Pathfinder General /pfg/

We were on page four, you fuckhead.

From the old thread:
Heroes of the High Court: >>51581212
Psychic Anthology: >>51581879

Enjoy all the noble privilege and occult pimping shenanigans.

>>51584423
If he doesn't post early, how could he post his shitty ugly art??

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What are the best lewd ways to use the Lover's Breath, the Choker of Body Alteration, and the material manipulator's Revision?

>>51584466
I want to murder you.

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>>51584466

The Choker of Body Alteration has so many uses for characters in mid/high level campaigns that it's just hard to list them all! Do you want to play as a sexy trap disguised as a girl for reasons unknown, or maybe a voluptuous young woman who is actually a young girl relishing the adult attention she is receiving, only to stumble and stutter when someone's advances turn sexual?

Ooh~, it's the best!

>>51584484

Why would you say that, anon? This is all official Paizo material.

>>51584504
>making everything lewd
And this is why /pfg/ fucking sucks. Not everything is about dicks, twats, and intercourse you sex-starved loser.

>>51584512
I want to wrap my hands around your thin little fucking neck and squeeze till you turn blue before chopping you up into pieces and feeding them to my hogs.

>>51584517

Of course it isn't, but Paizo has just given us an entire book dedicated to dicks, twats and intercourse!

Y'all realize this shit is why /pfg/ is the containment general for this board right? No one respects Pathfinder.

>>51584577

After the stuff from last thread, I'd rather like to see Pathfinder die.

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>>51584535
>an entire book
>when there was at best two-three pages in two 36-page books
>and those two-three pages at best teased implications and didn't outright say anything

???

>>51584605

Nobody gives a fuck about those pages, anon! We only care about those items.

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Here are my picks for Fluffy2. If anyone wants my reasoning for any pick, I'm willing to give it.

#1: Ryu(ko) Fuwashita
#2: Kimbrely R. Hemford
#3: Jianshi Li
#4: Ihagi Naoi

But scheduling can change this. So I've got a list of runners-up. If any of my main picks can't make a schedule, I'll contact a runner-up in this priority order.

Runner-up #1: Lasval Remy
Runner-up #2: Musuhime
Runner-up #3: Sechi Kochi
Runner-up #4: Akane Kohakuren
Runner-up #5: Ri Jiezou

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>>51584638

>>51584577
No one was going to respect us anyway.

How about we talk about the Peerless Courtier feat, which allows you to use your BAB instead of ranks for a face skill?
How about the way it can sinergize with a 3pp class, by LRGG (the Gonzo guys), that has more than full BAB (it gets +25 at 20th level)?

>>51584648

We used to be respectful before we became associated with lewd, but I kind of like that now!

What would you do with the Lover's Breath or the Choker of Body Alteration?

>>51584638
>FoxDie isn't even on the list
Low quality judgement.

>>51584628
Those two-three pages are THE ONLY THING you fucks seem to care about, because that's where that shit was located.

>>51584730

It's not like the other pages offered anything substantial.

Paizo had an entire book to describe and detail the workings of Courtly Politics in Golarion. And they failed.

You know what this means? Paizo has shit the bed so hard that the setting is basically worthless now. We might as well just focus on things that get our jollies off.

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>>51584646
Which one are you?

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>>51581714

Does the age effect of the Choker of Bodily Alteration mean virtually nothing for long-lived races?

An elf or a youkai kitsune would get virtually nothing out of that effect...

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>>51584748
Intrigue is shit anyway

Trawl dungeons, get money, fuck bitches, rinse and repeat til you get too old to fight and go down trying to take out some punk ass Demon/Empyreal lord depending on your alignment.

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>>51584638
>both healsluts

>>51584748
there were several excellent archetypes that were not lewd in the slightest.

How about Righteous Orator, that allows a Paladin to be David Webster and out lawyer a Devil. And then literally kick him in the ass.

>>51584807

Nobody cares.

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>>51584789

But I LIKE looking like a right proper ponce!

I LIKE being noble!

And Paizo killed it! Killed it proper! Why should I give a damn about this thread or you guys now?

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>>51584855
Are you Sohyon?

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>>51584638
>mfw three of us are in another game together as well
>mfw the other players are in your runner ups

>>51584852
Then stay home and butter your scones and drink your tea in your fancy dress, homo.

Real motherfuckers are going on adventures.

>>51584512
Don't bring your fetishes in here faggot.

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>>51584868

Is this going to complicate your other games together?

>>51584882

I didn't bring my fetishes in here, anon.

Paizo did.

And since Paizo made it official material, I'm going to support it. Why shouldn't I support it, anon?

>>51584881
>Real motherfuckers are going on adventures.

>Noblemen can't be real motherfuckers.

>>51584882

Kek, I actually meant >>51584525 and his faygo John Wayne Gacey routine but you too, >>51584512 .

What do you think of this feat /pfg/

>Benefit: As a full-round action, make a combat maneuver. This combat maneuver doesn't provoke an attack of opportunity. If you have a feat or ability that allows you to attempt the combat maneuver without provoking an attack of opportunity, you instead gain a +2 bonus against any opponent that has been hit by an attack of opportunity or moved since your last turn, and you can make the combat maneuver with a ranged attack.

>Special: This feat counts as having Dex 13, Int 13, Combat Expertise, and Improved Unarmed Strike for the purposes of meeting the prerequisites of the various improved combat maneuver feats, as well as feats that require those improved combat maneuver feats as prerequisites.

>>51584905
>Noblemen can't be real motherfuckers.
Did I stutter, you blue-blooded bitch?

>>51584933

Yeah you did, you mud-faced goat-fucker.

Or should I call you for what you really are? Poor?

>>51584915
It looks like Dirty Fighting?

>>51584961
Like Dirty Fighting, except different

How about we talk about Phantom Entourage, AKA, always having people going "OH BURN" when you insult other people? Always having a chorus for singing.

At the same time the coolest and most pathetic item ever.

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>>51584883
I don't think so. If Kon Kon wants to join, I even have an open space. if he's interested in utter degeneracy with a side of bloodborne

>>51584984

Can we talk about the Choker of Body Alteration instead?

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>>51584984
>with a witty remark a group of phantom mwangi teenagers appears behind the gnome and begin to jeer at you as well

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Aside from Blistering Invective, is there any way to cause Intimidate checks to inflict physical damage? I want my character's entire fighting style to be roasting opponents.

>>51585091
>Arithmancy
>Ask your opponent to guess a number
SIKE!
THAT'S THA WRONG NUMBAH!

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>>51584748
>It's not like the other pages offered anything substantial.
Oh fuck right off, BLINGOMANCER is hype as fuck.

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Should I go for Warlord || Fighter (Weapon Master) for a Kingmaker Swordlord, or Warder (ZS) || Fighter (Weapon Master)?

>>51584657
Also, the new Human ART that gives you Persuasive and counts your CHA as 2 higher for feats! Eldritch Heritage builds got really nice now, especially for characters like Fighters who want that tasty Orc Bloodline.

>>51585098
I believe there's a rage power that deals sonic damage to intimidated targets

>>51585145
Neither.

That's stupid redundant.

>>51584807
Yeah I really like the new Monk Archetype that stacks with Scaled Fist!

I don't know what the anon in the other thread was on about them not stacking they have no conflicting changes.

>>51585098
If Sphere Casting is allowed you could take Skilled Casting:Perform Comedy, specialize in Destruction and BOTH FIGURATIVELY AND LITERALLY ROAST NIGGAS TO DEATH.

Posting here just in case
>>51584897
>Alright, I have it installed but it's only letting me make a pdf of 1 image at a time, how do I get it to join them?

>>51585165
Bonus feats alteration. No stacking for you.

>>51584788
Paizo's humanocentric, news at 11.

>>51585159

Then what should I do?!

>>51585177
But a Strix or Orc can look like a fetus, or dead.

It's great.

>>51585182
What's your concept?

>>51585165
Yes they do. Archetypes that give you extra bonus feats alter that feature, which includes Scaled Fist. By Paizo rules you can't stack two archetypes that alter or replace the same feature.
A lot of DMs I've met waive it if there's no actual conflict, but that's RAW.

>>51585182
ZS/Artisan, of course.

>>51585205

Zweihander Sentinal || Artisan doesn't sound useful, anon.

>>51585217
>magic item crafting
>not useful

>>51585217
It's not. It's one of the meme characters from RotJR.

>>51584382
I think my first pursued romance was my glory bound hero of good (two-handed fighter) savings a woman from a life of slavery.

My most interesting was my LE Dragon Disciple Sorcerer the manipulated the party U.Rogue into being "His" and turned her into his lover and Assassin.

>>51585197

I want to play an overly ambitious Rostlander who was (r)ejected from the academy after cheating on his examinations (namely, using a Wayfinder and cracked ioun stone to give him mastery of the Aldori Dueling sword a decade before he was ready.)

I want to make him someone that is either ideal for the role of king, or the role of general.

>>51585176
Except it doesn't? It does not say it alters, replaces, or modifies bonus feats. It says it adds optional powers you can take in place of a feat. That allows me to stack them.

>>51585203
Except adding things to a list isn't an alteration it's an addition? It would make absolutely no sense for them not to stack since it doesn't explicitly say 'This alters bonus feats' in the textline.

>>51585145
Firstly, where's this Kingmaker game? Is there signing-up?

>>51585263
>Firstly, where's this Kingmaker game? Is there signing-up?

It's the one on Myth-Weavers!

>>51585217
ZS covers you in combat, Artisan covers you in downtime (with Magic Items).
No crazy synergy, but it's fun to always be doing Something.

>>51584334
Oi shitcunt. I tried. Where are you to hold up the other side of the conversation?

Only answer I got was >>51585028

So back to lewd posting I go.

I do like the Choker. It has a pretty good duration, can do genderbender and can do some nifty age alteration, but the weight and height changes aren't all that.

Still, for a non-lewd use, you can use the choker to have children going out and being adventurers.

Kid gets a choker (his parents have a pair of them for special nights), uses it to join the army, convince the other recruits that he is an adult cursed to look like a kid and that the choker keeps the curse at bay. The naive recruits believe it and help hide it from the sargent.
Hijinks ensue.

>>51585250
Scaled Fist modifies bonus feats.

Invested Regent gives you more options for your bonus feats fro 2nd level and on, which WOULD stack with Scaled Fist, just like Qinggong and Primalist stack with other archetypes, but it ALSO replaces your 1st level bonus feat.

Both alter your bonus feats. RAW they do not stack.

>It would make absolutely no sense.
Welcome to Paizo.

>>51585306
>Where are you to hold up the other side of the conversation?

Anon... You just responded to me. I've embraced focusing on lewd and cuteposting over trying to improve the general.

>>51585307
>Replace
>Alter
Do I even need to say it? I guess I will. Altering and replacing are NOT the same thing. There is still no reason for them to not stack.

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Yo, adding the content from Psychic Anthologies to the kinteicist guide at the moment, gonna try to get it all updated tonight.

>>51585274
Please give a link! If you are who I think you are, just send it to me over Skype!

>>51585344
>A character can take more than one archetype and garner additional alternate class features, but none of the alternate class features can replace or alter the same class feature.
Can you try reading?

>>51585249
Warlord//Bard, using Oratory. You're such a good leader, the people around you are insanely better and more courageous. Your speeches inflame the heart. You also have the skills of a scholar or at least a well tutored noble.

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>>51585357

Awawawa~, if you think it's me than send me the first message.

>>51585357
>>51585373
You two should be embarrassed to know each other

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So fags, if this is the kind of thread we're gonna have, then tell me: How many sessions will it take before each of the RotJR groups has their first "encounter"? Following up, which group, and which PC, will be the first one for it?

>>51585353
Was that you last thread, going through the kineticist stuff one by one without your trip?

>>51585362
Can you not read? Neither archetype ALTERS the same thing, one REPLACES. It is not the same thing. Since both don't REPLACE the 1st level bonus feat, and both don't ALTER bonus feats, they stack. Or did you not get trained in reading comprehension as a child?

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>>51585395
Nah, I only forget my trip once and then mumble about trips being uncool.

>>51585393
Meme team has already started with Onryou stuffing Aranha with food

>>51585395
No, that was probably someone I used to game with. Did he post any sort of technology, giant robots, or lasers?

>>51585440

>Implying it won't be Casimir stuffing the silk merchant with his Kielbasa

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>>51585397

Is this anon serious?

>>51585397
Anon, WE KNOW WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. What WE'RE TELLING YOU is that paizo is retarded and by THEIR OWN WORDS they claim those will not stack by RAW. Devs have said "yea GMs can just allow it if they want", but they EXPLICITLY SAY, ANY ALTERATION AT ALL to the same feature will make two archetypes not stack. Anything. Ever. Of any kind.

>>51585397
Okay, let's walk you through it.

An archetype alters or replaces a class feature this new class feature is an alternate Class Feature. A character with an alternate Class Feature no longer counts as having the original class feature. If it does not have the original class feature it can no longer qualify for an archetype that replaces or alters that same class feature.

Before you ask, yes, adding bonus feats is considered an alternate class feature, as per http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fn#v5748eaic9thg.

If you take Scaled Fist you have altered the Monk's Bonus Feats class feature. You no longer count as having bonus feats as a class feature, and cannot trade them out via Invested Regent.

This is RAW, Advanced Player's Guide, page 72, with the relevant FAQ.

>>51585397
What >>51585464 said; it's why Vivisectionist technically can't stack with anything, because it ADDS A SINGLE OPTION to your Discoveries, and thus can't stack with ANYTHING that trades away or gives you even more Discovery options. It's why Myrmidon Fighter had to get a new clause before it went to print with its skills; it was intended to stack with Lore Warden, but Paizo being fucktarded said "nope that doesn't work, they both add skills" so Forrest had to write a new clause for it to stack.

>>51585397
That is what a reasonable, competent, logical company would write.
Why in the nine layers of Hell would you think Paizo is reasonable, logical or competent?
They literally said that adding options counts as altering the class feature. It fucked PoW so now all their archetypes have to have a paragraph explaining that they stack. So RAW, you're fucked. A nice GM might allow it, but it's GM dependant.

>>51585497
Instead of rattling your tits and going UMMMMM UMMMMMM UMMMMMMMMMMMMMM like a purple-haird tumblr cunt you can just ignore that rule

How do you kill an epic level wizard run by an extremely competent player.

Anti magic fields wont work because he has feats that let him cast dimension door to just blink out of it.

He has a plethora of save or die spells and were a little too scared to try and just rush him down in combat.

anyone got any ideas?

>>51585517
>like a purple-haird tumblr cunt

Umm, can you just... Not?

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How common and visible is slavery in Osirion? I need to know how often my Andoran character is going to chimp out and try to liberate the people.

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>>51585517
Nobody's saying you can't ignore that rule you drooling retard, we're saying that it technically cannot and you should keep that in mind going forward, because at least half of this thread has been burned by dumb shit like that before.

We are telling you to stop being so excited and run blindly through doors, because those doors tend to be tripwired and rigged to explode in your face.

>>51585517
Anon.
A lot of GMs will allow it.
But you cannot.
Assume your GM will allow it.
If you are the GM.
You can allow it.
If you are not the GM.
You can ask your GM to allow it.
But if your GM does not allow it.
He is not making up rules.

>>51585517
... Are you fucking stupid, anon? Any reasonable GM /will/ ignore that rule. But there's GMs out there that will obey the RAW. And we're telling you this, because if you ever get into a game unlikely with your attitude you'll need to know that to avoid getting into an argument.

>>51585451
He did mention using Aether Architect and Knowledge:Engineering to make shenanigans with clockwork and steam engines.

>>51585519
Nope, you can't kill a smart players Wizard by playing fair or with Purely in game means.

You either cheat as a GM or play mind games at the table and get the player to make a mistake.

Either result will most likely leave the player feeling betrayed.

>>51585563
Alright, it's that guy then, thought so. It's a running theme with, like, all of his characters.

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>>51585119
>Dat Swag Skull
>>51585353
You are some sort of hero, I didn't know the guide was still getting updated. Where is the link to it?

>intended post to go with image
So, Aether Architect. Are these scintillating aether structures see-through? Do they generate light? Do they weigh anything? Eh, on to the math!

No burn, takes 10 min, and is at minimum 30 hardness with 360 hp per chunk, with 18 ten foot cubes worth of space. Attach it to whatever you want to put it in place and then take one measly burn to make it instant duration (aka, permanent but not Permanent cause dispel shenanigans).
Now here is the big thing, the last sentence. When you take that point of burn (because why the fuck wouldn't you? Want to risk your whole fortification going down because you missed one round of concentration?) you get to just keep using the ability, adding another 18 cubes worth of architecture every 10 min.
So for reference, Windsor castle is the biggest castle in England and a good example. It is 590,240 square feet, and just doing simple math for this instance, it would take 328 castings, or 55 hours to build. Assume time to sleep and you can build it in 3 and a half days for a driven builder, a week for a hobbyist.
This isn't even including the shit you can get up to with traps and built in features depending on your knowledges and so on. I'm already thinking of great edifices hidden in the mountains where the greatest telekinetics have created structures to rival the work of the gods, stronger than adamantine that will outlast the mountain that they're built upon.

What would you build?
And for the mega projects, the Great Wall could be done in less than a year by a single driven adventurer. How's that for leaving your mark on the world?

>>51585553
Check the trove and find the Osirian specific Campaign Setting book, it should tell you all you need to know.

>>51585581
how do I play unfair? I mean it will most likely be 4v1, but most wizards have friends around. Or they figure out who the threat is and just save or die or save or suck them and then mop the party up

>>51584664
>implying we were ever respected
>with how much this board hates 3.x of all kinds

My sweet summer child.

>>51584382
Conversely, has your character ever made an effort to prevent any and all forms of love from taking root in the party?

>>51585563
>>51585451
>>51585591
Nope, that was me over here at >>51585593 just being giddy over the idea of playing lego/minecraft on such a scale in character. Hope I got all my math right, wondering what else I can mix this with to add in to get things like food/water/fire etc and have my character just go around leaving ready made castles in his path.

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What is the comfiest country in Golarion?

Like, assume I'm not talking in terms of political climate. If I was able to find a slice of land that was away from the politicking, away from the war, or away from the strife... Which country would be the best place to find that slice of land?

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This is how I plan to model my next paladin around.

Im taking the Guardian Spirit trait, Untapped potential trait as well.

Toughness feat at lvl 1. Anything else?

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>>51585593
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1utgJVtJStEtZ8B923VWFYKIx6kbWQS_44zSMOb8rkT0/edit

>>51585591
sounds like my kind of guy.

>>51585395
That was me. I am a random anon. The general theme reading that kineticist stuff was "OH WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU DO NOW".

>>51585635
8 wisdom

>>51585635
>>51585636

HOW

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>>51585635
wtf meant to be a picture of this guy

>>51585635
>>51585636
Some sort of wizard shit going on here.

>>51585671
>>51585679
idk man

>>51585671
It's a bug in 4chan. Sometimes if things get posted at EXACTLY the same time, you get images switched or overwritten.

>>51585677
It happens, pal.

>>51585464
>>51585496
>>51585497
>>51585512

Why is Paizo not only this stupid, but this lazy. It's just ludicrous. I'd go play 5th edition if A: It wasn't so devoid of content and B: If anyone I knew even bothered playing it.

Not the same anon that's been arguing, just tired of lurking.

On a positive not, and, hopefully change of topic. What characters have you been up to building of late? I'm working on a Shadow Mystery/Tongues Oracle (they like swearing at people in Aklo). General idea is they use sensory altering save or suck/die spells in order to battlefield control, fights with a glaive (worships Shelyn and I also just love Bladed Brush exists). Since the Shadow mystery gives you perfect sight in any level of darkness magical or otherwise, and none of the light/sun/blind/dazzle spells on the Oracle/Cleric list are really detrimental to the user.

The only thing I want to find out is if there's an item that helps deal with blinding/dazzling effects of bright light/spells/sla's? Like a magic item or some shit.

>>51585667
yeah purposely nerfed his int and wis scores

>>51585711
I know anon. They've got the hobby by the balls.

I'm full up on games, so now I'm just looking to advance my current builds. I've got a Slayer 7/SoW 2 and now I'm looking for a new feat for 9th level.

>>51585611
OK
How much do you know about him?
School, specialization, spells, I need to All to help you. Player ran Wizards are a Serious deal, because they're only Real w weaknesses are the players weaknesses.

I want to be a pretty pretty princess.

How do I become a pretty pretty princess?

>>51585761
probably a generalist wizard with high saves, but knows probably every spell in the game. I think he has dimension door as a swift action if things get sticky for him, so maybe something that bars travel?

>>51585795
3rd party class
Sparkle Princess in Gonzo 2.

How comfy is Kalsgard?

I want to know if I should buy a house there.

>>51585319
Well, what are your opinions on the non-sexual idea for the choke? Kid Steve Rogers going to war and fooling his squad into thinking he's an adult. Does a three year tour of duty, comes back a veteran at twelve years old, and joins a group of adventurers. The wizard might notice that he's not cursed but using the choker to become an adult, but fuck it, it's not the weirdest thing he's seen. The paladin never catches on, but has a weirdly maternal/paternal feeling on the fighter and can't quite point out why.

Actually a similar story could be made with a street urchin that steals a choker to join the Guild as a thief instead of being abused and living in the gutter. Or an arcane prodigy that made a choker to gain the respect his arcane skill. Or a holy chosen one that uses the choker to pass as an adult and run away from the church.

BAM! Entire party of children trying to pass as grown-ups to each other without realizing the others are kids. Entire non-lewd campaign using the chokers. At most the wizard and the cleric think the other is flirting, try to act like they think adults act when they're being lewd, but never go further than hand holding. The rogue, raised in the streets, and the fighter, was in the army, know about lewd things and get super embarassed, so they always find excuses to go away when the other two are trying to be lewd, thus never realizing the mage and cleric are actually just holding hands.

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>>51585630
Hwanggot!

Hwanggot is objectively, canonically the most peaceful land in all of Golarion.

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>>51585630
>>51585850
The princess is also secretly a sexy kumiho!

>>51585711
Mostly focused on setting up a new group right now, got sick of my old group's shit.

I did finish up a Warrior Spirit/Item Mastery Fighter/Swordmaster 3pp class for the (I think) /pfg/ Shattered Star game yesterday, so pretty much done building until I get the hankering to join a game and not run one in like, three more years.

>>51585795
There's the Royal class.
That's what I'm using for my Pretty Pretty Dragon Princess.

>>51585795
>>51585821
3rd party, also by the guys who made Gonzo, the Noble class, focusing on doing morale damage and making enemies surrender to you. Free on the Paizo store.

>>51585873
>The princess is also secretly a sexy kumiho!

[Citation Needed]

>>51585795
>>51585821
Sparkle Princess comes from a war town candy-side where even the sugar rivers seek to send you to an early diabetic grave.
THey literally have class features called Atrocities, which they use to fuckin' murder things and drain the sparkle out the blood of their enemies.

So, probably not the intent of the player here.

>>51585915
Shit. WAR TORN.

>>51585838
Cold places are always the comfiest, because you have an excuse to huddle up by the fire.
But Kalsgard is run by a guy called "Blood Eagle"
So it's a tossup.

>>51585873
>>51585911
[citation wanted]

>>51585932
>But Kalsgard is run by a guy called "Blood Eagle"

Blood Eagle's a legitimately good guy, anon.

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>>51585746
>>51585877
Well I wish both of you anons the best of luck in your searches for quality builds and groups seriously though sometimes it can be a bitch to find the right feat for certain characters in the level 9-15 range. I'm lucky enough to have one group I can play with and with enough spare time to have a rotating closet of reserve characters.

>>51585873

Why is Ahri doing the whole "sexy and bashful" look when she's the biggest slut in League of Legends?

>>51585805
So, if you have a way to get the fighter "disruptive" feat chain, do it. At the highest tier, any spell cast in his reach will provoke an AoO and boost the caster check to use the spell by the amount of damage and twice the spell lv (if the fighter hit for 30HP and the wiz is casting 6th lv spell, the concentration check is now 42 to Cast the spell). I also recommend getting combat Reflexes for more spell AoOs

Next, if he isn't divination you can surprise him. Try to think up a good surprise attack.

Finally, find ways to either boost your Own saves or not need to make one. This is going to be A Lot harder to do.

The main plan should be getting the person with the disruptive feat chain up to the wizard as soon as possible, makings him trying to escape or "savery or die" anyone a living nightmare.

Also, what lv is the target?

>>51585711
I was making a Bloodborne Hunter from the homebrew the guys was doing last couple of threads. Gonna put him into a party and run some encounters check if it's really balanced. Maybe give some better feedback if I see his post again.

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Alright fags I'm the guy from four threads ago that asked about making a huge google doc/pastebin of /pfg/-created NPCs for people to use in their campaigns but I got distracted and have been fucking around with the formatting.

So far I've gotten these guidelines:
>20 point buy(?)
>Standard gold per level for equipment
>No restrictions on class or level, just make whatever you want
>Try to make ambiguous backgrounds so they can easily be drag-and-dropped into any campaign, no setting specific backgrounds or goofy shit like specific noble families.

Not really sure how gestalt characters are going to work. I guess they'll be accepted but then placed in their own category.

Either way I've discovered I'm hopelessly incompetent at using google docs. The option is to either allow for two pages on the document per character, one for stats and the other for background/images. An alternative is to use pastebin and just have people link Mythweaver sheets, which may be easier but than runs the risk of having bad links everywhere if people delete characters.

Help me out here.

>>51585978
Excellent! Love Bloodborne, simple enough setting to put into place but the real trick punt totally intended is the weapons and getting down the innate functions of a Hunter. Realistically they are a combination of Fighter, Alchemist, and a pinch of Gunslinger. Fast, two weapon fighters with a myriad of tools at their disposal and flexible weapons that cover damage types, reach, elemental damages, and so on.

I had the oppourtunity to play a Gestalt game where I went Fighter/Alchemist, and went for a Kirkhammer build. Was a lot of fun, party appreciated the utility the Alchemist side brought and how prepared my weapon pool allowed me to be for any enemy.

>>51585991
I want to be a big Knight protecting my lady from the filthy peasantry.

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Hey WotRaunchy GM, if you're in the thread, what do you look for in an application?

Are you more interested in how lewd an app can be, or how fleshed out the character concept is? Also, what's the optimization sweet spot--not too over-the-top, or as near to the ceiling as it can be?

>>51586096
I want to be a big Lady Knight protecting my lord from the filthy peasantry.

>>51586096
>>51586110

You're in luck, then. We got a Fighter archetype today that's all about protecting someone.

>>51586101
I'm in a different game with the GM, and I can at least tell you what optimization levels they look for.

Basically, try and keep it in line with the part - the characters should be reasonably optimized, but once you get into near undefeatable gimmicks the GM will be forced to arms race you and that's fun for nobody - I played a tentaclebeast superbrappler for a while, and the GM still gets flashbacks to it.

Basically, go for "optimized, but not superpowered"

>>51584865

I dunno if that's her, but I thought Sohyon had a guaranteed spot. She's my favorite big titty fox out of all the applicants.

>>51586066
The homebrew solved the weapon problem by having trick weapons as a class feature. I like it.

>>51586151
Supergrappler*

Fuck, I need to sleep.

>>51586110

Would you protect me, anon?

>>51586131
And it's actually good! Strength based Combat Reflexes, Cut/Smash from the Air ahoy!
>>51586170
Are you __cute__?

>>51586151

Tentaclebeast supergrappler? What's overoptimized about that?

So there's a character in my campaign that has a cursed set of dice. If he does not roll them every 8 hours, he becomes exhausted. When he does roll them, he gets a buff for each pair he gets. The party hasn't encountered him yet, but I'd like to make sure the dice actually seem useful in case a player decides they want to roll them.

1 - +1 Dodge bonus to AC (increase to +2 if you have 2 pairs, +3 if you have 3 pairs) for the next minute.
2 - +1 to attack rolls (increase to +2 if you have 2 pairs, +3 if you have 3 pairs) for the next minute.
3 - +1 to damage rolls (increase to +2 if you have 2 pairs, +3 if you have 3 pairs) for the next minute.


I'm having trouble figuring what 4, 5 and 6 should be. Any suggestions?

>>51586202
Throat Slicer, mostly. I was playing an Aegis, got up to huge size through shenanigans, powerful build to let me grapple colossal beasties, and then basically anything that didn't have freedom of movement was my bitch.

Is Duettist Bard viable?

>>51586197

I'm downright adorable, anon.

>>51586243
Then no. I guard for rulers who command respect and draw attackers, not children who need a wetnurse.

>>51586212
Do they have limits on use? Or a punishment for not getting any pairs, say? If not, I'd say that's the least cursed cursed item I've seen.

>>51586101
Don't have the set goal of soloing everything in sight. That's my stance on optimization.

How lewd an app can be is not a concern, but if a player says "I'm not interested in +18 material at all / I don't want to see it" then they're less likely to be picked. A character that is just fetish bait and has no character or idea behind it aside from getting ass isn't going to get far here.

How fleshed out a character is depends, you're level 1 so I don't want some hyper "experienced" general strolling in already ordering the crusades from day one. Give me something to work with, give yourself something to build on, have a character that has room for growth.

>>51586202
Grab enemy from 30ft away, not in range? Oh don't worry they can nyoom right up and snatch them. Pull onto spiked armor then get ready for Throat Slicer next round. Oh also, Warder so there's a big "fuck you" around them. More so than the usual Warder "fuck you" zone, I still grumble about it any time "throat slicer", "fiendish marauder" warder, or "pin" is brought up. Buuut that ain't to say I'm angry about it, I learned better.

>>51586296
Punishment for not getting any pairs would be a good idea.

I figured I'd start with it being lenient and then slowly bring it down to being more punishing but worth using.

Maybe if you don't get any pairs you become fatigued until you get a pair?

>>51586294
But they're all the more beloved because of how adorable they are. Combine with competence to get plenty of respect, and they're a prime target for kidnapping and other heinous things.

>>51584865
Yes, or should I say...I never got to be Sohyon.

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>>51585119
I have to ask...where is this from? Where is all this supposedly kinky shit being mentioned up thread from?

Is it Heroes of the High Court? If so how have people gotten a hold of it early? I didn't think it came out till the end of Feb.

>>51586351

Not only, but perhaps they're still in the flower of youth, and still clinging to the childlike innocence of days long by for the lady knight.

This would in fact compound her mission, to not only protect her liege but to help him grow up into the dashing example of chivalry and honor he was meant to be.

didnt make it in the runner ups again boys

that was the 7th, going for 10 now

if you thought my previous apps were bland and boring youre gonna be blown out the park by my next shit.

>>51586389
ShareAnon is a time traveler.

>>51586389
I would also like this answered

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>>51586389
check last thread. Link's in the OP. it has both Psychic Anthology and Heroes of the High Court, courtesy of ShareAnon

>>51586333
A Compulsion effect to spend a Move action every round rolling until you get at least 3->2->1 pairs, maybe? I just see this being turned into the most powerful magic item they've gotten without some form of drawback.

Perhaps a penalty for getting the same pair in different roles, probably reversing the effects. So, like:
>Roll 1:
6 1's
>Roll 2:
2 1's, 2 6's, etc

So you'd get +3 AC the first round, but since you hoped on Lady Luck and got greedy, now you take -3 AC for the next minute. But you did get your pair of 6's, which functions as normal. See what I mean? It's thematic for magic gambling dice and means you shouldn't just spam it constantly.

Also, I would double the effects of #3- +1 Attack is equivalent to +2 Damage, roughly- see Weapon Focus/Specialization.

>>51586433
Appreciate it.

>>51586389
Paizo subscribers get it early.

>>51586459
So, compulsion to roll until you've gone through 3 pairs, 2 pairs and 1 pair, then you're free from them until the 8 hour timer expires, and then repeat pairs gives you an inverse of what their actual buff is?

I like it.

>>51586389
The choker of pedophilia and genderbender and the perfume of feminizing are from Heroes of High Court.
The master of all transformation fetishes Mesmerist is from Psychic Anthology.

>>51586389
See >>51584448

>>51586422

>Reply hazy, try again later

>>51586581
ShareAnon is a time traveler with a Magic 8 Ball.

So what kind of things can we make with the Phantom Blade?

Sounds like ora ora ora ora ora is in the books.

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>>51586401
Which app was yours?

>>51586616

For which game?

>>51586595

Any kinda mystic swordsman or punchartist

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>>51586677
Fluffy!

So I know this isn't a 3.5 thread, but I couldn't find anywhere that seemed more fitting. If I wanted to make a character that captures Vergil's fighting style from DMC (teleporting in, hitting people at a distance with your sword ala dimension cut, sheathing and unsheathing for attacks almost instantly, etc) how would I best go about it? I'm not planning to use a katana 'cause I don't want to be a total edgelord, but Vergil's flashy-ass combat style is something I'd love to emulate if there's a way to do it. Any suggestions?

>>51587011
Oh I forgot to mention I can pull classes from the homebrew dnd wiki, and I can use any books from 3.5 as long as I can find the information somewhere to show it.

>>51587011
Book of the Nine Swords is your best bet I know of. But as you said, this is /pfg/, so there may be better options. But BotNS has martial magic, basically, which fits your teleporting and distance-striking, I think.

>>51587011
Wasn't Vergil the Thunderbird 2 pilot?

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>>51585978
>>51586153
Glad to see that the class is going somewhere! If you have any questions I'd be happy to help (you're free to leave them on the doc if you any in the future and I'm not around in the thread).

I'm looking forward to finding out how things go. How is your hunter shaping up?

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>>51584638
I guess I'll just kill myself.

>>51587251
Hey, I've seen that before. Let's cry together anon.[/sub]

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>>51584382
So coincidently, I just got done running my first module ever for Pathfinder.

And I got to ask...is the inclusion of possible waifu's common for modules?

Crown of the Kobold King had three alone, one of which was a Kobold and two which explicitly state they will pursue male PCs romantically.

Pic related, the actual description describes the kobold as "particularly stunning"

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>>51587352

There's a strong fetish undercurrent to Pathfinder, it's why there's so many fucking lewdposters in /pfg/

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Hey I'm coming from Fantasy Craft because I joined a new group. I LOVE playing a Sage in Fantasy Craft and I've been looking through the Pathfinder books to find something similar. The closest things seem to be bard and investigator but there are key things that don't really fit. For people that don't know these are the key traits of the Sage.

>Int Wisdom are primary stats
>Don't cast any magic/aren't magic characters
>6 + int x 4 skills a level and at level 1 they select 4 extra skills to become class skills and they immediately gain 2 ranks in all of them.
>They basically have bardic inspiration from 5e
>They can increase the error range of a party members skill check to drastically reduce the time requirement
>A certain amount of times each encounter(scene) they can let party members use the highest skill bonus in the group for checks
>every 4 levels they can rip class abilities from other classes
>They can give dramatic speeches to recover 1/2 of each party members total vitality
>They can choose temporary chance feats
>They can create their own luck (once per session the GM does something like make a contact show up at exactly the right time, makes things fall into place, etc they basically mold fate)
>They increase the entire parties starting action dice (these are used for critical hits and stuff, its a "luck" thing).

Pretty much the basis of the class is a Jack of All Trades that is a party leader and provides plot armor for his party.

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>>51587398
I'm newish to pathfinder and using modules in general, just kind of surprised

It really doesn't help that my few magical realm tendency is half orcs and cutiebolds. When I read that I really wasn't sure how to feel.

>>51587426
Not anything in paizo content

>>51587467
Fug ;_;

>>51587426

Probably the closest you'll get in 1PP content is a Cavalier, Bard, Skald, Drill Sergeant Fighter, or Battle Herald

>>51587531

And Holy Tactician Paladin and Sensei Monk, can't forget them

>>51587426

There is no class that fits all requirements.

Bard is probably the closest, for the "party buffing and dice manipulation" aspect.

Investigator is closest for the Int and Skills.

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Gearing up to play in a semi-erotic online game and the GM agreed to let me play a Gelatinous Cube (from the DSP April fool's book last year) with the Human Form feat for free. He said he's more or less down with it, but wants to make a couple of modifications, mainly involving reducing the power of its paralysis ability.

I'm looking for some idea on what a decent class to go for might be. The race has 4 levels, but after that I can go into anything. My first thought was Kineticist to take advantage of it's +16 to Constitution. But an Aegis seems like it could also be pretty good since it could grant faster movement speed boost, the ability to fly, plus create armor which otherwise could be fairly difficult to get access to.

As an ooze the character will be blind and only has blindsight 60 feet, which is going to be a pain in the ass.

Any other ideas?

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>>51587616
Crimson Countess actually still works, since engulfing enemies still works when you're in the big blood pool form. The Crimson Cube is something a friend of mine loves to talk about.

Warder could also be nice, as large size and absolutely staggering constitution means you're very hard to put down, so you can typically tank all day long.

My own cube, though, was an alchemist, which was very thematic for the character. I basically had to abandon bombs because of the dex penalty, but that's fine when vivisectionist is available. If your cube came to sapience through alchemical means, they might try to carry that on. Psychic and wizard would work for the same reasons, though obviously as full casters taking cube levels would set them back.

Barbarian is excellent, as it depends heavily on both strength and con

>>51587352
Oh yeah, I remember her. When my group ran that module as part of a longer campaign, she ended up shacking up with and following one of the other players around for awhile. The player ended up becoming a noble and he basically let her handle most of the day to day tasks of taking care of his domain and she pretty much sucked at it. It was rather amusing.

>>51587696
How did you build your alchemist cube? That sounds like it could be interesting.

>>51587773
Vivisectionist was the big thing; decent intelligence, mutagen, infusion so you can toss around your extracts to your teammates, and a relatively high strength makes cubes combat monsters. those you can't grapple you can pound into the dirt with natural attacks thanks to Feral Mutagen.

It was an exceedingly typical build, just with a weird race.

>>51587235
Hey, if you're still hanging around, I got a question.

The Moonlight trick from the Cosmic Eye Watcher badge says
>When in its tricked form, a weapon with the moonlight trick can make melee attacks against any creature within 30 feet, even if that creature isn’t within its reach. This attack is still treated as a melee attack, and after using this trick the weapon reverts to its untricked form.

Does this mean that I can make all my attacks in a full-attack action against enemies up to 30 ft. away, or just a single attack that switches the weapon back to the untricked form?

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>>51587915
Only a single attack. That's one of the tricks I'm less than satisfied with. I like the ability it gives, but I couldn't come up with a good way to balance it.

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>>51588065
MAXI PAD!

>>51588065
You wouldn't happen to have better ideas for the CEW badge's benefit, do you? Caster's Champion's kinda... Well... Meh.

>>51587915
hey, if you can, could you link the Bloodborne Hunter thing?

>>51588137
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NW98K-_vTEnS5ELs6UEZgu2WyMX0-hwrfEoMKGdUXlE/edit#

I don't got the links to the archetypes, but those exist too.

>>51588148
Thanks bub.

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>>51588089
I actually was decently satisfied with that ability. That entire badge I really struggled with coming up with mechanics that at least somewhat matched the fluff of the Choir. I'm open to suggestions, though.

>>51588137
>The Bloodborne Hunter
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1NW98K-_vTEnS5ELs6UEZgu2WyMX0-hwrfEoMKGdUXlE

>Blood-Addled Hunter [Archetype]
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1U85TQ-_b_anKdM2O9AzRv0XPxvZTZA9y9w_4GgrAzf0

>Charred Hunter [Archetype]
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1YbZaK9lW5eaw8xJ7kAOB2HbcA4ac1ypdcl_0nVu9D6s

>Church Hunter [Archetype]
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1VXmJ-2sBdCT7W8gZ6uMYpT4nmVoaT3HBYa_5iyCqAUw

>Vileblood [Archetype]
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1s5BDGbHbBVnoqLpgMAFAlyz2etbaRLcJouVraeJasRI

>>51588216
I personally don't like the dependency of Caster's Champion basically needing an arcane caster in the team, as well as hanging near them a lot.

Off the top of my head I thought up giving Arcane Strike while using your Hunter level as caster level for the purpose of the damage bonus, but that's sorta better in comparison to Caster's Champion in a way.

AS
>swift action
>give weapon +1 damage bonus for 1 round
>damage bonus increases every 5 caster levels

CC
>3/day swift action
>give weapon +1 damage bonus for 1 round
>damage bonus increases every 4 BAB you have
>depends on being within 30ft of an arcane spellcaster ally, let alone having an arcane spellcaster ally

>>51588216
On a side note, since the Moonlight trick's attack is a single attack, it'd be an attack action and therefore usable with Vital Strike, yes?

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>>51585440

Nice samefagging, faggot. kys

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>>51588298
I had Arcane Strike as a possibility at one point, and I had come up with some reason not to use it or to use Caster's Champion instead (which mostly had to do with fluff reasons of the Choir kind of leeching off of other entities), but I can't remember it off the top of my head. I still don't like Arcane Strike just because the hunter isn't really hurting for damage and has plenty to do with their swift actions already. I'll add it to the list of things I need to revisit.

>>51588320
Yes, but it should be noted that the moonlight trick does not need to be used with a particular action. Rather, it can be applied once to an attack before the weapon reverts to its untricked form. So it could be used on one attack in a full-attack action, or an attack an of opportunity, or a Vital Strike.

>>51588371
Noted. I'll stick with Caster's Champion as is then, since I really want to do shit with the Moonlight attack.

It'd probably be a good idea to note in the trick's description that you can apply it to any single attack for whatever sort of attack actions.

Another side note, since I'm actually making a hunter atm for a playtest my group's doing this weekend, one of the others wants to know whether the Powder Keg Hunter's Badge's Furnace trick can hurt the hunter him/herself if they're adjacent to the enemy they're attacking with the Furnace trick.

>>51588364
Fuck off WitchHunter Anon, shouldn't you be off stalking DHB?

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>>51587714
I just sort of skipped over her, the only player who might have not killed her and found her cute was playing a married character so I knew they would just murder her.

God why couldn't have someone else DM'd this game.

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>>51588434
>Another side note, since I'm actually making a hunter atm for a playtest my group's doing this weekend, one of the others wants to know whether the Powder Keg Hunter's Badge's Furnace trick can hurt the hunter him/herself if they're adjacent to the enemy they're attacking with the Furnace trick.
It certainly can, making the reach trick a wise investment.

All of the drawabacks that come with the weapon tricks are intentional, as very early on I wanted to make sure that people would have reason to use both the untricked form and tricked form of a weapon, rather than throwing a bunch of benefits on a weapon and running around with it tricked all the time.

>>51588550
That makes perfect sense, otherwise the Furnace trick would just almost be a free Flaming enchantment with a 5-foot radius.

We still can't seem to come to an agreement on how exactly the Hunter's Grace x/day ability works in regards to timing its use.
My idea (because we've come to the agreement that being able to completely negate an attack, especially a crit, x times per day is a little ridiculous) is that when targeted by a melee or ranged attack, you'd have to declare the dodge before the declared attack's result is revealed.

Now, it's completely fine if you disagree, it's just that our group seem intent on using it this way.

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>>51588628
It's an immediate action, so the action triggers whenever you take it. If you are uncomfortable with outright dodging attacks, instead grant the hunter a +4 bonus to AC against the triggering attack along with the movement.

It's also on my lit to revisit. The reason I haven't used the above is because that would make it unusable against ssome AoE attacks which is something I think is important to the ability.

How do you mechanically convey losing a limb. I plan on playing a symbiotic slayer who is missing one arm from mid bicep down.

Mostly it means I can't wield two handed weapons, do anything that requires two handed, and don't count as having a hand free for somatic components when holding something in the other hand. Is there a full list of the mechanical implications of missing an arm.

The plan is when I activate my symbiote it replaces the missing arm while activated.

Also the effects of missing one eye. He is missing the eye on the same side he is missing the arm.

>>51588728
Do you really need someone to explain what the implications of having only one arm are?

>One eye
-2 to perception and all ranged attack rolls

>>51588728
Are you the guy who's been posting about symbiotic slayer in every thread?

Also just think about what narrative consequences it would have, and there ya go. Paizo would probably give you all of those plus -4 Strength, though.

>>51588743
>Do you really need someone to explain what the implications of having only one arm are?
There a lot of things.

Like how much does it effect my over head lift carrying capacity?

How big of a penalty should it give to climb/swim/etc.

I can come up with most of the list but for stuff like "how large of a penalty" I'd prefer to look at actual rules.

>>51588669
Alright. I'll probably talk to the others some more when they're awake.

That aside and back onto the Moonlight trick, how exactly would making the Moonlight Strike (should probably call it that) as an attack of opportunity work? Do you just threaten all squares up to 30 ft away from you?
It is rather nice to know that since it switches back after using that attack, it can't be abused with something like Combat Reflexes, by the way.

Meanwhile, I did retype the description myself.
>The hunter is able to imbue weapons with the power of moonlight. Blue moonlight dances around the weapon, and it channels the abyssal cosmos to hurl a shadowy light wave. When in its tricked form, a weapon with the moonlight trick can make attacks against any creature within 30 feet, even if that creature isn’t within its reach. In other words, this attack can be used as a standard attack action, as one of the attacks made as part of a full-attack action, or an attack of opportunity. This attack is still treated as a melee attack, and after using this trick the weapon reverts to its untricked form.

Sorry if I'm excessively belting out a shit-ton of questions and whatnot.

>>51588800
Not that anon, but only if your Threatened Area is that far, such as by Combat Patrol.

>>51588669
I think the most interesting way to mechanically do this is an immediate action to move away- out of AoE or out of the reach of the attack. Prevent 5ft steps the next round, and your movement is reduced by the amount you already moved. Maybe include an Acrobatics check to negate the attack, since groups seem to be okay with that sort of thing.

So I am GMing and want to go over last session. I want help from you all. Please point out anything you all really hate.

>players ended last session being informed what mythic sparks art at a banquet
>start of the session is them traveling on a ship, a relatively boring trip with a week a downtime with them doing research on where they are going
>the players are part of a mercenary company hired to go on an expedition into an evil sapient jungle
>the party are those who were exposed to mythic sparks, them plus a few NPCs
>players do some research, get told by their commander that he doesn't trust the guy who hired them so he is so he's sending everyone who is now mythic out ahead as a scouting force to be as far away from their employer as possible
>commander also thinks their employeer might be lying to them, so tells the party to grab as much info as possible from the ruins
>commander gives them a new guy, the newest member of the company, named weevil
>he was some random citizen who was unconscious but exposed to mythic power, the company brought him with them
>party heads into the jungle through a lagoon where the shore has a town carved into the cliffs
>the party and ~50 other soldiers are sent along an old road through the jungle
>party hears weird clacking
>off the road is an old stone shrine with a giant (6 foot long) beetle doing a mating display
>the party kill the beetle and check out the shrine
>it has a statue to a weird frog god from the region (the god is one of those frogs that carry its young on its back)
>the party take the little tadpole statues put into the divots on the larger statue's back (some of them are ioun stones, the rest are just holy symbols)
>party continues on to the evening
>find a giant sink hole filled with water (like 100 feet across and 60 feet to the water line)
>knowledge geography tells them they are fairly common on the continent
>see half submerged structures at the bottom carved into the side of the cavern

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>>51588800
This is correct >>51588839

>Sorry if I'm excessively belting out a shit-ton of questions and whatnot.
I honestly don't mind. It helps me get an idea of how people are reading my writing, which helps me make things better in the end. Plus, I like seeing people take an interest.

>>51588877
>I think the most interesting way to mechanically do this is an immediate action to move away- out of AoE or out of the reach of the attack.

This is what the ability does already, and is limited by only having a number of uses per day. I'm not sure about reduced movement as a penalty, as most people seem to have a problem with the act of avoiding attacks in and of itself, and a movement penalty doesn't really address that. I also don't like an acrobatics check at face value because I prefer to avoid unnecessary rolling.

>>51588920
>the party explores them
>finds what appears to be an old office, recovers a bunch of scrolls, a few magical ones
>the noise of breaking down the door to the office attracts amoeba oozes
>the party end up putting two in a bucket to keep for later, leave the rest alone
>party goes up, finds some old stoneware and a sealed box with a journal
>the party decides to head down underwater too, using air crystals
>sees a giant crab in a room, decide to leave it alone
>head deeper again
>find something that pings on detect magic
>it's a skeleton trapped under a rock with a handy haversack and necklace of adaptation
>they bring all the stuff they found up and send another guy back down
>he finds three cases filled with unholy water sealed with wax (in the deepest part of the settlement), the bottles stylized like fish
>party looks through what they have
>find journals in the haversack along with a spell book
>the commanding officer (a player) reads through the journal and finds out it was a student who entered the country illegally
>father was rich, journal says if he died and body is found please return something to his father so he can be resurrected
>they grab the skull and label it in case they forget later
>the other messages are in a language they can't read
>weevil, their new guy, offers to help read the other letters
>revealed the mythic spark awakened oracle powers as well, makes him horribly exhausted (he was asleep for three days after becoming mythic)
>uses lore oracle trance ability for +20 and translates them
>they find out the place was a distribution center for water for the region at one point, the letters being about that sort of thing mostly
>find out they also worshiped a fish god that has underwater temples in the caverns, where the unholy water came from
>find out the journal was a kid wanting to go to the big city
>two letters he can't translate
>session ends with camp for the night

It was about a 3 hour session

>>51588955
I know as far as my group (planning the playtest, GM assures us we will all die by the end) goes, we don't want it to -not- nullify the attack and just give a bonus to AC because its x/day and you get more uses at a very slow rate.

Going off of what I said before, I personally like the idea that since you're thinking fast and see the attack coming before they make the attack, you can dodge the attack after it's declared but before it's rolled, acting on quick thinking.

That aside, the only real issue I have with it is being able to negate a confirmed crit, especially even if it's a nat20.

>>51584382

Stop making me click, /pfg.

I've put too much money in 4e, adn your waifus are 2 cute 4 me.

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>>51588999
>That aside, the only real issue I have with it is being able to negate a confirmed crit, especially even if it's a nat20.
Because it's been brought up by a few different people, I will likely add a line to the effect of

>the hunter must choose to use this ability before the results of the attack are revealed.

If you don't mind, could you tell me about your character at all? I have no idea how far along you may be in the process, but having an idea of how people build their hunters could really help me.

>>51589038
Using the ability before the results of the attack are revealed are how our group (or at least I and the GM) have agreed to use it, so that's cool.

20 STR, 13 DEX, 15 CON, 18 INT, 11 WIS, 9 CHA

Rolled stats 4d6d1, human, STR is 18 w/o the Belt of Giant's Strength

7th level Bloodborne Hunter, no archetype
Cosmic Eye Watcher badge, Guidance and Eye Runes
Feats are Improved Initiative, Power Attack, Furious Focus, Caster's Champion via CEW, Dodge, and Vital Strike.

Initiative +7 (1 DEX, 2 trait, 4 feat)

Max Ranks in these skills
Acrobatics +11, Knowledge (Arcana, Dungeoneering, Local, Nature) +14, Perception +14 (+1 trait and Eye rune), Stealth +11

Uses a +1 shocking longsword with the Increased Damage and Moonlight tricks, which is why I'm aiming for the PowAtk/VitStrike stuff.

I wanted to see how I could roll with a simple-enough hunter that just used a melee weapon. Maybe just a tad bit of being pretty mobile on the field, seeing as I got myself an expeditious retreat potion, running around to flank things and hit hard while I do so.

One of the other players in the party is trying out the Charred Hunter, but I can't see his sheet so I'll have to ask him if you want to see how he's doing it when I can get a hold of him. As for the other three, one's making the Boom Hammer and the other the Kirkhammer.

Help
Npcs who we save keep sticking along
This is turning silly
First it was 2 warriors
Then a cleric
Now a dragon

Is there any written rule preventing my Wizard from spending time and money researching a spell (using the Downtime system to do so) that he can't yet cast, so that he'll already have it ready at a later level?

>>51589184
You can write spells you can't cast in your spellbook. Don't have to go through the trouble of researching it. Or just buy a scroll of the spell and hang onto it until then.

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>>51584638
Oh boy oh boy!

>>51589201
Well, for various campaign and houserule reasons, I can't buy a scroll or borrow a spellbook for spells over 6th level, but I think you're implying that there isn't a rule preventing me from doing it the hard way.

>>51589211
There is not, no. Those houserules seem unfun. Are they there to "limit the power of spellcasters"?

>>51589222
No, it's just that CL 13+ casters are so rare, we have to go and find them individually. It's mostly so we can't do things like buy scrolls of Wish willy-nilly.

>>51589236
You still have to pay the 10,000gp cost of wish, and it's really not that powerful in PF because Paizo. Still though, I hope you're having fun, anon! Good luck researching your high-level spell!

>>51589258
Yeah! Well, actually, I asked because I can get a bunch of low-level wizard apprentices to do all the hard work for me. Hoho! The tradition lives on.

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>>51589158
Wow, so you're all running hunters, huh? Are there any other classes mixed in? I plan on running my own campaign as hunter-only, so knowing ahead of time if the class is suitably diverse would be a huge boon.

If you guys end up thinking of feats or other abilities you may want to see, feel free to drop me a line.

>>51589274
*flashbacks to grad school*

>>51589159
Tell them to go away?

>>51589300
None in the party has the heart for that

>>51584638
How did one of the recent apps, Ihagi, with WIP stuff get in?

>>51589294
Yep, all hunters and no multiclassing. No word on anyone using archetypes aside from one guy using Church Hunter, and no word on who's using guns.

Originally I had planned rolling with TWF via Crow Hunter Badge, but changed my mind to Vital Strike longsword/greatsword instead.

Power attacking with TWF isn't exactly the best idea, though.
On average, me power attacking on a full-attack action averages about the same damage either with using an greatsword whose trick form is longsword/shortsword, provided they all hit. It's 2 greatsword hits versus 2longsword/2shortsword hits.

I think doing TWF stuff is more attractive w/ Weapon Finesse and dex-to-damage so that you'd at least be able to pump dex more, as it also would give you more Dex to AC. I really like Unchained Rogue, go figure

Honestly, from what I've read there are more-or-less varying styles of combat players can go with while using the class. The Vileblood archetype makes using firearms more interesting, not to mention the Charred Hunter.

I honestly don't know how to feel about the Church Hunter, the diminished spellcasting hurts, not to mention the insight cap of 3+INT (which I'm assuming the Insight system was based partly on Kineticist's Burn feature).

>>51589469
>from one guy using Church Hunter
I meant Charred Hunter on that one, my bad.

>>51589419
Find places with problems and ask the NPCs to help those places.

A dragon can have a much better effect protecting a city/town than a group of heroes, for example.

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>>51589469
>Yep, all hunters and no multiclassing. No word on anyone using archetypes aside from one guy using Church Hunter, and no word on who's using guns.
Well, hopefully the Charred Hunter will be using a gun of some kind, as that's their whole bit. It's also worth mentioning that he can still use trick weapons even though he loses the class feature, he just treats them as exotic and has to spend a full-round transforming them (meaning that you guys could build them one if he wanted).

>I think doing TWF stuff is more attractive w/ Weapon Finesse and dex-to-damage so that you'd at least be able to pump dex more, as it also would give you more Dex to AC. I really like Unchained Rogue, go figure
Two-Weapon Fighting is viable with just STR/INT via the crow hunter badge which I think helps make up for potential accuracy/damage issues.

>I honestly don't know how to feel about the Church Hunter, the diminished spellcasting hurts, not to mention the insight cap of 3+INT (which I'm assuming the Insight system was based partly on Kineticist's Burn feature).
Yeah, it's kind of an inverted burn system. Diminished spellcasting is really important for balance of this archetype, because its a d10, Full BAB, 6th level spellcaster. I flip-flopped for a long time over it, experimenting with 4th level casting or late access casting and I ended up settling with this.

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>>51589035
>spending money
>on 4e

>>51589598
Better than spending money on PF, I guess.

>>51585559
Not that guy, but:

When I GM Pathfinder, I start with RAW. If RAW is stupid, then I come up with a replacement ruling.

I'd allow such a thing. I'd argue with a GM who would not allow such a thing, even if it is correct by RAW.

Paizo makes some truly retarded rulings

>>51589579
Right, I should've mentioned he's setting up for the Church Cannon.

It's probably just me and bad luck, but any time I try doing something that gives me as much as a -4 penalty (power attack and TWF combined), I just fuck myself over and can't hit for shit.

Me and the GM did some tested combat by pitting me against a beast patient or two. I landed a lot more hits with the greatsword in its normal form than with the split form, but that's really just RNG when you look at it. It's probably really just me at fault for trying to use PowAtk with TWF, though, and I realized later that instead of actually using TWF, I could have just been using Create Opening and making full-attacks with just the split longsword, using the split shortsword to attack if I missed. Then again, Create Opening only has 1/day use at our level.

Put my sloppy luck together with the enticing fun of Longsword-to-Greatsword with PowAtk and Vital Strike, I decided to switch things over. It's been a while since I played something that didn't make my group call me a dexfag, anyways.

As for the Church Hunter, I also figured as much given it's a full-martial, basically. I myself don't know whether it would really need changing or not. The only other person who has read it is the GM for our group, and putting it into comparison with Paladin or Ranger, he wasn't keen on requiring taking insight just to prepare spells, then casting them at minimum level unless you took more insight. Even Paladin or Ranger's spellcasting doesn't suck that bad, as I would word it.

All that rambling aside, I still really do love everything you've got for making the class. It's probably no surprise that half the group has played SoulsBorne games and that we all love them. Keep it up!

I'll talk more when I'm not running low on sleep.

>>51584382
Anybody have Starjammer? It's it good?

Anybody else looking forward to starting this summer?

Do you think the two will play nice together?

>>51589706
>Starjammer
Is out in 7ch. Were you thinking of Starfinder?

>>51589713
I mentioned both. My phone changed Starfinder to 'starting'.

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>>51589706
I've been actually fairly excited for Starfinder since we got the livestream a while back.

>>51589713
7ch

Requests thread or the VH?

Are there still VH threads? Been a while since I went to 7ch

>>51589768
This sounds neat. It also sounds like the claims of Pathfinder compatibility are not true.

>>51589706
I really am looking forward to Starfinder. I'm hoping Paizo shows some of the recent backbone they've had, introducing interesting new options in Path of the Righteous and, earlier, in Weapon Master's Handbook.

Plus, without fucking James Jacobs at the creative helm, maybe we'll get a setting with less stupid and adventure paths with less blatant waifubait.

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>>51589696
>As for the Church Hunter, I also figured as much given it's a full-martial, basically. I myself don't know whether it would really need changing or not. The only other person who has read it is the GM for our group, and putting it into comparison with Paladin or Ranger, he wasn't keen on requiring taking insight just to prepare spells, then casting them at minimum level unless you took more insight. Even Paladin or Ranger's spellcasting doesn't suck that bad, as I would word it.
Well, the Ranger and Paladin do have to deal with their own -3 CL.

Insight is also based on influence from the medium, and moonlight trance is supposed to give later level church hunters something to do with stockpiled insight.

Basically, the idea is that the Church Hunter will have a handful of spells to help give them utility, but they're mostly buffs and defenses, so they can't go around blasting or creating cloud cities or whatever. Their insight also gives them the option to have a few clutch spells when they really need them.

You'll also have to consider how you'll want to reconcile the fact that Bloodborne is a game without overt magic, while Pathfinder is a game where magic is very much at the forefront. In that vein the Church Hunter is not meant to be a strong caster.

>>51589769
VH been gone for a while. Might still be active on 8, but I don't go there.

Request thread, post 117161. To save you the trip, https://www.sendspace.com
/filegroup/UG4KyZvoh11sng%2BDNxp8Eg

>>51589778
From what they said, it seems to me that compatbility will be similar to DnD 3.5 being compatible with Pathfinder - it nominally is, but there's so much shit between them that a few things will break down, and it becomes more work than it's worth to convert a lot of them, yet at the same time it's actually doable in the first place.

Is using Planar ally to summon an aasimar to sleep with me considered an abuse of divine power?

>>51589842
You still need to negotiate for the cost of service and even then it may be turned down.

>>51589802
Thanks Buddy. Checking it out now.

The Thug rogue + Enforcer feat combo is pretty old, and as long as you invest decently in intimidate, you can pretty much no-save frighten any enemy you hit for one round by doing 3 damage or more.

Has anyone actually tried this out? How rude would it be to the GM to build and use one?

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>>51589784
>sample image

Literally Hitler.

>>51589768
My Spelljammers game will return once more!

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>>51589465
I just liked the way his backstory was presented, even if it was incomplete.

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>>51589934

>Bloodborne is the better game but the firekeeper is the better waifu

When is two weapon fighting okay?

When are double weapons okay?

>>51590065
When something supports it like PoW deadly agility/UC rogue finesse or when you have riding effects like sneak attack. Also I guess when you have high PB to spread points around or if you're a slayer which sort of lets you do it but you know.... you're a slayer.

>>51590065
When your average DPR (with to-hit chance factored in) is comparable to the DPR of a two handed weapon, given the same number of feats expended and same amount of gold spent - and when you didn't lose out on valuable class features to do it either.

(Basically never)

>>51590234
And even in that scenario, it's still worse because DR. So throw in a free clustered shot equivalent into the requirements too.

>>51590065
>When is two weapon fighting okay?
Two weapon fighting is OK when strength is not a primary attribute of your build and you have alternate sources of damage from multiple attacks; for example, bonus damage from a stance or sneak attack can be multiplied by multiple attacks. This mitigates the bonus damage from strength lost from not wielding a weapon with both hands.

There's no real reason to use a double weapon, honestly, unless you have a class feature that allows you to switch bonus damage for str or something, and you'd still probably be better focusing on one weapon type.

>>51590256
>Double weapon.
Druid. Quarterstaff. Low level. Shillelagh.

>>51590278
>Low level 3/4 BAB giving himself more hit penalties

>>51590298
>while using magic to abrogate them
You're none too bright.

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The reason I haven't applied to Sultana is because any character I would make would just be entirely loyal to the Sultana immediately.

>>51590319
Or just weild it two handed and enjoy the benefits without the penalties of a suboptimal fighting style.

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>>51590334
Do it anyway!

>>51590065
When you have deadly agility, and a twf scattered shot equivalent for free, half-price on one-handed weapon enchantments except for the ones that add elemental damage dice, free twf feats, and 1d6 sneak attack - without sacrificing BAB.

Then your twf is about as good as thf.

You'll need to continue getting sneak attack to keep up with power attack.

>>51590298
>>51590354
It's still a double weapon regardless of whether you use it with twf penalties.

>>51590319
A +1 enhancement bonus isnt exactly going to help a druid who is taking -4/-8 to hit. Sure, he can take TWF as his first feat, but its quite ridiculous since if he wanted to hit a lot then he could just hold out till wildshape.

>>51590401
See
>>51590394
A quarterstaff is still a double weapon even if you use it thf with powerattack.

>>51590401
I keep forgetting how bad two weapon fighting is

>>51590455
It's not bad unless you have the shit to back it up to heck and back. Goblin UC Rogue can do it perfectly fine with all that Dex and +1 to attack from Small sized.

>>51590455
It's terrible.

It would take heavily discounted price enchantments, 5 free feats, and a free damage boost, before it's as good as just picking up a greatsword and putting no feats into it.

>>51590455
A level 1 can take TWF and weapon focus and even then he will likely have trouble hitting shit since he needs to pony up with the dex prereq for twf as well as need a decent str since the powers that be decided that the quarterstaff doesnt work with finesse.

>>51590490
And that's only with finesse weapons, too.

>>51590503
>You can use a double weapon to fight as if fighting with two weapons, but if you do, you incur all the normal attack penalties associated with fighting with two weapons, just as if you were using a one-handed weapon and a light weapon.

I guess at least one of the attacks will count....

>>51590524
Yeah. Twf is terrible. The math just doesn't work out.

Does Broken Blade Stance's extra attack work with any weapon or just discipline weapons?

>>51590660
Just discipline weapons unless you go for Weapon Adaptation, I believe. Broken Blade has that stipulation about their weapons at the top that would need another read through for me to be 100%

>>51590660
Only discipline weapons.
BUT you can make every weapon a discipline weapon with the Weapon Group Adaptation feat.

Though it's public knowledge that Broken Blade needs nerfing, so willingly using the stronger stuff from it is being a bit of a dick to the GM.

>>51590710
What makes it so broken anyway?
I really like the idea of brutal unarmed combat but if it sours my chances of being accepted into a game I'd probably start avoiding it.

>>51588976
Sounds low key, but interesting

>>51584638

Welp, I accepted going in that this was always going to feel like a monumental waste of my time if I didn't get in and sure enough, that's exactly what happened.

I shouldn't be salty about it, but it's disheartening to know your best efforts aren't even good enough to get into the top 10 out of 25 applications. Insert your own kys and/or forever alone memes here.

>>51590736
People using Weapon Group Adaption to apply shit like great swords to Broken Blade and getting a shitton of dice at early levels.
BB is designed to give early buffs to unarmed warriors because you would be starting with a 1d3/4 damage die and 1xstr bonus. People powergame it by apply it to weapons that are 2d6 with 1.5xstr bonus, then complain it's broken.

>>51590780
So as long as I play an unarmed combatant or a natural attacker then I'd be fine?

>>51590736
The damage potential of some of its boosts and strikes are just way too high, mainly.
It gets even crazier with the Weapon Group Adaptation trick.

If you know what you're doing you can avoid picking the super strong options, though a nice alternative is the Fool's Errand discipline which DSP is going to publish eventually:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jWw7bVMARxrXfRuOW20NlRqXEnS_XGLPT6LHTbz2qME/edit#

>>51590788
or a monk or whatever, yeah

>>51590385
Slayer?

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>that fucking salt from Captain Trek getting rejected from Fluffy 2

>>51590842
>Pros: Not bad at twf, may even be called good at it
>Cons: You are now a slayer, the shittiest class in the game

>>51590765
It's not that you weren't good enough. It's that you didn't cater to the GM's fetishes enough.

That's not necessarily a bad thing.

>>51590856
But that's not a core rogue, anon.

>>51590869
You're right its worse

>>51590880
Why?

>>51590856
What's wrong with Slayer? Aside from being a full martial.

>>51590897
Seconded

Why?

I thought Slayer was better than core rogue, fighter, swashbuckler, and cavalier, and just worse than pretty much everything else.

>>51590880
Nothing is as bad as core rogue. Not even core monk is that bad.

Slayer isn't even bad, for a martial.

>>51590851
YOU JUST DONT UNDERSTAND MY CHARACTER

>>51590765
If you applied with a guy, thats your own fault. Neck yourself before complaining more.

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