mtg: modern general

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Playin?
Hatin?
Buildin?

>Playing
Gx Tron, though i'm probably gonna sell it. Way more linear then i thought it would be when i bought it

>Hating
I was salty about infect before the git probe, now i'm alright

>Building
Naya Burn. That decks curve and flavor makes me rock hard

>OP pic related duh

>>51572463

>Whats the best removal in the format?
Path to Exile will pretty much always be #1, simply due to how versatile it is.

> Any that is lowkey spicy tech?
Forked bolt always got me some crazy value when I used to play it, but I'm pretty sure the meta has shifted enough that it's not nearly as good now.

>Think fatal push will make a sizable splash in modern?
It's a nice bit of supplemental removal for decks that can't run bolt, but it's not replacing anything.

>>51572463
>DAT Rebecca Guay art
Will we ever get more? The commander lands were nice, but not enough

>>51572463
>Whats the best removal in the format?
Lightning Bolt

> Any that is lowkey spicy tech?
Filigree Familiar as an alternative to Kitchen Finks

>Think fatal push will make a sizable splash in modern?
Yes, I've been very impressed by the card from what I've seen so far.

Early morning bump

>>51572463
>What is the best removal in the format?
Dispatch. Doesn't give them a land like Path and it can be splashed for with the help of Mox Opal.

>Lowkey spicy tech?
It's a secret.

>Think fatal push will make a sizable splash in Modern?
Of course. Takes out pretty much anything you could expect to see from BGx decks.

>>51572505
>Playing
Grixis Control, BGx, Skred Red, Zoo
>Hating
Tron, anything with Bridge from Below
>Building
A whole lot of jank. Mostly BR.

>>51572505
>PLAYING

Jund

>HATING

The Tron and UW Control players at my LGS that have made it pretty much impossible for me to 4-0 at FNM

>BUILDING

Nothing right now, might give Suicide Bloo a try if it ends up still being viable without Git Probe.

>>51572505
>Playin?
Gx Tron
BW Triskaidekaphobia
>Hatin?
Any UW build. They stopped me from being first during the last FNM
>Buildin?
U Tron
BW Triskaidekaphobia
EnduringIdeal.dec

>>51574049
How did you lose to UW with Tron?

Would it be a good idea to brew a waste not mono black control deck?

Looking for more fun oriented modern deck, getting bored of tron.

>>51574369
Too much control

Mox Opal should be banned already.

It's bullshit that a strictly better card than OG moxen is legal in a format like Modern and is being abused by unfair and unfun decks like affinity or lantern.

>>51574658
>better than og moxen
>need you to dump your hand for that sweet mana
>played only in affinity and a trash deck


>>51574049
>GW tron
>Lose to control


literally what?? kys

Please, nobody respond. One thread already had to die

>>51574565
You're playing tron wrong then

>>51574783
Dude dont engage him

>>51574783
But it is strictly better, because it's rainbow and you want to dump all your hand anyways.

Don't defend this broken thing just because you play a broken deck.

Modern is no place for cards that should be limited in Vintage to begin with.

>>51574821
>broken deck
>not even tier 1
>broken

Do you play magic at all?

RIP thread. Btw blatant shitposting is a rules violation. Keep that shit to /b/

>>51574821
yeah no that's literally not what strictly better means they're not even flexible when it comes to the cards they have to come with. it HAS to come in with 1/1 and 0/2 0-drops to be broken

affinity just top 8'd a big tournament once in god knows how long. though i'd say i'd agree it's auto ban if combo decks abuse it

don't even need to discuss the other meme deck.

>>51574872
>affinity isn't tier 1

>>51574912
It would play those cards anyways and as far as these decks go, who play many artifacts anyways - Opal is a strictly better card than OG moxen for these decks.

Such a card must be banned from Modern.

>>51574885
found the frontier player

>>51574972
Fuck off. This shit already killed one thread. Why dont you, if you hate opal so much

>>51574959
>BAN OPAL IS BROKEN
>literally only one build to make it broken, with other trash cards


dude are you having a stroke?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/27-01-17-esper-geist/

What y'all think? Sleeper? Jeskai and grixis had a baby. I don't need no bolt

>>51575056
Seems fun for an fnm. How are the big matchups?

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>>51574658
>>51574821
This man is an imposter.
As someone pro Mox Opal banning the strictly better rhetoric is the giveaway.
It's like he's trying to force meme a narrative for the opposition's argument.
Someone said Mox Opal is strictly better than OG Mox in a context, it was clarified like 10 times and the buttmad muh vintage retards wouldn't let it go because they couldn't read.

Go home and be a family journalist for CNN.

Anyway, thoughts on Unlicensed Disintegration in Modern?

>>51575080
maybe fringe decks? unconditional removal is A++ but only aggro decks would really want the player damage and walkers besides LOTV aren't really popular in modern

K-command comes at the same price too

>>51575080
Costs too much for what it does

Context was that opal is strictly better. The "in modern" part makes even less sense. How can you have vintage power level in modern you can't storm off opal

>>51574991
enjoy your overpriced baby jaces

>>51575124
WhynotbothMexicangirl.jpg

Sometimes I brew BR midrange but the atrocious weakness to enchantments (namely Leyline of Sanctity) is sad.

>>51575141
Oh i did. Sold the three I opened for 80 bucks each. Can't believe tried that shit in legacy

>>51575151
In my BR shit brew I run zombie fish for beats and splash green for goyf and naturalize. Dammit jund why can't i escape you

>>51575170
Speaking of babby Jace how about him in Modern?

I think Grishoalbrand lists use him sometimes and for a while Grixis Control builds tried him out.
What else could be done with him?

>>51575222
Not much. He's not really that good when bolt kills him twice. Like you said, some lists run him, but i wouldn't splash for him or anything.

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FREE MY BOY GGT

>>51575151
i've tried to brew BR midrange and every time I just end up with a worse jund

>>51575080
Looks like its for agro with the 3 extra damage, but its at 3 mana. So too much mana for an agro removal spell.

>>51575304
Hey, i was gonna post that pic! once dredge was brought up. Delete this!

>>51575222
I've been fucking around with him in a budget BUG deck that uses flip jace and lili last hope until snapcaster and lili of the veil get reprinted in MM17. He's alright, getting a walker back with lili is pretty cool, and he's real good with damnation and such, but unlike snap he kinda prices you out of playing countermagic so your blue is just for like thoughtscour and the fun-of mystic snek.

>>51575320
DREDGE IS ALWAYS BROUGHT UP. NO PEACE UNTIL MY BOY GGT IS FREE

>>51575222
Dies to removal and isn't Liliana. Unplayable.

I did it
I bought Nahiri jeskai
Amy tips?
Inb4 Play a good deck

>>51575368
Play a go...

Well played, anon

>>51575368
Don't play against dredge.

>>51575368
Play a good deck. Honestly

>>51575368
>play a goo-

>>51575351
>Liliana -2's
>IN RESPONSE FETCH, THOUGHT SCOUR, TAP JACE
>welcometoquantumchess.jpg

>>51575368
>I bought Nahiri jeskai
that would've been a good decision
if it was made half a year ago

>>51575368
You're playing control in modern. Your deck choices and build have to be incredibly meta-dependant. What are you expecting to face?

>>51575339
WE MUST SECURE THE EXISTENCE OF OUR ARCHETYPE AND A FUTURE FOR COMBO PLAYERS

>>51575394
Why would you -2 against anything but boggles or infect. Just bolt him the second he hits the battlefield and use her +1 to make them discard while lying to yourself and thinking YEAH JUND IS GOOD AGAIN

>>51575428
>again
jund was never not good and never will be

>>51575428
hey meng jund is still tier...right? actually building junk right now lol. my whole damned country is soft to it.

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>>51575368
I've got a tip for you. open wide

>>51575428
You minus lili because it's a removal spell that doesn't give them a land
>still splashing red in your rock deck
>LaughingSpiritTokens.jpeg

>>51575461
if I had a dollar everytime I saw junk destroy jund...

>>51575461
>playing colours or tokens
>LaughinGhostDragon.pdf

>>51575486
>playing turn 4
>LaughingAgent.exe

>>51575461
>playing junk
>masturbating over your positive jund MU while being worse against everyone else

>>51575509
Who the fuck plays Ugin on 4? Warping wails are mainboarded for a reason

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>>51575410
Gimme more shitty GGT shop ideas.

>>51575557
Man i've been looking for nazi propaganda with dredge shops on them myself. If anybody has them saved, plz post. Don't make ask the circle jerk general

>>51575541
Well I don't know about your LGS, but most people have to actually randomize their deck so they may not get exactly natural Tron + Wail + Ugin every time.

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>>51575557
Ah I fucked it. Heres what I wanted to post.

>>51575541
that tron who loses to UW control lol

>laughinggirls.jpg

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>>51575368
Do you play mono-u Tron or something?

>>51575632
Not bad. Should be amalgam's face with "out of the graveyard for free" I think

>>51572525
>Forked bolt always got me some crazy value when I used to play it, but I'm pretty sure the meta has shifted enough that it's not nearly as good now.

Forked Bolt was amazing in the Git Probe meta. My current "spicy tech" is Pillar of Flame from Avacyn Restored.

I've been running into so many Kitchen Finks ever since Fatal Push was spoiled, so I removed the 2 Forked Bolt from my deck and included the 2 Pillar of Flame.

I'm expecting a lot more in the way of Abzan CoCo decks, which this destroys handily

>>51575787
are you on delver friend

>>51575635
Post this mythical UW control deck that beats Gx Tron i wanna play it

>>51575787
>I'm expecting a lot more in the way of Abzan CoCo decks
Why? it's that archetype was tier 3 before fatal push. And fatal push hasn't made it any better

>>51575814
It's more that there is less GY hate running around because of the dredge nerf

>>51575799
oh, there's was just this nigger up there who complained about losing to UW control as tron.

he sucks

>>51575814
ey b0ss, coco just top 8'd like 3 major tournies

>>51575797
>are you on delver friend

Yep, my current list is this:


4x Delver
4x Snapcaster
2x Young Pyro
2x Tasigur
2x Gurmag

Spells

4x Serum Visions
4x Thought Scour
2x Sleight of Hand
4x Lightning Bolt
2x Pillar of Flame
1x Dispel
2x Spell Snare
2x Remand
2x Kolaghan's Command
2x Terminate
1x Fatal Push
1x Dreadbore

Lands
4x Polluted Delta
4x Scalding Tarn
1x Steam Vents
1x Blood Crypt
2x Watery Grave
3x Spirebluff Canal
1x Darkslick Shores
2x Island
1x Swamp

It's inspired for sure by Caleb Durward's list, though I play more fastlands.

>>51574783
>>51574812
I'm not sorry for not being able to spend more than 100 bucks for a deck

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>>51575741
Thats a solid idea actually. Gonna do that one next. Here's what my autistic friend asked me to make for him though to tide you over til then.

>>51575840
>he sucks
I do and my deck too, I never said otherwise

>>51575814
>Why? it's that archetype was tier 3 before fatal push. And fatal push hasn't made it any better

It's a local meta thing. I don't expect it at a high level but there are a couple players here that use it, in addition to a Jund player that has some Kitchen Finks.

The deck did get a lot better with Renegade Rallier, I will say that.

>>51575799
Just play stealyoshit.dec and kill them with their own Karns.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXYV774_6l8&t=117s

>>51575852
haha fukkin dredge guy time to save up all these retarded shoops for when our lord and savior comes back from the grave

Made a thread for this before I found this thread.
I want to learn to play MTG.
There are no circles around my town,so I have to resort to online play.
Where can I learn how to play, and maybe spar with other noobs without having to shell out 10 bucks for M:O?
Sorry if it seems cheap on my end, I just don't want to use that money on something I'm not even sure I'd like in the first place.

>>51575941

Xmage

>>51575941
try cockatrice (it's an online MTG simulator) or the official MTG app. DOTP is very beginner friendly but gets boring once you master the basics

>>51575941
Magic duels is probably your best bet

>>51575941
I've heard good things about Duels of the Planeswalkers

>>51575849
You should be. You can't even make a decent burn with.

>>51576016
I know but I'm still having fun with whatever I manage to build

>>51575968
>>51575970
>>51575980
>>51575989
Thank you, I'm trying out Magic Duels, if I get the hang of it I might get DOTP later.
Thank you all.

>>51576030
Thats cute. You should check pauper if you're poor

>>51575304
Lol I'm glad someone saved that

>>51576055
>Not playing more than one format
You don't like MtG that much, do you ?

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>>51575741
Here it is. My Magnum Opus.

>>51574658
>better than OG mox
Huh, I'm gonna put it in my jund deck right now, thanks for the tip man!

>>51576103
I play legacy, modern, pauper, standard and Canadian highlander. Don't get salty with me because you don't have disposable income

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>>51576116
Wait we improved upon the magnum opus. Dis one betta

>>51576116
And saved. You're doing god's work anon

>>51576145
nigga r u a burn player

>>51576145
I'm not salty
I'm just saying that I'm already playing Modern and Pauper, among other, in fa/tg/uys language

>>51576171
You're playing "modern". Sure all the cards are legal, but nobody takes you seriously. If you have fun, thats good, but most of us are spikes, and we have fun winning

>>51576169
No, i have a job. Like most people with disposable income

>>51576225
I meant cause you roasted him

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Redpill me on Goryo's Vengeance.dec

>>51576248
You should check your definition of roasted, Anon

>>51576248
oh, thanks anon. I just don't get the "i spent less so im having more fun" mindset

>>51576249
Fun to play for like a month, but you get bored very quickly.

>>51576279
You should buy more reading comprehension with your disposable income

>>51576249
It's expensive & sometimes you lose to yourself, but wins are really fun

>>51576290
Nah, think i'll just buy good cards in multiple formats

So what's the verdict on lantern?
Is it a flavor of the month meme or an actual contender? It's fairly cheap and I'm seriously considering buying into it.

>>51576055

God, I wish my store had pauper instead of Modern nights.

>>51576347
Was a meme. Now its tier 2. Its decent enough depending on meta

>>51576364
Dude Pauper is the fucking best format. It's fun, the meta is open and offers a lot of deck types, and also it's cheep. So it will never see a lot of play as Wizards wont see support from 14 year old kids try and buy their way to victory instead of just learning the game.

>>51576409
Pauper dredge is second best dredge

>>51576296
>>51576289
I want a deck that I will not get bored of playing. Any suggestions? I like blue

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>>51572463
>Whats the best removal in the format?
Kolaghan's Command is actually the best one in terms of pure value for cost.

>Any that is lowkey spicy tech?
No. It's all known.

>Think fatal push will make a sizable splash in modern?
Modern doesn't have what I would call 'must-kill' creatures in the 0-4 mana range outside of Podless and Evo-Chord. I think it's an extremely good spell under the correct circumstances, but Lightning Bolt already does it's job quite well and Path to Exile cleans up everything else.

>Playin?
UW Jerks!

>Hatin?
Standard. Really boring format right now.

>Buildin?
Nothing!

>>51576455
Jund or Grixis

>>51576481
Delver or control? Lots of midrange in my meta

>>51576503
I'd say control then.

>>51576503
Don't play grixis control, it's just meme jund for people who refuse to believe that blue isn't dead

>remand is one of the premier counters in modern
Just fucking end it already wizards

>>51576503
>Delver or control? Lots of midrange in my meta

A lot of people will say Grixis Control, but Delver tends to actually be really strong vs Midrange and Control matchups, with a pretty decent Aggro matchup. You have the counterspells and the ability to grind hardcore with Snapcaster Mage, Kolaghan's Command, and Tasigur. Every single threat is a must-answer.

Also, the lines of play are so varied that can you end up having different styles of play within the same match.

>>51576844
I saw a match where a guy remanded the same path to exile 3 times in a row, drawing into more remands.

>>51572505
>Playin?
Finished building Bogles a couple weeks ago, having a good time with that
>Hatin?
Wouldn't exactly call it hate, but dredge. Right now there really isn't a meta at the place I'm playing at, everyone plays something a little different, except for three dudes who all play the same dredge deck
>Buildin?
Got a WB brew I'm working on with Leylines and Starfield of Nyx which is getting pretty close to being good, also buying into a UB Shadowborn Apostle/Emrakul/Hideaway combo-ish thing that has been pretty fun and effective in testing

>>51575079
Pretty weak too Tron and drazi. Valakut too. Pretty good mu against the rest of the field. Gonna try aven mindscensor in the SB to help maybe slow Tron down.

>>51576455
RUG delver

>>51572505
>playing ?
Bring to light scapeshift
I know it's worse than titanshift, but I love blue
>Hating
Eldrazis
Even with the nerf they are still verry strong and my nerves do the rest, so I always loose to them
>building ?
RUG delver
I like how it play bad cards and pretend they are good

>>51576479
You make the same post with the same picture every time. Autism

>>51575391
>RiP
>Anger of gods
>Path to exile
>Timely reinforcements
Jeskai has all the tools to beat dredge

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>>51577325
i could start namefagging in modern threads again

>>51577829
You may as well. Avatarfagging is the same thing. Everyone knows it's you

I want to play smallpox but i'm too stupid to brew, what do?

>>51577917
Play hearthstone

>>51577921
i'm afraid if i try to learn another game i'll forgot how to play mtg

>>51577966
LOL are you brain damaged?

>>51577999
slightly? I got pretty fucked up in a car accident last year and spent a few months drifting in and out of consciousness at the hospital. my ability to concentrate and remember things just hasn't been the same since I got out

I feel like it's a miracle I can comprehend the MTG rules as well as I do, but that's probably because it's my only hobby

Considering modern is THE format for removal, what can I sideboard in tooth and nail to make it more resilient against the likes of jund and grixis?

>>51577917
Play 8 rack and hope you get good match ups

>>51578674
Eternal witness
Mark of asylum if you run white
Ghostly prison means they have to decide on attacking or killing
You could just bramble crush there lands too

>>51578674
eternal witness and boseiju

>>51575845
I'm curious how sleight works out for you.
Land (19)
1x Blood Crypt
1x Bloodstained Mire
1x Darkslick Shores
4x Flooded Strand
2x Island
4x Polluted Delta
2x Steam Vents
2x Sulfur Falls
1x Swamp
1x Watery Grave
Instant (21)
1x Electrolyze
3x Fatal Push
2x Kolaghan's Command
4x Lightning Bolt
2x Mana Leak
1x Murderous Cut
2x Spell Snare
2x Terminate
4x Thought Scour
Sorcery (5)
1x Collective Brutality
4x Serum Visions
Creature (15)
4x Delver of Secrets
1x Gurmag Angler
4x Snapcaster Mage
3x Tasigur, the Golden Fang
3x Young Pyromancer

Is what I run, I'm curious if pyromancer is even playable with push being so prevalent.

>>51579546

It used to be playable with Probe, so you could get value on t2 before push could stick. Nowadays it's too slow, because you need to have it *and* a 1cmc spell in your hand on t4. Basically the longer you wait in the game, the more likely the opponent is to have already killed you with 6 cards in hand trying to get that juicy pyromancer++ t4, or it was hand sniped before you had the chance.

That said, it's better than goyf in a deck with many spells, and is going to trade 1:1 or better for the same answer (minus bolt). Just don't topdeck it on an empty hand/board (aka the vs GBx boardstate)

>>51576052
Try forge it has (shitty ai) but good for playing magic on your toilet if you have an android. Also on PC, for playing against ai its a lot betterl than xmage

>>51580534
Why would anyone ever want to play against ai

>>51582298
It's fine to goldfish against.

i want a deck that plays bump in the night

>>51583276
Burn but replace the green with black.

>>51583276
Mardu Burn exists, technically. I'm a burn player and toyed with it for a while. Losing out on COmmand and Nacatl really sucks, though. Also, you have a critical mass of burn, but it's mostly sorcery instead of instant.

But the sideboard is pretty sweet with stuff like KCommand and Rakdos Charm. You can side in to a "control " deck, but you still lose.

>>51583276
Drop white from burn

>>51580351
I'm trying three in the hopes that with four delvers they simply won't have enough removal. Although the tempo loss from drawing one late game is a kick in the dick. I don't like clique in the deck so dropping all of them and putting in one of those is my worst case scenario.

>>51583482
What? No, don't do that. Boros Charm is way too good and your sideboard options (Deflecting Palm, Path, etc) are just too good.

Seriously why?

>>51575787
Mst3k fan?

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>>51572463
II need help transitioning from the paper format to online play

do I play duels or magic online ?

I basically want to transfer my deck to a game and play online

>>51583627
Xmage or Cocatrice.
MTGO if you want to pay for your deck again (albeit cheaply), but play against a slightly more serious crowd.

>>51583627
Don't play duels, don't ever play duels.

>>51583627
only play mtgo if you're interested in online shit like leagues and online tournaments. You can make a little change on mtgo if you play frequently enough too.

I have a playset of some innistrad heavy hitters and a few fetchlands from the reprint. I am wondering what kinds of modern decks are easiest to build and start into, I like blue and green mono but blue is best for multicolored.

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>>51583658
i play cheap decks here is my deck how much will it cost


Creature (16)

3x Akroan Crusader
4x Akroan Skyguard
2x Anax and Cymede
2x Favored Hoplite
1x Labyrinth Champion
4x Phalanx Leader

Land (22)

1x Ghitu Encampment
10x Mountain
7x Plains
4x Wind-Scarred Crag

Sorcery (3)

3x Reckless Charge

Enchantment (11)

4x Dragon Mantle
3x Hammerhand
4x Ordeal of Purphoros

Instant (8)

4x Defiant Strike
4x Feat of Resistance

>>51583765
I'm going to give you my first answer, and then a nice answer.

Holy shit, why are you playing such a shitty deck. You should Neck yourself.


But seriously, that deck will cost like, 5$ at most.

>>51583765
haha kill yourself my man

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>>51583808
told you I like shitty decks I like playing the decks I own in real life

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mox opal ban when? :^)

>>51584288
When they finally realize that having a vintage level card in modern for only a select few decks is problematic. so march

inb4 assblasted vintage fags who can't read

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If tortured existence was legal in modern, How would you build around it?

>>51584822
Probably with dark rituals and reanimate

Bois. If i'm looking for an assblasting deck to bring to my friends and completely dominate the "red/black haste and removal" "fairies of peace" and "RATS RATS RATS" what should I build?

I'm not looking to spend over $100 on it though cause fuck it's just a card game with mates.

>>51585086
Jund

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>>51585121
Maybe i'm being autismo but TCG kingdom priced it at over $1k because of the planeswalker.

You wut m8.

>>51585086
Wrong thread m80

>>51585086
I feel like there is something wrong about:
- asking for advice to dominate your friends
- but being too cheap to do it properly
- damage controlling that there's no cruel intent behind it even though the intent to wreck them is intrinsically questionable

I just feel like it's the most pussy way to go about things. It's like you're asking for advice on how to rob old people without physically harming them. Either you drop some real cash to show that you're a real big dick player or you do the right thing and figure it out yourself (like a good and proper casual) instead of giving us shit and vague parameters to work with especially when you're essentially asking us to help you shitkick casuals.

Anyways, the answer is burn. The answer is always burn in any format. But even the cheapest and reliable versions are well over $100.

>>51585254
it's just a pricing error on their end, if you order the cards it shows up as ~$110. Jund is a pretty fun strategy and sounds like it'd be fun in your meta.

>>51585086
Serious answer : control. UW or UB control with maindeck board wipes should wreck their shit.

>>51585293
>burn
That's not entirely true. I just threw together a mono red burn list with the TCG Low price as $26.82. The average price of $154.14 is scewed because of a listed average price of Lightning Bolts as $25 for some reason. But you can make a burn list that's halfway decent for casual games for cheap.

Or he could look at any competitive pauper list. Thats what i do whenever my EDH friends want to play 60 card whatever. Any of those decks would destroy.

>>51585086
Any stax deck would shit on their "I only play with creatures" decks

Explain the Nazi dredge meme please

>>51586147
>Mark Rosewater is a Jew
>Mark Rosewater hates Dredge for several reasons
>Playing Dredge goes against Jew MaRo
>Something something Nazis

>>51584036
You're a cool guy

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>>51586244
Thanks anon guess I'll go break out the old Nazi uniform when I'm playing dredge

>>51585293
ever socialize with guys before? being competitive is how human males socialize

>>51586931
Sure, but bringinng a legacy storm deck to casual night isn't being competitive. Its being a douche

>>51586965
false equivalency
you aren't any more correct in interpreting this random anonymous's paragraph long post than I am
also
>legacy storm
>under $100
get outta here

>>51587055
>not playing with slant eye cards

>>51587119
Yeah, if its casual, and your friends dont give a damn. Shit even most FNMs dont care

>>51586965
In some places casual means "anything goes" And you have people playing 4 sol ring eldrazi and tinker blightsteel shit. Although I always carry around newbie friendly decks for when I end up in a kitchen table environment

>>51588816
Amen to that. Just dropped $20 on modern-legal 5c Zuberas, just to have something to jam with.

>>51588816
Unrestricted vintage casual is best casual

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>>51575459
That's one handsome fella.

>>51572463
Guay > FNM Promo > Duel Deck > (POWER GAP) >>> (POWER GAP) > Leonin getting btfo

>>51589619
I believe that is Oreo King of Brimaz, not Leonin

>>51589642
what? are you taking about brimaz king of oreskos, if so path to exile was printed way before brimaz was ever brought up in the story

>>51589619
I actually like the promo the most. Then wurm and catman. Guays arts is gorgeous as usual, but it doesn't have anything do with exile, imo. The cat is obv. Getting erased, and while the wurm looks like it's getting bolted its still dying. The promo feels like there is a story behind it. What did he do to get irl exiled? What is he gonna do now that he is? is he The Kid from Bastion, with his red scarf?

With Fatal Push is Esper Delver a some what viable meme pls let me play baleful strix in modern

>>51572463
I still think bolt is probably the best removal in the format, but push is pushed as fuck. I expect to see more GB Rock decks in the future, as a result.

>>51590501
Rock is WBG, so saying GB Rock is redundant. Its like saying GB jund or UW jeskai

>fatal push reached almost path of exile prices at my area

Also a question, is it worth running Heroic Intervention for tron mirrors?

>>51590733
Eh, maybe. I would rather cast a scrying, wail, or cracking an egg on turn 2

>>51590733
Nope, the mirror is about the die roll and Karn g1 and Warping Wail and/or Loam+Quarter lock in games 2 and 3.

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>>51586381

>>51590540
Junk is WBG
The Rock is just GB and runs shit like death cloud.

>>51592048
Yeah, your right. I misremembered. Still my post's point still stansds

>>51579546
Sleight of Hand actually works really great. The deck needs a lot of draw to even work with 19 lands. In my maindeck with 2 remand, 4 thought scour, 4 serum visions, and 2 sleight of hand you have a lot of draw power.

Also, in regards to Young Pyromancer, he was never a "set and forget" option. Generally you want him out T3 or T4 with a couple spells to use with him. Preferably a counterspell so you get some tempo advantage. In rare situations (i.e. vs Tron or Ad Nauseam) you'll drop him T2.

The deck definitely got worse with the loss of Git Probe, but it's not out yet. Just needs some work.

Overall your deck looks pretty good. Personally I've moved away from Electrolyze. You may also want to try getting a Spirebluff Canal or two, card does some serious work in a deck with 19 lands. I'd also do -1 Young Pyromancer and +1 Sleight of Hand.

>>51576257
>doesn't think making fun of the poor is funny
>???

>>51578162
that's hilarious desu

>>51592308
Different guy

I've been unimpressed by Sleight of Hand in the deck, personally. Serum Visions and Thought Scour are nice because they don't just draw you a card. They either guarantee a Delver flip, set up your next couple of draw steps, or fuel Delve+Snapcaster. Sleight of Hand offers card selection, but provides little else to the deck. If I wanted more cantrips in the deck, which I do, I'd probably just go up on Remands. In interet of curve, though, instead of the 2 Sleight of Hand I've been using, I'm going to be adding 1x Spell Snare 1x Remand

Naya burn is easy deck, they said.

Bolt to the head is all I need to do, they said.

>>51593987
they were right

>>51594041
kys

>>51593987
Burn certainly isn't the most difficult but yea, it has more play than that.

>>51593987
Bolt your own head for prowess triggers when leyline is on board :^)

>>51594051
What I have learned about burn is that appreciating min-max is all and everything. Besides not missing a single damage from optimal, it's not that playing in itself is hard, but learning to play against meta has been tough.

Compared to, for example, UR delver or Tron, I think burn is a lot harder to play. Although it's still nothing compared to hatebears.....

>>51594272
Hatebears is very easy to play. Delver decks are difficult

I like combos. What a good combo deck in modern?

>>51595328
Cheeri0s

>>51595328
Ad nauseum is really the only one that puts up numbers at this point.

And knowing WotC, they'll probably ban that, too

>>51594272
>Compared to, for example, UR delver or Tron, I think burn is a lot harder to play.
Spoken like a true retard.

when will mm17 spoilers begin? I want to see snapcaster's new art

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>51596211
Maybe it'll be the art from this promo.

>>51596211
>when will mm17 spoilers begin?
I'd say 3 weeks before release so last week of february

Guys. I started playing jeskai nahiri like 8 months ago but the deck has been cucking me hard as of late. I'm very seriously thinking if converting it to grixis delver. Will I have better luck with that deck?

>>51596319
God I hope not

>>51596573
Grixis Delver is the definitive Snap-Bolt deck of the format.

>>51596573
You might, but Delver is more difficult to play than Nahiri, so if your problem was getting good you might have a hard time

STORM LIVES, I REPEAT STORM LIVES THIS IS NOT A DRILL

Mr. Frenchy went 5-0 in a Modern tournament with this build, primarily working off the fact you can play 7 Goblin Electromancers in Modern now.

4 Baral, Chief of Compliance
3 Goblin Electromancer

4 Serum Visions
4 Sleight of Hand
3 Thought Scour
4 Desperate Ritual
2 Grapeshot
4 Manamorphose
4 Pyretic Ritual
3 Remand
1 Empty the Warrens
4 Gifts Ungiven
2 Past in Flames

3 Flooded Strand
1 Hallowed Fountain
2 Island
1 Mountain
4 Scalding Tarn
1 Shivan Reef
4 Spirebluff Canal
2 Steam Vents

Sideboard
2 Wear // Tear
1 Dispel
1 Hope of Ghirapur
3 Lightning Bolt
1 Shattering Spree
2 Blood Moon
1 Crumble to Dust
2 Empty the Warrens
2 Leyline of Sanctity

>>51597250
>5-0'd this one time
Big whoop, UB Mill has done that and more.

>It's a turn 2 Cheeri0s episode yet again

I love that WotC breaks Modern every set.

>>51597250
My fungus tribal went 5-0 too that doesn't mean it's a real deck.

>>51597600
Just gotta wait for wizards to ban Opal and finally balance the power level of modern.

>>51597802
>Banning Opal
You again?
Don't you have some rant to put on youtube, Desolator?

>>51596319
Fuck that, anything but slamdunkster mage.

>>51597802
>My fungus tribal went 5-0

Post list I would love to play Fungus Tribal.

>>51596578
>>51597923
>Not liking Snapdunker Mage
But entire that or new art. They never reused the Real Likeness art except for one time (Time Sprial).

>>51598730
I would enjoy the card if there was some flavorful reason to trace a basketball player, but you cant even tell what plane hes on. It should have been teferi in tolaria or maybe drawn by somebody who can put a card in a living breathing world instead of a dumping a spots magazine cover onto a generic cliffside.

Couple questions since Fatal Push has time to breathe:

You think Delver is back in good standing thanks to Fatal Push? I knew someone who top 8'd a GPT with it and kept praising the card.

And could Faeries make a comeback to at least be a deck that isn't shit? I've got Burn at the moment and I don't wanna be yet another Tron or URx player where I play at.

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>>51598990
you can try but I can't break 50% winrate lol

I've heard that there was a mechanism in a recent card that allowed to use Clues to empty the opponent's library. What cards allow that?
Are there other ways to use Clues?

>>51600040
You can sac them to draw cards. It's pretty neat.

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>>51600146
Well, fucking jeez, I sure didn't know that.

>>51598964
>Look up Joseph Meehan on magiccards.info
Holy shit the tracing game is strong with this one

>>51600186
fleeting memories

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>>51600040

I'm guessing you're thinking about this card? I've never seen it work though.

If you want a deck that mills, creates infinite clues, and uses *VINTAGE LEVEL CARDS* for a BILLION mana, I recommend memeing out with B L U E motherfuckin S T A F F

>>51600297
Superb. Thanks.

>>51600327
>blue staff memer
Almost as bad as the mox opal guy baka senpai

>>51600327
Honestly, there are better builds for mill decks that don't use any enchantments or hedron crabs to mill efficiently.

Played agains a dude like that on FNM with my GW tron

I had one copy of Emrakul
And it was one of my draws without ability to cast her since at that point he milled me for 30+ cards
;_;

>>51593987

It's linear, but not 100% ez mode, which might sound surprising.

>>51600327
>>51600327
>B L U E S T A F F
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/blue-staff/
How the fuck does that work?
Let me guess
>Imprint Mixture or Reversal for permission shenanigan
>Imprint Merchant Scroll to keep Blue Sun in your hand
>Cast Blue Sun with all your ramp to flow your opponent's hand
>Win
Right?
Fun

>>51600327
I'm a guy who decided to start playing again casually with friends and I wanted to make a single deck. I've bought a few boosters and grew interested in a "draw/mill" Blue/Green with a little bit of Black (for cards like Glimpse) that uses the Ingest ability and Clues in order to keep a dynamic game, while some Green enchants like Unbridled Growth and usual Blue control stuff to keep the game moving.

It's just for messing around, really.

>>51600467
Basically acquire 3 rocks, then imprint Reversal. Gain infinite mana then use one of the tutors to grab Blue Sun.
It's a shitpile but it's fun

>>51600421
I'm a huge fag I know

>>51595328
Bubble Hulk seems decent with less graveyard hate in the format.

>>51600327
Who was this card made for?
It's garbage in limited and it won't see play in competitive.
Even for kitchen table it's largely a do nothing card.

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>>51600881
But anon, we need bad cards so that players can experience playing with bad cards and eventually realize that the mythics are the actual good cards.

That new snek is the one exception, it was a rare but they made it uncommon so BGx could be draftable with bandar etc
fatal push is secretly uncommon2, a subrarity inbetween rare and uncommon [/spoiler{

>>51600881
a guy actually milled with that card plus that other blue creature that also mills in one game at SOI prerelease. and my deck was good, I went x-0.

>>51601064
>this thing can bring back cancel from the gy
its a solid 5/10 wizard, it should bring back all instants and sorceries but its good enough, if there was an awaken burn spell it would have been a 7/10. Of course to be played in modern it needs to be a 9/10 and somehow be able to get a 2 for 1 like snapcaster.

>>51601408
It does 2for1. Sadly doesn't see standard play, since it's what I feel to be a trap card.

It's a fine card, I wish it was a 2/1 instead of a 2/3, but that's mostly because toughness in modern doesn't mean shit if it's below 3. 2/3 is fine though, 3 mana is fine for a Snapcaster in standard, the additional text is cute. Shitty awaken cards hurt so much though.
Johnny gets the shaft while Spike thrives

Best cards ever printed

1) Lightning Bolt
2) Tarmogoyf
3) Snapcaster Mage
4) Delver of Secrets

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>>51601696
>Delver of Secrets

>>51601733
I don't think anyone can argue that Delver of Secrets is insanely strong

>>51601696
Actual list coming through
>GGT
>Prized Amalgam
>Bloodghast
>Stinkweed Imp

Dredge Pride Worldwide

>>51601758
Not in modern

>>51601682
>best awaken spell exiles itself
>there is no way to redirect cards out of exile into the gy in black when it would be within its color
>the aforementioned lack of an awaken burn spell even though it would have been a reasonable 3 mana bolt and could have gotten a cool koth version
This is the reason why it sucks, tons of other set mechanic had support cards but awaken doesnt even support itself as a draft archetype.

>>51601832
This is what I hate about Wizards.

>make a new mechanic
>print it on bunch of cards
>do jack shit with it

I liked ingest, wanted to make a standard ingest B/U controll using exiled cards to fuel my shit, but it required ridiculous hands and setup to be remotely effective.

>>51601768
>1 drop 3/2 flyer isn't strong in modern
I'll have what he's having.

>>51601928
>1 drop 1/1 that occasionally becomes a 3/2 flyer if the stars align
ftfy

>>51601768
It was a T1 strategy during Cruise era and has consistently been either T1 or T2 during its entire life in Modern.

I wouldn't say that it's insanely strong, but it's very powerful and one of the top creatures in modern. It's put up a lot of good results recently, especially in the SCG Regionals this past weekend.

>>51601942
You're clearly not playing delver correctly.

>>51602002
Yeah I'm not stacking the top of my deck so it guaranteed flips on turn 1, silly me

>>51601943

Nah Delver decks in Modren have been Tier 2 for awhile now. I think Fatal Push is what it needs to be T1, at least in terms of just placing in top 8s more.

Also, would Dig Through Time still make BRx decks bonkers if it got unbanned? I don't know what could be done to make blue an ounce or three better in the format.

>>51601878
>that reasonable 4 drop eldrazi counterspell creature that becomes unplayable because it needs to process 2
>injest is fixed at a 1
>yet spell queller gets to be modern playable
Nobody at wotc will ever be able to explain shit like this. The only thing they do that is worse is ban cantrips.

>>51572463
best place to play magic online?

>>51602008
You don't need to stack your deck when the number of instants and sorceries does the work for you.

>>51602030
>Nah Delver decks in Modren have been Tier 2 for awhile now. I think Fatal Push is what it needs to be T1, at least in terms of just placing in top 8s more.

Right, I'm saying it's either been T1 or T2. Right now it's firmly T2, I'd agree wth you there.

Also yes Dig Through Time would make blue significantly better, but my feeling is that it'd end up in combo decks (RUG Scapeshift/Ad Nauseam?) rather than just traditional blue decks.

Unbanning Preordain would be a great first step.

>>51602082
Sure thing buddy ;^)

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>>51602099

>>51602037
>ban cantrips.

Atleast I can play my Probes in pauper
;_;

>>51602082
>just run bad cards to make this meme card work
Wew lad, delver dies to so much removal he's not even a good card since he just dies before he can do anything.

>>51603145
And preordain, and ponder.... wasnt modern supposed to be an eternal format btw?

>>51603150
>dies to removal
Dang, they just used removal on a 1 mana creature and not tasigur/angler.
What a shame.

>>51603267
Which is why I don't play vintage or legacy, if you don't run deck that can support 4x FoW your deck a shit and say hello to gazillion of storm decks that'll rape your shitter.

Still have one copy of foiled ponder just for the sake of having it and got rid of the rest.

>>51603350
>pauper delver is a stronger deck than modern delver
really activates my almonds

>>51603378
Maybe in the context of the format

>>51603378
Don't make me Stifle those almonds

>>51603418
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/pauper-izzet-blitz#online
tell this deck is weaker that modern delver

>>51603150
>all the cards run in delver decks are bad just to turn on delver
What are the bad cards in a grixis delver deck?
>people use removal on it because it can very easily kill them
Yes because that makes it bad.

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>>51603466

>>51603466
Nuuuh

>>51603471
Not him but pauper is hella lame. Commons have no complexity. Might as well just play casual with starter packs at that point

>>51603528
>brainstorm ponder preordain probe and counterspell are legal
>no complexity

>>51603569
Brainstorm is the only one that would have complexity. The rest are simple filter spells and a counterspell
Plus, you act like all decks run those cards

>>51583765
Reckless charge not legal in modern senpai

>>51603623
No I didnt. Im just saying there are more descision cards in one deck than all of modern.

How competitive is the average MTGO league?

I play on Xmage and while I don't mean to brag whatsoever, but, I don't lose games.

If MTGO is much more competitive I will buy into it; begrudgingly. I hate the idea of digital cards but I don't get to play enough in paper

>>51603691
>I play on Xmage and while I don't mean to brag whatsoever, but, I don't lose games.

You could have spared the false modesty and said "xmage is full of shitters" and nobody would have thought you were bullshitting.

Post list and I'll tell you if you lose games.

I doubt Wizards will ever unban it, but what would it take for Twin to come back?

>>51603735
leyline of anticipation, saheeli cat combo. Its back but it sucks shit.

>>51603732
I don't need you to meme on my deck. I need input on the quality of mtgo opponents

>>51603997
MTGO has the highest concentration of good Magic players than anywhere else with the exception being a Pro Tour. They can sate their addiction at any point and there is somewhat decent prize incentive to winning.

You won't find better opponents elsewhere. And if you find shitters just remember Wizards is too stupid to implement a matchmaker.

>>51604038
Worth was fired so maybe things will change....

>>51592048
>>51592276
In the past The Rock has sometimes been known to splash a third color. And the term is sometimes used to refer to any two- or three-color midrange value deck that includes GB. So it's not entirely pointless to specify that you're talking about a GB variant.

is Esper more than a meme yet

>>51604384
Maybe if people build it differently. It can work against Jund/k but against other, more aggressive blue decks and aggro it still loses.
Durdling just doesn't pay off in Modern

>>51601696
In what fucking context?

Because even in terms of Modern that's way off.

>>51604506
pleb

>>51604412
what do you think the best way to build Esper is then? I'm assuming you're talking about Draw-go and the Narset deck

>>51603997
>I don't need you to meme on my deck

And I don't need you to complain about xmage and say you never lose with your meme deck, because I guarantee you that people play top tier decks regularly (I always see GBx, affinity, infect, tron, etc) and you will find bad matchups no matter what deck you're playing. Play more, use ranked serious. You will find occasional meme decks but people with your elo will join and give you a run for your money.

>>51604719
>don't insult muh xmage
Kek

>>51604506
Can I get an in-depth analysis of Lava Spike?

>>51604188
They will never EVER implement a matchmaker.

It violates the number one rule of gambling addiction - everyone's got to win sometimes even if they didn't earn it.

Could you imagine the fucking salt that would exist if you only drafted or battled against the best players? That would mean an actual skill plateau would felt by players and I don't mean to say there isn't a skill plateau, but that getting your shit pushed in more often than not is going to make you FEEL it. A gambler/Magic player in order to continue feeding their addiction has to occassionally stomp some poor bastard into the ground, that's what keeps people coming back and completely dulls the pain from getting your own shit pushed in when facing someone who is superior but you don't want to acknowledge it.

When you attach a real number to your performance whether that be an ELO number or rank, some number of people are going to leave at a much larger rate than if you didn't have that system. That's one reason why they killed the ELO in Magic, not because it didn't work (it doesn't) but because you can't sell a game to people when they are literally sitting across from a person who has proven they have the biggest dick around with an actual science-number.

In fact, streamers wholesale would be against it. For many of them their entire income is based around the fact that they can take their mediocre shit and wreck some unprepared idiot.

>that feeling when anon didn't post their fungus tribal deck that went 5-0

i just want to make thallids work is that so wrong

>>51606214
I'm not that anon but I want to build this list for fun
I didn't try it in FNM yet and it probably need removal/counterspells and a better landbase

4 Psychotrope Thallid
4 Sporesower Thallid
2 Sporoloth Ancient
4 Thallid
4 Thallid Shell-Dweller
2 Thelon of Havenwood
4 Utopia Mycon
2 Vitaspore Thallid
2 Mycoloth
2 Plaguemaw Beast

4 Contagion Clasp

4 Paradox Haze

4 Khalni Garden
4 Simic Growth Chamber
4 Yavimaya Coast
4 Oran-Rief, the Vastwood
6 Forest

The legendary elf (Thelon of Havenwood) slows the deck down yes, really

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>>51605067
It's a guy standing on top of a rock being burned alive by a giant floating ball of fire. This fireball seems to be an attack from the Kami, spirits native to the plane of Kamigawa. Spirits who got so upset with mankind, they raged a war on all they deemed evil. Some people say kami attacks during this war were rife with trickery, subterfuge, and subtlety, draining hope and pride from the mortal world. But other attacks were a lot more straightforward. What did this man do to deserve being toasted alive? What sins did he commit in order to become crispy? Perhaps only the afterworld of Kamigawa might hold soms clues to this enigma.

And it does three damage to target player.

Played against nahiri stax, martyr life, and trondrazi today with my Tooth and Nail.

It went surprisingly well against the first two and a little more than 50/50 against tron.

Hornet Queen pulls is so clutch in every single game it gets on the field.

As I get more playtesting in, I'm going to experiment with Rishkar's expertise, courser of kruphix, and mainboard blood moons.

If I run 1 temple garden and 1 plain, it's possible to get some sick sideboard tech in as well, and even put in some stax tech as well.

>>51606404
that looks fucking awesome

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>>51576249
ur probably not gonna see this post but i wanna say that the variety of different ways to win and navigate disruption is pretty cool and greater than for other decks i feel.
It's also kind of funny how the blue countermagic matchups are better than the aggro ones.

Obviously it's dope when the deck hands you the turn 2/3 kill but for most games you'll be rewarded for being smart with your cantrips and looting

The deck is just overall wild imo. It's probably the only deck ever to utilize splice onto arcane, has some of the dumbest and biggest creatures in modern, can kill at instant speed, blood moon option, doesn't lose to any single type of hate, etc. feels like the most extreme deck in terms of big numbers as well, the sheer amount of life gain and cards and damage you get to do is bonkers.

Having said all that, you will absolutely lose to the deck and yourself but the deck is pretty powerful and if the above description appeals to you, you should proxy or play it online to see if it sticks with ya.


>>51599232
>no tarpits or mutavaults
maybe you'd win more if your deck wasn't missing over a third of its threats?


>>51595328
speaking of combo decks in modern, is taking turns the only one that doesn't play creature cards?

>>51606823
It's martyr proc you pleb

>>51597600
If you tap out turn 1 you deserve to lose desu

>>51607040
How can you not tap out turn 1? You don't play any 1 drop?

>>51607059
>How do I not slam my creature down so I can play magic the tappening as quickly as I can?

>>51607195
>What are noncreature spells?

>>51607235
>gotta throw this bolt at my opponents face asap

>>51607287
>I can't think of a noncreature spell that serve to advance my game plan

>>51607312
Besides discard which fucks over Cheerios, serum visions I guess. Everything else is just played by non-interactive shit that has no right to complain about the opponent playing solitaire. Cheeri0s is the policeman this format needs.

>>51607361
Then we're agreeing

t. Tron player

>>51607361
If you don't play blue or black, what do you even do against cheerios? Pray their hand is worse than yours?

>>51607528
Bolt, path, don't play mono green

>>51605037

>say you never lose on xmage
>patently false
>??????

great post

>>51607574
I'm sure this Elves player doesnt sideboard Dismember.

>>51574812
RiP and stony silence are aids against Ux Tron

>>51607574
>they side in pact of negation game 2
Now what?

>>51608112
you've got your leyline from sideboard, they need to draw their opals, their retracts and their echoing truth, with minimal 0s because they went off turn 2 with a pact of negation. You win off their pact 9 times out of 10.

>>51606593
You forgot o mention it's an Arcane Sorcerery that was implemented during the kamigawa block allowing you to basically fuse two spells with Splice into Arcane mechanic getting 2 for 1 from one spell.

>>51607574
You can still use Dismember in mono green or Beast Within.

>>51608362
Yeah but you can't hold up beast within turn 1.

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It still hurts.

>>51597250
>primarily working off the fact you can play 7 Goblin Electromancers in Modern now.

Uh, Baral is legendary. You could only ever play five copies at once and that deck can't even do that. I do like seeing how that surplus guarantees interaction with your Gifts Ungiven, Rituals, and Manamorphose though.

>>51608707
What hurts?

New bread when?

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BW tokens: i cant afford liliana edition

>>51609590
Honestly you should try out Sorin, Lord of Innistrad. Solemn Visitor is winmore in that without a board state he can't do anything. You make a dude and he dies next turn. Lord of Innistrad actually ticks up while giving you a board presence that has lifelink. He's just so good.

>>51609472
OP here. I'll make a new one shortly

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