Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

First for the Dark Eldar! Long live the Eternal City!

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>>51651248
First for happy Aeldari!

>>51651248
First for ork buffs

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>>51651248
I Remembered the Daily But Forgot the Edition edition

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Will you be "that guy" if you spam an army of warp smithes, cultists, obliterators, daemon engines, helbrutes and artillery?

>>51651265
>I6
>>51651266
>I5
>>51651268
>I2
>Melee race

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>we heard that a colossal faggot in blue armor is returning to the galaxy
>we're glad you aren't having any thoughts about siding with him or buying his dumb model, /tg/
>otherwise your delicious mortal soul might suffer a few nasty... accidents
>we're watching you, kiddo

>>51651298
IRON WITHIN

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Death waifu

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>>51651345

Bitter aggression Without?

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>>51651373
Horatio, the most beautiful thing in the universe. Horatio.

>>51651298
I don't think so.

Word Bearers love them some daemons

>>51651343
Those are some nice dudes, fellow bearer of the word!

>>51651298
Sounds fun

>>51651343
What if I wanted to buy his model to convert into a Daemon Prince?

>>51651330
Sad times anon.

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>Guilliman has the Burning Blade
>so does literally every other chapter, including his own

>>51651246
If you really like them, just go with it. If you ignore the fluff and want to build a pure WAAC list, you can do it and your Skyhammer might even be stronger than in some other SM chapters, due to your Assault squads having a chance to be melee buffed.

Going with a fluff friendly list, Black Tide is probably not going to win you anything apart from maybe against orks (and even their meta builds with bikes and walkers can win against it) and Tyranids (which can then beat you with Flyrants) but mirror matches will often look dire.

Your best bet on a balance between fluff and crunch is most likely something with a few Vindicators, one Land Raider for your boss' squad, maybe a bike squad/footslog blob and some kind of dreadnought. Can also argue Skyhammer as "fluff", since it at least has people charging in while angry, though BTs don't use traditional Assault and Devastator teams, only really giving jump packs to their Swordbrothers/Veteran Sergeants.

>>51651474
I want to run a UM captain with this alongisde Guilliman.

>Who's got the real Burning Blade?

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>>51651413
And may it forever be so!

>>51651298

No. But I am thinking about bringing a warpsmith with mutilators

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>>51651373

>>51651492

>unknown to few scholars outside the Ultramarines Librarius, during his fateful encounter with Horus, the Emperor was wielding TWO blades, both of which were burning

>>51651510

Take advantage of the Mark of Slaanesh on everything in the unit for rending?

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>>51651474
Wait.

That is neither two-handed nor a Specialist Weapon.

Well, I guess Guilliman is holding it right, then!

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>>51651554

now we know how darth horus took one of the emprah's arms

>>51651575

Slaanesh only gives rending to daemonettes and similar, marines get +1 initiative instead

>>51651554
>Unbeknownst to few scholars outside the Librarii of the Adeptus Astartes, during his faithful encounter with Horus, the Emperor was wielding ONE THOUSAND blades, all of which were burning.

whats the worse army to transport?

>parking lot guard gives me fits transporting boxes and boxes of tanks and usually a hundred troops thrown on top but i know theres worse out there

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>>51651611

>>51651583
its two handed for anyone but a primarch

>niggas 12 feet tall

>>51651611

I just realized I wrote that wrong, it should be "unknown to MOST scholars"

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theme song me /tg/

>>51651612
Deldar

>Covered in spikes
>Lots of weird hooks and whips for things to get stuck on
>Boats with flimsy sails

>>51651624
It's a joke about how the Burning Blade is a relic that you can use in your army, and it's description implies it's the one that the Emperor used. Anon pointed out that you could theoretically have both Guilliman and a Captain/CM with the Burning Blade, then pointed out that you could have one for every chapter in the Imperium. Of which there are 1,000.

>>51651630
I don't see the USR for Two-handed on it's rules, anon.

>>51651659
>A billion flight stands

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This ok for a 750 point Salamanders Space Marine list?

Librarian - 65

3x 5 man tactical squad, flamer, drop pod - 330

Dreadnought w/missile launcher, lascannon - 125

2x Land speeders w/assaust cannon, heavy flamers - 130

Thunderfire cannon - 100

>>51651679

having to transport a billion flight stands is bad karma received for playing scatbikes

>>51651648
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWum0VRc6MI

>>51651693
>Hellions
>Reavers
>Beastmasters
>Pain Engines
>EVERY SINGLE VEHICLE THAT ISN'T A FLYER

>>51651389
I was going to have assault terminators in an LRC with a 1:1 ratio of shooty to slashy crusader squads in drop pods or rhinos and just bring as many crusaders as I can.

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>>51651695
fucking Baltimore

>>51651695
i mean really should i have expected anything else?

>>51651583
You know I've been wondering.

What the fuck is that gun on the Hand of Domination? It has the magazine belt of a bolter but the torch of a flamer. So which is it?
>yfw it's both and also a combi-melta, gifted by Celestine to make him like her

>>51651648
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv6tuzHUuuk

Reposting because I think more people should watch these.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_7Q5gFoI84
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMbY33Xp5yM

>>51651740
These things are so comfy to watch. They should do it more often.

>>51651756
Yeah. At least we know there's going to be one for guilliman.

>>51651735
You're right, it's probably a combi-weapon of some kind. Maybe the Heavy Bolter/Heavy Flamer combo that the Deathwatch have.

>>51651735
Ancient sacred Hellfire Heavy-Bolter where the bolts were literally set on fire.

>>51651590

Useful for fighting against MEQ Initiative and at the same time as Eldar Initiative then?

>>51651770
I DONT WANT TO BE COMFY WITH GUILLIMAN! I DONT WANT IT

>>51651782
Yeah, Mark of Slaanesh is great for fighting other marines. It can help prevent a lot of damage if you get into an assault.

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>>51651789
>t.Hammers of Dorn

so have the rules for the grey knight come out?

>let me guess, he's overpriced and doesnt even psyker as well as an ultramarine pleb

>>51651373
LOL RUBRIC MARINES

LOL

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>The marines of the XVth Legion suddenly stagger backwards, before rallying around Ahriman with the discipline of the Legiones Astartes. “Ahzek, is that you brother?” they call out, “What in the name of Magnus is going on? Why are we fighting Eldar?” Ahriman is stunned, shaking uncontrollably with emotion

>>51651789
Jes is the guy behind the space marine look, and guilliman is basically just a big space marine. You know it's going to be comfy.

they've also got cypher in there for spice

>>51651648
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh-7eZyPWtE

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>>51651818

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>>51651373
So, when's the hatefuck?

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>>51651818
>not even posting word for word
Stay bitter chaosfags

>>51651373
>that hair and long dress getting caught on everything and stuck in doors

>washing that hair, the split ends

>spike crown bumping light fixtures and low ceilings

id want to kill someone after going a week in that

>>51651849
so Gyrinx is code for vagina right?

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>Can't start with 40k because 8e is coming and everything can change so it's pointless to buy boxes right now
>Can't buy any new AoS army because there are rumours about GW releasing Dwarf boxes in march which are my top1 faction

>>51651818

>Ahriman Sacrificing himself to make Magnus and the TSONS loyalist and free of corruption soon, because he always cared for them as a big bro, and because Tzeentch had Enough with magnus yelling JUST AS PLANNED on his ears all time.

>>51651343

I'm going to buy Guilliman just so I can paint the dead faggot on his base as a Word Bearer

>>51651859
Her clothes are designed to fall off mid-battle to prevent her getting tangled in them. She swanks around casting psychic powers then strips off when it's time for fisticuffs.

>>51651863
>not just buying the boxes you like the look of for the army you enjoy the fluff and a e s t h e t i c s of
I want WAACfags to leave.

>>51651863
What a faggot

>>51651343
>returning to the galaxy
he never left the galaxy, unlike the entirety of the word bearer's legion

>>51651880
holy shit is this an accurate claim? because she's pretty badass now

>walking around in pimp attire only to throw it off when things get serious
>is she piccolo?

>>51651863
Why would a potential edition change do anything to your physical model purchases anon

You wouldn't be buying things you don't like just to win harder, would you?

>>51651818
>tfw you awaken 10,000 years later as if no time has passed, but your bro has been waiting for you all this time

>>51651916
Phil Kelly mentions it in the video where he talks about her. She would enter Commoragh's arenas dressed up in all her finery, and it would fall off when the fighting actually started. I imagine it's the same deal.

>>51651891
>tfw your Badab War Siege Assault Vanguard army sucked shit in 5E and continued to suck shit for 6+ years and 2+ editions

Feels M E D I O C R E

>>51651891
>>51651902
>>51651920
I just see no point in buying models right now because I like to many factions. Tau and Crons will not change but if there is a slight chance that Orks will have new models I would go with them. Also new edition can bring us a new and maybe even better deals than boxes right now

>>51651818
>tfw you spend 10,000 years trying to fix your mistakes only for an Elf slut to casually undo it then kill your bros immediately


Around elves watch yourselves

>>51651818
that really hit me I can only imagine how fucked up that is, how your second most important objective ever is finally there and you can touch it

If Ahriman even can I'm sure that at least a single tear would be shed

>>51651849
Hm it seems that she doesnt have the power to undo the rubric but reverse life itself so she makes them as if the rubric never happened in the first place

>>51651863
this literally makes no sense

>you want to play space marines
>standard tactical and rhinos will never not be good so get those first
>if you like a model just buy and paint it, if it gets nerfed it gets nerfed, just don't buy like ten of them
>do not just buy the models for the sky hammer because you wanna cheese

>you want to play necrons
>standard warriors and ghost arks will never not be good so get those first
>if you like a model just buy and paint it, if it gets nerfed it gets nerfed, just don't buy like ten of them
>do not just buy the models for destroyer cult because you wanna cheese

literally copy pasta this for whatever army you're building

>>51651863
>"playing" aos
>wanting to buy the ugly ass aos dwarf models

Link for the new Fracture of Biel Tan pdf ?

>>51651849
>>51651818
Hold up.

So Ahriman locked the Ynnead trio inside a warp bubble, Yvraine pleaded to her god to help by restoring the Rubrics to life to convince Ahriman to let her go, Ynnead does just that, Ahriman is overcome with emotions and releases the trio since they brought back his boys and Yvraine then orders the Yncarne to tear a hole into space and suck the resurrected Rubrics into it while they were still confused?

That is cold as fuck even against chaos.

Want to start 40k.
Sell me your faction

>>51651976
>You've spent ten thousand years trying to undo the Rhubric
>Some space elf does it like it's nothing
>Then kills them

>>51651880
Gonna need some porn of that.

>>51651988
>That is Eldar as fuck
fixed

>>51651986
no pdf just spoilers/individual scans as far as I know

>>51651988
>That is cold as fuck even against chaos.

Ahriman isn't some misunderstood anti-hero. He's a deluded villain perfectly willing to massacre anyone who gets in the way of his goals, and that's included a lot of Eldar over the centuries. He's been trying to bust into the Black Library for a long time. He deserves everything he gets.

>>51651997
fuck off we still don't even have CelestineXgreyfax yuri yet

>>51651648

SOISOISOISOISOI

>>51652039
Is he?

>>51652030

Calm yer tits, the drawfags on the other thread has a lot of requests and one of them is the sailor celestine

>>51652052
Why would that make him loyalist?

Just because he wants to fix his mistakes and still has a bond to his fellow legionaires doesn't make his loyal, especially after thousands of years of slaughtering everything in his path to get to that goal.

>>51652052
No.

>>51652052
Not particularly. He is a bad person who does bad things, even if him wanting to get his bros back to meat bodies isn't.

>>51652052
Ahriman isn't a loyalist. He doesn't deliberately serve Tzeentch, but he isn't a secret double-traitor who wants to return to the Imperium. At best he's an independent rogue agent, but given that Tzeentch deliberately stopped Magnus killing him, it's likely Tzeentch is actively manipulating Ahriman as a pawn.

>>51652052
Secretly loyalist because he feels guilty for turning his brothers into dust? No.

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>>51652030
no cannoness no

>>51652052
It's more that with the Eldar's help, he can get the library pass he's always wanted and with the Rubric undone, Ahriman doesn't have to listen to Tzeeentch in hopes of the rubric being undone

>>51652016

Half the people who get in his way happen to belong to his own people. He's not known among the Thousand Sons as "Betrayer" because he gets along with everyone. Not like Kharn, anyway, Kharn is a pretty cool guy.

How are world eaters on the tabletop? Are world eaters raptors better than night lords raptors?

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Fucker doesn't know Torchstar.

>>51652098
>Ahriman doesn't have to listen to Tzeeentch

Ahriman doesn't listen to Tzeentch and Tzeentch doesn't speak to Ahriman.
Tzeentch is content with how Arhriman is because he's ambitious and plots and schemes all by himself.

>>51652052

He always hated chaos, he always was a Bro to his entire legion, Unfortunately, the rubrick was his fault and a tzeench's plan since the rubric would be 1000% loyal to him and he would had magnus and the others by its balls, Ahriman always tried to find away to heal them and free them from tzeench

he managed to undo the rubrick in 1 of his brothers, but he lost some of his lifespan on doing that.

and now that the Eldar God of death showed him that he was the cure all along... Expect him making a deal to sacrifice himself to save his brothers

>One Primarch Will be Redeemed, One Primarch Will Fall.

>>51651735
I thought about this, but Cypher's plasma pistol has one too.
Is it a flamer, which I hope, or a bar to protect the barrel when he punches?

>>51651949
That is really fucking cool.

I'm glad she has badass fluff after the disappointment of the Visarch's rules.

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>>51651992
I will bump this for you - I'm also curious

>>51652016

You're literally describing Eldar when they massacre everyone just to save a few knife ear faggots. Trillions of humans died because Eldar started the wars for Armageddon just to save a thousand Eldar fucks.

I'm torn, I want to play chaos space marines and I fucking love the new thousand sons units.
But apparently you will be tabled turn 2 without magnus.

I also love the fact they are an elite army with a low model count, means less painting for me.

Is there anyway I can build a half decent thousand sons force using their new shit or are they not worth it? also I heard world eaters are good now.

>>51652016

He's been trying to bust into the Black Library to uncover a means to reverse the Rubric. Barring the emo-phase where he was hiding out and letting his mastery of the Warp fade intentionally as a self-inflicted punishment, EVERYTHING he has done since he cast that spell has been towards the goal of undoing it. It's literally his entire purpose.

Age of Sigmar gave us our first redeemed Chaos character, and barring the Eldar wiping out the Thousand Sons out of spite rather than allying with Ahriman - who no doubt would've personally and enthusiastically serviced the entire Eldar race until the end of time for restoring them - I was hoping Ahriman could be 40k's first redeemed Chaos character, but there's literally no way he becomes anything after this but more of a straight-up villain instead of an extremist anti-hero. I don't know what happens on the next page, but if they just fed the Thousand Sons to Tzeentch, Ahriman ain't stopping until all of them soulstoned bitches are dead.

>>51652039
>>51652052

Renegade, but not loyalist or traitor. His entire morality is bent around restoring his legion. Abaddon and the Imperium can both probably fuck off for all he cares.

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>>51651474
See image; GW explicitly state that the emperor had a bunch of burning swords.

>>51651612
Anything with a lot of:
- models
- spikes
- resin / metal
- thin, bendable/breakable bits
- unusual sized models

I'm thinking maybe forge world renegades for the absolute worst. Dark Eldar have to rate pretty highly for the combination of spikes and skinny, snappable ankles.

>>51651474
The fluff on Robby's return refers to the Burning Blade as one of several. The Emperor had a bunch of them, in case they got lost I guess?

Maybe he should probably put that much redundancy into more of his plans.

>>51652126

That just means nobody has bothered using Akator for Torchstar, or didn't bother telling him it was Torchstar after he failed to guess her. I was the first one to put a lot of 40k characters in Akator. There is no way for Akator to know the character unless someone tells him who it is.

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>>51652126
He's guessed Taldeer, Idranel and Celestine so far. I guess they don't have Yvraine yet.

>>51652179
>who no doubt would've personally and enthusiastically serviced the entire Eldar race until the end of time for restoring them

Hardly. They're still Space Marines, and Marines are still fundamentally human. They want the galaxy for themselves, regardless of whether they worship Chaos or the Emperor, and there's no room for aliens in that vision.

>>51652179
>Ahriman
>Not traitor
>Defied the Edict of Nikaea just to start with

>>51652169
Eh, killing for survival is a million times more relatable than killing so insane eldritch deities will give you a bigger dick.

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Is it true?
Has our Spiritual Liege returned to us?

>>51651823
>Jes is the guy behind basically everything in 40k's look
FTFY

I hope that dude gets paid really well because I believe GW literally would not be around today if it werent for him and his visionary designs

>>51652016
I bet when ahriman gets into the black library, he slips and breaks his glasses

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>>51652236
>mfw Guileman was actually Alpharius all along.

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>>51651248
HALP!

hey guise, are these optics???

>>51652236
It is imposter.
Aeldari trickstery.

>>51652236
Yes, all these gods and saints and daemons can make fucking way, best primarch coming through

>>51652169
>You're literally describing Eldar
and eldar are also evil as fuck

>>51652272
The rear piece is definitely not an optic and I doubt the front one is either

>>51652267
Nah, Alpharius got FISTED.

>>51652218

>I recognize the council has made a decision, but given that it's a stupid-ass decision, I've chosen to ignore it.

>>51652208

>this entire event is based around a coalition of humans, Astartes, and Eldar joining together, finally recognizing that acting as allies is the only way to survive against Chaos and who the fuck knows whatever else
>there's no room for aliens in the future

You're literally not worth arguing with.

>>51652289
so then what the hell is the rear piece? and how does the gunner see? (inb4 his spotter tells him (thats not how anti-tank guns work))

>>51652272
It's a breech?

>>51652283

As every faction in 40k is supposed to be.

>>51652305
>I've chosen to ignore it.

Hence traitor.

>>51652309
There's a reason the shield has a cutout anon

>>51652281
>best primarch
I didn't know Sanguinius was back.

>>51652305
>>this entire event is based around a coalition of humans, Astartes, and Eldar joining together, finally recognizing that acting as allies is the only way to survive against Chaos and who the fuck knows whatever else

And if you honestly think this alliance will last beyond what it takes to kick Abaddon and his goons all the way back to the Eye of Terror then you're deluding yourself. Greyfax and the Black Templars were on the verge of attacking the Eldar even after they were rescued by them.

>>51652272
front isn't, back could be a screen one if you want I guess, but I've never seen anyone do that.

>>51652260
most likely

Passion for toy soldiers aside, he's been with GW for (I believe?) its entire history.

So with their new rules are World Eaters the choppiest army in 40k?

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Got some newbie questions. I've gotten the advice to get Rhinos for the Tactical squads, so I'm looking to cut points. What's the "optimal" loadout on the Vanguards vets? Would it be a dumb idea to cut the flamers on the Skyhammer assault squads?
Alternatively, instead of cutting stuff, I suppose I could bring it up to 1850 points. What would you add to the list in that case?

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>>51652328
>>51652342

yeah, so the spotter could see out while still receiving cover.. check this out.. my guess is Heavy Metal missed this detail but the sculptor definately intended it to be an optic for the gunner

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>>51652267
>mfw we can finally put those crackpot theories to bed
>mfw we can now invent even crazier crackpot theories to replace it

>>51652142
Until he wants to.

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>>51651992

Are you a fan of Dante's Inferno, Paradise Lost or Berserk? Do you want to play as the Warhammer equivalent to ISIS? Do you hate Ultramarines? Do you want to play an army that is considered a meme on /tg/?

Do you want to play a massive, organized space marine legion, supported by hive gangers, as well as by your heretical warp buddies? Do you like having better psykers than other space marines but don't want to go all-in on psykers? Do you like mixing and matching marks of chaos while also having good morale and armor with a toolbox/horde/exotic generalist playstyle?

Do you like painting lots and lots of red, and then applying lots and lots of decals and freehand to that red?

How heretical are you?

>>51652052
if anything he's loyal to his legion, wanting to stop the rubric and save his brothers is really his only goal, well that and becoming a god himself but I'm sure he would've been willing to work with the Eldar if that meant to get the cure

However I would see little chance of Imperials accepting the alliance with the Eldar if Ahriman showed up with them

>>51652350
At least since 2nd edition if not longer, yeah. He might be the only remaining link from the days of Rogue Trader to now.

>>51652392
Literally all of this except debatably the bit about marks of chaos can be applied to GSC. I only realized who you were shilling when I saw the pic.

>>51652201
>Have you kissed your character on the lips?

I don't understand why this is even a question, unless people are trying to ask Akatar to guess their girlfriend or your mother

>>51652351
Probably not, but they're decent.

Choppiest army is GSC.

>>51652410
>At least since 2nd edition if not longer
well before 2e. I just couldn't remember if he joined before rogue trader or mid-rogue trader.

He's a cool dude. They need to print artbooks of his stuff, for real.

>>51652172

>But apparently you will be tabled turn 2 without magnus

git gud

>>51652179
>Age of Sigmar gave us our first redeemed Chaos character

Not by their choice, you dweeb. Mortal Chaos servants that die by Ghal Maraz have their souls transported to Azyr to face trial in Sigmar's court. If therre is good in them, then they would be purified and made into Stormcast.

>>51652305
>this entire event is based around a coalition of humans, Astartes, and Eldar joining together, finally recognizing that acting as allies is the only way to survive against Chaos and who the fuck knows whatever else

They do this all the time. The alliance lasts until the major threat is done with.

The, immediately, the Imperium always falls back to 'kill the xeno'. There's actual fluff where the same admiral or organized an alliance against 'Nids turned around and exterminated all the xenos that helped him right after they won.

>>51652323

Hence also being right.

>>51652337

>Tyranids posed to become the next big threat, Leviathan just around the corner

I know how enamored you are with the idea of everyone pointlessly killing everyone else, but this is the beginning of about as Brighthammer as we're ever going to get. Robutt's going to get shit sorted because he's a decent fellow, Cypher's going to blow Abaddon's head off on Terra, Chaos is going to get shit-smacked just like the last Siege except they'll be massively decimated since pretty much everyone's committed to the 13BC, and humans/Eldar are at least going to start talking again, although for sure there are tons of folks who'll have a hard time letting go of the 'KILL THE XENO' indoctrination. Chaos become splintered, just-above-Dark-Eldar-tier in terms of organization, and Space Wolves will still get shit on because that's what they deserve.

>>51651474

That's a really neat rule actually

>>51651992
Well.

I have 2 Factions to sell you.

Do you like beep boops, robots and other funky cool steampunk machine stuff? Go with AdMech, they have the funkiest of robots, literal radioactive cancer guns and death rays of death.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXa9tXcMhXQ

Do you like PURGIIIING WITH MY KIIIIIIN, crusading for the sake of crusading and tearing infidels to pieces limb by limb but not winning a whole lot on the tabletop if you play the faction in the fluffy, lore-friendly way then go with Black Templars.
You also get to drive your normal dudes around in the biggest tanks Space Marines have to offer, so that's cool too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaUi8Dv73hA

>>51652374
I don't think so. The clear indication to me is the gunner just sticks his head up to aim. He is kneeling there afterall and can easily make himself higher up.

>>51651474
>yfw Guilliman confiscates the smaller burning blade from the Ultramarine HQ so he can have an offhand blade

AW YEAH SON DUAL WIELDING

>>51652420

I have a GSC army too. I can shill that one too.

>ambush people
>everything ambushes
>everything
>low armor, low tech, sneaky horde
>guerilla warfare
>mix of tyranids, IG and everything in between
>another meme army

>the cheese to counter other cheeses
>kills shooty armies with turn 1 charges

>>51651992
>Sell me on your aesthetics

>>51652194
This is such a blatant case of "Fuck, we already used this McGuffin before. Quickly, say there's several!" that I can't even be mad.

Are orks the most fun army to play against or what? I don't have to worry about bringing cheese, I know I can just bring what's fun, fluffy, and have a good game.

>>51651474
>recovered from the wreckage of Horus' Battle Barge
What? I thought the Vengeful Spirit was Horus' ship, and I also thought it was still around. Doesn't Abbadon use it these days?

>>51652476
After all the theories and brainstorming through the ages of how Abaddon might go down, I actually am okay with it being Cypher if that turns out to be the case. That's a pretty cool end. It's not super over the top like "AND THEN THE EMPEROR IS RESTORED AND GETS UP OFF THE GOLDEN THRONE LOL" and it's not the typical "X PRIMARCH DOES IT", and it's someone who's actually kind of associated with both chaos and loyalists. I dig it.

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>>51652499
>parrying blade is a burning sword of the emperor
guilliman knows how to pimp himself out appropriately

>>51652514

Let's be real here, how many of us actually modeled our burning blades with the proper size.

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>>51651992
We're getting a primarch

>>51652126
took him 3 guesses to get Tzeentch

What's the best way I should start with Genestealer cults? I have 50 quid this months to soend, and I'll have about 100 at easter.

>>51652515

Ork players cheat too much. Go add up the point totals of your next ork opponent. He probably bought 20% or more extra points just because he thought he could get away with it.

Because they do get away with it. And they still lose even with the points handicap

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>>51652493
that doesn't make any sense if its an anti-tank gun...if you look on the left side of what i think is the optic you'll see two little arrows. these arrows are also found on IG binoculars, indicating they are zoom buttoms

>>51652568
spend*

>>51652568
Always start with Deathwatch: Overkill.

Then pile on the Acolyte boxes like crazy.

Be warned, it is not a cheap army.

>>51652559

Look at his color scheme, man. Akator is probably Tzeentch himself gathering intel on everyone and we're all stupid enough to feed him.

>>51652574
and we still lose mother fucker so quit bitching

>>51652585
Do I /only/ need to get acolyte boxes after?

>>51652579
it's 40k man, this shit really isn't supposed to make that much sense.

>>51652592
>says something in response to a post that already said that

I2 as fuck.

>>51652559
Took him 1 try to get Guilliman right.

Get fucked, Chaos.

>>51652592
>cheating is okay because I lose even if I cheat

The fuck kind of retard scumbag logic is that? What do you say when you win? "Oh well it was deserved because I couldn't win otherwise"? I bet you don't even lift or play sports.

>>51652601
Acolyte spam is probably the best way of running it, but Neophytes have their uses. Another box or two probably wouldn't go amiss. If nothing else, if you want to run their Decurion, you need at least two squads of ten.

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so im thinking of using this list in a local tourney coming up. I've never participated but a m8 of mine has and he took 3rd with double skyhammer......
SO the point of the army is use drago to port the cents around the board and have the libs cast whatever shit that is needed, be it invis or whatever. Dnights for hard hitting distractions, razor for camping, deep strike strike squad with tele homers off scouts, and bikes just for haras.

I also have a less competitive version of the list with the same tele drago grav star.

>>51652620
>Is your character male?
>Yes.
>ROBOUTE GUILLIMAN, THE AVENGING SON, THE BLADE OF UNITY, PRIMARCH OF THE ULTRAMARINES

>>51652619
>I2 as fuck.
hahaha, got me there you git. If you want a good challenging game against an ork player give him +25% points allocation

>>51652632
its not cheatin if you aint caught! lemme guess. your an eldar/tau fag??

>>51652559
>try to see if he knows Grimaldus
>"Is your character a God's servant?"

I'm honestly confused if I should say yes or no.

>>51652648

"If you're not fighting dirty, it's not a real fight."

Anyone be able to help me with an Alpha Legion list? I have a basic understanding of what I should run although after the recent FAQ it looks to be that the Lost and Damned isn't as worth it as it used to be.

>>51652601
No but you need a good amount of them.

You'll need at least another box of Neophytes, and some Purestrains too.

Transports to taste, some people like Goliaths, some like Chimeras, some don't run any.

It really comes down to which core choice you want in the Insurrection Detachment. Brood Cycle means at least two more boxes of acolytes, one of Neophytes, one of Purestrains, and an Iconward. Cavalcade means Neophytes, a couple Chimeras, a Russ, and a Sentinel. Then you'll most likely want to fill out a Subterranean Uprising which is another 3-7 Acolyte boxes for minimum sized squads.

>>51652126
>failed to guess Valdor
>Valdor was actually in the database
>like 60% of the questions were "is he a Marine?"
>20% were "does he like blue?"
REE

>>51652670

All M41 Imperial characters should be answering yes to that, but even if you say no or unsure, he'll just ask an extra question or two to find your character.

>>51652686
just take your squad of Alpharius and go

>>51652691
Just admit you were actually thinking of Guilliman and you're just trying to trick Akinator

>>51652706
I just need some help building a list. Sorry

>>51652466

To be fair, the Imperium's never had anyone reasonable at the head during those truly dire struggles. Even as a lifelong smurf-hater, I'm hoping Guilliman can be the voice of reason; there's been some pretty dark situations before, but this is probably the biggest shitstorm since the Horus Heresy.

GW's been moving towards a more united galactic situation for a while now, and I think this event is going to be the catalyst that moves it to the fore. Obviously there's going to be certain factions that will NEVER ally with each other (Black Templars/some Inquisitors and any Xeno race) but right now humankind is at such a closed-off, self-destructive place that outside help is needed. It'll be like Warcraft, where even though the Horde and the Alliance are 'technically' at a truce, armed conflicts break out all the time. Players can still field whatever armies they want, but now there's some light at the end of the tunnel.

>>51652722

HQ

1 Alpharius

Elites

5 Alpharius
5 Alpharius
1 Alpharius Dreadnought

Troops

10 Alpharius
10 Alpharius

Heavy Support

3 Quad Mortar with Alpharius crew
1 Land Raider Alpharius

>>51652684
hehe, good 1 m8.

My orkoid brain took awhile to come up with a real response and its this:

>implying you can "cheat" when the game is only balance for SM, Eldar, Tau, and Cron

Tell an ork player they're a cheating fag if they sneak in a few extra gubbins here when his army never places top 20 of any of the grand tourneys save that one time in the bay area a few years back

>>51652726
>implying removing the war from warcraft isn't half the reason the story went to shit

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>>51651474
>If only I could be so grossly incandescent

>>51652726
>To be fair, the Imperium's never had anyone reasonable at the head during those truly dire struggles.
Calgar and the Tyrannic Wars.

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>>51652647
>Is your character the son of a god?
even now there is hope for man

>>51652179
So what's your opinion on Cypher? I can see both sides of the coin on him, but I hope he is loyal and wants to free the Lion, who the green Dangles have held captive without their knowledge.
I love the Dark Angels aesthetics, especially heresy era.
I just don't dig the secrets within secrets, and their willingness to blast fellow chapters to hide their shame.

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>>51651413
>still no chapter called the Redcoats whose motto is 'Hearts of Oak'

missed oppurtunity, you'd think a british company would be more patriotic.

>>51652751
>Does your character have to do with cleaning?
>PURGE THE HERETIC

>>51652741
kek well played

>>51652717
He did guess Down and Ferrus after a generic "Marine". I guess there's no love for the Emperor's bananamen.

>>51651737

>Bangles
Confirmed Blood Angels/Necrons themesong

>>51652547
how is anyone to know the true size of the Emperor? He is shrouded by illusion and is probably just a tall man, not too tall either otherwise he wouldn't be a very plausible character in human myth.

>>51652143

since 40k is losing its grim dakness a bit to become more Noblebright

>A flash of light rips the battelfield where Magnus and his thousand sons were fighting Guilliman, Celestine and the Aspects
>As the Yncarne says, the deal is done Ahzek Ahriman, the pain and sadness that afflicted your soul is finally over.
>Ahriman nods as his body starts to disappear: after all these years i was wrong, i thought that Tzeench would have the answer for our salvation, thought that the Library would had the cure for my biggest sin, and in the end, the answer was here all along.
>The Former Sorcerer looks at the battlefield, as the Former rubrics and sorcerers starts to regain conscious, free of its corruption, free from their contracts with the god of chance.
>Suddenly, The former sorcerer hears a calm and familiar voice: Ahriman, Old friend, what have you done?
>The sorcerer turns his crumbling body, it was Magnus, for the 1st time in years, Ahriman saw his former father, his friend, his brother, one a Daemon prince who sacrficed everything as him to save his brothers from an bitter death, Free from its daemonic grasp who plagued him since the horus heresy, free from the grasp of the God of Change.
>Magnus: Ahriman, what have you done? The voices, the corruption, the madness. its gone.
>Ahriman: it is my last gift old friend, its my last trick, my best spell.
>As Ahriman spoke these works his body started to fade more and more, as a flash of light enveloped him, everyone in the battlefield, His brothers, the Eldar, and the loyalists looked where the Sorcerer, the Yncarne and Magnus where.
>Greyfax: Whats is happening to him, What had he done to Magnus and the others?
>Yvraine: The Ultimate Sacrifice, He gave his soul, his existence to undo the Curse that the Great schemer did to him and his brothers, The Freedom that it was always in the front of his and the Fallen Primarch, but it was shrouded by the Great Schemer.
>Guilliman: Magnus...

>>51652756

Don't know enough about him or the Dark Angels to give a shit. I just know he's going to blow Failbaddon's head off.

>>51652748

Okay, that's one - also, he wasn't around AFTER the war to help get shit together. Pretty sure they wouldn't just bring Gilly back just to kill him off again.

>>51652844
>since 40k is losing its grim dakness a bit to become more Noblebright
It's adorable people really think this is happening.

You know what comes after Gathering Storm? Another set of campaign books where the proverbial storm actually hits.

Shit is about to get the worst it has ever been. They need to bring back the Primarchs to even have a chance.

>>51652844
this is gayer than those threads where horus and sanguinus have sexual relations

>>51652871

After GS comes the period when the Black Crusade actually DOES get to Terra; we're all speculating about what happens after that.

>>51652844
Please stop.

>>51652484
>>51651992

AdMech: do you like a mysterious, (questionably loyal) militaristic cult based around turning humans into robots, not knowing how science works but still sciencing anyway, and hoping MachineGod doesn't get mad?
Wacky rules, wacky (sometimes steampunk) aesthetic and cool weapons?
Also Mars?

>>51652875

Since 40k is going this way, Redeemed Magnus inst that far to happen.

>>51652871

it isn't you the samefag from spacebatles who's bitching about Girlyman return and shitposting about Curze in all boards?

>>51652901
Take your butthurt pills anon

>>51652844
Dont play with my heart like this anon
>inb4 his soul is absorbed into ynead and then he corrupts ynead and it was Just as Planned

>>51652844
>since 40k is losing its grim dakness a bit to become more Noblebright
it's not

also that reads like bad gay fanfiction

>>51652541
Say what you want about the Ultramarines, but they do pimp out well.
Blood Angels should be more pimped though, since they're both the longest living and artistic of the Astartes.

>>51652921
>Take your butthurt pills anon
>pills

You mean suppositories?

>>51652726
>It'll be like Warcraft
That does seem to be where GW wants to take the story. Eldar and the IoM teaming up to fight the Burning Legion.

>>51652871
This, it's exactly what people thought with the auric bastion and the elementals in End Times for fantasy. Then the whole setting and rules were squatted. I think it'll take a very similar course to End Times as well. Possibly a character appropriating Gelt (Ahriman maybe) will stumble upon some noblebright secret which then goes sour. Would not be suprised if Emperor possesses Guilliman just like Sigmar possesses Karl Franz. Also expect some races to squat themselves ala skaven and lizardmen and dwarfs. Could imagine Ad Mech, Necrons wasting eachother, Tau getting wrecked by Orks or tyranids. The main players will be imperium, chaos and eldar.

>>51652921
>the samefag from spacebatles who's bitching about Girlyman return and shitposting about Curze in all boards?
I have no idea what you're talking about. I don't mind Guilliman being back. I'm just telling you "noblebright" fags that it's not happening. They did the trilogy of good guy books first for a reason. The next campaign books are almost certainly going to be Chaos Marines, Tyranids, Chaos Daemons, and everything is going to be fucked hard.

>>51652941

I'd be kind of alright with that; it's a less soul-crushing status quo than what we got right now.

>>51651248
I used to play 40k but now just enjoy painting the figures as I have no one to play with anymore.

Is there a better alternative for me? These packs can be expensive and i'm sure there's other cool resin minis to paint.

cheers

>>51652836
>not too tall either otherwise he wouldn't be a very plausible character in human myth.

There are many huge people in human myth.

>>51652844
Ahriman would be pissed Magnus was saved not happy. He's tried to kill him to save the Sons before.

>>51652931

Pills because The butthurt already took his body and his face looks like ass already

>>51652548
>>51651583
Imaging his teens, trying to fit in highschool, trying to go to prom with the prettiest girl in the school, etc as a hulking 10ft kid. Imagine when the Emperor comes to pick him up and talks to his adoptive parents during diner and they all go "ahhh, so it was that"

Guilliman's helmet, shoulders, and chestplate are cool. If they just fixed the leg proportions and removed all the filigree he'd actually look good. Unfortunately, they decided to go retarded round CAD aesthetic like they usually do for 40k instead of hard edged like they do for AoS.

Good job, GW, making hard objects round and soft objects like muscle and cloaks full of jagged line. Can't even CAD right. Just hire back the hand sculptors.

>>51652974
If you're good then commission painting?
That way you get to paint and you get some money w/o having to buy the models

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>>51652958
>not ORKS, ORKS, ORKS

>>51653000
Nah my work is sloppy as hell, that would be the dream though

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So I took a stab at an Alpha Legion list. All criticisms taken into account.

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>>51651992
Like Egypt? like Terminator? like General Grevous and concwepts of sci-fi Undead robits? Like equal capacity for hammy villains and taciturn forces of nature? like a faction that killed its gods and enslaved the still living remains? Necrons are for you

>>51652977

And Ahriman saved him later when his soul was almost being split during Wrath of Magnus

>>51652844
I like it.
Haters gonna hate, but it's nice and I like it.

>>51651979
Not him, but I personally am paranoid about whatever faction I'm interested in becoming completely worthless with the new edition drop. All the bad stuff I've heard about orks and nids has really planted a seed of doubt.

>>51653010
Orks will get lumped in with Tau and Necrons at the end when they need to make the leftover xenos relevant.

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Is it suffering being Ahriman?

fresh OC for you cunts

>>51653050
GSC's incredible rules and successful sales numbers have got a lot of the shrewder people in the fanbase feeling that Tyranids are going to be getting a complete monster update when they finally get back around to them.

Orks don't seem to have any love in the design team, though.

>Love the look of the new rules
>want to start a emperors children army
>can't find a mix of models that doesn't look awful to build or unfun to play.
>maybe nurgle?
>two band-wagoning WAACs are already making their deathguard biker armies.

>>51653080
When was the last time Orks got a new model?

>>51653093
NAUTS

>>51653040
>when his soul was almost being split during Wrath of Magnus
Wat.

When cause I dont remember that shit at all.

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>>51653057

>>51653029
Autocannon on the dread's kind of a poor choice. Not got much to do. Maybe a plasma cannon instead?

>>51651979
>you want to play Orks
>standard boyz and trills will never not be good so get those first?
>if you like a model just buy and paint it, if it gets nerfed it gets nerfed, just don't buy like ten of them??
>do not just buy the models for the ??? because you wanna cheese

>>51652975
they usually aren't the good guys though, Hercules kills his wife and kids, Goliath is a prick who gets stoned by a manlet, Gilgamesh does ok I suppose, that Japanese archer committed seppuku. Remember that even 6' looked pretty tall across most of history, something like a space marine at 7ft would look ludicrous and an 8ft primarch would be terrifying and probably not respected.

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Is this enough terrain?

>>51653080
>shrewder people
>Wishlisting

>>51653093
same time as base marines, with the new plane sprues

>>51653093
When their 7th edition codex was released. They got Meganobz, along with the Mega-Armoured Big Mek, the Nauts, and Flash Gitz.

Then there was Grukk Face-rippa in the Orks/Wolves box set.

>>51653126
Hm. I see what you mean.

>>51653057
He should be able to save those guys pretty easily honestly. If he can one hit a pack of harlequins he should be able to save 12 marines from falling. So that's 13 Rubric marines that Ahriman has saved now. Also having seen it done he should be able to fix the whole thing pretty soon, as bitchtits just reversed their time or someshit.

>>51653057

It's an older meme... And it needs to be brought back.

>>51652941

As long as GW doesn't pull the Ff.net level of Fanwankery that warcraft became over the last years with Kosak, im fine.

>>51653142
>Is this enough terrain?

i really hate this question. it implies that all battles must be fought with tons of terrain. What about battles on desert planets? OR clear grassy fields

>>51653142
Roughly, but there's an enormous bit of dead space on the right hand side you might want to fill in.

>>51653151
You could always go cheap and cheerful with a multi-melta.

>>51653142
You've got about the right number of large pieces/LoS-blockers, but I'd add some smaller areas of scatter terrain as well. Low walls, craters, areas of rubble, dead trees, that sort of thing. Broad areas which will give infantry a cover save but won't block LoS.

>>51653170
>What about battles on desert planets? OR clear grassy fields

Shooty armies already have a significant advantage over melee armies, and certain Codexes (like Dark Eldar) rely on being able to hide out of LoS or guarantee a reasonable cover save. Not playing with a decent amount of terrain on the board makes for extremely lopsided games.

>>51653142
You can always use more, though I think the big thing you're lacking is some more patches of rough ground or low walls.

>>51653143
Just read the difference between the Purestrain Genestealers and Broodmind discipline in GSC and the Tyranid Genestealers and Hive Mind discipline in the 'nid Codex and tell me there wasn't an obvious conscious effort to fix the problems. They didn't let Cruddace anywhere near the book and it came out top tier and then they sold like fucking mad, meanwhile they had Cruddace do Deathwatch and it came out mediocre and had poor sales. Guess which guy they're gonna let write Tyranids next time around?

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>>51651373
>wears a Dark Eldar Wych outfit underneath the rest of her clothes
>When fighting she just slips out of her dress and is ready to go
bruh

>>51653172
I think I like the idea of Plasma Cannons. I like the fact I can hold the enemy back a lot with Alpha Legion with their infiltrate. Shrouded Turn 1 is great as well. If only we got more fluff :(

>>51653170
On a desert planet, you should still have rocks, cliffs, or mountains for people to hide behind. It's very important for the game that you be able to take cover in some spots.

>>51653142
is ya fightin agenst a propa shooty army, ya git? if ya iz den u best get urself sum more bildins, innit. me warboss sed to fight wiv lots of cova if da oomies iz puttin lots of dakka down rang

>>51653203
but not all Armies suffer from this. likewise my giant 300+ guard infantry blob suffers from TOO much terrain. So where do you strike the balance? By rolling for each quadrant a d6-1!

>>51653170
A) The game is designed to be played with maximum terrain for best balance.

B) Why the fuck would armies clash over a plain ass empty grass field with no strategic value? Even Tyranids don't do that.

>>51651266
Aelderi whore.

>>51653253
wow rude

>>51653245
>A) The game is designed to be played with maximum terrain for best balance.

but its not

>Why the fuck would armies clash over a plain ass empty grass field with no strategic value? Even Tyranids don't do that.

Perhaps an army is being routed and the final stand is in a grassy plain because they cant go anyfurthur? use your imagination millennial!

>>51653170
Hello tau player!

>>51653108
not wrath of magnus, the post effects from the mass teleportation of prospero

Really, following the last HH books, and this one, i think GW is really paving the way for his and maybe Magnus redemption

the thing is, is that tzeentch still needs an poster boy daemon prince and legion to replace magnus and his rubrics

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>>51653057

>>51651583
pretty sure it was confirmed as a heavy bolter flamer combo

>>51653253
Vect pls go. We're sorry your waifu chose yuri—nead over you

>>51653272

IG and Orks actually

and when you think about it a clash of armor in grassy fields between IG vs Tau would be sick

>>51653272
actually, i'm a cron player, so fuck off with your tau bullshit

>>51653271
>Can't go any further

Why, when it's an empty grassy plain? Either way, there should still be hills, the occasional stand of trees, trenches, bunkers, anything to hide behind if you're actually planning on playing a game and not Tau target practice simulator 40999

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>>51653290
>Vect pls go.

I guess you could say he got Cuct.

>>51653271
>but its not
But, yes it is, 100%.

I know people like to parrot the whole "hurr GW don't playtest" meme, but they do playtest (just not enough), and it's done on their studio boards that are packed to the fucking tits with terrain. The older rulebooks even recommended using as much terrain as could cover around half the board, and said too much was always better than too little.

>>51653216
Yeah, plasma cannons are fun. They make people nervous despite not being that powerful compared to equal points of rapid-firing plasma guns.

Also the chosen and raptor champions could probably get a melee weapon, since they're all just loaded with assault guns anyways. Dunno how married you are to the spawn, though.

>>51653285
"confirmed", but I don't think it was reliable

Might be cool if it had torrent.

>>51653285
You really have to question the use of a heavy flamer when you have a giant on fire sword

>>51653057
What's this "Ahriman wants to save his brothers" thing and where is it? Fracture of Biel-tan?

I know he's always been obsessed with getting into the Black Library but has that plot advanced or something?

>>51653291
The only time I think having vast portions of the board empty works is when you're doing an Apoc game and have a larger playing area. Then you can afford to cluster terrain in small forests, cities blobs, or rocky outcroppings, and have a wider no-mans land for longer range tank duels and the like.

>>51653322
Magnus is in his debt now, so he's got some big guns to crack the Library open.

>>51653301
but like I said earlyier a tank battle in the grassy fields like the battle Kursk in WW2???

>>51653315
all im saying is give a little bit of terrain a chance. you'll find everything changes and its not another "hide all your precious shit in the ruins" scenario

of course, my advice is for non waac fags only

>>51653327
this

>>51653277
>the post effects from the mass teleportation of prospero
This is BL stuff, meaning it makes no sense when viewed from the larger whole. But this was also a side effect of the second rubric, and not one Ahrmian was aiming for. So my point stand, Ahriman and Magnus were supposed to die.

> i think GW is really paving the way for his and maybe Magnus redemption
I think you're misunderstanding. TSons story is sympathetic, that doesnt means its about redemption. 'The road to hell is paved with good intentions' is their motto basically, and as you say it perfectly fits Tzeentch.

>>51652515
>My definition of a fun opponent is one I can beat easily.

>>51651988
>ear a hole into space
now, I may not have read what this is from, but isn't this code for "dead but capable of showing back up?"
Does it say where the hole lead? Was it a hole in space leading to the immaterial or elsewhere?

>>51653083

>been slowly building Deldar
>Ynnari bullshit arrives
>cant play them because WAAC faggotry

Is playing Deathwatch fun? Same question for GK

Have they admitted that it's M42 yet?

>>51653382
>can't play something because it's good now

What kind of hipster bullshit is this

>>51653322
>What's this "Ahriman wants to save his brothers" thing and where is it?
It's a retcon thats come from the BL Ahriman novels, printed in Wrath of Magnus and now the latest gathering storm.

Ahriman's old goal was to understand Tzeentch, get into the BL and become a new god/super powerful dude, which is actually pretty boring. This change is actually better in my opinion and I like it.

>>51653308
>tfw cucked by the guy who had the worst crunch in 40k before being removed from the DE codex

Being Vect is suffering

>>51653322

Its 000.m42 and the plot is moving fast

>Latest HH books and now GSM2 pretty much confirmed that he giving everything to find a way to save magnus and his brothers from tzeentch.
>Ahriman knows that he cant be loyal due to events that followed their pact and downfall
>Ynnead was the answer all along not tzeentch.

>>51653344
>but like I said earlyier a tank battle in the grassy fields like the battle Kursk in WW2?

Yeah, because there were definitly no trenches, bunkers, or hills during WW2 were there?

>>51652579
That sounds accurate. Optic confirmed.

>>51653402
You seriously lack reading comprehension, or you're trying to push this because you think it will annoy people.

>>51653406
im not saying 0 terrain, autist. Im saying not cramming the fucking table

>>51653344
>all im saying is give a little bit of terrain a chance
Lad I've played this game in every conceivable fashion in every edition since 2nd with multiple different types of armies. The designers have been doing this a lot longer than you, tournament organizers have been doing it longer than you. It's all been tried. The consensus of all these people, and myself, is that 40k is a shit game with no terrain, and improves drastically by having a lot of it, especially with multiple vertical levels, crossings such as bridges, and trenches/depressions/lowground.

A flat surface makes for shit games that come down to either who shoots first, or who gets to null deploy, EVEN WITH casual non-tourney lists. Even with melee armies vs melee armies it just turns to a big shitty boring blob in the middle of the board.

No terrain is the worst possible way to ruin the already tenuous play experience of this edition.

>>51653363
>"...the Iyandeni giant Soulseeker was there, trailing white flame as his wraithblade carved a chasm through the crystal of the webway's superstructure with an ear-splitting scream. Stepping to the edge of the fissure, the Yncarne opened its maw impossibly wide. It inhaled so mightily the resurrected Thousand Sons were drawn towards it, stumbling over the edge of the chasm to fall away into the void beneath."

The way I understood that is that a Wraithknight cut open a hole in the webway, the Yncarne jumped through and gobbled up the resurrected Rubic Marines.

>>51653388
It depends on who you're fighting and what you're using and how well you're rolling.
They can be fun very easily.

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>new to minis, wargaming, and 40k
>starting necrons
>not doing any established dynasty, wanted to make up background for my dudes
>learn afterwords about Trazyn who my own phaeron is pretty similar to

god dammit

Basic gist is that the dynasty was pretty isolated from most Necron internal politics. The phaeron at the time was obsessed with amassing wealth to try and stave off turbo-cancer before everybody learned Oprah was giving out free immortal robot bodies.

So now the phaeron is immortal but he still has all this wealth, artifacts, curios, priceless art, etc. The command comes in for the long stasis and the phaeron complies. When he wakes up in 40k, most of his collection is gone. Phaeron now tirelessly tracking down all of his stuff across the galaxy. He's actually willing to trade/diplomacy for some relics (so that I have reason to ally with other players' armies) instead of just going full terminator.

should I just scrap it all and start over?

>>51653396
They will in Ed 8's rulebook fluff books.

It'll cause a massive shitstorm.

>>51653388
Ehh. Both armies exacerbate Marine weaknesses in exchange for marginal strengths. Nevertheless, they can be fun if you like super-elite armies and your local meta isn't particularly cutthroat.

>>51653344
>like the battle Kursk
kursk had rolling hills, houses, walls and assorted greenery

a lot of it was fought on relatively open ground, but the terrain wasn't completely flat

>>51653438
>Gathering Storm
>Leads to a shitstorm

What did they mean by this?

>>51653382
Pure Deldar isn't even close to WAAC even if you play them as Ynnari faction.

>>51653344
>a tank battle in the grassy fields like the battle Kursk in WW2???
40k isn't at the sort of scale for mass tank battles. You're thinking of Epic.

>>51653461
AoSpace Marines, anon! Are you as excited as the GW execs and Matt Ward?

>>51653436
Why would you? Its sounds pretty good/reasonable.

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>>51653382
>implying they're taking dark eldar units as anything other than tax
>they got folded in to a book with craft worlders
>went from the shitty eldar codex to the shitty part of THE eldar codex
>tfw you realize dark eldar have a better chance of being squatted than being able to stand up to their craftworld kin
Really spins my chakras

>>51653436
Keep it and make Trazyn his nemesis because he stole a bunch of shit from his own collection.

Trazyn is a kleptomaniac and wants to have a museum collection, your guy is a pimp that just wants all his bling back after some fuckheads stole it over night.

>>51653432
> the Yncarne jumped through and gobbled up the resurrected Rubic Marines.
No because right after that Ahriman chase them into the void. They fell of the edge of the path in the webway and Ahriamn is going to got save them. This allows the Eldar to escape and was simply a distraction.

>>51653347

with the last retcons and now GSM

"the road to hell is paved with good intentions, gough thres always a second chance to fix it up"

in fact, the "One Primarch will Be Redeeed, One Primarch will fall" makes sense with Magnus and Ahriman, he would sacrifice himself to Save his sons from Tzeentch at the cost of his own life

Magnus and Ahriman would die, but they would save their legion and free them from Tzeentch and its Corruption.

>>51653432
>The way I understood that is that a Wraithknight cut open a hole in the webway

Yes.

>the Yncarne jumped through and gobbled up the resurrected Rubic Marines.

No. Learn to read.

>Ahriman teleports the trio outside the webway
>The Sons get resurrected.
>Ahriman teleports the trio inside the webway.
>A wraith knight shows up and cuts a hole in the webway floor
>Chill con Yncarne steps up to the edge of the hole and tried to suck everyone's dicks at once
>The Thousand Sons are pulled towards him and fall into the hole in the floor because they're on one side and the dick sucker prime is on the other.
>Ahriman chases them down the hole.

>>51653424
And? The picture that guy posted was hardly crammed. Having more terrain is almost universally better, even if you don't want to go for a densely packed cityfight.

Having a map literered with tank traps, hills, bunkers, trenches, forests, and other things to have your tanks need to navigate around to get cover and get a good shot makes things better. Having to concern yourself with getting stuck on rough ground is better.

Even for the goal of having an all out tank battle on a relatively open and level field, you want these things present.

>>51653422

>being this fucking triggered

GTFO Karl

>>51653382
>Been slowly building Deldar
>Ynnari housing arrives
>"sweet now I can use that Solataire I painted up with a Troupe without all the other tax, also with no Haemonculii I have points left over to put that Wraithblade and Wraithlord squad I painted up ages ago in"

>>51653510
>gough thres always a second chance to fix it up"
Your missing the points. It's not fix it it fuck it up harder. Serisuly how many 'chances' have Ahriman/Magnus/the TSons had not to have every thing go to shit? But thats the point Anon.

>but they would save their legion and free them from Tzeentch and its Corruption.
Except the flesh change, and their devotion to Tzeentch after Prospero. You seem not to know the actually fluff Anon because all these rubric marines fought on Terra against the Emperor, they just werent rubric'd then. They arent loyalists.

>>51653507
>>51653513
So they're falling out of the webway into the void/warp?
It's likely the best sorcerer of all time could save them then, if they're not dead.
>INB4 loltzeentch and ahrichan has to start over

>>51651979
>bought sisters in 5th knowing they were bad
>they keep getting less bad

Feels mildly okay man.

still wish I had some fucking choice when it came to filling out the org chart though

>>51653556
>So they're falling out of the webway
No just into the webway it self. The webways all fucked up at this point and they were fighting on a bridge. They just fall of the edge so they should be fine honestly. I hope it gets brought up in the future.

>>51653318

>spawn

Not him, but I'd imagine the spawn is Decurion tax to pair with the Warband.

>>51653588
Oh, is that how the traitor legion lists work? Bummer.

>>51653583
Well, either they fell off a bridge and Mr. Sorcerer Supreme can just Telekinesis catch them before they all hit the bottom, or they're in the warp and he just needs to make a bubble to limit their exposure before he teleports them out.

>>51653245
Two scout groups run into each other. Armored groups moving ahead of their main force to try to secure a position in preparation for the rest of the army. Buried archeotech. Forces landing on a planet outside of the PDFs defenses. Enemy is bringing in superweapons that outrange a positions defensive lines. Light skirmish between tank companies.
Why do you think that maximum terrain provides the best balance? It gives the advantage to forces with high mobility and the ability to make full use of cover. As imperial guard, while I have plenty of units who can take advantage of dense terrain, such as guardsmen, hellhounds, and wyverns, other units become almost useless, such as heavy weapon teams and conscripts. Then you have units who become almost invincible, such as anything that has a jetpack or gets bonuses to cover saves.
Likewise, having almost no terrain makes melee units and anything with less then two feet of range complete useless unless they can deep strike.
The game is not balanced around the extremes, even if the extremes can be more fun then a properly balanced game.

>>51653397

There's a difference between good and overpowered. Ynnari are decidedly the latter. It's actually worse now because instead of "why don't you just play Corsairs instead? " it's "why don't you just use guardians instead?"

>>51651373
Why is she so perfect?

>>51653619

Yea. Most of the legions have a Warband core plus an aux, and a single spawn is the cheapest aux, which is annoying for me because I play NL. Makes the fluffy part of me sad.

>>51653057

I wonder what horn tits will think of this development?