/CofD/ &/wodg/ Chronicles of Darkness and World of Darkness

Ever been a Mage hunted by Banishers or Hunters?

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GAROU PRIDE
GAIA WIDE!

BEST TRIBE RED TALONS!

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So my cotorie stumbled on some murdered kids. A teenage girl walked in and started to blamed us for the killings. She chastised us and called us wretched creatures of the night. She called herself "Scorch, Talon of the Adamntine Arrow" in a theatrical manner. What's up with this crazy chick?

>>51624919

see >>51624915

>>51624919

I can grudgingly get along with weebs but

>Crystal

Eat shit. I hope you enjoy being assraped by a shitty ST with mary sue Mage DMPCs.

>>51624919
I don't man but if she knows you're vampires then you need to handle.

What's the worst that can happen? Just a crazy chick. Definitely not some kind of pyromancer or anything.

>an insidious Middle Eastern reptilian cabal that encourages every vice and supplies every deviant pleasure for a fee, stirs up racial tensions among black minorities and bankrolls "Wewuz Kangz" kooky egyptomanic religious cults
What did WW mean by this?

Where exactly do you find the rules to oWoD games? Like, the actual core rules on how the dice mechanics work and all that. I mean like something that explains what Difficulty is. I can't find it.

>>51624989

Core rulebook for whatever game line you are trying to play. There is no universal core rulebook like in nwod.

>>51624989
It's the "Systems" section or something in the core books, usually right after character creation and the power lists.

>>51624919

If this magical girl is competent, get ready to get fucked up the ass. You never fight Mages as a Kindred.

>>51624955
Thyrsus
Free Council

>>51624996
>>51625004
That's just the thing. That explains mechanics specific to the splat, but I don't see where it explains how to come up with your dice for rolls. I'm looking at V:TM 2e right now.

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>>51624909
But my fav are the Shadow Lords

Got my first WoD game starting up soon. How would you rate the community for the game?

So far I've got one guy pegged as a furry, and a furry lacking the self awareness to be low key about being a furry.

>>51625047
Oh, that's in the next chapter, called Drama. Why would the game system rules not be in the chapter called System, but in one called Drama?

>>51624919
>Obrimos Mage
>Any Vampire

Gee, I wonder what the outcome will be...

>>51625067

Sounds like a Changeling group to me.

>>51625008
What's worse our cotorie doesn't know what a mage is. We'd sooner try to scare her away or use disciplines to make her forget what she saw. We aren't really the murderous type.

>>51624909
>>51625063

Can the werefags please fuck off to hell?

>>51625076
>We aren't really the murderous type.

So your coterie is a group of friendly neighbourhood vampires?

Laaaaaaame

>>51625073
Could be just me and my luck with groups, but Werewolf played right really doesn't come off as a furry game you'd expect it to.

>>51624919
You're gonna end dead-er or being the manservants of a teenage magical girl

Awful, just awful ends your ST must really like mages or read /wodg/

>>51625089
We don't kill kids and don't kill those we feed off from. We killed a gang banger once.

>>51624919
Wait for her mentor to slap some shit into her and apologize for the misunderstanding.

>>51625115
>We killed a gang banger once.

Laaaaaaame

>>51625121

What if her mentor is a stereotypical Mage and just goes "YEAH MAGE POWER"

>>51625069
Wait no it's in Chapter 4, Rules. Why are the rules split up so much?

>>51625125
Hey we're new to this Vampire thing(fresh character creation). ST said that the girl was also fresh character creation Mage.

>>51625121
Do you really think her mentor is going to give a shit?

>>51625147
Maybe anon expects him to be hug wisdom or something.

>>51625143

If only she was of the Moros Path. You would have made an amazing ally.

>>51625160
>Mentioning Wisdom
>Laughing Master

>>51625091
>>51625073
We're playing Hunter so it's humans I think.

>>51625143

Despite claims to the contrary, crossovers do not work in CofD, and are in especially poor taste when used as your antagonists.

>>51625198
I think ST is setting her up as a NPC who get off on the wrong foot.

>>51625089
Can the Kindred be genuinely nice people?

>>51625233
Jerks with hearts of gold is like the best they can do. Expect Rogue "good"

>>51625249
Ok, how about fall in love? I always thought that the Daeva were a bit emotionally artificial.

>>51625233
>Kindred be genuinely nice people

The undead are not "people."

They are abominations and a pox on humanity.

They should all be destroyed either as a matter of justice or mercy.

>>51625262
They can fall in love.

>>51625269
Take it easy, Scorch!

>>51625262
There's a book about that. But that doesn't matter.

Here's the thing. You can do whatever the fuck you want. Want a genuinely nice Kindred? You can make one. Want love to be a more prominent element in your chronicle? Totally viable.

At the end of the day, you are literally playing make-believe. So you have all the creative freedom you want.

So guys, I want to run a Vampire game set in the Japanese 90s drifting scene and name it No One Sleep In Tokyo. ...And that's all I got so far. Hit me with some plot ideas/homebrew drifting rules

Can you offset defense against aimed spells by making said spell target an area instead of the person?

>>51625284
That's a fucking abysmal shadow name.

On a scale of 1 to 10, how terrified are the Kindred when it comes to Mages?

>>51625317
Abyssal?

>>51625298
>At the end of the day, you are literally playing make-believe. So you have all the creative freedom you want.
Yes, we all know that. That is an underlying assumption of all RPG talk. That's why he's asking about what's been written down.

>>51625284

What's the point of signing the Watchtower of the Golden Key and wielding the vast power of the Aether if you can't incinerate vampires every once in awhile?

>>51624919
When is your next game? Report back after

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>>51625299

>>51625340
This weekend. Mage girl was a cliffhanger

>>51625327
They aren't. Throw in a lack of information on them and your typical vampire's ego, they most likely just see them as humans with neat tricks.

>>51625327
>On a scale of 1 to 10, how terrified are the Kindred when it comes to Mages?

Young and inexperienced non-Obrimos mage - 5
Young and inexperienced Obrimos mage - 6
Experienced non-Obrimos mage - 8
Experienced Obrimos mage - 11

>>51625367
>They aren't

Probably the biggest mistake a Vampire can make when confronting one.

>>51625368
You forgot Moros. They can just as easily fuck up a Vampire in horrendous ways.

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>>51625249
>>51625262
>>51625273
>>51625298

Vampires can fall in love and even conquer ancient evils with the power of love. This was in true in VtM, I would be sorely disappointed if an ST was too much of a fag to let it happen in VtR.

>>51625299
>Kindred in Japan
Whoever wins the mountain championship gets to drift against The Gaijin. If you beat him you get embraced. If you lose you get ghouled.

Murdering people in anger because you lost races would be a thing
Convince their mechanics to sabotage cars or change to your side
Have a big earthquake go off during an importance race

>>51625396
The new clan weakness for the Daeva is all about obsession. It makes romance far more insidious, but still kinda gay. Not that it doesn't fit the theme of the Clan in question.

>>51625298
>There's a book about that. But that doesn't matter.
You have entirely missed the point. The book about it is exactly what matters. He's asking about the lore of the setting.

>>51625429

Why do you need to be a Daeva to feel love for someone else?

>>51624984
It means they took the Soros-pill. Now we just have to wait for the Egyptian Frog worshippers to fight against them.

>>51625327

Vampires are adorable, harmless little nocturnal critters. So helpless against magic. You should feel bad for them. All of them.

>>51625396
I'm not sure if that's a proper example considering Cristof carried over his mortal affections for Anezka. It's pretty much stated that vampires forget what feelings are supposed to, well, feel over time.

>>51625453

Only if you are a faggo who plays VtR

>>51625453

I thought it was more accurate to say that they can't feel newer and more complex emotions? Aren't their minds frozen at the time of the Embrace?

>>51625453
That's 1e shit

>>51625396
There was some stuff about emotional deadness in 1ed but they dropped it in 2ed. And thank exarchs for that.

>>51625434
You don't. Daeva aren't about love, per se, even though they do embody the more romanticized and sexualized tropes of vampires. They're just more likely to form attachments to humans because they spend more time with them and enjoy doing so, but the price they pay is that they can become addicted to somebody they feed on more than once.

Can Vampires smoke pot?

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So all this magewank has made me decide to read Mage stuff and see what it's all about

The very first paragraph of Mage: the Ascension 1e starts off with literal katana and trenchcoat. Given the time this was published, I assume it's unironic, too.

Have I read enough of Mage to gain a thorough understanding of Mage fans?

>>51625510
Yes, but I don't think it would do anything for them.

>>51625510
I had whole primogen tripping balls on mages blood once

>>51625528

So Vampires go to Mages to get their fix?

>>51625514
Thing with Mage players is they're basically Rules Lawyers: the Fanbase, which means you need to know every single game line and how it works to not get bamboozled by them.

>>51625514

YES. WE'RE ALL SAMURAI NINJA WIZARDS WITH TERRIBLE CRINGEY STYLE.

>>51625546
Ech I'm not sure but I think they also can get drunk/stoned if they drink blood of someone who was

>>51625552
You're referring to oWoD, Anon.

nWoD can be played without gimpin' anythin'

>>51625528
How did they even acquire blood of the Awakened? Clearly their dealer is a Mage. No Kindred is going to be dumb enough to attack one.

>>51625562

Vampires getting "high" off of Mage blood is apparently a very scary experience for them. They get a lesser version of Mage Sight but don't know how to deal with what they see. It's kinda sad, like watching your friend overdose.

>>51625580
The one they eat was Praetorian Ministry warmaster delivered nicely wrapped by Silver Ladder. They even put a cheery on top.

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>>51625440
I imagine the Children often paint their skin green in honor of their deity.

>>51625597
>Mages can't be Embraced
>Mages can't be blood bound
>Mages aren't even fun to Kiss

Jeez vamps don't have any kind of edge over Mages, do they? I suppose they can pull off their tricks in public, but they'd still get in trouble for it.

>>51625597
It kinda was. Carthian representative was frozen staring into the distance while Ordo Dracul guy who lost his childer to said mage was convinced he sees them in the corner of his eye

Speaking of mage I've been looking around for some ideas for something to run and I remembered the Mysterium Reclaimants. Would a chronicle about a mono-cabal of thieves (all players have to be Mysterium) be too focused? Oceans Eleven with magic honestly sounds pretty sweet.

Anyone know how Vampires worked around their daytime-absent issue on the Middle Age? When people had to meet with the lords/superiors and attend mass and stuff.

And were there any 'commoner' Vampire at that time? Well, Vamps tend to be quite selective about their childe, even more so when there were official social classes I guess.

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>>51625618
3000 years in Paint

>>51625622
Mage's can be ghoul'd, but it stalls their progress in advancing their power and eventually makes it stagnant.

>>51625652
>No dubs

You're no true child of the frog

>>51625622
>>51625644

I'm pretty sure a Mage could help them deal with what they experience, turning it into a pleasurable high. Having a Mage friend willing to share some of their blood is rewarding.

>>51624909
>Red Yiffs
>best at anything besides yiffing

>>51625656
Not just stagnant. It kills Avatar and makes him a muggle.

Oh and there can't be any ghoul or revenant being awakened into a mage.

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FUCKING NON MAGES GET OUT

REEEEEEEEE

>>51625668
Mage Sight isn't exactly fun, anon.

Tome of the Mysteries says it can actually drive new Mages insane if they can't get a handle on it. So I imagine it would be worse for Vampires.

>>51625697
I'm fairly certain seeing truths is a common metaphorical pleasure for a great many Mages, Anon.

Mystery is their theme, they get a rush off knowing these things. Not that you're incorrect, it can be overwhelming.

>>51625685
We're talking about CofD here, fagger.

>>51625685
Then it's diffrent in Ascension than it is V20, since the Tal'mahe'Ra very much has a in house faction of mages, some of which are ghoul'd.

>>51625720

The previous Anon is wrong. Only the Embrace destroys the Avatar, Ghouls suffer no such penalty.

It's still a bad idea to piss off the Traditions by ghouling anyone. They WILL get their revenge.

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>>51625695
no

>>51625730
Which is why you ghoul a ancient 'tradition' that has limited but still powerful spells... OR just don't fucking interact with god damn magi.

>>51625718
They can still be ghoul'd in CoD, anything can be fucking ghoul'd, that's the point.

>>51625730
Well, according to Blood Treachery, continuous Vitae ingestion slowly kills the Avatar.

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Was this a joke?

>>51625752
>They can still be ghoul'd
They most certainly can. It's just easier said than done, it's also extremely easy for them to break free.

>>51625767
>Blood Treachery
I stopped reading there.

>>51625739

Did the magefag hurt your feelings, little pup?

>>51625778
Jesus man please stop posting Ascension.

>>51625778
Seriously what kind of weeb calls people "sensei"?

Oh that thing in the brackets is something they forgot to edit.

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I FUCKING LOVE PHIL BRUCATO

>>51625802
>Seriously what kind of weeb calls people "sensei"?

Well when I did martial arts as a kid we had to call our trainer sensei.

>>51625812
>martial arts

Weeb in training

>>51625812
Was your teacher Asian?

>>51625801
How else will I learn what the Mage phenomenon is all about? Can one even explain the differences between Ascension and Awakening without going into mage-babble?

>>51625819
Eh it was fun and something to do aside from soccer to keep moving.

>>51625822
I dunno maybe half asian? kinda had the look about him.

Can a Vampire have a genuine friendship with a Mage?

>>51625823
Ascension is a big, chaotic mess. Thematically and mechanically, but it has more outlandish shit in it. Pulp, in a word. You can have nearly any kind of adventure you want, but be prepared to trim down a lot of mechanical chaff or outright jury-rig your own system.

Awakening is neater and more focused, with better mechanics and more defined themes and lore. But you won't be doing anything like fighting mad scientist terminator robots with your magic kung fu (unless it's in the Astral Realms or something). Whether or not that's a pro or a con varies from individual to individual.

>>51625889
I would imagine so. I mean, I personally wouldn't be all that comfortable around something with a supernatural urge to slice open my jugular and use it as a water fountain, but that's just me.

>>51625918

I'm pretty sure the Vampire would be even more terrified of the Mage. Especially if that Mage was Obrimos, or Moros.

>>51625893
What's the oWoD metaplot with the Abyss and Mages?

>>51625918
Why would a Mage be afraid of a Vampire?

I think I spotted the Vampfag.

>>51625889
I don't see why not. Thing is if they are both invested in their respective society they won't have a lot of time to interact with each other.

>>51625958
So they both have metaknowledge and know exactly what each other can do?

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>>51625823
You can't say you've learnt about Mage until you've checked out Ars Magica
just ignore the art

>>51625978
They could have tea (and blood) every month to catch up.

>>51625997
Can you tell us some more then?

>>51625986
The Mage would. You know what Mage Sight does, right?

>>51624856
I don't even need to read through the thread to know that magefags are baiting vampfags.

>>2017
>>mage vs vampire still happening.

>>51625963
Ok, short version is magic works by Consensual Reality (the philosophy that we shape reality with out thoughts). The main antagonists (Technocracy) laid down some kind of blanket Consensus that excised Mages from the reality of the world. So basically whenever a Mage does magic by imposing his own personal reality on the world, he has to make it plausible and easily rationalized or else he risks Paradox by going against the Consensus. There is no Abyss in Ascension. As far as I know, Paradox is just the Consensus pushing back against Vulgar magic.

I know you didn't ask about Paradox but I figure if I just said "no abyss lol" that would have been your next question.

>>51626007
I actually have carthian player and praetorian obrimos friendly with each other in my game. They bonded over love of punching things in the face.

Thou I houseruled that vamps can ingest alcohol and other drinks if they mix them up with blood(insted of using blush of life)

>>51625510
It doesn't do anything for them in V:tM, but drinking blood from someone who is under the influence of pot does get them high. A vampire called a <insert drug here>head is a vampire that makes a habit of drugging a mortal and then feeding off them.

Better question
Could a mage and a werewolf be bros? Having a mage friend would be pretty useful for fucking up the Wyrm and werewolves seem pretty fun to party with considering all the drugs and orgies they have

>>51626029
>There is no Abyss in Ascension.
Were Mages the ones responsible for opening the Abyss and letting the Demons out?

>>51626024
No, I don't. What does it do?

>>51626061
Technocrats had a hand in it yes, but there was some other shit going on. Asians being dicks and trying to take over the underworld etc.

>>51626047

Thyrsus Mages can be amazing allies, but they can also make for the worst possible enemies.

>>51626047
oWoD Werewolves hate Mages

>>51625893
What then is the difference between Ascension 1e and 2e?

>>51626153
One was released in '93, the other in '95.

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>>51626114
The enemy of my enemy is also my enemy

I bet 2 decades from now people will laugh about all the progression stuff in CofD like how we make fun of oWoD for it's fight the man hippie trench coat Katanas.

>>51626253
I'm not really bothered by the sidebars and stuff like that but than again I play only VtR and Demon

>>51626253

Well yeah thats what happens with all media that includes stuff like that. I can't read the hippie arc of the Hellblaze comics without laughing my ass off but I'm sure when it was published it didnt garner that reaction.

>>51625650
I think that was mentioned in the Ashen Knight but I have no clue where I left my copy.

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Shades check
Fedora check
Trenchcoat check
Katana check
Desert Eagles check
Motorcycle check

>>51626357
Thats a fucking rapier you son of a bitch.

>>51626422

Rapier is the western katana.

>>51626428

More like the katana is the eastern rapier

>>51626428
Stop triggering me

>>51626443
European pride worldwide, weebfags BTFO.

So how gay is the Chronicles of Fagness?

>>51626543
Loads of dicks and HIV everywhere. But to be completely honest that 20 page gay sex scene where the vampire took the knot was a bit unnecessary.

>>51625893
Philosophically too, at one point the books come right out and say that mages are so perfectly fine with sleepers being eaten by dragons so long as they get to use magick that they let it happen on Horizon.

>>51625198
They've worked fine for my hunter game, so far.
>Popular belief
>that crossovers work
are you just using that phrase because it sounds nice? Popular belief amongst the posters is that they don't work great.

>>51626556
It was entirely necessary.

>>51625233
Yes.

Is it *easy* for them to be nice people? No, no it isn't. Even young kindred have a harder time than regular humans when it comes to being genuinely nice and helpful, on account of how even the nicest kindred is still at their core a blood-sucking parasite, and there's no getting around that fact.

As the years go by, the wear and tear of the ages slowly grind away at the vampire's morality: it can be hard to maintain a positive and generous outlook on life/unlife, especially when you're forced to watch your loved ones wither and die to the sands of times, with the only other option being to enslave them forever to your will through the blood bond.

So no, it's not impossible for vampires to be genuinely kind-hearted: it's just really, really hard, and it never gets easier.

A nice elder vampire in the modern era is so rare it'd be like finding the resting place of an antedeluvian or some shit. And even, that elder won't be trusted by any other vampires (or anyone in general), because everyone will be thinking that an elder who's acting *that* nice must be planning something truly evil and malicious behind that facade of kindness.

In VtM, that is genuinely how the Tremere managed to convince the other clans that the Salubri were evil, soul-sucking demons at heart: in a world full of bastards and cold-hearted killers, the ones who are too nice are easy to suspect of even more insidious schemes.

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>>51624856
Chris McGrath. Fuck yeah.

are the Mage path books any good?

>>51627743
Yes.

Okay, so i just had my first Vampire game. We stole a McGuffin and then spent a literal hour bickering over whose boss we would give it to. It only ended because the DM had to go to bed, we're planning to go back to bickering next week.
Are vampire games supposed to be this much like Paranoia?

>>51625233
There's one in my current group. I accidentally traumatized them, hooray!

>>51627796
Yeah, pretty much. Vampire runs on party conflict. It's not a good game unless everyone is planning an epic backstab of everyone else for power.

>>51627631
I play VtR so I would add to that the problem elders face is that humans no longer look like food. Instead other vampires do. So it is really hard to have a solid grip of morality after you grow so old and hungry.

I have few nice elders in my games but they are still kind of eccentric and prone to violently snapping at people who catch their ire

>>51626357
Knife check.
Location check.
Motive check
Vengeance check
MURMAIDER MURMAIDER MURMAIDER MURMAIDER

>>51625440
I would pay actual money to see that they oull this shit off

>>51627631
>the nicest kindred is still at their core a blood-sucking parasite
Why should this make a difference again? Everyone's gotta eat.

>>51627963
It creates a weird meta game of Why am I still working with these assholes? Where you start making excuses to continue the game. it's kind of funny really

>>51628376
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zAFA-hamZ0

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>>51628376
>Why should this make a difference again? Everyone's gotta eat.

Yes, but regular humans don't have to eat *sapient* beings with feelings and emotions, and they usually don't have to do it to *live* beings that can scream, beg and plead for mercy or say "please no".

There's also the fact that they almost always have to resort to trickery, force or mind-raping via disciplines or bloodbonds in order to keep a steady supply of food for themselves. Even blood dolls are victims, addicted to the vampire's pleasure-inducing kiss.

And let's not forget, if they *don't* do these things, they won't just die like regular people; no, instead an immaterial, primal force will yank control away from the vampire, forcing them to feed (and most likely kill) one or more innocents, just because they went hungry. And then the vampire has to deal with that fact, for the rest of their unlife, and canon states that every exsanguination is almost always rape of a level beyond human capacity and comprehension.

Being a vampire has plenty of upsides when it comes to *power*, but in terms of moral issues? It's hell.

>>51628434
Presumably because the Prince told you to keep working with those assholes. (At least, that's the excuse I always went for in the Paranoia games I ran, although friend computer was subbing for the prince obviously)

>>51628451
I would say VtR and VtM vamps have it better than many other vamps in fiction who often have to kill to feed. On the other hand they are still harming people.

On the third hand Cofd and Wod is filled with douchebags so you could say you are doing a good thing

On fourth hand you are as likely to run into another supernatural

On the fifth hand just as a sidenote I have a vampire owned company that provides large quantities of livestock to vampires up to certain age in my games.

>>51628513
Vampires don't have to eat people, they can eat animals, You can get 1bp from rats, pigeons, etc, and 5bp from cows, horses, and other such things. A vampire who owns a large enough ranch would never go hungry.

How do vampire clans maintain a monopoly of certain Disciplines when diablerie exists? You could jump one of their neonates in an alley and get some (not much, but still) of their clan Discipline.

>>51628538
in VtR that is only up to certain point(thou if you didn't rise blood potency it would be 100 years int being vampire so yeah)

/wodg/, I require your council

I've played a quite a couple times, mostly M:tAw. Since then I've moved to a new place, where I have had no neckbeards to be a fa/tg/uy with. Until now.

I have a group of interested folks. None of them have ever once played TRPGs, although they have an idea of what these are. They want me to be an ST for their first game. I've pitched most options from WoD and CofD, and they seem to love HtV most.

I've never STeed in my life. And played Hunter only once. How do I proceed? I think that a shorter chronicle or even a one-shot would be not as pressurizing and more satisfactory of them - am I right? Should I use a pre-written one (and, if yes, which one would suit new guys best)? Should I simplify the rules for them somehow?

>>51628544
1) Because not everyone is a sociopath, and diablerie is an especially heinous crime even among vampires.
2) There is no "monopoly" on disciplines. Plenty of people learn out of clan disciplines from colleagues and allies. This is very common in the Sabbat, for instance, where everyone shares blood.
3) Even if you have acquired an out-of-clan discipline, nothing says your childe will inherit it as well.

Character concept: a independent Tizm..tizme... fleshcrafter who owns a ranch filled with horrible monster cows. His mission in unlife is to breed/craft monster cows that contain more blood, and he is willing to go to horrific lengths to do this.
>>51628609
I was thinking VtM, sorry if I intruded on a VtR discussion.

>>51628513
>Yes, but regular humans don't have to eat *sapient* beings with feelings and emotions, and they usually don't have to do it to *live* beings that can scream, beg and plead for mercy or say "please no".
>There's also the fact that they almost always have to resort to trickery, force or mind-raping via disciplines or bloodbonds in order to keep a steady supply of food for themselves. Even blood dolls are victims, addicted to the vampire's pleasure-inducing kiss.
You can literally just sneak up on someone in an alley, drink some of their blood without hurting them (besides the loss of blood, of course), and be on your way with the only detriment to your victim being a dizzy spell. With or without the use of Dominate to ensure the incident never occupies their thoughts after the fact.
>And let's not forget, if they *don't* do these things, they won't just die like regular people; no, instead an immaterial, primal force will yank control away from the vampire, forcing them to feed (and most likely kill) one or more innocents, just because they went hungry.
Starvation kills, yeah. That's why people have to eat.
>rape metaphor meme
lol

Vamps are big babies.

>>51628544
They basically don't.
>>51628641
There is a monopoly on some of the magical disciplines (necromancy, blood magic, koldunic sorcery, etc), but that's because magical disciplines aren't really proper disciplines, they're just modeled as such for simplicity's sake.

Beast is good.

>>51628538
>Vampires don't have to eat people, they can eat animals, You can get 1bp from rats, pigeons, etc, and 5bp from cows, horses, and other such things. A vampire who owns a large enough ranch would never go hungry.

Yes, until the Beast starts wanting *more* than crappy animal blood.

While it's not a usually a mechanical effect because VtM is geared towards city-dwelling vampires without access to constant animal blood, it's in the lore (at least for V20) that most vampires can't survive indefinitely on animal blood without drawbacks.

There's even an advanced discipline that is meant to allow elder vampires to survive better on animal blood, but again, not indefinitely.

>Animalism 6
>"Animal Succulence"

>Vampires usually find an animal’s blood lacking in sustenance. It tastes repulsive, and it barely nourishes undead veins. Some elder practitioners of Animalism, however, have developed sufficient affinity for the blood of beasts that they can efficiently sustain themselves from the wild. This doesn’t allow an elder to exist solely on animal blood, but allows her to go longer without human vitae.

>System:
>No roll is needed; once learned, this power is always in effect. Each blood point taken from an animal effectively becomes two. This does not replace the Cainite need for human or vampire blood. Every three times (rounded down) the vampire feasts on animals, the difficulty to all Self-Control/Instinct rolls increases by one until she feeds from a human or vampire. This effect is cumulative; for example, if she feeds from an animal seven times, her difficulty on Self-Control/Instinct rolls increases by two.

>>51628655
Nah I think this is overall vamp discussion. Just wanted to add that point. Can vamps in VtM eat animals indefinitely?

>>51628700
Yeah, altho it's much less efficient than humans, cuz even big animals like cows or horses only count as half a human.

>>51628723
This reminds me I had NPC vamp in werewolf game that served as sort of fixer, driver, supplier and occasional firing support and so on in exchange for their blood with he in turn sold to elders

>>51628670
>There is a monopoly on some of the magical disciplines (necromancy, blood magic, koldunic sorcery, etc), but that's because magical disciplines aren't really proper disciplines, they're just modeled as such for simplicity's sake.

Blood magic, at least in VtM, is not really a being held in a monopoly, especially not in Cammy cities.

Anarch gangs, even ones in Camarilla territory, often either have a blood magician in the gang itself, or know of a blood magician nearby, either an independent one or one belonging to a another gang.

As for the Tremere, they allow for blood mages outside of their clan because A: there's no Camarilla rules that says thaumaturgy can't be possessed by non-Tremere so the Tremere can't do jack shit directly to stop it, B: because it's only bad PR for the Clan and and hurts the Camarilla (and thus the Clan) when the Tremere start bitching about others having blood magic, and C, they use the "novice" blood mages as patsies when something goes wrong and a ritual ends up blowing a coterie apart, styling themselves as the "professionals" and the others as dangerous knock-offs... and of course, many of the "failed" rituals are actually being sabotaged by the resident Tremere, so it only helps to make the Tremere seem even more skilled and powerful than their counterparts.

Of course, they still hunt down defectors who try to leave the pyramid: bad PR won't stop them from slaughtering any traitors that try to join an Anarch gang or Sabbat pack.

>>51628700
>Can vamps in VtM eat animals indefinitely?

No, not indefnitely. They can survive for long periods of time without it, but going without human (or vampire) blood eventually destroys the vampires mind and/or self-control, making them unable to control themselves when given a chance to actually drink human/vampire blood.

See >>51628697

>>51628515
The prince is a convenient social motivator. it's an adhoc example of social pressure to conform to society. I've fallen back on some things: greed, honor, knowledge and safety. But then again I like playing against type and trying to weave it back into the group. It's a weird example of buying into the story. because if there is no buy in, why play?

>>51628669
>>rape metaphor meme
>lol
Drac"I want to suck bait"

https://www.vg247.com/2017/02/08/is-it-ok-to-punch-a-nazi-werewolf/

>It turns out the game is only weeks in development. Work started on the same day it was announced.

How common is that in video game development? Anyone know?

>>51629093
That's very uncommon. Normally you don't announce a game until it's at least 3/4 done so that way you can have everyone all hyped for it by the time it comes out.

>>51625889
With sufficient time an enemy becomes a friend of sorts.

>>51625801
>>51625807
>>51625778
>>51625514

Just to point out, this is Brucato right now:
https://www.patreon.com/philbrucato

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what's the dice penalty for indefinite spells?

>>51628376
>Everyone's gotta eat.

enough with the chit-chat let's get some blud goin
oh boy time to diablsize salot
no tremore do not dablerize sally he iss our andidiluvian
you"re goin into my body ya stupid edler

>>51629494
>no ms paint stick figure comic
it's shit

>>51628669
>You can literally just sneak up on someone in an alley, drink some of their blood without hurting them (besides the loss of blood, of course), and be on your way with the only detriment to your victim being a dizzy spell
Yes, that's what generally happen about 360 nights a year. After the initial shock you fall into this sort of innocuous routine where you just slake your thirst and go about your nightly business. No drama, no tears, no angst or mental disorders for anyone involved.

And then, the others nights, something goes horribly wrong.

>>51629581
*happens
*other
I should stop posting instead of sleeping.

>>51625327
On most vamp games, the Masquerade is held up enough that the vamps know jack about them and quite often vice versa. The higher ups might know about each other but it describes any kind of negative interaction as "young mages go investigate. They meet Kindred. Kill kindred." Followed by "Kindred elder gets pissed. Prince gets upset. Sheriff goes and finds a mage and massacres it very publicly." Followed closely by "Both sides continue to eye each other up but not say anything because we don't want this to get worse because rumored powers are more fearsome than the real thing in most cases"

>>51625327
It's highly doubtful they know that much about them, but those that do know they exist would probably be at least somewhat scared after hearing stories of that one elder who got turned into a lawn chair.

Mage turns Vampire to Lawnchair
Vampire turns Mage to a living Lawnchair

>>51629671
>It's highly doubtful they know that much about them, but those that do know they exist would probably be at least somewhat scared after hearing stories of that one elder who got turned into a lawn chair.

Why would they hear stories about it?

Either the Elder got turned into a lawnchair and immediately contested the roll with *any* shapechanging power (Vicissitude, Skin of the Adder, Protean, etc.) and lost, in which case nobody would believe the stories told about that elder who got turned into a lawnchair because it's too bizarre.

OR! Or, the Elder would win the roll to change back, in which case the mage dies pretty much instantly to said Elder, in which case the Elder brags to all the other vamps about how the mages are weak, conveniently not telling anyone about the fact that he was temporarily turned into a chair.

And the strongest mages, the ones who could *really* fuck over the strongest vampires even if the vampire won the roll (the ones that can bend all of existence and time and space, blablabla, and all that usual magewank faggotry)? Well, they lliterally couldn't give less of a shit if some rookie mage decided to spend their amazing powers making fucking furniture, because they've got more important things to focus on.

>>51625514
You know that's not unique to 1e Mage, right? All of the early WoD shit is like that - VtM is even worse.

Ascension changed a great deal over the course of its existence, and Awakening is an entirely different beast altogether in terms of themes and general aesthetics.

Don't be a cunt.

>>51629494
>>51629505

where are the apis?
we ate dose fera
where are the grondr?
we ate dose fera
where are the camazotz?
we ate dose fera
where are the bunyip?
*BELCH*

>>51629743
They'd hear stories about it because it's an urban legend. It doesn't need to actually happen. (If there were stories about things that actually happened there'd be a lot more horror stories about Iteration X cyborgs shooting up chantries or whatever.)

>>51628627
shameless bump

anons help me pls, I'm going through the SASs now, and neither really feels like it could work

>>51629170

Huh, and the only actual preview was just Martin Ericsson talking about the World of Darkness next to a poster, for a game that probably doesn't have a single line of code yet. I see.

This revival isn't going to go so well, is it.

>>51629843

Just do what we always do:

Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

>>51629843
It could be their marketing is just run by a bunch of incompetents. They're the ones who determine when info is released to the public, but don't actually have any effect on how good the game is.

>>51629348
-10 dice, an additional reach, and a point of mana.

>>51628627
First of all, cool that you found a group, and great that you want to take up DM-ing.
Shorter chronicle or one-shot is a good idea, you don't want to overburden them with new rules, a new thing (roleplaying) AND a complex, involved plot.
You can use the pre-written ones, the SAS are not bad, although I'm sure you can improvise something decent for Hunter in no time at all. Depends how confident you feel.
Simplifying the rules does not seem all that neccessary to me, since nWoD/CofD rules are quite simple already.

>>51629843
"FULL ASS RAPE STIFFNESS"

Also they said they're making a new edition of WoD: Gypsies

VtM question: who keeps blood contracts after they are signed? Do the Tremere have a special vault for them somewhere?

>>51629768
The only apes are a fucking pentex bastard-breed, what are you talking about.

>>51630048
Fuck off no way, don't make that lie, it can't be... IT CAN'T BE!

>>51630048
>Also they said they're making a new edition of WoD: Gypsies
Really? Link. I didn't know I had missed any of their press releases.

>>51628513

>beings with feelings and emotions

You mean like the cattle we eat every day?

I think the worst part of the food industry and industrialization is how pussified its made everyone about what they eat. Imagine having to tend and raise that meal of yours for years before its put on your plate, or the plate of someone more important than you. And you think some human dregs are somehow more important? They don't do anything for anyone and the human body isn't even good as serviceable food for actual cannibals. That vampires can thrive off of us when we're complete shit nutritionally for everyone else, AS WELL AS animals, is a big plus for them desu.

>>51631273
here's your (you)

>>51631497

I'm not shitposting tho

>>51631537
>eating people doesn't make you a monster
You're shitposting

>>51631568

Eating worthless hobos and homeless people doesn't make you as much of a monster*

But to ascribe to them, as much societal value as someone producing for society, even the most basic and banal of entertainment, is a grave mistake.

>>51631273
>I think the worst part of the food industry and industrialization is how pussified its made everyone about what they eat. Imagine having to tend and raise that meal of yours for years before its put on your plate, or the plate of someone more important than you.

Fuck off back to your little edgehole anon, I've worked at a small farm owned by my grandparents for much of my early life, and among other things I once had to kill a pet chicken I personally helped raise from a tiny fucking egg in order to "understand how life and death all worked".

So yeah, I know a thing or two about animals and just how much feelings and emotions a "simple" animal can have.

That said, it does not change the fact that animals aren't sapient. I love animals, and they obviously have feelings and emotions as well, but they're simply not capable of intelligent thought and empathy on the same scale as humans.

>>51631273
>And you think some human dregs are somehow more important?

Yes.

Because animals are just born, live and die, never leaving a mark on the world behind them.

Humans *sometimes* go beyond simple "eat, shit, sleep, die" and reach for the stars, and for all the shit we do, human life is still worth saving, because you never know who's going to be the next one to us species forward into the next great era.

>>51631607
>people only have value insofar as they help society
Well if you're not shitposting, the other option is you are a monster yourself. I presume once you've finished convincing us that some people are worth less than others you'll start advocating eugenics?

>>51631568

>draining them dry to the point of death

You must be some retarded Caitiff or an edgy Sabbat if you're fucking up that bad, neonate.

>>51631217
>>51631235
http://keepontheheathlands.com/2016/09/30/the-future-of-darkness-an-interview-with-white-wolf-publishing/

>What, if any, less explored books, supplements, or ideas from the original game lines are you planning to bring back or explore deeper in the One World of Darkness?

>Martin: There are many early books that deserve to be updated to contemporary times and get hooked into the development of the metaplot, a lot of great but underused ideas that popped up in fiction anthologies have also caught my eye. To name some personal impulses: ”Shoah: Charnel Houses of Europe” and ”Gypsies” (Should be called something like “Opre Roma!”) could use new editions in our age, as the horrors of the fear of the Other is again on the rise in Europe. I read a lot about the Ashirra and Middle Eastern WoD for obvious reasons. I think a lot of greatness is found in books like ”Love Beyond Death” and ”Ghouls – Fatal Addiction” and you’ll probably see us inspired by stories where the supernatural meets the mortal world a lot more. Also, Dark Ages of all kinds! Holy shit, there’s a lot of treasures there. I also love the first and second edition of Mummy…

>>51631625

They further the ecosystems that we live in and take advantage of. I'd say that's more important than a hobo who doesn't do anything at all except cause more human misery.

Cattle, for example, is more valuable than a hobo. The hobo isn't even of any nutritional value so turning them into food is not much of a net gain, versus the beef you would get from a steer or cow whose reached her limit.

>>51631636
Even if you don't kill the person, cannibalism is still considered monstrous, esp. given that you don't even have the "it was that or starve" excuse.
>>51631640
Twelve bucks says they don't talk with a single roma before making it.

>>51631635

Nah, if anything i'd be advocatingv hybrid vigour muh nigguh. Everyone keep fucking until we're all the same color and breed out any of those pesky genetic disorders and cancers.

>>51631655
So what you're saying is that because monsters like you reduced someone to poverty, that person is now at fault for being miserable, and is thus worthless?

>>51631667

You know what would be interesting? Vampires who have industrialized their cultivation of blood to the point that they never have to hunt anymore and have the same problem we do with how animals are processed into food.

>>51631686

Anon, we're all complicit in that. Its a self-fulfilling prophecy from a system designed to ensure that this happens to *someone*.

Welcome to humanity.

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I'm gonna become Dracula's friend so I can make a self insert super overpowered NPC in oneWoD

>>51631708
>everyone is to blame, and thus no-one is to blame
Counterpoint: anyone who isn't working to fix the system is to blame. I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but capitalism (as well as basically everything else in society) did not just pop into existence like Venus from the sea, or Minerva from Jupiter's brow. The current system was created by people, and can be replaced by people.

>>51631691
That's already a movie, day breaker or something

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Marvel is old World of Darkness.

>>51631814
Wasn't that movie a commentary of Americans and oil?

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>Haunts people's dreams.
>Monstrous appearance
>Mind Fucks bitches.
>Uses terror to be well known
So is picrelated the ideal beast?

>>51631640
some parts of that interview, however, sound promising, like looking for creators in Asia, Russia and Africa instead of following the google search method of old WW

>>51631845
>hurr hate crimes durrr

>>51631845
Marvel has turned into cancer long ago

>>51631845

>Mark Waid is so, so sorry that he's a Gen Xer and wants you to know that: The Comic
>oWoD

Nah, oWoD was pretty down for being part of Gen X.

>>51631879
he'd be one of those that are stuck in dream form

>>51631879

To the point where one of the new Hunter organizations fighting Beasts is literally the Dream Warriors, yes.

>>51631900
>>51631925
>reee, why isn't this thing I was too stupid to see the politics in when I was a child apolitical now that I've grown up

>>51631973

Eh, those takes are pretty bad, but Champions is still not a great comic. It's well intentioned but far too stilted.

>>51631845
>>51632001

Man, I really wanted to like Champions. I like basically every member (bar teenage Cyclops) in their own comics. Kamala's is great, Nova's is great, Viv's is fantastic.

But then every antagonist in Champions ended up being an exaggeratedly bigoted normie. Like, IIRC the only bad guys they've faced that even had superpowers were some random Atlanteans for three pages. Every member has Avengers-tier power levels, yet they spend their time tweeting about themselves and being #woke.

Fucking hell, at least pretend you're writing a comic book, Mark, and not a manifesto.

>>51632172

It's not even like teen superheroes fighting crime and getting political while doing it is anywhere near a bad thing, good comic books get political all the time, it's just the way it's presented that just rings completely false.

Honestly though, the greater sin is that Waid doesn't know how to write half the cast, isn't interested in doing so, and can't really write a teen book either. Champions would have been a perfect choice for one of the YA writers that Marvel wants to hire so bad (and then not support and not teach how to write comics and leave them in the cold when their series fail because of the stupid fucking way comics are sold) but no let's give it to the guy who didn't learn anything from Strange Fruit.

Anyways, though, it's still not very oWoD, cause oWoD wad very much into "no fuck you our generation rocks and we're gonna TAKE DOWN THE MAN".

>>51632314
>Anyways, though, it's still not very oWoD, cause oWoD wad very much into "no fuck you our generation rocks and we're gonna TAKE DOWN THE MAN".
Isn't that the exact sentiment of the rebellious youth. which is what the comic is trying to present? In the sense of taking down the man. Taking down the corrupt authority is what the characters are doing.

not to mention the high action and shallow conspiracy. couple that with empowerment fantasy and you have owod circuit 2ed and revised

>>51632314
Yeah, the whole 'It's the PUNK in Gothic-Punk.'

It always vaguely annoyed me that they constantly tried to glom their shitty subculture onto my shitty subculture.

>>51631640
>>51631667
>>51631235
>>51630048
But why re-do the Gypsies?
Anyone who likes the racist stereotypes don't want info on Roma or a politically correct treatment.
Anyone who wants it to be more politically correct is indirectly calling for all the fluff and the blood purity rules to be thrown out.

I don't understand the logic. It's like publishing a "revised" version of Uncle Tom's Cabin. Who's the target audience for this?

>>51631640
>we should revive a game that is about mystic gypsies to comment on the rising fear of the other

Man, that seems like a really ill thought out way to do that.

>>51632564
>Man, that seems like a really ill thought out way to do that.
OPP/WW in a nutshell.

>>51632396

"Our generation rocks", to me, is the key phrase. oWoD is contemporaries showing (relatively) youthful optimism. Champions is a man who feels bad that his generation fucked up trying to promote the same thing about the next generation without really getting the generation he's writing about. Why it's a bad teen hero comic book is why the oWoD comparison doesn't quite work, st least that's how I see it.

>>51632540

>Who is the target audience for this?

Martin Ericcson, and as long as it doesn't bleed Paradox dry he can appeal to himself as much as he likes.

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>>51631845
jesus fuck what's happening to ms muslim's face

>>51631845

>the gay club where a hundred gay people were shot by conservative fanatics
>oh wait

>>51632664
I think we can atleast agree that comics and owod have several similar themes.
>taking down authority
>scrappy underdogs
>youth power culture
>mythical verses structure and science

I mean the main protags of werewolf are teenagers after their first change. Vampire has the young vamps fighting elders from the dark ages and before. Mages is a reversal, but only in so much as now the kids are fighting with the mythics against the same authority figure.
and throw in all the angst and boom you're done

from their the comparisons become more and more valid. please don't bull an Apsel and not conceding the point

Where can I find CofD games online?

>>51631667
>Twelve bucks says they don't talk with a single roma before making it.
It's okay, Aspel probably knows better than them about their everyday struggles anyway.

>>51632828
The gamefinder.

Roll20, but that's not advised.

>>51631640
I don't get it, I thought Jews have already lost their social victim status? I'd get it if they made it about the infamous transgender holocaust of 2015 or the Muslim holocaust happening in Sweden right now (Allah rest their poor souls), but why the Shoah?

Haven't been here in forever, but thought I'd brag.

Last V20 game we had an almost 6h session that was nothing but one tense talk with a Ventrue primogen.

The players had a blood hunt called on them by the Tremere primogen accusing them of killing the Brujah primogen and they spent all session carefully choosing what to tell the Ventrue to have her on their side and be willing to vouch for them. It went pretty well.

>>51632787

Oh yeah, I'd absolutely agree with that when you put it that way, I was just focusing on Champions specifically because that was the example. No worries, no pulling an Aspel here, just because they're gone doesn't mean their ghost should haunt this thread.

>>51632929

Nice, that sounds like a super cool session!

>>51632919
Wasn't Shoah acutally well regarded as a good, respectful book that did horror well? LIke I've never heard a bad thing about that book.

>>51632919
There's rising antisemitic violence in Europe, as well as America, lad.

>>51632973
The 'progressive left' has some anti-semetic leanings do to how they shelter people of the muslim faith... Because you know, most people in the middle east don't fucking like Israel or dah joos

>>51633029
we all know about /pol/ anon, trying to play dumb isn't going to win you any friends

>>51632930
coolcool mate we're good :)
I didn't like A not because of his whatever views. but because he'd never argue in good faith, which might have been a reaction to the board. but after a few cycles you start to realize he's a putz

>>51633055
Pardon?

>>51632960

I'm not terribly fond of it. The book gets a little too up its own ass at points and I'm of the opinion that a genocide within living memory shouldn't really be mined for goofy roleplaying game material.

But I've also talked to Rich Dansky about it personally and see where he was coming from, and Wraith is still my favorite oWoD game.

What do people think about Changeling 2e so far? It was my favorite gameline so I'm excited.

>>51633111

I think it's a pretty massive improvement. This thread seems to think it's the most heinous trainwreck in RPG history because they don't like the developer.

The main differences are that Kith and Seeming are no longer tied together (you can be a Beast Hunterheart or a Fairest Hunterheart or anything else, etc), and that while Kith is what your Durance molded you into, Seeming is the result of the circumstances and emotions behind your escape. Changeling 2e has kind of hyper-focused on its abuse survivor narrative that was in 1e which I'm very fond of but others are upset about.

Also Contracts have some cleaner mechanics and the Seasonal Courts are no longer with default, with the assumption that groups will either build their own or use one of several example freeholds.

>>51632960
Pretty much. I downloaded it expecting a laugh, starting reading it, and... Like, I dunno, man. Something about it touched me. No joo, but this is just a really well written book. It's actually emotionally stirring, which is not something that I find many RPG supplements to be. I don't know how useful it's to actually game with but it's a delightful read if you're the kind of person who enjoys being sad. Just thinking about the Dark Kingdom of Wires gives me shivers, and not the kind you normally think of getting from horror books.

>>51633169
What else was there to focus on, besides the threat of the Fae taking you back?

>>51633192

According to these threads, Changeling was a game about having fun faerie adventures in the modern day and nobody ever focused on the core of the game or anything like Clarity or anything else.

Yes, I'm bitter about the many, many derails this place has had over 2e focusing on what was basically the heart of 1e.

>>51633223
Isn't that why people hated oWoD changeling?

I liked it but I just love the whole concept of the Fae.

>>51632919
Haven't you heard? Antisemitism is cool again, you just need to phrase it as hating Israel's treatment of poor Palestinians.

>>51633169
I'm fine with the abuse survivor narritive the game has, hell it's part of why I loved about 1e, but I don't care for the elements of 'you go girl' that's been added.

Personally I also don't like how seemings are handled, so I might keep to the 1e approach.

>>51633111

It doesn't seem like I'll be able to click with it any more than I could the first one.

I don't know what it is about it, but even though I've tried to run it multiple times, I just can't really seem to get Changeling right. Even with the new antagonists, city personalized Courts and power overhaul, I just can't seem to wrap my head around it.

But it's probably going to be fine even if its release will burn down here, SA, and OPP no matter what happens.

>>51633223
I've not been part of those discussion but i'm cool with the abuse-survivor stuff if I get to also do urban fantasy stuff. I'm not sure why they should be thought of as mutually exclusive.

>>51633246
People hated oChangeling because it was Otherkin: the Mental Illnessing where psychologists were evil Banal people trying to crush your childhood spirit.

>>51633246

People are silly and come to WoD and CofD as urban fantasy for whatever reason, focusing more on cool superpowers than the personal horror stuff that IMHO is the best part of them all. While I can see the appeal in that, there's other games for it, and the heavy metaphors that some of the gamelines have (nChangeling, Promethean, Wraith) are what makes them so near and dear to me.

>>51633259
>but I don't care for the elements of 'you go girl' that's been added.

What the hell does that mean?

>>51633259
>elements of 'you go girl'
What do you mean? I'm not trying to provoke another tired argument, I just haven't seen much material.

>>51633294
I play these games to have fun. "Personal horror" is fine as long as it lets me be a vampire who does vampire things and petty politics.

>>51633251
>conflating disliking a nation with disliking a people
Next you're going to say that hating Nazis means I hate germans, right?

>>51633368
Of course not. You should hate Germans on their own merits!

>>51633414

I prefer to hate the English and Australians.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiXO4TyvcQ4

Some WoD/CoD fuel for you boys and atma, his whole channel is a gold mine for that weird shit.

>>51633246
People hated old Changeling because it was Michael the Jacksoning. People will hate Lost 2 because it's parring itself down to about a sensitive topic while being headed by an emotionally stunted weebcommie.

>>51633559
You can hate many people. Such is the gift of hate!

>>51633111
I don't like huntmen
I think True Fae were already great mayor antagonists and huntmen seem like a distraction and source of pressure (not that changelings lacked that before) in long term histories.
the separation of seeming and Kith will make for more flexible character creation
I hope the make a revision of the pledge system, it was a fucking mess,

>>51633674
Making the True Fae a more visible and active threat erodes everything that makes them great. They should've emphasized loyalists and hedge creatures more and dropped the whole terminator huntsmen thing.

>>51633674
>>51633729

The Gentry work best when their the looming threat that hangs over a changelings existance, when you're actually running into your keeper an gotta fight him it means you've fucked the bath.

>>51633674

The Fae can't really leave Arcadia, they make very little sense as anything more than distant antagonists. Giving them agents in the form of Huntsmen that can provide a very real physical threat makes a lot of sense.

>>51633771
>The Fae can't really leave Arcadia
what the fuck

>>51631945

Wait... is there a "Dream Warriors" Hunter Group?

>>51633771
>>51633776
They can leave Arcadia, but they are demonstrably less powerful outside of it.

>>51633802
Yep

>>51633802
They're a conspiracy of a bunch of kids with a disablity of some kind and a special endowment to fight beasts/mages/chagelings in dreams.

>>51633802
In the new book, yes. They're called the Marrick Institute, they use Inception machines to enter dreams and their Endowment gives them dreamshaping powers. Haven't had the chance to try them, obviously, but knowing OPP *something* about them is terribly unbalanced.

>>51633802

In the new Beast/Hunter material, a Stranger Things-style government conspiracy that makes kids astral project to fight monsters that's gone rogue and been taken over by the kids.

>>51633828
Holy shit, it's like that Katawa Shoujo fanfic from ages back.

>>51633841
There's a Katawa Shoujo fic about that? I knew there is a superhero one, but this is news to me.

>>51633855
I've never read it but it wouldn't surprise me. There was one where they all turn out to be magicians, at least two involving vampires, the superhero one, the sentai one... And those are just the ones I know about, so they're probably relatively famous.

Admit it. Gypsies have been represented accurately so far.

>>51633924
The sad thing about this whole issue is that mechanically speaking Gypsies was actually kind of neat.

>>51633837
Get in the tank, Shinji!

>>51633924
>boyfriend is half-Romani
>the other half of the family is the one involved in organized crime

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>>51633936
You know, there's a disturbing lack of a Conspiracy whose Endowment revolves around prowling the streets and roads in neurally linked, one man, prototype mini-tanks. See how the vampires like those.

>>51625327

Dave has mentioned that a Gnosis 10 Master would utterly rock the floor with a BP 10 Elder. Mages become white-room monsters as they get more powerful.

>>51633952
Well no shit, very disorganized people the gypsies

>>51633294
>>51633295

It ties back into me not liking the seemings as much since they're now tied to what you did to escape which feels now more like a, "Aha! Fuck you gentry, I am the one who did the good job!" and some how beating a keeper in it's own realm.

I know this had precedence in 1e with people winning their escape and the like, but I dunno man, it just feels off in 2e?

I'm not saying that I'm 100% right and that 2e is gay and stupid and will fail, I'm just not a fan of how it's feeling at the moment. But I'm reserving final judgement, you know, until the fucking thing is out Soon(TM) .

>>51633974
Gnosis 9+ you can use 6 motherfucking Yantras

>>51633974

Though we might get some goofy fun stuff for elders in Thousand Years of Night.

>tfw not really looking for much past Thousand Years of Night and Dark Eras Companion

>>51633966
This idea's so retarded it comes out the other side and becomes brilliant. Fund it!

>>51633990

I mean... every single Changeling character has escaped. I'm not sure I really understand what your opposition to the idea is.

Seemings aren't awesome or empowering; Darklings are Darklings because they were cowards and traitors, Ogres have lost themselves to hurt and violence, Elementals have basically given up most of their individual identity.

>>51634013
They did, it's called Dominion Tank Police. Look it up.

>>51634020
>every single Changeling character has escaped
Absolutely not true, don't lecture people on how Changeling ought to be when you haven't autisticly committed the contents of the book to memory.

>>51634020
I'm talking about the more proactive aspect of 2e compared to the more chance based one of 1e.

>>51634020
>>51634038
He isn't wrong, some changelings are let go, which means they no longer get seemings in 2e, which makes it even harder to have one without being labeled a loyalist or privateer of some kind.

If someone has food in their stomach before being Embraced, do they vomit it up after?

>>51634038

do you also play vampires who haven't been Embraced or mages that haven't Awakened

fuck's sake

>>51634065
>embrace someone
>they immediately vomit all over you

not cool dude

>>51634074
>do you also play vampires who haven't been Embraced
Don't you talk shit about revenants you fucking plebian

>>51634074
Yes, I do.
They're called Proximi.

>>51634057
Well, not the autistic part, that's just 4chan shit.

>>51634074
Not a comparable situation, really, but you can play a vampire/mage game as a mortal/ghoul or you know, have a fucking prelude.

>>51634004

Dave has also mentioned that Thousand Years of Night isn't going to be the Imperial Mysteries equivalent for Requiem.

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>>51634081
>sleep and revert to how your body was upon being Embraced
>the state of your stomach gets reverted too, including food
>vomit every day for the rest of your unlife

>>51634122
He probably means because it's never coming out.

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>>51634123
What clan is she?

>>51633966
>Polish Armored Corps

>>51634111
>revenants
the zombie rejects? actually now I kind of want to run a revenant one off, where the players are newly reborn revenants that have to eat their creator to become a real boy

>>51634117
>mortal/ghoul
a mortal isn't a magic wielding wizard / a ghoul is dependent blood addicted slave. the revenant poster had it right

>>51634156
Nos disgust. but really food can't be remade in your system. Throwing up blood maybe? that'd be one bitch of a bane

>>51634181
It's still not a comparable situation ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>51634217
now you're being dense on purpose

awakening = embrace = dunce (or whatever changeling is)

These are the mortal threshold that denote and spiritually and physically changing the character from MORTAL into Supernatural. it's the adding of the template. Some would argue the actual kidnapping is the mortal threshold.

Also ghoul = sleepwalker = fea touched(enscrolled?)
those are half templates. being touched by the supernatural but still being mortal. so yes they're comparable

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>>51634302
>dunce

>>51634302
You can have a durance and not have 'escaped' from arcadia in the sense that 2e pots it as a grand escape through violence/revolution/turning into a tool. There are Changelings that are let go or forced out by their keeper.

didn't say anything about the ghoul/sleepwalker/fae touched/enscrolled being no-comparable.

>>51634378
>>51634117
>Not a comparable situation, really, but you can play a vampire/mage game as a mortal/ghoul or you know, have a fucking prelude.
Point is you're not a real boy supernatural until you pass the mortal threshold, which as a prelude assumes that happens if you want to play an actual full vampire or a mage

>>51634378
>You can have a durance and not have 'escaped' from arcadia in the sense that 2e pots it as a grand escape through violence/revolution/turning into a tool. There are Changelings that are let go or forced out by their keeper.
The method of escape or returning is inconsequential, to the idea of there and back again. if anything a case like being let go should be brought up in the 2ed for clarity sake ba-da-dish

>>51624909
I've always preferred the Bone Shadows, do they have a counterpart in oWoD?

>>51634554
Oh yeah, you're not wrong about any of that, I just took issue with the "every changeling has escaped" from Atma, but that really is a semantics issue on my part.

>>51634639

>>51634560

Uktena iirc, maybe Shadow Lords

>>51634560

Sort of. There more of a mix of the Silent Striders, and Ukenta werewolves of Owod. Which i always found neat ,because there my Favorite clans.