Age of Sigmar General /aosg/

>>51665436
uh, looks like there's finally gonna be some decent art

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>>51665453

AoS has had decent art before, it just depends on the artist or what style you like.

>>51665479
it's had like six or seven decent pieces so far, not counting the covers

what I hate the most about the art direction of AoS is that you almost never see cities or civilian scenes. As a result I have no idea what the fuck the world(s) looks like.

>>51665595
Which makes sense once you consider that civilization was pretty much wiped out. Up until the current point in the timeline there weren't any cities to be covered (sure Nuhlamia... but that's death and it doesn't get coverage).

Now we are supposed to be seeing cities, and I guess the cover-box of Shadows over Hammerhall counts as.

I decided to jump into AoS and looking at GA Death.

I fell in love with models that are spirits or filled by spirits like Mortis Engine, Morghasts, Hexwraiths and ofc Mortarchs.

Are small elite armies (I've tried scroll builder and for 1k points I could set up like 8 morghasts and mortarch as leader) playable, or I have to spam skellingtons and keep cool things as single additions?

>>51665403
1. Never

2. I'm probably gonna start playing 40k with a mono nurgle daemon list until the semester ends or I can't take it anymore

>>51665595
i believe it will come with time. It has only been a few years afterall, and it's not like WHFB had that many arts with civilians anyway (and the RPG helped too in that regard, for fluffing daily life stuff)

What's the most disgustingly OP
-unit
-list
-race
-alliance
in your opinion?

>>51665414
As a stormcast tournament player, unless they are cheap as fuck or are mandatory into warrior bro 2.0, they wont see a table ever.

>>51665660
my bad, only 4 morghast and 1 boss

I'm trying to work out my counts as stuff for my "undivided" tzeentch army

Griff hounds as flesh hounds

Demi Griff mounts as Juggarnauts, trying to decide if the rider should be a Thousand sons styled storm cast, a horror or a tzaangor


Open to more suggestions

Currently on the GW website, Extremis Chamber has a 0 next to it. Sign of things to come or am I overreacting to a simple glitch?

>>51665777
Flesh hounds, juggernauts... tzeentchian? I guess I'm missing something.

Use Kayric acolytes heads for the stormcast armor, paint thousand sons colours.

>>51665795
I'd imagine they're going to dissolve it into the main Stormcast branch since they're consolidating all the Stormcast rules into the new Stormcast battletome.

>>51665479
i love flagellants. kill a few, get lots of attacks

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>>51665725
-8 Desolators
-Stonehorn span + 3x10 savage
-Probably Beastclaw because of the above
-Probably Destruction/Order

In non comped tournament where FW is authorized, destruction easily.

I play Stormcasts and Sylvaneth kurnoth spam + 3 hurrricanum faggotery hate list.

Special mention to SHARTOR + BULLCENTAUR + DEATHSKRIEKER SPAM
Shartor+Sayl combo can kill half an army turn 1 if you are against horde armies.

>>51665660
actually, most competitive armies in AoS are mostly elite/hueg monsters, with basic troops only here for the battleline tax
so just do it, and try it out !

>>51665676
well fuck you

>>51665803
The idea is that I'm using an undivided list, but with tzeentch flavored proxies

>>51665414
Not bad, but very specific in what they do, which is savage an enemy warmachine crew or put the wammy on careless backline buffers.
For straight-up bashing there are better choices.
If they are battleline and priced between Judicators and Liberators I can see myself using a unit.

Also, Bravery 7 is neat. Maybe Liberators also got bumped up?

>>51665621
landscapes would be nice too

>>51665819
I'm 100% Okay with that statement.
Like every inputs.

For the record U'm a dwarf and fireslayer player looking to ghb 2.0 and steamhead, before calling doom on my dwarfs.

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How can I convert my sigmarines to make them more volkisch and less WoWish?

I've considered giving some of them bare chests/arms from bloodbound figs but I'm afraid it'll make them look gay
and it still isn't enough to get that germanisch vibe to them.

any ideas?

>>51665428
>Abjuration
Worthless. One Priest can already unbind everything and the other has other duties.
>Bless Weapons
Pretty great. Cast this on Retributors or Concussors for maximum fun.
>Divine Light
Utility! Rerolling ones to hit is solid, but forcing rerolls of sixes is amazing.
>God-King's Aspect
Good against certain armies. The caveat is not particularly daunting and it's a bubble instead of targetted. A Lord-Veritant will be in the thick of it anyway, might as well make the most of him.

>>51665830
>>51665803
Also thanks for the recomendation the other idea was to centaurize the demigriffs and use them as either centagors, bull centaurs or dragon ogres

>>51665904
Khorne bloodbound with stormcasts weapons.

anything else will be either too complicated or 3x more expensive than a regular army, both of which will make that idea nothing more than an idea.

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>>51665403
/AoSg/ I need your help! Im going to a tournament tomorrow, and I need help making a competative list! It's a 1000 points, General's Handbook, etc.

I need help making a good army out of what I have;
70 Skeletons/w spears
15 Tomb Guard/w great weapons
10 Ghouls
5 Blood Knights
5 Black Knights
5 Hex Wraiths
3 Vargheists
3 Spirit Hosts
1 Necrosphinx
1 Zombie Dragon
1 Coven Throne
1 Abbhorent Ghoul King
1 Flying Vampire
1 Necromancer
2 Tomb Kings
2 Tomb Wraiths
1 Banshee
1 Screaming Skull catapult

How do I make a army that is reasonably competative out of this?

>>51665965
try being imaginative instead of being dismissive

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>>51665770
Don't forget the 60-80 points you've left, they can be used to summon some skellingtons or zombies. If you like the look of spirits you can also paint your skellington horde in the same way gw paints spirits, the result is quite nice and they end up looking like a pic related

>>51665904
>but I'm afraid it'll make them look gay

Afraid? Getting where you want basically requires you to Tom of Finland on it.

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>>51666010
Wait, you go to a tournament and ask for a list on the trollest board of all internet, 24 HOURS nefore it happen, without knowing what os the local meta or heavily playtesting a list with pre-established Strategy/tactics to use the list to the fullest???

I hope you did not pay a CENT for that tournament because you'll be out after the first game.

>>51666010
1 Necrosphinx
20+ skeletons in 2+ units
A leader
Whetever the fuck you want doesn't matter the necrosphincter is gonna win the game singlehandledly

1000 points

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Shameless re-questioning to fellow anons:
How to start Death army? I don't like how ghouls looks, TK are impossible to get, so I'm left with spooks and rattlers.
Where should I start and what to get, desu both maligants and skellingtons SC! looks cool but how to expand to play some chillout 1k game.

>>51666010
i'll suggest you 2x 20spearmen
1 banshee to cattle the skellies around
one vamp' lord on zombie dragon to eat everything
and three vargheist to strike isolated weak units

it's a list i want to try, i've received positive feedback about it

>>51666015
>SPOONFEED ME PLEASE

Sorry, nobody is going to be imaginative for you to stroke an imaginary army that you'll end up never doing anyway.
Especially with that shitty attitude.

At least this guy told you how to make them.

>>51666061
fug :DDD

>>51666088
get one of each SC and a mournghul.
Then 3x10 zombie as battleline

>>51666097
fuck off moralizing cunt, nobody asked for your judgement.

go find something else to feel righteous about.

>>51665904
You could pick a different faction instead of trying to force one into becoming something it flat-out isn't. That'd be a good starting point.

>>51666010
You have all that but you can't come up with a semi-decent list on your own?

>>51666088
buy more skellies
remenber to assemble all the black knights as hex wraiths
other wise it's plenty enough for 1k points
you may also want the flesh eater SC, if you like vampire you can assemble a vampire lord on dragon and vargheits for a good punch "and use the leftover ghouls as trophy/base decorations for the rest of your army"

>>51666129
OR
I can BE A HOBBYIST and CONVERT MINIATURES instead of being a lazy faggot.

Besides, it's flat-out wrong to say that Stormcast Eternals flat-out aren't germanic heroes of legend, since they quite literally are heroes of legend reforged into supersoldiers by a germanic hero of legend.

But by all means, if you have found a super-secret AoS miniature range that happens to be made of nothing but Siegfrieds, do point me towards it.

Or just apologize for being in the wrong.

>>51666170
Between Neferata, a Vampire on Dragon with and Arkhan with a Necromancer to cast Dance Macabre on him wich one is better?
Red Fury or Ruler of the Night?
And finally do i take the minimum amount of skeletons and take some more support/"tarpit" units like Hewraiths and some more "hammer" units like Morghasts or do i invest on skeletons with big units and support from a Wraith King and a Necromancer?

Allegiance: Death

Leaders
Royal Warsphinx (340)
- Venom Spike Tail

Battleline
3 x Skeleton Chariots (140)
3 x Skeleton Chariots (140)

Units
3 x Necropolis Knights (160)
3 x Necropolis Knights (160)

Total: 940/1000

is this a decent list ?
i still need to get my hands on the necropolis knights

>>51666336
I meant Vampire on Dragon with Sword

>>51666249
>instead of being a lazy faggot
Like you are right now? Because I don't see you coming up with any inspired Stormcast conversions here, hobbyist.

>>51666338
>3 x Necropolis Knights (160)
>3 x Necropolis Knights (160)

Necropolis knights are 240 points per 3 in the new faq tho.

>>51666249
>I can BE A HOBBYIST and CONVERT MINIATURES instead of being a lazy faggot.

Except you have the imagination and skill of a dead retarded mollusc.
So much that you need to cry here to have even a idea of what you want to do and will never do.

And you are so retarded you'll endlessly answer angrily to anyone and still hope for someone to spoonfeed you completely.
If you are that skilled just make every single sculpt out of greenstuff. and make molds of them, and GTFO, retarded faggot.

>>51665904
>volkisch
>looking gay
Pick two

>>51665904
Anyone using the term 'völkisch' should instantly be disqualified from any discussion.

>>51666336
it depends on what you like.
as a general rule in AoS, you want minimum battleline with lots of heavy hitter, but you can make a nice bone zone by piling up skellies and buffing them
if you plan to buy the SCs though, you shouldn't go for bone zone, it would be a shame to waste all those nice units

>>51666636
Having abundant battleline isn't that bad. They generally are the better way to get body count.

>>51666714
bodycount is useless in aos tho. You want hard hitters.
90% of tournament winning list have less than 50 models.

>>51666636
Is this a proper Bone Zone?

Allegiance: Death

Leaders
Wight King with Baleful Tomb Blade (120)
- General
- Trait: Ruler of the Night
- Artefact: Cursed Book
Necromancer (120)
- Mount: Nightmare
Arkhan The Black Mortarch of Sacrament (340)

Battleline
40 x Skeleton Warriors (320)
- Ancient Blades
10 x Skeleton Warriors (80)
- Ancient Blades

Units

Total: 980/1000

Arkhan can also be buffed by the WK and Necro/Himself to make 36 attacks a turn

>>51666752
And the remaining ones bring a tide of gobbos.

Bodies aren't bad in AoS, but not game-breaking.

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>>51666763
this is a nice bonezone
may you spook your opponents shitless

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>>51666792
But bodies have really harsh hard counters.
Between Shartor, or the new tzeentch spells, I dont see someone buying $600 of bodies just to have them evaporate.

>>51666846
40 skellies cost less than a greater demon of tzeentch

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>>51666763

>Arkhan The Black Mortarch of Sacrament (340)
>Total: 980/1000

dingdingding

>>51666861
It only cost 20 points less.

And a gaunt summoner of tzeentch can kill 20 skellies out of 40 with its single spell on AVERAGE, for 200 points less than the skellies, what is your point ?

Posted this before, burn I'll try again.

I'm working on the fluff of my Sylvaneth, which will determine how I paint and play them. Basically, I'm torn between Harvestboon and Winterleaf. I like how both theoretically play. One side has angry trees and the other has more potential for silly three magic.

The fluff in short is that a treeman ancient was slain a long time ago, shattered into countless splinters by a great warlord [not sure what yet], and a Branchwych and Branchwraith were born from the two largest. The two then go on to lead followers based on whichever house I go with, which includes a Treeman who fought under the felled ancient.

That's the basic idea, at least.

A Winterleaf group would be born of vengeance and hatred. The sisters arrive at the clan and gather followers to stalk the realms for the scattered splinters, killing those who would stand in their way. To find such a splinter is to risk their wrath for it is the embodiment of their ferocity.

A Harvestboon group would be born from a new beginning. A small grove marks the place of the ancients death, tended to by the sisters, who are guided to their house by a splinter at the grove's heart. There, they gather followers to find the lost splinters, leaving verdant bloom in their wake. To find a splinter is to risk the wyldwood, for it is the embodiment of life.

>>51666898
Harvestboon as a way cooler paint scheme, and the story is less edgy, so I would go for them.

>>51665759
Not sure I'd agree. If they cost 120 or so and battleline there are uses. Ten bolt shots should probably waste or at least cripple most warmachine crews and with some luck you might pull off a charge against a second target. And even if not, your opponent now has a bunch of Liberator-tier guys in his backyard. While not super-dangerous, it's not something that can be ignored either.

>>51666865
What's the point if i'm gonna use those points on more skeletons anyway?
also summoning is a shit mechanic

>>51666915

It's still a work in progress at this point, but I suppose Winterleaf in general is less edgy. How would I make it less so?

>>51666890
well i meant money wise, but i did suffered the op gaunt summoner spell, god it is awful against horde

>>51666961
>A Winterleaf group would be born of vengeance and hatred.
>killing those who would stand in their way

I probably think it's how it's written, I mean of course it's Warhammer, it's grimdark and shit, and most fluff for most armies is basically this, but I think it look too much like *nothin p3rs0nal, kid* but it's mainly because your fluff is so short right now.

I do think he is right and Harvestboon has the better paint scheme.

>>51667067

I think their schemes are pretty similar with a few warm greens traded for cool blues, at least in the book. However, the Dunc did just do a Harvestboon video, so maybe it's a sign. I might have more fun with Treesinging shenanigans anyway.

The fluff IS short, though. I haven't had time to sit down and properly flesh it out. Any ideas?

>>51665414
What are you guys' thoughts on these? When I look at those, they seem almost mandatory against armies with artillery-centric gunlines and squisy support heroes, while being mostly worthless otherwise.

>>51665904
I'm doing this for my Vanguard stormcast.

a) using Marauder and Space wolf heads, all bare headed or open helmed.

b) Dark almost gunmetal armour

c) weapons a shining silver to contrast the Gunmetal

d) cloth decals leather or tan

e) volnuts and celtic knots over arms and on shoulders.

I'll post on AoSg when I have finished

>>51667293
A unit behind enemy line is always useful for tying up rearguards and circling in charges.

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>>51665414
>Boltstorm Pistol
Literally just Bolt Pistol with the word Storm thrown in there

metal tree dude here, I'm planning out the "Steelthorn Revenants" now, they settled in the Realm of metal and pissed off a bunch of dwarves because their leaders ended up nested near a vein of Ur-Gold

>>51665777
Birb heads on Seekers of Slaanesh, evil chocobos

>>51667470
Too bad that art is a 8 months late honestly, it would have been a staple art?meme for AoS.

>>51667289
Name your Branchwraiths/Branchwyches
Choose whoever it is they hate the most (such as Chaos or Destruction, or a more focused gropu like Daemons of Khorne or Orruks)
Epic Rocky-esque montage.
Angry tree smash.

Just my thoughts.

>>51667289
>I haven't had time to sit down and properly flesh it out. Any ideas?

Maybe do lotr style and find a point of interest of a quest to do.
Flesh out the point of interest and why it is of interest and the connection to your army then find an arch enemy that want to destroy/steal something important and the rest will write itself.

So reading through the Sylvaneth Battletome, it's pretty apparent that whoever wrote this book took heavy influence from Circle Orboros from Hordes what with the whole creating and moving forests shit.

This kinda makes me want to make a Sylvaneth army now.

>>51667621
>Name your Branchwraiths/Branchwyches

Twiggy Strongbranch

hey what would be a good sauce on female torsos?

>>51667293
Sadly think they are bad unless its like 120 for 10.
wont see a lot of play, unless OP bataillon

>>51667962
For what?

>>51665414
What the fuck is the keyword Angelos?

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>>51668092
wanting to make a Tzaangor Shamen that resembles this, I know I'm getting the bird head from elsewhere for sure, possibly a griff hound or an eagle kit of sorts

>>51668141
From Los Angeles is my guess.

>>51668141

It's a subset of Stormcasts, I know at least Prosecutors have it. I guess GW added in case they want to do anything with it in the future.

>>51668141
Fast Attack Stormcast.

>>51667621
>>51667829

They're already named, actually. Brycha and Bracha.

As for the enemy, I haven't decided yet. I was thinking Ogres because that's what my friend used to play in fantasy, but Chaos is also very thematic.

>>51667704

Actually, the idea originally popped into my head thinking about a campaign that likely won't happen. The main quest they have would be collecting splinters, which I'm imagining wouldn't be literal splinters. Magic items and stuff.

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Played my first AoS game in over a year with my new Stormcast. Just a small pick-up game with a friend.

My army:
>Lord-Celestant on Dracoth
>5 Liberators
>5 Judicators

His army
>Slaughterpriest
>5 Blood Warriors
>3 Skullcrushers

I won with him being wiped to the last man, although I only had my Lord-Celestant (2 wounds), 2 Liberators, and 1 Judicator standing. It was really fun.

When do gryph riding fellows release?

>>51669660
Once gryph hounds are finished being oiled.

>>51669660
Pre-orders are tomorrow along with the scout guys and the battletome, so release next weekend.

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>>51669667
>>51669666
I mean this magnificent bastard

Though I will be buying Gryph-Puppers

>>51669731
He have rules yet?

>>51669402

>that realm of battle board

Fuck, I miss that board. My old shop had one before it closed, and I had the joy of painting it. I would be a dick with my wood elves using that hill your Dracoth is on, and often time we'd make the big plateau in the middle, which was a favorite for the shop.

That was back during 7th and early 8th was when they closed. Damn shame. Now, several years later, a new shop opened, but in the year I've been coming here, I've played 3 games, all of which were 40k. It's a shame because the owner did get a modular board, though its the Imperial Sector. I've yet to paint it, but watching Duncan's video has inspired me at least.

>>51669402
Cool, bro. Once you get to about 1000 points, then things get more fun and dynamic. Have you tried any of the battleplans in the GHB?

Right now work on expanding your army. The new GHB is slated to come out sometime in the summer, so hold off on buying it if you havent already. But it is only $25 and handy resource, so it's up2u.

>>51669666
forcing a meme

>>51669739
Yeah, this store has been around for I want to say four or five years, and it's been here this whole time. We have a second table also, and both sometimes are switched out for desert, forest, or Imperial city terrain. They've served us well.

>>51669744
Thanks. I think I have about a thousand points right now, maybe a smidgen over (starter box plus Judicators and Decimators), but we went with a small informal game because we only had about an hour before the store closed.

Haven't tried any Battleplans from the GHB yet. I did do one from one of the Realmgate Wars books during the Summer campaign (only game I played that year), but that's it.

I know that using Battleplans are the ideal/recommended way to play AoS, though, so I aim to use one in my next game, or at least after I get used to playing again.

>>51669731
Yes, pre-order tomorrow.

>>51669737
Doesn't seem like it, but it may come with the pre-orders on the site tomorrow. I don't know if that's the standard or not, though.

>>51669763
But gryph-hounds like being oiled?!!!???

>>51669883
Really?

New Zealand just has a bunch of fucking dragons in addition to the Gryphhounds

>>51669763
Stop forcing the "oiling up your gryph's is a forced meme" meme. You are literally the only one doing it.

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>Minos Ironwill was right
Hey square-base stormcast guy, you were ahead of your time apparently. Those crossbow wielding leaping guys make perfect vanguard-hunters.

>>51665479

I love this piece because I never thought I'd ever see artwork of Stormcast next to normal humans. This is my shit.

More Freeguild shit.

Is there ANY Freeguild fluff at all besides the City of Secrets book? Any lore??

Any Duardin lore besides Fyreslayers?

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>>51665904

Depends how ya paint em man. I hated the look of the bloodbound so I made my own scheme. I'd say give em more darker colors and make them look like of like John Blanche or Frank Frazetta shit.

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>>51665479
This piece is my personal favorite. Forgeworld was at the LVO and they were selling prints of various warhammer artwork. I happily picked this up.

I think this shows the character of the stormcast eternals very well. People call them soulless and golems, but I see extreme heroism behind a mask. The pose and everything speaks volumes that he still fights on even against an intimidating foe. I just like it.

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>>51670255

This is my first painted set of models in a decade after returning to the hobby pls be gentle

>>51670268
>>51665479

I really hope that all the artwork goes in this direction. The SUPER cartoony art is ok in small doses but for the most part is hard to look at. It looks super cheap.

Where's Blanche and Adrian Smith?

>>51665479
>>51670268
Seems like some of the best AoS artwork has the Celestial Knights in them. At least as far as Stormcast art goes.

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>>51670293

Shit, that is an image for ants

Going to start a slaves to darkness army, in the starter box, am i better off going with a gorebeast or regular horse chariot?

>>51670333
better of put the 2 magnet you need to freely switch between those 2

>autistic cuck 40k fanboi made the 40k general have no title
Jesus christ are these faggots the most autustic on 4chan

>>51670373
No, (You) are.
Now go back to your containment thread.

>>51670395
>implying im from there.
Point is the thread cant be found so the 40k bois make more threads.

>>51670420
Ok. So why are you talking about it here? This is not a meta thread.

>>51670435
Shut up you slit faced smart ass.

>>51670348
never really done that before, but I do have magnets. Ill have to try that out. Any tips for a Slave to Darkness army? I wanna go for a purely undivided list. To make the army good on its own without needing to dedicate. I plan on picking up spawn and a daemon prince for the chaos lord, along with some skin wolves.

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>>51670456

>>51670456
>>51670420
>>51670373
>Jesus christ are these faggots the most autustic on 4chan
Why prove yourself wrong?

>>51670477
or am i better off getting the lords/sorcerer on mounts? I like the idea of the on foot chaos lord potentially upgrading into a prince, or devolving and becoming spawn. I plan on having hordes of warriors, with some having great weapons.

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>>51665403

Will we ever see radical scratchbuilt buildings and boats and such ever again or are we forever trapped in a hurricane of plastic terrain?

>>51670532
When you start making them, anon.

Be the change you want to see.

>>51670532
Why do this when you can buy awesome shit from tabletop world ?

>>51670532
>>51671089

The people who want to make terrain will continue to make terrain

The people who only made terrain because they had to can now purchase it

>>51670319
The cold metal works good in conjunction with other warm color stuff, that's probably why.

There's nothing stopping me from using the Forest Folk ability to teleport to a Wyldwood, Tree singing the woods towards an enemy, and then charging them in the charge phase, right?

>>51671245
your opponent dispelling the tree singing?

>>51671294

Ok. Just making sure that it was fine. The FF can't move in the move, but they can still charge?

>>51670030
Just strap a jump pack on those guys and you'd have a sanguinary guard.

>>51670030
>Those models

I think I can just use my generic space marines as proxies

>>51671637
You'd need to use Space Wolves if you want to keep the pelts.

>>51671659
They are pretty sweet

>>51665403
>tomb king battletome when edition

never. the models are out of print, they aren't coming back, GW moved on to new creative opportunities.

The recent points raises to make them uncompetitive were a not so subtle showing you the door, or encouraging you to buy a supported army.

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>>51671637
no, your generic SM are manlets even conpare to unarmored guardsmen, Stormcasts literraly dwarf then as they are the size true scale space marines should have.

>>51666514
Fucking lol, they didn't even wait for the new book to nerf them? Couldn't give TK players just a little while longer to have fun?

No, I don't play TK.

>>51672085
Is your dude melting?

>>51672094
Maybe if they didnt brag about being able to curbstomp everything...

>>51671915
Where can I find these points costs raises?

>>51672178
This.
A year of complete shitpost everywhere from TK player.
Good riddance.

>>51672220
official warhammer community website, and the previous thread

>>51672223
Exactly where did they shitpost? I've barely seen any fucking TK players even post here and I lurk almost every AoS thread.

I really think a few people were shit heads and you all got this idea that TK players are toxic bragging faggots.

>>51672223
>This.A year of complete shitpost everywhere from TK player.Good riddance.

it didn't help that a TK army walked away the winner of the UK grand tournament.

>>51672246

I hope that someone somewhere is regretting ever squatting them because I'm bitter.

I couldn't afford them while they were available, and now that I can, they're gone.

>>51672236
Here in this thread.
Christmas and around that, for example, was hell because of tomb king shitpost.

This and our regular tomb king shitposter that win so casually against warrior brotherhood and Stonehorne spam and stormfiend list and hurricanum spam and and and...

You clearly dont lurk here.

>>51672260
So ? GW know youll use he money to buy another army anyway.
So your money still belong to GW in the end.

>>51672277

Will I? I have plenty of stuff to do with shit leftover from my fantasy days.

>>51671915
top armies are likely getting points increases merely to shift the meta. tomb kings were obviously a top army.

>>51672260
Mantic stuff is a pretty good placeholder for TK.

Of course that's depending on how uppity your locals are about non-GW stuff.

>>51672270
>Here in this thread.

>>51666069
>>51666338
>>51667470

You mean these? This is what makes you people so butthurt? One person asking for list advice, one person who most likely doesn't play TK stating how powerful the Necrosphinx is and the last just posting a goofy picture?

Man... Those faggot TK players I tell you what!

>>51672334
No... please try to read.

>This and our regular tomb king shitposter that win so casually against warrior brotherhood and Stonehorne spam and stormfiend list and hurricanum spam and and and...

>>51672334
not him but we do have regular tombking shitposter on the /aosg/
Tga and dakka are even worse.

>>51672331

>mantic

I disagree because there are no snake monsters.

What is available looks... Eh... Ok? I'm not particularly thrilled about them.

>>51672334
Most people looks very happy that TK are nerfed into oblivion tho...

>>51620703
>>51620741

Even this future TK player is happy >>51621663

Hmm the vanguard hunters seem to be in a weird place. I'm torn now between getting judicators or these guys.

Ideas? I'm thinking I'll need judicators anyways, so I'll get the 10 model new box, and then the hunters much much later if I feel like I need some mobility.

FWIW I only have the starter set + storm of sigmar box worth of stormcasts.

>>51672509
>Ideas?
My idea is to not field them unless they are somehow 120points per 10 or part of a strong battalion like judicators.

>>51672509
they don't fill the same battlefield role. Let me just put it this way: nobody will be taking the hunters because of their shooting.

People will take them because they can enter any board edge within a decent distance from an enemy. Their job is to harass enemy backline guns and wizards. Judicators are still needed for that ranged fire support

Death best Alliance.

>>51672620

I'd like to play spoopy ghosts but they're so horridly limited by models.

>>51672596
>>51672607

Got it. Judicators and paladins then.

>>51672607
but most battalion already deepstrike without scaterring.
And when you take that (mandatory) battalion theres literally no point left.

>>51672607
>Their job is to harass enemy backline guns and wizards.

Except they'll be shot on sight the turn they come in if they do that vs any serious gunline, and you dont need them against a weak gunline anyway.

Master of all trade = terrible in competitive environment.

>>51672660

They can run and shoot. Does that help in any way? I feel like prosecutors do a better job at harassing enemies, but I'm not sure, don't have much games with those dudes yet.

>>51665414

Depends on their cost, but I could use a unit. Being able to come in 6" off any board edge before running and shooting is alright and their melee is nearly the same as liberators.

If they're <160 per 5, I'll think about it

If they're the same as liberators, we've got a viable unit

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>>51672669
yeah, prosecutor with trident already do this better. that's why it will really depend of how many points.


IF (and thats a big IF) They are heap enough, i can see them replace the liberators instead of judicators, to have all all shooty list of some kind.

They can also somewhat work if the rumor of Judi and Libe being 10 minimum now is true and this guys can come in 5's for cheap.
This could make Extremis Chamber great again, as the only reason they do not dominate is the slow melee unit battelline that do nothing in the back while your extremis chamber get shot at if they wait or outnumbered if they charge.
Having cheap battline in the hunters that can teleport like that and a drop in point for a vexillor, could really make the Extremis a strong choice.

>>51666514
Not FAQ, it's GH2.0

>>51672660
If they murder a warmachine crew by shooting they've probably already made their points back, anything else they do will be a bonus.
And they are still a bunch of slightly better chaos warriors hanging out in the enemy's backline. While not amazingly durable, they'll still need some actual effort to be removed.
If they are battleline they're pretty reasonable, I feel. Very focused, but not without merit.

>>51666763
Swap the 40 to spears

>>51672840
>If they murder a warmachine crew by shooting they've probably already made their points back, anything else they do will be a bonus.

But anon, realistically speaking, either you face 6 Deathskreiker of doom in a corner and you cant ever hope to approach them because of the gunline protecting them,

or there is 1 warmachine that get shot to death by your deepstriking judicator with crossbow that can spawn just in front of the crew anyway.
Warmachiens were never a problem for stormcasts.
Even prosecutor can deal with them.

>>51672791
Outside of certain battalions Prosecutors can't pop out behind the enemy though. The direct threat they can impose on support units is fairly significant.
But, yeah, the low cost of Prosecutors is pretty compelling and even then I barely ever use them.

>>51672660
they target crew or weak wizards with their shots. Then they charge. Note they can come in within 7" instead of the usual 9", so that makes them a little better with charging.

Theyre not super good, but they were designed for a purpose

>>51672893
>Even prosecutor can deal with them.

And then they can still be very useful with there great range and become late game objective takers

>>51672893
True enough, I guess. Personally I more often experience a middleground with like two cannons and a mortar or something, but that's only anecdotal evidence.
Honestly, I just like not being locked into battalions and it probably shows.

>>51672894
>>51672904


But nobody is going to let a nice hole behind its wizard if he clearly see you got hunters in the list... and actual scary wizard are either 14 wounds or flying so fast you wont touche them with a 9" range anyway... or both.
A lone wizard is easily dealt with by a normal warrior brotherhood and auto mortal wounds from paladins,, or judicators shots.

They just don't feel any gap, except a crucial one in an extremis based force.
At least that's what i see on paper.

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>>51670030
While I appreciate the sentiment, I feel these guys would look way out of place next to the regular Vanguard Hunters. Not to mention I only have three of them as opposed to the MIN of five.
Maybe I should make them into a basis for a Hinterlands warband...

>>51672947
Maybe massing them like 30 in a list of cavalry heavy force ?
You get all the battleline as near teleporting guys and can have a Stardrake or Aquilor.
That's basically a warrior brotherhood without the bataillon.

Pretty sure GW will come with a nice battalion anyway, but yeah, they dont look THAT good with the amount of info we have right now.

>>51672947
Like I said, they're not super good. But I like a unit that has a quasi-deep strike without any battalion restrictions. Just having them in a list can force your opponent to perhaps adopt a most castling strategy, which is generally not good for objective games. Even if they come in nowhere near the squishy casters or gun crews, they are there in the enemy's backline and gives them something to think about for a few turns.

>>51672963
Maybe you should make more, huh! Get on it!

Seriously though I like the look of those guys. Did you use prosecutor bodies?

>>51672968
Yeah more i think about it and more they become a Liberator alternative.

>>51673006
Nah I don't think of them as a liberator alternative, particularly because i doubt they will have the battleline trait. Also liberators are slightly more survivable. That reroll saves of 1 doesn't seem like much, but it's saved plenty. Also liberators I imagine will still be cheaper.

I'm predicting these guys may be 120 to 140 points for 5, more expensive than liberaotrs, but cheaper than judicators

>>51673021
+1 Bravery, though. I mean, it's not much, but it is there.

>>51672622 here again.

Now I'm actually thinking about it

How is a ghost army? Is it actually playable with how few models there are? I'm not really interested in zombies or skeletons, but I like the idea of a bunch of ghosts.

>>51672986
Yeah, some guy at the store bought a box of Prosecutors, clipped out the wings for some conversion and tossed the rest of the blisters in the trash.

>>51673164
haha what a waste

Anyway, search bits sites for starter set prosecutors, that's really the best deal for them.

>>51673163
Nighthaunt are imo the only theme in death worth taking it. Unfortunately.

>>51673189

How so?

Did you mean NOT worth taking?

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>>51672893
SAY THAT TO MY FACE FUCKER

>>51673249
No. I mean worth taking it.
Spooks are cool and have comfortable amount of units. Look at Deathwalkers. Zombies, Corpse Cart und Zombie Wolves. They HAVE synergy tho but I played them and they are boring as fuck.
Spooks are fun. Have some abilities to trigger like the Banshee scream.
And Mystic Shield is your biggest friend. By theme army I don't mean necessarily allegiance.
They aren't the most powerful, yes. But anyone who wants to play the most powerful army doesn't play Death...

>>51673313

Oh nice. Sounds neat.

However,

>By theme army I don't mean necessarily allegiance

Which ruins the whole thing because spirits aren't battle line then.

>>51672094

No, they are waiting for the new book, but apparently some people ara analphabet for titles.

>>51673363
>Which ruins the whole thing because spirits aren't battle line then.
That is right. You would need generic battlelines.
But do you really want to miss out mystic shield and bat swarms?

>>51673439

The real question is: do I really want to buy a bunch of models I have no desire to use/paint like zombies and skeletons?

>>51673522
I don't know what do you mostly play against.
If it's an upper tier army it could be very frustrating to play Nighthaunt only.

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Anyone identify the colours/process used to get this effect? 4 blues and fenrisian fine highlight maybe?

One question, has anyone got their hands on the novel: Nagash Undying King? I'd love to read that novel but it's a bit hard for me to go to Nottingham and get it, since, you know, it's half a globe away and the fuckers of Gee-dubs only sell it at warhammer world.

>>51673625
I'm just gonna take a stab at it.

Dark Blue
Nuln Oil
Pick out edges with a medium blue color
Another edge highlight of a light blue
Then pick out some spots with white

I think people need to stop judging Hunters so hardly.

They're battle-line who can poop out 20 shots at 9 range then deal 20 attacks up close.

They're there to give a decent fire support base and probably better than libs for a more shooty Stormcast army.

>>51669402
nice paint on the Lord Celestant

>>51673522
Just put a few spookers on single bases and BAM, skeletons.

or paint skeletons as skeleton ghosts.

>>51674087
- We don't know if they're battleline.
- Five guys make ten shots/attacks, not twenty.
- With range 9" they're not going to be much of a firebase for anything.
That said, I like them. They are solid, if situational.

>>51674164
I think people understimate how useful Run n gun is in AoS.

These guys will be like Doomguy blasting apart shit targets unless your opponent forces them to play along.

>>51670331
helluva lot better than how mine turned out. looks good mate

>>51672509
Start with Judicators and bows. dump those stupid crossbows off a cliff.

>>51672791
>>yeah, prosecutor with trident already do this better. that's why it will really depend of how many points.

Spear/Trident Prosecutors cost only 80, so good luck getting hunters to compete.

>>51674265
I know. 80 for what you get is crazy.

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>>51666865
What about this then?
Allegiance: Death

Leaders
Arkhan The Black Mortarch of Sacrament (340)
- General
Necromancer (120)
- Mount: Nightmare
- Artefact: Cursed Book

Battleline
10 x Skeleton Warriors (80)
- Ancient Blades
10 x Skeleton Warriors (80)
- Ancient Blades

Units

Total: 620/1000
380 points for summoning
I can summon:
-20 Skellies+20 Skellies + 10 Zombies
-20 Skellies+20 Skellies + 5 Zombie Doggos
-Zombie Dragon+10 Zombies
-Zombie Dragon+ 5 Zombie Doggos
-2 Morghasts+3 Spook Hosts
-2 Morghasts+ 20 Zombies
-2 Morghast+ 10 Zombie Doggos

Wich trait should i use? Red Fury makes Arkhan into a blender, even more with Dance Macabre while Ruler of the Night gives extra survivability if i want to summon more spookybones.
Are there any other good summoning options?
Also does Arkhan's command ability affect the summon range too?

I've found something interesting in february's white dwarf.

In ask grombrindal some bloke asks about some shit regarding wordbearers. The answer concludes with "suit your skyship".

Is this me jumping at shadows or these guys are foreshadowing an upcoming units/theme, since he's a duardin??

So here's our daily reminder that the morons from 9th age are still bitching.

http://www.the-ninth-age.com/index.php?thread/7016-what-would-it-take-for-you-to-play-age-of-sigmar/&pageNo=17

Anyone wanna help that brave hero from those faggits?

>>51674685
Oh yeah 9th exists. That's a thing i forgot about.

At least all the tomb-kuck exiles can fuck off to that shit

>>51674685
Why? Let them stew in their bitterness. That's punishment enough.

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>>51674225

Thanks man. Not sure what to get next. Either picking up some Freeguild (as I still have an Empire army) or more Khorne dudes.

Regardless if I ever get to play again I wanna paint models lol.

Btw anyone play any siege battles?

>>51674685

jesus, that's sad.

You know what the most annoying is?

"Stormcasts are le sigmarines lol! xD" like wow, 40k parodies fantasy for over two decades, fantasy gets superhuman demigods and suddenly everyone explodes.

Also "the world was destroyed everything sucks now" you still have 8 editions, 3 roleplaying games, Mordheim, a computer game, and hundreds of novels. Why are you crying? This dude on a Mordheim group on facebook was raging over this after I said the above.

Was no one ever taught to live and let live?

>>51674295
Traits don't apply to named characters.

>>51675024
Can you add me to that mordheim group? May have an inkling of introducing the hinterlands. They may like it.

>>51675057

Seeing as a lot of people were posting models with round bases I asked the group what the chances of that Mordheim gets remade for AoS, like I feel the city would be right at home having been teleported there idk magic shite.

The first response was to hinterlands, which I think is fantastic btw. Also if you haven't, I totes rec joining the Dark Age of Sigmar group, it's basically AoS Inquisimunda complete with Blanche.

Then the next post was the asshole I mentioned.

Why are grognards such babbies.

>>51674194
They can run and shoot but that increases their threat range from 15 to 15+D6. Given that they can teleport behind enemy lines, run+shoot isnt a big deal.

I think they are really bad so far but we don't know enough yet. We havent seen the entire battletome yet so we dont know what synergies they have with other units, what battalions they fit into, or even how much they cost.

Really curious how stormcast prayers will work.

Can you pick more than one per Priest, or is it like a spell lore?

Can you use the prayer on your warscroll in addition to any prayers you pick?

Gotta pick up a Lord Veritant for now, but hopefully they put out another Priest soon

>>51675097
>>51675024
>>51674685
Tell me exactly what bitching about people bitching adds to this thread?

Fuck off, you're no better than them.

>>51675186
You're missing my point (which I wasn't making it directly). My point was to see whether anyone would go and join the debate on the AoS side, since that poor guy went in alone. Which I think it may be a nice gesture as a community to have people help in this kind of discussions.

>>51675144
They might pair well with skyborne slayers since they would be able to deploy close by.

>>51675233
I don't get why people run Skyborne Slayers instead of Warrior Brotherhood. It's strictly worse imo

Also if you need more models just add more dudes to your units in the battalion.

>>51674751
>has army
>still has rules

>>51670314

While I don't entirely care for it myself, in a way the cartoony art isn't entirely unlike what GW used to do where they'd have art in the same book done by artists with different styles.

>>51670314

Blanche has done concept work for AoS, but I'm not sure of anything beyond that. He could be in the position where he is free to do whatever he wants and thus sticks with 40k, though I can't recall a new piece from him for it in quite some time.

>>51672085
Why is he on top of a Rice Crispy cake?

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Help me out here anons. For weeks now, this one guy has been wrecking everyone at our store. He runs pic related and I have no idea how to deal with it. I am a Bloodbound player, but I have seen it wreck nurgle, ghouls and elves.

>>51675144
Are you kidding. Run and gun is more useful for backing fights as it allows you to run Ramsholt over the back line and the link up with your main push

>>51675171
It'd be strange if the SC prayers were in addition to the standard prayers.
And, really, the Lord-Veritant's prayer is super-situational anyway, you'd be foolish not to take Bless Weapons, Divine Light or God-King's Aspect on him. Given his stats, he want's to be in the thick of it anyway, so may as well give him a paladin retuine and make the most of it.
As for the Lord-Relictor... I guess he is cheap enough to bring along as a Divine Light caddy for a gunline.
The big question is if prayers will be affected by the Rule of One in the GHB.

>>51675386
What scenarios do you normally play?

Have you considered asking him to maybe use a different list if nobody can play against that one?

>>51675566
What the fuck are you talking about

Run and gun is not some magical super ability that gives you an enormous tactical advantage, its just essentially extended threat range.

It's actually worse than having an extra D6" range, since you cant charge after running.

>>51675625
They are not spells, so in the current edition of the GHB you can use the same prayer more than once.

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>>51675386
>I am a Bloodbound player
There's your problem. Bloodbound are garbage.

>>51675743
Yeah, that's why I mentioned it. It seems like an oversight, especially considering how powerful some of those prayers are.
I mean, I wouldn't complain if they didn't restrict them, but realistically it'll need adjusting. We're already skirting the whole issue with the Lord-Castellant's stacking superior Mystic Shield-equivalent that auto-casts.

>>51675386
>>51675386
Depends on what you have, really.
In general:
- Wrathmongers to make him beat himself to death
- Skarbrand.
- Blob of Doom, i.e. buff heroes nestled in a few max units of Bloodreavers. Wouldn't work normally, will be very nasty against that list.
But BB have it rough in general.

>>51675332
because if you paint it gray and put on some dry brush it will look like stones.
crazy I know

>>51675278
>has fanbase of powergaming faggots
>no incentive for them to play Tks after GH2 hits.

At least only the fluff-gamers will remain and rebuild the TK's tarnished rep.

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my google foo is failing me because I can not find the list of winning lists for the UK grand tournament.

Can someone be a friend and point me to the link?

Thanks!

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Hey /asog/,
I need your help.

Did GW change the name of Gnoblars, or is there another reason I can't find them anymore?
Did they stop selling them?

>>51676257
Okay for whatever godforsaken reason they are called Grots now.
It's not like Gnoblar wasn't trademarkable before is it?
Fucking bullshit, wasting my time looking for this shit.

>>51676257
They're just called grots nowadays, but someone making the website fucked up so they don't show on the storefront:

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-EU/Ogre-Kingdoms-Gnoblar-Fighters

>>51676201
That's why I played, love of mummies

>>51676334
thanks, I just found it myself.

I don't really get the sorting in the store.
They got tags for everything else, why not for races?
I mean Ogres have three different factions or something. It's a pain in the ass to deal with.

Sorry for the ranting, just annoyed by this.

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>already sold out
God fucking damnit!

>>51676378
Don't be, you'll find few disagree with you. The mini-army sorting system is a mess that requires anyone new to have a grand alliance book next to them to know where what goes if they don't want to trial and error everything.

>>51676332

Grots is the AoS name for goblins, which Gnoblars are.

>>51676665
>God fucking damnit!

where you live? my America site says not even available yet for pre-order.

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>>51676934
Germany.

>dont get my staff discount on special edition book

RRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>51677075
Be glad you get it at all.

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I was wandering thru GeeDubs page and I just felt a big urge to collect ogres. Not those winter beasty ones, just regular footsloging hulks.

1x Butcher
6x Leadbelchers (Gutbusters battleline)
6x Leadbelchers (Gutbusters battleline)
3x Ironguts
1000/1000
or
1x Tyrant
6x Leadbelchers (Gutbusters battleline)
6x Leadbelchers (Gutbusters battleline)
20x Grots
20x Grots
1000/1000

1x Tyrant
1x Butcher
9x Leadbelchers (Gutbusters battleline)
9x Leadblechers (Gutbusters battleline)
9x Ogors (Battleline)
20x Grots
1x Grot Scraplauncha
1x Grot Scraplauncha
2000/2000

Does it looks like a good roster?
also, I want pic rel to be my Tyrant hero, it's fokken 10/10 model

>>51676934

I'm in America and it says sold out here too bro

>>51676257
This will never be a meme

>>51677379
asking for help?

>>51675332
you are seriously not aware that cork is one of the basics of warhammer basing ?

>>51677182
first list is the only one that looks like you will not be raped. so go for that

>>51677241
>I'm in America and it says sold out here too bro

between my post here >>51676934

and your post they went up for sale and sold out.

must have been available for less than an hour maybe 30 minutes.

>>51677522
uhm, then how do I expand to 2k list? Do i have to stick to that big stonehorn things form beastclaw riders? Cos they'd break my gutbusters allegance and I'd have to fill battleline with regular ogres.

Thoughts?

meta is semi fluffy no cheese

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>>51677636


forgot pic

>>51677657

also forgot lord of war for the herald and rend axes for the reavers

>>51675386
>>51675386
If only the steelburnerpack had a cost you could crush this like, total hard counter.

Extremis chamber or paladins have enough damage to not care about the free models he spawn back every turn.

The usual shartor and friend or scaarac can deal with them easily too.
Same for a Magma dragon or kunnin rukk.

They also get hardcountered by tzeentch Skyfires as the bloodknight will NEVER be able to charge the skyfires.

Dont play seraphon but im pretty sure they have some fuckery against that

>>51677578

Well they did say there were only 300 available, granted they don't say whether that is 300 in total or 300 for every region. On top of that this honestly feels better priced in comparison to the previous special editions they'd do where you were paying $150 for the book, the case, some objectives, and maybe cards.

>>51677657
>>51677636
>20 bloodwarriros
>bloodmaster general
You are a funny guy, anon.

Battletome: Stormcast Eternals in pre-order. What is it? Didn't they already had one? Or two for that matter? Just another book for Stormcast players to buy? New edition? Just merging old stuff?

>>51677628
Not him but make this 1k list a reality first then look how you do with your local meta. the 2k list will wirtes itself.

>>51677704

bloodletters causing mortal wounds on hits of 4+
with 3 attacks each...

whats wronmg with 20 bloodwarriors though?

>>51677727
Why dont you read the fucking description on the gw website of the item you try to troll about.
It MAY totally answer you troll.

>>51677727
They are merging all the past SC books into one book with addition to the rules and fluff of the new release.

>>51677691
>Steel Burner Battalion, if only it had points
This may as well go onto the bingo by this point.
We all know that it won't be changed.
Hoestly, I'm already pretty happy with the ~20% point reduction we get. In an ideal world we'd also get a non-hero Magmadroth rider, but I guess that's not in the cards, either.

>>51677740
Not him, but it always boils down to range with blobs. Blood Warriors are large but have 1" range, meaning you'll rarely get the majority of the unit into combat. Split them in two to get more out of them.

>>51677182
Never take Gnoblars in units of 20. 40 or even 60 could be good with the Tyrant's combat ability. I'm also not sure if Leadbelchers are better choice than standard ogors in such a huge numbers. I'd rather get more Ogors, especially in case you want to play mixed Destruction to add some nice Beastclaw monsters to your Ogres.

>>51677766
Why would it go to the bingo ? at least 40 interesting bataillon have no pointcost in godbeast and all gates

>>51677880
>Why would it go to the bingo ?
It gets asked *a lot*.

>at least 40 interesting bataillon have no pointcost in godbeast and all gates
Supposedly the stuff in the campaign books will never get point costs as it represents historical regiements, exception situations and unique stuff; there was a statement about that when GHB was released last year, though I don't know how true that was.

>>51677830
thing is that I don't really want to add any other destro things, but having a possibility to expand would be good. And thanks for tip with gnoblars, 40 (or 47) fearless grots sounds like a plan.

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No changes to the new gryphounds bar the Alpha adding a attack. MIN unit is probably 3 doggos as they get the Alpha at that size.

How does this work with Loayal Companion? Does the Alpha make 4 attacks as well when near a Lord-Castellant?

>>51678020
>(or 47)
The 47 cost the same as 60.

Honestly you pout yourself in a niche that doesn't go into more than 1k points.
As that list as very few chances to ever become real anyway, you should stick to 1k for the sake of it.

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>>51678043
When do we finally get the point for interesting stuff ie. chocobo chicken riders and Megaboltstormofdeath?

>>51678043
nobody care about casual-tier gryph hounds... Fucking GW pushing the shitty part of the release first to get twice the money from the weak.

>>51678103
Get fucked. Everybody loves the cute gryph-hounds. People have been clamoring for a box of them ever since the Lord-Castellant was released.

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Some of my Bloodbound I've been working on. Didn't like the red colour scheme do I made it more metal.

>>51665759
Are you dumb? Their ability allows them to either force the opponent to change his entire deployment strategy or to shoot and charge his precious war machines turn 1.
They're exactly the same as a Liberator in melee while having the exact same crossbow as a Judicator only with 3" lower range.

If these are Battleline, you will see these in every list, as, unlike Liberators, these guys don't slow a cavalry list down at all. In fact, thanks to them being able to take down war machines fast, they are great at making sure nothing ever punches through your Fulminators' 2+ rerollable save.

>>51678121
>2 Furryfags on 4 chan
>Everybody

Choose one.

>>51678172
You are too late to the party dude.
I'll just let you slowly scroll down.

>>51678129
like the alternate color scheme, your bases are really cool, how'd you do them? Pop over to /wip/, they will appreciate also

>>51678129
Have you washed all the metal yet? It seems really bright, sharp, and chunky.
Could just be from the flash.

>>51678172
>They're exactly the same as a Liberator in melee
Except they're strictly worse.

Liberators get special weapons, can either reroll hit1 or save1, and +1 to hit against units with 5 or more wounds.

Liberators are actually decent in melee.

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>>51678265
Here are some of the bases before painting. I use crafting foam which I cut into shapes (different ones depending on different units) and glue to the base, then add sand and stones and bits of cork.

And I'll be sure to drop in /wip/ soon when I continue on my current unit.

>>51678332
And part of a bataillon that makes them autodeepstrike with no scatter and in front of the unit they could counter the most.
And they are battlelines.
It's been discussed already but the guy is still scrolling throught the thread.

>>51678332
I'm going to point out, though, that liberators won't make shooting attacks. Hunters will basically make twice the number of attacks a liberator squad does, and half of them will be done without retaliation..

>>51678359
And we don't know whether hunters won't be able to be battleline, or that they'll have a decent batallion.

So first let's look the units on the vacuum, whenever we get the rest of the data, we will make the hollistic judgement.

>>51678315
It's mostly the camera and over lighting. After spraying it with leadbelcher the whole armour gets a Nuln Oil wash to darken it down, and then I layer Runefang Steel on the raised areas. I'll try to take a better shot next time.

>>51678172
>the exact same crossbow as a Judicator only with 3" lower range.
They don't get bonus attacks if they don't move.
They don't get special weapons.

Stop.

>>51678377
2 shots each at 3+/4+ with no rend isn't very impressive. With 11 attacks in a squad of 5 you'll get 3-4 wounds on average, which gets reduced by armor saves.

>>51678397
I agree with this.

It's fine to look at them objectively right now because it will give us a baseline to judge their worth once battalions and unit synergies are introduced.

>>51678332
Special weapons I'll grant you, but Liberators don't have pistols with the same profile as their melee weapons, giving the Hunters effectively 1.5 times the attack volume of liberators.
And let's not kid ourselves, nobody ever took dual weapons. It's shield or bust.
On top of that, Hunters get +1 Bravery which also helps to keep casualities down.

Which kit has bird heads the right size to replace seeker heads, I wanna make me some evil chicken riders

>>51678121
This. I remember people clamoring for them from the lord-castellant, and especially when one came in silver tower. It's been requested plenty.

>>51675635
Roll for matched play scenarios. Wouldn't want to do that, I do somewhat relish the challenge.

>>51675757
Anon please, don't say things that are true.

>>51675977
Sadly I went and built Skullreapers, even having extra from a Bloodstoker doesn't save me against those hideous saves on the Blood Knights. I need rend, rend and more rend it seems. It just so hard to charge them unless I am using cavalry as well. I had a grand plan to use a six man unit of Skullcrushers with glaives, but they failed their charge and were ripped apart by all 10 Blood Knights.

>>51678488
>And let's not kid ourselves, nobody ever took dual weapons
Dual weapons are common in lightning strike lists for competitive play. They combo well with hit buffs like Lord Celestants command ability, their own ability that adds +1 hit against, and the Celestial Hurricanum.

Shields are good when you can get bonuses to your save, like Mystic Shield, cover, or the Lord Castellants ability.

They're both useful options. It depends how you want to use the unit. To say "nobody ever took dual weapons" is just false.

I think it's safe to say that we can't completely judge the vanguard hunters yet until we get their points and battlefield role. And even then I don't think we can until we see if any of the battalions in the new book include them.

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Why is Death neglected so much?

>>51678743
The story hasn't really centered around them yet. When I think the story gets to dethroning nagash, I think we will see more death updates.

>>51678773
>dethroning nagash
And what, Mannlet von Carstein taking over?

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>>51678824
There's only one that can dethrone Nagash.
Let me dream, damn it.

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>>51678867
Well, Arkhan and Neferata are around as well. So is Ushoran. Then probably Abhorash and W'soran. Probably Vlad as well.
There would be quite a few pretenders if Nagash were to fall.

>>51678824
It's just a story prediction I have. With nagash weakening due to sigmar shenanigans, his power begins to weaken. This causes others to try to step in to become the new lord of the dead. Could be anyone like manfied or settra

I predict the next big summer campaign will be about it. When you play a game, you choose which side you are fighting for. Even sigmar recognizes there needs to be a lord of the dead, and the chaos gods will want one on the throne that they can manipulate or fight. All to find out who will be the next lord of the dead. Even if nagash gets dethroned, he will still be a powerful liche with his own faction and minions

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>>51678743
pretty much all this is newer than anything in the game. Sure some of it was released during end times but that is still newer than everything else.

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I want to get into AoS, but the lore seems like a complete mess.

That side.

What's the standard amount of points per army players usually go with? 1K? 1.5K?

Thank you.

>>51678940
2k.

The lore isn't a mess, it's just not for everyone. It is currently incomplete, but they were working on it. And it will be constantly evolving. Different from warhammer fantasy.

>>51678940
Depends on the local scene. 1k, 1.5k and 2k are all common, anything else is pretty rare.

>>51678940
>standard amount of points
its good to have on hand a 500, 1000, 1500, and 2000 points lists for pick up games. You never know the other guy has with him.

>>51678921
Abhorash for sure, he's apparently mentioned as having trained the current generation of blood knights.

>>51678940
I don't think it's a mess, on the contrary. Probably because it's not as explored and expanded as other lores, like WFB was or W40k is.

Give it time for more Battletomes to bring in the curse of retcons and Black Library authors to mess with it even more.

I enjoy AoS much more than 40k right now and if they keep 40k mostly how it is now instead of using war scrolls I will probably still continue to like AoS more.
I'm not one of these people that feels like we have to continue to defend AoS from critics. If people want to be ignorant then I don't really need to convince them otherwise.

>>51679015
I'm pretty much in agreement with you there. I find myself dreading playing 40k games, and I am hoping for a lot of change in 8th, if not, it will just become all the more discouraging. AoS still hasn't picked up in my area, and for no good reason. It's mostly "well someone on the internet said", and very few have given it a shot, especially since the GHB. So I try to always have an open invitation to anyone willing to give it a genuine shot, but so far nobody is willing to, and sticks to their broken-game-the-game. It's funny because all my local players remain just as discouraged about the meta and have this extremely anti-competitive culture within it. Which you would think was ideal for AoS, lol.

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>>51678043

If you can bond a gryph hound pack to a Veritant, they'll be pretty fuckin sick

>>51678585

Hunter points cost to viability chart

>= 160 points per 5, very niche, might be okay with battalion but on the same level as hammer prosecutors

160 > X > 100: honestly not a bad choice for some cheap anti repeater crossbow tech. If they're battleline natively they are viable at this point.

100 points per 5: completely viable alternative to liberators without replacing them