Treasure hoard & economy?

>>51622493
>How wouldn't it break economy when heroes kill the monsters and pour said pile of treasures on market one day?
Depends on the GM.

>>51622493

Pretty sure gold standard fuedal economics work a bit differently from modern ones.

More important question, what if the dragon hoarded hot bitches instead of gold. Get bitch, break bitch in, make bitch imortal. Rinse and repeat. Pcs slay the dragon and then find its massive harem of scantily clad beauties.

>>51622926
>Pretty sure gold standard fuedal economics work a bit differently from modern ones.
Feudal economics didn't work on the gold standard. There was no real standard, metal value variation was all over the place. The gold standard is an early modern invention.

>>51622493
Read up on Mansa Musa's Hajj for an idea of how you can absolutely fuck up an economy by dropping a ton of new coinage in it. Or about the inflation Spain got hit by after the treasure fleets started coming in.

>>51622984

But the treasure fleets funded Spains wars and growth into a proto state and a major power. Saying they fucked up their economy runs contrary to everything I've learned at Uni.

What's with all the posting of Fate/Grand Order stuff lately?

>>51623060
They also caused runaway inflation and ultimately led to a situation where, in the middle of the dutch war of independence, the spanish crown was spending almost as much paying its interests to dutch bankers as it was on the war itself.

Also Spain had already long been a state by the time it was united.

>>51623092

Fuedal principalities are not the same as states, and they didn't start functioning as a state until 1500s. Or maybe that history course is a waste of tuition. Could be either or, but im still probably gonna trust my professor more than you mate, no offense.

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Dragons are actually keeping the market from crashing by making gold a rare commodity and keeping it from being worthless. Why else do you think so many people end up using gold as the basic currency in fantasy settings?

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What if princesses are not kidnapped but only kept as a collateral and kings hire PCs to kill the Jew-Dragon banker / loan shark?

>>51623171

Oh I'm taking that, though it smacks of shadowrun just a bit.

There's actually a book on this subject called Orconomics.

>>51623198
It's some robot.

>>51622493
Medieval gold standard economies were MUCH slower. We are talking one second of our economy is a month or more back then. The day the PC's pop up with gold none of the merchants will change their prices. To them there is no change. From there the gold will filter along the craftsmen and then into the trade routes. At each step because they have more gold they are a little more giving with it paying a little bit more or buy more than needed but increase their prices as well to make up for the loss. Over the months as the gold filters it will either settle and the local economy adjusts or it gets absorbed into something like a barons tax hoard or a highway mans purse and the market goes back to what it was.

This is also assuming that the nation had a free market and the prices of stuff was not set in stone by law based on harvests and what the king did not want the peasants to have.

>>51623198
I was thinking more of the Knight Templars

>>51623171
Fucking fantasy france.

>>51623067
meme of the year because of total waifu pandering saturation

>>51622984
This nigga gets it desu

This is hardly a problem in fantasyland since
A) Your adventurers and everyone in the setting pay "fair" prices for the items they buy, not grossly overinflated prices despite the fact that they're swimming in cash. Inflation just doesn't exist.
B) There's a rather limited supply of high end goods that they can buy in one location and if they do they will probably just be depleted, it won't encourage people to make or import another dozen Earthsplitting Swords that no one else can or wants to buy, assuming they are even made and not just unique items that were found in another dragon's hoard. In the same way there are only so many castles and duchy titles up for auction in a kindgom and there is no proper market for them.
C) Really a dragon's hoard getting redistributed in the economy is not much different from some highborn wastrel inheriting his dynasty's savings, or the kingdom emptying its coffers (and borrowing several times its yearly income) in a war. All of these events happen often enough that people probably know the deal by now

>>51622493
Monsters that live long enough to accrue that much treasure are rare, and it's rarer still that they're found and defeated in battle by the roving natural disaster that is a party of adventurers.

>>51622493
>How wouldn't it break economy when heroes kill the monsters and pour said pile of treasures on market one day?

Because people over state just how much money adventurers have in relation to the price of things. A two story town house is 3000 gold, more if it is in a desirable place. The stock inn in stronghold builders guide is 8000 gold. The most value that I ever seen in a hoard come to 82000 gold. I mean we once looted a dead rich mans house that had more in it but it was in magic items which were devalued do to a 95% die off of people, so its market value was effectively way less.Which is a lot, but not all of that was sold off.

>>51622984
Going into the high medieval era there was a effective gold standard in the livre tournai. For international trade other currency was measured against the livre tournai in price guides. Large accounts in mainland Europe very commonly in livre tournai even in places were it was not the coin of the realm.

The reason why the English did not do so was because they had actively hostile relations with the guys making the livre tournai.

>>51624240
I thought their economy was more strongly tied to the wool trade anyway.

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>>51622493
I rule that if PCs get insanely rich from dungeoning and are nigger rich like Mansa Musa they'll crash the economy just like in real life.

>>51624301
The wool they made was most for export, to places that did use livre tournai stranded. That means it is not a good reason for them to not use it as a measure of value. Really it comes down to the kings of England and France being rivals.


The wool trade did cause the English sliver penny to be a second standard use for small scale transactions in northern Europe. It leads to merchants in those places having price guides lines & balance sheets in livre tournai, negotiations among each other in penny's, and living in a place uses a third currency. A head for exchange rates was a must.

Side note in the mid 12th century the English mints were ripping people off badly. A angry mod formed in London over it. The king of the wanted to know why it was happening and then joined it after finding out who was the target. He ordered 23 empolys of the mint to be death. The mod liked his thinking but the church did not. The king was told that he should not put the mint employs to death because it would not be a christian thing to do. That he should be merciful to wrong doers.

So he changed the order to merely be... blinding, castrated, hobbled, their ring hand cut off, and all of their worldly goods taken. English kings have never liked being told what to do by the church.