MtG: Modern General

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>>51610006
>What's your favorite counter in the format? And why?
Pic related
Because it's not blue
Because I don't care which option they chose, it always help me
>How do you play around/bluff counter magic?
Void Winnower in Tron
>Any blowouts because of them?
Tried to blaze my opponent but he kept increasing the cost with his counterspells
Bought Banefire since

>What's your favorite counter in the format? And why?
pic related is my favorite counter. Nobody ever expects it.

>How do you play around/bluff counter magic?
I play tron, so idgaf. ill just slam the fatty down next turn anyway
>Any blowouts because of them?
I play remand in my Gx deck, which people never expect, esp. Ad Nauseum players

>What are the best counters?
They're in the spoiler

>Playin'
Gx Tron. finally said fuck it and am running city of brass ay my non-tron lands. lets me not auto-lose to AN

>Hatin'
What do you think?

>Makin'
Legacy Leldrazi. I wanna play sol and 'shop lands

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>>51610146
forgot pic like a retard

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>>51610163
>>51610108
Non-blue counters best counters

Haven't seen WR/WBR Tokens top anything in forever, anyone have a semi-current list that doesn't poorly force a bunch of planeswalkers?

>>51610270
What does R provide in a token list that B doesn't do better?

>>51610284
A turn four Emrakul in 33% of games.

>>51610379
How?

>>51610379
Did you mean U ?

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here i go again

>>51610417
>>51610434
Indomitable Creativity

I have a working list but it's shit because I've never actually played modern tokens so I have no idea what exactly the deck attempts to do besides play tokens.

>>51610459
That's not a good way to cheat emmy into play.

>>51610459
>Indomitable Creativity to cheat Emrakul onto the battlefield
/edhg/ is over there

>>51610499
It literally wins the game if they ever tap out.

>>51610529
It does not. At all

>>51610546
It actually does.

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>>51610529
Lol wut?

>>51610570
I'm not sure what you're confused about.

>>51610579
Do you expect you opponent to never interact with you?

>>51610529
Polymorph do the exact same thing

Token is trying to disturb your opponent game plan beside playing token, using hand rapers and creatures killers

>>51610602
This is the modern general, afterall

>>51610551
K. Lets walk through this

>i cast Karn turn 3 and tap out
>you cast notpolymorph and get emrakul. No cast trigger
> i exile emrakul, and cast numrakul

OR

>i'm playing burn
>you die

OR

>same as first but i have lilli
>but i thoughtsiezed your entire decks plan on turn 1

OR

>i path your token in response

>>51610602
That's like saying Twin expected the opponent to never interact with them.

It's the same mana cost to go off, the same sorcery speed requires a creature interaction, simply doesn't require drawing an Exarch or Pestermite.

Being able to threaten an Emrakul at any point while dumping 2/2 Vigilance dudes doesn't seem like a horrible idea.

>>51610624
I feel like it's fairly evident the Inquisition/Thoughtseize/Sorin gameplan is simply not viable in the current meta, given the fact that WB tokens is utter trash right now.

>>51610626
>>51610602
Interaction is a meme by this point in Magic, modern or any other format.

If you run discard and/or countermagic in a combo deck, people will still go
>LOL DUDE, SOLITAIRE! MUH INTERACTION!

There's retards bashing burn for not being interactive.

At this point unless you're playing jund exclusively, you're not being interactive in a magic game, because everyone wants other people to follow their wishes.

>>51610681
Yeah Tron's probably the hardest matchup because of how many answers they have to either gameplan.


I've got mainboard Timely Reinforcements so I'm not seeing the Burn matchup being too tough, especially after sideboard.

>same as first but i have lilli
>but i thoughtsiezed your entire decks plan on turn 1
It's a four of, it more than likely is not even in my opening hand, I'm not too concerned about Thoughtseize. Liliana's ability isn't really a relevant argument given that the cards are in a token shell.

>i path your token in response
I cast it for X=2 because you had path mana up, what then anon? Are you going to path my Emrakul?

>>51610459
>>51610270
>>51610379
The problem with this is that 67% of the games you're playing a worse version of BW tokens, which already is a bad deck. Not to mention that the combo is countered by literally every removal spell in the format.

>>51610681
Not him:
>Tron shit on you
Tron is a unwinable matchup, if you gat paired agaisnt one, just ask to write 2/0 for them
>burn shut on token
Token is actualy good vs burn, having extra value from timely reinforcement and running manlands with lifelink is great
Also a turn of sorin usualy win you the game
>jund shut on token
You can outmidrange jund the same way you do it with abzan
>W.dec shit on token
Thats why I run mirrorweave as my secret teck istead of splashing a color
Becaus if you don't want to die you have to path your own creature if you don't wanna die
But it's good only on creature matchups

>>51610682
Twin had redundancy, filtering, counterspells, and was instant speed. Sure you had to attack, but you could combo off whenever. Plus drawing 8 cards from 60 is pretty easy

>>51610778
Lili forces you to sac a creature and emrakul is your only guy

Sure,i'll path both or bolt them. Or cast supreme verdict on my turn.

>>51610835
White-Black tokens is good against burn. Not WR

And no, you literally can't "out midrange" jund

>mirrorweave against path
Wat?


It's ok to play a bad deck, as long as you know why it's bad im trying to make esper viable. Trust me i know that feel

>>51610778
>I cast it for X=2
On turn 5? You won't be able to turn emracool sideways until t6. If you've got 2 or more tokens on T5 you're already winning anyway. BW control struggles against combo and tron. Tron shits on this combo and and both AN and Valakut aren't going to lose to a T6 emrakul. All this combo does is improve the already good MU's without improving on the bad ones. But you don't understand that because you don't play b/w tokens.

>>51610682
It's not viable, bit it's the gameplan and the fact that it's doing terrible doesn't change that

>>51610804
Well it isn't that I don't draw into it 67% of games, but rather that I don't necessarily play it turn 4, mostly to avoid the situation you mentioned. Waiting until five mana to target two of my creatures dodges everything except double removal which I should be able to see coming.

>>51610852
Twin was most certainly not instant speed, it could play a piece of the combo at instant speed.
>Plus drawing 8 cards from 60 is pretty easy
Lists often didn't have a full playset of any card that wasn't Twin. Plus you have to consider Twin was a two-card combo, even if you had twice the pieces you were still half as likely to have the pieces you needed.

This being effectively a one-card combo cuts slots in the deck, while keeping roughly the same probability as going off as Twin but without the deck manipulation.

>>51610927
That is helpful input. I don't imagine Tron being winnable in any case while Ad Nauseam is hardly a deck anymore. Titanbreach is a serious problem that should be answerable somehow but I'm not seeing it.

>>51610992
>Twin wasn't instant speed
You can activate creature abilities anytime you have priority. And with semen visions and remand you were effectively running a 52 card deck without your opening hand. Sure they didn't always draw it, but they could still win without it. You're "one card combo" is very easily disrupted and gets stopped by almost every deck

>>51610918
I was playing BW token, I stopped because there is too much tron where I leave
Against jund, you have ton consider that every removal they use kill 1/3rd or 1/4th of a card
Thanks to Vault of Archangel, you can kill a goyf or a kalitas with a token
Maelstrom pulse and decay are something, so you try to thoughtsize or IoK them from your opponent
Lili is dogshit in the matchup, because you can always discard ligering soul

The deck isn't bad because it loose to midrange, it is bad because it loose to everything else

>>51611059
The point of asking how to build tokens was so that my deck could win without drawing IC.

>You can activate creature abilities anytime you have priority.
You're a genius. Please tell me how you're casting Splinter Twin and entering combat at the end of their turn.

>>51610992
>Ad Nauseam is hardly a deck anymore.
???

Seriously tho, I don't see the point of the combo. Like it said the MU's that it improves(jund, junk, grixis, jeskai) are MU's that aren't really a problem for the standard BW tokens list. It does nothing to improve the aggro and combo MU. While it's a pretty cool idea, ultimately you're giving up consistency(the combo takes 5 slots) while not getting much in return. But feel free to post a rough list, maybe I'm wrong.

>>51611073
Lili maybe bad against the deck overall,but for the "combo" she sure as shit stops a single emrakul

>>51611098
You never played with or against Twin did you?

You try to kill twin while they have exarch/mite on the field? In response make a million tokens. Then your now useless removal resolves. Instant speed doesn't mean 'always on opponents turn'. It means 'literally whenever i have priority'. Look up Twin and see why it was good.

WR tokens might be a thing but your combo certainly is not. Try nahiri if you want emrakul. With tokens you can protect her AND it has haste

>>51611098
??????

Step 1: EOT your turn cast pestermite
Step 2: My turn cast splinter twin
Step 3: ???
Step 4: PROFIT!!!

>>51611115
It's literally a token deck. I'm not sure how Liliana is going to impact my board in any significant manner without a pile of additional removal to assist her.

>>51611107
Ad Nauseam is barely tier 2 if that, not exactly "deck to beat" status.

You're probably right though, I've got zero understanding of any of the matchups.

>>51611250
You have to be autistic to not understand common parlance and argue vehemently for a dictionary definition.

Splinter Twin is an enchantment. Combat is a phase that can only be moved to after the first main phase when both players pass priority in succession. These two actions share the requirements of casting a sorcery, the main phase being empty and nothing being on the stack.

Twin didn't put Twin on a Pestermite and pass, only to activate at some other time that wasn't BoC. They tapped the Pestermite and then proceeded to kill you dead.

>>51611302
>my turn
Thank you.

>>51611333
>enchantment
I legit completly forgot it wasn't a creature. But you seem to know how Twin works. So how in the hell do you not think it wasn't instant speed?

>>51611392
Ad Nauseam is an example of an instant speed combo. They can hold mana and blooms back and the moment it appears you can't interact with them they can combo that off, whether that be your upkeep or their EoT.

A combo that goes through combat, let alone one that requires casting an enchantment is hardly instant speed. I am aware that you may activate abilities at instant speed, but that's irrelevant for Twin's purposes.

How you don't understand that is beyond me.

>>51611333
A literal token that the combo literally relies on to literally kill its own tokens. It's turn 4 and with both of us killing your guys. And on my turn 4 i can pulse or decay any remaining tokens and have you sac emmy.Its a bad plan sempai. Run other cards

>>51611302
I forgot to mention pestermite is on turn 3.

>>51611455
>turn 2 any two token producing spell
>turn three any three token producing spell
So in that time you've cast four removal spells and Liliana?

>>51611424
Jesus Christ, anon. It's like your being dense on purpose. Instant Speed doesn't mean on your opponent's turn. Instant speed means at anytime you can cast an instant. The deck didn't win instantly like AN, but the combo can be done at instant speed. Thus negating removal. Which is why twin was good. Ic is not

>>51611525
If your only criteria is dodging single target removal, then I don't see how IC doesn't qualify given that you can simply target two things.

>It's like your being dense on purpose
It's like you don't understand what terms actually mean, likely because you don't even play the game.

>>51611494
Seeing as your drawing any card you want, what happens when you draw emrakul?

>>51611583
4x Faithless Looting, 3x Nahiri

Come at me cunt. If all of my Jund draws by four were lands, Liliana, three bolts, an Abrupt Decay, a Thoughtseize and a Goyf, I probably wouldn't lose a single match either.

>>51611574
Because if your targeting two things on turn 5 now, where is your opponent that they can't deal with a turn 6 emrakul? Shit most decks have already won or lost at this point.

Instant Speed combo is a combo that can go off at instant speed. This isn't hard grasp.

>>51611609
And now your just salty that nobody is impressed by your 33% chance of a turn 4 emrakul.

>>51611609
>Dedicating 8 cards for a bad version of Jeskai
>Watering down your own decks strategy
>Not just going full aggro Mardu token ham
Wew, lewd

>>51611652
The come at me was mostly friendly, learn how to handle banter anon.

How many decks have cards that can actually kill an Emrakul, regardless of turn? Emeria, Jund and Tron are the only ones that come to mind. Why are you so focused on turn count like I'm just playing lands and passing? My deck has threats and answers in it too, it's not like I'm neither interacting nor advancing my boardstate.

>>51611690
I didn't feel bad casting any of those cards in my playtesting actually. WR tokens doesn't have many other things to resolve turn 1 unfortunately.

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>>51611609
>I probably wouldn't lose a single match

Say that to my face and not online

>>51611707
Turn count matters in modern, man. When Karn or Ugin comes out on turn 3, affinity is swarming the board, jund has stripped your hand, and burn has you in the red zone, turn 4 and 5 are critical points in the game. Even a bad enough dude like emrakul doesn't quite make that big of a splash. And Tron and jund are both tier 1, which means you will be facing them a lot. You might fair better with junk/abzan

As for turn 1 plays that's why Mardu tokens is getting some attention. Thoughtseizing your opponent's best answer is always a good play. Plus black gives access to fatal push.

What decks were you testing against?

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What does /modern/ think of Padeem? To me, he seems like he'd be a natural fit into U-Tron, which specializes in high-cost artifacts and long grindy games.

>>51612021

Or Lantern Control, I guess.

>>51612021
It's shit.

>>51612021
I dunno if he does enough. Maybe, try him out and let us know

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>>51610006
>Playin'?
Pic related
Killin it online and in paper. I'm really happy with the list. Fun too.
>Hatin'?
Nothing? Tron I guess. Damn that big robot cock.
>Makin'?
Nothing, for once. I mean I'm hunting for Delver swag but for once I'm not brewing or wasting money on meme combo decks.

Speaking of counterspell edition. I'm thinking of giving Deprive, has anyone played with Deprive?

>>51610006
Gutteral response is the only counterspell I run. All the others (with the exception of mana tithe) require colours that I don't play.

>>51612270
Its shit
>let me 2 for 1 myself and spend mana to do it
>its also a revserse timewalk
>and i have none of the traditional means blue gets for slowing my opponents down to recover from the land bounce
>pls dont dispell it btw, i have to rape my own lands no matter what

>>51612565
>Gutteral Response in my Burn sideboard to combat opposing Cruises.

Man, those were some spicy days.

>>51612704
Not that anon but it looks like his deck runs on 2 lands just fine so bouncing excess lands for a hard counter actually sounds alright.
Sounds like you're thinking in the terms of a slow blue deck

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>>51612270
>Bedlam Reveler
>Traverse the Ulvenwald
>Simic Charm

>>51612790
>paying 5 life for one land
Anon its not the curve of the deck, its that the card in question has place in this niche. This isnt path to exile this is you losing a land. There is nothing worse than missing one land drop but forcing yourself to lose a turns worth of lands is suicide in a format that can end on turn 2. Deprive is meant to be played in a deck that can take extra turns.

>>51612893
>bouncing a shock
>when you have 15 other targets

Dude, come on. It's not that bad. It's not GREAT, but one or two Deprive along with other counters should be alright.

I would be more worried about having UU in this kind of deck than anything else.

>>51612893
I find it hilarious that modern, even with actual wizards effort to constantly slow down the format is still faster than Legacy or Vintage.

>What's your favorite counter in the format? And why?
Logic Knot as a one-of in a Fetch heavy shell, about once a FNM there's something I want to Leak but can't because they'll pay the 3, dropping a Leak for a single Logic Knot deals with that elegantly.

>How do you play around/bluff counter magic?
I like to get into counter wars because my deck can but otherwise I just play in to it, in Modern they run out of counters before you run out of threats.

>Any blowouts because of them?
Cryptic counterbounce is an awesome blowout when they're trying to land a wrath or something, love doing that.

>What are the best counters?
Mana Leak, Remand, Negate, Countersquall, Cryptic Command

>>51611782
>Mardu tokens is getting some attention.
mardu tokens isn't getting any attention. The token strategy is just not strong enough, but if you absolutely have to run tokens mardu is the best build.

>>51611709
Hit with Thoughtseize.

>>51613264
You can if you want. But its really a waste of two life and a discard. Tron just use ancient stirrings to dig for another one. A much better target would be scrying or even map. Keep them off tron as long as possible

>>51613005
I'd rather play delay, the game isnt going to last long enough for them to get it out of exile.
>>51613019
Because they keep banning things that dont increase the health of the format.

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Redpill me on RG land destruction.

>>51615216
It's a jank killer. Real decks laugh at it

TLDR: discuss optimal counter package for modern right now

Ok. If counters are our thing here maybe you can help me out.

What's the optimal counter list to give me game across modern. Let's say I've never played blew before mostly Mardu colours.

I know what I'm building isn't optimal by the least but it's damn fun to play and doesn't auto lose to the top decks. Esper meme. So far I'm on 3 cryptic, 2 remand and bouncing between 2 and 3 spell snares (I really underestimated this cards impact on the format). I have a similar curve to grixis control maybe a touch fatter.

>>51615543
Post your deck or we can't help

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>every win is a perfect win
excellent

>>51615543
>optimal counter package for modern right now
No such thing, your counter package needs to be tailored for your meta, your ideal mix of counters also depends on which deck you're running and its mana curve and colours.

>>51615658
What's the reasoning behind Inspiring+Emracool wincon? Besides the swag factor of course, it costs 1 more mana than grapeshot.
or is it outta the sb?

>>51616014
Just swag factor

>>51612193
Bit too high cmc for lantern and it also turns on the removal that's usually useless for the opponent, it also doesn't stop against mass artifact removal.

>>51616080
Nice. I like it, very creative wincon as well.

>>51615216
>laughingsilvergolems.jpg

I love getting matched against jank LD decks

>but Tron hates land destruction!
No, we hate getting our towers extracted. If it's only destroyed, then I can just get another one. The entire deck is designed to grab lands and slam fatty. And I guarantee that you'll run out of gas faster than I'll run out of ramp spells. Plus post sideboard I have loam and crucible depending on how I'm feeling.

Of course all of this is assuming you aren't running extraction. Which you should be in a LD deck

>play against tron with my tooth and nail
>they drop tron piece two of three and crack map for the third turn 2
>I drop blood moon
>he just looks at me in disgust
No better feeling

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>>51616593
i haven't dropped a match to either rg or gw tron in months. i've never actually lost to u tron and nobody plays bg tron.

>>51616965
>not running enchantment/artifact removal
>as tron

Sounds like a bad tron pilot desu

Also, what the fuck is wrong with new captcha?

>>51615543
>Mardu colours
Lmao

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>>51610006
>What's your favorite counter in the format? And why?

This. It doesn't stop WoG, planeswalkers, creatures, or anger. But if you have something you absolutely need to protect on the cheap and have a versatile card against GBx and burn, look no further. It has a boatload of targets, and the fact that it doesn't stop some proactive plans is alright as long as a deck shows up that has a game winning threat in these colors. It's disgusting tempo with snapcaster.

Is UR storm back?

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>>51617833
No, UW storm time now

>>51617856
How are decks like Cheerios fun for people?
Slam guy then pray he lives then drop free artifacts. There is zero play to this deck.
>Inb4 idiots give simplified definitions for other decks

>>51617998
The same reason anyone plays any deck: they get to have fun playing Magic.

Although, I've been golsfishing a list and either I'm really bad, or it wiffs more often than not.

>>51618142
>playing
>implying

>>51618142
What turn are you going off on, 2 or 3?
>>51617998
The play is all in hand selection, choosing when to go off and bluffing that you're a different deck.

>>51617833
It looks like it's making some kind of resurgence with Baral being a better electromancer, though I figured the probe ban would be the final nail in it's coffin.

>>51618193
Yeah, man, you're totally right. The 100 or so people that are here just bitch and moan about a game that they don't really play. We just like to argue about meme decks or if Tron is/isn't a control deck (it's a combo deck that plays like a control deck that's piloted by Timmys) or why a deck that 5- 0s MTGO leagues is actually shit and never actually sit down to play.

>>51618234
Generally turn 3 unless I have a really good hand with multiple Opals. I think i might just be doing something wrong. I don't really want to play the deck in paper, but I like to test out different decks so i know how to beat them better.

>>51618234
Do I have puresteel/sram? No? Mulligan
Your deck is so fragile you just go off whenever you can

>>51618326
Nice reading comprehension. He's implying Cheerios isn't playing magic you dumb cunt

>>51618363
Why are you so butt flustered my man, just stop tapping out for expedition map and you'll be fine

>>51618389
I'm not. Why are you so obsessed with tron?
The deck is the definition of goldfish

>>51618389
>don't tap out ever
Yea that's not oppressive. You do know the deck is capable of turn 1 kills and easily managed turn 2-3

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>>51610006
fave counter is probably shoal. it feels so good to tap out with interaction up
i usually brute force through counters instead of playing around them. comboing off with double pact protection, boseiju, or having more efficient spells in the case of delver is what does the trick
i think dispel is one of the best counters that hasn't been mentioned much itt. does chalice count as a counterspell? it's really good but more of a counterpermanent i guess

>>51612704
>>51612893
i think you are vastly overstating the drawbacks of deprive. if it's the only interaction in your opener and somehow the rest of your cards are 2-drops then you can just mulligan. Also your greentext isn't very compelling. It's not a 2 for 1 and even if it was, tempo decks often want to trade cards for tempo. It's not a timewalk unless your opponent spent no mana on the thing you are countering and if you deprive when you're already on three/four lands it doesn't really set you back since that's where you stop making land drops anyways and it becomes counterspell
having said that and played neither, i think i like delay better.

>>51613606
>Keep them off tron as long as possible
is that really a good strategy for any thoughtseize deck? the difference between turn 3 tron and turn 5 tron doesn't feel that great for non-combo black decks and i don't think i've ever kept someone off tron by ripping tutors. not to mention they have 8 tutors for lands and only 1 tutor for bombs...

>>51612848
>chaining revellers and traverses and snapcasters for insane value
charm is your only protection from abrupt decay and against tron being either a lava spike or an unsummon is relevant

>>51612270
>seal of primordium
i just now realized that i've been running seal of cleansing and it's not even legal in modern. No one has called me out but i wanna know why white and blue seals are omitted

>>51618483
>against a deck that folds to interaction
>refuse to play any interaction
>lose
That's called a weakness anon. I realize this is new to you as uninteractive decks so far didn't have them in modern.
>easily managed turn 2
it's pretty risky to go off turn 2 even if your opponent is tapped out

>>51618574
Wow. Chill out with the shitty condescending attitude. I can hear your fedora tip from here

>>51618664
>give criticsm
>explain what and why
>fedora tipper

Not the same guy but, do you have autism?

>>51618566
>>chaining revellers and traverses and snapcasters for insane value
>charm is your only protection from abrupt decay and against tron being either a lava spike or an unsummon is relevant
This guy gets it

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What is your favourite card in modern /tg/?

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>>51619106

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>>51619106

>>51619165
Ew

>>51618566
>fave counter is probably shoal. it feels so good to tap out with interaction up
Force of Will is a bad card that gets sideboarded out the instant you know your opponent isn't playing combo.

>>51619452
Not the legacy thread, retard

>>51619452
>Force of Will is a bad card that gets sideboarded out the instant you know your opponent isn't playing combo
If you're playing BUG or Miracles, sure

Not if you're on UR Delver or Reanimator

>>51619491
But the concept of card advantage extends across all formats.

Redpill me on burn. I'm just ready to say screw it and build the best linear deck in the format. That and Fuck Tron

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>>51619106

>>51619638
Burn is bad. People only play it because it is cheap and easy.
I find it uses nut draws as a crutch and usually loses to competent players

>>51617833
>Is UR storm back?

what. where?

>>51618791
In what matchup do you bring reveler in ?
How is your sideboard plan in these matchups ?

The deck interest me, and I'm playtesting with pretty much your list, without the dismember and the 4th denial instead and -2 pyroclasm,-2 reveler,-1 seal ,+2 anger of the gods, +2 destructive revelry and a flex slot in sideboard (I play anger only because dredge I think dredge will still be a thing for a while in my area)

My favorite format edh, isn't plays very much at my lgs, just modern legacy, and draft. I don't have a actual fortune to spent on card board for legacy and draft is kind of boring to me What kind of deck should an edh babbie ( me ) invest in to get into modern? Is there fun janky decks like chaos and it's shenanigans in commander?

>>51619881
Mono Green Stompy or U-tron

>>51619881
Jund

Brew up a competitive Modern deck with Metalwork Colossus, my family.

>>51620455
It's easy, just jam it into affinity

>>51620455
Restore Balance +4 collosus -4 lands

>>51610006
Modern is shit until new banlist, let's speculate MM3 mythics instead.
>Avacyn, Angel of Hope
>Gideon Jura
>Snapcaster Mage
>Omniscience
>Liliana of the Veil
>Griselbrand
>Thundermaw Hellkite
>Bonfire of the Damned
>Tarmogoyf
>Craterhoof Behemoth
>Olivia Voldaren
>Voice of Resurgence
>Mox Opal
>Ensnaring Bridge
>Gemstone Cavern

>>51620680
Cavern

>>51620680
>LotV AND Goyf
You're dreaming.
Also cavern of souls.

>>51620680
>Gideon Jura
>Omniscience
>Thundermaw Hellkite
>Mox Opal
>Ensnaring Bridge
>Gemstone Cavern

doubt any of these will make it. let's hope goyf and bob make it for the third time

Id say Voice of Resurgence, Abrupt Decay are very likely to appear

>>51620753
this too

>>51620455
there's this...

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/budget-magic-95-30-tix-modern-mono-blue-colossus

>>51620766
EMA had Force, Crypt, Karakas and Jace.
And Goyf's value isn't real, at this point it's not supply and demand, it's all SCG refusing to lower the price and others not wanting to sell their Goyfs at the price people are willing to pay just to have them resold to SCG later. I've seen whole binders of that shit at GPs an not-one single bite.

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>>51619873
>In what matchup do you bring reveler in ?
>How is your sideboard plan in these matchups ?

I bring the Reveler package in a lot of the time. It's not always the same but the package usually includes Reveler, Huntmaster and Blood Moon.

Huntmaster and Blood Moon should be rather obvious, but Bedlam comes in against any deck where I can't just drop a threat or two and tempo them out. Control, Midrange, Affinity, etc.
It may seem janky on paper but really, dropping a 3/4 prowess and drawing 3 cards is GG for a lot of decks, and if it isn't, I'll traverse for another Reveler.
You and jund are in top deck mode and you've both exhausted your answers and threats. Now I've got an advantage.
I've used up my Delvers and removal on Affinity, now I have one last hard to remove threat for them and a grip.

The concession to Reveler is that you need to board out Mandrills. They don't play well together.

Sometimes I win simply by using Reveler as a draw spell to dig for bolts. Countless times I've been on the verge of death just to 'Revel' into bolt/snap/counterspell and can clutch the game out there.

Seal of Primordium is another concession to Bedlam Reveler so we can drop it in anticipation of a RiP or other problem card instead of making the choice between discarding it or holding back on the Reveler plan.

>>51616593
I mean you say that but I don't think I've ever lost a match to tron playing living end because of incidental land hate keeping them off tron a few turns until I can kill in one swing. and post board I just bring in crumble to dust

>>51620455
Restore Balance decks, specifically the borderpost lists.

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>>51619106

>>51610108
>I don't care which option they chose, it always help me

oh boy, here we go.

>>51618566
>i wanna know why white and blue seals are omitted
Because timeshift cards are legal, and primordium is the timeshifted version of cleansing. Think simian spirit guide and elvish spirit guide, or mana tithe and force spike.

>>51612270
Do you have the expeditions irl too?

>>51622961
Still, wonder why they've never reprinted seal of cleansing. Seems like a fine card for standard

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FREE GGT

is living end viable now that dredge exists?

>deck looks fun and pretty competitive
>auto loses to tron
Why does this keep happening to me?

>>51624126
Stop playing durdly shit

>>51624126
Because you want to play for more than 3 turns.
That can't be allowed in Modern.

>Turn 2
>Cheerios has out a Puresteel Paladin and a Monastery Mentor
>Is now going off

My god. I kept counters but no bolts. This deck is ruthless.

I'm going to GP Vegas in the summer.

What decks should I be on the lookout to sideboard against? I've never had to actually think about my sideboard because all but 3 of us at my LGS are casual as all hell

>>51624344
Too far away

>>51624308
>playing countespells
>in modern

joke is on you anon

>>51624245
But I enjoy durdling

>>51624783
Then Tron loves stomping you

>>51624308
Surely they've got no 0s left if they opaled out a pure steel turn 1 and then monastery turn 2. That's 7 cards without any redraws.

>>51624821
Plains
Paradise Mantle
Bone Saw
Mox Opal
Puresteel Paladin
Attach, play another Opal and it went on.

Not super common but Cheerios is definitely a contender now.

>>51622932
Well, I am playing Triskaidekaphobia
Losing 1/4th of your life is not something you want to do when the clock is already ticking

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>tfw run a playset of Helix in boros burn
>works decently in the mirror

Boros has me now. I would go Naya but I don't have tarns and without them I've been burned too many times by not having green available.

Fellow burnbros, do you Boros or Naya? Any bump in the night mardu/jund boiz?

also, I've been trying 20 lands lately and I kindof hate it, only reason I like it is because it fills a slot. The eternal 1lander feels bad man but the flood feels even worse.

POST YOUR BURN LISTS BOYZ
where the fuck did i put that 4th Searing Blaze...

>>51624876
>tarns
You what? You wood need wooded foothills. Why would you want the UR fetch?

>>51624890
Not specifically tarns, but more fetchlands.
Already got wooded and bloodstained, but I want more for a three-coloured manabase.

I'd run tarns over arids to show my opponents that I could be playing any other deck in the format but I settled for slinging bolts

>>51624997
Cringe

>>51625038
It was a bad joke m8 I'm clearly poor or I'd be playing Naya.

A perfect burn list would have an equal split of the red fetch lands to minimize Pithing Needles from lantern but frankly my autism isn't quite there yet.

Should I main a Tasigur or a Torrential Gearhulk in Esper Draw-go?

So where does tron belong in the spectrum of aggro-control-midrange-combo?

>>51625194
Control with heavy combo elements. Many decks fight it as if it's combo.

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>>51625194
Can you not? Please?

>>51625107
If you already have 4 snaps i'd consider snapdaddy

>>51625194
It's just ramp. Ramp into big guys and big artifacts.

>>51625509
That sounds extremely painful

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>>51625509
>big guys

>>51623427

They've moved destroying artifact or enchantment to green, from white

Hence later core sets having naturalize instead of Disenchant

White now gets destroy just enchantment more often, although they still occasionally destroy both

>>51625509

Yeah I don't see why ramp isn't it's own deck archetype, it's existed since alpha in every format (except edh, where every deck is ramp)

>>51625107
Gearhulk definitely

>>51624871
If they're already close to 13 they just gain a lot of free turns by paying the 5 life.

>>51626157
>If they're already close to 13
I don't counter their spell unless it kills me on the spot

>>51620994
Sorry if you misunderstood me, but I sure love reveler since ut was spoiled
Same goes for Traverse
I already sideboard out mandrill in most matchup where I board in Huntmasters

For exemple agaisnt jund, I board in blood moon and huntmasters and board out mandrills, baubles and the 4th scour

I like them a lot for sure but I don't know what to take out.

>>51626338
But if it kills you on the spot, they just pay the life.

>>51626750
And I lose, like expected
But I can still try, can't I?

>>51625223
This. The tutors+lands that tap for more than 1 isn't a combo in the win the game sense, it's a requisite for playing an over-the-top tap-out board *control* game. Reminder that Karn, Oblivion Stone and 4-of removal spell of your choice cannot win the game, Ugin would be unplayable if he couldn't -x, Wurmcoil would be played even if it had defender and World Breaker's primary function is to block fliers and answers your opponent's best threats with the relevant keywords.

Eldrazi Tron isn't a Tron deck, it's a worse version of Bant Eldrazi and/or Legacy Eldrazi Stompy, the exemplary stupid beatdown deck with just enough "interaction" to stop your opponent from stopping your combats.

>>51624876
I was playing at a tournament in Toronto last week, when I suddenly realized that I fucking hate playing grim lavamancer. It's a good card, but it always eats a bolt right away, or I simply never draw it. Decided to run two helix in the main instead.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/lightning-bolt-tribal/

>>51625736
Because ramp isn't a gameplan, it's a means of executing it. Belcher ramps into a turn turn 1 goldfish, Tron ramps into a tap-out control game, anything involving Gifts Ungiven+signets ramps into the namesake on turn 3 or just more answers per turn than your opponent can deploy threats, Bant Eldrazi ramps into dumb beaters, Valakut ramps into inevitability and/or one-shot kills with Scapeshift/Breach Ttitan.

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>>51619106

>>51627078
We need more people like this in Modern.

>>51619750
This. Dont build burn, i did and hated playing it and it wasnt great. Im having so much more fun and winning alot more playing mono green devotion if that puts a perspective out there.

>>51619750
>>51627314
For one, Burn is more expensive in Modern than in Legacy, purely because you're not going mono-red.

Still, it's not a bad deck, though it never was or will be tier 1 as far as Eternal formats go. The deck is too dependent on top decking luckily.

Yet, it receives too much hate here, even if it is an easy deck to play, there still are decks that have a bad match up against burn.

>>51627382
Decks that run fetchlands generally have a bad matchup against burn.

>>51610006
>Favourite
Pic related because in most cases there is either no next upkeep or i get to play it for W.
>Blowouts
Sometimes you can't cast it turns 1-3
>Best counters
Any other counterspell, so long as you are not tapped out and you have another few

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>>51627944
forgot pic

>>51627958
Pact is cool, but I find that it is only really useful as a "oh shit protect my combo" card. One you keep up as you proceed to storm out for a million

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>>51610006
Mana Leak that gets better as I fill the yard? Yes please. No other 2-CMC counter I'd run in Grixis besides Countersquall.

>>51627382
Im not saying burn is a bad deck by any means, but i feel like its similar to affinity in sideboard. For instance if they cast and resolve 1 lifegain spell/finks that puts you like 1-3 off your clock and in modern thats ballbusting

>>51627737
Lol no, any 3-4 color midrange pile can just run Lightning Helix, Timely Reinforcements and Kitchen Finks.

>>51626796
You're bad at this game

>>51629188
>creature soldier

>>51629188
>not running logic knot

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>>51610006
>What's your favorite counter in the format? And why?
This one I used to love it. It's the same stuff as >>51610108 but it sacrifices a 1 damage for a little more flexibility. Also, counters are not that expected in that color.

>>51629437
Yeah, but most lists run 4 Atarka's Commands which cancel out lifegain.

I also run 3 Skullcracks in my 75.

I'm not saying lifegain isn't a problem for Burn, because it is, but there are ways to mitigate that.

>>51629887
Whoops, this is Modern, my bad.

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>>51619106

>>51610108
Any combo deck going off laughs at this shit. Worthless imo.

>>51626359
Depends on the matchup. Against midrange or control, take out all your scours.
Against affinity take out all countermagic

>march 13
>Mox opal banned
>ssg banned
>Puresteel paladin banned
>8th edition banned
Make modern great again

>>51631319
mor lik everything but skullclamp unbanned
make modern G R E A T again

Is cucktrol decent yet?

Haven't played since Khans.

I just want to play my think twice and die T3 to memefect

>>51631335
Look at this shitter, he wants Mental Misstep, Eye of Ugin and Blazing Shoal back in the format.

>>51631319
>ban every deck i lose to
>ban every deck I don't like

Wew.

>>51631375
you're damn right I do you fucking nerf herder sumbitch

>>51631396
Star wars fans need to be purged

>>51631319

Just go play frontier

>>51631449
jokes on you, I've never even watched the movies, just the family guy parodies

>>51631319
>8th ed meme
Modern players really are too stupid that the cards they hate so much from 8th ed are in 9th too, right?

>>51612270
This deck looks cool. Lots of little synergies. I'm always turned off by straight goodstuff decks
Gonna jam this on cock

>>51631520
>never watched Star Wars
>watches family guy
kys.

>>51631520
Jokes on you for watching that garbage. The star wars episodes are the absolute worst

>>51631520
>Watching Seth McCucklanes bowl movement

Atleast be watching American Dad, where that kike fuck has nothing more than his name in.

>>51631593

He's not jewish. Are you just spamming your big boy words to fit in with /b/?

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>>51629964
when you primal command into land on top and tutor e witness for 5 turns in a row

>>51631520
>>51631561
>>51631571
>>51631593
>>51631643
Magic the gathering

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Decide my fate /tg/, what deck should I play for the next 6 monthes: Melira Company, Infect or Bant Eldrazi

My problem with Melira Company is that the deck fucking disappeared once hate came in via dredge being a thing so its possible it happens again. Ive always thought this deck was dogshit, but being a pod player I want it to be good.

My problem with infect is that with fatal push, removal and melira spam recently theres so much shit you have to play through. Infect has always been able to deal with it but I wonder if its gotten to be too much now.

My problem with Bant eldrazi is that I never feel like I am winning, I feel like my deck is winning. I ramp, shit out some number of eldrazi and see what happens. The deck is completely fucking brainless and sometimes it feels like there was actual nothing I could do to not lose. The deck also eats shit to the numerous combo decks that exist rn.

>>51631779
Play none of those.
Brew Jund CoCo instead.

>>51631779
If you want to win, Eldrazi.
if your want to have fun play what you want

>>51631561
to be fair he doesn't really need to, those movies are shit

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Hear me out:

Unban:

Stoneforge
Twin
Deathrite
Eye of Ugin

Ban:

Eldrazi Temple
Batterskull
Mutagenic Growth
Gut Shot

Does this make Modern better? Or fucktuples the problems?

What are bant eldrazi silver bullets?

>>51632074
>mutagenic growth
>gutshot
For what purpose

>>51632103
Ceremonius rejection

>>51632103
Blood moon

>>51632074
>Mutagenic Growth
>Gut Shot
>Batterskull
Why? Any of those - just why?

>Deathrite
That's actually the best creature ever printed in the fucking game and is one of the most played cards in Legacy. Modern is by no means a good fit for a card of that caliber. The card does way too many things and way too well and all it would cause is a lot of decks simply going from tier 1 or tier 1.5 to tier 2 or less and tier 2 decks and rogues just disappearing from competitive scene.

>Stoneforge
People would cry without ever shutting up about it, but yes, it could go off the list by now.

>>51631779
abzhan toolbox took a lot of top 8's recently. it would be a fine choice

>>51629188
would replacing mana leak with this actually work in grixis delver?

>>51632620
With delve it would probably be worse. Also it sucks with snapcaster

>>51610108
The problem is that you really do care what choice they make, if can combo this with something like extort or better yet something that would double their loss of life then sure it's a good card.

Otherwise you're dealing with countering something that people would want be okay with being countered or something that puts them on the advantage and the life doesn't matter anymore.

The best case scenario this card can be is an advantageous lava axe that combos to put you back on even footing, otherwise it's going to be used as a wasted counterspell.

Now maybe stick it on an iso stick with some untap and you can have some fun.

>>51632620
Thought Scour is what pushes it beyond Leak.

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>>51632074
>skubfags

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>>51634039
>anti-skub cucks

Bet you enjoy the current standard environment, don't you?

>>51634488
Jokes on you, I haven't touched standard since Mirrodin.

>>51634668
Go back to your family guy

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>>51632103
just not this specific version

Trophy mage + swords on a geist of st traft deck.
Yay or nay?

>>51634860
Make it bant with noble hierarch and company, you might get somewhere. It will still be worse than most other decks.

>>51634860
Bogles is infinitely better at the Voltron plan. Trophy Mage is do nothing outside of being an expensive tutor.
The swords ate underwhelming in modern anyway
Way too much mana to tutor, play swords and equip. Not to mention the 3cmc for Geist

Redpill me on Narset Transcendent and Gideon All of Zendikar

Post delver variants :3

>>51632074
Twin should obviously be unbanned. It should never have been banned desu.

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>>51635552
Here my opponent appears to be on esper delver. Will he be able to stabilise and claim victory?

>>51635797
He's fucked desu

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>>51635815

>>51635797
>>51635845

>Esper Delver

Then again, both decks are variants.

Post decklist of your Zoo deck, familia

I assume there's no budget alternative to Goblin Guide in Burn? I wanna build boros

>>51635797
That's what he gets. Grixis, Temur or bust

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>>51635872
It's someone else's list, haven't done any tuning at all yet. Not entirely sold on thalia. Renegade Rallier is great, it can either get a fetch for more damage or just return a creature for value.
Also the esper player has smuggler's copter, spicy.

>>51635892
Not really. You can run something like Lil' Zurgo, but that's just bad. I think i used Spark Elementals until i got guides.

They're kind of essential.

>>51635845
I'd really love if Esper Delver worked but it just sucks

>>51635892
vexing devil is better than goblin guide because he always deals at least 4 and the opponent doesn't get a card out of him either. Ignore the memers that say he's bad because of the choice, I play him and he puts in work.

>>51636350
Vexing devil is fucking trash. Get outta here

>>51635500
>Standard cards
>Modern thread

>>51636350
Devil is trash, like really.

>have removal?
>let Devil resolve
>kill devil

Or

>don't have removal?
>free Dismember for Devil

It's terrible to give your opponent a choice. They will always choose the option that's worse for you. Would you run Browbeat?

>>51636350
The choice does matter, depending against what you play, though the card isn't terrible.
>better than goblin guide
Well, you're the "memer" here. Goblin guide puts in way more work in most match ups than Vexing ever would.

Also:
>Discussing fucking Burn of all decks

>>51636473
What else are we gonna do?
Whine about tron?
Post our tier 100 rug delver decks?

>>51636498
Those decks at least brings some kind of discussion to table.

Burn is brain dead. There is nothing to discuss, whine or brag about easiest deck to play in the format.

>>51636648
>should i kill your hand or your board
>should i look for my 3 mana land or my 2 mana land
vs
>should i use my creatures for damage or killing creatures
>should i bolt face or bolt to cut a path through their blockers
wew what a difference, modern is truly the thinking mans format.

>>51636498
>Post our tier 100 rug delver decks?
Why you upset though?

>>51636700
Delver decks are some of the most difficult to pilot in any format. Check yourself bruh

>>51636723
>b-b-but this weak deck thats my favorite has choices to make!
When delver is the highest played and most powerful deck while retaining that complexity that arguement will work.

>>51636825
Dude. Why you so upset? Also your reasoning is retarded

>>51636723
>Modern
Proper storm and Mono U tron and gifts tron are all more complex and harder to pilot than delver variants. I'm sure there's some other decks too that could be argued for.
>Legacy
Miracles, DDFT, TPS, ANT all more complex and harder than delver variants to play properly
>Vintage
lol

Still, way more to discuss about because of variants alone and way harder than burn ever was or will be.

>>51636945
Kys

>>51636723
AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA DELVER IS COMPLEX


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HEY GUYS LOOK AT THIS MIDRANGE PLAYER AHAHAHAHAHAH


poor dumb lad

>>51637029
It's time to stop posting

>>51636994
I guess the burntard feels quite burned.

>>51636845
Im not upset, I just wont delude myself into thinking there is depth in a format that bans cards that give you choices and only exists because extended didnt make wotc enough money.

>>51637087
You should listen to yyour own advice lad.

>>51637180
>lad
>lad

>>51637219
Did i mingle your jingles m8?

>>51637131
>cards that give you choices
>>51610108
:^]

>>51637235
>mingle your jingles m8?
Nah, this one was good. Ya can't go around memeing so hard friend

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>>51637258
And who'll stop me from that laddie?

>>51637087
it is saddening that the game is being balanced around opinions by people such as yourself.

>>51637315
What opinions would those be?
I only said stop posting.

>>51632324
Banning batterskull makes unbanning Stoneforge somewhat reasonable.
I personally support the action in order to make equipment less garbage in modern.

>>51634860
Swords are kinda shit in modern senpai
were stoneforge mystic legal they would be fine, but without it they are just the definition of underwhelming.

Should I buy goyfs and lilis or ps4 and persona 5 limited edition?

>>51637817
I like video games but magic is much better

>>51637817
the ps is obsolete in a few years

carboard is forever

>>51610163
I rape fools with this, side board it into every white deck
>nice ad nauseum there bud

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I dropped out of modern after the Eye was banned. What are tron decks up to these days? besides the obvious, what should I change up about my list?

>>51638156
RG tron is old and busted, GW and GB are the best now

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>>51638190
Sweet, what's going on with the black splash? Discard? Fatal Push? One With Nothing? Does anyone rock Eldrazi Temple with a any amount of the new buggers? I know I could just check mtgtop8 but wheres the fun in that?

>>51620680

Damnation

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>>51638283
this little card shits all over burn and infect, and there's a GB fastland now
GW has Blessed Alliance and access to the best white sideboard cards

So is Tiago getting reprinted as a rare or mythic?
Are they going to pull the "draft environment" card on him it's mythic?

>>51638386
Snap isn't even that great in draft though

>>51638190
I wonder... do you think we could make Junk Tron a thing or would that be spreading too thin?

>>51638343
Cheers breh. I think I'll give the black splash a try. Brutal Charm looks sick.

>>51638422
It doesn't matter anon, we wouldn't want to warp a limited environment with powerful cards. This is a draft set after all :^)

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>that deck you have almost finished but just don't want to drop 200+ on that playsets of niche cards you need
What's her name tg?

>>51638156
>he didn't sell his 40 dollar eye when he had the chance
Poor show desu

>>51638718
Legacy DnT on MTGO. Rashidan Ports are the most expensive card on MTGO at $170 each. They cost more than the rest of the deck combined.

>>51638825
>paying 600+ for imaginary cardboard
Don't ever fucking do this bruh

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>>51638748
Maybe I could have made some chump change but I had no intention to sell my eyes during the spike. I was too busy using them and I haven't stopped.

>>51610006
so I bought a Kaladesh Deck Builder's Toolkit the other day, anything I should keep in mind while building a deck or two using it(I've been playing MtG for years, just been out of the game in terms of buying new product for the last 2-3 of them)

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>>51638881
>deck builders tool kit
>modern

>>51638718

Faeries. I'd imagine it's still shit even with Push being out.

For the moment I have Burn to keep me sated. It's linear enough to give a good W/L ratio.

>>51638863
>still riding the poor fag eldrazi aggro memes
Either buy duals or don't play legacy desu, everytime I have to play against that shitty meme or burn or manaless dredge I want to blow my brains out

>>51638881
>anything I should keep in mind
Don't use just the cards from the kit. It's for new players and will not carry you very far in a competitive format where your opponents are using a card-pool from the last 12 or so Years of magic.

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>>51638988
Aren't we prickly. Have an outdated shot of my ANT deck.

>>51639024
>has an ANT deck
>chooses to play memedrazi
Why

>>51638988
>hating manaless dredge
how to spot someone who hates fun.

>>51639125
It's literally just a free win against some faggot who already knows he's losing game 2 and 3 unless he gets lucky, it's a fucking meme, literally exclusive to broke autists

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>>51639090
Why not both?

>>51639149
>being this assblasted about low tier meme decks
Wew lad I bet you're fun to play with anon, please tell me about your miracles deck again.

>>51639149
Show me on the doll where the dredge play touched you.

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New player here

can you cast an instant such as shadow of doubt in response to an opponent fetching and essentially cause them to sacrifice a land for nothing?

>>51638881
Disregard all the cards you just bought and look up some meta decks.

Then build one of those.

>>51638718
arcane tribal
atm i need shoals, breaches, emrakul, and pacts and then i can see how bad things go with basics instead of blackcleave cliffs..

>>51639369
yeah same with squelch, trickbind, and flashing in leonin arbiter or aven mindcensor

Mm3 will have taigo and bolt.

OP here. I'll make a new thread shortly.

>>51636014
Goyf in small zoo is just so underwhelming. I cut it when I used to play Naya zoo.

>>51639496

Doesn't goyf work best in more value/midrange decks?

Cause if you're running Big or Company Zoo, Goyf works a lot better since you're running bigger guys (for them) with bigger guts.

Little Zoo works best imo when you're going all in with Bushwacker/Atarka's.

>>51638156
Why the actual fuck did you drop the format when Eye was banned? It's not like it hurts Tron any substantial amount to matter, in fact Tron is slated very well against a slower meta after the recent bannings and has been putting up decent numbers.

>>51639563
Got bored with the low power level. I wanted to play fast mana and efficient counter magic.

>>51639931
new thread
>>51639931
new thread
>>51639931
new thread