Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

First for Dark Eldar! Long live the Eternal City!

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>>51655249
It's some unholy fusion of Tau and Marine

What kind of faggot paints his Tau?

First for the Silent King!

>>51655276
>I2
Fuck.

R8 this list.

Thinking of maybe dropping a Ranger squad for a Dragoon and exchanging the Ruststalkers with Infiltrators (and some wargear adjustments to get points for said infiltrators).

Thoughts?

So I'm getting back in to the game! My only problem is I don't know what army to start (I like them all). Any ideas for a fun army?

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>>51655298
I await ridicule.

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Lets see which Primarch /tg/ wants next!

http://www.strawpoll.me/12305973

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Roboute Guilliman, Imperator Secundus, claims this threat in the name of Terra and Macragge.

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Yvraine is cute!

>>51655313
If you can find room for 145 points, you can take Cawl instead of Dominus.
If you can find room for a knight all your wargear is free.

>>51655326
Obviously Vulkan.

Someone post that tournament win list or whatever the fuck it was were Eldar were at first with 42 wins.

>>51655350
Shush, anon. You will not trick me with your charms! Especially since unique characters and super heavies aren't allowed under 1000 in my store and sneaking in a Knight without anyone noticing is beyond my capabilities.

>>51655379
Brush up on tactical genius.

>>51655326
2 and 11.

>>51655349
It would be a nice model if it weren't for that stupid ass head dress.

If I buy one im gonna sculpt her some nice hair.

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>>51655379
Ask for 1001 point games.

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How's my list? The non-Covens part is supposed to represent the new Reborn Bladehost.

Fucking wonky ass Reaver point costs won't let me add much for 4 points.

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Behold your new overlord, Phill "Non-eldar tears for his belly" Kelly

>>51655412
>Phill "My eldar lost a game? Now aint that a shame..." Kelly

>>51655397
>he got dat yvraine with the good hair

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>>51655412

Only one man can stop him.

>>51655405
That shit bothers me, too. They cost 16 points for a unit meant to be taken in 3s, so you always end up with fucked up points unless you take 15 of them.

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Feedback and criticism welcome and appreciated!

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Hey guys, would you play my list? :^)

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Post yfw Roboute Guilliman wakes up in 40k just so he can finally meet Marneus Calgar, proclaim him his Spiritual Liege, then die peacefully.

>>51655441
Can he save orks and nids from drowning in the Crud?

>>51655441
While a terrible writer I do actually like most of his codices

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>>51655441
Help us, Spiritual Liege!

>>51655412
If he collects dark eldar and works on their codexes then why is it so shit?

>>51655456

Doesn't this require four troops?

>>51655441
>In our darkest hour, the Spiritual Liege returns to right the wrongs that occurred in his absence

Like pottery

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>>51655456
At least make it legal, faggot.

>>51655476
All of the Codexes released around the time of the current DE book were really stripped back and simplified. GW's studio seems to go through phases where they try and reign the game in, but then slowly let more and more power and complexity creep back in. The DE's 5th edition codex happened during one of those cycles; their 7th ed in the "simpler is better" phase.

>>51655309
Kroot

>>51655490
>The real story of the 40k end times.

>>51655454
What you gonna do against Artillery?

Awful.

>>51655454
Eradicator Russes aren't really putting the benefits of that formation to use.

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>>51655496

Vs this, I think I'd be alright

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Chaos Space Marines have gotten some pretty strong and fluffy rules in the new Traitor Legions supplement. If you've ever wanted to run CSM now's the time. (Except for TS...)

>>51655400
>>51655456
>>51655496
>>51655554
Memery aside, could I please get some feedback about the list?

Got a tourney next week and still need to assemble and paint either the Dragoon or the Sicarians.

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>>51655555
Witnessed.

Chaos babbies have no more reason to cry.

I honestly did not expect so many people to want Sanguinius

>>51655498
Such terrible luck...

I feel like we should have a joke codex that no one really cares about, that way they can test all their awful ideas on that.
oh wait, we already have that, it's called the Orks codex!

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>>51655555
This guy knows his shit.

>>51655555
As a long time csm player I agree. You won't hear any complaining from me.

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>>51655566

Ok, no memery, how about this?

>>51655309
You could run the Kakophani list from Traitor Legions.

Not exactly cheap points-wise, and good look with dealing with AA or AV14, but if you take the maximum number of units in the formation all your Sonic weapons gain +1 Strength. S9 AP3, Ignores Cover, Pinning, Shred on blastmasters is pretty fucking neato, and this list will generally make a mockery of any list that relies on Jink or other cover saves.

I am expressly forbidden from running this plus a Raptor Talon on urban maps at my store, because it's simply that goddamn annoying for my opponents to beat me. I still lose games, but I win much more than I lose.

>>51655454
This is extremely inefficient, I would recommend ditching the psykana and rolling with Ogryns.

>>51655555
>Except for TS
And word bearers, who's only real benefit is that they have an easier time bringing in units from a not-shit codex
>even in crunch they're massive cucks

>>51655555
As someone who plays CSM, totally agree. There's so many ways to build lists now, and some of them are really strong.

Just getting 'chapter tactics' and formations was enough really. Not quite god tier like loyalists, but plenty good.

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>>51655606
yeah, use the Ogryn Auxilia formation, honestly

>>51655570
I tell ya, before Traitor Legions I felt justified in complaining. My armies basically never won and couldn't do much before turn three. Once the World Eaters rules came out everything changed. Being able to, at max, move 36" on turn one has made my life so much better.

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>>51655555
While there are still some minor details I feel should have been fixed, and I didn't get everything on my wishlist WHY CAN'T I TAKE SORCERERS IN MY KAKOPHANI LIST TO GET +1 STRENGTH ON MY +1 STRENGTH REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE I'm honestly more than happy with the book.

It puts us in upper mid/lower upper (depending on the day) and generally facilitates running fluffy lists. That's more than enough for me.

>>51655405
Try an army that's not shit.

>>51655555
>tfw Word Bearers
>the only benefit my list gets is free VotLW
>useless summoning bonuses
>Possessed as troops when Possessed are utter garbage.
GW, pls. I hate summoning. I really do.

>tfw found out that Crimson Slaughter have a relic that turns your HQ into a Daemon
WHY

>>51655628
Oh, absolutely. Pre-TL there's reason to complain. Post TL, with fluffy and decent formations. Nope, none. Sorry someone's favorite legion didn't get super-buffed, but before TL you were stuck playing regular Chaos Marines painted as that legion, now you can actually do a fluffy representation of it.

>>51655608
>And word bearers, who's only real benefit is that they have an easier time bringing in units from a not-shit codex

But they do that in the fluff all the time. That, cause mass possession, incite cult rebellions to act as meat shields, and fail to win any lasting victory over the Ultramarines are really their bread and butter.

>>51655628
I was already pretty happy with KDK. I could finally run marines with daemons again the way Chaos should be.

>>51655555
As a Batmans player, I mostly agree, though their rules are still meh. It would be nice without the "ALL RAPTORS ALL THE TIME!!!!" aspect. I just want to run my legion of cowardly murder hobos. Also, not having access to drop pods that aren't 100pts still feels wrong as NL. We don't even have any infiltration for the sneaky surprise attack.

Pros:
Stealth is sweet
Raptor CAD troops are better than CSM
Fear is good against eldar
Cheap Decurion potential even if a Warband is generally better
Decent relics with one notable one

Cons:
Fear is utterly useless against anything that isn't eldar
No bonuses to actually fighting
No pods
No surprise tactics

It's definitely better than it was because it's all free, but it doesn't feel like Night Lords.

>>51655658
Thats because the Crimson slaughter are batshit crazy

>do YOU hear the voices too

>>51655535
What would you recommend instead, the Eradicators were a cost cutting measure.

>>51655661
Yeah, but it means running say, a Khornate Word Bearers list, is basically impossible. They're built entirely around summoning spam, which feels a bit bland

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>>51655698
Yes

>>51655704
>tfw running Khornate Word Bearers

Why

>>51655441
>leave kelly to me

>>51655661
Hench the "even in crunch"

Butcherhorde - 1250pts
Chaos Lord - MoK, Sigil, Axe of Blind Fury, Jump Pack, Meltabombs
Khârn

3x Chaos Terminators - MoK, 2x Combi-melta, Chainfist

10x CSM - MoK, 2x Melta, BP+CCWs
10x CSM - MoK, 2x Melta, BP+CCWs
10x CSM - MoK, BP+CCWs, Meltabombs

5x Raptors - MoK, 2x Melta-guns
5x Havocs - MoK, 4x Autocannons

Aux
Chaos Spawn - MoK

Do I stand a chance with a list like this? My only experience with the tabletop so far comes from watching batreps so I don't exactly have a firm grasp on power levels. I imagine I'd get shot off the board by competitive lists but could it work in a slightly more casual meta? Looking at it a second time, maybe it'd be better to have the Lord ditch the jump pack for the 3" extra move talisman?

>>51655711
I don't see why WB don't get anything that actually buffs Posessed or Warp Talons, seeing as how they're the only CSM Daemons in the codex, iirc.

And the Crimson Slaughter thing is weird, yeah. The WB should have a relic like that, tbqh.

>>51655792
I think they should have made it so Word Bearers units with the Daemon rule get the appropriate 'Daemon of' rule if they buy a mark.

So possessed with Mark and Daemon of Slaanesh for example.

>>51655702

Drop the multi-melta sponsons off of the Vanquishers and see where that takes you

>>51655810
That would be great. Vice-versa too for stuff like Daemon Princes.

>Khorne Daemon Prince with Axe of Blind Fury potentially having 13 attacks on the charge
HNNG

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>>51655326
>yfw the Blood Angels' prophecy of a "golden warrior defending the Emperor during a battle to overshadow all others" refers to Sanguinius' return after Mephiston exsanguinates himself over the primarch's coffin and the Sanguinor inhabits the body.

Has anyone played the Imperium Superfriends list from the Fall of Cadia book yet?

I'm waiting for the book to arrive and am thinking about building a guard-central force.

What's your ideal list from the formation?

>>51655844
Yeah. It's be a great way to encourage a Daemon heavy list without just making them summoning experts.

>Order 3 sslyth
>They come without bases

get your shit together gw

>>51655275
>t. eldar player

>>51655326
>Lets see which Primarch /tg/ wants next!
Vulkan this low
you all disgust me.

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>>51655326
I want a chaos'd out Lion

And I want the Ynnari to fight Fulgrim and exorcise the demon from him, turning him loyal again

>>51655871
Totally. All they'd need to do is give Warp Talons and Posessed to ignore cover for the purposes of charging and they'd be a LOT better.

Heck, if Posessed had good models and both they and Warp Talons had assault grenades, I'd totally run them.

>Daemon Prince
>Posessed
>Posessed
>Warp Talons
>Warp Talons
>Maulerfiend
>Maulerfiend
>Maulerfiend
All Khornate.

>>51655907
she controls the dead, not daemons

the best she could do is maybe bringing back Ferrus Mannus to give Fulgrim some of that good Iron Head

>>51655704
word bearers are rigid in their undivided worship, the centralized power of their warbands and their organized structures means that you don't get offshoots.
it would be counter to most facts about them to see a group worshiping one god rather than the entire group.

>>51655923
to become a demon, powertwink ate a planet worth of soulstones

>>51655864
That's what I want to do too, but I'm not sure what to do. Since they have Hatred already, I thought it would be fun to put in someone like Jacobus to give combat buffs and go for some blobs since doing First Rank Second Rank is better than charging, having Fearless, Hatred and Counter-Attack would be the perfect set up to be charged. I would probably do a platoon of Guardsmen and then do 3 squads of Scions for some mobility or capturing far objectives. Then I would round it off by doing some Wyvern and Lemans.

It's always tempting to do Coteaz for Objective Secured and anti-deepstrike stuff. Carfax also seems like an okay choice.

>>51655864

I'm going to try and do it with Sisters and Scions.I'll probably hate myself when the game goes down, but it's just terribly fluffy to me, and i can't resist.

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>>51655924
There's actually like three or four Khorne dedicated WB warbands, The Sanctified actually summoned An'ggrath at Vraks.

Hilariously, the best way to represent The Sanctified's Daemonmancers would be to use a Word Bearers Chaos Lord with the WT that gives +1ML and Malefic Daemonology, plus all the WB Daemon Summoning bonuses.

I feel like Deathwatch should have gotten specific relics for dealing with each xeno race

>Phase sword that ignores Reanimation protocols
>Particle emitter that disrupts markerlights
>That one soulstone-encrusted storm shield so eldar units dont want to shoot at you
>Improved Auspex for countering GSC infiltrate


etc

Had my first game of 40k today against guard, ended up losing in the kill point scenario 8-5 but definitely had a blast. Never realized that I needed more fusion and general hight str in my list, the AV 14 on his tanks was insane. Putting crisis suits on deep strike might have also been a no go, they didn't come in for a while. He was worried about my riptide and ghostkeel but at one each and no formations they weren't too bad. Also, pathfinder die way to fast, his pieplates were just too much for my poor scouts.

Stealth suits are goddamned amazing and I'm getting more.

/blog

>>51655991
It be fluffy, but then you would be list tailoring most of the time you brought them.

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>>51655555
>Except TS

Why God, why are we yet again thrown in the dirt?

Man, I just like magic. Why must GeeDubs be so cruel?

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>>51656067
Play 30k, where TSons actually have love

>>51655435

Phill "Eldar best, fuck the rest" Kelly

>>51655531
We're the Guard, man.

We march straight through the artillery fire, and like it.

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>>51656067
I hate summoning, which means my legion's rules throw me under a bus, mate.

Let us suffer together.

>>51656077
B-but anon... I love Tzeentch too much for pre-heresy sons...

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>>51656121
We can only hope, space Jihadi's

>>51656077

Aren't they game breakingly powerful now that Inferno's out? Like, 40k Magnus is retarded, but at least he doesn't have a 36" D bubble.

Hey DE friends, I really want to buy a Razorwing because it looks cool as fuck and would make a nice centrepiece (also considering a Tantalus for the same reasons, fuck yeah Tantalus).

Is it any good? Everyone calls the Voidraven shit but I'm pretty sure I remember reading that the RWJF is better.

I don't have an airbrush but I can paint vehicles acceptably. Will the Razorwing be more difficult?

Does anyone have either the Razorwing and/or Tantalus and want to chime in about whether it was worth it?

I'm a bit of a poorfag (not that bad really) so would rather only buy one of the two for now and I want one that will be playable and also fun to paint and all that. I asked my group and they'll let me field either, flyers don't get that much play in our group but at the local shop there's a decent number of them.

>>51656022
Reserves can be pretty annoying and deepstriking is a bit dangerous but when the roll goes in your favor you can pull off some game changing stuff.

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>>51656121
We stand together brother, someday our time will come.

>>51656150
Magnus is fucking banannas, but the rest of the rules are pretty good.

Just dont be an ass with magnus and everything will be fine. 30k isnt about WAACfagging anyway

>>51656152
Razorwing is more point efficient, and it's actually better if you take 2 instead of 1 if I recall. I want one or 2 myself and a Voidraven because it's so fucking beautiful.

>>51655593
Would happily wreck with my Genestealer Cult.

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>>51656147
Tbqh I see AL as Space Jihadi more.
>train insirgents
>get them insurgents fanatical
>no one even notices you're there
>it's usually too late by the time they do
I see WB more as Crusaders/Black Templars, but Evil.

>>51656158
>tfw run Khornate Word Bearers
Unsure if I should agree or slaughter.

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I've been having a spat with my group /40kg/. In the CSM codex it says that a disc of Tzeentch is a jetbike which gives +1 from it being a bike, but my friends don't think it should because unlike the Palanquin or Juggernaut it doesn't explicitely state it gives extra T even though Palanquins and Juggernaut steeds don't already have dedicated rules for them like jetbikes.

Who's right?

>>51656167

People still do, though.

I play Edge Lords, so it's pretty much impossible for me to WAAC anyway.

>>51656211
You, because it's a Jetbike

>>51656211
They're wrong. If it says it's a jetbike, it's a jetbike.

>>51656216
>>51656219
Ok good, if that codex had been trying to push me to pay 30 points for 6 more movement I would have lost my mind.

>>51656174

Yeah I also want a Voidraven since it's our best looking vehicle imo, but like I said I'd rather get something I can actually use. Maybe I'll just suck it up and buy it anyway because it seriously looks good.

>>51656242
I will once I save up enough. My stupid ass missed out on a $35 NiB Voidraven on eBay last week...

>>51656174
Now would you rather take a 2nd RZJF or a 6 man squad of Reavers w/HLs and Caltrops?
Since i'm the only DE player in my area, i really get to debate this

>>51655504
Real cute
>>51655596
I've thought about this before actually. I really like Emperor's Children. My only beef with this idea is just how samey the models would look. If I remember right there like 1 sonic blaster sculpt.

>>51656279
That's just an excuse to kitbash.

>>51656269
I'd probably take the Reavers. But you get 6 Fast Attack slots if you take our detachment so it should be no problem. If you're planning on doing the Reborn Bladehost like I am, we only get 3 FA slots.

>>51656279
I'm sure there are many scale-appropriate megaphone models you can buy from all over the place.

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>>51656279
You know what you have to do.

>>51656307
Noice, now my Reavers will see more play than just GoC

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So Im trying to get my first 40k army 'finished' so I can save for scuba gear, any Tau players have any experience/advice with;
>Shas' o R Myr
>Shas'o R'alai
>Aun 'Va

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How does this look for a 1k casual list? My plan is to stab my foes well frothing at the mouth.

>Not using squads of 8

back to the drawing board

>>51656392

Spawn tax on decurions is the dumbest shit

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I'm looking for MSPaint-able template for Mark 4 style power armor, where can I find one? Google has been no real help to me.

I did find one for Mark 7 power armor, so if someone does not have it here it is.

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>orkz are a melee race!
>I2
>S3
>no natural FNP
>useless psykers
>useless transports
>useless walkers
>useless vehicles in general
>only reliable ap2 is melee and costs 25 points a pop
>overpriced fucking everything
>no good formations
>literally the worst army in the game, our 5th edition codex is a better choice and I would rather have it still
>treated with 0 dignity in the lore, not even a slight threat in any way, a true NPC race
>to top it all off one of the most goddamn expensive armies in the game to buy an army for
>Oh and GW fucking hates us for some reason, Orkz 8th Ed confirmed to be hit with another nerf bat
>mfw

>>51656392
drop one of the units, give your champions some power fists or weapons

Anyone got a pic of the firestream wing formation sheet? Or can at least tell me the rules and composition

>>51656569
>>Oh and GW fucking hates us for some reason, Orkz 8th Ed confirmed to be hit with another nerf bat

How so anon?

>>51656370
>so I can save for scuba gear

As another hobbyist who has a much more expensive hobby than 40k, let me tell you that you're just going to end up constantly buying 40k shit because it'll always be "I could buy a ton of 40k shit right now, ORRRRRR I could wait several months to buy one piece of gear out of the several pieces I need".

>>51656569
Question is who's fucked over more, 'nids or Orks? You know, now that I think of it I never see 'nid players post here.

>>51656569
This and the fact that I thought I'd enjoy having Tau models more is why I didn't start with Orks. Hell, the ridiculous point values alone

Fucking hell, GW. I know they're a bunch of idiots with shitty tech in universe but this is a fucking game. At least let them field an inexhaustible green tide

>>51656683
The Nid players are probably sick of trying to put together lists only to be told by us to take Flyrants.

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>>51656683
>You know, now that I think of it I never see 'nid players post here.

I notice this as well. There's plenty of Eldar/Dark Eldar, Space Marine, Chaos, Tau and even fucking Sisters discussion with the occasional Necron and Ork player here and there but it's rare I see anyone say anything about Tyranids.

Poor guys. They've given up and crawled away, forgotten and abused.

>>51656683
They rise from the shadows whenever they're mentioned in any real capacity

Nids are one of the bestselling lines after marines so there would have to be a decent amount of nid players.

>>51656683
Same boat really, they both need a lot of love atm.

Seems like GW knows nids are in trouble, and apparently think orks are fine though

>>51656683
I play Tyranids, but it basically boils down to not having much to talk about

There isn't a lot to discuss list wise, fluff wise, or idea wise. All the problems with the current codex have been discussed to death since before 7e even dropped.

I'm working on a Kill Team for a game tomorrow against my friend's Tau. Planning on bringing a Hive Guard to make sure I've got some ranged firepower.

>>51656713
I know Guard players were posting here a bunch of a little bit, but I've also noticed a huge decrease in them posting. Did they all play some games and get stomped?

>>51656761
No, Guard players are just quiet.

>>51656717
Most of these players are casual and don't troll mongolian horse boards. If they did, they'd have picked another army. A good 'nid player, in today's environment, is someone who picked their army because it looks cool and it's one of the most fun armies to paint in theory, with tons of centerpieces to work around.

Either that or they played back in 3rd and they're either bitter and jaded, or don't know how to use a computer due to their tiny bug-focused minds.

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>>51656744
This.

Also its just imo but it seems like the ork players are a bit riled up because apparently GW have been vocal about orks being fine, and almost what id call condescending at times, intentional or not.

Theyre really fired up!
Did we mention hes mad?

>>51656761
nope, just quiet
our army got massacred with the nerf and deletion bat, but not to Ork or Nid extent

Does anybody know if the Sisters of Battle command squad actually comes with a heavy flamer or just a regular flamer?

>>51656761
I don't know if I count since I'm just a future Guard player and all, but I'm quiet since I'm building lists.

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from the last thread.


look dudes, my painting proves its an optic!

>>51656830

No, you just don't know how to cheese. If Chaos Renegades can be a top army, so can IG. Just take 9+ Quad Mortars and Rapier Laser Destroyers. Granted, you'll just be a shittier Renegades army but you'll still be able to top.

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>>51656279
>If I remember right there like 1 sonic blaster sculpt.

2 technically. The Forgeworld one is pretty good, but doesn't have a Blastmaster.

>>51656875
I ended up kitbashing mine using Grey Knight Psilencers with Warpflame Gargoyles for the barrels.

>want to have an army of a fuckton of chaos terminators
>one of the worst box sets i've seen
GW, I want to give you my money, but you are making it very difficult.

>>51656858

You mean the set from the website? Never buy those. There's no discount, so just buy the models you want.

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>>51656541
Search for "lineart"

>>51655276
>>51655294
The Silent King has an ornate metal body that seems much more advanced than normal Necrons (see: Word of the Silent King). They certainly could choose to give him higher initiative.

>>51656152
My friend has a tantalus, it's a beautiful model, and it wrecks the shit out of my CSM
I absolutely recommend it if your kabal has a lot of Raiders for the overall aesthetic

>>51656917
you should see the Havocs

>>51656941
only the most advanced necro dermis body for the king of kings

>I3

>>51655846
That's Ra anon, he's coming back.

>>51656982
No EW

Are new Necrons built? Do they need to replenish their troops?

>>51657027
Bodies are rebuilt, but the programs stay the same.

Most of the goons are just mindless slaves anyways. Only nobles really have intelligence.

>>51657027
There examples of new Necrons bodies being built but without Necron souls in them. Theres other examples of Necrons being put into new bodies after 'dying'. Other times Necrons phase out instead of being destroyed.

It's what ever you want really.

>>51656964
Havocs are trivial to make with normal CSM and Forgeworld weapon packs.Unfortunately the only Termies you can rescue with Forgewrold right now are Nurgle Terminators.

>>51656810
>>51656830
>>51656860
Fellow Guardsmen. If I take Camo Gear for the Company Command squad it says 2 points per model but only specifies that the Veterans can take it. Does that mean the whole squad gets +1 Cover even though the Commander doesn't have Camo Gear?

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>>51656761
RL happened and I had to stop playing my dudes. Still hoping for a GOOD and WELL FILLED OUT Stormtrooper codex kinda hoping that FW would do an IA though with how long IA14 is taking I ain't holdinh my breath. maybe some Plastic Kasrkins as well A new codex would be nice but theres armies that need it more.

>>51657104
Also if you take Regimental Advisors they won't get Camo Gear either, so do they get a +1 Cover save?

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>>51657088
>he only Termies you can rescue with Forgewrold right now are Nurgle Terminators.
it's a shame zerker terminators aren't nearly as badass as they were in 2e

>>51657104
Iirc, the Commander can buy it from the special equipment table.

And no, only the models wearing them get them, iirc.

>>51657112
Again, it's a model by model basis.

I'm assuming SM and IG camo cloaks are the same, which means it's a model, rather than a unit.

>>51657027
Every Necron is one that is at least 60 million years old. No new necrons are made, when Necrons "die" their personality (what small fraction of it is left) and damaged body are phased to their tomb world or tomb ship to be restocked or repaired with new necrodermis. This "phase-out" appears to onlookers as a bright green flash. Should a necron ever take enough damage to where repair is impossible, it will explode in a flash identical to the phase-out, making it impossible for attackers to know if the metal skeleton is dead or not.

tl;dr: Necrons can't me be made but can be repaired. Only rarely are they destroyed so while the faction is running a net loss it's too slow of a loss with too high a number of available warriors to be any fear.

>>51657110
I would love to see some plastic Kasrkin too. The whole reason why I have a Tempestus Scions squad in my army is to showcase the amazing Kasrkin models.

>>51657125
Sadly they have been out of stock for a long ass time.

>>51656931
I'm not gonna get a discount anywhere out of sisters though. I was just wondering if their description or photo was wrong.

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>>51656933
That term had not occurred to me. Thank you.

>>51657155
oh, dang

I understand why they do it, but it's still annoying

>finally have the capital and spare time to indulge in getting my AI wing back together
>ebay prices are at $150~ for three planes
I could almost get two 40k scale thunderbolts for that price. More, if I went counterfeit.

anybody got a good writeup on why 1ksons suck? They dont seem that bad unless your tryhard 100000

Hey guys. My shop is starting an escalation league and I've never had enough models to play more than 1000 pts before so I'm thinking of running Harlequins. Yes, or double yes?

*DISCLAIMER*

I don't expect to win, but I don't wanna paint Tau and that's what I'm between.

>>51657193
The FACTION is okay if only because of Magnus. Sorcerors aren't awful either (Tzeentch Daemons are better, though).

Rubrics:

>overcosted
>no options
>niche role

>>51657193
too specialized in a task that doesn't really need specialization
ultimately just really expensive marines

they're passable with auxiliary units/vehicles, and the sorcerer HQs are solid, but you're basically better off with generic chaos marines

>>51657193
Basically, it boils down to AP 3 only really helping against Marines in the open, and the 4+ Invuln not really mattering if they're just targeted by massed firepower.

Since they pay a lot of points for both of those, along with the additional cost of a Sorcerer, the result is an expensive squad that isn't very killy and isn't as survivable as it sounds.

>>51657210

Isn't being good at shooting MEQ a pretty good role to be stuck in, though?

>>51657193
Basically boils down to they cost way too much

>>51657249
Not when that's literally your whole faction.

At least Scions can deepstrike, are cheaper, and can take useful special weapons alongside their AP 3.

>>51657249
Not if your enemy is running tanks. Or flyers. Or TEQ. or GEQ.

GEQ because the AP3 is wasted except on Tech-priests and Straken.

TEQ because the AP3 is wasted.

>Make rubricae flamers rending
>Give them 3++ and FnP
>Give them Deep Strike
>Let the Scarab Occult trade power swords for power/chainfists. Also give them 2 wounds, 3++ and FnP
TSons fixed

>>51656713
I've always hated biotech so 'nids hold no appeal for me

>>51657193
>They dont seem that bad unless your tryhard 100000
Please post an example list so I can laugh.

>>51656872
The reason Renegades are really good is because they can take zombies for 3 points or something rather than 5 point+ guys. They also swarm better and have better saves with FNP and fearless.

Plus Barrage Tyrant pushes them over the edge to control the mid field. They also are often taken as allies rather than as singular force.

(They are not the top army either SM, Eldar and other -Star armies are)

>>51656713
Problem is same as Oldcrons. They have no real lore to speak of.

They can't really pull the same trick as crons on Nids, though. Not sure what could make them interesting to discuss.

>>51657249
It might be, by if you're in a Firefight with say, a tactical squad, you're not really getting a benefit out of the 4+ invuln, because they just have bolters, and the AP 3 matters less if they're standing in some rubble and have 5+ cover.

The bonuses don't work really well together, and you pay nearly double the points for all of it. In almost every case you're probably better off just buying twice as many normal marines.

>>51657199
it's a little hard to do 1k harlequins, but from what i've seen they're alright. beat my ass soundly, though the player plays more and was more tactical while i made a few obvious blunders

if you buy the box set, idk the name right now, you get a decent amount of models. you could use eldrad as a shadowseer even

>>51657199
Harlequins should be fine for escalation. Just keep in mind that at large enough point values they kind demand that you expand via Craftworld or Dark Eldar. They don't scale up to something like 1850 or 2000 points particularly well.

>>51657193
I've tried so many variations of the War Cabal anon. You just don't get your points value back for the bodies. TSons are good but their cost destroys any viability of a list not backed by Daemons or regular marines.

>>51657286
I would say Rending on the flamers and 2 wounds fixes a lot of it. Also, giving them normal flamers instead of gimmicky ones. Rending Flamers helps their cover worried a bit, and 2 wounds makes them more resilient against small arms, and begs people to waste high strength weapons on instant death only to have the 4++ save them.

Letting them take AP 3 Heavy Bolters with SnP would be good too.

>>51657316
Have them actually do something important. Have their few named units do cool shit. Introduce new types of units (since they fucked up all the old ones l)

>>51657315
Even then most discussions about Necrons boil down to either asking why they haven't won yet since they've finished science and are theoretically immortal and immune to the 2 most dangerous factions or arguing about how oldcrons/newcrons are better than newcrons/oldcrons.

What are some ways to make bases look nice with models glued on already? Is texture paint/glue+sand the only way

>>51657314
>muh 5 points per model

Take Conscripts genius

>>51657314
>They are not the top army either SM

Latest LVO: 0 SM tops, 1 DA top, 1 Renegades top

Winning Renegades list had 4 quad mortars and 9 laser destroyers

get good faggot

>>51657249
no? Killing MEQs isn't something you need expensive AP3 guns for.

Honestly just giving them regular bolters/flamers with a significant point cut would make them almost playable. And give the mandatory psyker some extra utility/unit buffing abilities (including one to drop S&P for a turn so you can overwatch with all those flamers).

>>51657286
>Also give them 2 wounds, 3++ and FnP
come on now

>>51657302
I don't like them just because they hold the least personality for me. In a game literally about Your Dudes, the last thing I'd want is an army of personality-lacking bugs. I don't have any animosity for people who like Nids mind you, I've just never been able to really like them as a playable faction.

>>51657163

The description is the one to go with iirc.

>>51657315
They could use som kind of 'creator' of the nids, like it was done withe the alien movies. Or having them actually run from something. But that would require decent writing, mostly describing stuff inderectly and dropping hints here and there. And I guess that would overwhelm the reading comprehension of the 40kids GW wants to sell their miniatures to.

>>51657371
Little bit of texture paint and spare buts, even just cutting a sprue into bitsome of brick or driftwood
My favorite is putting spare arms or weapons on larger bases

>>51657371

Just rip the models off the bases. No matter how you do up your bases, it's always a million times easier to do the base separately then glue the model on afterwards. If you don't want to pin and think the model won't be able to glue on your scenery properly, mark off the footprint with tape or putty and don't put any basing material on there. If your basing material is thick as fuck, make plasticard shims to raise the model's height. If it's cork mountain level thick, you need the miniature to not be on the base anyway, so just pin it.

>they were plastic glued

This is why you don't use plastic glue.

>>51657397
>1 DA
DA/SW

>>51657392
FNP and Fearless pushes them way above their worth.

Confirmed Tau player.

>>51657417

Neither DA nor SW are SM and none of those lists used units or builds that SM can make without allying DA and SW.

>>51657418

You can easily give Conscripts Fearless. You can find a way to give them FnP too.

>>51657402
Your dudes is only one option though. There is an entire story full of characters and armies, like every single named HQ.

Not everyone wants to use special snowflake chapter's smashfucker

>>51657413
>This is why you don't use plastic glue.
What are you supposed to use?

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I made some major changes from the previous list.
What do y'all think?

The Scions squad is mostly to showcase the Kasrkin models as stated earlier.

>>51657199
>I don't wanna paint Tau

I was under the impression they already come painted.

>>51657370
Nah, there's discussion about Trazyn and the Silent King from time to time.

Good point about having "finished science" though. I guess the argument is that they haven't really fully awoken yet and are at merely a fraction of their power.

>>51657444
Super glue is one option but can be kind of a bitch.

Honestly it's not that hard to base stuff when glued. Just be careful.

Got the Tzeentch Daemons start collecting, how should I upgrade my herald if I don't plan on tossing him on the chariot?
Also, should I give him the bird head or make him moonman?

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Is this or is this not an amazing list?

Go on try to poke some holes in it... I'm waiting

>>51656683
>Question is who's fucked over more, 'nids or Orks?

Well it used to be a race to the bottom between Orks, Nids and Chaos. DE would always sort of hover nearby but Hammonculous Covens drags them up enough.

Nids however figured out the Flyrant spam list which is actually quite decent. It's cheesy and completely monobuild, and 90% of the codex is utter trash. It's just that Flyrants are good enough to drag the whole codex up to a semi-acceptable level, if you're willing to spam them.

CSM didn't have much until Traitor Legions, at which point they got a massive shot in the arm.

Which leaves Orks, who got bent over and ravaged by the FAQ, which all but deleted one of the units that was holding us up, Tankbustas. With out-of-print Forgeworld rules, Orks can be better, but they're unquestionably the worst of the lot. It's much the same case as Nids, except the Nids have one or two units that manage to salvage the whole codex, whereas Orks just have nothing.

How's this for a friendly tau list? Mainly comprised of models I have, 1498 pts

Infiltration Cadre
Pathfinder Team [4x Pathfinder]
Pathfinder Team [4x Pathfinder]
Pathfinder Team [4x Pathfinder]
TX4 Piranhas
TX4 Piranha [Automated Repair System, Fusion Blaster]
XV25 Stealth Battlesuits
3x Stealth Shas'ui with Burst Cannon Early Warning Override
XV25 Stealth Battlesuits
3x Stealth Shas'ui with Burst Cannon [Vectored Retro-Thrusters]


Piranha Firestream Wing (220pts)
TX4 Piranha (Team Leader) [Burst Cannon, Disruption Pod]
TX4 Piranhas
TX4 Piranha [Burst Cannon, Disruption Pod]
TX4 Piranhas
TX4 Piranha [Burst Cannon, Disruption Pod]
TX4 Piranhas
TX4 Piranha [Burst Cannon, Disruption Pod]

++ Formation Detachment (Tau Empire: Codex (2015) v2005) (361pts) ++

+ Formation (361pts) +

Firebase Support Cadre (361pts)
XV104 Riptide Battlesuits
Riptide Shas'vre [Early Warning Override, Ion Accelerator, Stimulant Injector, Twin-linked Plasma Rifle]
XV88 Broadside Battlesuits
Broadside [Advanced Targeting System, Twin-linked Heavy Rail Rifle, Twin-linked Smart Missile System]
XV88 Broadside Battlesuits
Broadside [Advanced Targeting System, Twin-linked Heavy Rail Rifle, Twin-linked Smart Missile System]

++ Combined Arms Detachment (Tau Empire: Codex (2015) v2005) (520pts) ++

+ HQ (60pts) +

Cadre Fireblade (60pts)
+ Elites (341pts) +
XV8 Crisis Battlesuits (171pts)
Crisis Shas'ui [Early Warning Override, 2x Plasma Rifle]
Crisis Shas'ui [Early Warning Override, 2x Plasma Rifle]
Crisis Shas'ui [Early Warning Override, 2x Plasma Rifle]
XV95 Ghostkeel Battlesuits (170pts)
Ghostkeel Shas'vre [Cyclic Ion Raker, Early Warning Override, Stimulant Injector, Twin-linked Flamer]
Troops (119pts)
Strike Team (64pts) [6x Fire Warrior with Pulse Rifle]
DS8 Tactical Support Turret [Missile Pod]

Strike Team (55pts) [5x Fire Warrior with Pulse Rifle]
DS8 Tactical Support Turret [Missile Pod]

>>51657459
>taking a screenshot
>deliberately cropping it to remove the points and other important info
4/10 I had to reply

>>51657440
You can, without reaching for allies you can put a commissar and pick up Primaris Psykers and try rolling on Bio for (That whatever named spell). On advantage you need 3 of them of roll the right power.

That makes that squad 175 before buying conscripts. Plague zombies come in lots of 20 for 60 points.

>>51657459
deus/10

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>>51657459
whoops figured out how to do it right.

>>51657468
For you
>>51657490

>>51657464
What did the FAQ do to Tankbustas?

>>51657490
Much better. I give it a deus/vult for effort but it needs more fists.

>>51657498

You can only use 1 grenade in assault now, instead of each model with one getting a single attack.

The powerful part of Tankbustas was that they all got melta-bombs, so if you needed something like a Knight taken out, you'd run a suicide squad of Bustas in and they'd almost certainly kill it. Now, they can't do that, and their rokkits haven't been able to blow up non-open topped vehicles for two editions now.

Mega-nobz with Killsaws can do the same trick, but they're much more expensive, and a Knight can typically kill two of them before they get to swing, meaning you need to commit a hefty force. Bustas had the advantage of being cheap.

Whilst that might not seem like such a big deal, Knights show up a lot, and Orks simply have nothing at range that can deal with them. So when your main way of taking them out just got taken away, it's going to have a major impact on the army.

>>51657458
Random question but does it come with a formation? Because 1 troops choice isnt a CAD, which I think is a weird Start Collecting kit.

Moon face is best face btw.

>>51657210
if you play against mostly marine players do the costs even out?

>>51657211
So just run Standard chaos marines in place of rubrics and everything else how i normally would?

>>51657238
Yeah invulns arent really the tits unless vs plasma or something but hey its something

>>51657328
what about the Grand formation?

>>51657524
No, unfortunately. It came with a formation for AoS, but not one for 40k.
How do I play Tzeentch daemons in a fun way? I'm getting Thousand Sons too, even with how bad they are said to be, but I decided to cash in on the daemons first.

>>51657471
>hur dur muh plague zombies

Fuck off faggot I've been telling you fucks to run Zombies for years when you were all crying about CSM being shit, but you dipshits kept wailing about the Typhus tax when all you had to do was take more Zombies to offset the point cost of Typhus, plus you have to take an HQ anyway.

>>51657440
>Neither DA nor SW are SM
Yeah. I was just a different anon being pedantic.

>>51657562
>No, unfortunately.
Rude. Considering you have to buy so many models I wish you good luck. Each horrors box needs two blue horror boxes.

>How do I play Tzeentch daemons in a fun way?
Depends how many points youre going for mate. A guy at my FLGS plays full Tzeentch Daemons but he's collected for years so he changes though most of the formations as he pleases. One things for that though is that you need a lot of models. Embrace the randomness as well. IT will win you as many games as it loses you.

>I'm getting Thousand Sons too
I mean if you have too...

>>51657551
>So just run Standard chaos marines in place of rubrics
More or less. Basic marines can grab two special weapons and cost like a third of what rubrics do.

Inferno bolters and invulnerable saves are all well and good, but paying for that shit on every basic grunt ain't worth it. Especially since most marines are going to be in transports that the rubrics barely scratch.

>>51657518
Tankbustas really sum up Orks to me. It's a dedicated ranged anti-tank unit, who is stuck using short ranged Krak missiles instead of an actual anti-armor weapon.

It's very innacurate, but they still pay about as many points for it. Their main option to kill things is in melee, at which point they get an option other armies have, but is brought down by initiative 2 and just not being enough.

>>51657566
>Huge tax for CSM plague zombies
>Meanwhile Renegades get them for a pittance.

>>51655326
>Sangpenis so high
BTFO he ain't ever coming back

Let's play a phone poster game. Type your favorite Primarch, then keep tapping the predicitive text until it forms a sentence:

Curze had forsight and saw his own army. I am going to be honest it is a Demon Primarch and he calls them hot dogs.
I did two sentences because it worked out better

>>51657681
Russ is a nigger

>>51655400
What show is this?

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>>51655326
>All this loyalist filth

Disgusting.

>>51657681
Lion El' Johnson and I was wondering if you have a great day especially if you have a nice name.

>>51657681
Sanguinius has been a while before she was hospitalized

What did it mean by this?

>>51657464
Orks nids have some usable units and GW really seems to not understand orks at all, as evidenced by the stupid comments on the ork FAQ as they disregard valid rules issues and nerf bustas.

Also apparently this GW twitch stream "Orks are fine." bullshit i keep hearing about.

>>51657696
Impressively accurate

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Here's some old timey music to remember what that ol' time Ecclesiarcy was like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFRa0KZsGhc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy-sVTaZRPk

>>51657727

Frankly I'd be shocked if GW came out and said "Orks are in a bad place right now" because those streams are as much marketing as White Dwarf is.

That being said, every time I see those guys saying "Orks are great" I get a little more bile building up inside.

Hey, /40kg/, rate from 0 to 10 how triggered you are.
I'm mixing mk3 and mk4.

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>>51655249
>Orks get a very opening turn after seizing the initiative vs Tau.
>Still ends up figting desperately for a tie as tau proceed to crush him with little effort.
>MFW you can hear the tau players heartbreak in his voice ramping up as the turns roll on, even he knows this is complete bullshit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5TVqAlMK2s

>>51657759
Good point.

I really hope "Orks are fine." is just marketing team code for we know, wait until 8th ed please.

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>>51657766
0. Retarded ideas amuse me, because of how much money you waste making shit miniatures. Unless you count that as triggered, in which case 10 on the laughing scale.

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What's the cheapest way to get a Knight? Are there any of those Imperial Knights: Renegade boxes still floating around out in the wild? Am I gonna have to go down the Chinaman rabbit hole? Am I gonna have to just suck it up and pay $150+ for a single model?

Help me please /40kg/

>>51657638
>Huge tax
>typhus
>bad

Think if we managed to spread a meme that Orks need a point handicap to match other armies it might change things?

>>51657681
Morty the same as Girlyman's new to Ork fluff.

>>51657768

>Taking a Stormsurge against Orks

Welp, I think I know how this one is going to go.

>>51657801
My friend does recast, i get them dirt cheap. And why mixing is a bad thing? I like how they look.
I remember some guy sperging here how you can't mix armor, i don't see a reason not to.

>>51657802
That's a nice picture with some beautiful models. Where's it from?

>>51657324
>>51657320

I'd be fairly happy running about 1500 or so of them with 500 of allies after looking at some numbers. Unfortunately Death Masque is OOP after only existing for a few months.

>>51657447

Kek <--- This One
Kek
Kek
Kek
Kek

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>>51657843

I just did a GIS for "40K Imperial Knight" and that one looked really nice.

Turns out it's from some guy's blog. I won't link it but if you do the same thing I did you'll find it.

>>51657768

Christ, I can't imagine a better first turn for the Orks, and they still got utterly creamed.

>>51657768
>The end of the game with the hand full of orks trying to hide out of LoS to no avail.

Its like this batrep was posted to make a point.

>>51657744
I keked hard, I never knew that I needed 40k Marty Robbins.

>>51657983

>Orks manage to get in charge range
>They don't dare charge

Sums up the game right now really.

>>51657837
It would be fine if you mixed more marks. 2 just asks the question why they don't just wear the proper marks. More mixing suggests a poorer Legion that scraps together what they can.

why's Red Tithe not in the mega >:(

>>51658095
>Orks don't want to charge Tau
What universe have we entered?

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>>51657744
Damn, that Boltgun song sounds like something that could have actually come out of the old days of music, but with 40K lyrics.

This guy is good. I hope he makes more stuff.

>>51658135
And to clarify, I know it's a parody of an actual song. I'm just saying the guy singing did a good job of copying the sound of the original.

>>51658121

A universe where if the Orks charge, they die to 4 Tau squads.

>>51658095
To be fair they only even got that close because of exceptional bad luck on the Taus part.

>>51658157
Right I forgot that almost every tau unit can overwatch if they're half a foot from the charged unit

>>51658121
>>51658095
AV 14 is hard for Tau to crack he had a pretty good frontage of it.

I would have charged myself but its not a totally baseless move.

>>51658164

And yet, Tau fags still try to defend their army.

>>51658164
>>51658181
It would work if CC wasn't shit and assault armies were actually built for assault.

>>51658175

He rolled a 1 on his D missile. The Riptide failed its Nova overcharge against side armour and only got a glance. The Tau player had some seriously bad luck.

And despite all that, the Ork player got in range and just had nothing.

>>51658206
Losing the MaNz and boss like it was nothing was brutal to watch.

>>51658103
I'm playing 30k and 40k and i try to avoid mk7. I use mk2 a little bit of mk6 and no mk5. In 30k they are blackshields in 40k iron hands successors formed from those blackshields.

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I wish Orks didn't suck so much on the table.

I'm considering picking a few up just because they look like they would be pretty fun to model and paint. Are they any good in Killteam? My assumption is no because Killteam sucks for CC armies, but I don't know anything about the Ork codex other than it loses games a lot.

so whats up with that whole fall of cadia thing? a friend just told me about it - what happened?

>>51657518
Really? Is it not only one per shooting?

Here, have some Machine Spirit Rapefic involving a giant Morty Wall.

And as the Dark Omnissiah overlooked the disembodied machine spirits of the ancient lost ark mechnicuses, they melded
using the dark taint of the eye of terror. Excess budded off, filling the blank spaces of the ancient knowledge's amnesia.
From the three greatest machine spirits a fourth was born.
The Dark Mechanicus cheered in unison, for the project was a success. The Dark Magos Fryht was the first to defile the
purity of this machine spirit. The ancient mass of barnacles and metallic tubing instilled in it the ancient knowledge of
Magnus.
"Together, oh Aerugo, we shall rule this reality." The Ark Mechanicus had no words, for it was still learning the reality
of the winds of Chaos. The ebb and flow of the immaterium.
No less than eighteen hundred million cultists souls and bodies had gone into the construction of the hull for this
machine spirit. Stitched together with their cries of pain. The mechanicum instructed the device through a decorum of
ancient rituals. Fryht's servo-skull hummed, "First target, Cadia, locked on. Projected time of battle: 8 months.
Initiating Translation."
A small village was killed by a barking toad shortly after. Their last sight was eighteen hundred million cultists crying
in pain as they tore through the veil between materium and immaterium.
Using the power of bad writing, Cadia destroyed the vile three-parent unholy matrimony excuse for an Ark Mechanicus in the
amount of time it takes for a plot hole to riddle a bio-engineered space hull with enough bullets to rebuild a hall of the
Holy Terran Palace.

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>>51657459
I found some holes at your points value. Here they are.

>>51658249

Yep. One in every phase, because apparently you throw grenades in close combat. Thanks FAQ.

>>51658266
I dont even...

>>51658231
They are actually decent in kill team anon you can pull off some strange builds involving a vehicle or defkoptaz and still have points left for bodies.

Can I run Adeptus Mechanicus even vaguely competitively without the War Convocation?

>>51657681
Lion El Johnson is the only thing that has to do with it all in the right thing and then we will have a great time.

>>51656022
Deepstruck, bare bones suicide units of fusion crisis suits can be a great way to get rid of AV13-14. Tanks will melt. Then your suits will. Remember that they cannot move but can shoot and jetpack away.

Also invest in a Hammerhead, they are sex on anti-grav.

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>>51658297

What do you guys think of my Ork Killteam list?

Captcha: Select all images with Pickup Trucks

>>51658334
Oldshcool, just dont let any of them fall off.

>>51657681
Alpharius and the other is the best way to get a hold of me for a few days to get to the Future of the world is the most important thing to do.

The keyboard I have trained only does predictive completion and not suggestions.

>>51658231
Just pick a few up and work on them slowly. By the time you've got a force painted up they'll probably have new rules.

>>51658343

I don't think the "the trukk hold as many Orks as you can get to fit in the bed" rule applies anymore, but I think that if I showed up to a Killteam game with that list the guys at my FLGS would probably be too busy laughing to care.

>>51657681
Alpharius is the model half the story to fall apart into a bit on how it ended.

>>51657802
Just buy a Knight Warden box from a retailer with a 20% discount or camp ebay listings.Keep in mind that you want the Warden box as that's the one with all the options including the carapace weapons.

>>51658310
Yes it's just nothing is as good as a WarCon unsurprisingly.

>>51657681
Magnus the man is reading a book on the phone to enable the same mistakes that you are looking at.

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>>51658370

> Keep in mind that you want the Warden box as that's the one with all the options including the carapace weapons.

Good info to know, thank you

I love Pokémon, which faction could I use to represent trainer and Pokémon? Especially must have a Snorlax and Munchlax because they are the coolest.

>>51658394

Necrons

Dark Angels player here. Is the Interrogator Chaplain worth the 20 extra points? Also, I'm organizing my forces after several years, back when DA were still 4th ed only. Don't really know most of the new stuff.

>>51658385

It's a shame, the meta is shifting in my store from less narrative lists and... I don't wan't to say WAAC but... "I Want to win more than play with a fun list" for the first time.

I don't mind having to get competitive but If it could be avoided using that* list

>>51656457
gotta sell those spawn!

>>51658394
Dark Eldar Bestmasters

>>51658261

what did you use to make this?

>>51658310

Speaking of the War Convacation, is it possible to get it working with the List Builder in OP so you don't pay points for upgrades?

>>51658437

Go fuck yourself

>>51656392
>Khornate army
>Running squads in the sacred number of Slaanesh, who Khorne hates

0/10 would not eat worlds with

>>51658437
Nobz in a naut

>>51658441
No. Just build the army without upgrades first to the appropriate points cost and then add everything on afterwards.

>>51658441
Chaos simply has the upgrades listed for free and their actual pts value so you can choose

>>51658261
Kan this list work?

I need some 40k memes that generate discussion plz.

>>51658484
>orks melee race

>>51655326
next one will be Lion, Morty or Russ

(morty is almost 100% confirmed because of leaked GW paint list with new Death Guard Green)

>>51655907
Old canon anon.
Fulgrim already purged the daemon :^)

>>51657804
Yeah typhus is great, but you should never run him without another nurgle sorcerer and at least 3 terminators to butff him to T 6 and eat ID

>>51658484
Theyre all fired up!

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How's this for a small allied detachment to go close to the enemy and steal their objectives?

>>51658475

I would certainly Dread going up against it.

>>51658484
Heldrakes are OP

>>51658475
No, it's terrible. Maybe if the two Deffdreads were replace with Nobz it could work, but it's all theoretical, very complicated stuff.

>>51658334
2x Deffkoptas
11x Shoota Boyz (1 big shoota), and nob with shoota and big choppa
10x grots with runtherd to delay break test

deffkopta with +1 cover, jinking in ruins is invincible, another one can get +50% range on linked rokkit which is nice or you can toss it on big shoota, and some extra FNP one one of important guys (big shoota or kopta)

almost won a league at my LGS with this one (1st place were also orks)

>>51658484
Are the Alpha Legion still loyal?

>>51658218

>Tau player reduced to a single Markerlight
>Still effortlessly deletes most of the Ork army

See this is why people hate Tau. The army is supposed to live and die around Markerlights, but they just don't even matter.

I heard that there is new faction of Eldar coming. Do you thing they will get their own "start collecting" box?

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>>51658534

See, that list actually looks a lot better, and would actually be useful, but I gotta say there's just something about having 28 Boyz in the back of a Trukk that screams "Orky" to me.

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>>51658553

Sure, right after the "Start Collecting! Sister of Battle" kit is released, featuring a Cannoness, a Battle Squad, and an Immolator.

>>51658580
is that a no? I would like to start playing w40k and I like idea of this faction but I dislike Elder star collecting box

>finally get around to checking out the CSM codex that people have been bitching about for years
>the army has LITERALLY zero long ranged firepower

what in the braised pork ribs fuck, there's nothing here. this army has hardly any shots, this is the real reason it sucks. everything that can shoot ranged has like 2 or 3 mediocre shots except the overpriced forgefiend with 8, and havocs with their meh tier autocannons. how are you supposed to do anything.

I'm so sorry

>>51658655
traitor legions

look at death guard vectorium in particular

>>51658484
>Flyrants take 60 multimeltas!

>>51658653

I'm sorry, I don't actually know, I'm just being a shit.

>>51658553
I doubt it, since the DE and CE Start Collecting boxes both double as Ynnari Start Collecting boxes.

>>51658655
Autocannon Havocs.

>>51658521

Terrible, actually. Fucking terrible, and not solely because of the repentia. I'm also assuming that you don't have the models and are looking at the shitty squad bundles on GW's website.

The SoB squad should be dropped down to 5 and without the Simulacrum, which is pointless on them. For 140, you can get exactly two 5 man squads with a heavy bolter, which is the same number of bodies and twice the efficiency.

Next, the command squad as you have it is a shit waste of potential. You want them to get close, but you have a single heavy flamer and a pair of storm bolters? The Dialgus is worthless (unless you want the anti-deepstrike from Celestine's relic list) and cuts into your fire power. The biggest strength of the command squad is that it can have 5 models with special weapons who can also double up. If you want an up close murder squad, I recommend the flamer + combi-plas setup, which is exactly what it sounds like. Give each model a flamer AND a combi-plasma then a Hospitaliar for FnP. They can handle just about anything at this point. Giving them 4-5 heavy flamers is also a very valid option for getting up close and personal.

This leads to the naked canoness. No. If you want minimal HQ points, take Veridyan because she only costs 85 points for the precision bubble. Personally, I give mine a Rosarius, Eternal Warrior, Combi-plas, and Evicerator then stick her with the command squad. They roll up, hop out, vomit 10 plasma shots since they can't assault anyway, and they're ready to burninate and assault next turn. I use them to hunt Centurions, actually.

Immolators should have the Multi-meltas in almost every scenario.

The Repentia are probably going to die. Just a warning. I would suggest a rhino, a priest with Litanies + a mace, and 3 more repentia to fill it up. Hell, make it 2 and stick the canoness in there as well. She doesn't need the plasma at that point if you want to save on points.

>>51658682
I mentioned those. Mathhammer says they don't destroy a rhino.