EDH/Commander General

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>>51602232
>>51602834
I guess that only black decks can then play Trinisphere.

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>>51609164
>Good/bad flavor text and unpopular EDH opinions.

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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/a-room-for-waiting/

Looking for some criticism / recommendations before I finalise my order.

Who is the most fun Spellslinger Commander?

Wort Raidmother? Jori En? Melek?

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Anyone get anything cool in the mail today? I got a bunch of pain land in an attempt to speed up and unpovertify my decks. Next pay check i start buying shock lands.

Also I am sure no one cares but these are from card kingdom which i bought from for the first time. Pretty average service honestly, everything ariving at the same time wasnt really worth paying the extra money instead of just going with tcg player

>>51609740
This is the worst flavor text ever.

>>51609767
Needs some sort of board clear imo. Toxic deluge or cyclonic rift would be good, possibly both.

>>51609767
also why is there literally zero artifacts in this deck? Is there something that I'm missing with this list that would make it less beneficial to run any artifact at all?

>>51609877
My playgroup has become too direly attached to artifacts, me being no small contributor, so I'm making an artifactless deck.

It's a petty and arbitrary reason, admittedly, but enough of one to spend like 2o bucks, since it'll probably end in every havin' a laff.

>>51609810
Got some cards for my tribal humans in the mail yesterday. Nothing incredible but I did manage to score a mis-cut Selfless Squire from C16 though which was kind of neat. What kind of decks are do you have where you need this many pain lands?

Also TCG Player is simply the superior online cardshop. I don't even bother asking my LGS if they have the cards I need anymore, tcg player is just easier.

>>51609920
Yea I just saw Energy Flux on the list. Bane of Progress would be really good if you're looking to hate on artifacts.

>>51609925
I have a bunch of precons that have shit mana base such as the 4 color ones. The rest of what I don't use there are going into new decks in the future and one is going into my bruna deck.

What's a fun Johnny mono-green commander? With a small side helping of Timmy

I want to build a BIG BLACK deck, but I can't decide between kokusho reaninator and Maga big black mana. Do any of you have any experience with these decks.

>>51610003
I love big black ...... decks

>>51610003
Kokusho doesn't hit as hard usually, but he can be reanimated and be useful and he hits all opponents. Maga is cool, but not as good as Kokusho.
Most monoblack decks are mostly the same decks with different commanders aside from few exceptions, so you can get away with little to no changes if you ever wish to change commanders. You can keep other in the 99 other times if you wish, although Maga is way less useful there than Kokusho.

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>>51609844
Second... worst flavor text ever.

>>51609164
>Unpopular EDH opinions

Sheldon is running the format fine.
Nothing needs to be unbanned.
They should ban more cards for price justification.
Ring and Crypt are catalysts, not the problem.
EDH was better when Wizards wasn't tailoring cards specifically for the format. They have no sense subtlty when it comes to balance.

Come at me, shitlords.

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BAN WHEN?

>>51609740
>the tail
Why am I noticing this just now? And why does the artist thinks that gorilla's tails are like lemur ones?

>>51610298
And the claws are a-ok? Stop being selectively autistic. Go normie or go bust.

>>51610320
>he has claws as well
Jesus someone get Wizards a zoologist

>>51610174
Cant argue when you are right

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>mfw traded away paradox engine for a playset of artifact lands nim deathmantle

Now I don't have to worry about what to do with that shit card

Pic related is bad flavor text imo

>Playing Titania vs. Mogis, Selvala 1.0, and Phage
>Keep getting boardwiped but it doesn't even matter
>Have every basic land out of my deck
>Make Marit Lage out of Dark Depths + Thespian's Stage
>Cast Rishkar's Expertise, draw 20 cards
>Free cast a Living Plane
>Float all my mana, cast Ezuri's Predation, cast Cursed Totem, cast Null Rod
>All my opponents' lands are dead, lands can't tap for mana, artifacts don't work

Felt good mang.

>>51610285

7 mana.

If he's playing blue with 7 mana spare, his deck isn't working because by now he should of already combo'd.

>>51610425
>every deck with blue in it only does combo

Wew lad, i only run decks with blue in them specifically for cyclonic rift. Most of them barely have a blue presence outside of that card and some card draw stuff like rystic study

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Thread needs some more good flavor text.

>>51610174
>Ring and Crypt are catalysts, not the problem.
It's a problem when even the most casual players accidentally get starting hands that ramp up to 5 on turn 2 from nothing but 2 lands, a CMC2 mana rock and the sol ring they got from their precon.

>>51610511
>They should ban more cards for price justification.
>Ring and Crypt are catalysts, not the problem.

they should probably ban a few of the most ez-mode combo wincons and a few tutors to go along with it. leave mike and trike alone because it's 12 mana but maybe perhaps ban doomsday and food chain?? maybe also ban demonic tutor, vampiric tutor and entomb??????

>>51610582
>Ban only the black tutors

You guys aren't even trying to be subtle with your racism anymore.

>>51610621
Anon what the fuck is this?

>>51610094
Oooh maybe. I see a lot of Hydras on EDHrec which is a little too much Timmy for my tastes

>>51610640

Our game is so fun, I just don't want it to be over.

>>51610425
Yes, Cyclonic Rift is trash in cEDH "if you don't reliably win before turn 5 you're a shitter" decks, but the banlist is made for 75% metas where it's stupidly strong for practically every deck that can run it.

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>>51610640
Every land, artifact and creature is a 1/1 without abilities that can't attack. Casting a spell gives you more of those. The Shared Fate is win-more though.

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>>51610102
Holy shit that's egregious, I had to look it up to see if it was actually real.

I wish we could have cool and original flavor text like pic related again, these days most of them are either "jacetice quip", or an encyclopedia entey.

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>>51610782
So just a shit nonsensical combo that is disrupted easily? Good to know

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>>51610489
Amen

>>51610458

Serious blue exists for combo.

Counterspells etc.

>>51610782

You need the shared fate to stop anyone from milling out

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>>51610489

>>51610978
That is just objectively untrue anon

>>51610847
coming up with good flavor texts is pretty hard

i'm looking over some special playing cards i made for homebrew tabletop RPG and i think maybe 4-5 out of 50 of them are respectable and not cringey

>>51611057
I know it's hard, but that collar one is inexcusable, pretty much anyone could do a better job.

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Is Daxos of Meletis any good/fun?

>>51611077
oh yeah that shouldn't have survived the "get coffee and come back, does it look stupid?" test

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>>51611081
Jesus my fucking sides.

>>51609788
Mizzix, obviously. Jori En and Melek are great support for her.

>>51609740
>>51610298
>>51610320
>>51610332
That's not an ape. Apes are defined as seperate from monkeys largely on the basis of whether or not they have a tale. Also the first time I saw that card posted in a flavor text thread I thought it was fake. Is it supposed to be a dick joke? Was some intern in charge of flavor text for it and had to come up with something last minute while super high? Wtf is happening with this card?

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>>51610489
This is one of my favorites. Pretty much summarizes my philosophy when it comes to magic.

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>>51611141
It's just a silly flavor text about a big monkey who wants a big banana. Nothing strange here. You're reading into it too much.

>>51610998
how does that work? Is it because they skip their draw step?

>>51611081
The fuck? What is that a picture of?

Anyways, yes and no. Daxo of Meletis with a healthy spattering of ramp and control is fucking awful to play against. That being said Brago/GAAIV are generally better choices, and Lazav does the whole "steal your opponent's things" schtick a little better.

That being said, it totally torches decks with strong/above curve creatures. The built in skulk-type ability is fuck awful to deal with if you haven't built a deck specifically to deal with it, and the only thing you have to worry about are various 2 or 3 drop 2/3 commanders shutting your whole deck down.

I bet voltron would be neat with him, but finding all the mana is going to be tough.

>>51611141
>Apes are defined as seperate from monkeys largely on the basis of whether or not they have a tale
Well clearly this one has a story.

>>51611217
Shared Fate replaces your draw step with a different effect. You need to draw a card on an empty library to end the game, and if you can't draw cards, then you can't lose to decking.

>>51611248
oh fuck me. You knew what I meant. I'm tired.

>>51611217

You only lose if you go to draw and there are no cards in your library. Exiling off of someone else's deck won't do it, even if their library is empty.

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It's that time /edh/. Describe your style as a Magic player. I'll start things off:

>the new Doom arcade mode meets "that guy" who writes IKEA manuals

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>>51609164
Commander with the worst flavor text coming through

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>>51611248
>tfw you'll never take part in a homebrew RPG where the players live in a world where apes rule the earth
>"monkey" is a derogatory term for second class citizens who are not considered true apes
>the only way to graduate to an ape is to have something exciting happen to you and live to tell a tale, ie you can only be an ape if you have a tale to tell

>>51609164
>>51609788
Mizzix. Melek the is clunky but nice in the 99 as support. Sometimes you don't want to cast him so he sits in your hand though. Jori En actually pulls some weight when you aren't drawing your draw spells.

>>51610003
Chainer or Volrath

>>51610364
God, that would be fine, GOOD even, if it left out the last part. Fucking hell.

>>51611366
>"Hey guys, can you help me decide between A and B?"
>"Yeah, choose C or D."
Anon, are you autistic?

>>51609788
Wort, without a single doubt.

>>51611423
Fine, enjoy your pleb-tier deck.

>>51611491
I'm not even that guy. Also, if you think Kokusho is pleb-tier then you're retarded, Kokusho can be competitive as fuck.

I'm going to rewrite all these flavourtexts because I'm bored, and some of this shit is terrible.

>>51609740
>Kang Kong always disliked West Coast Rap. Sometimes you just need to represent.

>>51610102
>History clings to an icon's function, rather than it's form. None the less, a primal sense of peace comes with smashing symbols of oppression.

>>51610364
>As the Mountain quaked and groaned under the tectonic strain, the Forest was no match for the pyroclastic flow.
Alternatively:
>Sifting through the cinders of the dead Mountain revealed the fire that ravaged the province stared with a single spark.

>>51611323
>A triumvirate of telepathic torment.

>>51610697
From what I've heard The best thing to do with her, is have cards like phyrexian soul gorger, mutagenic growth and umbral mantle to produce infinite mana as early as possible, then cast an infinite damage hurricane or an infinite power hydra. I recently pulled a foil one so I'm currently trying to build her myself now.

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Looking for more stuff like Reconnaissance to help Alesha swing with impunity.

>>51611081
my man radical larry

>>51611573
dolmen gate is like a worse renaissance, and fanatical devotion can work in tandem with her trigger

>>51611323
That one isn't that bad, it's fine really.

I do wish we got more legendary creatures with flavor text though.

>>51611573
Iroas, it's basically another Dolmen Gate (as mentioned) except with more upsides.

Otherwise just suit her up with equipment. Deathtouch makes her hard to block.

>>51611558
are you implying that "I want a banana this big" is bad

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>>51611573
>running a tranny as your commander

>>51611558
all of these rewrites are shit
>>51611573
basilisk collar

>>51611634
Yes anon. Banana's don't come that large, and if he had a banana that large, he would need some alternative source of protein to sustain his muscle mass.

>>51611656
Go on anon, show me your moves, but for some reason, literacy doesn't seem to be your strong suit.

>>51610998
>>51611217
>>51611251
Hence, 'win more'.

>>51611654
I asked some lore people about this. Apparently it's just one or two occasions in the book where she gets called "boy" as an insult. Some weirdos took that and decided that she must be a transsexual.

>>51611764
>the book
No, you're stupid.

>"Anger twisted the orc's face and he took another step toward her. "You tell me this? A human boy who thinks he's a woman?""
Plus wotc confirmed she is trans

Don't be stupid. It's not even in a book.

>>51611740

A card central to the function of the combo is not a win more, anon.

>>51611764
>>51611791
But why do people care? It has almost nothing to do with anything.

>>51609164
>unpopular EDH opinions

99-card decks is a good idea in theory, but actually shuffling and handling such deck (especially when double-sleeved) is impractical and cumbersome in practice.

Another atrocious design flaw of the format is tracking commander damage. That's up to 16 "life totals" in a four-player game one has to potentially keep track of. Along with tracking 40-point life totals and the amount of times each commander was cast in a game.

Multiplayer Magic is bullshit because if one player loses the game early, he has to watch the rest of the game for (up to) several hours.

Command Tower was a mistake.

>>51611764
You're ill-informed.

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/magic-story/truth-names-2015-01-28

>>51611812
>why do people care?
Because it's forcing an agenda. Because it's gross. Because trannies are mentally ill and shouldn't be normalized or glorified.

>>51611812
Because some people care about the lore? Most of it is shit of course but people like it.

>>51611812

Apparently there are ppl who care for shitty lore. Or lore in general. I never understood that either, mtg stories are just lame.

>>51611654
>bitchy little girl reaction gif
How appropriate

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>>51611812
Because they hate "forced diversity" even if they needed to go out of their way to even learn that Alesha is trans.

>>51611825
Isn't Magic filled with mentally ill characters? Urza was actually insane, yet they still portrayed him as a hero. Just sounds like you don't like trannies. I don't like dealing with little faggots who autistically screech over someone playing a commander, but here we are. We deal with it like adults.

>>51611866
>even if they needed to go out of their way to even learn that Alesha is trans.
I learned it just by being in these threads. Wouldn't call that going out of my way.

>>51611866
>Isn't Magic filled with mentally ill characters? Urza was actually insane, yet they still portrayed him as a hero. Just sounds like you don't like trannies
Other mental illnesses aren't being forced down our throats by liberal society.

>>51610782
Shared fate means that the game will never end because no one gets to draw cards. Still all damaging enchantments need to die as well before it

>>51610511
I don't know what metas you play in but when that happens the game normally turns into a match of Archenemy until that player's advantage is equalized to the rest of the board. Unless you can combo on the spot all the ramp in the world doesn't help in a 3+ vs 1 scenario.

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>>51611825
>Because it's forcing an agenda. Because it's gross. Because trannies are mentally ill and shouldn't be normalized or glorified.

>>51611866
>Isn't Magic filled with mentally ill characters?
That's different, since Alesha's story is clearly operating on the twisted lie that people can be "born the wrong gender" and they can live happily if they play dress up. And don' get me started on the "everyone was gay in Greece" C16 faggot couple. I want to play cards and have fun, not be fed politics.

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>>51611886
Because you've already been normalized to them. Give it a year, you'll grow up.

>>51611825
>Because it's forcing an agenda. Because it's gross. Because trannies are mentally ill and shouldn't be normalized or glorified.
Yes, but a character anecdotallybneing a tranny is the pandering equivalent of blackxplotiation movies. Only a complete idiot would think it's nuanced, interesting, or at all relevant.

>>51611826
>>51611832
See, I care about the lore when it's worth caring about, but since they clearly don't respect their audience, why are you investing time in reading it? I thought "beefslab gids" and chandra's magical cat-attracting lap were enough of a slap in the face for most people to go "absolutely not".

>>51611866
>Because they hate "forced diversity" even if they needed to go out of their way to even learn that Alesha is trans.
I also hate forced diversity, but much like Narset being a sperg, it was a one-block sort of relevant thing that is completely divorced from the story at this point, like Arlin Kord being gay. You think in 5 years anyone will know who the fuck Arlin Kord is?

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>>51611825
>>51611654
>>51611886
Thank god we have /pol/ as the moral guardians of human decency

>>51610425
>Card is shit when you should be comboing before you can cast it.
Why do you play EDH?

>>51611931
The "everyone was a fag/pederast" thing is historically accurate though. So much that the Romans inherited it from them, just like their gods.

>>51611944
>implying you need to be pol to find trannies disgusting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyHTELFSO2Q

I feel like I need to take a shower

>>51611822
>asks for unpopular opinions about EDH
>says everything that makes the format unique is terrible

golly gee mister hit the nail right on the head

>>51611931
>not be fed politics
People who rage at cardboard piefces are normally the ones starting the arguments trying to feed politics into the thing. Everyone else is just "Alesha has a dick, but he calls himself a girl. Eh, okay."

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>>51611654
>>51611825
>>51611886
>>51611931
Sorry that magic isn't a safe space anymore. Maybe try yugioh?

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>>51611931
>Angry about gay kings
>a card that was a reference to Guardians of Meletis
>A card representing an actual portion of the actual population is now forcing something down your throat

as I said. Keep [autistic screeching]. One day I'm sure it'll all work out.

>>51611987
Finding trannies gross is different from spouting the regurgitated polspeak of "trannies are mentally ill and we're being force-fed an agenda by libral society."

>>51612036
trannies do have much higher rates of mental illness than the general population even if we're assuming that being a tranny isn't a mental illness in itself

>>51611939
>>51612025
>Timmy and Johnny
>No Spike
>No Vorthos
>No Melvin

>>51611931
>since Alesha's story is clearly operating on the twisted lie that people can be "born the wrong gender" and they can live happily if they play dress up.
That's a lot of purple rhetoric friend. It's almost like you're trying to incite a stupid argument.

None the less, why do you care? People can play dress up all they want, doesn't mean you have to take them at all seriously if they're jerks about it, and if they aren't jerks about it, why are you being upset at reasonable people?

>>51611964
There sure as hell weren't any interracial ruling same-sex couples. Men were still expected to marry women. K&T is clearly pandering to the fags and fangirls.

>>51611989
Don't get me started on the unnecessarily high starting life total.

>>51611997
>WotC brings politics into a card game
>I point it out
>I get shat on for bringing politics into a card game
That's not how it works, anon.

>>51612062
It's just a characteristic of the card you don't like. It's like if I raged endlessly every time someone pointed out Brain Maggot because I find the card disgusting. Ignore, move on, keep playing.

>>51612062
>Printing cards with types of people that exist is bringing politics into the game
There's a whole wide world out there, Archie Bunker. You're the same type of person who got all bent out of shape when them negros started showing up in tv and movies. Sorry the world is moving on without you.

>>51612062
>>WotC brings politics into a card game
>>I point it out
>>I get shat on for bringing politics into a card game
That's exactly how it works. If you stop bringing up politics, people won't tell you to stop bringing up politics. What kind of tard are you if you think people aren't immediately aware that it's a hamfisted attempt at pandering? I find people who insist on "educating" people about political subtext aren't very bright, and are mortified that sometimes political subtext is a thing stupid people think is relevant.

>Waaah Plato is promoting an authoritarian governement predicated on lying to people, we shouldn't believe anything he says.

>>51612062
Maybe EDH just isn't the format for you. No need to senselessly bitch about it, you've got like a ton of competitive formats you can play.

>>51611799
People will scoop long before you got the full lock. The ride in fact did end.

>>51612062
fuck off nigger

>>51611989
He is right about commander damage though. It sounds good in theory, because it allows decks with cheap and combat-heavy commanders to be played. But having to track all the different life and damage counts is just tiresome. People use different kinds of dices or write their lifes down and if the board state is already complex, commander damage just turns it into a confusing mess.

>>51612204
Then just write it down. It's not really that hard. I've always used a pad of paper for lifetotals, and making a little box for each commander as it deals damage to me has never been confusing.

>>51612204
I just suggest buying a Boogie Board. They're like $20 on Amazon. Makes you not rip through notebooks or have to manage all these dice, also lets you keep notes throughout the game, manage mana, etc.

Also I think that validating an entire, unique archetype outweighs the minor inconvenience of using a couple more dice.

>>51612204
Everyone keeps track of their own commander damage. That's not hard to do, even in a long game. Do you guys have Alzheimers or something?

>>51612204
>it's hard to keep track of 4 extra dice
Are you dense? My ghave deck can use hundreds of dice. Technically, I need more, but most of the time I combo off at that point.

>>51612053
Breaking down mental illness by demographics is scientifically dubious at best. We don't know of any biological causes of illness other than some mental illnesses can make progeny have a predisposition to that illness. It's correlative at best to say being a tranny makes you more likely to be mentally ill like we can say being fat makes you more likely to have heart disease.

>>51612089
I have nothing against the card itself. It's the corporate decision of WotC to include these characters in their stories I have an issue with. I wasn't even the one who originally brought up the tranny issue in this thread.

>>51612148
>Maybe EDH just isn't the format for you
I just want to play cards with my friends at the kitchen table, and nobody is playing 60-card casual nowadays.

>>51612266
And mental illness isn't a black-or-white definition of a negative health concern, like heart disease. It's a gradient of psychological problems relative to pseudo-science and abstracted normalization. You can be mentally ill, but still a productive, well integrated member of society.

>>51612310
>pseudoscience

Hasn't it been made extraordinarily clear that we don't want /pol/ here?

>>51612379
>Hasn't it been made extraordinarily clear that we don't want /pol/ here?
Saying that Psychology is a pseudo-science isn't /pol/, it's /sci/
Also it's true

>>51612379
>completely missing the point
There's a reason Psychology is a liberal arts program.

Anyways, I was agreeing with you. Anything using "mental illness" as a part of an argument is too vague to possibly mean anything. Check yourself before you wreck yourself.

>>51612226
I need to know if player A can kill player B next round with commander damage and if I could threaten player C. Player B has five different dices in three different colors lying there and Player C wrote four different numbers in bad handwriting on his sheet of paper across the table.
It works and I can ask people what everything stands for. It's just not fun.

>>51612278
>I have nothing against the card itself. It's the corporate decision of WotC to include these characters in their stories I have an issue with.

This shit, they just seem like desperate attempts to try and rangle in the LGBT community and add them to the player base. They aren't well written, and I don't know any gay or trans people that like their inclusion BECAUSE of how they did it.

The only people it made happy are SJWs that don't actually play the game. Maybe if they went back to writing halfway decent novels like urzas saga they could create actual trans/gay characters instead of token attention grabbers.

>>51610003
Dunno how viable it will be, but my buddy and me have been toying around with a heavy aggro Yahenni deck centered around vampires and artifacts with some voltron.

Biggest issue is finding the balance between token production and large creatures so far. Coat of arms, endless ranks of undead and Temporal Extortion are mainstays.

>>51609164
>Unpopular opinions.

Ban/Fix Derevi. Seriously kill that shit with fire because it's breaks one of the basic tenets of EDH and everyone I know that plays it throws in static orb, meekstone, and winter orb turning every game into a grind fest.

>Comes to check in on EDHG.
>Sperging going on about Muh disgusting trannies in mtg, Muh politics!
>Bye, EDHG!

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>>51612620
>tfw you just wanna discuss EDH and get cool deck ideas.

>>51612620
>being this assblasted

Fag

>>51612620
>One anon is trying to discuss politics
>everyone else is saying "Fuck off, no one cares."

>>51612634
What deck ideas do you have? What are you building?

>>51612634
>doesnt want to shitpost about magic and call maro a jewcuck
whats the point of comming here then?

>>51611573
Behind the Scenes is pretty nice. Not a guaranteed unblockable, but good enough to make most of your creatures and alesha herself unblockable against anything that would otherwise kill her.

Plus, once you have too much mana you can pump your army with it too.

>>51612660
I'm just looking for something new to build, like I wanna build Tasigur but I really have no idea how I want to build it. Like just regular control, reanimator, etc.

>>51612662
I mean I do but talking about tranny mental illness is not exactly what I was expecting.

>>51611944
Look, I'm all for /pol/ getting the fuck out and never coming back, but not everything that you disagree with is /pol/.
There were comments like that long before /pol/ was ever a thing. If you just find the comments tactless or without merit, just say that.

>>51612695
Tasigur wheels is pretty unexpected. Get value cards to reanimate, dumb shit like craterhoof,seedborn muse, and leovald, and just steal games. Also you cant beat the ramp from burgeoning, wheels and splendid reclamation in the same deck.

>>51612695
I have the same problem with a UG/x deck. I have mimeoplasm, mormir vig, kruphix and derevi that all need decks, complete with enough tech for exactly one of them, but I can't for the life of me decide.

As for tasigur, just run a big stompy reanimator list with self-mill and delve? I mean, that's the obvious way to build it, but it'll be pretty fun and easy to assemble.

What I would do? Well, I'd make a really aggressive aggro list and fish big fatties back from the yard. One part bounce, two parts beatdown, one part reanimator, I bet it could be fun. I've also been theory-crafting a really nasty discard deck, and I bet BUG would be good at dealing with hand-stax effects like necrogen mists and maybe a little memory jar/mill.

>>51612737
gotta give some credit to /new/

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Will og emrakul EVER be legal as commander again?

I agree she should be banned in 99, but I think she's fair at the head of a colorless deck

I made a Varolz, the Scars-Striped deck that I've wanted to do for a while since I got a foil one and I love trolls. Is there anything I can improve or should I just scrap it and make a Meren deck? The list:

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/04-02-17-varolz-the-scar-striped/

>>51612781
A-anon I think you have that backwards.

IF she's going to be unbanned, she'll be unbanned in the 99. As a commander? It would be "get 15 mana and instantly win over and over again" in the easiest "colour" to ramp in.

>>51612800
>should I just scrap it and make a Meren deck?
God no, there's enough of those out there.

Seems like all the pieces are there. I'm not a huge fan of infect, myself, but it's hard to argue with in this deck. How's it run?

>>51612828
>easiest
Green remains king of ramp.

>>51612916
As an avid Omnath player, I've seen mono black do some things that made me green with envy. It comes naturally to green, but you'd be surprised what other colors can get up to when they put their mind to it.

>>51612961
Black can go crazy but it requires a lot of setup and it's a lot more fragile. One game I did Damnable Pact for X=40, then next turn cast Yawg's Will and did it again. But it's pretty easy to disrupt with removal on their mana doublers and land destruction for Cabal Coffers.

Green often gets a much faster start and can ramp more lands which often keeps it relevant in multiple ways. Against MLD it has mana dorks, against boardwipes it has lands.

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>>51612800
>plays Brawn
>doesn't play Filth

>>51612911
I haven't gotten to play it in an actual multiplayer setting yet. I only have roughly half the list including most of the expensive cards but its going to take at least $150 to finish. I wanted to see if I wasn't just wasting my money before investing in it

>>51612800
>"I love the Gruul colors and theme"
aaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

>>51612800
I'd replace Murder with Hero's Downfall, as it's strictly better. You might like Nyx Weaver, as well.

Also
>Troll Deck
>Yard Matters theme
>No GGT
Your ancestors are weeping, anon. Dredge in general would be a good idea, but you should have that at the very least.

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>>51612800

>That
>Gruul

>>51613012
I had no idea that was even a card, is it worth including?
>>51613035
Was that wrong to say, now that I think about it it does sound kind of redundant. It was really late when I wrote it

>>51613001
Fair enough.

>>51613062
Shit man, Varolz is GOLGARI, not Gruul. Filth is nice but it's the best if you have Urborg, which you don't. There's a SOul's something card that basically doubles the power of a creature with +/+1 counters you might like that too there.

>>51613062
Gruul is the Red/Green colour combination. Colgate is the Green/Black one

>>51612781
Probably not. It was banned for a good reason and like her lore, she warps reality (meta) by just existing.

Btw, I love that Stoutarm. Walmart/Target promo?

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>>51613093
>Colgate

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>>51612800
I'd run this if I were you

>>51613059
Holy cow I just realized my mistake and it has been changed. Forgive me it was late.
>>51613058
I'll change the murder. I have a grave troll but not really sure how to fit it in, maybe Mortivore? I am also considering mossbridge troll

>>51613035
>>51613059
>>51613062
Gruul is the GR guild, fair newfriend. Golgari is the GB guild you're looking for.

To be fair, without knowing too much about the Ravnica storyline, I feel like the Golgari would at least appreciate the Gruul. They make a lot of garbage and bodies.

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>>51613093
>Colgate

>>51613108
The stoutarm I got from a friend,and the foil is breathtaking, that picture doesn't do it justice

>>51613093
>Colgate
I don't have a macro image for this.

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>>51613118
Oh that's pretty spicy.

>>51613093
>Colgate
Thread saved

How many ETB-tapped lands do you run? I currently run three in my 3-color deck and I feel like it's too much.

The tri-land is so on-theme though...

>>51613118
I've been thinking about Riftsweeper as well, maybe take out Fyndhorn Elves because they don't really do much and I have ramp already

>>51613208
Clearly sserg*gress. I'd run exactly that art as my commander.

>>51613134
Yeah, Mortivore could be a good swap. I'm not super sold on Skullbriar, but I see the appeal.

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>>51613093
>colgate

>>51613208

Ezuri, - , iruzE

Floating drone with 2 arms and 2 evolved brains

>>51613208
>SSergogress's art
Fucking Christ, Wizards, children play this game.

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>>51613093
Y...You doing alright?

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Our favourite Colgate commanders

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>>51613300

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>All these fucking Colgate decks
Get on my fucking level, plebs

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what does /edh/ think of these? I won't post the link to the amazon seller but they have hundreds of expensive cards available for 9 bucks. They're pretty blatant copyright infringement and the art on some of them is crap but is this something you'd turn your nose on at the table or would it be cool with you?

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>>51613093
>colgate

>>51613255
What could I replace Skullbriar with? I already have enough scavenge guys it looks like so maybe just a value green or black creature

>>51613212
Your shards Tri-Land is always a good call. Doubly so if it's on theme. I don't think I've ever been screwed by one.

>>51613300

My vote goes for VarlozzloraV

More teeth

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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/hua-tuo-topdeck/
I'd appreciate some help with this. My playgroup is building Portle: 3 kingdoms legends, and I got stuck with huo tuo. I want to make him work, but I need help cutting to make room for more lands. Also for any better sac-outlets/etb effects/top-deck manipulation. Also, I think I might need more ramp.

>>51613364
Stinkweed Imp, maybe? Dredge, evasion, reasonably cheap?

Honestly, my recommendation at this point is to play it as is a few times and see what does and doesn't work. Skullbriar is by no means bad.

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>>51611822
>Command Tower was a mistake
Mind explaining yourself?

Why is colorless good at ramp according to you guys? Wouldn't it be the worst ramp color, since every other color has the exact same package as colorless but with more shit?

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How can we make monowhite EDH viable?

>>51613434
It's an auto-include in any deck that is two or more colors. In effect, you're not building a 99-card EDH deck, but 98 + Command Tower. It's retarded not to run it.

>>51611822
Literally just use a piece of paper w/a pen to keep your life total and the commander damage of your enemies.

Simple as fuck, all you need is a sheet of paper and a pen.

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>>51613453
You need to only worry about producing colorless, which it does very efficiently

>>51612961
Stuff like Coffers gives black some great ramp too, yeah. Black and green together are a good combo for a reason.

>>51613475
Print some more well of lost dream like effects and some cheap removal cards that gives you a free draw.

>>51613476
So why does that make it a mistake? That just makes it a staple, and it's not like those don't exist in all forms of Magic, Commander or otherwise.

>>51609810
if you haven't already, get the battle lands from battle for zendikar, those are handy with fetches, tapped or otherwise, farseeks and the like

>>51613413
Ok, I'll keep it as is and just try the deck out. I'll go ahead and get what else I need ordered

>>51613652
It takes away the creativity of deckbuilding by essentially locking in one of our card choices.

This is beyond staple. Solemn Simulacrum is a staple, yet many decks don't run it.

Also, multicolor manabases are supposed to be hard.

>>51613697
They really aren't hard in eternal or modern formats, as long as your not going budget.

>>51613476
So are basic lands of your color identity, asswipe, do those count against creativity slots?

>>51613697
It's literally one card. You have 98 other slots to fulfill that should make your deck creative enough for your tastes. I'm still not seeing the problem.

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>playing in an anti-colgate meta
feelsplaqueman.jpg

>>51613697
I get what you're saying, but I would have to disagree on it taking up a creativity spot. It's a mana producing land, it's replacing a basic land slot. You're not losing any creativity there.

I want to build Nin, but I've never built Izzet before. What kinds of things should I include? I just want to draw 10 million cards and rain hellfire on people.

>>51613697
>multicolor manabases are supposed to be hard.
Oh please. This hasn't been true for over a decade. When there's not just one, not just two, but threw cycles of 2+ color lands that can be fetched for (two of which are enemy color as well), it's abundantly clear that WOTC wants multiple colored decks to be easy. Not as easy as monocolor, sure, but not as hard as you're suggesting.

>>51613358
Looks like trash. Just get a realistic looking proxy. I hate looking across the table and not knowing what cards are on the table.

That's just me, though. I just like cards being recognizable. I could care less if you proxy cards, I just want to recognize them.

>>51613882
The ultimate encapsulation of what you want is Omniscience and Enter the Infinite. If you don't want to play that way though, spells like Blue Sun's Zenith, Invoke the Firemind and Stroke of Genius come to mind. If you want to get screwy with it, toss in any number of Wheel of Furtune-type effects.

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While we're at it, how many basic lands do you run?

Ruination, Blood Moon and Back to Basics would like to know.

>>51614016
Fortune*

>>51613833
Is this the birth of a le new epic meme?

>>51614043
As much as I can, I'm a cheap fucker.

>>51613212
Unless your average CMC is incredibly low, I'd much rather lose tempo than be colorscrewed, especially in 3c and up. I think scrylands, bouncelands and trilands are good enough to always enter tapped, and checklands and tangolands for conditional untap.

>>51613300
beqirtötriped is THICC

>>51612442
I'm not missing the point because I wasn't addressing the point. I was calling out polspeak.

>>51612417
There's a daily thread on /pol/ literally asking if Psychology is a pseudoscience every day. It's a /pol/ meme. Also calling something liberal arts because you don't like it doesn't make it liberal arts. Same line of thought applies to the term pseudoscience.

>>51614136
DON'T
REVIVE
THE
DISCUSSION
pls

>>51614118
He's just fat, really.

>>51614099
This. Trilands and Karoos are budget codsends too. And there's always painlands and checklands.

>>51613476
>Forests are an auto-include in green decks.

It's the fucking mana base. Who gives a shit?

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>>51614136
Anon, it's been like two hours. Not all of us lurk on /pol/ every day finding things to be mad about and I don't want to engage you in a stupid argument, despite the inevitable screeching in response to this point.

>>51614160
Pls do not bully the troll. Eat one too many dreadnoughts and people start calling you fat, He can't help it

>>51614195
Answering on break at work. Can't hit F5 every 30 seconds all day. Don't go to /pol/ and don't care what's on there. I'm just telling you what's a meme born from there so polspeak can be called out and excoriated accordingly. As AB pointed out there, discussion has thankfully moved on.

>>51614253
>at work I post on /tg/ about /pol/ memes and magic cards
Priorities man. You'll never afford a modestly priced used compact sedan that way.

>>51609420
His argument was that the rules text of extort, not the reminder text, actually had hybrid symbols in it.

Look it up. Right now extort u/r is impossible without changing the rules, because extort is only w/b.

So arguably extort shouldn't be allowed in mono black or mono white.

>>51614283
>at work I post on /tg/ about /pol/ memes and magic cards
Wait I though we all did that, hence the thread moving during working hours?

>>51614209
Sorry didn't meant to hurt. He doesn't have waist so you can't call him thicc anyway.

>>51613526
Black ramp gets worse the more colors you're running though.

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THE GREATEST THIEVES IN THE MULTIVERSE

>>51614283
Unless you're a neet it's assumed most of us are at work.

>>51613476
It's an auto include in anything that isn't mono colored. No reason to run it over a Mountain in a mono red deck.

>>51614328
There are two different timezones my man. Also, I used to work nights, and I have Tuesday/Wednesday off.

>>51614360
What kind of job do you have where you can sit on 4chan all day and not get fired by myself when I'm inevitably pissed that you aren't doing work?

>>51613697
Yeah, ban command tower so that noobs have to spend 10 bucks on a mana confluence instead for their multicolor deck.

Command tower is good for the format, it makes everything more budget friendly. And it's not like there's much originality in replacements for command tower, you'd just run city of brass or mana confluence instead, or maybe a triland.

>>51613453
The thing with colorless ramp vs. any colored ramp is that colorless ramp consists entirely of mana rocks that can be immediately used to cast more mana rocks. If you've got a deck loaded with them, you can chain massive amounts of mana together in a couple turns easily. My OG Kozilek deck can get to 10 mana to cast him by turn 5 on a completely average hand. On a good hand, it's not uncommon for him to be on the board attacking on turn 3.

Critical mass of mana rocks is vulnerable, but so damn powerful I can usually outrace the overloaded Vandalblasts.

>>51614358

yeah, definitely RU11UR takes this one. He has a third eye, a SECOND third eye, and one of the most important aspects of being a thief, functional hands

>>51614358
Do Elesh Norn! Do Elesh Norn!

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Is this a good boardwipe + advantage in rampandtokens.dec? All those wimpy blue mages with their instants and sorceries will end up with nothing in comparison.

>>51614358
Keep 'em coming anon, I'm laughing my bag off.

>>51613476
Command tower isn't an auto include because all it does is fix Mana.

>>51614481
>9 Mana

Nope.

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What do you want, double handjob, or siamese twins

>>51614552
Woah, there's a spooky ghost face in the particle effects on the double handjob one.

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Obsessed with perfection

The praetors seem made for this shit, honestly

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>>51614548
>9 Mana
>A lot
Puny mortal

>>51614597
>ruguA Augur
>two predators kissing

>>51613175
I have that same promo, but I have a original foil as well. I also have all printing versions of Memnarch for his deck, but I don't have the original sadly. I'm getting it when I'll find it no matter the cost. The FtV is just stupid. The Archenemy print is nice.

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>>51609164
Out of curiosity, I'm curious to see what /tg/ considers to be the best board wipes in each color.

>>51613118
Daily reminder that this used to be banned with the white spell with the same effect, Pull From Eternity if I remember correctly.

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fof hunger, indeed

>>51614637
I got this
>White: Wrath of God
>Blue: Cyclonic Rift
>Black: Toxic Deluge
>Red: Blasphemous Act
>Green: Another color :^)

>>51614637
>Catastrophe 'Geddon if you count land wipes
>Cyclonic Rift
>Toxic Deluge
>Obliterate
>NA

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Fitting for black to have a vagina dentata I guess

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>>51614660
What was the reasoning behind the bans and subsequent unbans?

>>51614637
W: Terminus
U: Upheaval (banned for that reason)/Cyclonic Rift
B: Toxic Deluge
R: Oblivion Stone
G: Oblivion Stone

>>51614637

>Terminus
>Decree of Annihilation
>Cyclonic Rift
>Toxic deluge
>All is Dust? I don't know

My favourite is Merciless Eviction

>>51614637
White: Terminus or Cataclysm
Blue: Cyclonic Rift, easy
Black: Slamnation or Toxic Deluge
Red: Jokulhaups or Obliterate
Green: Great Aurora I guess?

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And the last one.

Choose your favourite mirror praetor and battle it to death with your friends at your LGS

>>51614327
There was no better way to word it though. I admit that it's not flawless, but at least it's not a powerful mechanic everyone wants to run.

>>51614684
Commanders used to be in exile, where they could be cast. Unbans came with introduction of command zone.

>>51611573
Gustcloack Savior

>>51614680
WispqsihW art looks so fucking metal.

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>>51614800
This explains so much. Talk about your all-time super-secret spicy tech!

>>51610425
Rift is the combo set-up most of the time.

>all those people not posting Blasphemous Act or Ezuri's Predation for the red and green wipes respectively

>>51614684
Hey that card harkens back to the thread theme of flavor. But that's a good one IMO.

>>51614844
I think it's just really hilarious relic from the past. I can't remember how death triggers worked or if there was a replacement effect for it if people wanted to put it back in exile.
I for one, miss EDH before tuck rule.

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>>51614667
Goddamn, both of these look brutal

>>51614671
>>51614637
Green: Wave of Vitriol

What are my choices for replacing Sylvan Primordial other than Terastodon? He's fine and all but I desperately need a similar effect on a 7CMC or lower creature (Pod-esque shenanigans).

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>>51614960

Since I know this exists I avoid using Ezuri's Predation

>>51615046
Wouldn't the fights happens anyway, killing most of the beasts in the process?

>>51611057
i'd go for random bits of lore

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>>51613476
I'll have you know that I, for one, do not run command tower.

>>51615062

I guess it depends what's in the battlefield when you cast it, but yes

There's an elfball deck in my meta that I intended to wipe out with predation and got collected. We got really fucked that game

>>51613476
You mean 97 + Command Tower + Sol ring right?

>>51615044
Damn, you're a couple years behind m8. You should get on replacing those Prophets too while you're at it :^)

Shitposting aside, you're probably not gonna find a better replacement than Terastodon, because I sure as hell couldn't. What colors are you running?

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>>51615044
I assume you're using a mono-green deck. Does it have to be a creature?

Besides Woodfall Primus, Sylvan Primordial, and Terastodon, Tornado is a strong option for repeatable permanent destruction in mono-green decks. It's instant-speed, difficult to counter, and it has no restrictions on what it can destroy. It's also an effective feint to lure out enchantment destruction. The life cost and cumulative upkeep typically prevent you from having it out for more than 3-4 turns, but it's still one of the key enchantments in my mono-green deck for the value and politics it provides.

>>51611081

>This guy is all business all the time

Gets me every time

>>51615298
Hm. Since Cumulative Upkeep works off Age counters and the destruction cost works off Time counters, a couple things that can remove counters off of a permanent could make this extremely effective removal.

>>51615298
Holy shit, what a wacky card. I love this format because of shit like this.

>>51613697
>Swamp makes building black decks too easy!
Fuck off.

>>51615298
I run Golgari, but I need artifact/enchantment removal on a <=7CMC creature.
>Does it have to be a creature?
Yes.
Tornado isn't a bad idea either though, since I already run Hex Parasite. Tutoring might be a problem for me however.

>>51615577
Bane of Progress

>>51611837
>>51611866
>>51611939
>>51611942
>>51611944
>>51612008
>>51612059
>>51612379
>>51612442
>>51612737

All these liberal faggots. Disappointing, desu. You guys should try r/EDH

>>51615577
Reclamation sage and acidic slime are popular choices for what your asking for.

>>51615589
Should have specified - something that doesn't wipe my artifacts/enchantments in the process if preferable. I own a copy of him, will see if I can restructure my deck around him if nothing better comes around.

>>51615614
Already run both, and I need something that wipes out multiple cards at once.

>>51615635
You won't find it. The only thing that exists like that is Bane of Progress and Terastadon.

>>51615668
Not even two targets? That would be enough for me.

>>51615577
Vampire Hexmage could work well too, since Colgate has lots of recursion.

>>51615690
relic crush is as close as you'll get, and its not a creature

>>51615635
I guess you could run like Titania's song and one of the board wipe on a stick black creatures like massacre wurm, but other then that I have no idea. Try gatherer.

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>>51615635
Yo! I found pic related. It's only enchantments, but you said you need artifacts/enchantments. This is probably the best you'll find on a creature besides the cards we've already been discussing.

In regards to non-creature cards that doesn't target your stuff, you might consider Calming Verse, Primeval Light, and Spring Cleaning.

>>51615718
>>51615735
Unfortunately I can't pull those out of a Green Sun's Zenith or a Pod. (well Massacre Wurm yes, but he hits creatures)

>>51615757
The tap clause kills it unfortunately. When I need an answer to an enchantment I need it ASAP, because more often than not it's some Gravepact class bullshit. Oh well, guess I'll try experimenting with Bane of Progress then.

>>51615757
This fits the thread theme of the worst flavor text.

>>51615800
Thousand-Year Elixir or Concordant Crossroads could help it, but I dunno if they fit your deck.

>>51615847
They don't, I've an ETB & beginning of upkeep deck.

>>51615044
Wave of Vitriol, providing your own deck can handle it. It's potentially devastating to decks that are 3+ colors (or colorless). If your deck can win with creature supremacy alone, it's a good call.

>>51615763
Dude, Black has tons of general tutors man and reanimator decks can abuse the fuck out rune-scared demon.

>>51613117
>>51613174
>>51613198
i don't get it

>introduce a friend to magic with my dickass Brago deck
>he now wants to build a deck
>Hey buddy, what decks are you thinking of?
>"Well anon, I've been looking at Derevi, Nekusar, Oloro, Brago and Mizzix."
I told him to build Derevi or Mizzix, but christ, what do I do about this? I suggested Ghoulcaller Glisa, and Rakdos Lord of Riots, but they haven't seem to have taken. I just hope he buys a precon and doesn't net deck some ungodly $700 monstrosity.

>>51616023
colgate means hang yourself in spanish

>>51615961
Tutors are already busy searching for other stuff - I want to expand the options for my creature tutors. Bringing out Rune-Scarred Demon to search for the answer is one option, but it's a ridiculously mana intensive one.

Stupid Sylvan Primordial. He'd be an absolutely perfect fit to my deck otherwise (even the reach is super handy), but they just had to break him with the land ramping clause.

>>51616041
>start him out against dickass Brago
>get alarmed when he wants to build a dickass deck to beat yours
you brought this on yourself faggot

>Unpopular EDH opinions

Johnnys are pure cancer and the most insufferable players in magic, I would rather play with only spikes because at least they dont get all bitchy and whiney when you dont play magic exactly how they want you to

>>51616041
>>51616107
yeah it seems like you basically ruined him by making him think that the point of edh is winning

its too late for that child now

maybe tell him to maelstrom wanderer so he can at least be somewhat interesting when he your table

>>51615800
If you're doing Golgari and not running Akromas Memorial/Crossroads/some haste enabler, then you're doing it wrong.

>>51615904
Nullmage Shepard can offer multiple artifact/enchantment destruction effects if you have enough untapped creatures. Since this is part of her ability's cost, you could even tap creatures that still had summoning sickness.

Wickerbough Elder can provide multiple artifact removals if you have a way to keep -1/-1 counters on it.

Woodripper offers up to three artifact removals, but it'll die as a result.

I really can't think of any more creatures like this for G/B. Good luck dood.

>>51616128
>Plays Johnny format
>complain about Johnny

>>51616107
>>51616137
Fuck. I'm a budget jank master. I build nifty fun decks with sweet secret tech. I just started him with Brago because it was conceptually the simplest. That being said, I play in a meta full of no-fun-allowed's so esoteric nonsense isn't going to work very well against what I usually run.

I actually have a maelstrom wanderer kicking around. What I was thinking was to make whatever deck he's buying while it's in transit so he can use my deck for a different "feel" for the commander. Particularly with Derevi, I was thinking about turning it into some sort of ramp deck, which is my specialty, to steer him away from prison-style lockdowns.

Or, I can just use something strong, but also neat, like a Lazav discard and copy deck, to try and lure him to the jank side.

>>51615820
>disdain for plebs.bmp

>>51615715
Seeing Colgate again made me laugh harder than it should have

>>51616023
Funny typo

>>51616070
Be nice to newfriends

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/tg, how does one play pic related as a commander?

>>51616563
I too would like to know, she's a card that I've always wanted to use. My best guess would be with a lot of tokens

>>51616128
Timmys are worse desu
>you played smokestack no fun allowed i need my hourly dose of diabetes waah
Well sorry for not letting myself get steamrolled over by aggro

>Mana Crypt in a 3-colored deck
Worth the money?

>>51616563
>>51616640
Lots of tokens and small creatures, some kind of ramps, anthem effects, pray nobody Wrath.

>>51616753
>30 dollars on mana fixing
No thanks

>>51616774
>what are enemy fetches
>what are ABUR duals

>>51616563
Tokens up your opponents' ass?
More anthems?
Mana doublers?
All of these?

>>51616768
Isn't white weenies like most resilient other then something with black though? Unlike green or red, white has tons of "creatures you control are indestructible" effects"

>>51616805
Overpriced shit that you should leave for the modern/legacy bumfucks. If you want to have fun with EDH, the money is better spend on some oddball 1995 enchantment from the restricted list or something to that effect.

>>51614372
Follow the quote chain:
>>51614253
>answering on break

>>51614358
Dack fayden has stronger effects but RU11UR has better art

>>51611572
I run her in a Naya deck. Use Omnomnath, otherwise you'll have to keep forests untapped to generate infinite mana per phase.

>>51616563
As part of the 99 in a King Darien deck. She's a lousy commander, even by Mono White standards. I wish it weren't so, but it is.

Everyone knows that you're gonna cast her, she has no innate protection, she's 7 damn mana. The sad fact is that she was not meant to lead.

>>51616879
"Add X mana of any combination of colors to your mana pool"
Why would you need untapped forest when you have infinite green mana? I don't understand

>>51609810
Got a nimbus maze, a river of tears and a paradox engine today.

Sol ring is still not banned.

>>51616563
I played against her once and all I remember is her shutting me out hard since I was playing Breya. So maybe play her prison style.

>>51616937
Craterhoof behemoth is still not banned.

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>>51616937
>>51616983
Deadeye Navigator is still not banned.

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>>51616983
>>51616937
hi

>>51616983
>banning mono-g's best wincon

Take Tooth and Nail. Card is never doing anything fun anyway.

>>51616937
Fun still not banned.