Warhammer Fantasy General: THICC Dawi DICC Edition

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First for Araby apologists, Jaffar didn't do nothing

Let's keep the real politics out this time.

What are the new Bretonnian units? I've only seen hippogryph knights.

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Mordheim revival when

>>51662655
That's really it. CA hasn't been too imaginative as far as we know.

I recently read that fan-made 8th edition army book for some ideas for unique units. I like the Merry Men, the Priestesses of Shallya and the Fay Spirits.

What green skins make the best looking slaves for Chaos Dwarves? Wanting to build a little Display AoS army.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tPPLLPZfm4

So what do you guys think?

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>>51663385
>custom maps in campaign

>>51662658
I expect GW to Age of Sigmar it up if they bring it back.

>>51663530
The AoS setting is fucking shit, though.

>>51663557
GW are stupid.

>>51663530
That may be true, but a lot of people like it.

>>51663657
meant for
>>51663557

>>51663530
Doesn't bother me if I can buy nice multipart chaos kits with lots of customizability

>>51662606
Obelix?

>>51663657
Those people have objectively shit taste.

>>51663657
Still, they force out plenty of folks who buy in for nostalgia factor.

No matter what is your opinin on AoS, it would be stupid. I would not buy in for AoS product, despite that I grew indifferent to it over year ago and with announcment of WHFRP being sold again, I frankly don't give a dime about end of WH.

Even despite it was such a rape- death of the Lichemaster and how shitty and degrading it was was one of the last straws for me...

>>51663844
What is it specifically that makes it shit?

>>51663862
Specifically everything.

>>51663854
Another WFRP edition?

>>51663862
Its got more in line with Marvel superheroes and Warcraft than the feel of a realistic world made of high and low powered characters.

>>51664027
Well, if Cubicle Entertainment bought the license from GW for hard cash, they will do something with it, won't they?

>>51664118
I ask because I haven't heard about it. Is there a news article I can read on the matter? I seriously hope it's a 2.5 edition.

>>51663385
I did see some mods popping up in the workshop with custom city maps and the like.
And thank god, because it causes me physical pain to see Talabheim or Middenheim as a generic imperial city.

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>>51664132
Why would a race of viking beserkers caricatures be compelled to worship the god of morbid obesity and shit?

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>dwarf is willing to quietly do five years for an assault on elves and otherwise work within the human legal system
>logic is Dwarvish, but otherwise sound - considers his attack on elves fair, but recognizes that from a human view he had committed a crime

Why are dwarves so bad again? They hold to their own code above all else, but they aren't ignoring others and their ways of doing things.

Elves would probably come in without a word, do whatever, and leave without any word of explanation or any attempt to atone for something humans might consider a crime.

>>51664201
So, killed that dwarf these elves that genuinely wanted to thank him for saving them, just because they are elves?

>>51664197
In order to avoid being plague-raped by morbidly obese demons.

>>51664242
No, he tells them to piss off when the story ends.


Initially he gets to the mine and the Elves just shoot arrows at him until he goes away.

>>51664278
But the elves he killed had nothing to do with the mine.

>>51664305
If he kills enough Elves eventually there will not be enough Elves.


Plus they were Elves, bound to have done something

>>51664305

But they're elves.

>>51664374
>>51664345
>If he kills enough Elves eventually there will not be enough Elves.
That's not a legal reason to kill elves.
>Plus they were Elves
That's not a legal reason to kill elves.
>bound to have done something
That's not a legal reason to kill anyone.

>>51664104
Pretty much this. AoS is the opposite of everything I liked about Warhammer Fantasy. Warhammer Fantasy is a setting inspired by history and mythology, where the average person struggles to survive in a world populated with legendary creatures and infused with corrupting magical energy. AoS is a multiverse comprised of themed battle zones where superhero types engage in flashy combat.

>>51664390
Totally is

>>51664419
>>>memes

>>51664197
Think about it
>Locked in a region without much outside contact
>The morbidly obese version of a race of warrior men that are 90% chads
>Probably all smell like shit
>Probably have disgusting shit fetishes
>Believe they are spreading "gifts" with their shit fetishes
>Probably eat toxic foods like Nurgle Brand Lean Pockets™

They are the neckbeards of Chaos

>>51664432
Its not a meme if Elves are untrustworthy sacks of piss

>>51664197
Worshipers of Nurgle often are those who have ALREADY been struck by plague, abandoned, and accursed. They turn to him as their last resort, desperate and alone, and find acceptance in him. He so fills them with love that they must share it.

Others prostrate themselves before the Fly Lord to cast their foes down with disease. And if that comes at a cost, so be it. That is the way of gods.

Some worship Nurgle, giving him fresh victims to keep disease away from their own people. This profane safety does not tend to last long.

>>51664140
probably just put up PDFs of 1e and 2e books

>>51664305
Dwarfs believe in collective ethnic responsibility.

Just how much varies by dwarf and by hold.

Smarter dwarfs like Thorgrim find ways to both satisfy grudges and not infuriate everyone.

Interestingly, the Ungol people of Kislev has a somewhat similar practice: ALL the kin of a criminal are responsible for their actions.

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>>51664413
TRUTH.

>>51664499
Killing some random elves that had never anything to do with the wrong that was done to an ancestor of him some time ago might do more harm than just not chopping their heads off in a fit.

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Thinking about trying whfb to take a break from aos (I'm getting sick of gw just releasing stormcast crap). What would a good starting nurgle army look like? I own 50 plague bearers, 6 drones, 6 nurglings, two hearalds, and a daemon prince.

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https://youtu.be/4tPPLLPZfm4?t=412

Are naval battles confirmed now?

>>51664738
>I'm getting sick of gw just releasing stormcast crap

So you're picking a system where nothing will ever be released at all?

>>51664834
Just a change of pace for a little while. Just to try something new. Might also try 40k with my daemons too.

>>51664849
Stormcast are jokingly called Sigmarines for a reason.

>>51664849
I'm guessing you'll have better luck playing 8th ed or 9th Age with them.

>>51664849
40k might work better if you've already got round bases. I think your army is actually pretty solid in WFB terms though.

>>51664390
And he accepts that by human law it is illegal, and willingly accepts the human punishment

Even the humans agree that elves are subhuman, five years for killing several? Come on

>>51664901
Might grab a great unclean one, but there's rumours running around of a nurgle update this summer that will have a new great unclean one model.

>>51664918
speaking of round bases, how playable is WFB with round bases?

>>51664413

In other words: you know jackshit on the lore. Not going to say it's good, or that you must like it: but AoS IS inspired in mythology. NORSE mythology, with a bit of Greek One thrown into the mix and a lot of shit stolen from Moorcock.

Plus at worst stormcasts are on the same level with Chaos Warriors, and there's regular hummies fighting there.

But hey, you're free to hate it.

>>51664922
Do we actually have some lore on how the empire deals with other races when it comes to laws and such?

>>51664918
About half my plague bearers are on squares. Does it really make that big a difference?

>>51664996
AoS dropped the history and focused more solely on the mythology.

>>51665123
Which is fine and dandy, and certainly not "Marvel Avengers"

Not everyone's cup of tea but I think we can speak of other subjects rather than grumbling about something that isn't whfb and therefore not important to this thread.

>>51664996
No, I already knew all that about AoS. Reread my post.

>Warhammer Fantasy is a setting inspired by history and mythology
>history and mythology

It's the mixture of historical and mythological elements that makes Warhammer Fantasy appealing to me.

>>51665026
Yeah, they're tolerant of Elves and Dwarfs. There's even Elven districts in some cities. They're still held in suspicion, though. Especially Elves.

>>51664935
You can just use a movement tray to represent the unit size and basically use the models as wound counters

>>51665211
Your post says nothing on the "it's inspired on mythology" part

>>AoS is a multiverse comprised of themed battle zones where superhero types engage in flashy combat

Is not saying it's based on mythology. Now you may wanna re-read YOUR POST.

FUCK. Now let's change subjects. I'd like to make myself a new colour scheme for my empire models. Any tips ideas from your own crop?

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>>51664996
"lol let's call this thing a myth name" is not "inspired by mythology"

>>51665302
Why are you so upset?

I don't need to specify that AoS is inspired by mythology because it's a fantasy setting: almost everything in the fantasy genre owes something to mythology.

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I get that there's gold for the taking in Lustria, and possibly exotic plants and animals. But why didn't humans go in there, realize how dangerous it was, and never go back again? The place is a land of death.

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>>51664201
>another post of dwarf dick sucking

>>51665395
I played a character that went to Lustria and looted as much as he could. Even after he split between him and his crew he was incredibly wealthy. I went into the jungle and came out rich!

Basically it's dangerous but for some the risk is well worth it. Or they have no other legal options.

>>51665395
You aren't familiar with humans lust for greed are you?


People bust themselves to bits looking for El Dorado.

>>51665628
But in the real world, the New World wasn't full of hostile lizardmen, all sorts of poisonous plants and incredibly dangerous animals far beyond what the real world or the rest of the Warhammer world could muster, a coast of vampire-ruled undead sailors, and occasional raiders from the Dark Elves looking for easy pickings from a tired ship's crew.

>>51665739
Real world Europe also didn't have daemon allied Vikings attacking it, hordes of orcs, a province of undead, monsters, ogres, Wood Elves and ratmen living right underneath them.

>>51665739
It didn't but it had rumours of those sort of things and a churn rate of thousands.

People still risked everything, and died in massive numbers to get that free free gold. Guarded only by the harshest conditions known to European man,

How are you lot looking at the Daemon changes in T9A?

Seven Chaos Gods instead of four.

>>51665868
what are the other 2 about then?

>>51665899
Seven deadly sins initially. More gods likely to come, the seven are just the start. Each has a unique Greater Daemon. The existing four themes are being split and shared.

Someone posted the current info on 1d4.
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/The_9th_Age#Daemon_Legions_.28Daemons_Of_Chaos.29_2

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>>51663385
I'm an idiot when it comes to making and ysing mods, but the simple fact that this exists and will be used by talented people to flesh out their world warms me a bit.

with some luck I'll learn to make my dudes' maps for some cinematic scenes

>>51665986
Fucking why?

>>51666086
Distancing themselves from GW legally. I think the extra three are supposed to just be some of the Oldhammer lore that was abandoned like Malice and the Chaos Gods Of Law.

>>51666107
Could've just used the fours horsemen.

>>51666107
Even the Four Horsemen would be better.

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Do you think Total Warhammer is worth it? It's a lot of money to drop.

>>51666130
>>51666135
The idea has not been ruled out as an addition.

They want decentralized Chaos. Daemons invading for a lark because Greed and Envy want to steal the Emperor's golden toilet before Sloth can, instead of according to a timetable for the destruction of the world as written by the guy who's in charge of all the planning.

>>51666192
Yes.

>>51666192
It's twelve dollars on the Humble Monthly right now.

It's good though, insofar as TW games go. Definitely worth twelve dollars.

>>51666279
>They want decentralized Chaos.

Yes that's the fucking problem. Why the fuck do an edition in reaction to AoS if you're gonna do the exact fucking same: use warhammer lore as base for your shit ideas? We and the other anon mentioned the 4 horsemen as a lazy but effective way to retain the big 4 (and only the big 4) not as an "addition".

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>>51666192
It's probably the best videogame based on a warhammer license ever made.

what you have to find out is if you enjoy the total war formula of gameplay and if so whether you do to the point where you want to repeat similar experiences with the DLC factions or be okay with just playing against them with your favorite faction (which I assume is greenskins).

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I made a WFRP Handout.
It's for The Enemy Within, specifically when the players get to Altdorf in Mistake Identity.

I wanted to do some amusing ads like Town Cryer back in the day, but there wasn't really enough space. Maybe it could do with a reverse.

>>51665395
GOOOOOOOOOOOLD!!!!

>>51665986
>>51666107
>>51666279
>>51666359
I'm a little uncomfortable with this. I don't like the T9A team have clearly taken AoS as an opportunity to create their own not-Warhammer Fantasy setting. The "legal issues" explanation only goes so far.

On the other hand, given that Chaos gods are generated and strengthened by the dreams and nightmares of mortals, it does make sense that there would be more than four major Chaos deities.

I would have preferred if they had taken minor Chaos gods (Malal, Hashut, Necoho, Zuvassin) and given them bigger roles, though.

>>51666531
I'd say do a reverse, it's great.

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>>51666531
This is great.

dubs checkem

>8 armies already in total war
>the two standalone games both will have 4 new factions
YOU KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS RIGHT
FOUR GOD GAME IN THE CHAOS WASTES
WOOOOOO

>>51666359
AoS didn't decentralize Chaos. In fact, by making Skaven Archaon and Nurgle's direct subordinates they consolidated it.

>>51666590
I think Envy is Malal and Greed Hashut.

>>51666700
Skaven aren't subordinate to nurgle. Pestilens are using nurgle's guys as meatshields.

In fact, one might say that there's six chaos gods in that blasted setting, with the Rat taking a spot and Archaon taking Malal's mantle.

>>51666700
Hashut = Avarice
Khorne = Wrath
Malal = Envy
Nurgle = Sloth
Slaanesh = Lust
Tzeentch = Pride
???? = Gluttony

>>51666835
The maw?

>>51666766
Five with Archaon taking Slaanesh's domains.

There's technically 8 in T9A with the Horned Rat expy, the Rat King.

>>51666858
That's what I thought at first, but is it strictly speaking a Chaos God?

>>51666864
Not really, slaanesh is still it's thing (sort of).

I'm not incredibly fond of AoS but if the rumors are true, I may like the Slaanesh-worshipping dark elves (sorry, Daerk*tm Aelfs*tm) new models.

>>51666192
The dlc-fest is still discouraging me and the Old World doesn't really deliver the races I'm interested in, so I'll be waiting.

>>51666192
I enjoy it. It's my first Total War game.

>>51666700
>AoS didn't decentralize Chaos. In fact, by making Skaven Archaon and Nurgle's direct subordinates they consolidated it.

So what? It's still the same. Making a new lore cannibalizing WHFB. And in this specific case T9A is doing it even worst. If you like it or not that's irrelevant, there's people who liked AoS as well.

>>51666911
He is a god formed by a giant warpstone meteor crashing into the earth fed by the souls of his ogre followers so, yes, I think he is a chaos god like the horned rat is.

You could also call horned rat gluttony, the only thing he did when he manifested was eat a bunch of skaven

>>51666941
Do we know when the next game will be released anyways??

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>>51666664
>>51666676
Reverse it is then, I suppose.
These were always great. I think the best parts were the recurring characters or the occasional gag that was split between different notices and you had to connect the dots.

>>51666911
It can be if they want since they don't fucking care about the lore to begin with.

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>>51666531
That is pretty fucking great. I'd recommend another sheet, but have it be 'stapled' to the back somehow, like a crude series of ads and coupons. Could be a great way to introduce newer players to basic ideas of WFB, or more specific elements of the city without having to monologue about everything.

>Come to the Hafling Hotpot, where we can assure you that everything is not-rot!

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>>51667041
>>51667041
>they don't fucking care about the lore

>>51666835
I think Slaanesh is Pride. Lust is described more like how Nurgle gets Plaguebearers mixed with Cenobites.

>>51666996
What do you expect? Them to distribute WFB books illegally?

That's our job.

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>>51666677
godspeedo nurgle sama

>>51667034
You're gold, my man. Hope you keep making these, because they're going in my resources folder, lol.

>>51667034
>hanging a horse killer and an apple thief

Seriously?

>>51667430
Horse thieves were regularly put to death for a lot of history.

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>>51667430
It's a bloody outrage.

>>51667430
The common ancestor of most Australians is a ten year old orphan girl caught stealing bread and cheese from a manor that was sentenced to hang. She was put on the boat only hours before her execution time.

>>51667603
I wanna see what this ur-shitposter looked like.

>>51667695
Her name was Mary Wade. Anon was wrong in that she was 12 and stole clothing.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Wade

>>51667034
>half the ths replaced with ys, some left th
stop

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>tfw you realize chaos gods are real

>>51667929
I'll sell my soul for a donut.

>>51668074
wud u pat a skaven?

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>>51668773
I'd eat one, yeah.

>>51668796
that's one dope ass elephant.

>>51663274

Probably for the best to be honest. I trust CA but too much too fast wouldn't feel like Bretonnia.

I feel as though they should get another form of artillery or something.

>>51666835
Khorne is by logic wrath and pride. Splitting it up in sins makes no sense.
Isn't Tzeentch more greed, since he lusts after knowledge more than anything?

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>>51669245
I hope they get a decent catapult, like an onager.

Or maybe a bombard. Fuck no gunpowder, bombards are sexy.

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>>51664201

Nobody said they were bad dawr.

>>51669245
Definitely foot knights if anything. Or at least an option to dismount prior to a battle, specifically a siege.

>>51667034
>>Payment in wyrdstone
That's like advertising you want to be paid in plutonium. It's illegal.

Still looks great, though.

>>51669301
>>51669333

The real question is, what the fuck are they going to do with the Bretonnian fleet.

In Man O' War shit is all fucked up, they have ships that are more advanced than the Empire and use about as many cannons on them despite their lore.

It's going to need a total overhaul.

>>51669333
>>51667894
That's just one of the old mordheim magazines. Every issue had an ad page at the back.

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>>51663557

I agree that GW is stupid but I like the setting for its sandboxyness. I know the old world was a big ol sandbox but this is like an even bigger sandbox.

While Warhammer was more Witcher-ish fantasy, AoS is more Clash of the Titans crazy epic fantasy. It's way more myth and high fantasy, which I mean I don't mind as long as everyone in there isn't a superhero god.

my one gripe with AoS is that they need to update the factions that aren't fucking Stormcasts. I want my damn ordinary human forces fighting monsters n shite. I'm just glad if people wanna play AoS here I don't have to fuckin' rebase everything.

>>51665302

Same m8. I am gonna strip mine I painted in middle school and I figure I am gonna strip them, prime them red, give them a quick base of white and then paint over that for a dark gritty Blanchey looking look.

Which is gonna be crazy, as I've just started getting back into painting after like a decade wew

>>51669389
Bretonnia has had the best human navy for a while, even through sixth edition. The Skaven fucked up the navy hard a while back so the king bailed them out with the royal treasury. It isn't lorebreaking since they still use trebuchets, the way around it is 'only a peasant crews warmachines anyway'. Nobles serving on board would be officers accustomed to boarding actions while lowborn and the small middleclass men would be sailors, marines and petty officers.

>>51669391
I know

>>51669462

It just feels so weird though, I mean I can understand that Brets would have a more powerful navy than the Empire because they have more access to the West Ocean. But to see them using cannons just looks weird. There navy should be more medieval but supplemented with magic.

>>51669447
The problem is a bigger sandbox isn't worth much if the sand becomes cat litter

>>51669525

their*

>>51669525
I imagine it's due to a royal decree.
>>Weapons of blackpowder may only be transported, bought, sold and used in the armament of cannon aboard a sea going vessel.
>>Said vessel must be approved by the office Royal Admiralty, the Dukes of L'Anguille, Brionne or Bordeleaux as well as the consent of the King.

Medieval warfare is good enough for the field, but when it comes to the high seas you need a different approach, which I'm sure they understood after the fleet got rekt.

>>51669530

This is true, which is why I wish they'd fuck off with all the stormcast stuff and start actually fleshing it out because imho it has potential but as they are GW they are probs putting money before creativity.

ANYWAYS

>>51669525
Is there a reason that Bretonnia hasn't advanced? I've never actually looked into it.

>>51669701
Bretonnia was founded nearly a thousand years after the Empire and has less contact with dwarfs as well. Some people may say 'Empire stronk' but they forget to mention that they had a huge headstart with such close contact with the dwarfs, sorta like Japan after its industrialization.

Even with that in mind, it still has advanced. Bretonnian craftsmen are some of the best around, even better than their Imperial counterparts, and not all knights wear Third Crusade era armour. It's basically 'wear what you can afford' so there's a mish mash of knights wearing mail and leather, transitional plates and even full plate.

>>51669701
>Is there a reason that Bretonnia hasn't advanced?

I've always assumed it was the Lady of the Lake's doing. Considering her true nature, it's no surprise gunpowder isn't a thing.

>>51669751

Dang. Never saw it like that, yeah.

That said, anyone know where to pick up Bret models? Regardless if I play with em or not, I just want me some models to paint. Esp men at arms.

>>51670067
Probably Ebay until there's a Bretonnia made to order. There's also a line of not!Bretonnia models set for release sometime in the future.

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/tms-kingdom-of-equitaine-army-release#/

I wish I could get some Men at Arms again, since mine look like toads as I painted them when I was 16. Now I'm slightly better and I'd like another go at them but I don't know how to strip paint from plastic models without destroying them.

>>51670089

Simple green my man. I did it for 20 space marine models that were covered in several layers. Left em in overnight, took em out, brushed em with an old toothbrush, put em back in for another night, took em out and brushed again. The longer you leave em in, the easier it is to brush off.

Faster if you weren't not a dumby like me at 16 and paint over a layer of paint.

A bottle of simple green in America is like $4. If you're not in America I'd just google alternatives. I've heard dettol is good. Also pinesol works pretty well (as long as you don't leave them in for more than an hour) but pinesol works really well for the metal models.

Good luck dude

>>51670226
Thanks. I'll try it out on one of the uglier Man at Arms I converted out of a spare Bowman. I've had a real passion for painting as of late, it feels calming, and I've posted a few models here but the camera on my phone doesn't take very good pictures. Even with the meagre skill I'm at it's ten times better than what I did when I first started playing Bretonnia. No basing, no inks, no dry brushing. I cringe looking at them.

Is Kings of War the best substitute for playing fantasy battles with WHFB minis? What are some other games that can be used?

>>51670341
You still have WFRP. YOU ALL STILL HAVE WFRP

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So what does everyone want the next Total War: Warhammer race to be? I just want my fucking Chaos Dwarfs...

>>51670352

yeah this. I wanna play WFRP


>>51670273
Good luck. Pic related is a marine that I had left in a tub for a few days and scrubbed and it's PRETTY good enough to paint. Might've missed a few spots but eh. Word of warning: the stuff might melt the bonds of the glue, which isn't that big of a deal to be honest but just be gentle while brushing and you'll be fine.

I agree with you though, painting is a lot of fun.

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>>51670470
In all likelihood it'll be High Elves, Dark Elves, Lizardmen and Skaven.

That's what I want. :^)

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>>51670487

lol didn't post pic

>>51670487
>>51670503
Do you leave it in the open air or will a plastic container suffice? My old roommate bought me some Bloodletters off of Ebay for Christmas and the guy that made them must have glued his fucking pubes to the base or something. I tried scratched them off with an exacto knife as best I could but I've cut my thumbs open too many times to try any harder on their feet/talons. I'd rather not have an open container of cleaning fluid standing around, even if it's not in a place where it shouldn't be bumped or tipped over.

>>51670533

I just stuck as many as would fit into a plastic container with a lid. Just an average tupperware container would work.

>>51670555
Trips can't lie.

Good to know. Almost all of my knights, save my Grail Knights and characters who just need a brush and some inking, could use a bath like that. What would you recommend, a day or two, brush, and then another day or two with brushing afterwards?

>>51670591

How stupid were you when you first painted them?

I mean like when I painted my marines I got em off ebay already painted, and after a month I decided to give em my own paintjob (without stripping them), then a few months later I gave them another paint job. Then another after. They were thicc monstrosities and it took about a week to strip them almost completely damn.

Though, one night should be enough to strip most. If you think they might need more then just leave em in another night.

I've heard of people who stuck minis in simple green for months on end and the minis come out fine. After awhile iirc, the simple green will simply dissolve the paint if you leave it in long enough. I think.

But yeah, one night, brush (HARD) in the morning, try not to break the models but brush hard.

>>51670470
My guess is it's going to be orges as the last old world dlc, then we're getting a tomb kings, delf and helf and skaven standalone, with lizards as dlc to that, then a chaos standalone in the wastes which will add demons, full kizlev, and each god will have faction with chaos dwarf dlc. Dogs of war dlc probobly in the second game

>>51670634
Not that stupid, but not informed enough. Basically I wanted to have them table ready, and I painted with friends so we joked around half the time anyway. They have multiple coats, but the same amount of paint without any kind of lighter layers or shading. Basically how a newbie paints when first into the hobby.

Shouldn't be too hard to brush Men at Arms except for the two that I converted to wield halberds instead of spears and shields. Even so they've broken so many times that it doesn't matter, just a spot of glue and they're good. I GM'd WFRP with a new person and he was legitimately worried that he broke a model of mine, but I said not to worry and that all he needs is glue and time.

>>51670694
Ogres would be the best free dlc ever, if that's what we get from MWNL.

>>51670694
Any ideas where second game is gonna go? I haven't played it yet but is WTW basically Archaeon rallying up his hordes and shite?


>>51670711
Got pics? But yeah, shouldn't be too hard. Also remember to brush them over a sink, and to close the drain. I've lost a few small bits down the drain because I didn't close the thing.

>>51667929
I don't get it.
>>51669251
Tzeentch is ambition. Part of pride.

The direction T9A is going is divorcing specific Daemons from specific gods. Instead of all Khorne being uniform Bloodletters, never magic, there are Bloodletter-types that are used as warriors by all gods. Some use others more.

For example T9A Envy is about lowering enemies to your level. That's Nurgle. T9A Sloth is about impending doom, but also prophesy and fate. That's Nurgle and Tzeentch. T9A Lust is about corrupting others, which is Slaanesh, but Lust draws everyone into its army which is like Nurgle's Plaguebearers.
Remember how Slaanesh is describes as a moody god who goes from happy to hateful to scheming constantly? Imagine if Slaanesh had Plaguebearers and Daemonettes when happy, Bloodletters when angry, and Horrors when plotting because all his part of the Warp changes based on his mood instantly.

Basically you can take any Daemon, and it will reflect any T9A Chaos God based on how you use it. But on the tabletop the army is lead by a Greater Daemon specific to that god, and they use Marks to alter their stats slightly to reflect who they serve.

>>51670749
The game is supposed to be a soft trillogy with stand alone super dlcs with as much content as the first game that can be played as separate or apart.

The current game is just brets, empire, chaos, vamps, greenskin, dwarves, beastmen, and welves doing exactly what you would expect from their factions.

>>51670801
Don't forget that all races are playable in the main campaign.

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>>51670749
This is a good example of me over ten years ago.

>>51670889
Will be on the 28th. So hyped for the Brets.

>>51670898
THICC

>>51669525
I think they recognize that naval warfare is going to be operating on different rules than land warfare, or maybe it's throwing up their hands at the fact that they can't really be glorious knights when they're on the sea and are bowing to necessity when it comes to protecting sea trade. Though I guess they could include ramming galleys for charges...trebuchets on a ship are kind of stupid, though - it won't work if your enemies are going to be boarding like Dark Elves or using cannons like the Empire.

Still, one subtle bit of lore that I like about Bretonnia is that some parts of it seem more 'modernized' than others, and it creates some tension, and hints that maybe in the future urges to modernize from the bottom up could lead to rebellion or strife.

>>51665868
>>51665986
T9A is trash taken form. I might as well take to Smegmar at this point.

>>51662606
Someone saved my art :'D

>>51672618
I loved it.

>>51667096
And their job is to make more balanced rules, nothing more. That is the only purpose of T9A, a way to play WHFB with more balance. They have no reason to try and make their own setting other than blind arrogance.

>>51669447
>Clash of the Titans crazy epic fantasy

Which I fucking despise. I like low fantasy, dark fantasy or historical fantasy. I have no interest in giant monsters or gods, except in how they relate to mortals.

>>51674208
I remember being annoyed during those movies. The monsters/gods at the end were so large it was pointless.

>>51672411
Butthurt whfb grognard.
T9A is better than anything GW ever created.

>>51674230
Fucking 9th Age looked promising until everything went downhill two updates ago, seriously. Now it's quite a bit worse than WHFB 8th or KoW.

>>51668773
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTKNahASSDI

>>51674370
I became less enthusiastic when they released that big Wood Elf lore book. There are enough generic fantasy settings already. We don't need another not-Warhammer. We just need a decent 9th edition.

>>51673524
I'm going to agree on this. Seriously, though, why do you need to make a setting? If you ask me, there may be even a bit of greed at the end of the road. Who says they might even start charging you to play their "unique" setting? They already got companies backing them, which IMO is a bit part of the problem.

Seriously though, the idea also seems balls to the wall retarded at worst and MEH! incarnate at best.

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ITT lesser known Chaos Gods.

http://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Necoho
http://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Zuvassin

>>51674407
>We just need a decent 9th edition.

What do you think of Warhammer Armies Project and its own 9th edition?

>>51674436
To be honest, I had not heard of it until now. I'll check it out.

>>51673524
The issue being that the 9th Age is nowhere more balanced than 8th ed. is. Quite the opposite if you ask me. They started out pretty solid, but the latest 'army book' updates have made things worse ... a lot.

What is the current lore of the ninth-age anyways? I keep hearing of it but haven't seen a place where they properly give explanations (and I'm not going to waddle through the mess that is 1d4chan's page)

>>51674477

Fucking Brettonnia (sorry, Kingdoms of Equitaine*tm) is a force of light skirmishers (cavalry wise).

Can someone explain me how in satan's balls they did this?

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>>51674487
>>heavy cavalry
>>in some cases super saiyan heavy cavalry
>>light skirmishers

>>51666008
Praise Kek!

>>51674370
Are the earlier versions still available online? Because you know, we could just take the good, cut out the bad, restore the original names of units and have a more balanced 9th ed right there.

>>51674530

And who would play with you? Most people will go for the "current" stuff. Pretty sure it's developed its own brand of shills that will turn a blind eye on their misfires and these will ruin everything.

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>>51674429
>mot Ans'l, Mo'rcck and Phraz-Etar
you disrespect the ruinous powers

>>51674530
Yea I "could" but the whole point is having a fairly standard rule set

>>51674370
9th ed should just be 6th or 7th ed with variable charge distances to prevent charge stalemate bogging things down.

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>>51665395
>Taking your best gimp with you into the jungle.

>>51674616
I'd like to see a new 6th edition, but at this point it seems there's too many competing versions of WHFB.

>>51674630
>>implying you can't buy another

>>51674616
Well, we just continue to play 7th and 8th ed. in my group.

>>51664809
Don't think so.

If so, then hoping they learned something from their previous games. If they didn't, then better not.

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>>51674700
I didn't play Rome 2 for very long, but I loved Emprie's naval battles. What was wrong with it, from a gameplay standpoint? I remember winning a battle in which I had half the enemy's numbers, with the HMS Victory of course, but managed to pull off some kind of chain warp core explosion that won me the battle.

Writer of the shitty Krask (Skaven befriends a blind old human) story here. Should I write a sequel?

>>51674754
Post your story.

>>51674754
No.

>>51674754
I've never heard of it. Why the hell would a Skaven befriend a human instead of eating him? How do you justify that without some LCB-tier bullshit?

>>51670898

simple green guy here, yeah that'll scrub off p easily. Shield may or may not pop off.

Leave in one night
Scrub with old toothbrush (or roommates) in morning
If they still have some paint on em, leave em in another night

rinse and repeat

have fun

>>51674822
It was because of a thread back in November of last year, the question being if Skaven were genetically predisposed to be evil or if they could be not evil. My story was bout finding a reason to be less evil, as a blind man had no reason to be killed due to him not being able to break the veil of secrecy.

But mostly because I was drunk for the entire holiday season, so I wanted to explore this option.
https://www.scribd.com/document/320490990/Krask

>>51674847
Thanks. I've always wanted another crack at some of my models, but I was just too afraid that I would melt them into hunks of plastic.

Just got myself a Green Knight on ebay. Lucky me.

>>51674616
>with variable charge distances
Like rolling for charge, the thing that killed WHFB ?

>>51674922
I'm pretty sure excessive pricing and the mess that was storm of magic plus the whole steadfast shennanigans (oh, so your 100-ton beast charged my shmuck-peasants? It killed three of them? Too bad, I've got 4 ranks and a banner so it runs away and I wipe it in the pursuit... just a quick example)

>>51674940
With random charge distance there was no manoeuvre play because it was just not worth it if it could go awry on a dice roll. That's why all 8th ed battles were "walking in a straight line towards the enemy".

>>51674860
Jesus man, your writing is terrible. Is English your second language, or were you under the influence when you wrote it?

>>51674969
I ride the line between a normal person and an alcoholic. And yes, I was drunk when I wrote it. It's not meant to be taken seriously, only as a 'What If' story.

>>51674982
You could at least do some editing while sober. 12 year olds write better than that. If you're going to do a sequel, don't release it until you've read through it without the influence of alcohol.

>>51674860

Nope, can leave plastic dudes in simple green for months and they won't deform

>>51675096
>>without the influence of alchole
Too late my dude, I have no editor. It''s essentially a store that takes a concept and isn't to be taken seriously.

>>51675110
Cool. I have a lot of models to repaint in that case. Not just my own but more than a few that I 'inherited'.

>>51675133
It doesn't matter if it's meant to be serious, you could at least make sure you've spelled properly. It's a pain in the ass to read, and it takes less than a minute to run your fanfiction through spellcheck.

>>51675219
Oops? I guess I didn't run a spell check before I uploaded it.

>>51675245
Not only that, your grammar is terrible. Sentences end in strange ways, and you shove words in the middle of sentences that shouldn't be there. Your first paragraph alone has 3 examples of this.

>>51675277
I'm not a writer. I do what I can without an editing process.

>>51675342
You should really introduce one, even to your posts. How can anyone take you seriously when you write like a child?

>>51674948
It would be half move + d6

Far more killed wfb than random charge distances, without them the game could bog down. 8ths main issue with tactic's was that it did random charges and removed any penalty for misjudgement or gettibg moved out of position

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>>51675359

>>51662606
Guys, is there a way I can play Warhammer alone without miniatures? [I live in some country where we don't have them anywhere and I can't afford to buy them online]
Maybe make paper drawings? or any better suggestions?
Thank you

>>51675458
Try out 'Universal Battle'

>>51675458
Play Vassal or tabletop simulator on PC.

>>51674754
Please don't.

>>51675502
>>51675545
Thank you so much. I just checked them now.
I tried to make my own miniatures by sculpting clay aftter watching a tutorial but they were rly bad. I think this will be much better

>>51669333
>Definitely foot knights if anything. Or at least an option to dismount prior to a battle, specifically a siege.

That used to be a mechanic, they took it out for Warhammer.

>>51669389
Who even cares about fleets?
They're just not a thing in Total War: Warhammer.

>>51674630
That's a map tattooed onto his back.
Consider the cartographer looking at him and taking notes.

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>playing Return of Reckoning even though I don't like MMOs
>keep thinking how great it would be if it were a Morrowind style game instead

>>51677515
WAR was boring and limited. It's not wrong to wish it were expanded on.

>>51677515
I don't think that anyone does Morrowind style games anymore. It's either cinematic tripe or trite survival games.

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>>51677562
>I don't think that anyone does Morrowind style games anymore

>>51674481
Core rulebook in the back.
Wood Elf and TK army books.
Chaos is being previewed by dev teams on the forums.

>>51674948

>8th ed
>walking straight towards the enemy field
>in tarpit edition: skavenslave bogaloo

>>51675394

failed charges prevent you from moving further, exposed yourself to SaS, could potentially (also probably) expose your flank and fuck up the movement of other non-charging units

>>51674386
Uh...

Hm.

So...that's a ...yes?

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>>51677531
When I was a kid playing Morrowind, I thought to myself, "I wish they'd make something like this for Warhammer."

I felt sure somebody would do it eventually.

That was fifteen years ago.

>>51674754
Yes, but I think you need to grapple more with the inherent and deep-trained instinct to exploit and be cruel in the skaven.

>>51676074
That was a thing in Empire Total War with Dragoons, so they could make it work.

>>51677562
There's only even been one.

>>51678214
It wouldnt be impossible to render Warhammer in Morrowind. All the tools for building it is there. It would just be a monumental effort, that's all.

Maybe you guys can help me, looking for a mega of all the fantasy novels, I have to go down state so I need to get a book collection ready for tedium.

>>51678466
They couldn't even get Warcraft done in Oblivion. It can't happen unless its a solo project.

>>51679146
Here's waiting for the holodeck.
>>Computer; create a landscape and characters as per the .pdf file 'Sigmar's Heirs'. Run a story algorithm with a heavy political theme in Reikland.
>>PROGRAM COMPLETE. YOU MAY ENTER WHEN READY.

>>51678466
>monumental effort

This is why it will never happen. I thought about doing something like this in OpenMW using WAR assets, but I just don't have the time or skill.

>>51678466
I don't know - Morrowind is pretty unique in terms of creatures and what's in it, and that won't all translate well to Warhammer.

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You live in a world where WHFB is hugely popular. You have to select a new faction from the lore to create an army for.

Which do you pick?

I'd pick Tilea: renaissance Italians armed with bizarre war machines inspired by Leonardo da Vinci.

>>51679440
Bretonnia. :^)

It needs some fucking lore that isn't propaganda from other army books.

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>>51679440
Cathay.

Exotic, China isn't all that focused on yet in media but it feels like there's been new interest and such a faction would be well liked, the potential for a fairly well-rounded army with both magic and gunpowder and yet distinct from other Warhammer factions, a chance to have a presence in not!Asia outside of vague lore related to other factions, and you can still have them interact with Elves, Dark Elves, Orges, Chaos Warriors, Orcs and Goblins believably and the Empire, Bretonnia and Dwarves a little less believably. It would also provide a chance to add some more material for Nippon or Ind as sources of units or mercenaries.

>>51679440

Estalia

-Caballero cavalry. Basically the Estalian answer to knights-errant. Young, dumb, full of cum nobleman who make up for their lack of experience in audacity and zeal.

-Estalian diestros. Loose units of gentleman fighters who get better as they do damage, since seeing their comrades do heroic things inspires their fellows to fight harder out of a need to not be outdone.

-Pike & crossbow squares, upgradeable to pike & shot squares.

-War bulls. Angry, frightened bulls tied to logs covered in pitch, which are then set aflame. Ideally, they charge directly into the enemy lines, wreaking havoc as they gore the enemy and thrash a burning log around.

-Myrmidian battle maidens. Hyper-disciplined spear-and-shield troops who don't break for anything. Use their famous polished mirror shields to make aiming at them less effective.

-Conquistadors, motley units of men who have been to the new world and survived, bringing back unusual weapons and tactics in the doing. Not so effective in conventional combat, but highly modifiable and 'quirky,' making them a potentially dangerous wild card.

>>51679033
No one?

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>>51679752
Throw in some crappy militia and miquelets and you've got yourself a deal.

What do Skaven cities look like?

>>51679874
Like normal cities only with more backstabbing jews. And casual murder so long as you can justify it.

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>>51679874

>>51674731
turns out, non age of sail battles are extremely boring to play with.

>>51680040
I'm guessing it boiled down to who had the most men in boarding actions. Part of what I liked about playing the British in Empire was the was the anticipation, the thrill of getting a broadside off.

Went and read the Sylvan Elf lore from the ninth age.

My god, I almost went deaf from the sheer noise of sucking cock that seeped from the text. How could they be sooo pretentious? And don't get me started on how longwinded and over-wroughtly written it was!

>>51664499
Collective ethnic responsibility of OTHER races. The dwarfs don't take responsibility for the chaos dwarfs.

>>51680087
Chaos Dwarfs are the child molester uncle that Dwarfs refuse to acknowledge.

>>51679874
like giant fucking shanty towns of rotting wood and shit with the occasional stone building that's either a ruin or something the grey seers/warlords made for their exclusive use. The rest is tunnels.
>>51679908
no

>>51680077
Those guys aren't going to be professional writers, that much is certain. I'm not surprised the text wouldn't be written all that well.

>>51666192
Get the humble bundle monthly and drop. You've only paid 12 dollars or so and you get a bunch of shit next month.

Speaking of that I need to Git Gud and it and need pointers, I'm stuck always hitting auto resolve.

>>51680162
Hold with infantry, shock with cavalry. Rinse and repeat.

>>51679874
Do you remember Bravil in Oblivion? Do you remember the Better Cities mod that made it even bigger and bridged the buildings with tons of rickety bridges?

Like that. Underground. But even taller and more ramshackle, with more bridges, and every space possible filled with heaving, reeking masses of ratmen, all trying to avoid being on the bottom of the pile, among the corpses too rotten for even them and the rivers of shit, piss, and toxic sludge.

>>51680103
Right so its a lot like.

"Ai, i shallnt deal with you, your no better den dat tax dodging uncle of yours."

"What about your Uncle Richmond Childbeard."

"GRUDGE!"

>>51680187
What if i want to play dwarf?

>>51680087
They do, it's why they're so sensitive about the Chaos Dwarfs. It's a stain on their entire race and it's staggering for them to grapple with.

>>51680216
Felix mentioned the Chaos Dwarfs full of dwarfs and they gave him a death stare.

>>51680270
Hating their existence is not necessarily taking responsibility for them. Its not like the dwarfs regularly fight them.

>>51680318
We covered this a topic ago, they're too far away to fight.

>>51680366
Ah sorry then, thats that then.

Random question that may be interesting may be stupid, but with 40k all trying to be different and having squatted the old races, what do you think itd be like if the settings switched.

So 40k was grimdark medival fantasy and Warhammer fantasy is a scifi fantasy setting with space tomb kings and the like.

>>51680420
I don't really understand. The settings are reflections of each other.

>>51680433
Well they tried to branch 40k out to be different right? And the translation wasnt always straight to begin with.


For instance what would a warhammer fantasy tyrnaids be like? Space Skaven? Fantasy Krieg?

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What's the origin of the pointy helmets on Elves?
Are they from a real life culture, or an older Fantasy setting?

>>51680077
Every faction's book is supposed to suck them off.

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>>51680736
Closest real world equivalent would probably be the phrygian helmet, with some similar variants in the early Middle Ages as well. I don't quite remember why they were that way, but I think it may have protected from axe blows.

>>51680478
Considering they used spore orcs in Fantasy despite the ridiculous population explosion it would cause, probably almost unchanged other than not coming from space.
Thorpe's Number and all that.

>>51680736
It's cause they're pinheads.

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>>51680736
Stolen from Moorcock.

GW had the rights to produce minis of Moorcock's IP, and when GW lost the rights they just pretended the models were generic Elves.

Same as how Beastmen came from unsold Broo minis and all four Greater Daemons are D&D monsters. GW came up with very little designs, and lost most of it when they realized freelance artists keep the rights to designs.

>>51680858
did they make a in universe explanation for it?

>>51680858
A bit off-topic, but didn't Moorcock hate tolkienesque fantasy? I wonder how he feels about his Melnibones ending up as not-Noldor.

>>51680884
Nope.

>>51679440
Zombie pirates.

>>51679440
Id pick the stormcasts just so the world can burn around me. Fuck em.

>>51680071
As far as I know medieval naval battles, they basically treated ships as floating platforms for soldiers to fight from, and even occasionally formed 'walls' of ships. Ancient battles, at least in the Mediterranean, focused around ramming and boarding.

As for Empire Total War, I was never good at the naval battles after a certain amount of ships were involved. It was impossible to keep track of, and I couldn't be static like in land battles.

>>51680858
The Dark Elves are also very much a pastiche of the cruel and decadent Melbonéans.

>>51680916
He despised it, and his stuff is a reaction to it. The fact that it never attained the same recognition eternally hurt his butt, and the dude wrote the now-infamous 'Epic Pooh' on the subject, which is full of logical fallacies and dripping with professional jealousy and spite.

>>51680938
So, the Vampire Coast?

>>51680077
>And don't get me started on how longwinded and over-wroughtly written it was!

Was it written with an in-universe point of view? Because they may have just been imitating pompous olde worlde speech.

>>51680216
>What if i want to play dwarf?
Box up, force the defender to come to you with artillery, pelt their army on the way with Quarrelers (from behind your line) or Thunderers (they need direct line of sight), murder their lord with your superior Dwarf Lord, you have some of the most sturdy infantry so you can rely on them not breaking, flank with Great Weapon troops and charge into their flanks/back

Once you get comfortable, mix your force with other troops, practice makes perfection, no other way around it

also, these questions are better off into /vg/'s Total War general, it's one of the best generals and their advice will be much better

>>51680916
Although Warhammer Fantasy contains Elves, Dwarfs and Orcs, they're presented in a way that's so at odds with Tolkien's approach that I don't think they can be described as Tolkienesque.

>>51681211
It was.
Bretonnian bard accompanies a nobleman who goes to hunt Elves, they slaughter the army and T9A Orion keeps the bard as a pet like a songbird. The entire book is his accounts of encountering each option in the book during his captivity.

At the end he escapes and tells the local lord what happened and the he forces him to bring them to the Elves. It turns out that was the Elf plan all along, they ritually slaughter the lord and the army while the bard escapes to the coast. Its implied one of the other Elf types will capture him next.

>>51680125

Even the out-of-universe bits were longwinded. The in universe doubly so. Honestly, there's a difference between immersion and grabbing someone's head and forcefully sunk it into the water. It's not making it better.

>>51681211

No, sucking the writers' pencil dicks.

>>51681351
It's just my go-to word for settings with these standard fantasy races, even when they are done in a different way.

>>51681351
Its also at-odds with Moorcock. Moorcock Chaos was about a natural return to equilibrium then a distuption again. Warhammer Chaos is evil and wins because good is dumb.

God fucking dang it, quoted wrong comments. Sorry, I meant:
>>51681211
and>>51680787

>>51681411
Did you even read the 8e books? What wasn't presented like their short lore blurb on the store page was far more up its own ass. At least this is in-universe, GW was an up its own ass omniscient narrator.

>>51680938
There was a WD army list for that.

>>51681411
>>51681459
>Even the out-of-universe bits were longwinded.

I've not read it and I don't intend to, but this
>>51681408
doesn't sound all that terrible to me. If it's a bard that's writing it, I can see why the writing would be flowery. I'll take your word that it's excessive, though.

>>51681481
>Implying I bothered reading that garbage that ultimately led to the Old World's demise.

>>51681536
Trust me: taking twelve lines in order to say: I'm going to write down a story I told a lot of times, isn't just flowery (and this is page one, don't get me started on the rest).

It is overwrought and un-expressive. Things that would be cool to go into detail are glossed over, while other, more boring and almost tangential are given inordinate screentime.

>>51681546
It was better than 7e lore though. 7e was "Let's play this as safe as we possibly can, and sell some named models while we're at it by making 1/4 every book their biographies."

>>51681585
I liked it. It felt like some poor scrub's account.

Have you read any decent Warhammer Fantasy books? I tried starting the Vampire Wars some time ago but I found the prologue bad enough to stop reading.

>>51682243
The first three Gotrek and Felix books are pretty nice. They get to melodramatic for me after the third one.

>>51682243
It's a mixed bag for sure.

I liked Beasts in Velvet. And Tales of the Old World was pretty decent as a collection of short stories.

>>51669701

Advanced is a relative term in Warhammer.

Races that rely less on gunpowder tend to be more powerful magically.

The Empire take after the Dwarfs and are very suspicious of magic, preferring to put their trust in technology.

>>51682280
As the Estalians say; What's the difference between a Dwarf and an Imperial?

One's dour, bearded and drinks too much ale and the other's a Dwarf.

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>>51676074

> Who even cares about fleets?

U FOOKIN' W0T M9

>>51682280
Eh, Kislev is overall doing pretty great, and they have ice witches AND gunpowder.

>>51682435

That's why Praag gets arsefucked every other week.

>>51682243
Genevieve.
Defenders/Riders.
Ancient Blood.

>>51682616
But they always survive and spring back. Better than the Empire, which has been in a state of civil war longer than unity, and has been losing territory over the last few centuries (Sylvania and Marienburg).

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This is Bugman's Brewery from 6e.

Anyone know if they showed the whole thing or how tjey made it anywhere? I'm at a loss on how to replicate that distiller.

>>51683008
Why would the undead target a brewery?

>>51683046

Yeah, I thought Goblins destroyed it and his Aunt Beru and Uncle Owen.

>>51683046
To demoralize the dwarves.

>>51683075
so basically because they are assholes

>>51683046
Breweries are really important to dwarves - might be less that the Undead guys want it, but they know it will harm the dwarves attempts to fight on.

>>51683091
Yes, though undead would probably not attack because some dwarf wronged them at some point.

>>51683046
Bugman's XXXXXXX is valuable.
>>51683060
It was rebuilt. He just doesn't personally run it anymore.

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>>51683008
It appeared a bunch in white dwarf, but never in its entirety as far as I remember.

>I'm at a loss on how to replicate that distiller.
It's a polystyrene sphere with some bits of tube stuck to it. That honestly seems like the easiest part of the build to me.

>>51682243
Easiest to list decent authors.

- Chris Wraight
- William King
- Jack Yeovil
- possibly C L Wener (only read his short stories, though)

>>51682243
The Genevieve books.

>>51683255

The guy who took over the Gortrek and Felix books after King was meant to be okay.

>>51683239
Thanks!

>>51682387
How can this guy be so fucking cool?

Fuck, Malekith should've been killed off.

>>51683511
He was. He broke lore in a couple places, but not terribly. His Gotrek books have more Gotrek in them, too, and none of the fuck-awful whinging about Ulrika. Only good thing she ever did as a human was get ahegaoed by a vampire.

The first two Ulrika books are good, too.

Fresh bread:

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