Eldar v Dark Eldar

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>>51592788
I like both.

>>51592788
I like the Dark Eldar better, but I think the whole Eldar Dark Eldar super friends thing is cool.

>>51592788
I prefer Tau.

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After the fall of the Eldar empire, would the number of Eldar hidden in Commaragh outnumber those of the Exodite and Craftworld?

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Harlequins.

>>51592894
>>51593020
Out.

>>51592946
Where is this art from? i can see a Shadowseer and a Haemy, and what I think is a Striking Scorpion, but I can't work out who the figure at the front is.

Neither.

The Ynnari are the future.

>>51592788
Dark Eldar, not least of all because of their cool model range.

>>51592788
Doesn't really matter, your either a bitch to the Imperium now or some small meanigless scrap

>>51593333
>Picking human in any game with multiple races
How boring

>>51593301
Don't know but I found it here
http://imgur.com/gallery/EKnnx
My guess is it's from a codex

>>51592946
Commoragh was a large city, with offshoots, probly about the same size as a large Craftworld once the fall happened. However, the availability of clone tubes meant the DE outnumber Craftwolders and Exodites in a few generations after the fall.

>>51593020
Massively, the dark elder vastly outnumber the others, one craftworld elder is even shocked at the sheer scale of commoragh

>>51593379
> Picking a one note race as opposed to actually making a character with depth.

Literally the Eldar.

>>51593443
You done bitching?

>>51593406
So the Craftworlders and Exodites, although smaller in number, are more powerful than the Deldar left behind because they retained their psychic abilities?

>>51592946
Yes. Anyone who says differently doesn't really understand the fluff or the scale.

Commoragh is unfathomably massive and much bigger than all of the Craftworlds put together. Dark Eldar are also grown, they reproduce 100x to `1000x faster than normal Craftworlders.

>>51593535
No one said they were 'more powerful' unless you mean on the tabletop.

Dark Eldar are like Orks in that they can hardly all be rounded together to do anything as one. They war with each other ALL. OF. THE. TME. like literally more than any other race. The attack other factions as gangs and clubs to out-do other gangs and clubs.

The only advantage Craftworlds have is one military that will fight together.'

There is a big reason Commoragh is never attacked, beyond how well hidden it is. (well except for right now in the timeline by daemons)

>>51593535
While a craftworlder has more psychic potential both they and exodites are physically inferior and less martially skilled than a Commoraite. Dark Eldar perfected their bodies since they don't use their minds anymore. Every Commoragh denizen has fought for their survival since they could walk, whereas most Craftworlders and exodites haven't been effectively gladiators/soldiers for their entire lives

>>51593020
Harlequins are the only tolerable form of space-elf. The rest are trash.

>>51593746
Well they are the only ones allowed on Imperial worlds by order of the High Lords so yeah.

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>Jedi or Sith or whacky Grey Clown Jedi honk honk
no thankyou

>>51592788

Exodites.

>>51592788

Dark, but I like the Aspects and Wraith constructs of Craftworld.

>>51593632
Why is craftworld Eldar better on tabletop despite being inferior in lore then?

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>>51593310
REMOVE YNNARI!
THEY ARE KINSLAYING DEAMON WORSHIPPERS!
YNNARI MUST BE SLAIN ON SIGHT!

>>51593903
That comparison doesn't work at all and you know it.
The Eldar and Dark Eldar don't have anything even remotely alike the relationship between the Jedi and the Sith.

>>51593020
Correct.

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Dark Eldar.

The lore and fluff is cool and stuff. But ultimately the models are amazing, fun to paint, and easy to customize. Making unique models that still fit the aesthetic is great fun.

>>51593575
But then why can a few Salamander Space Marine ships survive for really long in Commorragh with tons of things attacking them and cause enough of a threat to motivate all the primarcy Nobles of the time to move but Craftworlds regularly destroy entire Sector Fleets and Space Marine Chapters?

>>51594545
But in a game?

>>51594626
For the same reason Space Wolves receive wulfen while Tyranids get Imperial Guard units. Eldar are more popular then Dark Eldar because they are god tier powerful. Therefore, when a xeno needs to win its going to be Eldar over Dark Eldar. But please name the multiple Space Marine chapters wiped out by a craft world?

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>>51592788
I like all space elves, but I prefer DEldar. They're basically a living relic of pre-fall Eldar society, and Commoragh being a convoluted and impossibly sized megalopolis filled with PIRATES, FLESH-CRAFTERS, AND GLADIATORS makes me ROCK HARD.

Their models are beautiful, although their rules for tabletop leave something to be desired. While I often joke they're the best supplement for codex: craftworlds, I play DE exclusively and don't have too much trouble. The army rules are not as bad as people say, but DE is very hard to learn and even harder to master.

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>>51592788
Eldar. I like their aesthetic better, and they're the most "alien" of the civilized species in 40k, which I find neat. Aspect Warriors are also fucking sweet.

>>51592788
I've been a DEldar player since way back. Craftworlders are cool too, but I like the batshit insanity of the DEldar better.

The one thing I like best about the DEldar is that they basically saw that their behavior created a fucking Chaos God and nearly destroyed their own race, and instead of choosing the more reasonable option of "well let's not fucking do that again" like the Craftworlders did, they were like fuck it, I'm not giving up my good times even in the face of armageddon. I have a massive soft spot for characters like that.

>>51596753
I've been finding DE obsec kicks ass in maelstrom. But I feel some opponents get upset that half my army is zipping around playing the objectives instead of driving face first into their army.

>>51594398
an High Templar and Dark Templar Protoss?

>>51597552
Even less appropriate.

>>51595374
Alaitoc wiped out the Invaders.

Biel-tan beat ten Chapters and two fleets simultaneously.

I should ahve said 'taken on whole chapters though' didn't mean destroyed as in 'destroyed eery member' meant it like 'destroyed militarily' and beat in a fight.

>>51592788
Aspect Rangers, including the lost black Incubi Ranger, but not ranger-ranger he was a silly commercial stunt.

>>51592788
The real question is who makes better waifus? The answer is obviously DEldar

I want waifufags to leave.

>>51597936
Deldar Twins Were worst waifus in Heretical Love Quest. Tsundere Eldar girl was much better.

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Returning 40k player here. I love both Eldar and Dark eldar but can't decide which to play.

I wanna grab a start collecting box. Would it be possible to make a decent force with a DE and Eldar start collecting force combined? Maybe Ynead or some shit? I dont know anything about their background tho.

>>51598000
>tsundere
shit taste

>>51598022
Better, not best. Shy Mechanus Girl was best girl hands down.

>>51598000
Never agreed with that Elder with their psychic discipling should be Kuudere.

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>>51598011
Still curious.

Any resourses you recommend for background on both beyond the newest codex?

>>51598011
you can just ally them. the more craftworld the stronger it is. They are battlebrothers on the table (best alliance rating)


Noone really knows anything about the forces or Ynnead. Wait until the book is actually released.

>>51598651
Is my plan dumb cost wise?

I wonder if I should just pick one.

My friend plays necrons. I really like both sets of models.

>>51598011
Just wait for Ynnari and then you can play them both with new rules and include the Harlequins

>>51597481

I fucking love Maelstrom of War for this reason. There's more to it than just face rolling.

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>>51593020
Correct.

>>51592788
the craftworlders have had more thought put into them during the years and developed their designs for longer, they are better than the other more monothematic eldar.

>>51598691
>Is my plan dumb cost wise?
not really
you might want to add some jetbikes because i find 3bike squads not big enough. also you might want to split the kabalite warriors into 2 squads of 5 and buy a second transport for the squads. Remember if you do that you cannot take a heavy weapon (dark lance or splintercannon) if you do

if you buy the craftworld eldar bikes, be advised that due to some ruling every bike can take a heavy weapon. In previous editions it was one every three bikes, which is more of a gentlemanly approach.

>>51599245
I (OP) would also like to build a hybrid Eldar army, but being a beginner, should I start with the craftworlders first, as a base?

>>51599331
start with which ever one you like the most. i think the dark eldar get started box is way cooler than the eldar get started box. the eldar armored assault box special that just came out is also an option (the DE one is less good/identical to the starting box).

>>51599405
Yeah the DE start collecting one seems good value. How do I work out how many points the individuals miniatures work out to be.

>>51599451
get the codex or use the battlescribe program which has almost all points in it.

>>51592788
I like Dark Eldar. If they ever make Wyches decent on the tabletop, I'll start a Wych cult army.

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>>51599498

I wish they were good. I really do.

>>51599475
Just worked it out, 243 points I believe

>>51599641

You can also upgrade the Kabalites to Trueborn

>>51592788

I like the Eldar. They're more chill and have all the cool psychic tech; plus their ideas regarding aspect shrines are very interesting.

>>51599245
I really can't choose. I guess I should read both codexes. Read 7th ed Eldar codex and wasn't impressed but really like the descriptions of Eldar found in Horus Hersey books so far. Why do new codexes suck so much compared to old ones? The art, amount of fluff and quality of fluff are shit.

>>51600064
they are rushed out
and yes, this sterile art should be torn out of them.
and again. you dont have to choose.

>>51600114
I am thinking of buying both sets a set of gangs of commerash and some recast wraths and wrath knights. Maybe some more jetbikes. Or an armored assault DE

>>51600149

It's hard to go wrong with a Pair of Deldar SC! boxes, and I think I'm going to get a Gangs Box because I can also get it for 25% off on top of that. The Armored Assault is great when you don't need anymore Reavers, and with Gangs out, it's even better.

>>51600219
I was gonna do a de and an eldar but we will see after I finish reading codex...

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Figured it might be appreciated here.
I dun a thing.

>>51600267

Don't be that faggot, anon.

>>51600219
>when you don't need anymore reavers.
I don't understand this phrase.

>>51600311
I started out actually liking eldar more. It's not my fault half their miniture line is from the 80s/90s.

I honestly really like eldar bikes and wraiths and not much else. (Their vehicles and characters are cool too tho. And warp spiders.)

>>51600392
>I honestly really like eldar bikes and wraiths and not much else.

So you're a cheese faggot

>And warp spiders

A turbo cheese faggot

>>51600392
Good on you, you have the making of a unrepentant eldar powergamer.

Or a prolific masterbaiter

>>51600277
Forgot the fighter-bomber aspect 0/10.

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>>51594374
This whole shitstorm by GW has made me realize how much I love Biel-Tan as a craftworld. I knew this day was coming when AoS happened. It's finally time to say goodbye GW. After 20 years, no more 40k for me.

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Dark Eldar master race

>>51600805
Nah, it was a mistake to include it as an aspect.

I refuse to acknowledge them until slicing orbs get rules.

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>>51600441

I haven't even looked at datasheets I mean appearance. RIP

>>51601197
Maybe I should pick another xeno race. I cant decide what eldar to play.

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>>51601052

>Playable wych cult never

>>51601445
I'm sure they'll find a way to nerf Wyches further in the next codex.

>>51601661

I don't know. It would be pretty difficult without arbitrarily making them cost more points. Wych Weapons already have pointless differences, so I guess they could just make them all the same and only rerolling 1s to hit.

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>>51600962
>my faction got rekt in lore
>guess I can't have fun anymore

>>51598419

Codices, supplements, and FW stuff seems the like your best bet off the top of my head. There is the Path series from BL as well. The Dark Eldar one is good, Craftworld is nice for giving you a view into Craftworld life, but since each book is the same story from different perspectives you may only find yourself feeling like reading one.

>>51592788
Dark Eldar purely because of how funny they are when they're not being edgy.

> "Hey Jerry?"
> "Yeah?"
> "You know, it's pretty dark in here."
> "Oh yeah. Let's steal a sun."
> "Fuck yes."

>>51602744
Even poor Dark Eldar have the mortal equivalent of "Fuck You Money."

We once ran a Dark Eldar mission in Rogue Trader where we all played Kabalites or Wyches, and it was a giant heist of a Shrine World.

Tons of fun, but never doing it again.

>>51602744
>I have invented technology that will allow me to become a being of pure light!
>Now to fly to other planets and brag about how cool I am!

>>51601273
There's ways to play Eldar without being a cheesemaster

Specifically, don't rely on bikes (Maybe take a squad in high point games) and stay away from D Weapons. Bam, you're still mobile as fuck and shooty to boot without being a total asshole.
I Want Ynnari so I can field DEldar and Harlequins too

>>51593301
One of the Deathwatch rpg books. "The Outer Reach" I think. A fluff book about Necrons, those four are a group of Eldar who are monitoring the situation and trying to keep BAD THINGS from happening.

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I'm a huge fan of Corsairs - they're really the closest to pre-fall Eldar.

>>51597819
Eh Im a DEldar and Harlies player. I meant in big expansions of lore, not codexes. I mean, How about the time one Haemonculus coven caused the entire Night Lord Leigion to flee in fear cause the Haemys freaked them out so much, or the time that they stole an entire Exodite world because they wanted tyranid specimens.

>>51603455

Every time someone suggests Corsairs to me, I get depressed because they have nothing to mimic wyches.

>>51603323
Why would I purposefully avoid the models I like the look of and buy the ones that I hate?

>>51603989
No, you can buy them, I'm just saying that they're very fucking strong, overly strong. You're gonna make people mad if you take them, especially with scatter lasers. I'm not saying don't take them ever, but don't spam or just rely on them, you will lose friends or make it so no one wants to play you.

I love the way they look

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>>51603455
The corsairs are cool.

>>51603989
To get to play games.
Otherwise you better REALLY like the looks cause you'll be painting ornaments.

Dark eldar have more interesting tech. Its just enough that I'm willing to tolerate their meme-tier society. Regular eldar are just space elves- dull as shit

>>51592946
>>51593406
A Craftworlder who lives in Commorragh for a bit remarks the city holds a population "greater than a million craftworlds."

It's unclear if he's referring to just central Commorragh or including all the many, many satellite realms that orbit around it and are connected by portals, but it is long since official that the deldar outnumber the craftworlders by absurd amounts. I don't know anything about exodite numbers.

>>51594626
They weren't trying to destroy the marines. If they wanted to, a few void bombs would have taken out the ship and marines all instantly. Rather, they were trying to capture the marines as slaves and keep the ship as a trophy. It was also only three noble houses (the three greatest) of hundreds of noble families. They were dealing with a very small portion of the deldar and had the full assistance of Vect's kabal who ensured the conflict lasted exactly as long as Vect needed.

>>51607637
You have as long as you fucking want to name another elf-equivalent in fiction that has all the following elements:
>Brought about their own destruction by murderfucking a god into existence
>Half of them didn't give a fuck and carried on murderfucking
>Other half live strictly controlled lives, concentrating solely on a single aspect of life for decades at a time
>Download their souls into the Matrix so they can chitchat with their live friends and also so they don't get raped and eaten by aforesaid god.
>Download their dead souls into living bone war mechs and continue to fuck shit up with reality-warping flamethrowers

Eldar are anything but boring, m80

>>51593960
Boy do I have some news for you. Introducing... the Kabal of the Black Heart! Vect's very own tried and true boys in dark and green! Now featuring Vect's Castigators! A corps of wraithguards/blades numbering well over a million strong! And inside each construct is not just one soulstone, but dozens! And I mean dozens! The experiences and memories of each contributing to the greater bloodthirsty, machine.

And to sweeten this already delectable deal, I'll have you know that every last soul in every last soulstone in those wraiths is compelled under powerful illusions that whatever before them is the greatest enemy they have ever faced, driving them to a murderous frenzy that is just oozing with rage, agony, and bloodlust capable only by the boundless psychology of the eldar. You'll never see anything like this anywhere else friend, so run those wraithwings with your deldar today with absolutely no hesitation!

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>>51592788

CWE, though both are fun.

>>51592788
>Eldar
>Dark Eldar
No such thing

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>>51607963
I wish that we would get Castigator models with the gathering storm bs.

>>51607963
Holy shit these sound awesome how come they've never done anything ever?

>>51607903
Its not official. Has GW ever said explicitly there are more Dark Eldar than Craftworld Eldar? Because unless they have its not official, its just everyone speculating whatever fits them best

>>51609531
Vect digs them up occasionally - typically once every few hundred years.The last time was when the descendants of the noble houses he blew up united together to overthrow him, and Aelindrach was expanding with the machinations of Chaos behind it, and the Dysjunction was in its death throes, Vect dust off the old wraiths and busted A LOT of faces in to prove he was still top dog. Then he opened a hole in one of the dyson spheres of their suns and channeled out the sun onto a void-shielded fortress that was otherwise impenetrable by anything else until all the shields failed and it melted into slag.

Over all, it was a fun ride.

>>51609545
>Andy Chambers's Dark Eldar series
>not official
>Andy Chambers
>not GW
Under what grounds are you trying to say that isn't official?

>>51603624
Which battle between Haemonculi and Night Lords do you mean? Wystengradt was the only one I could find but it is just a single Night Lords Warband, not a Legion (in fact I find it highly unlikely the Night Lord Legion was ever beaten by anything other than another Legion). Wystengradt still ends with the Haemonculi unable to militarily defeat the Night Lords anyway.

Then stealing the Exodite world is fine, but really doesn't hold a candle to beating a Space Marine Chapter. One Exodite world is a lot weaker than the stuff single Space Marine Chapters have been shown to achieve.

Furthermore the examples you listed were also from Codexes so I'm not sure why you'd eliminate them. I mean if we're talking about non-codex major expansions of lore the sad fact is there are virtually none of those where any Xenos, let alone Dark Eldar or Craftworld Eldar, win anything, so it'd seem to make a conversation on the matter pointless.

>>51609579
BL novels, which are waht the Dark Eldar series are, have frequently had facts in them which are later untrue, ignored or retconed.

Again, I ask, has GW ever officially and explicitly stated the Dark Eldar Population is higher than the population of Craftworld Eldar?

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>>51609579
>>51607963

The Path of a Dark Eldar trilogy is one of the best 40k novel series.
I fucking loved those books, and was left wanting more.

>tfw the Haemonculi and his Wrack assistant reminded me of these two so much that I read their lines with these voices.

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>>51609606
Well, unlike most things Black Library which takes known events and gives shitty retellings, the Path of the Dark Eldar series created a new event which GW reaffirmed and canonized in the 7E codex (stamped under 842.M41 The Nobility Resurgent).

So they gave it their full seal of approval. However, you seem to not know who Andy Chambers is. He's "the" 40k guy, next to names like Rick Priestly. You don't get much more official than a story written by someone like him. Trying to say Andy Chambers work isn't GW because they only publish novels under BL makes you sound like an ignorant. But whatever. It's not my job to convince you - a stance that BL is non-canon as a whole is a stance I share, so I won't fault you for it. However, Andy Chambers is a very, very different entity than BL.

>>51609610
I just wanted Kharbyr to have a happy ending. Bellathonis was so dark eldar though that I can't fault him. Truly a great series.

>>51609661
God fucking dammit, I wish that I had remembered that Path of DE was written by Chambers when I met him last year. I would have congratulated him on the series, and asked for more.

>>51609724
Yeah, Kharbyr had a hard life.

>>51609739
>met Andy Chambers
I'm mad jelly right now.

>>51609793
It was pretty neat.
I talked with him about origins of Tyranids and the initial design philosophy behind them.
He told me that the Tyranids were supposed to be the most versatile army in the game. It is saddening how far from that initial vision they have fallen.

Are the rumors about Commoragh being destroyed in Fracture of Biel Tan true?

>>51611458
The female new character broke open Khaine's Gate which dooms the Dark City to endless daemon invasion.

>>51611560
>khaine's gate
That shit is so fucking stupid. I want to strangle the asshole that thought it up.
WHY CANNOT IT BE CONTAINED BY SEALING OFF ALL THE WEBWAY GATES THAT LEAD TO THAT PORTION OF THE CITY, LIKE THOUSANDS OF WARP INTRUSIONS HAVE BEEN CONTAINED BEFORE?

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I wish that there was more stuff about Commoragh.
I hoped that the Gangs of Commoragh would have been basically Necromunda: Commoragh edition

>>51611665
Khaine's gate is in like the foundation of the city. You cannot remove the foundation. The city would collapse.

>>51611665
Vect, his allies, and the Covens were able to do just that, though. They'd secured a portion of the city as their private fall-back point and when everything went to hell, they retreated there and locked the doors behind them.

>>51614399
>>51611665

The entire concept was dreamed up entirely in the 7th edition codex just for sake of gathering storm, it seems to me

>>51614399
No need to remove anything. Just fucking shut down the webway gates that connect Khaine's gate to other parts of the city.

>>51614437
Which makes it artificial bullshit that doesn't make any sense given the knowledge of what we have of Commoragh.
Commoragh is not a singular giant city. It is a massive collection of interconnected subrealms, that are bound to one another via webway gates, that can, and have been shut down multiple times in the past to prevent shit like deamonic invasions from warp rifts, WHICH IS PRECISELY WHAT KHAINE'S GATE IS.

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Both. Harlequins too.

t- Eldar player

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>>51611560
Hope the daemons like having the Illmaea focused on them.

Whenever a Dysjunction has hit Commorragh before they only saw the Daemons as an excuse to fuck up their rivals instead so it's business as usual.

>>51614560
>Whenever a Dysjunction has hit Commorragh before they only saw the Daemons as an excuse to fuck up their rivals instead so it's business as usual.

Not this time because this time it's the SUPER DUPER SPESHUL KHAINE'S GATE THAT CAN'T BE CONTAINED BECAUSE REASONS :DDDDD

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>>51592788
Exodite Eldar best Eldar.

>tfw brown space elves riding dino's

>>51614927
Their masks are brown.
All eldar are pure and white.

It's been a while, so I'll try again:

I am looking for a clever, fuck you up with wyches strategy. I saw an extended post on some site years ago with details about it, but haven't ever found it again.

You need two raiders and a unit of wyches. Run the raiders up to make a wall with a hole in it, and charge your wyches. Enemy units won't be able to met base to base, so you'll have very few casualties. Each round the pile-in is still going to keep very many units from getting into base combat, but there will be an overwhelming number of attacks coming from the wych side.

This sound familiar to anyone?

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>>51603624
one of the best swordman who won twice the feast of blade of the imperial fist, and was worshipped as the saint of blade, got stolen by a random archon to fight lelith
which is hilarious
the guy was Cadulon of the iron knight
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Cadulon

PLASTIC ASPECT WARRIORS WHEN?!

Are there rules for playable Eldar in any of the 40K RPG lines?

>>51618148
I haven't actually played them myself, but I'm pretty sure Rogue Trader has rules for playable ork and eldar mercenaries. Possibly also kroot.

>>51592882

Who are the dudes with the glowing green hands? I vote for them.

>>51592788
Harlequins

>>51621020

Dark Eldar?

>>51614560
It really isn't 'business as usual' its been made explicitly clear it isn't.

Vect and somee Dark Eldar survive, yes, but acting as if this isn't an enormous blow, the greatest the Dark Eldar have ever suffered, is ridiculous. The canon explicitly states so.

The losss of Commoragh on its own, the greatest, largest and most well-connected realm in the Webway, is the greatest loss the Eldar have suffered since the Fall. That Vect must flee and make a new, small, Dark City isn't a victory, its just a matter of retreating from an enormous defeat.

Wish the Dark Eldar would start having enormous victories for a change. Random side question, though I'm sure I've guessed the answer, have the Dark Eldar ever militarily defeated either the Ultramarines or Space Wolves in a fight?

>>51592788
Dark eldar. As a rule I hate elves but I've always had a thing for pirates and mercenaries and they fit that perfectly

>>51621118

Mandrakes.

>>51600277
I wish the DE had other "bad" aspect warriors besides just incubi.

>>51618077
Never, since there is no more CWE now.

>>51592788
Craftworld Eldar are grimdark spess Elves.
Dark Eldar are (even more) grimdar spess Fair Folk
Fair Folk >>> Elves

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>>51593310

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Exodites.

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>>51626741
>tfw no more Swordwind, ever again.

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>>51592788

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>>51593310
REMOVE!!!!!

>muh REBIRTH OF THE ANCIENT DAYS

I can't understand Ynnari-haters.

Now that the Eldar, as whole, have a REAL chance of surviving once the clock ticks midnight, and people are sperging about something that had almost zero chance of happening.

I say this as a non-autist imperialfag.

>>51627699
Can someone post the original one of this one? Without the Ynnarri face.

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>>51628364
Sure.

>>51628358
>Now that the Eldar, as whole, have a REAL chance of surviving once the clock ticks midnight,

>real chance of surviving.
Yeah, as a food for "totally not Slaanesh" deamon.

>>51628358
Some just hate change when it's not exactly like they wanted it to be. Though so far Ynnari hasn't done anything interesting and good for the Eldar, but it's also a bit too early.

>>51628401
I hate fucking retarded changes that shit all over previously established factions like this Ynnari bs does.

>>51628461

How do the Ynnari change any of the other Eldar factions? There will still be Craftworlders, Dark Eldar, and Harlequins.

>>51603455
Good man.

>>51603455
Do you mean genetically or culturally?

I really want to like the DEldar fluff wise because I like their art style and I'm a fan of glass cannon gameplay but I can't get over how cartoonishly emo/sadistic they are.

I prefer my evil factions to be a little more nuanced/reserved.

>>51628358
What chance? I'm totally willing to give Ynnead a chance but I've as of yet not been told one thing it does which is really useful compared to losing the strongest Craftworld and the greatest Eldar Realm within the Webway.

>>51629862
The Ynnari have taken all the soul of Ball-Tan and have gathered the souls of the most ancient of the Eldar too. They have brought forth a cycle of death and rebirth (though incomplete and corrupted) and fused the living Eldar with the dead Eldar souls making them super powerful.

Now the Eldar are fighting at the same level as their Aeldari ancestors. Fighting with their full psychic and physical power while not fearing death.

>>51629912
And what has this achieved? As far as I can tell it the Ynnari have brought a bunch new guns, at the cost of killing the largest army of Eldar left, and have not achieved anything with said new guns.

>>51629196
Biel-Tan and Commoragh are both destroyed for one.

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>>51630824

Biel-tan is a fleet now, not really destroyed. Commoragh isn't destroyed either, merely swarming with daemons. There is also another scan arguably showing that Craftworlds aren't going anywhere, saying that only a few hundred left Alaitoc to join the Ynnari.

>>51630824
Biel-Tan are a bunch of blithering retards, so that's no big loss at least.

>>51631644
WD says that Ball-Tan was destroyed and that what'sherface is the Slayer of Ball-Tan.

Sure there are survivors but the Craftworld is gone and its people are scattered. Some of them joined up with the Ynnari, the others fucked off.

>>51614739
Nah the book states that Vect made sure most of the areas flooded with demons are his rivals. Also, it states Commorragh is too big to be flooded. Commorragh is now more like Malifaux, good chunks of it occupied and "Safe" while the rest of it is considred contested. Shame Gangs is out, so GW won't release a Mordheim style Commorragh raiders game.

>>51613702
Hell, if it was released after what happened in Commorragh it could have been literally Mordheim in 40k, but with parts of it safe for occupation.

>>51625315
That's what you get for being edgy and un family friendly and not selling good or having nice stats.

Enjoy the End Times discard bin. Say hi to Squats and Tomb Kings once you're there.

>letting a faction of rapists and slavers exist in the upcoming noblebright'ening of 40k
>2017

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My god she is cute as fuck. Why do we hate her again?

>>51631932
>her

Uhhhhh

>>51631644
It was obvious they weren't going to squat the armies, the crazy doomsaying will at least stop now.

My larger problem is the fluff going forward. Eldar have been for a while now the memetic losers of the fluff and Biel-tan was a rare exception to that rule, so its loss I fear will result in that tendency to lose in fluff only being deepened.

Consider the Craftworld you mention, Alaitoc, its most famous for (other than Rangers) Eldorath Starbane, a Farseer who fails at life, and for being completely curbstomped by a small Imperium force with only one Space Marine Chapter for aide even though Alaitoc had three Phoenix Lords on their side.

I'd really like to hope that in the future, after both Death Masque and this, we'll see the Eldar's constant status as losers in fluff reversed but the destruction of Biel-tan doesn't fill me with hope.

Does anyone know, since story spoilers seem to be leaking, if the Ynnari win any major engagements or defeat any major characters?

>>51632093
They fight Ahriman.

>>51632093
My big complaint is just that this ruins any Biel-tan players thing. Even if we argue that somehow the 'fleet' is even close to equitable to the 'Craftworld' fact remains that the Biel-tan are now part of the Ynnari Army, which can't even field the Avatar of Khaine for crying out loud!

I don't mind Ynnead being born, but I'd have prefered if in the process of birthing it they didn't utterly change one of the Craftworlds with an established gimmick that wasn't ghosty,

Iyanden would have been a much better pick, seeing as it also has Iyana who seems criminally neglected in this plotline. Instead I've lost my Khaine-happy Holy Warriors cause now I can't even field them alongside the Avatar (of Khaine) if I'm being fluffy.

>>51632210
I'm not seeing a 'beat' or 'win' in there.

I'm not trying to be snarky, just trying to find out for real, I don't know if your saying that cause you have the book or are just quoting the mention in the WD.

I would honestly like to know if there is any significant Ynnari victory, akin to the Imperium destroying the Blackstone Fortress in Fall of Cadia, to go along with the major defeats at Commoragh and Biel-tan.

>>51632262
They crash into Ulthwe and save Eldrad from execution.

>>51632299
Okay well if they kill a lot of Ulthwe Eldar that's not really much of a 'victory' I mean. I mean a victory against an enemy.

Also I presumed there wasn't going to be that much fighting between the Ynnari and Ulthwe. Do they come to actual blows? That'd be a pity

>>51632299
Do they have too? Can't we let Eldrad die please? He's such a fucking jobber

>>51632299
>the only win is a fight against other Eldar
Excellent writing.

>>51632308
Unbelievers are enemies.

>>51632331
Please don't let this be the case. Please.

>>51632230
I feel you. Biel-tan was the last bastion of any kind of cool for the Craftworlds, and now its sacrificed for some impotent God

Farewell sweet Swordwind

>>51592788
I don't respect anyone who plays Eldar. The only reason anyone would play them is because they are really cheesey in competitive. There's one actual homosexual at my LGS who plays them who I give a pass to because he really does suck dicks, so maybe he legitimately LIKES Eldar.

It's a different story with Dark Eldar though. I actually have a sort of begrudging respect for Dark Eldar players because its one of the hardest armies in play to a high level in the game.

>>51633044
Almost reads like an article from 1d4chan. Good job.

>>51633118
>1d4chan
>The website written by /tg/ users

Oh shit, it's totally insane that a /tg/ user might have the same opinion as something you read on the /tg/ wiki! Isn't that crazy?

Your aspergers is acting up again.

>>51593797
Really? That's neat

>>51633677
It just sounded as asspained as some article I read there, with the same Eldar = bad and played by fags, DEldar = somewhat respectable, like he/you copypasted it out of the article.

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>>51625315
Using SW recruits to create wulfen / remake leman russ is the closest you will find.

>>51635346
Ulrik hunted down that coven and punished them for what they did in the Space Wolves 7th ED codex

>>51599521
Dont worry maybe someday it'll happen, maybe someday... Till then "WAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGHH!!!"

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>>51625315
>largest and most well-connected realm in the Webway
See, that's the problem. Old Commorragh the port-city definitely holds the most portal connections in the webway. However, it was not the only port-city - by far, it was not the only - and modern Commorragh's immense connections and strength was not centered upon Old Commorragh but rather the subsuming of and interconnection of all of the old port-cities. Commorragh the city, as we know it today, it a massive hive of realms, port cities, satellite realms, and more - including the old port city, but that is but a single cell in a hive of impossible immensity. The single most valuable cell, if taken individually, but not of real consequence (anymore) if plucked from the overall hive.

And canonically, plucking is all that need be done. Close all the portals leading to old Commorragh. Vect already controls every portal in all of modern Commorragh, so the task of closing them all is well within his reach. Additionally, as of the new Khaine's Gate schlock, he's already moved all of his own assets out of that realm and "gifted" the real estate to rival kabals (996.M41 Danger Unseen), so he loses nothing.

I'm not the person you were previously speaking to, but like I've told said to others on this matter before, it's absolute BS to pretend this is somehow a crippling event to the DE. As far as half-witted, made-up threats go, this one never had a leg to stand on. It's only argument in the face of countless evidence of it being a non-threat is "Because I said so." Of the thousands of ways of threaten the deldar, including the long established one of Aelindrach slowly rising and consuming the city (even inexplicably and horrifyingly seeping through closed portals), this is the worst and most nonsensical way they could have done it.

>>51627699

BIEL-TAN AKBAR

>>51635375
I remember the last time space marines tried to pursue and hunt down a group of dark eldar.

We haven't seen Jaghatai Khan since.

>>51632308
Wait what, Uthwe is a goner too?

>>51593797
>Well they are the only ones allowed on Imperial worlds by order of the High Lords so yeah.

How comes?

>>51631932
because we aren't AoSkids, go back to your general.

>>51628358
None wants to play aelves, shill

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>>51609824
>Did you ask why he appointed Robin Crudbrains to castrate the Nid codex?
>Did you remember to spit in his mouth as soon as it was opened?

>>51642686
He didn't appoint cruddace you dumb git. He had already left GW by the point when Cruddace fucked up the nids.

He took part in making two nid dexes, the 3d which was written by him alone, and the 4th which he co wrote with Phil Kelly.

>>51593020
How tolerated are they in the Imperium? Is there any source about it?

>Do you prefer to be cut apart by a beautiful with a superiority complex xeno

Or brutally raped and injected with all sort of chems and then killed off after a bone shattering night

I wonder

>>51592788
Dark Eldar

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I'm worried about Vect, he's spiraling deeper into shittyness.

>>51637413
Jaghatai is no space wolf.

>>51637277
Phil Kelly wrote this fluff. He knows more about the Dark Eldar than you. After all, he (re)invented them.

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>>51592788
I can respect a dark eldar player more than a eldar player cause of how hard it is to play dark eldar. In regards to lore Dark eldar are freaks but they are fun freaks to watch

>>51597139
>no warp spider

Im upset

>>51592788
I imagine CWE being on an intergalactic space cruiseship.

I would like DE more but they have too many ugly models

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>>51645026
>DE models are ugly

Nigga what?