>The BBEG Kills his own men Seriously why is this still a thing?

>being upset about this
Why?

>"BBEG"

Quick and easy way to sound like a faggot.

>>51576424

Because Darth Vader was basically the perfect villain character and people want to emulate him.

>>51576457
>whining about widely-accepted community slang
Quick and easy way to sounds like a faggot.

>>51576491
>widely-accepted
Debatable.

>>51576424
To weed out the worthless.

>>51576424
Because it's evil.

>>51576500
It's used by everyone except for you, shitposting faggot.

>>51576514
Except 3 hours ago I just poked my head out of my favorite general for the first time in weeks and every time I saw BBEG used I saw someone else bitching about it. I guess /tg/ is starting to get sick of the term.

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>>51576457
congrats
your shitposting elevates you to meme-levels
go to /co/ and suck off barneyfag now

>>51576424
Death as a disciplinary action is rather common thing even today. Especially in authoritative / military regimes.

>>51576466
Decimation dates to ancient Rome if not earlier.

>>51576530
It's just some faggot using a filter to shitpost any thread where it's used, the replies are literally the same every time.
They're trying to engineer /tg/ against it and other terms because autism; it's been done before.

>>51576567
And you somehow find within yourself a fuck to give? Let this faggot with a hate boner for acronyms waste his time and effort engineering /tg/ against it, we'll just use "boss" or something else that isn't an acronym instead.

>>51576424
because he's CUH-HUH-RAZY MANG!1!1

>>51576545

>Decimation

Far more people are familiar with Darth Vader than military history.

I can guarantee you when most people talk about the BBEG killing his minions, they're thinking of Vader choking Ozzel to death. Not some Roman general.

>>51576457
I'd like to know if this guy is actually upset about a term that's been in popular use for almost 20 years, or if he's just trying really hard to force a meme of some kind. A "really guys, nobody likes this term and it's not just me, honest" kind of meme.

>>51576424

Because in times where this was common, people often achieved their rank by nature of their lineage rather than talent or skill. Someone born into their position cannot be demoted or removed any other way. If you -were- to somehow strip them of rank or status, they would still probably have servants or loyalists and be a revolt hazard not far down the line.

>>51576785
>I can guarantee you when most people talk about the BBEG killing his minions, they're thinking of Vader choking Ozzel to death. Not some Roman general
>some Roman general
I just had a good hard laugh imagining a Roman general just losing it and choking a centurion to death.

>>51576599
>we'll just use "boss" or something else that isn't an acronym instead.
...why? BBEG is okay. No need for changes.

>>51576852
No need to change, but there's nothing lost in the change either, so I don't see why anyone would go through the effort of opposing it.

>>51576457
I really can't stress enough to future readers how much of a faggot you are for even thinking that someone would agree with you.

>>51576836

>You have failed me for the last time, Ozzelius.

>>51576852
>Et tu, Brutus

>>51576836
>>51576876
Or you can go the way of infamous Roman degenerates (the likes of Caligula) who would not do the deed themselves but rather have failed commander choked on a horse dick.

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>>51576424

They deny the enemy farm.

also so they can claim their souls in the after life to boolster their power in Gehenna, and to consume the souls when the ritual is complete to respawn in the material plane.

>>51576871
Some faggot insists on wasting my time to complain about it every time it's used.

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>>51576424
>The BBEG take care of his own men and expects the best of them and grows enraged when they're unfairly hurt

>>51576970
And your response is to waste your effort and more of your time telling him to fuck off? Wrestling with the pigs just gets you covered in mud anon.

>>51576791
Different guy. I've also had an issue with "BBEG," because it's always sounded dumb.

I also now find it amazing to what lengths people will go to in order to try and defend the term, like they think it's something valuable and worth keeping around.

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>>51576424
Because it can make for a great villain.

>>51576424
Because when the main villain doesn't kill his own surviving men and gives them a second chance you know that they are actually intelligent and the new goal not to fail their dark lord a second time will give them a strengthened resolve.

>>51577086
>I also now find it amazing to what lengths people will go to in order to try and attack the term, like they think they're something valuable and worth keeping around.

I agree, why are you posting in a thread that makes you upset

I don't mind the term BBEG so this thread is enjoyable to me. What's the use of making a post to let everyone know you don't like [THING], instead of just ignoring the thread?

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>>51576978

>>51577086
Until someone has a better alternative, BBEG is what we're going to keep using.

>>51577185
>I agree, why are you posting in a thread that makes you upset

Hey man, I just saw this stay up up in the bump order and wanted to see what the conversation was about. You really need to relax and stop being so defensive.

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I`m now wondering.
Who is the best and most caring commander in fiction that is also full-blown villain?
Papa Nurgle?

>>51577200
Except that people already use plenty of alternatives. The only difference is that they don't use them as acronyms. If that's what you want, great, but check out that thread where a guy wrote "DMMV" and see how the "BBEG" folk lost their minds.

>>51576424
I mean people have done it before. It isn't common but field executions for cowardice including decimation have been practiced throughout history. Desertion is still generally punishable by death. And even historically monumental military fuck ups sometimes resulted in the failure being executed.

As long as he doesn't casually kill off men it isn't that absurd for a villain to kill off failures and cowards.

>You retreated during the middle of battle leading to your army to rout, for that you will be executed.
>You soldiers retreated from an advantageous position after suffering just 5% casualties losing us the battle, for that every tenth man will be executed by his comrades
>You led a force of 80,000 soldiers including 5,000 elite knights to nearly be wiped out by 15,000 enemy soldiers. For that you will be executed.

Granted
>You failed to obtain an artifact and lost nine unimportant mooks in the process so you will be executed
Is pretty fucking stupid. Unless the BBEG loses a lot to the failure they shouldn't be killed unless he is specifically meant to be an incompetent tyrant that everyone wants dead (eg. Nero).

>>51577219
I'm sure someone can come up with a better one, but I'll set the bar at Hank Scorpio

>>51577241
DMMV is way more vague and awkward than BBEG.

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>>51576424
Their deaths amuses him.
The power of the BBEG is so vast, that he treats his army as a joke. For example you got the power of superman and you take command of a country by force. Some guys follow you. But they are so insignificant you send them in suicide runs because you get a good laugh from their deaths.

>>51577280
>The power of the BBEG is so vast, that he treats his army as a joke.
If he's so powerful, then he shouldn't need to have an army.

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"You nincompoops have failed me for the last time! Myah!"
>kills goons
"Now that I have no more goons left I will definitively defeat the heroes!"

>>51577219
>Papa Nurgle?
Papa Nurgle doesn't love you. He gives you unimaginable pain and then if you agree to worship him he numbs the pain. Even then you follow the god of decay, your works will ultimately mean nothing and your body looks like shit. You call him papa to thank him for numbing the pain that he gave you in order to force you into serving him.

>>51577302
>BBEG treats all of existence like a video game
>His armies are like a game of Rome total war
>He doesn't need to fight wars but he finds them fun, and when losing frustrates him he takes his anger out on his soldiers

>>51577276
It's also just the guy talking about something different than just a final boss and isn't really a replacement for "BBEG", but was talking about a DM's self insert, like a DMPC. He could have very easily used DMBBEG instead.

What I'm talking about is the BBEG guys shitting up that thread because they thought it was an affront to their personal acronym. I understand they're a little antsy at the moment, but I have a feeling they'd do the same to any actual alternative for their favorite acronym.

>>51577302
He does not need them, but their deaths are funny to him.
Palpatine didn't need an Imperial Senat but their scheming amused him enough to let them exist.

>>51576424
The forces of darkness that dwell within them demand blood, and sometimes when they're marching their army around they go too long without seeing enemies or innocent civilians. And it makes it very tempting to respond to annoyance or failure on their minions' parts with brutal violence.

>>51576599
>BBEG is widely hated
>i-it must be one autist with a lot of time!

>>51576424
Man, I don't know. I like to make my bad guys care about their men, leads them in battle and inspires courage.

>>51577200
Villain.

>>51577302
He doesn't NEED one, but it's certainly better than doing all the work yourself.

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>>51577404
>BBEG is widely hated

>>51576978
there was an image for this from an anime where a monster dude kneels before his evil monster king and apologizes for failing and then the king tells him not to worry and that he's still a champion to the people.

I wish I had saved it.

>>51577470
>Look, lets be honest here. People who use the BBEG are retarded and need to get banned.

Are you running for anything? If you are, you've got my vote.

>>51577470

Ironic shitposting is still shitposting.

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>>51577459
>BBEG is widely known by haters

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>>51576987
the pigs are the real bbeg then

>>51578039
man, what is the source?

>>51576457
How to improve the world in 3 easy steps
1 - Turn off the computer.
2 - Contemplate your life.
3 - Kill yourself.

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>>51576424
The idea behind it is that it's supposed to show how strong the BBEG is (those kinda-strong henchmen were disposed of in ONE strike, he's super strong!) as well as how evil he is (b-but he was on his side! That guy, he's bad news!). In reality it makes the BBEG appear petty as he wastes his most valuable resource: manpower.

In my opinion this only works if the BBEG is actually a petty cunt. Imagine daddy's little princess, except with superhuman powers. Something like that.

>>51577470
>People who use the BBEG are retarded and need to get banned. It's plain and simple and I don't think we need to enter the details, but I've spoken to mods several times and they've all agreed with me that posters who use this term are also the ones who shitpost the most according to their IPs.

This is gold, I feel like a kid again

>>51577512
I prefer to call it "Ironic rib poking" because I make mine too ridiculous to take seriously.

>>51577310
Just like a real dad, yeah. What else is new?

>>51578039
Sauce please?
>>51577470
>getting this triggered over 4 letters
ggez

>>51576424
Because he has a cloning bay.

>>51576545
>Decimation dates to ancient Rome if not earlier.

Most people don't even know that decimation means to cut by a tenth, i.e. you kill one in ten men. So you aren't pointlessly crippling your army.

I seriously doubt they know that it was practiced in ancient Rome.

>>51577470
Look, lets be honest here. People who use the term "shitposting" are retarded and need to get banned. It's plain and simple and I don't think we need to enter the details, but I've spoken to mods several times and they've all agreed with me that posters who use this term are also the ones who shitpost the most according to their IPs. We shouldn't encourage shitposters and we shouldn't allow them to ruin this board any further.

It's autistic, it's childish, it shows you lack any form of mental complexity, stop using it or eventually the banhammer is coming down.

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>The BBEG isn't actually the BBEG at all but merely a pawn in larger scale revenge plot

>>51577219
En from Dorohedoro.
Motherfucker takes affronts against his people VERY seriously. One of the questions the series addresses is basically "What if the bad guys had the Power of Friendship instead of the good guys?"

>>51579552
is this from tsukihime?

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>>51576836
It's gone full circle.
Asterix: Mission Cleopatra movie

>>51577470
>Look, lets be honest here. People who use the term 'fun' are retarded and need to get banned. It's plain and simple and I don't think we need to enter the details, but I've spoken to mods several times and they've all agreed with me that posters who use this term are also the ones who shitpost the most according to their IPs. We shouldn't encourage shitposters and we shouldn't allow them to ruin this board any further.
>It's autistic, it's childish, it shows you lack any form of mental complexity, stop using it or eventually the banhammer is coming down.

>>51579673
Oh man, that scene made the entire movie worth it.

The kung-fu battle was good also.

>>51579491
>>51579706
To be honest, this is actually rather tasty pasta

>>51576424
It's a quick and easy way to show that the guy is an evil bastard.

>>51578039
>>51578561
Dancouga fucking slayed, and I'll fight anyone that disagrees
Not bringing out the combination until like halfway through the series was a plus

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>>51579575
>Dorohedoro

>>51576514
It's used by people who have spent too much time on TVTropes and now think they are experts on narrative devices and le cynical expert critic: i.e. faggots.

>>51576457
>>51576500
>>51577404
>>BBEG is widely hated
It is hated by roughly two anons that frequent one website.
Mostly just you.

It is widely accepted as stupid and redundant, but accepted as a brief 4 letter term.
Boss does not fit the Main Antagonist descriptor.

Can't get MV to catch on, can you. my spergy little autist?

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Forgot to answer OP

>>51576424
>>The BBEG Kills his own men
>Seriously why is this still a thing?
It is far overused and I agree completely.
The only time I like it is:
On one hand, it's good when used to illustrate that the BBEG is not a good leader and possibly crazy, but still terrifying and powerful.

On the other hand, sometimes you really need to kill a guy.
Pic related

>>51577219
>Who is the best and most caring commander in fiction that is also full-blown villain?
>>51577260
>Hank Scorpio
This.
My best alternative is Redcloak from OotS.
He kills troublesome allies and hopes to betray his leader, but actively tries to create a better life for his people.

>>51587112
Are you trying to turn this into some sort of game? Please don't. The weird hyper-defensive manners of the people upset about other people making fun of them for using BBEG is really starting to reveal the worst in you.

And, it doesn't do you any good to try and pretend there's only two, or ten, or only twenty people who think "big bad evil guy" isn't really funny, clever, or particularly useful jargon. You may believe so, but it's getting quite tiresome to hear you try to pretend that it's some great term that we should consider worth upholding and defending.

It's just a dumb joke that stopped being funny, and now has gotten tired.

>>51576871
>I can't understand resisting pointless change
Nigga, do you even talk to people?

Most people resist change that might even have had a point.

>>51576987
Ignoring the squeeling of the pigs is less likely to get you muddy than trying to appease them.

>>51577099
Excellent taste, anon.

>>51587323
Okay Anon, to be honest I don't care much about it but I can see you're earnest so if you ask me very nicely to stop using the term BBEG I'll consider joining your side.

That's all it takes, just be very polite about it since I can tell you're being serious and one less person will use that term.

>>51587323
>isn't really funny, clever, or particularly useful jargon
>it's some great term that we should consider worth upholding and defending.
>It's just a dumb joke that stopped being funny, and now has gotten tired.
It's none of that.
It is:
A. A four letter term for a concept often referenced.
B. Widely understood.

That's it. Accept it.

>Are you trying to turn this into some sort of game?
No. I'm mocking you because you are ridiculous.
I specifically use BBEG now instead of villain, just to trigger you, you sad little autist.
See you next time.

Unless, of course, you manage to resist the urge to go into a thread just to post about a term you dislike.
In which case, I'm glad whatever therapy you're using finally started working.

>>51587800
>Okay Anon, to be honest

You don't sound honest at all. I didn't even need to read past "I don't care" to see that you're one heck of a weird liar.

Lying on the internet right after saying you're being honest? For shame.

>>51587808
Why is this such a big deal for you? Curious onlooker, and it seems like you care a lot more about BBEG than they people who dislike it.

>>51587848
pretending to be a curious onlooker is a pathetic thing to do.

t. amused onlooker.

>>51587875
>"I have autism."

Thanks for inadvertently providing an answer, I guess.

>>51576424
Because it quickly gets several things across to the players/audience...

1. The villain is so evil he will even slay his own men from the slightest provocation.

2. The villain is so respected/feared that the rest of his men let this happen and don't do anything about it.

3. The villain's troops are disposable to him, implying that he has a vast, nearly invincible army or having them around is just a matter of convenience.

4. The heroes, by virtue of not killing their own men, are immediately an obvious better alternative than the villain. If the villain treats his own forces this way, imagine what kind of terrible fate he will wrought upon the protagonists' homeland?

>>51587848
>Why is this such a big deal for you?
Previous rants by anon going back months possibly longer.
Until anon gets others to accept an equal or better term, he is wrong.
He is wrong anyway for specifically going into threads just to complain about a common term.
He won't stop.

It's not a big deal to me.
Changing villain to BBEG is three keystrokes less.
If you let the ridiculous shout wrong things uncontested, they are the only voice heard.

>it seems like you care a lot more about BBEG than they people who dislike it.
Nobody cares more about BBEG than this anon.
I just have chosen to point out his ridiculousness when I see it.
I mock him because he is absurd.
I trigger him because he has proven to be an ass in previous rants and I sincerely hope that every time I type BBEG, he gets emotionally bothered. Because he chooses that path.

My jimmies remain unrustled.

>>51587956
>Until anon gets others to accept an equal or better term, he is wrong.

Who is wrong? About what? About thinking that "BBEG" isn't really that cool, and kind of stupid?
You also seem to not realize that most people either say villain or antagonist, and no one needs to get them to accept those terms.

You seem to be taking some kind of crazy pills here, anon. Please, anon, for your own sake, drop it. I have no beef about BBEG, but seeing your awkward attempts to try to defend it makes me like it less, not more.

>>51587875
This, obviously, wasn't me.
Also, did they use that "t. amused onlooker." thing right?

>>51588021
When typing, BBEG is quicker than "primary villain" or "main antagonist".
It's shorthand.
That's it.
He is wrong for fighting a crusade to get people to stop using a shorthand term because it's redundant and stupid and he doesn't like it.
I can't imagine that most people use it because it's "cool" but because they feel like it.
Anon wants those who feel like using a widely known term to stop doing so because he doesn't like it.
He is wrong.

>You seem to be taking some kind of crazy pills here, anon. Please, anon, for your own sake, drop it.
Ditto pal. As I said, I am unbothered here.

>I have no beef about BBEG, but seeing your awkward attempts to try to defend it makes me like it less, not more.
Meh.
Like it or don't.
Use it or don't.
Go into every thread you see that uses it for the sole purpose of complaining that people use it?
Get mocked for being ridiculous.

Understand?

>>51588118
No, I dont understand. You're still trying to valiantly defend something that's really just sort of silly, under the idea that you can convince people that "BBEG" is innately superior because it's more efficient than typing out villain.

Between saying "big bad evil guy" in short hand and saying villain, a lot of people will prefer the latter, and you really need to not act like there's anything wrong with preferring the latter.

This whole "anyone who disagrees with me is one person, and he is wrong" business is starting to make me think that you're really oversensitive about this BBEG business, and very likely the reason why it's started to escalate into a constant problem.

Just let it go. I think you're the one who needs to try to understand something here.

>>51588194
Why are you so sensitive toward people using this term? The other guy is obviously ridiculously set in his ways, but you seem to have some real beef with it too.

>>51587897
>4. The heroes, by virtue of not killing their own men, are immediately an obvious better alternative than the villain.

We're not supposed to do that?

>>51577199
Just a dude trying to do his job and do well by his men.

>>51588214
I'm actually starting to think my beef is more with you than anything else. Your posts are so awful and hypocritical that I feel like I would inevitably disagree with anything you said. Which is funny, because your problem may actually be something similar, in that it's less about the topic, and more of you just needing to defend something.

But, you're right in at least that I shouldn't let myself get dragged into your personal crusade against everyone who doesn't like that thing you really like. I thought there might be a real reason for you to care so much, but now I know I should have known better.

>>51588302
I'm not him though, and you didn't answer my question either.

I just don't understand why you care so much, it's just a word, dude.

>>51588302
Also accusing someone of samefagging after defending yourself from it just a few posts earlier is extremely hypocritical of you, you can afford to conduct yourself in a dignified manner.

I'm out.

>>51576424
>The BBEG resurrects his own men, and has them inform him of your strategies, identities and weaknesses before sending them after you, better equipped and supported by a large force of monsters and men.

Our Paladin was pretty upset they kidnapped his kid sister, but it was his fault for loudly proclaiming himself as "the Scion of House Carthus" at every fucking battle.

Good plot tho.

>>51588194
>No, I dont understand.
Clearly.

>You're still trying to valiantly defend something that's really just sort of silly,
Valiantly defend?
I suppose I am valiantly defending against the idea of religiously going into threads simply to bitch about a term being used.

>the idea that you can convince people that "BBEG" is innately superior because it's more efficient than typing out villain.
It's not innately superior.
It is:
A. More efficient
B. A valid option.
That is all.

>you really need to not act like there's anything wrong with preferring the latter.
See
>>51588118
>Meh.
>Like it or don't.
>Use it or don't.
There's nothing wrong with preferring the latter.
There is something wrong with attempting enforce your preference on everyone by bitching.

>This whole "anyone who disagrees with me is one person, and he is wrong" business
There is one person, and he is wrong, fanatical, and possibly autistic.
There are also clearly others that are similarly wrong.

>starting to make me think that you're really oversensitive about this BBEG business
Again, I am calm and bothered.

>very likely the reason why it's started to escalate into a constant problem.
If you're suggesting that, upon seeing people respond to the anti-BBEG autist, trolls started to mimic the behavior in order to mine fresh tasty replies, you have a point.

>Just let it go. I think you're the one who needs to try to understand something here.
Again, ditto pal.

>>51588302
>hypocritical
>>51588347
>hypocritical
I don't thin that word means what you thin it means.

>>51588417
>Again, I am calm and bothered.
I meant unbothered, obviously.
Funny though.

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Just a reminder that shitposting is a bannable offense. If anyone complains about widely accepted word usage and derails the thread, please report him.

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>>51576457

>>51588481
Another good point against replying to him.
I may have to change my behavior.

>BBEG: You have failed me and derailed my thread for the last time, worthless minion!

>>51576424
Free XP, sure hes down a man but if hes close to dinging its worth it

>>51576424
I'll tell you if you gimme that sauce, OP.
Google is remarkably unreliable when it comes to finding single page excerpts like this.

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>>51576457

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>>51576424
>The BBEG has been pretending to be mentally retarded for seven year

Seriously why is this still a thing?

>>51577219
I'd cast a vote for Ol' Man Genocide/Genryuusai if so
many people including the writer didn't insist on making him a hero.

>>51588228
>Put the halfling down, Brutius.

>>51588676
Brutius is in the vocative case in that sentence. You would say
>Put the halfling down, Brutie
You would say Brutius when talking about Brutius but not directly to him.

>>51588799
I...wasn't speaking in Latin?

>>51577470
>Look, lets be honest here. People who use the term "bait" are retarded and need to get banned. It's plain and simple and I don't think we need to enter the details, but I've spoken to mods several times and they've all agreed with me that posters who use this term are also the ones who shitpost the most according to their IPs. We shouldn't encourage shitposters and we shouldn't allow them to ruin this board any further.
>It's autistic, it's childish, it shows you lack any form of mental complexity, stop using it or eventually the banhammer is coming down.

>>51589058
Then why use the Latin nominative masculine singular declension?

>>51589212
That's his name. I can't call him Steve, he gets angry when I call him Steve and it's a pain to calm him down afterwards.

>>51576978
Gaius in FFXIV still surprised me by caring for the gunshield guy under his command. Too bad I had to beat both their faces in.

>>51589261
I would get pretty upset if someone didn't use the correct declension when saying name. Just saying.

>>51588799
>>51589212
>>51589303
What the fuck is this? Are you jealous of all the (You)s the other sperg was getting? Here take these (You)s and shut up.

>>51587253
TFA Megatron was still the Smartest Megatron for doing that

>>51579748
Those two were the only good scenes in the entire movie.

>>51589303
Well then he should come out and tell me that's the proper decre- disco- -the proper way to say his name. All he does is scream and punch people.

>>51577470
Look, lets be honest here. People who play D&D are retarded and need to get banned. It's plain and simple and I don't think we need to enter the details, but I've spoken to mods several times and they've all agreed with me that posters who play D&D are also the ones who shitpost the most according to their IPs. We shouldn't encourage shitposters and we shouldn't allow them to ruin this board any further.

It's autistic, it's childish, it shows you lack any form of mental complexity, start playing GURPS or eventually the banhammer is coming down.

>>51588481
Just a reminder that using the term BBEG is a bannable offense. If anyone complains about expectations of a minimum level of maturity and intelligence and derails the thread, please report him.

>>51577470
Look, let’s be honest here. People who post on 4chan are retarded and need to get banned. It's plain and simple and I don't think we need to enter the details, but I've spoken to mods several times and they've all agreed with me that posters on 4chan are also the ones who shitpost the most according to their IPs. We shouldn't encourage shitposters and we shouldn't allow them to ruin this board any further.

It's autistic, it's childish, it shows you lack any form of mental complexity, stop posting or eventually the banhammer is coming down.

>>51576457

Redpill is far, far worse. BBEG may sound stupid to you but it works. Redpill doesn't even make sense. "Redpill me on [mundane shit that needs no explanation]". Nigger, there's no illuminati shit going on with a fucking game.

>>51588244
It just so happens that his job is crushing nations under his master's boot and his men are brutal, merciless eugenicists.

>>51576424
How else are you supposed to establish the evilness of your villain, and justify one of his followers turning traitor?

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>>51589338
Sorry. You've got the wrong idea.

>>51576424
It is a short hand way to establish
>he is really evil
>he has so much power over his men that they dont question it
>he has enough manpower that the loss of even 10 men daily will not cut into his reserves

>>51588481
>widely accepted

Stop acting like you can just say dumb things and never be made fun of for it, and then say even dumber things to try and save your ego.

>>51591293
Yeah! This isn't politics!

>>51576466

You know, the thing about Darth Vader is that he's in constant, agonizing pain. He doesn't give a fuck about anything, because he's constantly thinking - "You know all those people who aren't like, 100% burns? FUCK THEM. FUCK THEM ALL."

When you're constantly hurtin', you'd have a legendarily short temper.

>>51592064
Plus, he was really fuckin' old. Ish.

>>51579673
>>51579748
>There is literally a line that says "The Empire strikes back"

>>51592064
>Be covered from head to basically your knee caps in third degree burns
>Be forced into a life-support system that constantly has to supply you with pain killers and the necessary gases to breathe and LIVE
>These inept Imperial motherfuckers still have the audacity to question your orders as if you aren't literally a guy who murdered children because the Emperor convinced you the Jedi Order were evil

>>51589981
I think it makes sense, at least in a Matrix-like context.
You're asking someone to explain something in a way that questions your basic assumptions about it.

>>51588481
>shitposting is a bannable offense
Enjoying your first week on 4chan?

>>51576785
>>51576567

Something that was barely ever practiced mind you. There were, so far as I can recall, only a few generals who actually did it that we have records of. It's not like they did that shit all the time. It was an obscure practice.

>>51596347

Woops meant to click >>51576545.

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>>51576424
Because people want their big bad to be like Darth Vader.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYZoXIYYm0g

Why can't all the BBEGfags and the DMMVfags, and the all the other snowflakes just use their preferred term, and just stop bitching. What are you shitlickers achieving by arguing over minor bullshit like this.

>>51576424
It really depends on the nature of the BBEG's minions and how expendable they are.
I always thought that Vader was fucking retarded because training someone to become a high-ranking military officer takes a lot of time and money, so one should only kill one when he has proved to be a complete retard repeteadly. Otherwise it's a completely unnecesary waste. Meanwhile, the droids from the Clone Wars were so expendable that killing a bunch of them just because its officer was mad wasn't that much of a problem.
Of course, all of this only matters if the BBEG is a pragmatic or level-headed guy. If your BBEG is a huge angry demon who is constantly butthurt I doubt he will be chill enough to think about any of this, but in that case the DM should show the negative consequences of this attitude by giving him a lack of personnel or his troops having shit morale.

>>51594674
BBEG stands for something. It's straightforward: the first letter in each word.

"Redpill" references a single scene in a movie that came out nearly two decades ago. A movie that is known more for its cinematography than its plot or dialogue--and that cinematography has already become stale and cliched.

>>51597045
But "big bad evil guy" doesn't mean anything by itself. You need to conjure up some definition, and people disagree on what the exact definition is because it's not inherent. In fact, the BBEG doesn't need to be big, bad, evil, or a guy.

>>51597045
>Look, lets be honest here. People who reference The Matrix retarded and need to get banned. It's plain and simple and I don't think we need to enter the details, but I've spoken to mods several times and they've all agreed with me that posters who make these references are also the ones who shitpost the most according to their IPs. We shouldn't encourage shitposters and we shouldn't allow them to ruin this board any further.
>It's autistic, it's childish, it shows you lack any form of mental complexity, stop using it or eventually the banhammer is coming down.

>>51597122
>3 adjectives and a noun don't mean anything

>>51576457
What term would you use, faggot? What, in your wisdom, is the correct term to use for the character generally accepted to be the active antagonist of a setting or storyline?

Go on and tell me about how your setting doesn't have BBEGs and your totally original setting has dwarves in trees and elves in mountains, with no dungeons or meme wizards or paladin goodness, because you are far too grown up for that baby shit.

>>51579575
>What if there are no good guys?
FIFY

>>51597406
They really don't. Compare it to something like Primary Antagonist. Or Final Boss.

>>51597448
The BBEG isn't the "active antagonist" though. The active antagonist can be just about anyone, and is a temporary designation.

In fact, this is one of the examples of how people often get confused as to what a BBEG is.

>>51597554
>They really don't. Compare it to something like Primary Antagonist. Or Final Boss.
BBEG is an acronym and easier to type than Primary Antagonist. If you want to always type Primary Antagonist as opposed to BBEG nobody will stop you, but I will type the shorter word.

>>51597554
An antagonist can be passive or aggressive, sure, but I used the designation in a crude attempt to create a difference between a passive antagonist - evil creatures or monsters that just happen to be in a place - and an actively evil character that is attempting to conquer the world, or the PCs have reason to try and prevent from achieving something.

But there's another thing - the moment you get away from the term BBEG, people start getting into semantics. Everyone does enemies in their games differently - sometimes it even varies by the setting - and going 'we shouldn't use BBEG' just means you end up getting into endless hairsplitting over what a BBEG is, what a BBEG is not, and what terms you should use instead. And that drags out the discussion of pointless bullshit into discussion of even more pointless bullshit just to discuss the first bullshit. And that just gets stupid.

It's the same essential problem as someone correcting grammar instead of actually opposing an argument's points, or saying 'it depends on the setting' when posed with a question (which, while always true, also becomes idiotic since it can be applied to any question).

>>51597640
The "it's shorter to type" argument may be fine for you, but it does also seems to generate a lot of confusion. It also seems a little long, considering that something like "Primary Antagonist" would work as PA and be two keystrokes shorter. If you really value efficiency, perhaps you should champion PA instead of BBEG? It might take a little time to get it to catch, but all you have to do is say something like "The Primary Antagonist in my game is a dick, how do I stop the PA from running from each fight?" and people will likely catch on quick. That is, of course, if you consider efficiency to be of absolute importance.

>>51597705
>But there's another thing - the moment you get away from the term BBEG,

Most people don't have any problem using villain. "The" villain also gets used to designate a primary one.
Remember, BBEG isn't really used by that many people, especially in the wider gaming world. It's a little weird to say that we're dependent on it.

>>51597863
But if BBEG and villain are essentially interchangeable, and villain is widely used, what's the problem with using BBEG?

It's not that there's reliance on it, there's just no point in continually arguing the point if the term comes up. Otherwise we end up like we're doing right now - arguing this point tangentially related to the discussion, instead of allowing discussion to flow from the original idea into something new or interesting. I - and you - are the cancer killing /tg/.

>>51597863
You know what doesn't take time to catch?
BBEG, because people already use it where it's usable in all forms of media you fucking idiot.

>>51597937
BBEG and villain aren't essentially interchangeable though. BBEG was originally a specific type of villain, and many will argue it still is, which is at odds with your usage and definition.

It's really a very awkward meme that seems to have just gotten tired.

>>51597941
So, you don't care about efficiency? Than why argue you do?

>>51598031
Lets do a step by step.
1) I'm a different guy.
2) You're the same guy every thread
3) It's four key presses that people already understand
4) It's going to keep being used until another big personality uses it enough times on tv or a podcast and it spreads like a wildfire

So if you really want to win your stupid crusade against bbeg (which people already understand get and use if they so choose) start working on your career because otherwise it's gonna keep being used due to its speed and already being understood perfectly fine.

>>51598021
I think that last part is just your personal opinion, and even if it were true, there are a lot more memes out there that I personally dislike more than BBEG, which is acceptable to me.

The first part is more arguable, but again, it turns into an endless and ultimately fruitless back and forth that goes nowhere farther than 'why won't those BBEG-loving faggots agree with me' and 'man I hate those faggots that don't like BBEG.'

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>Anon is seriously trying to make "DMMV" happen
>even though it's never going to happen

>>51598073
You fail on step two, and I'm not even sure about step one.

It's a bit of an awkward phrase that you really seem to like, and while you are free to keep using it, you really should calm down and stop attacking everyone who tries to explain anything to you. There are reasons people dislike it, and you seem to be rather upset to hear about them.

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>"BBEG" with "gray morals"

>>51598142
I agree that PA and DMMV are awkward phrases but I genuinely believe they are superior to the ancient alien BBEG term only shitposters use.

It's so nice to see fellow enlightened minds such as myself in these disgusting threads.

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>"BBEG" who "opposes" the "PCs" but is "nice" and "fun" with his "minions" of "monstrous" races

>>51598073
>4) It's going to keep being used until another big personality uses it enough times on tv or a podcast and it spreads like a wildfire

I have a hard time imagining anyone actually saying it out loud, either as "BEE-BEE-EE-GEE" or "Big bad evil guy." While people did say "Big Bad", BBEG is sort of like saying ROFL.

>>51598203
That's a good thing because it means you've never heard some fat chick try to sound like they're a character written by Joss Whedon say either of those.

Enjoy such a freedom, because one day it'll be gone.

>>51598203
Do you think people really are going to use terms that they heard online when playing games with people in real life, who probably have had no exposure to the terms?

You don't even have to couch things in fancy language - you aren't trying to sell them a method of building a setting, or explain the exact nature of the relationships of various characters. Just say 'the villain' or 'the lich/the evil wizard/the minotaur' and call it a day, because your party will know what you mean.

>>51598073
>already being understood perfectly fine.

We've had people disagreeing on its definition only a few posts ago.

I understand you want to defend the phrase, but so far your major argument is "it's easy to type" when "boss" spares you the shift key.

>>51588481
>shitposting is a bannable offense
>reporting someone for arguing about THING I DONT LIKE

I want neo-/tg/ to leave.

>>51590026
Purely circumstantial, you understand.

>>51597122
And a red pill, by itself, means nothing. Hell, when you ask most people whether they'd take the red pill or the blue pill, most of them are going to think of erectile dysfunction medication first.

>>51598649
I've been here since Drew the Lich, and /touhou games/ days. It is actually a bannable offense to shitpost.

>>51576424
The same good, obvious reasons it's always been a thing.

>>51603171
outside of /s4s/ and /b/ that is

>>51577241
also, bbeg belongs to the story, whereas a dmmv belongs to the dm.
the difference is in whether the character is a true npc, or the dm's pc(cast in the role of villain).
did you not read the thread?

>>51604552
First, I should clarify that I am not anti-bbeg not that anon.

>bbeg belongs to the story, whereas a dmmv belongs to the dm.
There is no bbeg that does not belong to the GM.

>the difference is in whether the character is a true npc, or the dm's pc(cast in the role of villain).
There is a big difference between a DMPC and an NPC.
A Dungeon Master Main Villain could easily be an NPC.

>did you not read the thread?
If it was another thread, I'd appreciate a link.

>>51576514
I don't use it either.

>>51586416
No no, TVTropes always uses those overly pretentious phrases that are meant to be quickly ascribed to every character under the sun. Acronyms are not their style.

>>51576791
>popular use
The popular use term is "villain"

>>51576545
>Decimation dates to ancient Rome if not earlier.
Decimation is BBEG splitting his men to groups of 10 and forcing every group to choose and kill one their own group. By beating them to death with sticks.

Because when you kill every tenth of them they'd gonna hate you. But if they killed every tenth of them they'd hate themselves.

>>51576500
You are figthing an uphill battle that ain't even worth fighting

>>51605379
How many villains do need to defeat before you reach the villain?
Is he the boss?
Who's his boss?
Are they all antagonistic?
Who is primary?

>>51598152
You can be an evil shit and still show proper respect to the people who have proven their loyalty.

Killing everyone just runs off the smart hires anyway.

>>51576424
Because how else would you know he's the bad guy?

>>51605440
>ain't even worth fighting
Preach it brother!

>>51605509
They might wear a black hat...

>>51576457
Do you have a robot informing you when the term BBEG is used on /tg/, or are you just suffer from severe autistism?

>>51605558
If it is the anon I am familiar with, it's definitely one, and possibly both.

>>51576424
Because the subordinates still don't understand that the organization of the BBEG created is trying to create a systematic society with laws and structure.

But they pillage and burn with no rhyme or reason.

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>>51576424
WHAT MANGA IS THIS FROM
MUH GOOGLE FU IS WEAK

>>51576424
So you had your PC cum on his armor/robes when he wasn't looking?