Warhammer 40k General - /40kg/

First for the Dark Powers!

nth for Sisters of Battle

>>51680159
>not Dank powers
0/10 would not burn the imperium with

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Playing the 'nid campaign in Retribution and there's a mission where you vs other 'nids. Does this ever happen in lore? If so, why/how?

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Behold the dogma of the Machine God

Nth for Grav is fair and balanced :^)

Maybe the reason the Demons and Gods of Chaos are constantly attacking mankind is that they're just tired of their home dimension being run over by multi-kilometer long battleships.

Where can I get epub/pdfs of the Gathering Storm series?

Want to start new army.
Sell me your faction, why should I play them

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Give me aesthetic images

>>51680167
Hive Fleets are separates for the most part and have different genetic traits. So when they meet up they fight to see which is superior and absorb the other for fuel.

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>equip Warlord Dominus with Scryerskull Perspicatus
>roll 4 on Warlord table
>Sabotages and Scatterfields everywhere
>Kataphron Destroyers with 3/4+ cover saves and enemies taking D6 bomb hits on 3 units at once turn 1

Top fucking kek every time.

>>51680167
I remember a story about nids from two different fleets coming into contact and murdering each other. I think it was a Ciaphas Cain story.

>>51680198
Tau so you can spam Riptides for maximum asshurt.

>>51680174
How is it not balanced? It completely fucks over MCs which honestly deserve to get fucked over, the only thing i see it OP against is vehicles

>>51680167
Hive fleets attack each other to share genetic information and ensure the stronger survives, with minimal loss of biomass due to how tyranids work.

>>51680177
fucking mortals get out of my Warp
REEEEEEE

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>>51680208

Are there and mention of the Dark Eldars super nids in FoB?

>>51680170
is Faygo Red Pop heresy?

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>>51680214
:^D

>>51680247
any* fuck typing

>>51680230
It also fucks over elite infantry.

>>51680167

During the events of Valedor, the Tyranids on the world apparently fought one another while waiting to be re-assimilated into the Hive Fleet after defeating the Imperial forces there.

>>51680230
>MCs which honestly deserve to get fucked over
Eat a dick
t. Nidfag

>>51680198
Genestealers man. You wanna play a dark cult corrupting worlds? You got it. Wanna play a ton of war boys like in mad max? You got it. Want some cqc hordes with access to a selection of guard vehicles? Got it. Go get it now and join the family.

>>51680230

> Riptides, Stormsurges and Wraithknights are OP
> All 'Nid and Chaos MCs, TEQs and vehicles are collateral

Just fix the fucking Eldar and Tau books

>>51680230

Yeah, it probably shouldn't work on anything that doesn't have Wounds.

>>51680247

they fuck up the hecatrix arenas and murder half of the high commoragh wealthy elite

they're currently in the midst of a 4 way war with kherudakh's legions of extra-dimensional terrors, the legions of chaos and the dark eldar

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>>51680214
>>51680254
Don't tell the fleshbags our secrets.

What's the closest faction/chapter/group in 40k to medieval Greek/ Byzantine aesthetics?

Language or visually or fluff,

>>51680230
>MCs deserve to get fucked over
>Not like the Faction built around MCs more than any other is one of the most nerfed and helpless in the game, or anything
>Not like Grav isn't mathematically superior to las and plasma in every possible situation, rendering other options pointless or anything
Grav was one of the most insultingly egregious examples of power creep to sell new models in 40k history.

>>51680316
Good. I was hoping it wasnt a plot point just thrown to the side. I want their to be some great uprising of nids.

>>51680198
AdMech:

You get funky cyborgs and dudes who wanna turn themselves into robotic perfection in the quest for knowledge.

They get some great and relatively distinguished weaponry, and can be played in various styles.

Any leaks of new Triumvirate? What are your picks fa/tg/uys?
Will it be Imperium or Xeno? I hope will get Silent King's model

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So I'm looking to enter a tournament for the first time and wanted to bring my Ynnari (already had a tri-eldar army, so that kind of works out) but was looking for C&C on the list. I don't know about the venom and kabalites; I want at least a couple units of each faction really as I'm a fluffy player but don't want to just have the DE as glorified taxis/haywire. Only rules for the tournament are no more than 4 detachments and no replicated detachments (hence the CAD over a second reborn host)

The points value is dead on 1850, just the Yncarne comes up as 999 at the moment.

>>51680344
Orks, latest sneak peak was definitely showing Ork equipment.

>>51680344
>third triumvirate hasnt even been released yet
>asking for more info on the one after it
Patience young one

That feeling when you take out a monolith in one shot from a hammerhead railgun

>>51680198
Chaos Space Marines. Why choose the lesser evil?

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>>51680230

>>51680364
Sauce?

>>51680365
>>51680344

Likly to be abby and friends

>>51680328
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Grav would have been awesome if they hadn't given it so many shots and the cannon's amp reroll.

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Won both my games today with the War Convocation.

I'm not proud of myself.

>>51680395
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/02/08/rumour-engine-2/

So how does one read the epubs like a normal person? i get only half of the page on my screen

I know people complain about every faction being OP in this game but lets be real... WULFEN ARE OP

>>51680415
Nor should you be.

But at least you're not eldar.

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>>51680423

because Orks are notorious for working with gold, silver and immaculate glowing energy orbs

>>51680364
Way too orderly and clean, def admech

>>51680435

yeah, they are pretty stupid

>>51680450
Yes, Meks in pretty much every iteration ever.

>>51680423
>>51680364
Sigmar .

>>51680453
Yay.

I just started playing Chapter Master Alpha and everything is incredibly confusing

>spend an hour in customization and learning how to do stuff
>tyranids attack in western area
>bombard, then cleanse them later
>waagh happens, takes over lava world
>bombard world
>only people who die from bombardment were the remaining 400 citizens left
>clean planet afterwards with a raid
>governor requests assistance with tyranids again
>jump to planet
>loose battle barge
>die

What race (if any) gives you spooky feelings when reading about them? For me it's Tyranids. Was reading descriptions of creatures/units and Tyranids are really the only "you gon die" for me. Chaos and DE pale in comparison. Pure carnage in every way possible, you will never win, you can and will die a painful way. And how the Tyranids in the 40k universe is a spec compared to all Tyranids that exist.

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>>51680450

I don't know.

That ridged thing kind of looks like the type of coil one might find on things like KFF.

>>51680514
Oldcrons. Unthinking hordes of indestructible terminators. Especially flayed ones.

Why Craftworld Eldars wear this stupid-ass helmets? Redhead elves are way better without them

>>51680278
until Tau and Eldar get nerfed you're going to have to suffer from grav

>>51680285
>Just fix the fucking Eldar and Tau books
we both know that's not going to happen

>>51680561
Helmets are very important:
>The concept of the war mask is at the core of the Path of the Warrior. Eldar, being more
highly evolved than the lesser races, feel all sensations more keenly than do humans,
Tau or Orks. This allows them to embrace positive emotions – such as love – with a
greater fervour than members of these other species can conceive, but it also heightens
their experience of darker feelings, such as rage, fear and grief.
The act of killing is likewise amplified. Where a human can kill another being with
little guilt or remorse, for an Eldar to do so is an act that can endanger their very soul
and risks drawing the dark attentions of She Who Thirsts. While the sensation-craving
Commorrites draw pleasure from bringing death, the craftworlders prefer to separate
their souls from the act of murder, and so they don their war masks before combat.
The war mask is as much a metaphysical concept as a physical artefact. When Aspect
Warriors prepare for battle, they ritually take up their war masks, adopting another
persona, one at ease with the blood that is soon to flow, and temporarily abandoning
the person they are away from the shrine. They embrace the savage instincts that lurk
in the heart of every Eldar, and prepare to bring death in the name of the Bloody
Handed God.

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There was a swap meet sort of thing at a LGS near me and I ended up picking up a the Inquisitor rulebook and a decent amount of old Space Marines on sprue.

The sprue Marines are from 1998, but there were a couple that were preassembled that I don't have dates for. What's the date estimate on these dudes?

>>51680561
>Why Craftworld Eldars wear this stupid-ass helmets?

Elves wear them.

>>51680355
What are your plans for the farseers? They don't seem like they do anything. Are they just the cast guide? Psychic shriek? The harlequins could also use more caresses or kisses. The warriors don't seem to do much.

>>51680598
Thanks anon. Final argument why Druchii > puritans

>>51680561
Eldar are modelled after the kkk

>>51680644
WTF? I hate Eldar now.

>>51680609
>What are your plans for the farseers? They don't seem like they do anything. Are they just the cast guide? Psychic shriek? The harlequins could also use more caresses or kisses. The warriors don't seem to do much.

Farseers are there to cast guide/shriek/new revenant discipline and generally be a good HQ, whilst the shadowseer can shriek and mask of secrets or mirror of minds.

I'm very aware of the warriors/venom not doing anything, can't fit them into a cad and just wanted another DE unit for fluff reasons. Could replace them with reavers and add something else.

Also, the harles are just equipped with what I got from the boxes, missing more special weapons for them. Could just take two troupes and condense the caresses, and maybe a fire prism? Not sure

>>51680198
Nurgle
In a universe where everything hates you, papa Nurgle is the one being that will love you unconditionally. Also if you go renegades it's pretty easy to go do deliverence/texas chainsaw massacre

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>decide to give ye olde Land raider a try after ages
>get hit by 2 Grav shots turn 2
>rolls a six
>immobilized

Thanks, Games Workshop. You're truly the most amazing at balancing.

>>51680707
And why weren't you running a Tech marine to repair it?

>>51680714
I did.
He died to the second Grav salvo.

Picked up GSII just a bit ago. Here's my first go at list using the new rules therein:

Ulthwe Strike Force
(all units DS, no scatter, cannot be placed within 9" of an enemy unit, all units can be rolled for on turn 1 on one roll)

>3x Black Guardian Windriders - 3x Scatter Lasers
>3x Black Guardian Windriders - 3x Scatter Lasers
>10x Black Guardians - Starcannon
>3x Black Guardian War Walkers - 6x Scatter Lasers

Reborn Warhost
(all units are stubborn, have strength from death)

>Autarch - Skyrunner, Fusion Gun
>Archon - Webway Portal, Blaster
>5x Kabalite Warriors - Blaster, Venom w/Dual Splinter Cannons
>5x Kabalite Warriors - Blaster, Venom w/Dual Splinter Cannons
>5x Wraith Guard - D-Scythes
>Wraithknight - Glaive & Shield

Reborn Warhost

>Farseer - Skyrunner
>5x Kabalite Warriors - Blaster, Venom w/Dual Splinter Cannons
>5x Kabalite Warriors - Blaster, Venom w/Dual Splinter Cannons

The Autarch and Archon join the Wraithguard for a very heavy (and now nastier thanks to soulburst) unit eraser. They can then either run to spread out or shoot a second time if there are enough good targets near by.

A lot of the army starts off the table and gives me a decent amount of 'response' type units and with the Autarch I'm getting +1 to reserve rolls to help make it more reliable. Ultimately I know I could probably go with more jetbikes in troops to be overall better but I only own 2 units of 3 and I don't really want to buy a ton more stuff until we see what 8th brings (WHFB End Times taught me well).

>>51680750
what the fuck do black guardians do

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>>51680450
If by "gold" you meant brass (because that's what the "gold" colored parts of the machinery on most models actually represents) then yes.

>>51680761
+1bs and ws guards.
aka Bs5 scat bikes.

>>51680761
Scare away white guys from getting into your club.

>>51680539
Any particular place we can read about this? Preferably free/internet sources.

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>>51680450

>>51680765
Also copper, almost every ork model with machinery on it shows a combination of brass and copper parts.

>>51680771
No fucking way.

>>51680198
This gets posted Every day. Fuck you, figure it out yourself

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>>51680450

>>51680772
>tfw yer deffskull boyz go raiding a ser-ror-a-tas base and come back wearing bras

>>51680771
>>51680761

This is incorrect. They get Webway assault.

Webway assault - unit may deepstrike, does not scatter, may not be placed within 9" of an enemy unit.

>>51680539
I think the flayer virus is a pretty metal part of their fluff.

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Should I magnetise the heavy/special weapon my kabalite warriors? I jsut bought a start collecting kit.

What is the best choice for that squad?

>>51680521
It's the emperors holy butt plug. The next primarch released will have it as wargear, like robit got his sword.

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>>51680807
I pressed the wrong button.

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Pic related anon, if you're here: how's progress on this magnificent thing?

You better hold your promise and paint that baby.

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>>51680138
I can't seem to win with Guard and every bat rep I watch has the Guard losing. Do any Guard players have stories of their victories? Or do you have any Guard lists you've used successfully?

>>51680846
Blaster and splinter cannon, however you generally end up running them in 5 man squads w/ a blaster in a venom so not sure if you want a splinter cannon really. Depends on how hardcore you go on optimization, since a 10 man kabalite squad in a raider with splinter racks can work too (although you wouldn't want a blaster in that)

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Is it me or does the guys on the Annilation barge looks like they're Djing?

>>51680868
Oh no, you're pressing all the RIGHT buttons for me, babe ;^)

>>51680898
Pask in a Punisher has killed several Land Raiders and some WKs in my games. Believe in the gun anon!

>>51680898
I really like the new celestine, played a game with her and a really bad guard force a couple days ago and just used her to tarpit the nastiest melee unit on their side and generally be annoying whilst the rest of your men focus whatever is the biggest threat.

For 200 points, I think having an (functionally) indestructible unit is great value. Also, her relics aren't bad.

Also, Russes and Chimeras are great for a bit of mobility, just don't bother with sponsons.

>>51680910
Kit I have has a raider in it. No venom yet.

I have 1 start collect eldar and 1 start collect dark eldar kit.

>>51680167
Like the face dicks on your tryant.
And fluff wise, when two Nid fleets meet, they duke it out, with the STRONK winner absorbing the biomass of the loser.

>>51680943
Yeah I got the same kit, that's why I mentioned the 10 man in a raider. It's just later on you tend to default to 5 man squads in venoms, so if you just want to do that you have a splinter cannon you can't use.

If you're not playing super competitively, I'd just make a 10man with splinter cannon and just use them in the raider, then any future games save the blaster from the kit and make 2 5 man squads with blasters and venoms.

>>51680521
It's the light to the beep machine like on Captain Pikes wheelchair in Star Trek, TOS, but for the Golden Throne. Going to get Throne Emperor and reborn Emperor in one special box, with 40k's Version of Valador as the third figure

>>51680898
Would you like to share your current list anon?

Maybe we could see if there's any fundamental issues with it - or whether its just bad luck.

>>51680969
You can't use blaser from vehicles? I guess I could just build it with the blaster and tell opponents im not using it if I'm running a raider.

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>>51680784
uh, 3rd edition necron codex if you can get your hands on it (it's probably in the mega in the OP) but maybe one of the 40k wikis.

>>51680779
Implying i dont want tyemal's nigger cocj inside me

>>51680598
> They adopt a different persona
> different persona
> most of the named aspects are different animals
> different persona... that is an animal
Eldar= furries confirmed. Purge them all like the Space Yiffs.

>>51680999
You can, you just don't get the twin-linked effect like you do with splinter weapons.

>>51680999
The troops inside can fire out of the transports as they're open topped at full BS, even if you jink. So with a 10 man squad with a splinter cannon in a raider with splinter racks you can pump out 18 splinter rifle shots and 4 cannon shots rerolling misses whilst your raider shoots at something else.

The reason you generally dont want a blaster in a raider is because anything you want to shoot a blaster at you (generally) having something else the other 9 guys would prefer shooting at instead. Hence you have them in 5 man squads, so you only waste 4 shots as opposed to 9.

>>51681061 this too.

>>51681056
Holy shit how did i not get this before

>>51681070
It only came to me after I read anons fucking blog post

>>51680598
but there are several eldar that don't wear helmets...

>>51680898
i beat my buddy playing CSM by drowning him in 150 shots each turn from a conscript squad + commissar
and blowing his vehicles to shit with my vanquisher

>>51681056
Banshee reaper avenger hunter spectre
Only scorpion and dragon are animals

>>51681070
This also explains why Warp Spiders are so fucking gay.
It's because they are furries.
It's all coming together now.

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>>51680138

SO, what is the deal with Ultimate Apocalypse mod for soulstorm?

i bought SS and a friend of mine is pissing me off with this.

its worthy getting this shit, or there are other mods?

>>51680415
It gets worse anon. Soon you'll notice patterns. Certain units always lasting the whole game. Others dying turn 1. You'll come to realize your just playing the same game, over and over again, against different colored armies.

Soon you'll be an emotionless automaton like the models you play.

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Thinking about buying this for a starter Sisters of Battle army, although in hindsight I might use the Dialogus as a missionary instead of the actual figure to save some money.
The art card of visarch is obviously a very important part of my army composition

>>51681114
> striking scorpion
> swooping hawk
> fire dragon
> Warp spider
> howling banshee (ok that's reaching)
> Don't the fighter pilot guys have some queer ass name too? Falcons or something?
Ok anon. Whatever you say

>>51681114
Okay missed hawks and spiders
Anyway it's more a reflection of Eastern martial arts with way of the crane or wat of the tiger or drunken monk - lines up with temples as well

>>51681139
Also, when you order from GW directly, do you get a tracking number?

>>51681125
Adds a bunch of cool stuff, but I find that most maps don't work well with it.

If Eldar are gay furries, what are DE?

>>51681100
Exarchs, they are lost to Khaine.

>>51681159
Hereosexual sex in the missionary position.

>>51681146
>>51681148
5 vs 4 is not a majority
And in fact it's 6 because shining spears

>>51681146
Fighter pilots are crimson hunters. It's a 50/50 split at best

>>51680602
1864ish, they look like late war confederate molds.

>>51681043
Did you even read his post? Can you even comprehend english?

>>51680898
What this anon >>51680998 said. Also include details on your local play group (Who plays what), what kind of missions your group run and as much detail about terrain density that you can give us.

>>51680750

Tinkered around a bit more with this list. Came up with the following:

Ulthwe Strike Force
(all units DS, no scatter, cannot be placed within 9" of an enemy unit, all units can be rolled for on turn 1 on one roll)

>3x Black Guardian Windriders - 3x Scatter Lasers
>3x Black Guardian Windriders - 3x Scatter Lasers
>10x Black Guardians - Starcannon
>3x Black Guardian War Walkers - 6x Scatter Lasers

Reborn Warhost
(all units are stubborn, have strength from death)

>Autarch - Skyrunner, Fusion Gun
>Archon - Webway Portal, Blaster
>5x Kabalite Warriors - Blaster, Venom w/Dual Splinter Cannons
>5x Kabalite Warriors - Blaster, Venom w/Dual Splinter Cannons
>5x Wraith Guard - D-Scythes
>Wraithknight - Glaive & Shield

Reborn Warhost

>Farseer - Skyrunner
>5x Kabalite Warriors - Blaster, Venom w/Dual Splinter Cannons
>10x Kabalite Warriors - Raider w/Night Shields

The 10 Kabalite warriors will baby sit an objective as well as the farseer while he waits for his BG Windriders to show up. Their raider will move in to pick up the Wraithguard who will Soulburst into embarkation (and leave their Archon Autarch duo to piddle around).

>>51681069
>>51681061
Do you guys not take squad leaders at all?

Also is the armored assault box for dark eldar bad then?

would two venoms and another box of kabalytes be superior?

>>51681153
Depends on how you order. If you do the standard, no. If you do express or priority, you get one from the courier that GW uses.

>>51681176
I think you'll find it's a nice cup of tea before bed, 10 minutes of reading. Then lights out!

>>51680198
Do you like sex but like the rest of us are a repulsive neckbeard? Play Dark Eldar and imagine yourself getting that captive slave pussy whenever you want.

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Tell me about the lord of change i'm about to buy for my Thousand sons force TG, how do I load him up?

>>51680279
>Genestealers for warboyz
>Not Warboss Imorktan joe
Mediocre.

Has anybody else noticed the Defiler is no longer available on the webstore, and is listed as No Longer In Stock?

Please don't be squatted, please be an updated kit, for the love of God don't take away our Crab Tank

>>51681182
>>51681181
Oh ok. Just 40 fucking percent.
If it's only 40 percent prancing around in battle in their fursonas it is totally not homo. My bad.
TLDR; Vect was right Craftworlds= faggots confirmed forever.

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>>51681125
Firestorm Over Kaurava is way better but Apocalypse is cool if you just want to dick around with the titans.

>>51681233
There is literally nothing of worth that can be read in only ten minutes, or rather, that one can be content with reading only 10 minutes of at a time.

Hey guys, any chance anbody has any download links for 30k or 40k audio books? My train just broke down in the middle of nowhere, it's looking like I'm out here for about 6 hours. Any help would be great.

>>51681247
Might as well go around calling Navy Seals furries

>>51680913
Well time for someone to make a daft punk annihilation barge.

>>51681271
You don't?
They are Navy, everyone knows Sailors are all queers.

>>51681271
Do you not?

>>51681223
The choice between raiders and venoms comes down to this.

Raider - 10 dudes with poison, 1 dark lance. About 160ish pts all totaled up.

Venom - 5 dudes with poison, 2 splinter cannons. About 120 ish pts all totaled up.

As you can see, Venoms are cheaper and offer the same amount of poison shots but do not offer any anti tank options. Raiders are better for more target versatility but cost more. So that being said, if you like Raiders, the armored assault box is not bad at all. If you want Venoms, then yes it is.

I heard that male banshees wear boobplate. Is that truth?
If yes please source.

>>51681237
I've always wondered if people actually play on those fuckhuge tables or if they're for display purposes only. I couldn't even imagine all the time it would take to finish even one player's half of a turn.

>>51681299
All Banshees wear boobplate
Not all Banshees are female

It's simple deduction.

>>51681310
They enter their shemale battle persona

>>51681223 squad leaders only give extra attacks and ld iirc, which you don't need because anything wanting to charge you will win anyway and if you are stuck outside your transport being shot ld won't save you. Also, you get fearless part way through the game anyway

And yeah, for an optimised list another kabalite warrior box and 2 venom's are better, but if you're playing casually and want to save money armoured assault is nice

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>be abbadon the despoiler
>work your ass off for 10 millennia setting up the crimson path
>finally manage to destroy Cadia, the path to Terra lies open
>get fucked over by Eldar and Supreme Liege

>>51680514

The fluff and models makes me totally want a Nid army. But I can neither paint well enough to do them justice, and they're a contender for worst army in the game.

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>>51681299
>>51681310
>>51681326

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>>51680937
Agreed, Pask is love.
>>51680939
I haven't tried her yet, but I hear she's super hard to kill.
>>51680998
Here.
>>51681108
I'd like to use some Vanquishers, but I'm wary. I wish we got those Beast Hunter shells from that one IA army.
>>51681192
I'm not totally sure of my meta yet, there's a lot of variety. I haven't played against too many similar armies. Terrain is a lot of tall buildings, but there's a decent amount of room to see between. I like having the blob squads because there's a few people who swarm and drop pod/deep strike in. I think my biggest issues come from positioning and not knowing the other person's army that well so I don't know what to focus on or what to avoid/tarpit. Some ended up cheating on accident because they didn't know theirs either. I feel like what happens is one flank ends up getting done in and it's a slow sweep along my side.

Mobility is also an issue so I've been considering doing some storm troopers and maybe a Vendetta.

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>>51681390
Was just thinking about how ugly most Tyranids look. Most paint schemes look awful. Pic' related is one of very few I think looks good. But some people would consider that 'easy' or bland.

>>51680846
Just do Blaster and Splinter Cannon. There are times you might not want a Blaster over just a splinter rifle in the ten man Raider squad for points reasons, but it's fine. It's very unlikely you'll want the shredder or dark lance in the squad. So it's not worth magnetizing.

>>51681435
It's mainly a matter of people not knowing what colors go well together on an organic body. Purple and gold works fine for space marines, but looks out of place for tyranids.

>>51681125
Most of the mods just exacerbate the pathfinding issues of DoW.

>>51681435
What's wrong with that color scheme? It looks great. Your friends are trash. Get new ones.

>>51681435

See, I play generic scheme Crons. Base leadbelcher, wash nuln, drybrush ironbreaker. That's my painting.

So I look at the blending on that Nid and nnnnnope.

>>51681435
I'm a big fan of yellow and black nids. Something about that color scheme triggers a primal "don't fuck with that" response

>>51681267
I was pulling the old no sex please we're British line

>>51681499
are you scared of bees

>>51681458
Bullshit. See insects.

>>51681267
Ever heard of short stories?

>>51681512
show me a bug that is purple and gold

>>51681237
Do it right in the cloaca

>>51681510
Black and yellow Nids usually remind me of poisonous frogs or venomous snakes. Nature likes yellow as a warning sign for 'don't touch' a lot of the time.

>>51681510
No, they're cute. But wasps and those jap monsters spook me hard

>>51681245

>Everytime something goes out of stock people scream end of days/rejoice at new model coming out.

Maybe they just don't have any stock in the store of your county right now? Ever thought of that?

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>>51681523

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>>51681461
Read the post again.

>>51681463
On that picture I'd change the white to more of a bleached bone look. I'd also contrast the bone/skin more to the carapace so I wouldn't wash black into it.

>>51681499
Agreed. That's one of the other looks I like. People still fuck it up though.

>>51681557
H-he's cute

Why do so many people do the blushed line effect on the back-ends of 'nid armour?

>>51681557
God dammit nature gotta prove me wrong

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>>51681573
>>51681578

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Would it be sensible to have a footslogging 10-sister squad providing fire support from the back lines with the Exorcist while the HQ squad rides their immolator up the rectum of my opponent? I'm kinda looking to shave something off my "do want" list.

>>51681549
No, it straight-up says "no longer available" and has the stamp on it.

>>51681557
It's more of a matter of the people using that gold and purple scheme not making it look organic like that though. If they wanted purple and yellow for the contrast, a more cream color can work better to make it seem less artificial. I'm talking people who just go for purple skin and gold carapace and don't get why that looks weird.

>>51681574

It's striations. Most bugs with chitin carapaces have it.

>>51681574
Adds a bit of texture to the boring flat panels

>>51681578
this shit is actually pretty tame for nature. I am not talking about colors even.

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Word Bearer marine horde (for 40k) y/n? Have shitloads.

>>51681588
everything in immolators shooting out of hatches... with celestine. wreck (as best one can in sisters)

>>51681588
These girls are to be allied with my Imperial Guard if that makes a difference.

>>51681301
it's a diorama. the models are literally glued to the table.

>>51681614
Could do okay. Go for big 20 man Chaos Marine blobs, throw in some Dark Apostles, and Zealot your way across the board.

>>51681578
It happens to everybody. Just try to keep an open mind in the future.

Wait, who am i kidding. this is tg, fuck it

>>51681606
>The only choices you have in painting a carapace is one color on the entire thing or with striations
Tip-top logic.

>>51681614
40k/30k get some cultists and some daemons and have a ball. You'll be happy. word bearers are cool

>>51681614
You don't have to do Word Bearers just because that's what was at Calth. You could to other legions too.

>>51681644
To rephrase, it's a really easy way of adding texture to them that doesn't involve carefully adding dot or stripe patterns along the ridges or whatever.

>>51681614
Alpha Legion and Thousand Sons dig blobs

>tfw want to make a close combat focused loyalist marine chapter
>tfw close combat is garbage this edition
>tfw space marine close combat IN PARTICULAR is garbage

>>51681644
Okay let me ammend what I said.
>its a simple and easy way to make the flat panels that are everywhere on nids less boring.

>>51681663
He's got a prospero box too. He presumably actually wants word bearers.

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>>51681644
I've seen spots, but it's a lot less common.

>>51681674
do it anyway, it will be fun

>>51681674
Just take Skyhammer. Was that so hard?

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>>51681674
skyhammer annihilation force is a very strong space marine close combat option, just give the devestators heavy bolters or lascannons or something as to not be a cunt

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Can you use the Defiler's (or any walkers) Power Scourge to neutralize models with a lot of attacks?

Does it have any use against Knights or Lords of War for that matter?

And, assuming Helbrutes can take it, how much damage could a Helbrute pack - squadron put out with three Power Scourges followed up by their Power-Fist or Thunder Hammer attacks?

>>51681723
>>51681674
Oh and also, ally in Space Yiffs that count-as something that fits your own army. Yiffs have insane close combat options like wulfen and thunderwolves.

So did Horus know that Magnus and the Thousand Sons would be taken in by Tzeentch when he sent Russ and the Wolves to purge them? Was he fully prepared to make Magnus the first primarch causality of the Heresy? Or was Erebus holding on to some sneakyshit info?

fracture of biel-tan when

>>51681704
I just use the technique duncan showed in the termagant painting vid but use a light grey instead of the blue

>>51681663
Bought the boxes to get a solid base for my army, which is gonna be word bearers (and will sculpt on a bunch of detail on both variants of marines as well). Started with Calth and then bought Prospero too on impulse as a guy at work was interested in buying off the sisters and custodes. So now I have 60 marines.
>>51681659
Indeed they are! They've been my favourite legion for quite some time, just never had the time to start an army.
>>51681670
So do Deathguard, which I'd run if it was only a question of rules. However I'm set on Word Bearers!
>>51681635
Yeah. Question is, MoN or not? It's a lot of points for huge squads, but would increase their defensive power quite a bit. Don't know about how much anti T5-horde people have nowadays though. (I'd model them with shields as MoN, as I'm not a big fan of the Nurgly look)

>>51681766
The original plan was to get two of his most dangerous opponents to exterminate each other; of course, Magnus' humility got the better of him and he lowered the shields, leading to the burning

>>51681806
Hm. Neat. So did Magnus ever find out what Horus did?

>>51681674
As a Black Templars player, I feel your pain.

As suggested, Yiffs and Skyhammer are your only real options, though Yiffs are effectively not Space Marines, especially not their Wulfen and Wolf rider guys and Skyhammer is mostly broken because of the insta-shooting Devastators and only marginally because of the Assault guys.

>>51681806
I need to read the Horus Heresy. Is the link in mega audio books or the actual books?

>>51681139
>>51681588

Yeah, whatever.
Do not buy the "one-click" bundles. They're garbage.
Honestly, you're better off lurking on eBay for the stuff you want.

What is the best way to run suicide cadre fireblade? I am still new, just got the model and I can field a good size army just without a Stormsurge or multiple big suits
Just need the most effective way to run him whether suicide or squad wiping

>>51681421
Your HQ looks fine. I'm not sure whether it would be a good idea to go double punishers with Pask. Its a lot of Dakka. CCS is fine imo.

Both of your infantry platoons are odd to me. I'd rather field 1 big platoon with a combined squad of 40 men than two small 20 man squads. It means that you can take 1 commissar and 1 psyker, (i presume that's what the astropaths are meant to be) and 1 vox (if you want vox) I'd make the guardsmen into a gunline behind aegis with autocannons or an assault force with flamers. You can augment the autocannons with grenade launchers if you so wish.

If you want the Lascannons take them as a heavy weapons squad so you don't waste lasgun fire or use an order to have split fire. Although they will be much squishier.

For your PCS i would potentially dismount it and give it 4 flamers to use as a counter attack unit. Should your infantry squad run into trouble.

I wouldn't recommend that you ever take plasma guns on regular guardsmen. Veterans just do it so much better and can take carapace to mitigate Gets Hot!

I would definitely try to run a veteran squad with the plasma guns, carapace and Chimera. I would also potentially try a melta vet squad too. My concern is that you don't have much long range anti tank.

Do your Leman russes have magentised sponson and hull weapons? There are a lot of options you can use if they are.

I've not tried it out but I've heard that the quad gun for the defense line is worth taking every time.

>>51681588
>>51681139
what did you use to make this?

>>51681821
As of yet it isn't clear, and until Crimson King comes out we likely won't know.

>>51681829
If it's Rho-Mu's library there are the actual books.

A Thousand Sons for the lead up to Prospero and Prospero Burns for Horus' plot

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Is this gonna be a good allrounder list?

Wasn't sure what to use my remaining points on so I dumped them into some shield upgrades, an Omnispex and the Pseudogenerator, since I never used that thing but someone last thread suggested that it can be pretty good.

>>51681802
Mark of Nurgle might be a good call for one squad. It'll make some of the lower strength shooting and blasts sting a bit less and help ensure you actually get to combat.

Mark of Slaanesh might be another option, as you can buy an Icon to give them all Feel no Pain for a relatively cheap price in such a large squad.

I would say to potentially do one 20 man nurgle blob and one 20 man slaanesh blob with an Icon. Have them mark up with an apostle in one to grant both Zealot so they won't back down.

Then, use the remaining 20 marines for Havocs, Chosen, and other special weapon teams to help support your main force. A sorcerer to buff your blobs might also be a good call.

>>51681741
Power scourge hits WS not attacks and doesn't stack, so it's of limited usefulness.

I just finished reading red tithe and enjoyed it way more than I expected to. It was my first entry into the black library, can someone give me a logical next step in 40k to pick up? Probably gonna go to the gw store and pick up whatever while playing

>>51680898
I think the guard players on most batreps I've seen just park their guns in their deployment zone and blast away. Any competent oponent with a reasonable list can top that once he gets close enough.

I rarely see matches where the IG player actually wields blobs and tanks well, using them as complementary tools to take over the board, using orders and psykers and shit. It's always pask in a punisher, a bunch of artillery and a blob behind fortifications. Meh.

>>51680230
Only Tau MCs (and Wraithknights and Dreadknights) deserve to be fucked over, and they shouldn't be MCs in the first place. Just make them into walkers and get rid of grav.

>>51681842
I have mine outflank with a squad of pathfinders and gun drones. Split fire with a couple special weapons helps to take out key targets, and then 24 inch range thanks to an accelerator means they've got a decent backfield gunline to hold things off with.

>>51680198
play 30k, 18 flavors of space marines and a few extras on the side. I wish 40k was as fun as 30k currently is.

>>51681674
>>tfw space marine close combat IN PARTICULAR is garbage

At least you don't hurt yourself failing morale checks, are immune to Fear, have decent initiative and can take Invulnerable saves.

>>51681855
Gyazo and paint.net.
>>51681841
Nope, I'm not dealing with a single fucking used figure ever again.

>>51681877

Red Tithe started sucking halfway through

If you like it you will probably like most BL. I couldn't even finish Blades of Damocles or whatever that Ultramarine vs Tau novel is that features young Sicarius and Ventris vs young Farsight and Shadowsun is but it's similar to Red Tithe with a lot of guerrilla fighting so maybe you'll like it

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>>51681257
>>51681460

i'll try Firestorm over Karuava

Anything else about TItanium mod?

>>51681561
>Scions...

Really if the scions/Former Black dogs Squadron existed in 40k, mankind's would fare better since their Living metal forging and tech is on par with the necrons.

Fast Terraforming included.

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>>51681883
please make them walkers so I can Fist of Khorne them

they really need to be able to be given the D for the amount of points I pay for this fucking formation

>>51681882
Am guard player, can confirm.
I got this army to hold the line, and damn it that's what I'm going to do

>>51681911
Don't go for used figures, just go for the people who are selling boxed stuff for 10% off or whatever

>>51681868
Yeah, that does sound nice. The question is how to arm them though. CCW/pistol or bolters. Not gonna get extra CCW on bolter guys, as that'd be another point sink after already marking them up. I've had the idea to go 50/50 in every squad, having bolterdudes in the front to shoot stuff and also get killed off first, then having the CCWs left in the back to do close combat. And plasma vs flamers?

I've had the idea of doing an assault-focused large tough Chosen unit. 4 flamers, MoN, and a lord. As we get votlw for free with the legions now, one of their largest drawbacks (2pts for it rather than the 1 for standard marines) is gone, the extra points seem like they could be worth it due to them having another base attack and coming with additional CCWs as well (though as stated earlier I'd prefer to just switch bolters for them at no additonal cost). Are the higher cost for them justified?

>>51681935
Scion are pretty much a hybrid of Tyranid and Necron, as far as 40k is concerned. They're one of my favourite races of all time in my favourite game.

It'd be difficult to make Tyranids and especially Necron look anything like Scion and look good. Maybe not Tyranid so much, actually. Black and yellow carapace.

>>51681883

>Just make them into walkers

Only if you make ALL suits into walkers.

Including Crisis and Broadside suits.

>>51681954
Buying boxed stuff for 10% off "or whatever" and adding the postage together will make that shit hardly cheaper than just buying direct from GW though, unless someone miraculously has a whole army on sale, unpainted and everything.

>>51681247
Dark eldar fuck non eldar including snake men and stuff

>>51682020
If they're such huge degenerates why don't dark eldar have anime?

Checkmate haters

>>51681988
Infantry stay infantry. If the person inside is considered a pilot for a giant mech, it becomes a vehicle e.g. Penitent Engine, Dreadnought, Titan Knight. The Wraithknight actually has an argument being an MC, but all the larger Eldar titans are super heavy walkers so it should be, too.

>>51681980
I would say to go for flamers to keep things cheap. Save the melta or plasma for other squads. The bolters on the nurgle squad is fine, since they're mainly there to distract and meatshield and win things through attrition. Slaanesh I would go heavier on the close combat weapons, since they'd be joining the apostle and shredding things at high initiative.

I think you could get 5 flamers in a unit of chosen, though they might be better off with meltaguns and going after harder targets if they have a Lord with them. They could do well as the bodyguard unit for a Chaos Lord, but you'll need a good way to deliver them, since they won't be as tanky as the hordes. And if you're giving them a land raider, then Mark of Nurgle might be less worthwhile on them.

>>51682045

>Infantry stay infantry.

But they're piloted. Not worn.

Can't make any exceptions for that.

>>51681864
Ah, forgot to add:
Should I drop some of the upgrades in favor of an Icarus Array? Never know how many fliers there will be (guaranteed to have at least 2 fliers in the Tyranid armies and there's usually some Land Speeders involved) so I'm not sure how to weigh the Skyfire over the potential FUCK YOU Power of the Neutron Laser

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>>51682039
>His Archon doesn't have the complete collection of all of Ancient Earth "ann-ee-may" holovids to be perused at any time
Is your Kabal even trying?

>>51682059
Can the exception be that making them walkers just makes things even worse, since AV 10 is about as resistant to bolters, except now they can always be using that 4+ invuln?

>>51681988

Crisis and Broadside suits have a claim to being infantry due to the pilot taking up so much of the suit. In this way, they're more akin to armoured exoskeletons. If we were going to make Crisis suits Walkers, then Centurions should be Walkers too.

There is absolutely no excuse for Riptides and Stormsurges not being Walkers however.

>>51682067
I want to make an anime kabal with a super sentai themed incubi squad.

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>>51682067
More than your is, you Baka ass motherfucker. Even has some of those fabled catgirls as well

>>51682067

It's confirmed that Trazyn has the best anime collection, right?

>I don't know who this Overlord "Ghundamh" is, but he's VERY impressive on the battlefield!

>>51682100

>since AV 10 is about as resistant to bolters

That's about lore accurate isn't it?

In recent times, I've never seen any Space Marine bringing Bolters against any suit with any amount of success save Stealth Suits.

They always bring out the big guns like Lascannons and Plasma guns.

>>51682119

The limbless torso in a Dreadnought occupies a greater percentage of the total area than a Stormsurge's pilots do.

>>51681882
I think that's also why I'm losing. I use a lot of psychic powers and orders, but not much movement. I don't know how to be mobile while also having long range anti-tank. I can move blobs and tanks and what not, but I won't have much range outside of Heavy Weapon Squads or tanks which are both overcosted.

>>51681980
The problem is that there's just so much I want in the army.
-A DP with ML3, possibly wings and then that tome from wordbearers wargear that gives yet another daemonology spell (sadly he's forced to take at least one god specific power due to being forced to take a "Daemon of", unless something has changed there) and hope for incursion to combine with the primaris summoning, so that he can cast both in one turn. All this because DPs are the only units that both have Daemon (no perils on any double) and gets the WBs bonus of gaining charges for summoning on a 3+ at the same time.

-At least two sorcerers, ML2 or so, at least one of them on bike, in either a bikesquad or with spawn (can I put MoN on spawn and still put an unmarked IC with them?), hoping for sacrifice; 1 charge with the 3+ summoning of wordbearers should make it very possible to create a bunch of heralds with 1-2 dice quite easily, if I have some extras over after the DP action. Also cursed earth could be nice.

-Big marine squads with apostles or lords

-Anything else needed to fill out the Chaos Warband thing

-Khorne juggerlord with axe of blind fury just because I started sculpting up a cool model for that, that I need motivation to finish, stuck into a spawn squad


At this point, it's hard to figure out how to fit in everything pointswise

>>51682119

>Centurions should be Walkers too.

Exactly.

>>51682100
>except now they can always be using that 4+ invuln?
What did he mean by this

>>51681854
Thanks for the tips and yes I've learned to magnetize all my stuff. I've got a lot to think about now.

>>51682100
>except now they can always be using that 4+ invuln?
Tau players use shields?

And yeah, that would be a downgrade from the 3+ saves they normally get.

>>51682137
You misunderstand. Right now, with toughness 4 and a 3+ save, you would need as many bolters to kill a crisis suit as you would if it was AV 10.

Except now, that would double, since for the extra points the Crisis suit can get a 4+ invuln save all the time and just double the amount of shots needed without overlapping with 3+ armor.

If this is an attempt to balance Tau by making everything walkers, you're missing the point. Being a Walker only hurts the Riptide that has a great armor save, a poor invuln save, and won't instantly die from a meltagun

>>51682137

And Gorkanauts, which are supposed to be insanely well armoured, explode like fireworks when Space Marines are merely in the vicinity.

Fluff is a poor argument to make for something having particular rules. Gaunts Ghosts has them killing a Chaos Dreadnought with cacti. It all comes down to who is writing the particular piece and from whose perspective it's from. The way Tau are presented in the fluff, they'd already have conquered the Galaxy.

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>>51682135
>Imotekh swings buy to visit Trazyn and look at his collection
>He discovers the titanic wing of "anime girl figures"
>Every last one of them has been hot-glued

>>51682047
The plan is to have little or no vehicles in the army at all. Never liked how fragile they can be, and if I only have one or two things with an AV then all enemy firepower is likely to focus it down. I'd rather see my enemy have to waste lascannons and shit on my basic troops!

My antitank would come from at least one bikersquad with meltas (need one for Chaos Warband formation anyway), which would also give me a reason to do what everyone else does and get Chaos Knights to count as bikers. Because that's cool as shit for CHAOS VULT-daemonworshipping dark crusaders. Then some standarg good ol' termicide squads as I really like the terminator models from both the its I bought and would like to use them. Also fills a spot for Chaos Warband if I don't end up running chosen.
See
>>51682152
For the stuff I'd like to fit in

>>51682185
>Except now, that would double, since for the extra points the Crisis suit can get a 4+ invuln save all the time and just double the amount of shots needed without overlapping with 3+ armor.
If crisis suits would be 10/10/10 jet pack walkers even then buying expensive shield generators for linesuits would be retarded. Sure they would take more beating but holy shit you could optimized those points somewhere else.

>>51682169
>Marines fire bolters at crisis suit
>Crisis suit takes 2 wounds total after using its 3+ save
>Marines fire bolters at crisis walker
>Crisis walker takes 2 HP thanks to AV 10, which is reduced to 1 with the 4+ invuln

>>51682181
It's not a downgrade when the AV 10 replaces the 3+ armor. You're basically arguing that people wouldn't buy shields for crisis suits if they stacked with armor saves.

Why take sanguinary guard?

>>51682226
Because they look cool and are fluffy to run along side dante?

>>51680450
>https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/02/08/rumour-engine-2/

It seems to be very zoomed in and the 'Gold' is weathered, could be like Orkimides or something.

Its probably AoS Dwarfs or something though, even new GW seems oblivious to the ongoing state of orks.

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>>51682192

>And Gorkanauts, which are supposed to be insanely well armoured, explode like fireworks when Space Marines are merely in the vicinity.

Those are poor in the lore too.

The Orks themselves even call the things a half ass attempt in the Evil Sun Rising novel.

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Is it possible for the tyranids in commoragh to form a long-term "alliance" with the local genestealer cult(s)? Did the deldar take any synapse creatures with them or did they only modify primitive warforms? If they did the latter, could those be dominated by a patriarch?

>>51682213
That's fair. I'm not a big fan of transports myself. Still, you'll have a hard time getting those Chosen into combat otherwise. You'd be better off with a Khorne Lord on a Juggernaut or a Nurgle lord on a bike joining up with a biker blob to be your armored cavalry.

Termicide with meltas could be a good addition to take out enemy tanks as well.

I think the general idea should work though. The key is to have enough bodies to distract the enemy through summoning and hordes while your scalpel units get rid of problems.

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>>51682239

>>51682254
>filename
One thing I've noticed about a lot of new art I pass off as mediocre when seeing the digital versions is it's kinda works in the physical books.

I was surprised at how much more I liked the physical deathwatch book.

>>51682264
Every time I read this it seems more and more like they're mocking anyone fool enough to have bought the things.

>>51682254
Pretty sure they mostly just took Gaunts and non-synapse creatures for use in the arenas. A patriarch could potentially mentally control those, though I'm not sure if he'd have much advantage in it compared to another psyker.

Either way, the idea of a cult getting some base tyrannoforms as cannon fodder could certainly work.

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>>51682135
i've been at trazyn's reliquary Once

And he showed me 3 giant cells with 3 giant titans with their pilots still inside

>One looked like the Nightbringer C'tan with armor, he bore the colors of the Black templars, and he was armed with a giant green scythe.

>The Second looked like Eldar Wrathknight, in full clad red and armed with a appeared to be a Eldar Singing spear.

>The Third one like a Giant Daemon of Khorne, with his body covered in green fire and wielding a Giant Fiery sword.

>>51682239

And lets not forget the Freeblade that destroyed 3 Gorkanauts and the Blood Angel Librarian that defeated and entire mob of them on his own, along with a bunch of other Ork walkers.

>>51680376
I remember picking Chaos because I have always been the one to pick the bad guy, and an army that revolved around pure selfish spiteful evil sounded fucking awesome, it was the idea of the sheer carnage Chaos Space Marines must leave behind when they fight: highly intelligent but also angry enough to kill everyone they set eyes on with no hesitation.

Then.....then I started to play them against people at my LGS

>>51682226
Because they are jump packing terminators. Sang.guards are actally pretty decentish and with those "Shoving golden stuff up your ass"-formations BA got in Angel's Blade-

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>>51681561
>>51681935
>>51681981
>BZfags actually exist in 40k
Holy shit I thought I was the only one. Now I have to be self-conscious about the Necrons I heavily based on Furies and Marines that I made Black Dog-level assholes in their honor

>>51682264
That line about 'cowards behind cover' makes me think they playtest with like no terrain at all and/or they go full autism-roleplay and like only Dark eldar and GSC get to use cover because they are sneaky bastards whereas marines and orks just run out in the open

>>51682320
>Golden Host Formation
>Requirements: The Sanguinor or Commander Dante, 2-5 Sanguinary Guard Units.
>Restrictions: None.
>Special Rules:
>Airborne Assault: From the second turn, you can choose the turn in which the units from this Formation arrive from Reserves. All units in the Formation must arrive on the same turn, and all must Deep Strike onto the battlefield. You can re-roll the scatter dice when units from this Formation arrive from Deep Strike Reserve.
>Glory of Sanguinius: Units in this Formation can charge on the turn from Deep Strike Reserve, but always count as making a disordered charge when they do so.

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>>51682254

New Drop Pod idea:
>loses Inertia Guidance System
>gets "Deep Strike Assault Weapon Systems"
>"If you would land a direct hit while determining your Deep Strike scatter, re-roll until you get a scatter direction. Additionally, use 3 dice to determine this unit's scatter distance."
>"Any enemy unit in a straight line between this unit's attempted Deep Strike position and its determined Deep Strike location can be attacked by this unit's weapons at full Ballistic Skill."
>standard equipment is either a twin-linked Hurricane Bolter or twin-linked Heavy Bolter
>can be exchanged for 2 Deathwind Missile Launchers for 15 points
>costs 55 points by default

Is this shit broken or just unusable? Basically a drop pod with weapons strapped to its underside.

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>>51682308
better question, do you think he has Navy fighter aces in his collection?

>>51682259
Yeah. When I do write up a proper list I'll see how much I end up having left for marine blobs (or rather what upgrades I can afford for them). Don't really know what points value I'm aiming for yet though.

Also, for havocs, is it worth giving them MoN and some extra marines to increase survivability? I see a lot of people taking min squads when building lists, but it seems strange to me as it means they start losing their heavy weapons as soon as they start taking fire.
For their loadout I'm thinking 2-3 AC, 1-2 ML (flak missiles on those if I expect to meet flyers). Would it be better to split into 2 squads with one weapon type each, or be okay with one squad with a mix for versality?
Ah, I've got a lot of questions. While I've been theoryhammering for long, I haven't played many games since back when we had the old codex with Legion rules, and the few games I've played inbetween have been small ones with necrons.

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Sup /tg/! I went to a Tournament today with a very strange new game type. We played a new game called "Assassinate", with Asymmetrical point values and a rather hilariously one-sided objective.

One player is "The Target" and has 2000 points. They bring a single HQ that is designated as the target, and they deploy in a 12"x24" rectangle in the center of the board.

The other player only has 1000 points, but they get a rather huge list of army-wide buffs to choose from, and they deploy 9" from either long-ways table edge. Everyone had to play one game as "The Target" and one game as "The Assassin".

For my first game I went up against Iron Hands with a Cerastus Knight, while I had Captain Valentine and Chapter Master Lias Issodon, as well as like 30 rough riders.

>>51682348
Seems more pointless than anything else. A few bolter shots in a random direction isn't going to be as nice as just landing where you wanted and having the unit blast the important thing.

>>51682302
Sweet. Time to make my own gang of commoragh, with neophytes and mawlocs.

>>51682302
Wait wouldnt the nids just attack the genestealers? i dont think a patriarch has the power to control even lesser gants. The scary part is that now that the nids are out they will probably produce a Hive Tyrant at some point.

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>>51680364
Also the orks are the only race with some end times lore buildup that havent even been mentioned.

Please dont let the rules suck GW PLEASE!!!!!

>>51682348
I would keep the current rule but
>change it so it only reduces distence if it would mishap, this way it can land in terrain
>ALWAYS scatters 3d6, 2d6 if a hit was rolled

What do you think? Not too different but way more unreliable.

>>51682368
>still unpainted RRs
>partially painted speeder I think
Come on Raptors Anon. One of your few good points was you actually painted your shit.

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>>51682368
And so the rules for the game were as follows:
> Defending player automatically wins if the game ends with his Warlord still alive
> Attacking player automatically wins if the defender's warlord is dead.
> Attacker automatically starts first. There is no Seize the Initiative roll

I really like the idea of the standard tac squad.

But they're a fucking tax. There's no way to make them good.

>>51682397

Battle Company?

>>51682393
I think the unpainted SM stuff is the enemies. But seriously, unpainted empire knights? Come on

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>>51682393
Sorry bro, I can't paint my Rough Riders until I get Oval-bases for them. I really wish I could go ahead with them. I do plan on having them using this colour scheme(WIP).

>>51682362
You don't really want to mix weapons on a Havoc squad like that. Buying extra bodies for survivability might be nice, but I'm less sure on the marks as they'll be taking more long ranged fire that's likely higher strength.

>>51682254
Wait, are there Genestealer cults in Commorragh?

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>>51682308


Motherfucker, He captured Sindri's Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great ..... Father!.

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>>51681882
>>51681854
How about this? I thought a lot about movement and board control after you mentioned it anon. My thoughts were basically this.

- Move up Conscript blob, Vets, Melta PCS, Autocannon blob, Demolisher, Punisher
- Both HWS, Exterminator and CCS stay behind the Aegis
- Use order to fire then run with the Autocannon blob
- Use Prescience on Punisher and Melta PCS squad
- Deep strike to grab or suicide mission with the storm troopers
- Use ignore cover on the HWS or the order to get back up if they go to ground behind the wall

I might want to change up how I do all the Lemans. Part of me wants to keep Pask in so I can put him on the move and maybe drop one of the Lemans to put in a Wyvern and upgrade the other 2 tanks to a Tank commander with Pask.

>>51682394
What is up with that predator? Yellow red and ultramarines symbol? Also 2/10 space shark paint job

>>51682382
That's not how Tyranids work. If it's just basic gaunts, they're essentially no different than any other wild animal. A psyker with sufficient power could easily mentally puppet them around with telepathy, just as they could with a dog or a person. Larger nids might prove more difficult to control, but still doable.

Most nids aren't capable of reproducing either. Hormagaunts are, but something like a Carnifex would be on a relatively short fuse. There would be the risk of them encountering the same hive fleet and getting control assumed once again, but that's less of a risk when you're in the webway.

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>>51682454
I have no idea actually, my opponent was indeed playing Space Sharks. His army could probably look actually decent if he bothered to wash any of them. But at least he had the saving grace of EVERY model actually follows the mandatory "Bolter+Pistol+CCW" modeling.

I actually completely botched my turn at being the assassin, since I completely forgot I even had two scout squads(Heavy Bolter+Combi-Grav and cloaks). I even got my Leviathan in melee with Tyberos the Red Wake, and FATMAN only succeeded in wiping Tybby's squad before dying to 5 chainfist hits. On the plus side my leviathan rolled up S7@9" for his explode radius, and ended up taking out a shitload of the space sharks.

>>51682368
I had a fun game today.
1500 points of Dark eldar vs Tau.

I took first turn and decided to just rush everything at him, come his turn he just about blows half of every squad I had away but everyone passed their panic checks.

Reavers and talos killed his riptides, archon somehow managed to tank a shitload of plasma shots on his shadow field and slice up ghost keels with a husk blade.

He conceded turn four, not to say I'm proud of it but I am bragging.

>>51682430
Oh yeah, you're right about the long range thing. Might get in extra bodies at least, a few extra marines aren't really that expensive, especially unmarked.
You sure about the mixed weapon thing though? seems quite useful. 3AC 1ML; shooting light vehicles/MCs or such? fire a krak. Shooting flyers? At least one of your weapons doesn't snapshot. Shooting infantry because there's nothing else in range? Might as well put in a blast marker. Seems like it could be useful. Don't know though, as I said I've moslty theoryhammered the last few years. It does seem like ACs are the most worthwhile though, but wouldn't one ML (with or without antiair missiles) be a useful addition?

>>51680846
no
one squad with 5 rifles
one squad with blaster
get a second transport

dont put 10 dudes in a single transport the transports are too flimsy for that point level

>>51682394
I love those sponsons, are they from the old Predator or something?

Hey guys, with the new Ynari from gathering storm I have been hearing a lot about d-scythe wraiths with a webway portal. But wouldn't a raider be the better option? An archon with a wwp is at least 95 pts and offers no scatter which is good, but when placing your wraiths down not all of them will be able to shoot. With templates you can not shoot through friendly models so the wraiths in the center or back of your deep strike cluster will not be able to shoot. With a raider you are only paying 55 points and you can scatter, but 1/3 of the time you will not. Then the 2/3s that you do scatter you can disembark 6" from where you scatter before shooting. If I am not mistaken you can also pivot the raider (because it is a long model) before disembarking to add about 3", meaning as long as you dont scatter more than 9" you should be fine. The raider also has the advantage of being able to move 12" to your next target and the flames coming from the same point on the hull helps too.

>>51682499
Hmm...it isn't the worst way to mix weapons, as they do want to be shooting at similar targets a lot of the time. The main thing would be giving up expense for that bit of specialization in an otherwise generalist squad.

>>51682525
Yep, they were a modern Predator Chasis with 2nd Edition Sponsons. When I get more predators, I plan on converting mine to use 1st edition Hovertank Chasis... Made from deoderant sticks.

>>51682368
>>51682394
>>51682492

Cool stuff but I have no idea how you managed to make a jpeg have a file size that large.

>>51682448
That looks pretty cool.

I don't really like putting HWTs in blobs, I feel like you waste the lasgun shots way too often, looking for good targets with the heavy weapons.

Conscripts are just honestly absolutely fucking great. One of the best units in the codex, in my opinion. A 90 point, 30 man unit that no opponent can ignore cause they wreck shit, even with bad morale and BS.

I don't really like the punisher without pask in it, maybe I don't play it right, but I never get enough turns of shooting from it - and when I do it's just more anti-infantry shots, which lasguns already do

>>51682385

We know from the Ghaz supplement that Orkimedes has nearly completed a Tellyporta linking Octavius and Armageddon. Thanks to the Beast series, we also know that Armageddon is actually Ullanor, homeworld of the Beast.

>Orkimedes completes his mega-Tellyporta
>Ghaz tellyports back to Armageddon
>The gigantic amounts of energy used, along with Ghaz being super-charged by the Ork gods, causes long dormant Ork technology from the age of Beast on Armageddon to activate.
>Whole planet begins to violently shake, Orks are worried but Ghaz proclaims it to be a sign from Gork and Mork
>The oxide deserts begin to bulge, something rising from under them
>Horrified Imperial captains in orbit watch as the deserts recede, revealing a gigantic metal face, its eyes two Hives, each ablaze from the energies released
>All over Armageddon, the land is splitting apart as Ork structures emerge, festooned with guns
>Ghaz sends a message back to Octavius, telling the ladz there to get through the Tellyporta, because Gork and Mork have given the Orks somethin' real speshul.
>As Orks flood through, the great mouth suddenly speaks
>Turns out there was another Prime-Ork in stasis on Ullanor
>"No gitz' 'arder than me" - Ghazghkull, M41.999
>Ghaz storms into the central control room of the planet
>Cataclysmic battle between Ghaz and Primeork. Ghaz growing from sheer power of Gork and Mork
>Prime-Ork defeated, but swears fealty. Ghaz has a new lieutenant.

>>51682448
My only thoughts are to reduce the number of melta guns on the PCS. Only 2 fire ports on the Chimera and they're very, very fragile outside of it.

I'm not a fan of the missile launcher personally as I find it to be inferior to the lascannon. I'm going to presume that both heavy weapon squads are like that due to model limitations (2 lascannon, 1 mortar)

I'm not sure what would be a good way to run the russes. I agree that punisher should have Pask.

For me I tend to specialize my Russes. My exterminator is heavy bolters all round, same with Punisher. I tailor them to a role and don't try to multirole them at all.

I also like to keep distance between myself and the enemy so I avoid the Demolisher.

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>>51682570
>literally Orkrons
No thanks.

>>51682570

>With the vast amount of Orks on Octavius flooding into Armageddon through the Tellyporta, Ork numbers of Armgaeddon start hitting a critical mass
>They begin to evolve, just like in the Beast series
>One emerges, smarta and more kunnin' than the others
>Ghaz declares him the Herald of the WAAAGH, sends him off to tell the other Orks of the galaxy that Ghaz is coming to unite them
>Meanwhile, Armageddon finally stabilizes
>The Beast had planned to turn his whole planet into an attack moon
>Now, Ghaz is at the helm
>Ghaz sails his Attack Planet out of the system and off to his destiny.

>>51682570
>Thanks to the Beast series, we also know that Armageddon is actually Ullanor,
Well, holy shit. It's so obvious.

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How is the organization of the World Eaters different from the vanilla Space Marine organization. Would their focus on close combat make them have more berserkers or would they keep the same patterns.

>>51682536

It's still assumed that Wraithguard can't start embarked in a raider because they're still separate factions.

>>51680322

>Nobody answered this poor anon

Minotaurs are Greek-themed but fluffwise have nothing to do with them. Ultramarines are Roman themed and actually have a Roman theme kek. However neither group is necessarily medieval themed, they're pre-medieval. Minotaurs take their names/colour scheme from Mycenaean style Greek culture.

Biel-Tan has a bit of a medieval Byzantine theme in that they're basically a rump empire trying to fight off dirty Turkroach hordes.. er, uh, dirty humans. You know, same shit. But that's not what you're looking for, probably, based on "language or visually" being criteria.

>>51682637
They can now, because Ynnari is technically a new faction with all of those models as a part of it.

It's very dumb

>>51682622
>World Eaters
>Organization

>>51682613
I didn't know! You spoiled it for me

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>>51682662
I meant in and around the Heresy, not after their defeat and subsequent separation.

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>>51682622
Technically speaking, the world eaters would still have devastator, assault and specialist companies in their ranks.

They'd just all carry close combat weapons and act with much less coordination. Remember the legion broke into a bunch of random warbands at skalabawhateverax

>>51682677
Oh. My bad.

>>51682541
I guess. But it could be useful if only running one havoc squad was my general idea. It's not like I'd put MLs in any other squad, so spending some points on one with antiair could be a good choice against players with flyers (at least the ACs aren't completely useless agains them, it's still an avarage of one hit with 3 ACs on 6+ hit, so might get in a glance or two if lucky)

Also, on to Daemon summoning. Wings or not on the summoner DP? It's quite expensive, but at least it does give extra survivability and mobility, so probably a yes.
Assuming I manage to get incursion on him (switch a bad roll for primaris, then hope at least one is incursion) I can summon two squads per turn with him quite reliably. Probably going with plague drones for incursion, they've got nice movement and could be nice to move around with the DP if he's got wings.
What to focus on with the lesser summoning though?

Also, wargear setups for Heralds, assuming I get Sacrifice on at least one sorc. In a thread a while ago when I was first thinking about this someone reccomended a nurgle one with the bell that lowers enemy ld by one as long as he's on the table. Perfect turn one summon to stick far behind the frontline. For the rest? Guess it'd be smart to focus on one god for the lesser daemon + heralds, so they have squads to join. Though a lone herald is always a good fire magnet, the enemy will have to waste one units shooting phase to kill it off, or ignore it and let it do some shit (like charging in into some melee combat where noone can fire more overwatch,or waste a units overwatch if it looks like it could be painful for any of my charing units).
Thing is, I need to be able to plan around models, as I'm not a huge fan of too much proxying (I do sculpt a lot of custom models, but at least it's clear what those represent, talking more the sort of "Oh these bloodletters are plaguebearers").
(cont.)

If I wanted to use 30k rules vs nercons and orks 40k, would it be balanced or would it make my armies too strong in comparison.

>>51682722
40k has the edge until >2k
Beyond that 30k can field more shit and better-equipped armies but cheesed out 40k still wins easily

>>51682448
Consider just a regular old tank commander. You roll for your warlord trait, but the traits you can get are actually really good.

>Disciplinarian:
Your tank's infantry escort/meatshields are less likely to run. Good for you're plans in particular. I love doing what you do, but this plan doesn't work if the enemy is using deep strike, drop pods, or skimmer spam. Which leads me to...
>Outflank:
Hi, I'm a veteran squad! Would you like me to be behind enemy lines? How about me, my chimera, AND a Leman Russ Demolisher behind enemy lines! Don't forget we can tank shock onto the board and still shoot, so counterdeployments are far harder! This is a good trait if you want to avoid a skyhammer assault wrecking your vehicles, but don't want to hide in a corner: Just come in on turn 2 or 3 on a flank to make up for lost time! Best used with an officer of the fleet in your command squad, but it will cost you which is this trait's downside. Consider if you don't want tempestus.
>Preferred Enemy:
Discount Pask! Almost as good as a BS5 tank.

Remember, your a combined arms detachment. So if you want 1 warlord trait in particular you have a 2/3 chance to get it.

>>51682706

And how viable is possession? Figured it could be nice if I rolled it up on a biker sorc, or nice as backup on the DP to pull off when he's near death. Love the idea of popping a Bloodthirster right in the enemys frontline. And that FAQ stated that any of the new variants of them can be chosen for the possession spell.
It still goes off if used by a sorc that blows himself up with perils but successfully gets the charges right?

>>51682553
>I don't really like putting HWTs in blobs, I feel like you waste the lasgun shots way too often, looking for good targets with the heavy weapons.
Thank you. This is exactly how I feel too. It feels like a waste of massed lasguns.

I will find a way to rearrange the points to make Pask in the Punisher.

Conscripts are amazing yes. They never let you down.

>>51682592
>I'm going to presume that both heavy weapon squads are like that due to model limitations (2 lascannon, 1 mortar)

That was a mistake actually, thanks for catching that. Now I know I have 15 less points. As for the Missile Launchers I agree with you, I just happen to have 3 Missiles left over. I might look into getting 3 more Lascannons or I can take the 3 Autocannons from the other squad and make them a HWS.

>Only 2 fire ports on the Chimera and they're very, very fragile outside of it.
This is very true. I considered doing 4 so they could hop out and get Prescience, but I'm not sure because it seems like a suicide option. I will consider dropping 2.

>For me I tend to specialize my Russes
I agree.

Exterimnator with Plasma Cannons is my one exception. I really like Plasma Cannons on the Exterminator because they are both S7 weapons so they both work great on light vehicles and MCs. Autocannons are also decent anti-infantry weapons and Plasma Cannons are great anti-infantry so whatever I'm shooting at I don't feel like either weapon is wasted. I put the Lascannon there out of habit, but I will drop it now. Over all, Exterimantor with Plasma Cannons has been consistently a great combination for me only second to Punisher Pask.

Thanks for all the advice guys I really appreciate it. This has helped me re-think a lot of stuff.

>>51682706
Generally, you should think of summoning as a toolbox. Wings are good for a DP doing it. You'll probably want to go for either Horrors for the warp charges, or Bloodlettters/Daemonettes depending on what needs killing.

You could probably get away with just a squad of pink horrors and a couple squads of bloodletters. Summoning is weird though.