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How does one come up with good fluff for their own army?

>>51626581
Read as much as possible about them. Pick the one thing they hardly do. Make this the character choice of your army.
Remember: You are special, fuck the rest.

>>51626610
I want skitarii that go around the galaxy picking fights in a privateer fashion to learn. Is this too far?

>>51626400
Remember the Yncarne is not Ynnead. It's only an Avatar. And Ynnead is a weakened god since the Eldrad was disrupted in Death Masques. A successful awakening of Ynnead in full power would have roiled the warp across the galaxy and quenched the Astronomicon.

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>>51626639
>rogue trader skitarii
YEs please, sounds good now flesh it out.


Also, rate my list
Feedback would be nice

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Nth for AdMech beep boop.

What are some required 40k novels a good tech-adept should read to really have some robot fun?

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>>51626650
Now with 80% less space wasted

>>51626639
That's basically what an Adeptus Mechanicus Explorator Fleet does. It's an established part of the fluff.

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Help me make this work.

Any suggestions on what to change/switch around?

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>>51626568
Next general should have the original Horatio and not just another beautiful clone

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can someone tell me what portion of 40k games are played without a turn limit?

>>51626642
Still doesn't change that much. The Yncarne isn't even as dangerous as most Culexus Assassins, let alone a Primeork or some of the other Xenos of the week from the HH.

Doesn't change that Eldrad's still a weak Psyker but the Eldar's best and that Phoenix Lords are even't Chapter Master level but some people insist they're Primarch level

I guess what I'm asking is why are Primarchs pretty much bettert than everyone at everything? Seems stuish that they beat everyone at everything pretty much

>>51626734
>The Yncarne isn't even as dangerous as most Culexus Assassins, let alone a Primeork or some of the other Xenos of the week from the HH.

Based on what exactly?

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When's the next Global tournament?

>>51626739
Since it cannot kill anyo e, except eldars.

>>51626734
I would like to see chapter master try to beat Jain Zar lol.

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>>51626581

The way I see it, there should be something that sets your force apart, but it should not be overly different from what the faction as a whole stands for.

Last one I did up was for a Tau force I did for a Tale of 4 Gamers. I wanted a force based around desert warfare, with no heavy suits or vehicles, focusing on hit and run raids. I've got an idea in my head for my Ork force which is far, far larger, just haven't gotten around to penning it yet.

>>51626642
They need to gather a set of swords to awaken Ynnead now.

Also the PL's hour is in the Rhana Dandra. This isn't the Rhana Dandra so they have no purpose in the narrative. Quit bitching about them. It's like wanting Primarchs in 40K.

>>51626759
>it's not a killing machine so it's not dangerous

It has control over life and death and killing any of its Eldar will just result in them possibly coming back while making everyone stronger. The Ynncarne has huge potential to be fucking busted in-universe, not as a killer but as a supporter.

>>51626699
1 Melta, 1 Plasma, and a Demolisher cannon is probably not going to get the job done vs. armor and MCs even at low points. Sure you have a lot of bodies, but most of it is extremely non-threatening. Just piles of MEW that aren't even ObSec so It's not like you can try to hunker down on objectives,

Either turn some of your squads into cheap effective Castellan troops like MSU Melta Scions or abandon Castellan entirely.

>>51626759
It killed a lot of daemons and weakened the position of Slaanesh.

>>51626650
aaand i also want penal legion guardsmen, they will be the "Test Rats" of our force, I'll even hang corpses from the dunecrawler, for.. decorative and ballistic test purposes. Gotta see how normal men work under pressure.

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>>51626766
Did someone called me?

>>51626759
>Since it cannot kill anyo e, except eldars.
Huh? Where are you getting that exactly?

>>51626805
Gotta love that tiny blade at the end of the TL autocannon

>>51626785
>It has control over life and death and killing any of its Eldar will just result in them possibly coming back while making everyone stronger.
Nope, Ynnead consumes souls, and somehow empowering Slaanesh.

>>51626709
never noticed that forehead on the Horatio
and now they look even more ridiculous

>>51626766
Well I mean she's died to random Night Lords before. And Karandas died to a Dreadnought. Other than Maugan Ra Phoenix Lords have always been pretty pathetic in-universe.

>>51626794
>and weakened the position of Slaanesh.
>since 6th edition fluff says that Slaanesh will be undefeatable if somehow manages to create own avatar
>in Fall of Cadia Abbadon gives Fulgrim innocent alpha+ psyker.
>>51626806
Destruction of Biel-Tan.

>>51626814
Ynnead gonna bitchslap his whore sis in her place, and then they gonna fuck all the lesser races.

>>51626838
Well nope, he already have one big problem.

>>51626829
You have the book?

>>51626671
If they ever combine the AdMech into one actual codex I'd love for them to do sub-armies like the AdMech has in 30k. Except instead of the Legio Cybernetica they could have Explorator armies or something. Though I guess the current Skitarii codex is basically that.

>>51626814
That's bullshit, Anon. Source and quote.

>>51626783
>It's like wanting Primarchs in 40K
Y-yeah that would not happen

>>51626829
And this WD months says that the Ynnari inflicted heavy losses on Slaanesh and due to his weakened position the other Chaos Gods the turning on Slaanesh. Using Slaanesh's current weakness to sit him up for a fall.

>>51626857
WD, somehow Ynnead and Ynnari actions empowering Slaanesh presence in real space.

>>51626791
Well, only vehicles anyone uses over here is 1 Dreadnout, 2 Drop Pods and a Necron Ark so I figured I might get away with it. See where you're coming from, though. Gonna see how I could otherwise maybe get a working kinda-fluffy Templars list going.

>>51626866
That's not what the WD says.

>>51626866
Quote, Anon. Gimme a screenshot or picture.

>>51626866
Are you one of those people who were saying "Ynenad is corrupted because he is pink" or that "Belisarius blew Cadia by messing with pylon" before the books came out?

>>51626895
Cawl didn't blow the pylons you fucking idiot, Abby crashed his space station in to.

>>51626866
Bullshit

>>51626906
Can you fucking read?

>>51626906
Anon, please learn to read.

>>51626906
Triggered.

>>51626866
I just reread all the FoB sections in my copy of WD. It says nothing of the sort.

>>51626785
We'll see. In-universe I don't know many times a 'support' being gains the advantage over someone who can punch harder.

>>51626913
>>51626917
Fuck off, retards.

Maybe if you actually read the book instead of regurgitating memes you would know how fucking misinformed you are
>Le armless warnaster xDDD

>>51626933
Anon, if you're not trolling, you are one of the dumbest motherfuckers on this site. Holy shit.

>>51626933
They aren't saying Cawl blew up Cadia you idiot.

>>51626879
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>>51626879
>>51626895
>>51626929
Let me guess, the next posts, you start posting bullshit like "it's just average tuesday in 40k"?

>>51626581
I read in a GW article (maybe on the blog) that special characters need to be exceptions and paragon's. This might apply to your own fluff for your army. They should be paragon's if that army style but also have a unique exception

>>51626950
What are you even talking about?

>tfw really want to make a huge set of interchangeable trench pieces

>>51626974
About GW-defenders, they will say anything to push new products forward.

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Remove Ynnead

>>51626984
Get the fuck out, Anon, holy shit.

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Can't wait for a Great Crusade 2!

Xenos should be our servants or be dead.

>>51626996
Make me, fanatic.

>>51626984
What does that have to do with calling out completely uniformed misinformation about fluff? GW does enough pants on head retarded stuff all the time without you needed to make up bullshit.

Are you the guy who keeps whining incessantly about Eldar not winning or something?

>>51627010
You could stay if you didn't shit up the thread with mad ramblings in barely legible english.

>>51626568
so i just bought my first 40k models in a decade. 10 ork boyz and 5 nobz.

why do i do this to my self. i was almost a normie.

>>51627032
You shouldn't have started.

Orks are so shit,they have their own tier in the power rankings.

>>51627014
>Are you the guy who keeps whining incessantly about Eldar not winning or something?
Nope, why should I care not-existed faction.

>>51627041
Go and stay go.

Could I reasonably make a guard regiment whose entire purpose is to hunt fallen marines?

>>51627032
I'm sorry anon. I hope 8th ed. will be kinder to Orks. By the way consider purchasing the "Trukk Boyz" and "Start Collecting" boxes if you want more Orks. They're much better deals then buying the boxes separately.

>>51627032
Convert the nobs to be squad leaders, they look much better and nob squad nobs are shit.

>>51626785
But anon its not exactly what some of the eldar players wanted so playing eldar is still suffering.

Eldar players, they have an army that will allow them to do anything in 40k including bitch about being shafted.

>>51627049
Why should I care about the whining a of a non existent aeldari player.

You cannot make me leave, facist.

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Rate my list. Name of List should be Templar + Skitarii but whatever.

>>51627041
>Nope
Fair enough. Still my point remains, you seem to have some major misconceptions about the fluff.

>old warhammer minis were out of metal
>bulky, hard
>could withstand beeing handled by men
>new warhammer minis are packed with fiddly extensions like feathers and shit
>soft plastic
>can't touch, let alone transport the new centerpiece models without breaking them

when will they stop to design for girlish hands

>>51627083
any gaps in list, unnecessary redundancies, etc.?

>>51627082
Make your stand on 4chan, anon.

>>51627050

Ally in an Inquisitor and you're set.

Aside from that? Could work in a major battlezone, where Traitor Marines are encountered more commonly. Like a specialist force to go after them.

>>51627083
Greyfax seems a bit obsolete.

Also, what's that point limit?

>>51627066
The cheese get's cheesier, the neglected stay neglected, true for all armies, and eldar as well.

>>51627092
Watch out, he'll think you're telling him to stand on his computer.

>>51627083
Why would you take transuranic arquebus on the dominus maniple? You can only twinlink units within 18 inches so that kinda defeats the point of taking a sniper rifle with a 60" range. Also split up the vanguards into smaller squads to force your opponent to either split their fire or risk wasting fire overkilling single squads.

>>51627101
I chose greyfax for her psychic abilities; I thought denying the enemy overwatch would be a powerful tool when playing templars.

In regards to points I wasn't really thinking about that, the list is more so representative of a general strategy than a finely tuned list. Assume I would be playing at 2,000.

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>>51626568
Best fortification for orks? Im thinking a skyshield to park lootaz and mek guns on.

>>51627113
Thanks for the advice, I will implement it.

>>51626766
Dude a Chapter Master could easily kill Jain Zar. Phoenix Lords can't even beat Dreadnoughts

>>51627037
i doubt it matters in a very causal setting.

>>51627052
ok thanks. the start collecting box looks pretty nice.

>>51627060
that was the plan. the old nobz in the boy set are just terrible. the regular boyz look great though.

orks got so many units i dont remember at all. what the fuck is a gorkanaut?

>>51627133
>Ork beard

TELL ME MORE.

>>51627152
>gorkanaut
mini-stompa

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>>51626929

I want to buy Nids. Best way to start on them? Is Start Collecting good, what about Armoured Assault?

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>>51627158
Hair-squigs

If i wanted to make a fan codex or dataslate, is there a template? or would I have to make mine own?

>>51627189
Why would you ever do such a horrible thing

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Revised roster. Any unnecessary redundancies, gaps in list, etc,? Point limit is 2250.

>>51627181
Slaanesh is angry at/scared of Ynnead and so sends a lot of Daemons at the Ynnari. It says nothing about "empowering Slaanesh presence in real space.".

>>51627181
That doesn't say anything like what you're claiming.

>>51627151
I seriously wish the other factions could get characters as strong as Primarchs. Seems totally biased for everyone else to be shafted

>>51627121
This because Im retarded and posted in the wrong thread

>The Yncarne attacks first.
>6 attacks, hitting on 3+ results in 4 hits.
>4 hits, wounding on 2+ results in 3.36 wounds.
>Celestine makes 1.68 saves with her 4+ Invulnerable save, resulting in 1.68 unsaved wounds.
>Celestine shunts 1.68 wounds to a Gemini Superia.
>Celestine's unit is afflicted by Soul Blaze.
>Celestine attacks second.
>5 attacks, hitting on 4+, results in 2.5 hits.
>2.5 hits, wounding on 5+, results in 1.66 wounds.
>The Yncarne makes 0.55 saves with his 5+ Invulnerable save, resulting in 1.13 unsaved wounds.
>The Geminae Superia attack third.
>6 attacks, hitting on 4+ results in 3 hits.
>3 hits, wounding on 6+ results in 0.5 wounds.
>The Yncarne makes 0.17 saves with his 5+ Invulnerable save, resulting in 0.33 unsaved wounds.
>Celestine's unit takes 2 hits from Soul Blaze.
>2 hits, wounding on 3+ results in 1.33 wounds.
>Celestine's unit makes 0.96 saves with its mixed armor save, resulting in 0.37 wounds.
The Yncarne has dealt 2.05 wounds.
Celestine's unit has dealt 1.46 wounds.
Celestine's unit regains 2 wounds per turn.
The Yncarne's damage is reduced by 0.11 for each Gemini that is dead at the start of each turn.
Celestine's unit's damage is reduced by 0.17 for each Gemini that is dead at Initiative step 4.

>Celestine wins in 6 turns.

>>51627196
why not? can't be any worse than what GW comes up with <cough> AL rules <cough> G cult <cough> and how they flop around and go back on what they have written.

>>51627152
Buy a loota/burna kit.
It has 5 bodies but enough weapons to equip 5 lootas, 5 burnas, 1 big shoota and 1 rokkit launcher.

You could buy one of those start collecting or armoured assault kits and turn some of the boyz in to speculistz

Tank bustas are a must have, as are lootas and bikers.

Whats a good way to make a fluff story featuring admech and the eechleasiary

>>51627236
Good. Ol' cele wont let no stinkin' xeno beat her
Only abby can do that :^)

Okay so I see tons of both crazy doomsaying over all Eldar dead and other people saying crazy stuff like an eldar character who can match something the Imperium has.

In all seriousness if noone has the book yet we probably can't say much. It'll probably be disappointing, Ynnead probably will not achieve anything, but at the very least lets just wait till we actually get the book before discussing another Eldar failure. Otherwise we just go in circle and circles around the same five or so WD pages.

>>51627238
because it's unofficial and therefore a total joke.

>>51627238
The fuck is worng with the current alpha legion rules?

>>51627211
Slaanesh can send daemons because she is empowered.

Slaanesh is making the daemons swarm reality for power and is therefore empowering forces in real space.

>>51627238
>AL rules
They fixed them.

>>51627236
Huh, forget about going up against Primarchs and Custodes, Yncarne can't even get through Celestine.

So this pretty much confirms Emperor far stronger than any Eldar God, also that Ynnead can't hope to fight Slaanesh, since the incarnate of Ynnead can't beat a random human with a little bit of Emperor power.

>>51627236
You forgot first row:
>Wild Yncarne appears!

>>51627264
Wait for the book. I'm done arguing with you.

>>51627188
Gotta love how orks pity humans, smaller, weaker, always squabbling and never content in the moment.

>>51627267
Yncarne is a shard of Ynnead. Ynnead power is dependent on how many Eldar souls are stored inside her.

>>51627267
Anon. Very little in the entire game can kill Celestine. Her rules are absurd. And fluff =/= rules anyway.

>>51627267
Every time someone mixed TT and lore, GW buffs Eldar and pushes back IA14.

>>51627236
I guess we will just forget about 4 psychic powers Yncarne have...

>>51627236
can you do a fight.between and avatar of Khaine V Ynnead

>>51626639
That's the Ordo Reductor, anon

>>51627203
Anyone?

>>51627309
Khaine always wins, Ynnead's attacks have Soulblaze so Khaine is immune, apparently.

>>51627309
The new avatar cant even hurt the old one b/c of soulblaze i think

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>>51626581

The organisation I work for is notorious for promoting people who fuck up, so I used this as the fluff for my deathwatch army.

It's such a low model count army that you can name every model and give them their own back story. The bigger the fuck up, the higher the promotion in the deathwatch.

So my watch master was a Custode keeping guard over the golden throne. During a momentary lapse in concentration, he tripped on a cable, unplugging it, and shorting it on the ground. This caused the golden throne to shut off for a split second, killing hundreds of thousands aboard ships that got lost in the warp as a result. The next day he was sent to the Deathwatch and promoted to watch master.

I know it's stupid, but I like it.

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How hard will I get beat with this list?

>>51627333
Promotion or "Stick them in an office where they can't fuck up directly"?

>>51627336
Scions have to be taken in platoons, they can't be taken in individual squads iirc.

>>51627345
It is a platoon, the platoon must consist of 1-5 Scions Squads and 0-1 Scion Command squads.

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>>51627344
It's law enforcement. So, they stick them in an office were they can't hurt anyone.

>>51627250
But anon we already did math, you need to put 2 wounds reliably into Celestine.

Armless the Harmless can't do that and the Wall can just hit and run him till Abaddon kill himself or Celestine kill him.

Celestine is a distraction carniefex if you go out of your way trying to kill her you will be losing resources into killing other shit.

>>51627257
>tfw I could bring the Eldar, Tau, C:SM, SoB, Ork, Grey Knight, and probably Chaos Demon codices roughly into line with the Necrons/Dark Angels/Imperial Guard power level with a handful of minor changes that don't affect the feel of the armies
>tfw it would only take a day or two
>tfw it would fix a bunch of incomprehensible rules in the process
>tfw it would also fix the internal balance so there's actually more than one way to play any given army
Why doesn't GW hire me to fix their shit? Or, you know, anyone?

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>>51627236

>>51626820

She actually wiped out the warband to a handful of guys. The NL were unable to beat her so Talos blew himself up while getting stabbed to maim her so a dread could finish her off. She actually did far better than Curze when he went up against twelve marines and got stabbed twice. Or Guilliman who got his ass kicked by a dozen AL infiltrators.

Also, Karandras never fought the dread. He just jumped in front of a Scorpion and Exarch to save them and so he could he get rezzed less than a page later.

Compared to Primarchs who job to regular marines, Captains, newly appointed Chapter Masters and forks. PLs are actually very well protected.

>>51627236
What is her point cost though?

And what about psychic bullshit and other rules like the wound healing from death? Though SoB does have Adamantium Will on everything.

>>51627379
She's 200.

I saw a screenshot of an upcoming rulebook that implied the Emperor is coming back, is it true?

>>51627236
You for got yncarne has fnp

>>51627372
Do Ynarii perils on any double on Santic

>>51627371
Have you tried asking them? Do you have a resume that could get you hired?

>>51627386
30k rulebook.

>>51627386
If you're talking about the custodes formation it's clearly a 30k thing.

>>51627386
That's 30k.

>>51626729
23.252

>>51627227
Help please

>>51627403
>>51627404
>>51627406
Thanks, I was worried 40k was going into End Times

>>51627384
I meant the dead girl, not the other dead girl.

>>51627236
And he can gtfo if you kill an enemy unit or lose an eldar unit using his special rule. I think it applies even if he is on the Board?

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>>51627315
I'm learning already!

What's a good weapons loadout and unit size for a Tactical squad in a drop pod?

10-man Combat Squad with Melta, Combi-Melta and ??? or jsut a 5-man squad with Combi-Melta and Melta?

Yes, I want to use them to break through tanky things.
No, Skyhammer is not an option.

>>51627379
Celestine has it? I don't remember since she is only a SoB by faction in everything else she could just be a Scout Marine on steroids

>>51627424
The Yncarne is 275.

>>51627369
But that wrong, we DID do the maths and his sword means he can put out more an 2 wounds a turn

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Choices, Choices!

>>51627333
Nice! my friend has an space wolf army that always deploys with a crazy legless commissar that just hovers around in a little yoda-like chair in the battlefield, he doesn't attack and can't do anything, at the end of turns the players just role scatter dice to see which direction he shimmies on over to next and what crazy jabbering he yells as he goes by.

>>51627371
Put your money where your mouth is and post some of your proposed changes

>>51627436
I just realized I have yet to see her new 200pt version and don't have the book for it so I could be wrong, but the SoB rule Shield of Faith gives Adamantium Will in addition to the 6+ invuln save and is on almost everything, including the old Celestine.

>>51627453
all hellions all of the time.

>>51627257
The state of 40k is a bit of a joke ATM. And you know what? The worse thing that can happen is that no one sees it, the best is some one at GW does see it and some is changed. Why not try?
>>51627259
It was the way they fucked around with the rules in the FAQ, because they clearly have not read their own rules.
>>51627266
Same, it was more a poke at the inept nature of GW, not agents AL.
>>51627371
100% this really.

So again I ask, is there a template? Or do I have to make my own?

>>51627306
The only Revenant powers we know of appear to be Witchfires, so he couldn't use them in close combat. The only other discipline he can generate powers from is Sanctic, and he still perils on any doubles so it's not worth bothering with.

>>51627309
That one's a non-starter. Avatar of Khaine is immune to any Flame and Soul Blaze weapons.

>>51627379
Celestine is 200. No word on The Yncarne as far as I'm aware.

>>51627388
Does he? I don't see it on his datasheet: >>51627372.

>>51627394
I suppose I should, but I'm guessing they won't be too keen on hiring someone from another continent that doesn't actually play the game or paint or really do anything with the hobby but post on Appalachian turkey carving forums.

>>51627236
Celestine shunts wounds before saves, and the Yncarne will be causing Instant Death to the Gemini.

Finally started working on the fluff for my Minotaurs Leviathan Dreadnought

For those who aren't aware, Leviathans are generally quite insane.

His name is Kerberos the three-faced, due to the three personalities he shows.

His first is the calm mentor, often ignored by the Legion due to their nature. Though he will offer advice for those who will listen.

The second is a wild beserker, which if his behaviour was seen by an inquisitor, there would be a chance of being put down in his brutality. This personality is generally the one that comes out in the battlefield, but he is never provided weapons on board the fleet when he is awoken just in case

The third personality is where he claims to be Asterion Moloc himself, providing tactical genius and skill in close combat. This is generally laughed off as insanity, coming out because of how long he has fought underneath Asterion's command.
though darker rumours still follow the story that Asterion Moloc has actually been many Astartes, just being replaced when he dies, and that one of these previous Asterion's were interred in the Dreadnoughts shell.

Mysterious or super gay, advice plz.

If you read about Asterion, apart of his fluff is that he has died multiple times, and other Astartes are chosen to become Asterion in their place, possibility even having Asterion's original personality forced in to them through Hypno therapy etc.

Also phone posting, so apologies for the lack of editing in post.

>>51627185
Don't.

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>>51627476
>Does he? I don't see it on his datasheet:

I do!

>>51627483
I'm aware of what I'm getting into, I just want something different from my other armies and no one plays Nids around me so it'll be fun. I'm prepared to lose a lot with them.

>>51627494
Good on you, fuck the meta, rules change.
Collect the army you want anon!
Also yes, get the start collecting.

>>51627453
Thanks, anon! Yummy.

>>51627436
>>51627462 here, downloaded the book and looked at her.

She doesn't have Shield of Faith anymore, instead she just straight up has Adamantium Will and a 4+ invuln so it is redundant.

And I am confused by what you mean by a scout on steroids.

Whats the clown God up to?

So, any chance that this might be alright?

Gotta hope that the Melta squad does some work on any vehicle they might field, though most don't have more than one, except for the ork guy who has a Gorkanaut, 3 Killa Kans, and 2 Deff Dreads with like a dozen bikes and 2 Gretchin squads.

>>51627476
Well, Sanctic 6 can remove Celestine in 1 turn, and revenant 4 can make him WS10 A7
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Soulburst can apply to whole formations at once. Not OP formations, but still.

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>>51627543
Whoops

>>51627502
Is their Armoured Assault box worth it too?

And yeah I've always liked Nids and been disapppointed no one plays them here, so I'm taking it on myself to add a little flare to the local scene. Everyone loves beating up on Orks and I'm sure Nids will be the same. Might even get a few early wins from people not really knowing what to do against them too.

>>51627548
What are the ones that can Reserves from turn 1 and who have Webway assault rule? Mind sharing, anon?

>>51627527
Doing a poke on the fact that new Celestine is only a SoB character due to faction. In everything else? She could be a marine character if she had T4

She doesn't have Acts of Faith.

>>51627447
Nop he insta kills the twins with his fist but his sword can't put enough wounds to actually hurt.

Datasheet vs datasheet Celestine wins always. If we add other crap Armless wins. Since we never see that honest 1v1 some anon always add some random bullshit like random havoc squad shooting her.

>>51627548
The only reason this isnt OP is because the units involved. imagine if it was a full unit of DA or something. can storm guadians take weapon platforms? i take it no?

>>51627327
>>51627328
Surely that would just mean that soul blaze doesn't trigger off the wounds and it just deals normal AP1 attacks.

If I hit you with a big burny sword, but your immune to fire, you still get hit with a big sword.

>>51627565
Swordwind but only in a special mission.

>>51627583
It say Immune to attacks with the melta, flamer or soul-blaze rule

>>51627557
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2016/12/40k-armoured-assault-pricing-breakdown.html
Judge yourself.

>>51627583
This same discussion was had way back in 6th(maybe even 5th) ed of fantasy: highelves had armour that made them immune of all flammoing attacks, therefore immune to dwaven flamming cannon balls.

it all comes down to the exact wording on the avatars rules, which i dont have in front of me

>>51627377
Uh how did Jain Zar do better than Curze? Jain Zar actually died, Curze and Guilliman didn't, that's a pretty big difference.

Also the fact that Karandas CAN be killed by a dread is proof enough. When's the last time anything but a Primarch managed to kill a Primarch (other than Kurze cause he let himself die).

I just don't understand people who think Phoenix Lords can match Primarchs, in TT or lore. Magnus alone could probably take out all the Phoenix Lords in lore.

>>51627585
So like Valedor... laaaaame :)

>>51627595
>Magnus alone could probably take out all the Phoenix Lords in lore.
Does he fight back, or does he hide in his pyramid and cry the whole time? Is there some hitherto unknown macguffin nearby that he could steal or destroy instead of killing them?

>>51627453
Wait. No Avatar of Khaine? But Phoenix Lords? What, no I must be missing something. Why would there be no Avatar of Khaine if Biel-tan and the Phoenix Lords are there?

Also I see Lelith comes along (cucking poor Vect even more I see) but no Drazhar.

>>51627487
Good call. Celestine's unit does 0.96 wounds per turn, and Celestine kills him in 7 turns.

>>51627478
Another good call. He'll be doing 0.83 wounds per turn directly to Celestine after the first, so he'll actually kill her in just a hair over 6 turns. It's actually close enough that it comes down to the order that we resolve Healing Tears and Soul Blaze in.

So, The Yncarne wins, due to his higher initiative.

>>51627595
That is the problem with mon'keigh thinking. When your primarch dies, its dead. When Phoenix Lord dies it does not give a shit, just jumps back into next combat.

>>51627595
>. When's the last time anything but a Primarch managed to kill a Primarch
Dorn died to berzerkers, Magnus, Angron and Mortarion were banished by marines.

>>51627541
Not much it seems. Seems Khaine, Isha and Cegorach are just kinda fading into obscurity. Weird too since both Khaine and Cegorach seem clearly stronger than Ynnead.

>>51627615
Why would an Avatar of Khaine fight for another god's army?

>>51627627

Isha freed from Nurgle when

>>51627615
Isn't some idiot fluff said that Avatar of Biel-Tan dont have his shard of wailing doom (lol, what? it is part of the avatar that regenerates magically at the shrine after it is slain) and now GABRIEL ANGELOS have weapon made from that shard.

I fucking hope this shit is not considered canon.

>>51627619
>When Phoenix Lord dies it does not give a shit, just jumps back into next combat.
So just like Talos gene-seed?

>>51627612
This is actually funny, for real, thanks anon. It doesn't change the fact though. Magnus, or Malcador, could probably both solo the Phoenix Lords as a group. Horus, Angron and Leman too most likely

>>51627647
Gene-seed don't equal memories and personality.

>>51627645
I'll have you know that those weapons were a house-warming gift from Farser Eldurd Ultron, given as a token of his respect and admiration.

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Can I get some feedback for this list? I have my boys blob with the mega force field big mek and a painboy. Behind them is another big mek attatched to the artillery giving them fearless and a 5+ save. Morkanaut for more fire power and the burnaz in the battlewagon as a distractionfex. Grots are just for tax.

>>51627623
>Dorn
>dead

>>51627619
Yeah but Primarchs make meaningful impacts which have long lasting impacts on the setting.

Also Primarchs can actually win battles of importance.

>>51627453
>it's literally Eternety King host list

>>51627665
B-b-but GW said it's not the End Times!

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REMOVE YNNARI

DARK eldar not DEATH eldar okay??

>>51627617
Oops, that should actually be a hair over 7 turns. He spends the first turn killing both Geminae. This one's a nail biter, folks.

>>51627658
Yeah, tell it Decimus.

>>51627658
THATS WHERE YOUR WRONG BUDDY
>t. blood angel, night lord, iron warrior etc

>>51627623
>Dorn
He's clearly not dead
>Magnus, Angron and Mortario
In all cases not dead. Besides, traitor Primarchs are jobbers, totally agree. Phoenix Lords are just weaklings AND jobbers

Think about it this way, Karandas and Jain Zar have both showed up in novels just to lose. How many times has Dante or Logan Grimnar showed up in a novel to lose a war or battle to some enemy?

>>51627573
>doesnt have AoF

Holy fuck... Wow

>tfw when sisters can't use their AoF when sqauded with Celestine because she isn't faithful

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>>51627645
I picked it up at the gift shop.

>>51627661
>orks list
GTFO pleb.

>>51627679
Why do you think greyfax hate her so?

its becuase she's a deamon

>>51627634
So the Phoenix Lords, the Aspects of Khaine himself, are turning from Khaine?

Also Biel-tan's ditching Khaine? Shit, I was kinda okay cause I was being told that Biel-tan would still be pretty unchanged, but being the Holy Warriors of Khaine was kinda what I liked about them. Fuck

>>51627685
kys tau faggot

>>51627673
Dethdar best 'dar.

Stupid hedonists.

>>51627677
Aah, no true scotsman, classic.

>>51627645
Still had it in Valedor

>>51627659
>>51627683
I wanna fucking kill myself.

>>51627573
>She doesn't have Acts of Faith.

She has Miraculous Intervention, which is what her Act of Faith was, though it is now rewritten. It used to be an act of faith, I guess it isn't now, even though it does the same thing. She also has Martydom which is a SoB special rule, that affects Acts of Faith.

In other words she has everything she had before. She still has her warlord trait that allows you to reroll tests for Acts of Faith and War Hymns. The only thing that makes her less SoB is that since Miraculous Intervention is no longer called an Act of Faith if she is put into a another unit they can't use theirs. But you don't need to do that since she brings her own unit with her. Still weird though.

Her Saintly Blessings are basically Acts of Faith anyway.

>>51627664
How many necron dynasties did the Primarchs Defeat?

Phoenix Lords 1. Primarch not even born.

>>51627615

Lelith joining Ynnari is a logical conclusion of her anti-drug stance. The Dark Eldar existence is based on using others as a drug (with building tolerance and increasingly worse withdrawal effects), Lelith hates drugs, Ynnead provides another way to evade Slaanesh, Vect gets dumped.

>>51627740
Which Necron Dynasties did the Phoenix Lords defeat?

Also how many galaxies did the Phoenix Lords Conquer? How many Strongest Servants of the Chaos Gods have they destroyed?

I don't like it anon, but everything jobs to Primarchs. Except the Emperor. Although I guess he does kinda job to Horus in a way, depending on the validity of old fluff.

>>51627705
Dont let us stop you anon.

>>51627752
Lol poor Vect, loses Commoragh and then Lelith all in same go, no wonder her's pissed of at Ynnead.

>>51627476
yncarne is 275 points, yvraine 200 and visarch 150

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what's everybody's favourite scenario that isn't in the BRB? (whether it's a custom thing, something from a white dwarf, etc).

I played two games of Archeotech Hunt today - the scenario that was in white dwarf when Kataphrons were first released. Gotta say I love the variant mysterious objective table.

Hey, what's this I hear about the Warhammer rpgs changing hands from Fantasy flight? Is that an actual thing?

>>51627679
You see why she is only a SoB due to faction?
>>51627708

That is the problem you can't have her with a Seraphim squad for example. Since they can't use their AoF.

The buff Wall gives do not actually help SoB units.

Vyridian doesn't even have a Rosarius for fuck sake

>>51627670
Well, you chose to trust GW... now go and buy new Roboute "totally not toy, since we aren't toy company" Guilliman

>>51627453
Wait, waht the fuck? No Avatar of Khaine? So Biel-tan is fucking getting destroyed. So what the Phoenix Lords are just abandoning Khaine for Ynnead? I swear what's GW's issue with Khaine, can they not let him do something cool for once, he's gotta be the biggest loser in the entire universe

>>51627752
>Lelith hates drugs,
She hates chemical drugs, not souldrinking

>>51627777
>Is that an actual thing?
Yep

>>51627753
>Which Necron Dynasties did the Phoenix Lords defeat?

>Also how many galaxies did the Phoenix Lords Conquer? How many Strongest Servants of the Chaos Gods have they destroyed?

No-one knows because there aren't any trucking books about it.

It's easy to have a thousand confirmed kills if 4/5 books are about you.

>>51627794
Yo, she ynnaeri now!

>>51627777
It's year old "news" too.

>>51627794

Drug's a drug. She clearly put up with souldrinking only because getting Slaanesh'd is worse.

>>51627371
Cant have someone showing how incompetent the devs are.

>>51627806
>no books about it
So how do you know any of it happened anon?

>>51627815
>She clearly put up with souldrinking only because getting Slaanesh'd is worse.
Proofs? The codex says she dislikes drugs because loves to enjoy pure souldrinking.

>>51627753
Insignificant mon'keigh and their insignificant matters. Our old wizard at deaths doorstep meleed your Mightiest Perfect Primarch empowered by chaos gods so hard, he had to be rescued by his babysitters. Fighting you is just entertainment to us.

>>51627829
What? When did any of this happen?

>>51627753
>>51627806
For fuck sake guys. The PLs are getting novels written about them. Asurman got one plus an upcoming audiobook where he tag teams with a young Eldrad.

Jan Zar is also getting one where she butts heads with Eldrad.

>>51627789
The Avatar is a temporary thing born of the Infinity circuit, Biel-tan's got wrecked, so unless another craftworld just happened top pass by with a recently created avatar...

Also Khaine is the god-killer, you think they'd have him even in the same quadrant as their new born god?

What's your favorite aspect of Aeldari lore?

>>51627457
Well, for starters, all Tau MC suits become Walkers, most Eldar units either lose the D or get it gimped much harder than it is, Grav weapons use the 30k rules (strength test, AP4, leaves a difficult terrain marker), and the Repressor becomes codex standard and gains an assault ramp. That kind of stuff.

>>51627469
The digital codices have the necessary images embedded in them. Getting all the formatting right is going to be a nightmare, though. I'd recommend just using the rules wiki page as your base instead of trying to make a faux codex.

>>51627850
>The PLs are getting novels written about them.
Yeah just in time when they aren't relevant for the setting anymore.

>>51627839
When Eldrad fucked up abaddon in close combat so he had to be saved by chaos gods themselves.

>>51627852
I think friendship with Imperiuum, we need to build glorious Alliance in space.

>>51627852
For Ynnari, the fact that all of them are sort of mini-Exarch style gestalts.

>>51627863
PLS GW HIRE HIM

>>51627866
Abaddon is not a primarch, not even a clone of one.

>>51626990

Make Commoragh great again!

>>51627863
>Grav weapons use the 30k rules (strength test, AP4, leaves a difficult terrain marker),

>Giving army wide haywire to all marines
steller work

>and the Repressor becomes codex standard and gains an assault ramp. That kind of stuff.
u wot m8, whats wrong with the rhino?

Gathering Storm 2 Saturday bois are you ready for even more dumb shit happen and races continue to not be relevant at all. All brought to you by the master writers at Games Workshop

>>51627778
Could you even put her with a seraphim squad? It says she is an independent character, but only her, not her Geminae. And since half her rules are only usable for SoB I am going to go ahead and say she is still very much not anywhere close to only being a SoB by faction and therefor a buff scout marine with 1 less toughness. I don't get it.

Veridyan should be kept out of the firing lines anyway if you can help it, her purpose is her aura.

>>51627884
Abaddon is clone of Horus and have all of his power (and even more because of chaos stuff)

>>51627850
Yeah but check this out, does Asurmen beat anyone of importance in his novel? Jain Zar if going up against a literal group of random Ork whos

Not to mention both books are more about Asurmen and Jain Zar fighting fucking Eldrad.

Phoenix Lords pop up in random books to lose to Marines, why in Phoenix Lord books can't people like Dante and stuff show up to lose to Phoenix Lords to make them look intimidating for a change?

Honestly there have been, what, one Phoenix Lord book and now a second one coming? And you act as if its unacceptable for the Phoenix Lords to maybe get to do cool stuff in their books like Marines do all the time. Its just two books is all, its not even a lot.

>>51627884

Abaddon is more important than Primarchs, he's cucked everyone he could find into submission. Magnus got butthurt about it and was forced to kneel.

>>51627852
Dunno, may be the fact how superior they are compared to Eldars.

>>51627904
>>51627908

Didn't I tell you to go earlier? You don't know anything and your spouting complete bullshit fucks up whole threads.

>>51627902
Her rules says something like "she can join squads along with her groupies, if she leaves, her posse leaves with her"

>>51627904
Horus was a lieutenant, he destroyed the clones as they were incarnations of Horus' failure.

>>51627906
>Jain Zar if going up against a literal group of random Ork whos
So what? Bitch was killed by Night Lords Dreadnought.

>>51627661
Doesn't the kustom force field replace the shooting weapon on a mek?

>>51627852

I love how unique and awesome all the new Aeldari™ stuff is, respect the amazing new Ynnari™ faction! All my favorite models from the Drukhari™ and Aeldari™ lines are playable in one army! How cool is that? Best of all, they have the sweet new Triumverate™ of Ynnead™ with three awesome new incredibly detailed models! What's not to love about this new addition to Warhammer 40,000™?

>>51627851
So the Phoenix Lords, literal incarnations of Aspects of Khaine, are ditching Khaine?

In Games Workshop Universe Phoenix Lords can never beat Dante or even Colonel Straken because they're all characters with models but only Phoenix Lords have the "can die in fluff but come back" gimmick.

That's also why Eldrad beat Abaddon, of the two only Abaddon has "Chaos Gods will intervente to save him from death" fluff.

>>51627933
>All my favorite models from the Drukhari™ and Aeldari™ lines are playable in one army!
And remember anon it's totally not army of united elves from End Times. Report about anyone who says something opposite to warhammer community site

>>51627804
>>51627813
Who did they go to and any further news?

Been out of the loop for a long while, I live in the middle of nowhere.

>>51627930
Well that's my point. The Phoenix Lords are a bunch of fucking pushovers, like all the characters who aren't Primarchs.

Actually that's my fucking point, why is every character in the setting inferior to the Primarchs?

>>51627918

But anon, it's you who don't know fluff and are spouting shit. Pls stop projecting.

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>>51627776
this being the table in question.

>>51627476
he does have fnp, check the ynnead stirs. Gives fearless and fnp to him and units in a bubbe

>>51627936
They aren't ditching him, HE ISN*T IN THE BIEL-TAN CRAFTWORD AND CAN NEVER BE BORN FROM IT AGAIN.

Also Khaine is a shitbag, a necessary evil to oppose the greater evil, he murdered the gods the Phoenix Lords represent.

>>51627954
>Who did they go to
Nobody.

>>51627957
>why is every character in the setting inferior to the Primarchs?
Because GW audience buying Primarchs.

>>51627946
But they don't need to kill them. One can easily have a confrontation in which someone emerges a winner without the other party having to die. Look at Shadowsun and Ko'sarro, or Cato and Farsight.

Why do Phoenix Lords job to random mooks in novels but we never see Logan, Dante and such getting thrashed by Phoenix Lords to make them look good for a change?

>>51627333
>That story
>He tripped
>Poster gets trips
The Emperor smiles upon your humour, anon.

>>51626772
>I wanted a force based around desert warfare, with no heavy suits or vehicles, focusing on hit and run raids
This is quite similar to mine. My Tau are jungle/swamp fighters though and the only suits permitted (aside from the commander) are stealthsuits and a single Ghostkeel (I don't run the formation). I haven't written much about them but the gist is that while stationed on their verdant world, they learned a lot of guerilla-style fighting, and improvisation skills from their kroot allies. Lots of hit and run, bait and ambushes, basically a mix of Kroot with Kauyon.

Also I field a vindicare assassin fluffed as a Kroot Headhunter out to become the single greatest hunter in the universe. He helps my cadre out and in return they give him his choice of the corpses, those who showed the most exceptional skills and reflexes for him to eat/assimilate.

>>51627932
The mega force field is an artifact so you can have it and a gun

>>51627869
Could you please name a few occasions when the Imperium and Aeldari worked together?

>>51627548
>>51627453

Have you got the soulbound vanguard sheet?

>>51627984
>Could you please name a few occasions when the Imperium and Aeldari worked together?
Fall of Cadia, Siege of McCrage

>>51627828

No, it says she likes to experience the killing blow with a clear head. She can still do that while Ynnari, who don't need increasing amounts of tortured souls to survive like Dark Eldar.

>>51627970
The Phoenix Lords represent Khaine!

Asurmen is Khaine as the defender, Jain Zar his scream, Fuegan his rage and such. Literally they are the ASPECTS of Khaine.

Also who cares if Bieltan lost its Avatar (I do that really sucks) Ulthwe is part of the Ynnari too, what they lost their Avatar as well? Every single Craftworld who joint the Ynnari conveniently lost their Avatar?

>>51627990
But torturing souls not only saves DE from Slaanesh but also empowering them.

>>51627875
No offense but the correct plural of Gestalt is Gestalten (keep in mind that the first letter should be capitalized to avoid confusion. "gestalten" means to design)

>>51627949
That's silly! End Times™ was an event for the Games-Workshop™ Warhammer Fantasy Battles™ game line that lead into the amazing Age of Sigmar™ game filled with hundreds of detailed models. We're talking about Warhammer 40,000™ in this thread,

>>51627984
Stop calling them that you sound like a cunt

>>51627973
Well give the other guys a fucking chance, please, I'm sick and tired of everything revolving around one group of characters

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I can't find a good way to production line them.

>>51627994
>Ulthwe is part of the Ynnari too, what they lost their Avatar as well? Every single Craftworld who joint the Ynnari conveniently lost their Avatar?
S-s-should we tell him?

>>51627974

People complain and whine about Space Marine/Tau BFF's all the time. If two champions meet in the battlefield of grim darkness it shouldn't end in other guy running away or them parting as buddies, it should end in death.

>>51627892
>Implying 1 shot haywire is worse than 3 shots damaging and immobilizing on 6s with rerolls
Rhinos can't get melee units without armor saves into close combat. An assault vehicle is mandatory for making Repentia and DCAs worth the cost of the ink to print their statline.

>>51628001
German rules don't apply for load words, Hans.

>>51627994
They feed the NuVatar the contents of the infinity circuit to empower it.

>>51627869
More like slavery, Eldar now Imperium's bitches

Worst part is with Guilliman coming back the Imperium's about to get its shit together, Great Crusade 2: Electric Boogalo, and probably curbstomp every single other faction in the game harder than the Imperium already has. Bye-bye other armies

>>51628004
It's the new correct term and it will be accepted eventually. Why not start using it now?
It sounds much better than "Eldar" anyways. Gives the Aeldari a more aesthetic and mysterious vibe

>>51628008
Relax dude, since Ynnead are Guilliman sidekick I think he will have few pages.

>>51628003
Age of the emperor when?

Maybe if they throw out all the rulebooks, then my Orks will have good rules.

>>51627974
Cos GW is full of shit, thats why.
They wanted to tarnish us in novels, but we only gained strength from our hatered. Now we swipe tabletop proving our superiority. Cant wait for Robot Girlyman model so i can fuckign decimate his ass.
Actually no, it would be unfriendly attitude.

>>51628024
loan*

>>51627997

Yep, but Ynnari also get boosts when people die around them - without needing to bother torturing them or the fluff drawback of needing more and more torture and victims - and they don't have to worry about Slaanesh either since they're absorbed by Ynnead hivemind.

>>51627968
See:
>>51627617
>>51627674

>>51626772
Also good writefagging, but just one thing: the Tau fleet couldn't have come out of the immaterium as they don't use the warp for travel.

>>51628017
But there are fucking tons of fights which end that way, between Primarchs too. Look at Ghazghkull versus Belial for example, or Kharn versus Azrael.

>>51627994
Right Asurmen has no connection to Asuryan
Jain-zhar none to Morai-Heg.

>>51628024
Thanks for the advice, I was not aware of that.

By the way, Hans used to be a popular name in the past but it isn't anymore. Next time use Julian, Florian or David

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>>51626581
I personally tend to just have an idea, and then start to work around of how it would happen in 40k.

My initial idea was that of two forces, DE and CWE ones, that often work closely together, along with Harlequins. I had this idea when I started collecting DE as well, while I already had an established CWE army, years ago.

My lore for my Craftworld, Deldar and Harlequins is that the Deldar and CWE groups descend from the same population of Eldar that lived in a far flung periphery webway port of the Old Eldar empire, which supplied a bunch of trading ships that mostly did some resource collection in the local star systems.

For them, the fall was basically the giant city in the distance, that their small hilltop town had always seen in the horizon, suddenly going dark, and a soul chilling wind blowing trough their idyllic little town.
They knew that something horrible had happened, but not exactly what.

The dysfunction caused by Slaanesh broke the biggest webway gates that in the past, had allowed the big trade ships to enter the port town, which led to the port town's trade ships congregating into a fleet for their mutual protection, as they could not enter the safety of the webway anymore, as only smaller gates remained.

Over the millenia, the rest of the surviving eldar societies caught up to these backwards hicks both in the webway and in the real space, and drew both groups into their respective directions, and by the 41'st millenium the port town has been under the influence of Commoragh for ages, and the former trade fleet has become a minor craftworld, under the guidance of Craftworld Iyanden, which discovered them somewhere in the 34th millenium.

Though both groups have diverged, they still often work together, because they both descend from largely the same blood lines. In fact, the High Autarch of the Craftworld is a second cousin of the Archon that rules over the port town.

Seeing all the rules about slaying other Aeldari models, it seems like Eldar civil war is what will be happening.

>>51628063
>Jain-zhar none to Morai-Heg.
yep she connected with Khaine aspect which given by Morai-Heg

>>51628028
I don't want the Eldar to be glorified sidekicks!

I'd like a Warp God to be of more importance, or a bigger event in the metaphysical laws of the universe, than a single Primarch being healed.

For that matter is resurrecting Roboute all that Ynnead is gonna be good for? Can't Ynnead beat someone at least.

>>51628069
Oh, and Harlequins are tied to both of them, because the Harlies like it when Deldar and CWE work together.

>>51627933
Triumverate is not trademarkable as GW didn't shit that word out of their random generator, it's roman.

>>51628018
Yep grav is way wose than haywire, but the problem with grav can be solved by not giving it to every god-damned marine, not replaceing it with the same level of haywire.

I say strip all grav weapon from everyone who is not a centurion, a tank or an HQ, and allow tacticle termintors to have a TL grav gun as a special weapon. there, now the only chasis that can have them are expencive, thus stoping them being spammed.

and they dont compeate with plasma now

>>51628076
nah, only most of CWE and DE joined to Ynnari.
Or you mean something which will be totally not Aestyrion's host vs Phoenix King's host?

>>51628063
Dude, there are associations, this is known, but the fact remains that it is basic canon that the Phoenix Lords represent the ASPECTS of Khaine. Really ready the Eldar Codex or the Asurmen book, this is the basics of Phoenix Lords

>>51628079
Warhammer -65.000.000 when?

>>51628076
nah, it was in End Times

>>51627933
Ynnead isn't new.

>>51627852
Stop fucking using that retarded name.

>>51628092
There is a difference though, in End Times the two forces were close enough in strength for the conflict to matter, in this the Ynnari are far too powerful for Vect and the Haemonculi (the only united group opposed to them) to fight right after recovering from as massive a blow as the loss of Commoragh

People should learn that eldar are polytheists. The Ynnari accept Ynnead as a nascent god in the pantheon. They don't have to abandon their other gods.

You can pay homage to Cegorach as a harlequin AND join the Ynnari cause. Or to Khaine as an Incubus or aspect warrior.

>>51628088
Triumv-I-rate is not trademarkable.

>>51628117
So why can't they field the Avatar of Khaine alongside Phoenix Lords and Aspect Warriors then?

I'm modelling truescale homebrew marines lads. Takes a while to do and I know it won't be permitted in tournaments. Was wondering what army would be best. Don't want to spend a lot of money but want a small force I can paint up fast and get playing with, 500-1000point range.

Tempestus?
Skitarri?
Dark eldar?

>>51628053

Yeah and all those are bad writing which makes the winning side look incompetent for not getting the fleeing guy.

Kharn vs Azrael in particular is inexcusable.

The only lore-justifiable non-lethal combat between guys with models is Kharn vs Abaddon because Abaddon would like to show his superiority to mono-God Chaos by slapping Kharn and then dissing Khorne by not giving the Skull Throne a skull.

>>51628117
>People should learn that eldar are polytheists.
Here is the point, eldars, not aeldari

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REMINDER TO KILL DEAMON WORSHIPPING, KINSLAYING YNNARI FAGGOTS ON SIGHT!

VENGEANCE FOR BIEL-TAN!

>>51628124
Cos avatars are hogging bastards, they will not work together.

>>51628141

Yup. Khaine was an asshole. Phoenix Lords aren't like daemons and don't get their power from Khaine either, there's nothing stopping them from converting to Ynnead.

>>51628125
>paint up fast
Please take your time and produce high quality minis. They are already overpriced so might as well put some effort in painting them (unless you have an abundance of cash so do as you please)

>>51628157
So Biel-tan's whole Khaine thing is just gone? The Phoenix Lord's entire lore as the Aspects of Khaine incarnated just waved away?

GW really hates Khaine

>>51627852
I like how I thought my scat-bikes and wraith knights couldn't get any better and gamesworkshop threw a fast ball and proved me wrong! Bravo gamesworkshop.

>>51628091
30k gravguns are heavy 1, compared to salvo 3/6 for 40k. The 30k weapons statistically worse for killing vehicles when standing still than the 40k guns are after moving. There's no reason to make it impossible to take when it's not going to be worth taking most of the time anyway. Things will go back to seeing a mainly a mixture of plasma and lascannons, but now with a few gravguns mixed in for support. They probably won't even see use against vehicles at all because it can't explode a vehicle like a meltagun can, and it's nearly impossible to being enough to bear to take out a Land Raider in one round of shooting.

>>51627902
>Only usable by SoB
You didn't read them did you?
All her buffs work better with everything but SoB units

>>51628172
>GW really hates Khaine
Not exactly, nu-GW really hates settings like 40k and wanting to turn it inot single linear capeshit story.

>>51628172
There are still some that refuse to accept Ynnead, even among the Biel-Tan, who cling to the god of vengeance instead of rebirth.

>>51628185
Yeah but Khaine just lost the Craftworld most dedicated to him, and apparently all 7 his most important followers.

Not to mention Khaine's entire history is just one long slew of jobbing; jobs to Slaanesh, Avatars job to every single thing under the fucking sky

>>51628173
>scat
this is where you are right

>>51628191
But they're the minority. Biel-tan was the only major Craftworld explicitly predicated on an extreme devotion to Khaine and, now, that's gone.

Worse the Phoenix Lords are no apparently literal explicitly altering their fundamental nature by abandoning Khaine too.

When will Khaine just catch a break in the fluff. I just want Phoenix Lords to kick ass in the fluff and I want Khaine to actually be potent.

>>51628172

PL's are not Khaine incarnate or daemons, they were just Eldar who worshipped Khaine and, like the old Arha example showed, can start serving someone else.

>>51628181
I did. Beacon of Faith and Martydom only affect SoB. One is a SoB warlord trait and the other is a SoB special rule. Those are what I was referring to.

>>51628173
>scat-bikes

>>51628027
Aesthetic means pleasing to the eye.

Names don't make models looks nicer, so you clearly don't know what the word means and you are using it to try and increase the perception of your intelligence.

And if you do think the name makes them more aesthetic, why do you think we have the phrase "A rose by any other name would smell as sweet."

>>51628195
>Yeah but Khaine just lost the Craftworld most dedicated to him, and apparently all 7 his most important followers.
Pshhh... all craftworlds except yanden (most likely because 40k doesn't have Hotel-Loren equivalent) are gone.
I wonder who attacked Ulthwe, Decimus or Ahriman (since he working with Abbadon)?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/4nl8qj/the_tandaris_outbreak_white_dwarf_au_40k/ Any other scans fo white dwarf zombie stuff?

>>51628207
As an oldschool Bazhakhain fan I feel your pain, although I'd just like to point out that its not rosy on the Ynnari side either. Far as I can see not only is Ynnead weaker than Khaine but the Yncarne can't beat an Avatar of Khaine. And there's only one Yncarne!

Not to mention it doesn't seem like Ynnead and the Ynnari win any more fights or battles then we normally did anyway, so at the very least they seem to suck a bit more than us oldschool Eldar did.

>>51628171
I agree what I meant was wouldn't take a long time to paint a decent force. So fewer models.

>>51628218
You are right I did not know the meaning of the word. What I do know is that GW renamed their models so that's what I'm going to call them.

>>51627480
It's good, because leviathans are ripped as fuck.

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>>51627573
>She dosen't have Acts of Faith.

>What is Miraculous Intervention.

She even got her book warlord trait thats AoF related.

If you were being this retarded for replies you have succeded.

>>51628208
Read the opening preamble to Asurmen, Hand of Fate. Phoenix Lords are tightly connected to Khaine, but no I'm not saying their Daemons.

Also Arha is never explicitly stated to have turned his back on Khaine to my knowledge.

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Has Matt Ward been sperging and ejaculating all over the gw writing and modelling staff again?

>>51628247
In that case I'd recommend Skitarii as they have a very high PPM count

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>Watch the Yvraine Video on Warhammer Community
>Discussion afterwards details the various buffs Eldar will be receiving

I'm fucking speechless