

Now we just have another problem in that Rough Riders don't have the ability to jink..

>>51686155

Beautiful army! I love the classic look on your Marines.

>>51684783
Anyone got any ideas on what to change/add?
Assuming I run one MoN squad and one MoS with icon, how should I place my ICs in them? Thinking an apostle in the MoS one, and a lord in the MoN one (maybe with palanquin). Or maybe put both in the same unit to have the lord benefit from the rerolling of boons rule? Then just keep the second squad around to be within the apostles Zealot aura. Maybe have another cheap lord in the second unit just to be sure they both always have fearless.

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>>51686003
>Anime robots are weeb when they Tau
>Anime robots are sexy when they Imperium

>>51686155
Jesus anon, those are some fucking solid paintjobs. I love the retro Ultramarines look.

>>51686155

This was fun to watch since both armies are actually fucking painted. Nice Smurfs, anon.

>>51686383
Yeah. Haven't made terrain in over a decade, but I should still have some pink foam and corrugated card lying around. I almost envy the infinity players, pre-made MDF stuff is easy peasy to transport because of how durable it is.

>>51686455
>>51686490
Thanks dudes, it was a labor of love. Guilliman soon, I hope his rules aren't stupid busted.

>>51686004

the blue is washed in drakenhof nightshade. How would you recommend thinning down the lighting bolts?

>>51686504
You gonna do the retro Ultramarines paint job on him?

Best be putting on the helmet.

>>51686409
That's actually a pretty good call. You can solve the lack of Jinking by having the Librarians roll on one of the more defensive psychic tables. You could probably snag a decent save for the group that way.

>>51686487
>Someone says one thing
>Pretend they said something else first so I can feel superior

>>51686529
Alright well I'm actually gunna be fairly honest here when I say that you probably shouldn't be spending that much attention on your Rough Riders. The more points you spend on making them deadlier/tougher, the more attention they're going to get from your opponent. Rough Riders tend to die when your opponent shoots them, and there's really not much you can do to stop that. They are guardsmen after all. In fact librarians casting big scary biomancy powers on them might just result in them drawing more attention than they otherwise would have warranted.

They're also one-use only.. Once your Riders blow their load over something, the only thing they're good for is tying up non-melee units. So once they use their hunting lances, all your points spent in getting them into melee is now no longer doing you any good.,

>>51686458
The ICs I'll have available to distribute to squads:
- 2x Sorc. One is part of Chaos Warband and therefore slightly "better" (probably not gonna get much use from the double roll on boons when killing characters that often, but gets Objective Secured at least). ML2, Daemonology. Both unmarked. Likely to both be on bikes, but open to suggestions.

- 1x Lord, part of chaos warband, Army Warlord. Likely gonna be either MoN palanquin and stuck in the maxed MoN CSM squad, or I'll use this slot for my Khorne Juggerlord with axe of blinding fury if I field him. Greatly benefits from CWs double roll on boon when murdering shit rule.

- 1x Dark Apostle, for the zealot aura.

Got one open slot in "Lord of the legion" part of the main formation (as DP takes a slot as well).
Speaking of rolling boons, how does the Apostles rule of rerolling boons interact with Favoured scions from warband?
I kill a character with a lord in the same squad. He gets to roll twice on the Boon table, and choose to take either one or both of the results. I get one good result, and one useless. Do I reroll both, or do I reroll just the one I don't want, as they are technically two separate rolls?

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>>51686521
He'll have a helmet, for sure. Might even turn the flaming sword into a normal sword too, depending on how the part looks in my hands.

The trim will probably end up gold, though. My honour guard/HQ units have gold trim to set them apart.

>>51686583
Nope, it's just standard shit /tg/ says.

>>51686604
Horus really rocks the Ogryn look.

>>51686657
the mark of chaos is actually just some extra chromosomes

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reposting here because the thread is more busy

>I'm working on building a new talos as part of that inner circle thing.

>I wanted to paint it as I go because of its shape, so I didn't yet put all the parts together, but I was wondering:
>I know plastic glue makes paint run, and super glue does not. Is there anything wrong with using super glue to attach vestigial parts like spikes and extra limbs?

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>>51686668
!?

I should probably ask /wip/ but all the DE players are in this thread usually so I'll ask here:

Anyone tried using Incubi Darkness basecoat with Sotek Green highlights? Can you post an example? I'm very strongly considering doing something like that for my Kabal.

Something like
>Incubi darkness base coat
>either a layer of chaos black + incubi darkness, or maybe a black wash idk
>sotek green highlights
>sotek green + white thin highlights

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>>51686668
goddamnit

New ynnari faction means you can run 3 skyrunners and a solitaire for a kill team.

"Lol"

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>>51686685
What is the Inner Circle thing?

There's literally nothing wrong with using super glue. The only difference is that the plastic won't weld together. You will, however use superglue to fix those spindly extra limbs every now and then.

You can see in my pic related, the middle extra limb has already snapped off before and you can see the super glue fix.

>>51686711
Sotek Green is really blue, you'll probably need to make Sotek a secondary highlight and use another color closer to Incubi Darkness to make the transition smoother. Incubi Darkness is a weird fucking paint, too. It's almost denim blue colored in the pot, when it's thinned with paint on my palette it's a dark green, and then when hit with Coelia Greenshade it becomes like a mix of the two denim blue and the dark green.

>>51686685
Super glue can fog up sometimes, but more importantly I wouldn't trust it with small bits that can get snapped off and lost.

Nothing wrong with it though, and in either case you're going to want to scrape the paint away a bit so the connection is bare plastic/bare plastic.

>4 orks/grots in OP image
>there's literally only 1 Ork codex
>other codexes that are actually differentiated don't get to be in the OP because the space is taken up by an I2 melee race

Faggot

>>51686749
I'm mostly worried about affixing the spines on the top and the vestigial arms on the side, since the rest I plastic glued on and I need to be able to get at the torso easily.

>>51686748
>What is the Inner Circle thing?

I think it might be a canada thing, or canada/US, but it's a multi-month long army building/painting contest with some small unbound tournaments as it progresses.

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>>51686685
Superglue outright destroys paint on contact. If you're going to glue and paint as you go, you need to be suuuper careful not to touch any painted parts with your glue.

Also, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, PRIME YOUR SHIT. Don't fucking paint on unprimed models, you're literally asking to have your paint come off.

Also mentioning Inner Circle. Now I have an excuse to finish all of my fuzzies and actually write down all the fluff I've come up with for them.

>>51686748
Inner Circle is a new thing geedubs is doing to get people into building up an army. They're doing this new rewards program for people to earn points for coming up with an actual army.. Painting it up, NAMING your dudes, writing FLUFF for your dudes, making a little DISPLAY for your dudes, and customizing YOUR DUDES with conversions. Basically being rewarded for indulging in all of the facets of the hobby at once.

does everything get a bonus attack when charging by default and being successful or is that only based on certain rules and weapons?

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I want to play AdMech but I need to have something alongside these Skitarii while I work on getting more Skitarii and AdMech stuff.
How is this for a casual 1000 point list?

>>51686787
>Also, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, PRIME YOUR SHIT. Don't fucking paint on unprimed models, you're literally asking to have your paint come off.

well obviously

>Superglue outright destroys paint on contact. If you're going to glue and paint as you go, you need to be suuuper careful not to touch any painted parts with your glue.

so I would be better off using plastic glue for it? I have both, I was just worried about putting it all together in the end.

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>>51686748
>Sotek Green is really blue, you'll probably need to make Sotek a secondary highlight and use another color closer to Incubi Darkness to make the transition smoother. Incubi Darkness is a weird fucking paint, too. It's almost denim blue colored in the pot, when it's thinned with paint on my palette it's a dark green, and then when hit with Coelia Greenshade it becomes like a mix of the two denim blue and the dark green.

Alright thanks. So what I'm seeing is basically

>Incubi darkness
>Wash of coelia greenshade
>SOMETHING????? (kabalite green mixed in maybe?)
>sotek as final highlight

The power of google brought me to this guy's page, pic related
http://bloodofkittens.com/wargaminghub/2015/02/01/the-wych-and-the-warrior/

Looks fucking amazing. He used:
>Primer: Black
>Armour: Incubi Darkness
>Armour
>1. Incubi Darkness 1:1 Sotek Green
>2. Kabalite Green 1:1 Sotek Green
>3. Coellia Green Shade
>4. Kabalite Green 1:1:1 Sotek Green/Sybarite >Green
>5. Sotek Green 1:1 White

It's, uh, a bit above my painting level but thanks for the hint anon, helped me find the right direction

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Is there an Ultramarines version of this?

What army utilizes deathwatch allies the best?

>>51686487
As someone who loves Tau and hates anime, those aren't anime robots, brojob

>>51686786
>>51686787
Ah, ok. Thanks. I saw my local GW (Fort Worth) post about it. Looks like I should've waited a year to do that with my Dark Eldar. Currently working on fluff for them, but I'm fucking stuck at names.

So far, it's a Kabal working to unseat Vect by working with him and possibly I'm thinking of having them "split" and have some join the Ynnari under the orders of the Black Heart to infiltrate the new kids on the block. They're painted in the Black Heart colors because I was originally set on just doing Black Heart, but after reading the path of the DE series, I want my own Kabal. The history of the kabal is that they were a lower level noble family(Currently thinking of using Lucerian as the family name) put in place by Vect's rise. They're currently led by Twin Archons (Can't think of names) and work with a Haemonculus of the Hex coven(named Serilyx, the Fleshfather) and guarded by a hijacked Cronos and Talos sent as "gifts" from The Prophets of Flesh.

>>51686824
Dude, that's a sick fucking color scheme. Go for it. I was terrified of doing DE because I'm terrible at edge highlights. A little practice(read: the majority of my army) and a (sounding like a shill here, sorry) Windsor newton brush go a long way.

>>51684594
>deathwatch
>WAAC

:?

>>51686003
30k units have massive points taxes on most units compared to 40k equivalents. Sicarans are pretty neato though

>>51686851
You think that's bad? I finished building and painting my army not 2 months ago.

As for my kabal:

I wrote mine as an archon flying under the banner of the obsidian rose because I wanted my own paint scheme and I love the fluff of aestra khromys.

My archon gave up her nobility and went into hiding during vect's uprising and bided her time, studying under my haemonculus, Elzaiah Mastris, and took their name. Going with my preference for lots and LOTS of max distance bombardment with lots of dakka, my archon has a preference for siege warfare while leaving the dirty work to reaver armies and her personal talos pain engine.

I also fluffed out my shitty painting and building as her still being comparatively poor to other archons, which also explains my only recently getting incubi.

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>>51686841
the index astartes stiff in here.
there's an entire book called insignium astartes about it too.
and most vanilla space marine dexes should have that info too.

>>51686846
As someone who loves anime, they are anime robots, brohymen.

>>51686872

Yeah I'm going to do it. I had something very similar in my mind before finding that (slightly darker teal but with similar highlights, and a brighter pink-magenta than that purple). I'll probably fuck the edge highlights up but oh well, practice makes perfect. Thanks for the brush recommendation.

>>51686962
No problem! The Size 1 is a FUCKING WORKHORSE I don't use any other brush except for when I do shades/large basecoat areas/drybrushing. If you have Amazon prime they're like $13 which is a fucking steal.

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>>51686851
Yea, my army I'm doing for this is the Raptors 1st company, which gives zero fucks about the codex at all. We have 18 'units' to work with, so here's what I got.
1: Chapter Master
2: Captain Valentine
3: Command Squad (Company Champion Solidus)
4: Honour Guard (Chapter Champion Adamska)
5: Commander's Infernum Razorback
6 - 9: 4 Scout Squads
10: FATMAN (Leviathan Dreadnought)
11-14: Sternguard Squads(A lot of them are named)
15: Tartaros Termi-squad
16: Equerry Marius(Termi captain)
17: Vanguard vet-squad
18: Haven't decided on this one..

I gotta get more people named. For the most part the entire first company consists of a collection of Kill-teams that are led by a set of tactical commanders from their Command-Razorback. There's 5 distinct "teams" within the company, who all operate together in the same AO, with the Chapter Master's "big team" there to hit up larger targets like outright assassinating enemy warlords.

Recently started playing 40k, got some Raven Guard Marines. Gonna go for an air assault/ drop pod themed army. Is bringing IG as meat shields/ cheap units a good idea and what IG units should I get?

>>51687001
depends on if you're going unbound.

>>51686487
Nigga that ain't anime at all.

>>51687001
If you're drop podding in your Marines it's going to take a long time for footslogging guardsmen to catch up.

>>51687027
Unbound?

>>51685642
Fucking buy it you asshole.

>>51687001
Only if you went for the Castellan detatchment so you can freely mix and match.

I would recommend holding off though. Hard to meatshield for dudes who are already halfway across the board, so the main thing you'd be getting is tanks or artillery.

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The forearm armour for TSons sorcerers is so fucking good, I need it for all my marines

>>51685642
is anyone else actually looking forward to the day some jew inventor finally invents a way to make books and movies and shit somehow unuploadable to the internet just to btfo of shits like this? You know every corporation ever is pouring cash into somehow protecting their investments. What would a generation that grew up getting everything they wanted for free even do at that point? No free music, movies, books?

>>51686925
Oh, so Ultramarines don't have knee markings? I could have sworn I'd seen them somewhere?

>>51687040
so most players, when you start building an army, expect you to follow 'formations' or 'detachments'. You'll find these in your codex, and a simple one in the rulebook. Generally it's a way to direct how you build your army, and while running allied arms detachments(which would be some IG in space marines), the amount you run would be limited afaik and the bulk of your army would still need to be space marines.

Running unbound is fine, especially for newer players and low point costs, but as you get into higher points and get more experience you'll be generally expected to run your units in formations which will limit how much IG you can run.

To be fair though, it's generally pretty easy to find formations. My dark eldar 'realspace raider' formation, for example, just needs an HQ, 2 troops, and 1 fast attack, and has space for almost whatever I want as well.

>>51687087
technically not on their standard uniforms (because company/squad markings are done on the pads), but the ultramarines do use the knees for campaign badges

>>51686747

I would love to run into that killteam as a killteam player.

"oh cool, you can kill at max 4 units a turn. Carry on then."

Meanwhile my 9 deathwatch veterans gun down the solitaire in a single turn.

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Had a 1850 point match against a friend playing Farsight Tau. It was a friendly match and he didn't Riptide spam or anything.

I lucked out on my army build because he was running a lot of high strength, penetrating shots instead of templates and tons of shots.

It was pretty fun but goddamn moving all those guys was annoying.

>>51687113
Well yeah, but I'd thought I'd seen Ultramarine/Codex Astartes kneepad company markings that are like the ones the Dark Angels have.

Anybody got a copy of shadowsword they can share?

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>>51686065

You realize that's already happened right? Helbrecht and Yarrick caught up with Ghaz, obliterated most of his fleet, then Gork and Mork personally intervened and teleported Ghaz away.

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>store does a fun valentine's day killteam tourney at the store
>was planning to do a game, but some 30k players sniped the table I thought I had booked
>never done kill team before, but jump in a group since a player was leaving
>bring a venom and a squad of blasterborn trueborn with a commander that had a splinter cannon
>find out details of rules, realize just how worthless splinter cannons are
> a fact a tryhard is quick to openly scoff in my face about
>game is 2v2
>start deploying
>he mentions the store owner had said no infiltrating because it rather defeats the spirit of the game(the goal was to get your team commanders in base contact/wipe out your opp's commanders)
>asks us if he can infiltrate
>I don't especially care
>neither does my teammate
>he proceeds to deploy almost his entire army of scout marines into vantage points all over the map in spots that would make it near impossible to shoot him down, including atopa multi-floor tower about 3 inches from my deployment zone
>start of game, my team seizes
>fly my venom with my commander up, blast the shit out of his scout up there
>immediately, he starts whining about skimmers being able to ignore height
>keep my venom up top, moving about to shoot where I can
>by the end of turn 2, it and the commander inside are all I have left
>he continues to take pot shots at me, whining about the venom's 5+ invuln save
>complains his tiny-ass squad of marines can't easily shoot it, says it violates the spirit of the game and that I was playing tryhard
>meanwhile, he continued to take sniper potshots at me and I had essentially two targets per turn
>by the time my partner was able to kill both other commanders I was down to 1HP and he continued to insist I was playing 'full competitive mode'

Did I somehow stumble onto some super secret WAAC strat? I wasn't even hiding up there, it jus so happened it was the only place on the map I had a good vantage point to see his scouts while they remained having a 3+ cover save.

>>51687090

Unbound is more balanced than Battleforged. I'd rather face unbound Necrons or Space Marines than the same armies with a Decurion or Gladius enhancing them for free.

>>51687239
Nah you just caught a faggot out when he thought he was being super clever.

>>51687204
I only casually keep up with 40k these days so when was this? With Primarchs back, an Eldar demigod awoken andEmps for 30k soon* does this mean Gork and Mork are coming? Nagash is a god in age of sigmarines and he has a model so I am expecting more.

>>51687239
No, he's just retarded for trying to kill a vehicle with sniper rifles

>>51687279

That's back from 2014, in the Ghazghkull supplement.

>>51687239
You should have used footslogging kabalites only and never used cover.

>>51684719
Your list is illegal. True born are upgrades to Warriors, but that upgrade moves them to elites. you still need two troops. Trueborn suck anyway. They were better when you could take 3 or 4 with blasters, but forcing the extra guy makes them too expensive. just add extra scourge. Cheaper, do the same job better, tough you may have to combine the reaver squad, which has its pros and cons. I'd swap out the blast pistol on the succubus for a haywire grenade because grenades do it better, have longer range and is cheaper. The nightmare doll probably isn't worth it. The panacea is alright, but you are getting IWND turn three anyway. ymmv. Ravager is best in groups of two in my opinion. Swap out the night shields on the raiders because its making wet tissue paper slightly dryer and more expensive. Better to put enhanced eathersails and get in face turn one. 24" flat out is no joke. take off the dark lances. You'll miss anyway just because, and you won't be shooting it anyway because you just flat outed into his face. With the points you save add scissorhands to an aberration, or add an extra grotesque to the squad (either one is fine for different situations). Solid base though. Its very much like my 1500 list but at higher points. Those stacking -ld is pretty nice. Souldburst is what DE need I think.

>>51687239
>next game
>tourney is winding down because it was getting late
>1v1v1v1 last commander standing
>my former partner was playing dark angels, vs CSMs and skitarii
>he starts with just a rhino on the field with his commander and a few marines inside
>he flat-outs it to what I and everyone else thought was a normal piece of cover, backs it up to protect his back armor
>manage to wreck it
>he pulls all his marines inside into the building he'd backed into, which was a bastion
>nobody else at the table thought it was more than regular terrain
>he insisted it was to be treated as a bastion
>we need to look up the rules for it and how damaging terrain worked because nobody knew
>while camping out in it, he proceeded to start deep-striking everything else he had into everyone else's base
>I manage to kill the assault marine in my corner, he manages to kill the skitarii commander and CSM
>his commander was, of course, in the bastion
>mine was in a venom that got wrecked
>CSM gets a raptor into my base
>about to go after my blasterborn specialists
>SM player tells him to go after the single soldier on its own
>repeatedly asks him to do so
>CSM finally does so
>start of next turn, SM cackles that he won
>CSM and skitarii player are confused, ask where my commander is
>SM player smugly says the CSM had killed him

Today is when I learned that even in a friendly scenario at the casual local store, with zero stakes or even rewards, some players really must win at all costs in tournaments.

>>51687300
trueborn are great. give the last one a splinter cannon and slap them on a Venom, watch them fly around sniping everything that moves.

>>51685195
Get a Baneblade and magnetize it in Order to have access to many variants.
Then get a knight

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>lot of bits includes 4 warwalkers and a wraithlords
>less then $100

either i've struck gold on ebay or i'm a fool for wanting this many warwalkers and another wraithlord. y'all ever stumble upon a deal too good to pass up?

>>51687317
You should have reminded him that dead people can't talk and he should try again next time

Fracture of Biel-Tan epub/scans yet?

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>>51687087
>>51687133
It depends a bit what era you look at.
These days GW also doesn't paint lightning patterns on their studio vehicles anymore.

Back in the day some squads had kneepads in company color and roman numeral indicating squad number.
The Assault sarge here had a sarge badge with red skll (which GW also doesn't do anymore) on his knee.
The squad leader from the tactical squad here has a checker pattern which kinda looks like the DA insignia. And like the DA insignia here it indicates company only because of it's color, not because of the pattern though.

And as the other anon said campaign markings were a big thing back then too.

>>51687350
...what?

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>>51687354
here's a termie squad with the skill army badge.

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>>51687365
some example army badges.

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>>51687376
and here the veteran markings.
Note that the kneepad here is used to display the crux terminatus.

>>51687362
Reminded the SM he was no longer in the tournament and his opinion was irrelevant.

>>51687394
two different SM players.

the second one was my partner in the first game, he didn't do any of the same bullshit.

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How do I paint Ultramarines like this? I really love this retro scheme.

>>51685896
Very solid, though you may want to drop the Archon for a Succubus or Autarch (who dresses like an Archon). Why is he even there? No blaster, no weapon. no shadowfield. dead weight.

>>51687354
>a sarge badge with red skll (which GW also doesn't do anymore)
Technically they still do it. You'll notice the transfers, and even the ultramarine upgrade kit have a sergeant's iron skull present. Even added in the iron halo for the squad's second in the new kits.

They just don't always paint it in red.

>>51687409
the blog you took this image from has a tutorial
http://taleofpainters.blogspot.de/2016/11/tutorials-how-to-paint-space-marines.html

>>51686805
Everything by default gets +1 attack if it charges, unless it makes a disordered charge.

>>51687422
Yeah. There are a lot of subtle changes that happened to most big chapters.
The changes to the imperial fists are not for the better imo. And I miss the black trim on Blood Angels.

>>51687426
Where?

>>51687456
On the page I posted the url for there is an ultramarine tutorial.
Just paint the gold parts yellow (like the one from the IF tutorial) and pick whichever company you want to paint the trim.
If you need to you can look up how to paint the bolters red in the Dark angels tutorial.

>>51685012
what head is that?
That dude looks cool as shit

>>51687317
That "sniping" is 18" 4 shots when you move due to salvo which is a real bummer. if you give the last one a splinter cannon you have a 195 point wet tissue paper boat that will be taken out by one tactical squad with a plasma gun. The exploding boat will kill all your trueborn. Just take two venoms if you want more splinter. Ive been toying with the idea of having a 10 man Warrior squad in a Raider with splinter racks. Spend a soulburst to have them shoot twice while in rapid fire range. 40 twin linked splinter shots for 150 points. unfh

>>51687492
chaos lord on chimera I think. has an option for warlord or sorcerer. this is the sorcerer one.

>>51687519
salvo isn't affected when they're on the venom.

>>51687409
>>51687426
>>51687456
>>51687480
Btw, if it wasn't clear the tutorials are by the same guy who painted the retro UM you posted, Garfy.

>>51687527
Yes it is. Same reason you can't fire a heavy weapon out of any other vehicle without relentless

So why are they moving away from the "your-dudes" premise of the setting?

Theres exactly one Yncarne, named characters are now everywhere, all traces of customizing ones own chapter/regiment/whatever have been erased, Primarchs are back, etc.

why does GW hate supporting people who want to find their own niche?

>>51687546
I was under the impression that because they're on the transport, which is open-topped, they're not affected by the movement of it so they get their full salvo, just like the venom itself does.

what could i use a dinobot (forgefiend/maulerfiend) for if i'm not a chaos player? the model is cool as fuck but i'm an imperial blendfag

>>51687580
Models firing out of a vehicle that moved at Combat Speed count as having moved that
turn. Models firing out of a vehicle that moved at Cruising Speed can only fire Snap Shots
that turn. They cannot fire if the vehicle moves Flat Out or uses smoke launchers that
turn, nor can a vehicle move Flat Out or use smoke launchers if a unit embarked inside it
shoots out.

>>51687583
Maybe an Ad Mech dunecrawler? Loyalists don't get many walkers that shape.

>>51687575
characters sell well and eventually there will be more yncarne as ynead gains in power

>>51687575
>why does GW hate supporting people who want to find their own niche?
they don't, though

>>51687605
yeah, but Fast vehicles that moved at cruising speed can fire up to 2 of their weapons at full BS, and this does not affect units on the skimmer itself, who can fire at their normal BS.

>>51687575
Because advancing the setting is going to involve a bunch of named characters.

>>51687575
Well there's nothing stopping you from fluffing your Yncarne as some other prophet/psyker/whatever if you want to. But i generally agree, yeah. Seems like we need them epic hero battles now for some reason.

>>51687638
There's nothing in the fast section that contradicts the transport one. If you move a vehicle at combat speed, passengers can shoot counting as moving, if you move at cruising passengers can only snap shoot.

>>51687664
I've been told by multiple sources that my kabalites on the skimmers can fire at their full BS even if the venom moves, and even when the vehicle jinks, the troops inside are unaffected.

>>51687641
Plot wise they can just take the backseat.
>Eldrad + dozens of farseers try to revive the Ynnead, that get's blown up so now there are many shards running around as Yncarne, also everywhere Eldar are getting powered up to be Yvraine-like Prophets etc

They wouldn't even have to change any of the plot, just include more than just their three special snowflakes per race.

>>51687130
batrep? what sort of list did the farsight mate take.

>>51687697
You can move up to 6" and passengers can fire. Anything over that they snapfire. You're correct in that jinking doesn't affect passengers though.

>>51687724
well that's unfortunate.

wouldn't it be 9" though, since flat out venoms can go 18"?

>>51687737
No, combat and cruising are fixed speeds regardless of type. Passengers also can't shoot if the vehicle moves flat out.

>>51687754
can they depart and assault?

>>51687575
Because no army besides marines have had good customization options since 4th ed

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Now wait a minute, why is this not a Daemon weapon? Is it really worth the points cost? For not that much more I could get a Black mace, with d6 additional attacks, fleshbane (giving the same to wound result against MEQ, but is more effective to anything with higher T), and it's own instakill mechanic, that also spreads. Sure, the AP is a little worse, but it's not like CSM are lacking in anti 3+

>>51687761
And that sucks ass.