Will Starfinder be good?

>>51657383
If they deviate from their ruleset drastically? Maybe.

But they advertised compatibility with current Pathfinder, so no, it's going to be Shit in space, and we're all going to suffer for its existence unless we can make sure that it stays in /pfg/

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No

>something designed by Paizo
>something good

You get to pick one and only one.

>>51657421
A mediocre 3.5 module nobody remembers, but was par for the course at the time? That could technically be good.

>>51657383
>Completely compatible with pathfinder

Why

For what purpose

>>51657449
For the monsters? Particularly the mythos style stuff?

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>>51657383
Not a chance.

>>51657383
Probably no chance. I honestly think Paizo can do great work, I love shit like unchained, but they'll choose market over craft every time it's a choice.

Marrying SF to PF mechanically and in setting will sell but it'll inevitably result in a product held back by decades old design and messy lore which only serves for call backs.

>>51657449
So all those pathfinder books aren't worthless and they don't have have to juggle making content for 2 completely different systems I would guess.

Will the gods have updated costumes? I want to see Space Iomedae and her Space Trumpets and Space Crusaders

Speaking as a PF player and DM, no. It will be shit. They've said all the space-tech-stuff will still slot in with the existing magic systems and call me old-fashioned but I like my crossovers to be short and sweet, not continual. Also, the setting sounds kinda dumb. You lost a whole planet? Good fucking job.

Also, now I have to deal with powergaming munchkins who will shriek, "But it's first party content! I should be allowed to take this trait that gives me a free shit-tier laser gun! The fact we're playing low-fantasy in feudal Japan doesn't mean you should ban legitimate mechanical options!"

>>51657383
No.

>>51657383
No, but not for the reasons you think it won't.

>>51657383
No because the real life political insertion in the adventure paths and other books with be ridiculous and blatant since they don't even need to sugarcoat it with fantasy anymore.

>>51659451
How badly disguised is the political insertion in PF ?

>>51659238
>"But it's first party content! I should be allowed to take this trait that gives me a free shit-tier laser gun! The fact we're playing low-fantasy in feudal Japan doesn't mean you should ban legitimate mechanical options!"

Followed later by the munchkin whining because nobody is selling ammo. Or that it's unrealistic that the laser is useless against mooks in non-magical armor of a few levels up.

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Doesn't matter Aethera is better.

>>51657383
What would make you think a 20 year old RPG system known for being terrible at emulating fantasy skirmish combat would be even remotely playable in a science fiction game?

>>51657421
Hey, their adventure paths for 3.5 are adequate.

>>51657383
>it's going to be Shit in space

>>51657411
>No

>>51658935
>Not a chance.

>>51658973
>Probably no chance.

>>51659291
>No.

>>51659355
>No, but not for the reasons you think it won't.


Well it looks like I don't really to say anything
But I will
It gonna be shit, covered up so you can't see or smell the shit until you play it several times.

I am excited for the Starfinder Pawns. But that will be for a stars without numbers game...

>>51659977
Never heard of it. You're probably right.

Not that quality matters. There are a horde of people who refuse to play anything but 3.PF because they don't want to learn a new system. They will probably play Starfinder because it's a system they already know.

>>51657405
They haven't advertised compatibility, but conversion potential. Kind of like how it's not that hard to convert old D&D stuff to 5e, so there's still a decent hope that their system is going to be a more solid one, and they'll just have conversion guides for making old stuff fit in.

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>>51657383
I think maybe. I will give it a shot, and you people should as well.

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>>51657383
If it's being made by the same grossly incompetent devs behind Pathfinder then no.

>>51659977
Wot is it?

Is there anything other than traveler that has a functional built-in mercantile system?

>>51661282
My time is limited, so is my money. I didn't like Pathfinder. Everything I've heard says that this will be Pathfinder in space.

Why should I give Paizo a second chance ?

>>51659238
>low-fantasy in feudal Japan

If you're doing this in Pathfinder you're already retarded.

>>51657383
With that art? No.

The 3.5 OGL debacle should have proved that, outside of a few very specific successes, the d20 framework does not work well outside its comfort zone (without getting into the argument of how well it works within its comfort zone.)

The fact they seem intent on using that same structure puts them on course for disaster. They might create something miraculous, but I very much doubt it.

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>>51662052
Because it costs you almost nothing?

Seriously, Paizo will release this a couple of months from now whether or not you want it and odds are 100 to 1 you will at least look into it's quality, if only so you can shitpost about it on 4chins.

>>51662414
>Costs you nothing

Not everyone pirates their books

>>51657405
They advertised that Pathfinder was compatible with 3.5 and they were talking out of their asses.

>>51657383
No and I'll pirate it just to shitpost about how awful it is.

>>51662467
Neither do I.
http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/
Paizo will probably release the rules for free.

You can also just walk into a store and look through it for a bit. Or read online reviews like 90% of this thread probably will.

>>51657383
No. But it will be what Pathfinder players deserve.

I assuming it will just be Pathfinder, but in a Sci-Fi setting and maybe they will use it as a reason to use a lot of their unchained rule changes as part of a core ruleset.

I am not really interested it in, but it might be nice to have a sci-fi game where everyone at my table is already (presumably) familiar with the rules.

The biggest question is why would anyone play this when there's so many other space opera games that have done the exact same things but better.

>>51663270
Trying to get an apathetic group to read a new rulebook is hard.

Also, change is scary.

>>51662471
...no they weren't? Anything from 3.5 can be converted into Pathfinder in like 10 minutes tops, and vice-versa. The greater bulk of that is just updating spell lists and figuring out CMD stuff.

>>51657383
I think it'll be interesting. A new Space Opera setting is exactly what we need right now, and Pathfinder has enough exposure that Starfinder might actually last awhile.

>>51663270
Because it isn't space opera, for one thing. It's high magic in space, which is quite different.

Spelljammers and Star Frontiers are not the same genre at all, and that's what you're trying to compare.

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>>51660248
Two words: Spelljammer rocked.

>>51663459
Spelljammer is a setting, not a game system. Also, it was a setting for 2e, a game system that was remarkably good at modeling fantasy skirmish combat.

>>51663444
Either way, there's still probably an RPG that does it better.

>>51663500
There's probably an RPG that does it different. *better* is subjective.

And it's not like Spelljammer or Star Frontiers are all that supported anymore, and Paizo lacks the license to either of them anyway.

>>51663500
Name one that has support? There are at least three, and none of them show up on /tg/ because: no support.

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>>51657383
Starfinder and 3.x will always be the best RPG system for every thing. every other book is a source book when you have a 3.x with pathfinder and starfinder extra skills. thou the coming from varg vikens myfarog is good too basically you just replace post apocalyptic with every one staying inside on "devices" fact is the worlds going to get overtaken by fucking machines not sexy hookers. VR and moments of the GM where you take the goggles off and a entire world is infront of you is other good tricks. but seriously wait for Starfinder it will have all the structure and updates of pathfinder with the skills you need. first book from them I'm going to get to go along with all my 3.0 and 3.5 stuff. seriously every thing before 3.0 is "old dnd' and didn't work outside of fantasy lit. before then you had to use traveler and cyberpunk. but now you can use all that great content with a better system with starfinder its a huge deal and most people your age will know 3.x/pf 4.0 was a test and 5e is good but it brings back too much ADnD shit to make it feel possible to be high combat at all the miniature rules for 3.0 in dragon magazine are still the best for combat. sure if you want to take it off grid you could consider using 40k or inquisitor rules or even killteam or a mix there of. but at the end of the day the future brings one thing.. one person being able to dominate more people at once so if your doing a cyberpunk RPG each character really should be controlling 3+ minis each just link them in some interesting way like 3whores or 1cop 2 sidekicks ones a cyberdog or 3bandits etc with a leader that has the other 2 on chems and in vr etc. drones etc the whole thing bout the future is more connection and that just exadurates the party dynamic so really a cyberpunk RPG should be made up of multiple partys interacting in a landscape. id go as far to say the best set up would be 2x 40k games with a GM on each and maybe a overarching gm so maybe 2gms a boss 4pcs

>>51663534
l8 b8 m8 i r8 it 8/888

>>51657383
I'm looking forward to a different system I don't like to beat it's sales.

>>51664378
>I'm looking forward to a different system
Fucking really anon? There's a bazillion other RPG systems out there right now

>>51662356
What is d20 even good for? The only advantage I can think of is easy math and having a large enough variance for a bit more character customization via modifiers. But the latter backfires because someone with a +5 mod still loses to someone with +0 frequently enough even though the +5 is supposed to be above peak human strength on average.

>>51665926

The d20 is good for systems where a lack of consistency and extremes of success and failure are appropriate to the tone and theme of the game, pretty much.

>>51661098
It's designed to be Pathfinder compatible so if one hates the system they'll have problems with Aethera.

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>>51661742
I hate when people post this because there are so many instances of PF devs(like pic related) being retards but they decide to post a joke that one of them made.

>>51665926
The d20 system in aggregate is meant to handle Iron Age skirmish combat in which characters rapidly outstrip normal people in survivability and power. It is a flat curve system meant to handle wide disparities in skill and talent, and to give characters lower in one or the other to still potentially punch above weight.

Sooner or later, this gets fucked up, but that's because a surprising amount of tabletop designers can't do math.

>>51662414
Time has a cost. I could be reading something will much more likely be actually good...

>>51657383
It might be a fun read, at the very least, as long as Paizo doesn't get too far up it's own butt at their 'deep and relevant' political bullshit. Distant Worlds was my favorite Golarion book so I'd be willing to read that as a full setting.

>>51662075
You would have to be a pretty shitty GM to be unable to run a low-fantasy game in PF.

>>51667788
Then why are you even in this thread?

>>51668079

Nobody is saying you couldn't do it.

They're telling you it's a fucking shitty choice of system for it.

>>51657383
Betteridge's Law of Headlines applies here.

>>51667626
Bulmahn wasn't joking when he posted that.

He started joking after people viewed him as a joke.

>>51663270
Yeah I'm not excited for this per se, but I am keen for some of the pathfinder die hards I know to maybe broaden their horizons a little.

>>51667626
Isn't this pretty reasonable?

>>51662414
>you will at least look into it's quality, if only so you can shitpost about it on 4chins.

Shit lads, he's on to us.

>>51657383
Well...

It'll be a good laugh I suppose.

>>51665926
In addition to what everyone else has said it's a visual cue. It's the largest of the dice in a standard set, so it visually stands out when the entire dice pool is rolled. Additionally its variance is too high to use for mechanics like damage, and you might as well use the entire set if you have one.

>>51667626
This discussion is exactly why I prefer low powered campaigns and less convoluted systems.

>>51668461

No, SKR was trying to bend his argument around a double standard. When he was called on it he denied he'd done any such thing and shut the conversation down as soon as a weak excuse presented itself, also giving himself the last word.

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Only if it overhauled the system completely. Pathfinder at its core is fundamentally broken and what surrounds it is rotting cancerous bloat that's never cleaned off or polished; when it starts looking too ugly they just slap another coat of bloat on top of it.

Starfinder would need to "reinvent the wheel", but given two things, that won't happen:
1. Pathfinder's central fanbase is composed of people who LIKE the bloat and rot and ENJOY its broken features. Changing these would drive them away, as they often state.
2. Starfinder is advertised to be 100% COMPATIBLE with Pathfinder. This means that, while Starfinder may add new content or even lots of new content, it was always be interchangeable with Pathfinder at a fundamental level.

If you love Pathfinder, you'll love Starfinder. If you hate Pathfinder, you'll hate Starfinder. They are the exact same game with different coats of paint for different times. The most immediate comparison would be Warhammer Fantasy vs. Warhammer 40,000, in terms of the idea: Fantasy is for medieval battles, 40k is for futuristic/modern warfare battles. Many elements, from the Imperium/Empire, Orcs/Orks, Elves/Eldar, Chaos/Chaos are the exact same, but refitted to serve in a different era. This will be true of Pathfinder and Starfinder.

>>51669025
Though, for the record, Warhammer and Pathfinder aren't remotely comparable in quality. I wasn't inferring that.

>>51668079
If you're going to run a low-fantasy feudal Japan game, why not use L5R instead? I mean, you could run that game using PF but it'd ultimately be a waste of time since the system is mean to be used in high gonzo fantasy.

So what are some decent Sci-fi RPGs?

Any that emulate the Mass Effect feel?

>>51670113
Savage Worlds has a pretty good sci-fi supplement.

Traveller is of course the classic sci-fi RPG.

The 40k RPGs are good if you like or can tolerate 40k.

>>51662414
My time is limited. The only way I'll have the time to play Starfinder is if I stop playing a game I actually like.

Plus the things that really turn me off Pathfinder aren't the complaints you often see here. I'm more annoyed with things that I personally dislike, things that I can see why other people might like them. For example, I find 3.PF classes too restrictive, which leads to me playing a lot of classless systems.

>>51670113

Personal preference for Alternity. Klunky, but it's got that old school TSR modularity so you can do any sort of sci-fi with it.

I don't think it will matter if it is good or not, I think it will sell like hotcakes, because all the Pathfinder zombies will buy it just because.

I'd be thrilled if it WERE good, but I am not holding my breath.

>>51659771
It's gotten worse over the years. The best adventures and setting material are the older ones.

There used to be lg paladins of Asmodeus in cheliax, and erastil (cg nature god) used to advocate for traditional family roles. They've since declared that advocating traditional value roles is incompatible with being good, and so have removed it. Meanwhile, slavery is only an act of law, neither good nor evil, and iomedae, God of paladins, is still lg despite torturing her allies/agents in the midst of a war against a demon incursion if they fail trivia or give philosophical answers differing from her own regarding the nature of redemption, or object to her assaulting their allies.

There is also a prominent character who iirc traded the good of the land, for a sex change.

Their work has gotten increasingly preachy and obnoxious.

>>51661742
The answer is 6. That's the latest you can claim the game is designed to
model humans within real world limits.

>>51671811
>3PF classes too restrictive
I hate Pathfinder but I've never heard this one before. Not a jab here, I'm genuinely curious why you think this.

>>51671811
I like Pathfinder for other reasons, but I can really see the argument for classless being better.

I really wish I could like m&m's gameplay, it's chargen is fantastic.

>>51662356
D20 worked great for star wars. See saga edition. Not perfect, but great.

So, it can be done.

>>51659977
It's not out yet either, all the is is a preview.

Though the does seem to be a lot of sci-fantasy Pathfinder coming out these days.

>>51673802
Ntgb, I think he's saying he doesn't like prescripts character advancement paths, even if there's a fair number of alterations you can make to it.

There's something to be said for systems where you can build exactly the character you want to build.

It will be good.

I don't think it will be as popular a release as Pathfinder was. Pathfinder didn't just get really popular because it was 3.5 with blackjack and hookers, it also came out when players were really dissatisfied with 4th edition. There's not really a 4th edition bogeyman to help drive people to Starfinder this time around.

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>>51673868
Everything that I've seen about Aethera just feels more sincere than Starfinder.

>>51673822
And yet it is the worst iteration of the Star Wars RPG. Both WEG d6 and FFG's Snowflake Dice versions are better than d20.

>>51675664
I'd like to agree with you, but it's still going to succeed because of Pathfinder's enormous market share. Go into any nerd shop and you're almost certainly to find 5e and PF. Any bets that Starfinder is going to be put right next to PF and for a lot of people new to TRPGs and don't know what to look for online those may as well be the only games in the world and Starfinder is going to likely be their only choice for a space game.

It may not be as successful, but the company is so dominant in meatspace that it's still guaranteed to succeed.

>>51676007

>want to play a cool space minotaur
>not allowed, you must pick from human, human in plant suit, human+ and robot

I was sad.

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>>51676932
You should play Hellas and play a cool Robo-Centaur in SPAAAAAACE!!!!!

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>>51673757
Started off Pathfinder playing some module I forget the name of. It involved crusades against demons and mythic tiers. Polished off the first two modules before forgetting it. So far it's filled with SJW fantasy characters like a fucking gay cleric and some he/she/it that got a magical sex change.

And how the fuck are traditional family values roles not good?

>>51671811
What makes you feel the classes are toob restrictive?

>>51675664
PF got popular primarily because of butthurt. It's still going on while 4e has since been shelved, which is a shame because 4e is genuinely a fun system abs genuinely the better system.

>>51668669
>you might as well use the entire set if you have one.
>d12s never get used for anything

>>51663270
BUT DUDE THE RULES YOU KNOW AND LOVE
SUNK COST FALLACY LMAO

>>51676063
But still quite good.

And I'd take saga I've WEG.

>>51677071
That's the one where Iomedae (the god leading the crusade) tortures the party of the fail at trivia or don't share her particular morals. It's one of the worst adventures they released.

And they decided traditional family roles are objective capital E Evil and oppressive to women and gays. I shit you not.

>>51677471
>Butthurt
Over 4e not being mechanically d&d enough for some people? Or the default lore changes that some d&d players considered too much to accept? Or over the PR nightmare caused themselves by discarding their large forgotten realms fans for 7 years? Or perhaps attacking their fans publicly? Or maybe robbing customers of access to their legally purchased PDFs shortly after 4e came out?

4e was a combination of very drastic mechanical and settings changes, along with a series of fucking self sabotaging business and PR decisions.

They alienated, discarded, and incited boycotts from many former happy customers.

As for Pathfinder? That's their fault too. They pulled Paizo's main revenue stream or from under them (dragon) and the original gsl was so terrible no business would touch it. So Paizo was forced to compete with WotC to stay in business, as were any other customers who were helping pro up WOTC during the 3e days.

>>51678162
Give me another game (other than 3.5) that does tactical reality warping high magic combat like level 10-16 tier 1-3 Pathfinder, has at least as flexible classes, a has half a dozen decent published campaigns, and at least one decent monster manual.

The closest I can think of is *maybe* HERO, which is on my to-play list as a potential Pathfinder alternative, but which I've yet to try.

>>51680067
GURPS actually. The best part is that the many many options aren't redundant bullshit like Pathfinder's.

>>51680354
I've played a bit of GURPS. People told me it can't handle high power games without falling apart. Is that incorrect?

>>51680421
To an extent, but it falls apart far less than Pathfinder. There are very few systems that can handle as many crazy super powers as GURPS as well.

>>51680067
Exalted
FantasyCraft

>>51680472
FC is low magic, and entirely unsupported. not even close.

Isn't exalted about absurd DBZ level numbers, not reality warping abilities? It's a game I've never played. Only heard bad things about it, and I'm not particularly enamored with storytell* as a game engine. It's gotten better over three years but my experience with it is either actively bad because it gives such inconsistent GM guidelines, or at it's best it's just a lesser Unisystem or lesser Shadowrun.

>>51680455
If I wanted to build a med-high level Pathfinder spellcaster (in terms of their mechanical capabilities and class features) how durable is it in GURPS to make something comparable?

If I'm gonna get my group to try switching to GURPS, they're going to want to see they can build the same kinds of highly versatile gonzo characters.

>>51680067
FantasyCraft

>>51680553
In Exalted you can punch someone so hard that reality unravels and when it snaps back together the guy punched becomes a duck, he isn't transformed into a duck, reality was rewritten to the tune of the guy was always a duck.

>>51680586
It isn't a bad idea, though it depends on what magic system you are using. In the basic magic system a reality warping wizard is more than viable. Other magic systems like Ritual Path and Sorcery require active GM intervention, so those will vary.

>>51680553
>FC is low magic,
So you've never actually looked at the game, fair.

>Exalted
So you admit to having never played it and only hearing hearsay and negative things, so you dismiss it automatically?
Just because it perfectly fits your criteria perfectly, but you are a little bitch doesn't change the fact that there are lots of better games than pathfinder.

Speaking of:

Savage Worlds with Super Power Companion
Godbound
Earthdawn
Fireborn (for modern fantasy)
Mutants and Masterminds
Wild Talents

I'm certain there are a couple dozen others, but from your response you obviously don't want any actual answers, you just want to jerk off to pathfinder more.

>>51680630
Sorcery has everything built like a superpower, right? And rpm is like DBZ charges combined with mage the Awakening magic?

>>51680668
FC

I have looked at the game. Did they finally release that mage supplement?

Are there level 5-8 spell equivalents I overlooked?

>>51680668
>>FC is low magic,
>So you've never actually looked at the game, fair.
Apparently, you haven't either.

The game works best with little magic because magic users fucking blow, it doesn't get a lot of support (MAGIC COMPENDIUM WHEN) and the spells that are there would make the Unchained Summoner laugh their asses off.

Yeah, you can play Pathfinder-style high magic, but unless you're intentionally gunning up the magical goods with the campaign rules it's surprisingly low to the ground.

>>51680678
Yeah, that's correct. RPM is my personal favorite, and it is pretty much Mage's system mechanically.

>>51680699
Beyond the fact that spells go from level 0 to 9?
Or did you 'look' at that and dismiss it because the numbers were to high and it scared you?

>>51680421
It's not that it can't handle high-power games, it's that it handles them in the exact same way as low-power ones. This becomes a problem if you try and play something like Lensman, where your basic character has 1000 points (ordinary humans have 50, supers have 300-500).

>>51680668
Nah. Just Pathfinder is passable if not great, and most of the "alternatives" I've tried have been awful in play, some looked unsure after reading the book and some of the alternatives I've simply heard are bad.

M&M was so boring in play that after a 1 year campaign I gave away my m&m books to a friend in my group on the condition that he never try to play it with us again.

Savage worlds, well I didn't play it with the super power companion, but I hated the Benny economy and HP system, and none of the alternate rules I've found for it have been better.

Goodbound, earthbound, and wild talents are all on my list of games I want to play.

Fireborn seemed okay, at least from reading. Haven't had any luck getting my group to play it or run it.

>>51680755
So how many points do you need to build something like a lever 12 Pathfinder wizard or druid?

What kind of point budget do you need for that?

>>51680773
*,While not great.

Realized that was ambiguous

>>51680773
>Fireborn seemed okay
And this is how I know you've never actually looked at any of these.

Fireborn is a sack of shit, unless you are a dragon otherkin, and if you are an otherkin then that would explain so much.

Still better than Pathfinder, though.

>>51680793
That depends on how many disadvantages your GM will let you take.

>>51680827

I recall Fireborn having some really interesting mechanical ideas, even if they didn't work all that well.

>>51680827
Again, never got to play it. And it can be hard to get an accurate assessment of how fun a game is our of the design is good until you do.

M&M seemed awesome, until the gameplay started. Then it was terrible.

It's easier however, to say "can I build a character like this" and see if the system supports it. In fc, magic did seem terrible. It also lacks a proper bestiary, a very small number of books, and no ongoing support that I can find.

I wanted to like FC, I really did, but it feels incomplete.

>>51680839
Let's assume 0, for the sake of math.

>>51680874
Hard to know if a mechanical idea will work out well until you see it in action. As I said, it looked neat.

>>51680911
>As I said, it looked neat.
So you are and Otherkin.

>>51680926
>Hurrdurr he thought a game where you get to play as a dragon sounded cool, he must be a furshit.
That mockery is all the response your bad baiting bs warrants.

>>51657383
No

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On the one hand, it's going to be filled with the usual SJW bullshit and overall Paizo-ness. On the other hand, PF has been adding so much sci-fi shit (space whales, several kinds of ayyliums, NANOMACHINES SON, the Technology Guide) that Pathfinder IN SPACE is a logical step forward. And, since my group is too stubborn to play anything other than PF and Vampire, this is probably the next best option. It's probably going to be shit, but at least it'll be shinier.

>>51680990

> my group is too stubborn to play anything other than PF and Vampire

You poor bastard.

>>51681017
The worst part is I live in a small town, so finding ANY sort of group in person is a lost cause. I've got to make do with who I've got.

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>>51680618
>>51680668
>can't even convince PFfags that Exalted is worth a glance

>>51681135
Exalted is almost as much of a garbage fire as PF.

>>51680959
Because it's a really bad game. Like, it should be obvious at first glance this is not a good game by any stretch of the imagination good.

Also, you don't play as a dragon, you play as "someone infused with a dragons soul, which makes you super special and awesome because you have been reincarnated as one of the true rulers of the world."

If you are going to try and insult me, at least get your facts straight.

>>51681149
No, it's more garbage than PF.

But watching these fags try to convince people to play "The Taste Of Shit In Your Mouth" and get shut down proves that everyone knows Exalted is the lowest form of RPG.

>>51681203
I'd say 3e is above PF. Not by a huge amount, but still.

>>51681203
Please, Exalted isn't anywhere close to Pathfinder in terms of shittyness.

The list goes Dogs in the Vineyard>>Golden Sky Stories>Exalted>DnD 3.5>>DnD 3.P>Blue Rose>Racial Holy War>F.A.T.A.L.

>>51681264

What's wrong with DitV or GSS?

>>51681275
Nothing, that's why they are at the top of the list.

You have to provide some context for what is good, to compare with what is shit.

>>51681300
Is there any system that can beat out Dogs when it comes to playing frontiersmen/cowboys/etc?

>>51681177
Youre the one making the insults. And last I checked the game features "play as a dragon in the past" and "assume dragon form" as core features.

But as I said, I never played it. Someone else wanted to GM it, had us build characters, then flaked out.

Mine was a Chinese dragon. Was that I was the prophecied reincarnated rightful dragon emperor of China, and there was a cult dedicated to fulfilling the prophecy that found me.

War against communist China to turn it back into a monarchy sounded like lots of fun.

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>>51681264
lol

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>>51681264

Dude, what's your beef with Blue Rose? I can dig if it's not a setting that appeals to you (although I like the watercolor unicorn utopia thing it's got going on), but the True20 system of the first version is pretty solid.

>>51685134
As with MyFaRoG it is a meme to hate it.

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>>51680976

correct

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>>51668817
SKR also did a backflip as soon as he was removed from the paizo payroll. He was almost certainly being used as a mouthpiece for Jason "i love wizurds so much i wanna suck that arcane bearded dick" Buhlman on the boards.

I fucking hate Jason Buhlman so much

>>51680019
This

>>51680019
The butthurt is real post.

>>51689665
The butthurt was justified.

>>51690100

Not really because it resulted in PF's stagnation and backsliding away from making 3.5 actually better, and ultimately caused 5e.

>>51676932
The bad guy races are never playable in the first book.

>>51680067
Fantasy Hero is a good answer if you want a game that does everything you said *and* you want martials and casters on equal footing (though you *could* try to recreate D&D magic scaling in Hero but it's a headache).

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>>51657383
>>d12s never get used for anythi-

>>51685134
Muh wimmins

>>51685151
It would probably get less hate if the creator didn't constantly spam it on /tg/ and refuse to post a pdf. At least a pdf exists for Blue Rose.

>Pathfinder rules

No, it's gonna be shit

>>51691073
This exists? Just googled it. Does it work well and is it worth the purchase, or is the .pdf floating around if I stop being lazy?

>>51685134
I think it's a "checkmate feminists" circle-jerk kind of thing.

>>51690670
Regardless of how you feel about Paizo, WotC have many people, many legitimate reasons to be pissed at them, in a short amount of time, and they got it.

Hell, if you hate Paizo, you can even justifiably blame WotC for their prominence.