Confrontation Resurrection

>>51591977
OPHIDIANS BEST RACE

As a shameless bump, the announcement (in Frog) : http://sans-detour.com/index.php/News/confrontation-resurrection-en-2017-sans-detour-ranime-la-flamme-des-batailles.html

>>51591977
>publisher of CoC
Corruption of Champions?

>>51591977
Are they bringing the old sculptors back?
If so, get hype!

>>51592625
I hope so, but there's only some classic corp speak in the announcement, and the fact that I'll happen after the Ragnarok.

>>51592585

Fenoxo's really upping up the ante

>>51592585
Every time I see someone abbreviate Call of Cthulhu, I know someone will make this joke.

>>51591977
Confrontation is always back, never the same
People are still holding two different rulesets to keep playing, if I recall

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I would like to see them really do this. As >>51599054
pointed out there have been "Resurrections" beforehand with Wrath of Kings and Drakerys for instance. What they need to do is cut the bullshit, give us beautiful metal figures accompanied by a stylized world. Also ensure that we can use our existing Confrontation minis as the Griffins, despite their age, still look like pure sex.

If they do follow through then this will be great. Unlike the other popular fantasy miniatures game which died after its name changed to "Age of", it would actually come back.

>>51599054
There is Confrontation EVO from what I recall. There is going to be an event for it at a nearby convention, so I may give it a shot.

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>>51593123

Is Aarklash Legacy any good?

>>51591977
Is "publisher of CoC" an elaborate euphemism for a pimp?

>>51592585
Chain of Command?

Can someone who knows frog translate for us? Are they retconning Age of Ragnarok or giving any other details?

>>51600303
I assume that they mean Nos Games.

>>51592625
They still make new shit at Cadwallon, some of it is hit or miss but it's still heavily stylized.

>>51600366
>http://sans-detour.com/index.php/News/confrontation-resurrection-en-2017-sans-detour-ranime-la-flamme-des-batailles.html
It says;
Takes place after Ragnarok. The races are disorganized and are back on the new world of Aarklash for revenge and conquest.

Developed by people from the first hour(?) It's written with respect to the original world and continues on the offical background.

So sounds like a revamp where all your old stuff should be valid.

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>>51602076
Seconding this. The Signum stuff is top notch.

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>>51602174
Welp, time to start buying Confrontation recasts now that I actually have a motivation to paint them.

By the way, anyone try the RPG? Was the second book ever released in English?

Sessairs master race reporting in.

Deport all Drunes.

so I don't know much about Confrontation or it's setting, mind giving me an overview of it?

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>>51604990
It is, or was, a fantasy miniatures game set in the world ofAarklash with a really rad fancy French aesthetic. There are a bunch of factions, representing your standard fantasy races and some others, all fighting towards an eventual apocalyptic war called the Rag'na'rok. It eventually happened in the setting, then Rackham went bankrupt after pissing off their fans, and that was it until now.

There are also a couple of video games, a RPG, a few board games made by Fantasy Flight Games, and Wrath of Kings which is the poorly advertised spiritual successor.

>>51600092

Wrath of Kings just has some of the Confrontation sculptors on board. It's not really a resurrection of any kind.

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>>51604689
Definitely Griffons. I am glad to see that they are still kicking.

>>51593123

Holy shit, lol

>>51605993
Yeah, Griffons were the shit.

Love the way they look.

Hopefully this works out well. I'm sure my wife, and my wallet, would both hate it, but god damn if they make a solid game with good mechanics and sexy modela like the olden days I'll be all over this.

Now if someone would just bring back AT-43...

>>51605993
Acheron for me, I've yet to find more stylish undeads.

Massive fan of the whole, metal, range. Favorites Mid Nor Dwarves, Dwarves and both Wolfen and Devourers.

Hope they don't bring back the prepainted drek!!

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Cheeky

>>51591977
The only thing I know about this game is the 11/10 models

So... HOORAY?

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>>51612783
Hopefully the new minis are up to snuff. If not I still have an excuse to use existing ones. I was looking for an excuse to collect Tir-Na-Bor anyways.

>>51605063
What dit they do to trigger the community ?

>>51613307
They switched from well hewn made in France metal figures with amazing studio paint jobs to pre-assembled low grade plastic figures painted by Chinese factory workers in order to "Expand our audience" with Age of Ragnarok. As you may guess the drop in quality was quite dramati. When you entire audience is in it for the minis there was a real loss of interest.

There is a lot more behind it including the company's buyout, general mismanagement, and Paulo Parente (Who went on to kill DUST as well), but that is the gist of it. The primer that has been put up says that they are going for hobbyists and are listening to the community, so it is safe to say that they won't repeat that mistake.

>>51613170
God damn I love those Elves.

>>51605993
>>51613170
Never in my life have I needed that one image macro with the guy getting knocked out by his boner shouting in japanese more than now.

I'll honestly say, despite how terrible the minis were, AoR was a much better game than the previous versions of Confrontation. It wasn't an amazing game by any stretch of the imagination, but it was still a step up.

>>51606315
I just want my retro-scifi gorillas back, damnit.

>>51613351
For once Parente wasn't really to blame. It was mostly Bey being an idiot and making all the wrong decisions.

>>51617587
This was probably the one time Parente's character failings worked in favor. His unability to give up his baby means Rackham had to slap a sci-fi coating on the project, and we got AT-43.

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>>51613170
Man, I loved the weird units that the Cynwall had Echahims, Pulsars, Equanimous warriors.

Pic related, the Echahims.

>>51616946
I have to agree with you there. Confrontation was never especially well designed or balanced, but from what I played of the AoR two player starter set (Miniatures Market was offloading it for $8, don't judge me) it worked out fine. In the end if you want good gameplay and can deal with fugly figures you can just play Warmahordes or something.

>>51618852
Oh yeah, I've heard it started as a weird war project. Never made the connection.

>>51620496
AT-43 even stands for Alternate Timeline '43

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I hope they bring back Hybrid. It would make a good KS project and back in 2003 is was ahead of its time in terms of design and quality. I wrote an article a while back about it for Beasts of War http://www.beastsofwar.com/hybrid/golden-oldie-checking-hybrid-rackham-miniatures/

>>51620791
Board games seem to be a priority with the reboot, so I am sure that something similar will pop up at least.

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Yes
YES
I NEEDED THAT HYPE
TEMPLE OF THE NORTH STRONG

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Soon, wolftits...

So what exactly is confrontation?

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>>51619086
God damn, this game really does look like Cirque Du Soleil

>>51621296
See
>>51605063

>>51621168
Fantasy skirmish game set in the world of Aarklash. It also had a full blown Warhammer like game called Ragnarok, and rules for campaign play for skirmish, called Dogs of War. There was also a 2 player dungeon crawl game called Hybrid (see up a few posts), and also an RPG called Cadwallon.

Fk Yeas, fingers crossed for Tier 1 minis...

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>>51621549
If they made stuff like this 10 years ago then I imagine that they can really impress with today's technology

>>51621483

So quick question as I think the cover art, art posted here, and the minis look pretty fuckin cool. Where do I learn more about the universe plus is it more a your dudes setting or just based around heroes?

>>51621675
Your troops in the skirmish game (and Ragnarok) are led by named heroes
From what I know, Dogs of War is the total opposide, kind of like Mordheim I believe ? You have a team of warriors growing in experience and skill over the adventures. I believe the system is compatible with Confrontation, so you can include them later too I guess.

For the universe, I have links and PDF but it won't be of much help if you can't read french...

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>>51621675
You should check the actual books or the wiki for setting info. Here is the RPG which contains a decent amount about the setting, though focuses on the titular free city of Cadwallon. https://files.catbox.moe/0uginq.pdf

The game doesn't have customizable figures or anything. It has Dogs of War which is a smaller scale Mordheim esque deal which does have your dudes.

So would you guys rather see a full scale mass battle game, or a more skirmish focused game?

I'd like more skirmish like Dogs of War. I think it fits better for that 28-32mm scale.

Though I wouldn't be opposed to 15mm mass battle goodness.

>>51602076
So is Cadwallon legit? I've been wanting to order some stuff from there but i'm paranoid about ordering things online that aren't from ebay or amazon.

>>51623358
They are technically recasts. They do a bunch of original figures as well. But otherwise yes, you will get what you order from them.

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>>51623373
Cool, time to pick up that Kyrus the Somber fig and a few other guys. So how's the quality on the recasts?

>>51623358
They buy/rescue the old molds when they can as far as I know.

So yea they're legit. They still cast a bunch of the metals in metal.

>>51623519
They are pretty good as far as sticking to the original quality. They even include stat cards and such, and occasionally throw in a resin base.

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SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON...

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>>51623110
I'm kinda split, because I'd actually like a return to about the AoR level, but wouldn't like the cost required for the old level of detail.

>>51623820
I miss those BDSM psycho wolves. Shurat was such a beefy model.

>>51623110
Ideally they would give us rules for regular Confrontation (The main one), Dogs of War, and Ragnarok so people can choose their engagement scale. I imagine that the board game will probably be some dungeon crawler or grid tactics deal that could handle smaller encounters. 15mm would miss the point of Confrontation honestly.

>>51624049
I just think for mass battles 28mm doesn't work super great. Then if they keep unit sizes fairly small it shouldn't be much of a problem.

>>51624660
It worked fine for Ragnarok and AoR, at least in my experience. Regular Confrontation, which will probably be what we will get, shouldn't be too big if you are worried about that. Like with Rackham originally I imagine that DoW and Ragnarok will be rolled out later. Just because Games Workshop can't get it together doesn't mean that all large scale rulesets are bad

>>51624721
Oh I know large scale games can work well. Kings of War and Wargods both show that, I just hope they keep the scale in mind and don't go too crazy(i.e. no 50+ model units on the table).

Either way I'm stoked.

>>51624721
I agree. It looks like it'll be skirmish and boardgame they will be going for. The main point being the stunning figures that just would not be the same in 15mm

>>51621145
Didn't we already get that from Wrath of kings ?

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>>51629949
Yes. It doesn't hurt to have more of them as well.

>>51591977
Good news.
I'm a bit too cautious to be hype right now, but I'll keep my eyes on it.

If we're lucky we'll get new books for the Cadwallon jdr

>>51630645
Wait, did the french make mini with tits?
What about female?

Is there any hope that confrontation modelline are comming bag

>>51591977

I hope they make more Mid-Nor models, they were awesome

>>51620791
You can buy him at Cadwallon.

>>51632408
Same with a lot of Mid-Nor guys.

DAIKINEE BEST ELVES

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Can any of you guys ID this model? I'm almost certain its from confrontation, and it looks like the zombies of acheron, and it's tab says RMI 02, but I can't find this figure in any of the galleries.

>>51633148
Crane Warrior

>>51633148
>>51633196

Apologies for the waste of time anon, I decided to dig deeper, like I should have awhile ago when i got the mini. It's just a reaper mini, Ashkrpt to be precise. I did manage to get the three model set of zombies with it for like 4 dollars alltogether at a convention, so not a complete loss. Now to find some black paladins on the cheap, lol.

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IS TIME FOR CRUSADING MERIN LO VULT!!!!

>>51623358
Pretty legit. They sent me an extra blister of elf archers, but misplaced the duelists i ordered. Also got a really moldline-y recast, but their own stuff is amazing.

>>51632225
There are a couple of topless women, but I don't recall any Wolfen with bare breasts

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>>51632225
Just some lady wolf in thight leather.

>>51632475
I have an original version of the Dirz Dasyatis Clone. Damn good model.

>>51634290

If you cleaned up an original, and a recast, could you really tell the difference?

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>>51634226
I think the Irix model was the closest we got to bare wolftitties.

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>>51634392
Her previous Incarnation got some wet shirt.

>>51634344
Nope. I have cleaned up far worse recasts and they still look the same when painted.

>>51634344
I have some recast Dwarf Blunderbuss models. he give away is the metal. Rackham stuff is all lead and cleans up far more easily.

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Has it been mentioned what kind of bases this new edition will use? Square, round? They had that pre-painted nonsense for a while so I'm not sure what is going on...

>>51634738

But anon, if it's lead, that means you can't chew or eat your models. I'll be damned if I'm going to let toxic materials prevent me from gobbling down models that displease me via tabletop performance.

>>51634988
Nope. I honestly kind of want them to go with square ones as I don't want to rebate what I have and I like not having to paint on facing arcs.

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>>51620791
hybrid/nemesis wasn't a good game anon. i like the mini's and the setting tho, so i would play a remake with new rules. and maybe this time hire some good translators

>>51636286
It actually plays well.... once you use the community re-translation of the rules. It has a lot of tactics and replay value given the amount of different models that can be used in the game, and a good number of missions lead to games that are quite tense.

>>51591977
Is this a red mask or her skin color?

>>51636967

You posting from a phone? You can see the sides of her face and her ears if you look close enough

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>This gets announced just when Cadwallon starts a sale for all of their Confrontation figures
Fucking ace

>>51638808
Did you buy Bazuka?

>>51638834
No, I just got the Molochs (I can't believe that recasters do metal rather than resin), Kain, Ahsa, Black Paladins, and Asura. The pic in the OP shows that we will at least get Acheron out of the gate.

Merin what you're doing to me
I have spent all my years in believing you
But I just can't get no relief, Merin!
Somebody, can anybody give me the Knights of Redemption in metal?

>>51640004
>Griffin heavy cavalry, with miniatures of same quality than Alahan knights and RES15 or something
>Theses elites templars that never get their miniatures
>Thurbard to finally have a competent melee hero
By Merin, my erection is raging out of control, is it time for crusade yet ?

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>>51640852
Of Course Brother. MERIN LO VULT!

>>51621778
Ew.
Wash your bits, lady.

>>51591977
Why the Wolfen is carrying a Griffin Crux?

>>51642063
Looks like a hunting trophy

>>51604943
>>51604865
>>51604786
>>51604728
>>51604709
>>51604588

dat Paul Bonner. muh dick

Alright confrontation bros, if no one else can speak with the frogs I will translate this shit to the best of my ability (read as not much) for you.

Some interesting stuff tho

Apparently art continued to be made after 2010 when rackham 'died'

>>51642481
nevermind someone legit has it covered in the comments

>>51642481
This don't surprise me. They cannibalized the 'license' a lot beetween CoolMini and Cyanide.

>>51642481
I'm at work but what do you want translated ? >>51592442 seems to lead to nowhere.

But what about models?

>>51642604
I dunno but I better get some more god dang nipponuru gobbos or I will shit a brick.

There is going to be a English and German translation of the News soon. According to the FB page.

http://www.sans-detour.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/communique-confresurrection-EN.pdf

English Official Translation

>>51644560
>The armies of Light, Darkness and
Destiny are healing their wounds and get
prepared for new battles.
Does this mean that there will be alliances like AoS?

>>51593123
Just played through TiTS again.
Man's a saint.

>>51593123
I don't get it. Does that guy do a lot of gambling or something?

>>51646341
Where I can download actual version.

>>51646137
There has already been alliances in the last edition actually. But they're more soft alignements than real alliances if I recall

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>>51646137
Dunno about how AoS alliances work, but you not supposed to mix factions in your army in Conf'.
That aside, you got three big alliances. Ways of Light, Meanders of Darkness and Paths of Destiny (Good/Evil/Neutral).

>>51646496
>actual version
Their website has it for free. It's still not finished but they're a lot more content then the last time I played.

https://www.fenoxo.com/play-games/?age-verified=aea610be04

>>51643086
I would leave to see them release it, and consequently the game in Spanish.

>>51632274
Not really. The actual molds and mastered copies are catered, if they still exist. You can get most of the stuff from Cadwallon, but I imagine that Resurrection will have a new set of models. That said very little will stop you from using existing Confrontation figures in it. I am sure that my Acheron skeleton warriors will get along swimmingly with the inevitable new ones.

>>51591977
This looks cool is there anywhere to read up on the lore and setting?

>>51653891
See
>>51621778

>>51653891
there was also a fluff book that overviewed basically everything that came with the Rag Na Rok boxset.

>>51656248
I would like to add that the box set is really cheap online. It is less than $10 on miniatures market during sales. The minis are lame but everything else is solid.

>>51591977

I smell some Kickstarter scam here. Let that fucking game die along with the Dodo and the Amiga. Nobody need Confrontation anymore, is 2017. We have Age of Sigmar. Best rules, Best miniatures.

>>51659214
Great b8

>>51659251
>Implying that AoS is not the best game ever made.
Fucking normie.

>>51659275
>AoSkid calling someone normie
Well done reddit

>>51659302
>Say the faggot that play dead shit instead of the best wargame ever made.

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>>51591977
does anybody have images of the supposedly awful looking pre-painted miniatures? all I could find was pic related and it looks quite good desu

>>51659327
Fuck Off Faggot

>>51659315
>>Say the faggot that play dead shit
Oh swettie, my current game is much more alive than GW circlejerk for 8 years old kids

>>51659327
Isn't it old starter?

>>51659370
seems to be so. maybe it's just a bullshit photo, but if the miniatures look that good pre-painted I don't get why anyone would complain

>>51659387
People did complained about Age of Sigmar despite being the best game ever. Dissenters will inevitably abhor.

>>51659387
Is a meme. The game died because the rules were even more unbalanced than 40k. Only the most WAAC spergers played that game.

>>51659426
>shitposting so hard

>>51600092
>Also ensure that we can use our existing Confrontation minis

And kill the game right out of the gate, because what kind of retard would buy new models instead of using existing ones?

>>51659737
Guess what, this game is already dead and will stay, this is nothing but a scam.

>>51660513
>Guess what, this game is already dead and will stay,
Nice denial
Also, you guys already said the same in 2012 about X-wing

>>51660550
Except X-wing has never been a shitty game, Confrontation was a shitty game that only retarder Yuropenis could like. The world moves on is not 1996 anymore.

>>51591977
Refresh my memories. Was that the game with mind-controlled snakemen war/sex-slaves?

>>51660583
>Confrontation was a shitty game that only retarder Yuropenis could like.
Well, someone likes Agr of Sigmar, so ...

>>51660616
Age of Sigmar is the best game ever made, only butthurt WFB sissies that lost they favorite dildo can say otherwise.

>>51660628
Nice shitposting.
>Age of Sigmar
>best game ever made
It's not X-wing.

>>51660646
I don't like Starwars. Dumb movies for dumb kid.

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>>51660684
Is AoS so good then why it's so dead without GW life-support (aka GW-stores)?
>Dumb movies for dumb kid.
>meanwhile AoS marked 8+ age rating
>lower than Rogue One

>>51660725
Fine. But Confrontation is even worse.

>>51660743
>But Confrontation is even worse.
Since when? French artists always was more talented than their Anglo imitators and frogs now leaders of tabletop industry, sounds like a good chances for Confrontation comeback.

>>51660780
This is a joke right? Name something frog have ever done that was good.

>>51660804
>Name something frog have ever done that was good.
I've already posted it here: >>51660725

>>51660818
I dont see any frog there.

>>51660838
Well, that's your problem, but I guess blindness is common issue of GW audience.

>>51660867
Are you retarded? All the guy in that list are American save from GW.

>>51660878
>Are you retarded?
>a kid calls someone retarted
Cute
>All the guy in that list are American save from GW.
Except studio who was bought by Asmodee.

>>51660900
Except the American studio that has bought Asmodee. The guy that give order are A-OK, the Frog are there just to surrender like usual.
And X-Wings rules where copied from an Italian game to be fair. So much for Frog superiority.

>>51660928
>Except the American studio that has bought Asmodee.
Well nope, it's FFG now part of Asmodee: North America, not Asmodee part of FFG:Europe
>So much for Frog superiority.
Still better than Eternal Anglo "engineering"

>>51660948
And yet Confrontation will ever be shit. That game was nothing but shit. The biggest, smelling pile of shit ever made. Good luck in getting your money scammend but some Frog.
And Age of Sigmar is better than X-Wings anyway.

>>51660981
>The biggest, smelling pile of shit ever made.
But I didn't see GW logo in the OP-post.
>And Age of Sigmar is better than X-Wings anyway.
Nope.

>>51661000
You don't need to buy limited edition shit to win AOS, not so much for X-Wing being a Non-Collectible game.

By the way X-Wing Designer was born in America. So much for Frogs doing something good.

>>51661034
>You don't need to buy limited edition shit to win AOS
Yeah you just need to pay 34 euros for model and just roll 3+ to win.

>>51661064
Still better than X-Wing where you need to buy the SUPERMEGALIMITEDNOTMADANYMORE box to get a fucking card.

>>51661088
>Still better
Nope since X-wing is much more cheaper.

>>51661117
Wathever lies help you sleep at night Anon.

>>51661134
>Wathever lies
>says the man who plays Age of Sigmar
That's some really strong projections

>>51661152
>say the guy that has the balls to call X-Wing cheaper. CHEAPER.

This is some serious self deluding.

>>51661170
>surprised that almost any game cheaper than GW-thrash
You should be older than 8 years to post here.

>>51661190
>Say the guy that keep spreading his lies about a Sci-Fi games made by American in a thread about a Fantasy game made by French and yet is so bad at math tha tthink that X-Wing is cheaper while it is more expansive than even 40K.

Life must be hard for you.

>>51661230
>it's lieas, because I say so!
>it's truth because I say so!
GW-audience, GW-audience never changes

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Can we stop the e-peen contest and focus home interactive on Confrontation?

>>51659387
Painting quality wasn't bad at all, even if a few details were off sometimes.
The only reason is that Rackham parent company went under, and as a result all assets were sold to pay debts.
Such is liberalism.

>>51661691
>and focus on Confrontation?
Did they announced anything?

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>>51662336
Nothing precise yet.
I think they are communicating with the French and Italian confrontation "official" federation of players, tho, might be more stuff coming out of this in a few days.

>>51659737
You can't reliably get the old figures these days anyways. If they do this right the new figures will benefit from 10 years of technology and actually look better as well, so people will actually prefer them and want to by them.

>>51659327
>>51659466
No, some of the miniatures were actually quite awful. I'm not home at the moment so I can't take photos, but I couldn't even sell them in my country (that may also be because the game was dead on arrival, and died for good a few months after these pre-painted minis showed up). To be clear: minis were good (plastic version of their metal minis actually), but the painting was horrible.
Not sure about the rules though I never got the occasion to play the game even once

>>51663998
>To be clear: minis were good (plastic version of their metal minis actually)
Some where, but most couldn't compare to their metal equivalent, and the plastic was quite shit as things were prone to bend. Thought I guess that was enough for what they were supposed to be for.

>>51663456
>>51661691
I certainly don't think that the prepaints are that bad. They are much better than what Heroclix has going on at least. I just think that the metals were better as far as the detail goes, along with how much better the paint jobs can get if you paint them yourself.

Also what>>51664265
Said. Fuck bendy figures. Their key mistake was misunderstanding their audience.

>>51660804
I'll take the bait.
We invented bayonets, calculators, suspension bridges, photography, modern submarines, and arguably steam machines (google Denis Papin), aspirin (Gerhardt), planes (Ader) (we were the first to get a military airforce by the way), piston engines (we may have stolen these from the swiss if I recall well) and cars (Cugnot), theorized and tested vessel ligation and transfusion. If you want some fresh inventions, we can talk about the artificial heart of Carpentier, the dengue fever vaccine and a lot of progress in pneumatics. We also created the bases of the International System of Units that is used by every scientific all around the world (and basically everywhere except the US and the UK if I'm not mistaken). Assuming you're american, we also helped you being independant (it was mostly because of our rivalry with Britain but it should count for something). Our wine and champagne is also better than anything produced by the US, and our cooking also has a good reputation all around the world.

Ho, and Confrontation metal minis were really good even if the game wasn't.

>>51665701
Cheese Eating Surrendering Monkeys.
Your argument is invalid.

>>51665768
>Cheese Eating Monkeys
That part is 100% correct. American don't even know what cheese is. Protip: if it looks like a fuckin' plastic sheet, it isn't.

The announcement has been translated in english yesterday, for those who have not seen it

http://www.sans-detour.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/communique-confresurrection-EN.pdf

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>>51636629
ah, we did that for confrantation 3.5 and dogs of war. we ran a campaign wich was pretty cool but we never really bothered to make hybrid playable though. same thing with cadwallon, i just have the books voor being very nice books and the ragnarok box for the cool lore in the rulebook

>>51668070
>Dogs of War
>There are actual dogs involved
Sasuga Rackham