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>>51609589

• Conjuring aspects in large batches comes with a discount of charges, but you must commit to the mass-conjuration beforehand.
• The rod announces special days wherein the appearance rates of certain powerful devils dramatically improve! Better stockpile charges before those days.
• A binding rod is actually cheap and easy to craft, even for a mundane mortal. Giving a binding rod to a friend rewards you with a large amount of charges!

How much havoc will this insidious scheme wreak?

>Devils using Freemium skinner's box schemes to spread large quantities of minor evil

Suitably lawful and evil, I approve.

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>>51609589
Gacha is bad civilization, so I can't really be surprised that's a literal demonic scheme.

>>51609589
It's not amazing but I mean, it doesn't seem to cost devils any, forms a contract to increase law and necessitates evil actions.

So it's okay/10. I wouldn't make it the huge evil scheme but something a minor demon is sstarting to build or a system that's becoming a core part of the setting could work.

>>51609640
Just imagine all those people screwing their family out of inheritance thanks to legal loopholes just to get that SSR Asmodeus in a Santa hat. Most devilish scheme.

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The baatezu and the yugoloths are considering implementing prerequisites for conjuring an aspect of one of the more desirable devils, like Glasya or Asmodeus. The idea is that you must first have aspects of their retainers in your binding circle.

For Glasya, this is easy, as her only retainer is Tartach.

If you want Asmodeus, you will first need Adramalech, Phongor, Buer, Bune, Morax, Rimmon, Zagum, Alastor, Baalberith, and Martinet.

You need these prerequisites first, and only THEN do you have a chance of conjuring the archduke in question.

Should this be implemented in this scheme, or would it discourage foolish mortals, since they know they have no chance of getting an aspect of Glasya or Asmodeus on their first try?

>>51609649

It costs the unique, named devils power to create those aspects, but they gain a net profit in power because of the mortals' acts of law and evil.

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>>51609589
>Whenever the mortal willingly commits a major act of law and/or evil (with neither chaos nor good), the rod gains a single charge.
>>Whenever the mortal willingly commits a major act of law

>paying taxes
>writing letters to officials
>volunteer work
>baking cookies for the town guards
>being honest and keeping your word

Sounds pretty nice.

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>>51609816

It might sound weird, but yes, the baatezu are equal parts law and evil.

Every law-abiding act is a step towards winning the Blood War for the Nine Hells!

>volunteer work
>baking cookies for the town guards

These have a bit too much good in them though. You might not qualify for a charge that way!

>>51609839
>current PC is bound by an epic level ritual to be a soul sacrifice to a demon lord, as well as his fiance and sister
>currently looking for a way out of it
He would likely jump at the opportunity to get some manner of patronage of that scale if it meant a way to save his loved ones.
>OP can keep posting best Onee-san as much as they want

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>>51609839
The exact wording was "Law OR Evil"
The acts are lawful and therefore meet the requirement, as there is no provision preventing said lawful acts from being good in the original wording of the arrangement.

>>51609923
>a major act of law and/or evil (with neither chaos nor good)

Sounds like the plot of a shitty anime that drags on way to long.

I'd watch it.

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>>51609980
Well... surely an act such as taking cookies to a town guard with the express purpose of gaining charges for the rod would not be an entirely unselfish thing and could therefore be considered to be at least neutral for charging purposes

>>51609696
SSR Asmodeus in a Santa hat is literally the same Asmodeus artwork, but with a crudely-drawn Santa hat painted on his head. This will still inexplicably be far more popular than the regular artwork.

Suffering.

>>51609589
Brilliant.

>>51609923
>>51609938
>>51609980
>>51610023
I love you guys.

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>>51609980
>>51610023

Sure, but you will need an extremely mercenary attitude in your heart while going about it, enough that your intent will outweigh what (little) good you create.

>>51610027

Speaking of extraneous accessories, the developers of the ruby binding rod are considering padding out the appearance rates with "equipment" that only certain aspects can wield.

Did you want a new aspect? Too bad. You got a lance that only your lance-proficient aspects can use!

>>51609589
>artwork has sprung up in cults and picture books and distributed about towns of these rare devil aspects
>angels have been dispatched to deal with the issue and are bewildered at the amount of vitriol being heaped upon Asmodeus and minions even as the mortals keep spinning the gambling wheels

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>>51610141

The celestials can start their own randomized planar binding scheme, but the Upper Planes have fewer unique, named celestial paragons to hand out aspects of.

>>51610134
>eat these cookies you fucks

Alternatively

>It's... it's not like I made these cookies because I like you, I just want more charges!

Gachas are objectively Lawful Good because they're a trap for people with addictive personalities and low self-control, but they won't kill you like drugs or alcohol.

Gacha saves lives.

>>51610207
I think the good gods would be morally against exploitive business models, and would instead try to get people off of that stuff in some manner.

...

It would be in a god's power to grant charges to a rod, right? Maybe Lawful Good gods would simply just hijack the rods and have it give charges if you do Lawful Good actions as well.

>>51610134
But ultimately intents don't matter, acts do.

You can make a contract with the Town Guard to supply them with cookies for a reasonable price, though.

Bonus points if you win the tender by abusing legal loopholes, and use the profits to eventually monopolize the cookie production and manipulate the town government, using your Guard sponsor status as leverage.

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>>51610296

We call that using a trainer for your account.

Bad god.

>>51610296
>Gods directly getting involved in Devil's affairs
>cold war going hot

>>51610279
I would argue lawful neutral as they don't actively save lives, they just inhibit condemnation a bit.

>>51610296
That seems like something the Chaotic Good gods would do, not the Lawful Good.

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>>51610296
>The divine afterlife is infinite gacha rolls

I'd worship them

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>>51609589
Thinly veiled FEH Thread?
Thinly veiled FEH Thread.

What does qualify as a major act of evil without chaos? Obviously murdering for fun is too chaotic, but what about other nefarious deeds?

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>>51610412
Using a disguise to capture a good guy, like a real paladin.

>>51610412
>Major act of Evil without chaos
A pre-planned and carefully executed jewel heist.
A Long Con siphoning off money from a rich family.
tax evasion

>>51609753
Don't do it. Nobody would whale for say, Arturia, if you had to have Merlin, Gawain, Lancelot, Bedivere and Tristan prior. People whale for their favourites, adding hoops means less odds of whaling.

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>>51610134

Clever, vey clever. However, you have forgotten one key aspect of your plan.

Defence attorneys, by default, follow the law in order to ensure a not guilty verdict for their clients! Anyone in a client-oriented postition, such as a defence attorney, can, and most likely will, cherry-pick truly innocent clients apart from actually guilty clients!

By such logic, a defence attorney could easily complete several collections simply by fulfilling his work and sell complete collections to whomever is interested.

>>51610550
>implying you can sell or trade them

>>51610527
You'd be surprised.

http://www.adweek.com/digital/japan-officially-declares-lucractive-kompu-gacha-practice-illegal-in-social-games/

It was so effective that it had to be made illegal, in real life.

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>>51610387
Considering the OP is gbf, it'd be more likely if it was a thinly veiled granblue thread that either turns into Doraf/Erune/Sexy Potato porn or attempts at turning the games lore into a workable gaming session. I'm okay with both.
I got a 5* Lyn, so I've gotten pretty much everything I want outta FEH. No good Greens beside Anna who I haven't used, so I'm a bit sad on that front

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>>51609589
>thicc monk demon lady
You got my attention.
>flamethrowers in greaves
you got my interest.

>>51610466
Why is stealing a jewel counts as major? Even if it's pretty and valuable, it won't really hurt anyone. The owner can probably live and function without it.

Maybe if I kill the owner and the guards in cold blood to get to the jewel and other valuables, then yeah, sure.

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>>51610550

1. Lawyers strengthen the cosmic force of law. This should not come as a surprise.

2. The aspects cannot be sold or traded.

Gyus, you're overlooking
> A binding rod is actually cheap and easy to craft, even for a mundane mortal. Giving a binding rod to a friend rewards you with a large amount of charges!

1. You and your friend craft buttloads of rods
2. Exchange them endlessly
3. ???
4. PROFIT!

Of course, this plan doesn't work without a friend, so maybe friendship was demons' plan all along.

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>>51610575
That's a bit different than that kind of Gacha. The system as posted earlier would lock Asmodeus out of the gacha until you had all the others and then you could roll them. Kompu gacha gave you the special reward for getting A, B and C. This would unlock them in the Gacha, much like clearing Camelot put Tristan in the gacha.

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>>51610567

Well, they are physical goods. I fail to see anything preventing these rods to be collected en masse, and completed rods from being sold or traded, barring self-destructive means such as limiting them to one per person, or connecting the collections by person, rather than by rod, which would severely cut back on the consumer base shortly after the fact was observed.

>>51610634
At no point did i imply selling or trading individual aspects, but rather selling or trading a completed collection rod for money or unrelated goods. Maybe Steel Samurai figurines?

>>51609816
>Major act of Law
>Performing the societally expected minimum to be a functional citizen. Or just pandering.
You seem to have mistaken trivial for major.

Damn, now I really want to run a game where all the beings from the Lesser Key of Solomon are summons, though only those from Ars Goetia are available at first.
Oddly, it seems that there are not versions of the 72 in anime girl form, which perplexes and disturbs me.

>>51610653
Only one rod can be attuned at a time, and if you attune a new rod, you lose your stored aspects!

Also, to create the rods you have to actually do a minor act of villany.

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>>51610653

Fine Print:
• The party accepting the new binding rod must redeem at least one charge from it.
• The referral reward is generated upon this redemption.
• Any given party can generate only one referral reward.

>>51610689

The binding circle and the aspects collected therein are tied to one's soul. Even if a rod transfers ownership, the binding circle's bond remains the same.

>>51609589
>>51609601
>How much havoc will this insidious scheme wreak?
You're literally evil.

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>>51610734

Which in turn, would severely cut back on the consumer base, maybe even to the point that anything else would be more efficient. When faced with the option of doing lawful or evil acts without good or chaos, many of those who think themselves better people, would much rather do good rather than evil, even in desperation, in order to cling to their notion of benevolence. Thus, you'd only have a small group of active users, and a large group of passive users who do maybe one redeemable action per decade, if that.

>>51610793

On the other hand, you can get yourself an aspect of a beautiful she-devil to serve you as your waifu.

>>51610207
Celestials, in an attempt to limit the flow of essence and worship generated by the planar devices, discovered that, by exploiting regular astrological events, they can temporarily edit the summoning matrix, occasionally summoning some of their most powerful and/or attractive angels alog with the regular demons. It was hoped that their presence in the mortal's binding circle would guilt trip them into stopping.

Unfortunately, the heavens did not anticipate the allure of Limited Edition summons.

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>>51610729
>>51610734
Well ain't that just ridiculously convenient

>>51610597
That's fair. I just have seen FEH everywhere and took a guess.
Nino best green if you can find her, Minerva is also okay

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>>51610928

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>>51610605
they came in multiple flavors

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>>51610944
It seems to me like you're just makin' these up as you go now. Proprietary binding circles? Attunement? What kinda crap are ya trying to pull ah?

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>>51610605
Their race is Doraf. The woman are built for breeding. The men are built like a brick shithouse.

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>>51610387
>Thinly veiled FEH Thread.
>OP's pic is Granblue
u wot m8

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>>51610966

You were only looking at the basic product description, not the EULA.

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GBF seems like a pretty cool setting to play an RPG in. Literally sky-pirates chasing the magical hidden isle of plot, and getting into adventures with a bunch of really cool races and monsters. Dorafs, Humans, Erunes and Harvins probably being the only playable races.

>>51610721
What's a major act of law then.

>>51611777
As long as i can homebrew Erun to have tails.

Cat/foxgirls without tails are just not the same.

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>>51612532
Yuel has a tail. I dunno if there's an in universe reason, but I don't know how I'd feel about tied for best boy here with a tail

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Time for more Gacha bait

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>>51610814

Which is completely up to luck whether or not one is received, something which the average passive user may not have much patience for. The novelty wears off rather quick.

>>51611362

Not to mention, considering mankind's existing track record with EULA contracts, most of the rods would end up as dead weight simply due to incompatible personalities or attempts at gaming the system. It might work if the virtual goods could be redeemed through something other than a lawful/evil act without neither chaos or good, which, inherently, ends up clashing severely with some, something which would not be an issue with conventional currencies. That's not even getting into the fact that less savory entities may attempt to meddle with the rods, up to and including altering the EULA to their own ends.

It says something about the product when the EULA itself may defeat the entire purpose of the item under it's protection.

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>>51614206
Not to mention, tacking on an End User License Agreement without having the end-user actually agree to it first doesn't strike me as particularily "lawful"

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>>51614407
Indeed. While i can understand an impatient sort agreeing to the EULA without reading it in order to access the meat of the product, adding one after the fact, or hiding it in such a way that it can be ignored without even seeing it can be tantamount to fraud.

>>51609640
>bad civilization

Mysterious Heroine X Alter is most baddest civilization

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>>51610899
>first draw of first gacha is 4* Nino
>proceed to steamroll eight chapters without worrying about my wallet
Best daughteru

>>51609589
Did you name them Gacha based off that Japanese vending machine game? That game is pretty evil.

>>51609589
I feel like I fell for that irl, so it seems like a practical idea.

>>51614206
>>51614407
>>51614551
If people in real life waste tons of cash just to get a 2D waifu gacha, they'd spend lots more to get a real loyal devil waifu.

>>51609696
>>51610027
Why would I want the Lord of the Nine in a Santa hat? Isn't that thematically ill-fitting?

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>>51618023
The joke is that it's literally a mobile game gacha system like from Granblue Fantasy (which OPs pic is from) but with premium currency replaced with acts of evil and malice. This is a fantastic deal for devils considering how readily people already ruin their lives for gacha waifus. Some nip died after borrowing money from the Yakuza to whale for Scathatch and couldn't pay it back

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>>51620810
And how is Alter Lily Santa Jeanne d'Arc appropriate? Gachas don't give a damn about that, it has to seel, and for it to sell it has to be cute. All of Baator needs a facelifting for a better PR anyway.

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>>51621278
>Some nip died after borrowing money from the Yakuza to whale for Scathatch and couldn't pay it back

Is this true? Why would you die for worse lancer?

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Would the scheme be improved by turning it into box/package gacha?

>>51621401
Oh? And which one is the better one?

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>>51621401
Not everyone can have good taste anon

>>51621585

FGO is such a shit game even for mobage standards, but they know how to design their gacha baits.

>>51621426
What makes this more insidious than "discount for mass pulls"?

>>51621278
_Which_ Scathach of which mobile game in particular? There's two or three Scathachs.

>>51622965
It encourages whaling to increase the probability. However it is possible and insidious to make it as difficult by setting the SSR rate to 0.0x %, so if the gacha machine is "emptied", the SSR rate will be equivalent to the SRR rate of a normal gacha.

I don't know about minimum % regulations on gacha prizes, but I heard some FF mobile games have lower gacha rates outside of Japan.

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>>51610973

you mean like very single fantasy race ever???

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>>51623178

woops wrong one.

Still the point stands.

>>51623136
So the same principle as "mass summons = better discounts/rates" then, like in a lot of mobages?

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>>51611777
The sky racing event was fantastic.

Is gambling a lawful or chaotic act?

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>>51619391

Seing as the rods were meant for desperate people, do you thínk people like that would have the time for such frivolities? If it was for the common populace, i can understand your point, but...

Not to mention, the only reason people waste cash here is because cash is somewhat readily available. In OP's post, an act of lawful or Evil alignment without chaos or good is required for each gacha, which is a lot less sustainable than using money to buy gachas. Only the most fanatical would be ready to do such actions for a, possibly snowball's chance in hell, to get a devil waifu.

>>51623089
Fate/Grand Order limited servant 5*

>>51623178
>>51623199
Erunes and Harvin prove you wrong there

>>51621278
>Some nip died after borrowing money from the Yakuza to whale for Scathatch and couldn't pay it back
PROOFS

But if that's true it's fucking hilarious.

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>>51621290
THE ONLY STORY DEVELOPMENTS THAT MATTER ARE TAKEUCHI WANTING TO DRAW LITTLE GIRLS
-Nasu, 2016 probably

>>51624165
>Moe fang same color as skin.

Disgusting.

>>51623976
While not a news story https://www.reddit.com/r/grandorder/comments/3wdmq8/someone_in_japan_just_spent_600k_yen_trying_to/
There's this. It's old news, so trying to find it is a pain

>>51610023
>>51610134
Just put laxatives in the cookies, you dolt.

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>>51624197
There was also the person who spent $6000 to roll this in Granblue.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-03-09/-6-065-hunt-for-blonde-avatar-exposes-dark-side-of-japan-gaming

>>51623976
Oh hey, I found an old image of the event.
https://img.fireden.net/vg/image/1456/06/1456062198663.png
Can't find anything concrete saying the Yakuza lent him money, but that's not surprising. Yakuza may have offices, but they're not exactly going to leave too much evidence of wrongdoing around.
>>51624328
Ahh, I remember that. Gacha is truly evil.

>>51623178
>>51623199
See >>51611000

The Draph are just hilarious because even the taller Draph girls are like 4'3" but have huge tits, ultimate shortstacks, and the men are all huge massive Jonathan Joestar-looking motherfuckers.

I've seen exactly one picture of a male and female Draph having sex and the size difference was hilarious since she could barely get her legs around his waist.

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>>51609601
>The baatezu of the Nine Hells, in collaboration with the yugoloths of Gehenna, have concocted a nefarious scheme to sway mortals towards law and evil.

BEHOLD THE ANCIENT EVIL AND MASTERMIND BEHIND THE GACHA

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THE USELESS ARE SACRIFICED FOR CHARGES AND TO FEED THE ETERNAL GACHA

>>51623597
Hmm. You get 5 free rolls on a major arcana, and low rolls on a minor. Actual evil acts will get you a chance to win more. Or possibly it takes 10 charges to roll for a major aspect, and doing an evil act gets you 10 charges.

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>>51624165
I sure do love little girls

>>51609973
>Sounds like the plot of a shitty anime that drags on way to long.
>I'd watch it.

Kek

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>>51626675
Girls(male) really are the best.

>>51626483
>>51626462
Literally exactly what lept to mind when I opened this thread.

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>>51626493

Reasonable. However, the description given in the OP already noted that one roll can be purchased for one charge. And this does nothing to dissuade my initial point, which is that defence attorneys cherry picking innocent clients apart from guilty clients can easily earn charges simply by doing their jobs., as the act of working a 9 to 5 job ensuring a not guilty verdict for truly innocent suspects counts as a lawful neutral act at it's worst.

But i will concede that free rolls may entice some to earn more. It is far more likely for passive players a freemium model seems to naturally gather to simply go about their lives, occasionally checking if they've earned any charges ove rthe course of their ordinary lives, thus cutting into proceeds from the rods themselves, be it monetary gain or moral corruption.

HA

HA HA

MHX ALTER CONFIRMED WORST SERVANT

>>51626483
>junking Arash and REGEND

This artist confirmed for being bad at the game

>>51609589
>>51609601
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>>51610134
>>51610597
Hi, Colette.

>>51628605
? Who?

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>>51626049
>I've seen exactly one picture of a male and female Draph having sex and the size difference was hilarious since she could barely get her legs around his waist.

Mind sharing that with us? The logistics of what is supposedly a likely occurrence among the Draph is something I want to see.

>>51624165
>astolfo
>girl
Anon, I...

>>51628605
Truly, what an illuminating intellect do we have here. Are you next going to say that this is all a thinly veiled attempt to introduce gatcha into 2hu's Moescape and maybe other games?

>>51627460
Anything that reinforces evil as a favourable activity is beneficial, so it's overall still a profitable feature.

The aspects are actually made out of the reconstituted souls of former gacha users.

>>51623178
>every fantasy game is WoW
go way

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>>51629706

Which, in turn, would count as either fraud or outright murder, depending on whether or not said fact was recorded in the EULA, which i presume would render the very existence of the rods anathema to their own intent and alignment.

Not to mention such a product that consumes the user's soul and lifeforce would never pass safety laws.

>>51631208
Oh, no, that only happens after the old users die. The souls just happen to go to devil hell for consorting with devils - that's not even needed as part of the agreement. They're then recycled into cute demonic aspects that are enslaved to lucky gacha winners!

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>>51631760

Which, again, doesn't count as lawful. Even if a person dies of old age, in a setting with magical gacha rods made by devils there is, without a doubt, laws for post-mortem slavery and ego death. Which is probably a guaranteed result of aspectification.

Also, advertising aspects when they're not actual, original aspects and simply recreations counts as false advertisement.

The question is, are the aspects upgradable? They of course, do not have to all be equally upgradable, but there should be some method of boosting your R Succubus to at least a SR Succubus+, if only to have another avenue to coerce the users into doing evil acts.

>>51626049
Seconding >>51629001, I feel like I need to see this

>>51631972
>laws for post-mortem slavery and ego death
Yep, if you're Good, you go to the Good aligned planes and you get mindwiped into a penitent.
If you're bad, you're soul food or playthings for devils and demons.

That's the lawful deal Asmodeus did with the gods.

"You did remember to read the small print, right?"

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>>51633153

Even with that, your device automatically condemns a soul to being used to create aspects by default when it's user expires, according to your description. Regardless of whether or not said soul has been good or evil. While, yes, consorting with demons isn't good. Assuming these aspects can serve as "waifus" they are at least sapient enough to command, and thus can be ordered to work toward and strive for objectively good ends and means. Does ordering what would be considered your property to do good count as an evil act?
Even if the device can differentiate between good and evil, where is the tipping point? At what point does a soul's good actions outweigh his evil actions? What of necessary evils? Paladin's Dilemmas? Good actions twisted to evil purposes by external circumstances?

By default such a system will have innocent victims wrongfully and unlawfully stolen from their intended afterlives on a technicality, which may or may not even exist depending on the viewpoint.

>>51609589
>baatezu
It's the 21st century. You don't have to do this anymore.

>>51630085
The best part is WoW isn't even the worst one about that. The dimorphism can be rather silly at times, but somehow it isn't even near the worst offenders of a trend that isn't as common as people assume it to be.

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>>51629290
The picture has nothing to do with the post. I just like the picture and wanted to share, the post was in reaction to the one I linked.

But here, have an actual girl.

>>51633889
Wow is however one of the most prominent. That counts for something, although perhaps not as much.

>>51633595
That's the established name for them in-setting though.

"devil" is considered to be a racist slur by most LE outsiders.

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>>51629706

This is not what aspects are.

>>51633595
>>51638906

All baatezu are devils, but not all devils are baatezu.

Bezekira (hellcats), for example, are absolutely not baatezu!

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did someone just say GACHA?

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This is now a Gudako Thread. Post your rarest gudagudas

>>51639797
Why do gachas always involve some kind of magical crystals/orbs/eggs?

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>>51635674
>actual girl
>posts a cup pretending to be an oni
Can you do anything right?

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>>51640372
Because Gachas are all about ripping of people. If you want to rip of people you make less obvious how much value they are actually getting for their money.
Thats why you dont pay directly for additional rolls or additional items, no you pay money for a in-game currency which you can then spent in a ingame-shop on tokens that allow you more rolls etc etc.

Its basic jew-ery 101.

>>51612506
Denunciating someone for a not-immoral crime

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>>51641128
Shut your ass up! She's both. Illya a cute. CUTE.

>>51641595
But not like whales give a shit anyway and they're 3/4th of the cash.

>>51642632
Thats the thing, there would be less whales if it was handled differently.

Its the same thing why you have the expensive shit in supermarkets on a level where you can easily see and grab it and the cheap stuff either on the bottom or on to top so its harder to reach or how some supermarkets have those ridiculously huge carts by default as to evoke a feeling in you like you are supposed to fill it up, its all about psychology.

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>>51642788
>how some supermarkets have those ridiculously huge carts by default as to evoke a feeling in you like you are supposed to fill it up, its all about psychology.
Every market here has 2 types of carts: one you carry in hand and one on wheels. You're not supposed to fill anything. What kind of mental functions do you need to just grab whatever? I'm technically insane, but what you said is fucking retarded