Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

1st/2nd for the Dark Eldar

What special rules do you think black guardians will get? Hatred? Rage? +1 bs and ws? Pref enemy chaos?

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>repostan
I just got back from doing 1100 points against dark angels with commorrite eldar
>t1 try for night fighting, fail
>try and seize, succeed
>he scouts in his bike squad and assault bike
>blow up one of his bikes, wound his commander and put a wound on his assault bike
>his turn, ramps in and starts blasting, I take a wound to my talos
>turn 2, mishap my reaver squad in, he deploys them near my entrance instead of in his deployment zone
>twin-linked rapid-fire 20 splinter rifle shots, another 18 rapid-fire splinter rifles, and 2 dark lance shots into his bike squad
>he fucking saves ALL of them
>shoot into his assault bike squad and bike librarian HQ, kill them
>he then deepstrikes 2 termie squads and a librarian into the middle of all my skimmers
>manage to pass my jink saves
>my turn, disembark my archon, bring my reavers to bear
>wipe out a bunch of his termies, talos his bike squad finally, and try to reaver hammer of wrath his terminator captain squad
>lolnope, makes his saves, wipes out half my bike squad
>fail hit and run
>my archon goes in to fight his librarian, annihilates him
>all he has left in the bottom of turn 3 is a squad of 1 terminator, a squad of 2 terminator ...champion squad?, a squad of 2 marines and a squad of 5 marines(both of whom are in talos range)
>I have all my squads left: reavers (fleeing with 1 member left), 1 talos(2W left), my archon(3W left), 1 raider(10 kabalites)(3HP), 1 raider(9 kabalites)(2 HP), and 1 ravager(3HP)
>top of turn 4 he concedes

Do dark eldar start to suck after 1500 points? Because it feels like with how much dakka they drop, unless I'm against like...necrons or blood angels, I just wipe the floor with everything I go against.

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4th for fracture of beil tan breaks the game
>scatter bikes or WK getting 3 shooting phases in one game turn

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>>51562876
Reminder that Tau are one relic per model

>>51562951
Assuming they get the rule.

>>51562951
>3 shooting phases

>A unit can only make a Soulburst action once per turn.

Better ask GW for a FAQ

Early reminder

>new Ynnari Wraith Bundle formation for preorder
>currently sold out at over $300

Prepare your anus everybody. Soul bursting D-Scythes on the way!

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Ynnari Wraithknights. Oh baby!

>>51562977
scatbikes most definitely will, and it looks like so will wraithgaurd.

WK are a maybe, but at this rate it's best to just assume the worst. Hope is the first step on the road to disapoinment and all that.

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>>51562997
Horus Heresy general is that way

>>51562997
30k. But neat to have an Emps model nonetheless.

>>51563000
BRB says unless it specifies game turn "turn" means player turn.

>>51563015
>it will make Wyches playable!
>theyre totally not just sacrificial pawns!

>>51562951

They can't get 3 only 2.

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Im getting started in WH40k and just bought this guys on Ebay. What i must know expect Chaos sucks in 7ed?

>>51563046
Read the BRB. This is basic stuff

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>order Veridyan, 2 immolators, and a HFlamer as soon as they're available
>go through LGS because I like supporting him
>its a month
>all 3 are still sold out
>cant even call GW about it

I should have just ordered it myself. This is what I get for being nice.

>>51563051
>What i must know expect Chaos sucks in 7ed?
Chaos is actually in a rather good place right now due to traitor legions. Depending on what legion you want to play, you can create some pretty powerful lists

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>>51563040
A player turn is still all of the phases.

>>51563040
>le blitz brigade part 2 the sequel
Fuck off

>>51563075
I dont choosed legion. Alpha, Iron wwarriors or thousand sons. I like this 3, wanna some fortifications, magic casting and infiltrating in enemy ass

So will the new formations make Wyches useable?

>>51563040
Right, so if someone decides to assault the scatbiked and they annihilate them with overwatch you get another shooting phrase.

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What bonuses will they get?

>>51563096
“Whenever a rule refers to ‘a turn’ it always means ‘player turn’ unless it specifically refers to a ‘game turn’.”.
Page 577 of the e-book BRB.
This isn't blitzbrigade RAW fuckery, this is out right just how the rules work.

>>51563126
BS5
24" range guns
super duper battle focused

>>51563126
No -1 ld penalty vs slaanesh.

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>>51563133
Then I won't play you. Fuck off

>>51563126
Some version of Power From Pain based on how many casualties they've taken.

>>51563152

Not the guy you're responding to but the rule is pretty clear.

Can take 1 soulburst action per game turn - they can take a soulburst action in your turn.

>>51563194
Does that mean they shoot in an enemies turn?

So, I've recently bought an Imperial Knight. How stupid/awesome would it be to buy a Space Marine Tank to cut it up and use for the base of my knight? I want him to step on the tank with one foot, while aimimg his thermal cannon somewhere. Maybe add some Marines for decoration.
No, I will not ask/wip/.

>>51563220

Yep. It says the unit may immediately shoot as if it were your shooting phase.

>>51563152
Well that would be the wisest course of action.
You don't think I'm advocating this, do you?
I'm simply pointing out GW probably phil kelly that bastard has made the most powerful codex even stronger than before.

>>51563225
>No, I will not ask/wip/.
well then I'm not gonna give you an answer

>>51563225
it would look good if done right, so it would need some interior detailing, gears and bits fallen out of it, etc

you can probably get a scrap rhino on ebay real cheap for this.

>>51563124
Yep.
Or you have another unit within 7” (maybe 14” depending on the formation) shoot.
I absolutely refuse to believe anyone thought this was balanced. This can only be the result of the writer saying "how can I make it so that eldar never lose ever again?"

>>51563259
>balanced
Wrong game brah.

Maybe it'll get through your skull in another decade or so.

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>>51563225
So like this but with a crushed tank instead of a rock?

That'd look pretty cool, Knights are a centrepiece model so it's good to make them a mini-diorama imo.

>>51563249
Yeah, thinking of this. Buy a cheap Rhino, paint it in the colours of my dudes, then turn it into wreckage and let the Knight step on it.

>>51563225
buy some old destroyed rhinos, but i would be weary of putting too much on the base. also you should ask wip about the knight on a church, not for the meme but i liked the conversion

>>51563225
Well too bad, faggot, cuz /wip/ is answering your bitch ass.

If you asked there, im sure someone has the pic of making a Greenstuff wreckage by pressing a mould around a tank's front and rear top. Then you'd have the tank and a wreck.

>>51563303
I dont really want to ask wip, because I'm not that good of a painter, but I like the idea. Like this one here, but with a Rhino >>51563296

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>>51563303
Nevar forget

>>51563332
So?

I'm a prolific WIPoster and I've only finished one fucking model.

>>51563006
Do they still scream in horror?

Also, Sslyth

>>51563358
I-i just feel insecure. I haven't even finished one miniature. Everything is just at some inbetween-I-will-surely-put-it-together-someday stage

>>51563097
Iron Warriors and Alpha Legion are both pretty solid. Thousand Sons is harder to pull off in a large number, though if you just want Tzeentch Sorcerers that's easy

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>tfw the best Craftworld had to die because of some faggy Ynnead worshippers.

THIS IS NOT OK!

>>51563259
>>51563282
I'm getting the feeling that the Soulburst rule would only be balanced if you disallowed everything except for the movement option, making it a sort of reactionary Battle Focus.

So, as an Eldarfag, how do you tell the difference between Dark Angels and Fallen Angels? I've never paid much attention to the fluff of the three Space Marine spin-off factions.

>>51563434
At least Vect is going to get buttfucked too.

>>51563133
>This isn't blitzbrigade RAW fuckery

This is exactly the same as Blitz Brigade.

And rules as written, they're both completely legitimate.

>>51563406
This means I should paint this marines as Iron Warriors or Alpha legion and just take Cabal of black legion or Tzeentch formations? Am i right and can take some formations and CAD?

>>51563459
one's in black, with black bikes and black terminators
one's in green, with black bikes and white terminators

>>51563459
fallen angels always wear the hood.

>>51563466
Not Ok either.

This whole Ynnari bs is fucking retarded.

>>51563459
Some are loyal, some are heretics. If you have to ask which faction is loyal and which one isn't, YOU are probably the heretic one
>cue a Dark Angel BLAM

>>51563459
Dark Angels wear green and Fallen Angels wear black.

The former rove around in large groups, the latter show up alone or in small groups, then the former show up and kill a bunch of loyal guardsmen/marines in order to get to them.

>>51563482
Yes. That's how it works. For example, you could take an Iron Warriors CAD, a Thousand Sons Cabal, and another CAD of Alpha Legion and still have a legal army.

I would focus on one aspect of it for now, probably Iron warriors, and get yourself a solid core before you start branching out too much. Figure out the rules and what you want to run before going too hard on formations.

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>>51563491

I'm pretty psyched about it. Ynnead has long been my favorite Eldar story thread.

>>51563525
I would have been OK with it as well, had this Ynnead stuff not UTTERLY FUCKED OVER PRETTY MUCH ALL OTHER ELDAR FACTIONS!

>>51563338
What church incident?

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>>51563507
Ok, but the rumor is that a loyal faction becomes a traitor and a traitor faction becomes loyal.

And we see Fallen hanging out with Guilliman, so either the rumor is right and Res'd Roboute is a Chaos Daemon, and the Grey Knights flipped, or Dark Angels have been heretics the whole time.

Grossest thing about Rise of the Primarchs is that all the Yiff/DA shitposting might come to an end with the yiffs proven right.

>>51562951
Does soulburst work on units inside transports like everything in a dark eldar army or is it just more buffs to craftworlders?

>>51563589

If a unit is in a transport it is considered to not be on the table thus would not benefit a unit inside.

>>51563569
After all this eldar bitching I'm actually really looking forward to some old fashioned fallen truth bombs. I hope they try to portray both the Fallen and Dark Angels as noble but deeply guilty of bad things.

>>51563514
I can have even 2 CADs? Wow
And i heard terminators just suicide squads. I cant use them effectively as Vanguard force? And can i use Heresy terminators in 40k not as proxy?

>>51563563

It is story progression - it progresses a story I like. Ultimately I think it is very clearly obvious why they chose to blow up Biel-Tan over any other craftworld anyway.

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>>51563589
These rules are for Ynnead or whatever the new faction is called. They aren't for Eldar OR Dark Eldar, but an entirely separate faction (that is probably just a detachment filter for eldar, get rekted pornelf lol).

>>51563569
>Best Marines becoming heretics
Nah, turns out DA were the heretics all along. Also, Asmodai becomes a Bloodthirster through sheer rage.

>>51562951
Who the fuck takes a shooty WK? Also, 15-man Dire Avengers squad getting to shoot twice sounds tasty/broken as fuck. 60(!) rending shots at BS4 S4, jesus christ.

do you think if Abaddon dies GW will bring back Horus?

yes, he's deader than dead but GW will retcon anything

>>51563705
He died for our sins

>>51563651
Except this bullshit story "progression" literally fucks over most Eldar factions and renders them insignificant or flat out extinct, with only the Ynnead wankers remaining.

>Ultimately I think it is very clearly obvious why they chose to blow up Biel-Tan over any other craftworld anyway.
Why?
The only reason they blew up Biel-Tan was to render the miltary power of the CWE null, and basically phase out Aspect Warriors and everything around them out of the game.

We will never get any new aspect warrior stuff ever again, now that Aspect Warriors-The Craftworld is gone.

>>51563705
Depends. GW wouldn't bring him back. BL would, while somehow have him suck Drachnyens cock.

>>51563722
ynnead isn't fully reborn, so craftworld, commorrite, and harlequin eldar all still exist.

hell, even biel-tan is still around, just splintered.

>>51563705
they'd probably turn abbadabbadoo into a daemon prince before bringing horus back

>>51563722
Eldar were supposed to be insignificant. They've been dying the whole time.

Sure, they spanned the galaxy and are practically ageless and there's still billions of them, the exact opposite of Tau, but Eldar have been in decline since the setting was created, (also the exact opposite of Tau).

>>51563740
WD says that most Eldar from all the factions barring the most conservative ones, have joined with the Ynnead wankers.
Sure they may still "exist" but only as bud buddies and minions of the new tranny god.

They no longer exist as their own distinct entities.

>>51563722

Phasing out Aspect Warriors was the point. It isn't from a we want Ynnead to be best stand point, it is from a business standpoint.

AW are very difficult to justify as a plastic kit because they're hyper specialized, you don't need many of them, and there is no clear favorite (outside DA). So you either limp the current range along in perpetuity or you close the curtains on them and move forward with your all plastic range/line goal. The option is going to be B.

>>51563761
What I mean to say is that this isn't a kick to the balls of Eldar players. It's not a bait and switch or anything.

It's the natural end of the story arc that has been established as their "theme" since you picked up a rulebook.

>>51563770
I can't speak for craftworlders, but the haemonculus covens and vect himself both hate ynnead and are staying independent, so at the very least the commorrites are still around.

>>51563639
Chaos Termies do function best as suicide squads, due to the small minimum unit size, access to combi weapons, and relative lack of durability for points cost.

I don't think there's a good way to use 30k termies except as normal Chaos versions. I know loyalists got access to them in some way, though I don't think Chaos got that.

They aren't going to be too effective at spearheading a charge though. For that, you're Iron warriors. You want tanks.

What the fuck is going on? Is story really progressing or are we going to get End Times in 40k?

I wanted Dorn not rawbutt

>>51563783
And that's why there's aspect warrior in the formations right?
To phase them out.

>>51563794
I got it, thank you

>>51563804

The only aspect warriors in the formations are DA who are plastic.

>>51563797
>Is story really progressing?
yes. Fenris got fucked up completely, the planet of the sorcerers is back in realspace.

Cadia fell, abbadon got fucked up, and Trazyn collected Creed

and now despite Deathwatch fucking up the eldar ritual to rez ynnead, they pulled it off and blew up biel-tan.

>are we going to get End Times in 40k?
no.

>>51563639
Unless the player your up against has a stick up his ass 30k terminators should be fine

>>51562955
Reminder that Tau don't have relics.

>>51563797
progression rather than end times

You'll worship Guilliman's mighty pecs and you'll fucking like it, Fist.

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>>51563821
And the Howling banshees.

>>51563783
Which is fucking bullshit, since Aspect Warriors are a big part of what make Eldar what they are. They should redo the Aspect Warrior range in plastic as well. Make them dual kits with Howling Banshees/Striking Scorpions, Swooping Hawks/Warp Spiders, Fire Dragons/Dark Reapers etc.

I don't want the Eldar to regress to just wraith wankery and jetbikes. I want fucking aspect warriors. They are far more core part of the Eldar than wraith junk is.

>>51563858
Any reason all but the last are heavy/light armour mixes?

>>51563797
Story is progressing. It is not the full WHFB style "End Times" though. They aren't having the galaxy sucked into the warp.

I could see just about anything short of that though. I wouldn't be surprised if the final chapter is Abaddon killing the Emperor and dying in turn, with something or someone (Warp god Emps?) replacing the Astronomicon.

>>51563824
hol up

What happens to Space Wolves now? Im sure my boy Ragnar can save them with his mary sueness(reading his novels right now).

Abbadon failing is no surprise but how did Cadia fall?

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>>51563797
Farsight and Shadowsun worked together, Aun'va has been assassinated, and the Damocles Gulf has been set aflame, cutting off the third sphere colonies from the homeworld.

Fenris has been devastated, and Magnus has brought a planet out of the warp.

Cadia has been destroyed and the Eye expands.

Eldar, Dark Eldar, and Harlequins all schism (again) with the breakaways creating a new god and a new faction.

Roboute Guilliman has revived, and is escorting the Fallen Angels in a race to Terra.

>>51563790
So what Eldar players should just be like 'welp I wasted a lot of money there, good thing I get to watch everything I invested in die'

By the same margin the Imperium's always been described as a 'crumbling empire in its last days' so when is it gonna get the same treatment?

>>51563824
>and now despite Deathwatch fucking up the eldar ritual to rez ynnead, they pulled it off and blew up biel-tan.

Sort of. The ritual was supposed to create a god in full power. Instead they seem to have gotten a baby god.

>>51563858

If you say there are banshees there I believe you, I can't see them though.

>>51563866

I'm not disagreeing with you I just feel like this is why GW made the decision they did. Ultimately I'd love to see plastic AW kits but I also understand why they're a tough sell from GW's PoV. That said I would argue that wraiths are equally central to the Eldar 'concept' as Aspect warriors - the WL has been a central tenet of Eldar for a long time.

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>>51563842
They do when they ally with Cawl or Celestine. ;)

>>51563910
trazyn showed up and activated the pylons on cadia, which dispelled all the daemons on cadia. however, and someone feel free to correct me, the pylons put too much of a strain on the already fucked up planet, and it was pulled apart, blowing up cadia.

This was, of course, after abbadon managed to corner creed, get him in his hands, and FAIL to kill him.

In the mood to paint. What do I paint today? 6 Reavers or my 3rd and final(for now) venom?

>>51563915

It wouldn't be the first or the last time GW did such a thing. More to the point though they've not removed them from the game and probably won't for some time to come, this just justifies not producing new AW kits and instead allows them to focus on a newer 'space necromancers' theme.

>>51563923
Black bitches left side right image, death masks and big red hair.

>>51563910
Fenris and the population of Fenris are still alive. It's just tainted by Chaos and under inquisitorial sanction. Basically expect Space Wolves to be a "depleted" faction for a while like Crimson Fists or post-Kraken Iyanden.

DORNNNNNN!
BUILD ME THE WALL SO GUILLIMAN WITH HIS TRAITORS ARMY CANT REACH TERRA AND MY LIFE IS YOURS!

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>>51563915
The candle that burns twice as WAAC gets half the sympathy.

>>51563783
>Phasing out Aspect Warriors was the point. It isn't from a we want Ynnead to be best stand point, it is from a business standpoint.

Yeah just like how new models get better rules so they sell right? Which explains why Orkanauts, Flash Gitz and the Wazbomba are so totally OP.

Oh wait, that's right, GW doesn't write rules to sell particular models.

>>51563843

i head that if you worship Girlyman, you will also receive the private photo shoot of Gretfax and Celestine on Terra

>>51563945
and get his fucking spine and ass ripped off by Sailor Moon Incarnate

>>51563969
>No

>>51563945
Pylons blowed cause blackrock castle dropped om planet by Abaddon. He assault guard just for fun

>>51563915
Craftworld rulebook isn't overidden.

>>51563923
>That said I would argue that wraiths are equally central to the Eldar 'concept' as Aspect warriors - the WL has been a central tenet of Eldar for a long time.
Yeah, but they never overshadowed the Aspect Warriors.

There used to be just Wraithlords and Wraith Guards.
Lately, the only new stuff what the Eldar have gotten has just been more wraith stuff, in the form of the new Wraithguard kits, Wraith Knights, and the Wraith fighters.

I fear that the Eldar will undergo same sort of shit the Tau went trough, where one aspect (Wraith Stuff in the case of Eldar, Battle Suits in the case of tau) completely overwhelm the faction and overshadow everything else.

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Do we know anything about whats the best chapter doing right now and by that I mean Black Templars?

Also are Dark Angels finally confirmed to be heretic shits and Cypher as the hero we deserve?

>>51563945
>This was, of course, after abbadon managed to corner creed, get him in his hands, and FAIL to kill him.

>>51563993
Yeah but in fluff terms the only Craftworld which ever won a fight just died.

Am i an autist if i dont let my opponent use the ynari rules?

>>51564015
>Do we know anything about whats the best chapter doing right now and by that I mean Black Templars?
Presumably escorting greyfux, cawl and celestine to THE GREATEST OF THEM ALL

>Also are Dark Angels finally confirmed to be heretic shits and Cypher as the hero we deserve?
maybe
I doubt it'll be that simple

>>51563824

Fenris is still there mind you. It would be child's play to toss in a paragraph in their next codex along the lines of "Although Magnus' attack had caused great damage, at tremendous cost the planet was declared free of taint in M.41.999." And it remains to be seen if the planet of the sorcerers being back actually means anything. Hell there's an Ork out there plugged into the mainframe of a Forge World sending out well equipped warbands in every direction and the total impact on the fluff of that is nil.

Gathering Storm on the other hand is advancing stuff.

>>51564015
>Do we know anything about whats the best chapter doing right now and by that I mean Black Templars?
Whipping themselves, playing to a bleeding rock, maybe taking a break fro fighting chaos to burn people worth slightly too large earlobes..

>>51563915
All the old factions of Eldar are still around. The models are all valid. Yes there are changes, but that what happens when the plot advances. I don't see how this invalidates your army in any way. Unless you're just saying "I don't like it", in which case I understand but think you being very hyperbolic.

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>>51563960

Those are most definitely Storm Guardians. See attached picture.

>>51563978

I don't think this is a similar situation. I think this is from a how do we take a fairly popular concept and absolve ourselves of having to invest in most likely non profitable plastic kits. I'm not arguing they're trying to phase out AW or showcase wraiths here to make money - I think they don't want to make plastic AWs.

>>51564037

Depends on if he is a nice guy.

>>51564003

I can understand your concern and I too would love to see plastic AW but I don't think its going to happen, if it isn't for me, personally, ynnead is the next best option because its my favorite Eldar end game option.

>>51563969
https://youtu.be/0Vh_N8CpcL0?t=7m30s

>>51564050
the wolf spirits on fenris are gone. while there are some people on the planet who avoided the taint of chaos, the space wolves are absolutely FUCKED.

>>51564052
No what I'm saying is why does the change for Chaos and the Imperium have them kicking ass and taking names.

But the change for the Eldar just has them dying and failing more. When do the Eldar get to actually win a fight?

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>>51564026

>>51564064
GW's refusal to make plastic aspect warriors is fucking bullshit monkeygrubbing kikery and they deserve to burn.

>>51564071
Oh. This is just faction QQ. Carry on.

>>51564089

I mean they're a business and plastic kits are expensive to make. If they're going to make one it needs to be a profitable decision.

>>51564098
I'd carry on but honestly my tear ducts are dry from all my crying

I figured after Death Masque surely it meant GW's would let us lose twice in a row and actually give us a win for a change

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>>51564015
>Do we know anything about whats the best chapter doing right now and by that I mean Black Templars?
Following an Eldar and a Necron through the Webway while abandoning Cadia in retreat and shame. Simultaneusly they are escorting their buddy the witch while taking orders from members of the Inquisition.

>Also are Dark Angels finally confirmed to be heretic shits and Cypher as the hero we deserve?
Confirmed is a strong word.

>>51564065
>the wolf spirits on fenris are gone
I don't think that's actually true. And even if so it only really kills rune-priests.

Why gw Insist on making melee relics for guard or pistol relics in general. Only good pistol i can remember is nanyte blaster from 30k. Literally half of guard relics are cqw or pistols.

>>51564071
>dying and failing more
The part where they create a fucking god and become able to harness the death of their enemies as power?

Give nids some of that damn failure.

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>MFW people are complaining that their super cool units on TT dont win in fluff and dudes job on the Table and fluff

>>51564108
And why wouldn't dual kit plastic aspect warriors be profitable?

Are you implying that people wouldn't want to get new Aspect Warrior kits? Most of the skulpts are over decade old, hell some, like Warp Spiders are over two decades old.

People would get them simply for the opportunity to pose and convert them better, that plastic sculpts bring.

>>51564122
>he doesn't like the IGNORES EVERYTHING bolt pistol

>>51564026

>the only Craftworld which ever won a fight


Didn't Wazdakka outwit them in a fight over a Maiden World?

>>51564116
the wolf spirits were the reason all space wolves didn't succumb to their geneseed, and it's why the only space wolves successor chapter immediately went full mutation.

the tsons were repelled by the spirits of fenris, then Magnus channeled all the magic(the spirits) and used their power to bring sortiarius into real space.

the wolves are dead, anon.

>>51564026

It doesn't blow up. It splinters. Turns out Craftworlds are giant amalgamations of ships all held together with wraithbone and psychic fuckery, and when the Infinity Circuit collapses on Biel-Tan because of Lord Dickface trying to summon Slaanesh's xister, it just comes apart into its component parts. Biel-Tan still very much exists.

>>51564065

Even if the spirits were actually gone, what's the bet that the Runepriests just happen to have some totally secret ancient way to bring them back?

>>51564125
Do they win anything with that power? No.

That's like a book where some guardsman get super cool guns...but then loose anyway and you're calling that a success.

I want the Eldar to actually win a significant fight for a change

>>51564125
>The part where they create a fucking god and become able to harness the death of their enemies as power?

And lose their most powerful Craftworld in the process, and pretty much fuck over their whole race, rendering the Ynnead wankers the only viable faction lorewise.

Even when the eldar "win" they suffer massive casualties and get fucked over.

>>51564145

We're talking about real factions and characters here anon, not NPCs.

>>51564145
I said they win some fights. They still lose a lot too cause they're Eldar.

But its better than Ulthwe and Saim-hann which have never won a single battle about

>>51564115
It's funny because it's true .

>>51564134

I think that's the business decision they're debating/making. The questions to ask are:

>How many players play Eldar
>How many players use a specific aspect
>How many boxes of that aspect will they need

The answers to those questions needs to meet a certain threshold to justify production. I'm not saying GW made the right decision (and hell we could all be off base and they could launch brand new plastic AWs in 6 months) but I can understand their thinking behind it. I'm not losing my mind calling people kikes because they're making the decision they think is best for the business.

>>51564151
Actually the WD explicitly uses the term destroyed at a point when describing Biel-tan's fate.

>>51564115
>>51564039

>Presumably escorting greyfux, cawl and celestine

I know who Celestine is but not the other two. Who are they and why are they important?

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>>51564161
>I want the Eldar to actually win a significant fight for a change

Tough shit, they're a dying race their time is over all there's left is their manner of death.

>>51562940
They suck when you play against cheese armies

>>51564199
WD also salled the Orkanaught a assault vehicle and said the Looted waggon had a S8 Gun.

>>51564115

>Confirmed is a strong word.

I thought it was a well-known fact that Dark Angels were always traitors.

>>51562951
So, end of the multiple small units meta?

>>51563338
What video is this?

>>51564222

It certainly punishes MSUs more than anything else. I'm super excited to play my Eldar against BattleCo.

>>51564201
Inquisitor greysex is an old fashioned inquisitor from the ancient past, brought out of a tesseract vault by trazyn to help with the whole "fighting chaos" thing. She thinks the modern imperium is shit.

Arch-dominus cawl is the super magos who is the size of a carnifex. He fixed the pylons, and is going to fix guilliman and give him a new set of armour.

They're the Triumvirate of the Imperium characters and actually pretty interesting. I wish we had more on them, outside of the Fall of Cadia stuff.

>>51564242
>It certainly punishes MSUs more than anything else
Not for eldar it don't.

Friendlies add to the tally too.

I need a unique hook for a Necron Dynasty. I'm making my own paint scheme, but I don't know what makes that Dynasty unique.

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>>51564201
Greyfax is an inquisitor from the time when the Emperor was alive. She was trapped in a magic bottle by Trazyn, the necron. She's a new character.

Belisarius Cawl is also new, and is the Arch Magos of the Cult Mechanicus.

>>51564137
>inflict one 1 I roman number one odin uno eins wound max
>need to be in 12 inches to enemy

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The next Gathering Storm book will release after DoW3, because DoW3 will be its prequel.
Mark my words.

>>51564206
So then what's the point of the Ynnari even?

Also again so Eldar players should just waste money? I mean if there's no potential for the Eldar to ever be anything more than punching bags in the fluff.

What happened to Sensei?

>>51564183
>But its better than Ulthwe and Saim-hann which have never won a single battle about

Battle for T'krahn. Even resulted in the death of Nazdreg.

>>51564298
They are the blaze of glory, eldar burning their candle at both ends with blowtorches in the hope to destory Slaanesh and empower their death god so they may be reborn.

>>51564282
>the Arch Magos of the Cult Mechanicus.
There's quite a few, anon. The big boss of the Admech is the Fabricator General of Mars, but Archmagi are Chapter-Master grade.

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>>51564277
They were literally the pharohs of ancient egypt.

Color scheme attached

>>51564293

nope because DOW3 is shitwritten by a irish lepper gnome

>>51564313
Nazdreg isn't dead

Also beating Orks doesn't count, their an NPC faction. Name a time when Ulthwe or Saimhann beat Marines

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>>51564284
>needing more than one bullet
>wanting to be far away from your enemies

>>51564334
Did that ever stop GW?

>>51564322
But you just said their all gonna die anyway and thus will lose everything always and I should just accept it

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>>51564328
What am I, a biker mouse from Mars? I don't know the command structure of the omnissiah.

>>51564312
Old fluff. Might be ressurected/repurposed as some point but the existing sources for it are too old to trust completely.

>>51564254
>>51564282

Finally a new Inquisitor that I can like.

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So lets say you've got some Grey Knights, and they're fighting traitor marines- but they lose. Traitor Marines harvest their geneseed and then try to use it to make more of their own traitor marines. Is this viable? Grey Knight Gene seed works like normal marine geneseed, right?

Also whats this I hear? Grey Knights are gonna turn traitor? That certainly explains the 666th founding and how they can't turn to chaos because they already did and their uncanny psychic mastery

>>51564239
2001 World Trade Center vid. They just shooped some church on it.

>>51564277

They steal stars, and use them to power their technology. Like just roll up on a star system and Dyson sphere it.

That's the beauty of Necron tech. Nothing in it is implausible for the setting. They're at that Clarke's Third Law point.

>>51564282
>Greyfax is an inquisitor from the time when the Emperor was alive
But Emprah was alive only during foundation of the Inquisition. She is no older than 4k years(ordo hereticus officialy founded after age of apostasy) and she is extremly puritian.

>>51564376
She's an ultramarine fangirl and is going to get heart-shaped pupils when guilliman revives.

>>51564336

Technically speaking, Ulthwe lead Ghazghkull to Armageddon's doorstep, resulting in the defeat of more than one Astarte force in the resulting two wars.

>>51564386
>Grey Knights are gonna turn traitor?
Nah. Dangles might though.

>>51564298

I mean I don't care if Eldar are fluff punching bags. They do have really cool stories, I like the tragic heroes angle, plus they're a good army.

>>51564412
>puritan until she sees the 1st Salamander neophyte in full clad loincloth

we know where this is going

>>51564298
>>51564354
He's fucking trolling your whiny ass.

>>51564434
No anon GK ultras and the fallen all team up to turn traitor.

Did the White Scars ever break Lufght Huron's siege on their homeworld?

>>51564421
Um...Ghazghkull has never won a war against Marines dude. What are you talking about? He lost the 2nd War for Armageddon and he lost Piscina.

>>51564413
damn near everyone is gonna fangirl when they hear guilliman revives. fulgrim might pop out the warp to have a 2nd go at him

>>51564277
Just give them some weird quirk. They're hyper-tech advanced space robots that are the new bodies of an ancient dying race.

There's a lot of potential there.

>>51564455
makes sense, girlyman is wearing chaos armor after all

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>>51564441

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>>51564277
How about a South American theme? Elongated heads and gold jewelry with turquoise gems and crazy freehand on the vehicles?

>>51564481
>Emperor is chaos

>>51564436
But I do care. I invest in my factions fluff and enjoy it. Just like I'm sure many marine players have fun and enjoy reading about their victories in BL novels and in Sanctus Reach, Damnos and such I would like to do the same with Eldar

Didn't Blood Ravens have gear gifted by Ultramarines? Will that annoy Girlyman?

>>51564481
My god, he really is a demon prince of Tzeentch.
Oh god.
I thought his arrival was a stir away from the end
40k end times are a go.

>>51564460

But at least one chapter was defeated in it's majority in the conflict.

>>51564460
So wait, has Ulthwe never beaten Space Marines?

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R8 my casual 1k points Orks list.

>>51563051
You should name the one top right Coach.

>>51564498
dude if you squint your eyes you can see all the tzeentchy symbols on his power armour tho

>>51564519
Who?

Besides doesn't change that Ghazghkull still lost the war. Ghazghkull has never won a war against Space Marines

>>51564530
Need more boyz, those squads are gonna break really fast. A single round of shooting from a tactical squad could break them.

>>51564466
Yep. That book should be pretty fun.

>>51564547
Wow. I never realized how much of a loser Ghazghkull is

>>51564542
Why?

>>51564508

Honestly and this isn't me trying to be an asshole but did you bother to read anything about the army before you bought in to it? It isn't as if this is new - the whole dying race, Pyrrhic victories thing has been the Eldar shtick for a long time. You're acting like its new but it has been a central element to the overall theme of Eldar story telling since at least 3rd edition. You don't play Eldar because you get heroic victories over hordes of Orks with gleaming pennants in the back ground, you play Eldar because you know the sacrifice of 300 means the salvation of 300 thousand. That's how the army's fluff works.

You're bitching about something that has never happened and is antithetical to the core concepts of the army and it's fluff.

>>51564567
Trukk capacity. 12 ladz each only. They'd die faster footslogging.

>>51564595
I'm not that anon but what you've written here is bullshit. All players can invest in their faction to do awesome in the fluff and win. The Eldar aren't a faction who have to lose everything in the fluff and be happy about it, GW literally writes in plot hooks which are meant to be about them having a chance to rise to greatness again.

What you got here is just crap 'status quo is god keep it that way'. I for one would like to see all factions, not just fucking marines, getting to do more and win more in the fluff.

>>51564545
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn1VxaMEjRU

>>51563931
>That Tau
Thin your paints son, that is hard to look at.

>>51564412
>ordo hereticus officialy founded after age of apostas
Could she not be an from before the age of apostasy

>>51564640

So you're telling me I can't invest in my fluff specially because my army walks a knife's edge to prevent their utter destruction of their race even if it means they're often going to lose individual battles? I very specifically chose Eldar and Iyanden at that because they sit on that edge, it is a more compelling story to me than 'My 50 Space Marines killed Fifty Men each'.

What you've written is bullshit because it assumes the only story telling that someone can or would want to invest in is 'my army wins'.

>>51564647
Jesus was that funny thanks for the laugh

>>51564050
>declared free of taint
This is not the kind of world I want to live in

>>51564647
Why they run at the end?

>>51564688
They don't 'often' lose individual battles. They barely ever (unless its Biel-Tan) win anything. Don't come here acting as if there's some kind of balance.Craftworld Eldar barely win any battles they fight.

Of course a player can want their faction to win battles in fluff. Who are you to tell every fan of the Craftworlds that they aren't allowed to want anything but near constant defeat in fluff?

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>>51563931
>Corrupting glorious Knights with Taushit

ree

>>51564530

Better be pretty damn casual, because those Nobz are just awful. They don't even have transport, so their chances of getting across the board are virtually nil. Honestly there's nothing to recommend Nobz at all.

2 Meks in the Lootas is overkill too.

>>51564781
Eh knights look stupid anyways

>>51564736

>Pot meet kettle

Who are you to tell every fan of Craftworld's they're bad for liking the current theme and style of the fluff.

Also - Eldar win in the new Primogenitor book about Fabius Bile.

So how long till the rules come out and say only vanilla marines can use the new 3 marine models?

>all Eldar ppl get new models new books even fucking new terrain and still complain because on of their worlds gets scratched but not destroyed.

>MFW 7k points of EmperorsChildren/Slaanesh about to be sidewaved into squatted

they even are removing the only decent alternative in which I mean haemonculi covens by not letting them play with the coolkids-eldar

>>51564128
I see what you were trying to say. Shame you can't piece a sentence together to save yourself.

>>51564819
#ASK GW

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>>51564828

>>51564833
dude english is fucking hard

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Anon was pretty close for GS2

>>51564589

Yeah. Just like Abbadabbado losing all his Crusades, they had to retcon it so they were all totally victories guise, he got something really powerful each time and took out the pylons, 10/10 tactical genius.

Same thing with Ghaz. Now his failure in the 2nd war of Armageddon was actually a brilliant tactical action so he could figure out how humans fight. So he goes away and plans for 50 years based on the intel he's collected then comes back and...fails again. But it's okay, he's only left because Gork and Mork themselves tell him to leave and he's got more important things to do and Armageddon is a whole warzone now so that's basically victory right then he goes to Octavius and nearly dies to a Mawloc.

I mean, you know you're low level when you job to the universe's other jobbers.

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Current Brotherhood of NOD Themed Tempestus army the painter is whipping up for me. The Taurox number transfers are being removed but in order from top left going clockwise: Tauroxes, Command Squads, Rank and File Squads, and Commissars. Running a Hellrain Formation X3. Gonna print out some custom NOD transfers for the vehicles and troops.


KAN-...THE EMPEROR LIVES!

>>51564828
Are we supposed to be happy that our armies are being made into wraith wankery with this ynnead bs? I for one, like aspect warriors, and don't fancy the idea of GW phasing them out, which the destruction of Biel Tan seems to indicate.

It is always watching the adults on here criticing a story made for kids.
It's like watching star wars Nerds argue over the practicality of storm trooper armour. It's made for kids, it isn't meant to be flashy.

>>51564878
Hey my man dollies are serious fucking buisness

>>51564862
That was me.
Was I right? I've literally just come back from a camping trip. What did I miss?

>>51564869
ur bretty gud

>>51564781
>that low energy REEEEEEEEEEE
Imperials acting cucked as usual. Not even your primarchs are safe now.

>>51564874
>GW phasing them out, which the destruction of Biel Tan seems to indicate.
No. It does not indicate anything of the sort. Please stop speaking completely out of your ass.

>>51564942
Better to just leave, generals have been in a flaming freefall towards a sea of shit for months now.

>>51564878
>how dare you all take the hobby you invest a great amount of time and money into seriously

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>>51564869
>Tempestus army the painter is whipping up for me.
>paying someone to paint for you

disappointed more than i am angry desu

you on the right

>>51564956

>months
>not years

Just as the sun rises, Generals will be dogshit.


>>51564916
Didn't paint them, I hired someone to do it for me.

>>51564963
Take the hobby seriously, just don't sperg out about it, much less the iffy lore.

>>51564973
Why are t b h and f am wordfiltered here?

>>51564973
Another Anon here. Tbh, the only time I'd hire someone to paint a model for me is if it's super detailed and I know I'm not at that skill level. I'm thinking of hiring someone to paint my Draigo and Lysander minis because I want them to be awesome, not my mediocre paint jobs.

>>51565013
>not painting your dudes yourself
They aren't your dudes if you don't paint them faggot

>>51564942
>craftworld most known for Aspect Warriors gets wrecked.
>new focus of the Eldar is on Wraith Shit and Ynnead

Does not spell good news for Aspect Warriors that haven't received any updates in over a decade. GW seems to be content to let them rot in finecast hell forever.

>>51565013
>>51564973

I really would rather spend the time painting and building them on something else. I have super respect for anyone who does that themselves, I just don't have the skills for it. I've tried so many times before but it always comes out EMPURDUR tier.

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>>51564781
Not mine, but I admit the ghostkeel head looks pretty good on a knight

>>51565027
I like converting more than painting.

>>51565027
i actually have no idea why anyone buys prepainted stuff on ebay or whatever; seems to defeat the whole point of the hobby

>>51565051
+1 for that.

You can paint canvas and play with monopose, but conversion and customization's the only thing GW has on competitors quality wise.

>>51565044
Is it 40k GlaDoS?

Is the FoC PDF in the link? I can't seem to find it.

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Would warhammer 37k be at all fifferent to 40k on the table? Seems like nothing much has happened in 10,000 years

>>51565100
A few less of the newer marine chapters and a few of the currently excommunicate chapters would still be considered loyal.

>>51564791
One of the trukks is for the nobz, who are bodyguarding the warboss. The shoota boyz are on foot- taking a few shots as a distraction.

That's the theory anyway. I'm getting shot to shit regardless, I'm playing Orks. If half of them make it in combat I'll be happy.

Take your point about the meks in the lootas though.

>>51565100
40k is a setting that encompasses like the end of the horus heresy to 40,999

Guys, I really really love the look of Orks. I really want to get them, but their rules are so bad that I'm scared I'll be put off them. What should I do?

>Abbaddon is geting killed
Is this true at all?

>>51564904
yeah actually. pretty sure I saw "preorder this weekend" which is that date (today)

>>51565135
just do it, the game sucks anyway

>>51565135
Use gsc rules, goliath trukks, looted ig tanks with gretchin drivers etc.

>>51565173
What's the best way to run Orks? I love normal boys, but Warbikes look awesome

>>51565036
>Wraith Shit and Ynnead
The focus of this books is on Ynnead. And there is no focus on "Wraith Shit" the focus is on Eldar souls. Ynnari have their own version of the Wraith stuff, but that's it.

Look, if the next Eldar codex comes out and all the aspects are gone. Or even if Fracture comes out and the fluff talks about them exterminating all the aspects shrines or something I'll eat crow. But at least until the fucking book comes out could you please stop screaming about bullshit you know nothing about like you shoved fire ants down your trousers?

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>>51565131
oh? i thought that canon date atm was 41,2XX - like Tau would not exist in 37k and the hive fleets would be not a thing

>>51565135
You make up your mind.

If nothing else take them as a second army, work on them for fun and to keep burnout away with your "srsbsns FOTM" army.

>>51565100
No Tau or Nids. Very little Necron activity.

>>51565055
Because its cheaper to buy a bunch of painted models and some simple green than buying them directly

>>51565184
Never.

It is obvious that GW wants to get rid of aspect warriors.

>>51565135
A new edition is right around the corner. Get you some Orks.

>>51565150
Just a salt filled rumor

>>51565150
Pure unsubstantiated rumor

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>>51565223

>>51565135
DO IT. Unless you're playing humourless WAACdildoes, then it'll be fun regardless. Plus the models are awesome and there's a new edition this year. The rules may get loads better.

Rejoice, for Abaddon's theme song has been found after long last!

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=GYFJjwXtsU4&feature=share

The tone, the lyrics, the vibe. It is perfect.

>>51565212
no i meant "pro painted" stuff that is sold at more than twice the price of the model

>>51565267
Oh then retardation

>>51565267
That's just bait for retards.

>>51565180

Warbikes, Meganobz, Mek Gunz, minimum size Grot squads for troops tax. Painboyz are good for HQ choices. Warboss in Mega Armour with Lucky Stikk is absolute death vs anything without Ap2.

Lootas are decent, Tankbustas got hit so hard with the nerfbat after the grenade FAQ that they're really fired up but used to be a decent choice. Apart from that there's not much else worth mentioning outside of Forgeworld.

>>51565006
I think it was originally an inside joke for the admin/mods, but I'm not sure.

>>51565274
and yet it sells

Does anyone remember a bunch of /tg/ screencap stories that portrayed Blackadder and Baldric in 40k?

>>51565329
Yes?
So do diamon encrusted toilet seats.

>>51565258
electronica/wub stuff doesn't match most of 40k at all

40k was established in the late 80's and you can feel it in the setting's bones

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>>51565337

>setting moving forward
>Eldar buffed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWlOvLJFync

>>51565258
Yeah that fits okay. There are better choices though.

Here is Johnny Cash - Hurt
Fits perfectly for a dying Chaos Lord reflecting on the choices they have made

https://youtu.be/3aF9AJm0RFc

>>51565344
how is buying a prepainted model any different to paying someone else to paint a model you own

>>51565348
>Not reading current fluff
Yeah if you want to read only the old fluff, I can see your point.

>>51565368
Because Ebay Pro-Painted are total garbage tier work that serves to devalue the model with sloppy assembly and awful paintjobs.

>>51565374
The fluff has no music in it either way. Unless you're watching the Warhammer YT channel.

>>51565374
what new part of the lore changes that over the top 80's feel?

>>51565374
Where does it say that nightlords like to wub it up?

>>51565354
Nah, they weren't full on fanfics.
They were screncaps where the story started with Blackadder being actually one of the shamans, that botched his part of the ritual, and didn't join in with the Emprah's gestalt soul that the rest of the shamans formed, but instead was forced to a cycle of reincarnation.

Wasn't there a rumor that 8th Ed. Was setting up an Imperial Civil War? At the time Sisters rumors were hot and heavy so we thought it might be an Ecclesiarchy thing. But maybe what we're really getting is Rowboat vs. The High Lords of Terra?

>>51565392
>>51565393
>>51565405
It's about the tone and the feel, compared to what is being written.

Thanks guys. I have £100 to splurge on Orks. Not really sure what to get first. I want to do a highly mobile army.

>>51565337
>Blackadder and Baldric in 40k?

yeah the ciphias cain novels

>>51565442
>It's not about what is written, it's what i feel when i read it.

Ah, I'd call you a woman and say your feels are irrelevant but you should know that by heart now.

>>51565486
You should flush it down the toilet, because you will become just another Ork whiner in due course.
or buy Mega Nobz, because they are cool

>>51565438
u mean like... the horus heresy?

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>>51565508
>HURR DURR ME STRONG MAN, YOU WOMAN
T-thanks anon
Pic related, its your daughter if you ever have kids.

>>51565530
O..okay

>>51565438
No idea, I said it'd be cool if, but don't know if any excitable types ran with it.

>>51565438
That was what i was going to ask. If the whole Fallen thing would turn DA not to chaos, but into a renegade chapter, or if they would remain loyal while Fallen and Friends would go a similar way?

>>51565537
No. The Roboute Rebellion.

>>51565486
get the starter box and paints, glue, clippers and a hobby knife for moldlines, you should have some £££ left over for either some extra boyz or some snowflake dude ;) enjoy but dont get too many models to start, and finish painting what you get before you go buy more

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>>51564793
Objectively shit taste.

>>51565573
I already have the paints, glue etc, but I'm really just looking at what models to get at the start. The Starter box doesn't look too appealing to me. The only thing I'd like to get in the starter box is the boyz and the pain boy

>>51565591
Givin' that Wraithknight the D

>>51565560
Its gonna be Robute's super conservative UltraMperium vs the strong, independent Celestine led SoB and a bunch of other immigr...xenos.

>>51565554
Personally I'd love a Renegades subfaction, Thorian inquisitors, some of the do-right chapters.

Though not sure where DA would fit in since they fall short of both the do-right and obey the law.

>>51565554
Yeah it seems pretty certain at this point that the Fallen did not simply fall to Chaos.

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What is the greatest ork WAAAAGH of all 40k?
>Armageddon
>Sanctus Reach
>That otcavius system thing with the nids
>Fucking up blueberries

>>51565591
What show is this?

>>51565549
Did you feelings get objectively hurt?

>>51565629
The Beast

>>51565629
The Beast.

>>51565638
It's the DoWIII trailer. Spoilers the trailer is beautiful but artstyle of the actual game is shit

>>51565602
if you dont know what models youre getting then you don't have your paints sorted- jus sayin

>>51565591

How do we go from that

To this? https://youtu.be/EW3zxFBh30A

I have never before seen a game where the trailer was so divorced in tone from the in-game footage.

>>51565620
Celestine gave Guilliman her halo, Cawl gave him his armour, and he's carrying the Emperor's sword.

Publically and politically, there's no one who can really touch him in the Imperium. They're lucky he's one of the primarchs who won't just murder people who disagree with him.

>>51565638
https://youtu.be/N_ZgyNoHtjw

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>>51565638
Imperialis Genesis Evangelion

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>>51565591
They look like turtles.

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>>51565044

I really like the Forge World Knight Heads.

Particularly this one.

>>51565258
I dare to say that this fits abby/csm in general better:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXzMD065HEk

>>51565642
No, I love finding the right music for things.

Here is a cultists/marines fall to Slaanesh, complete with mid song reflection on their choices.

Start is the temptation/falling, the drop is the fall

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=VZMfhtKa-wo&feature=share

>>51565602
Maybe get the Trukk Boyz bundle then. That gets you some Ladz to start you off plus a Trukk to try and keep them less shot at. Plus making vehicles is fun.

The starter box is way better value though. You can always sell the Deff Dread on if you don't like it.

>>51565657
Seems fine.

>>51565626
Kind of like chaos i guess, or the Tau.

Tau and Kroot both work in cohesion (although the latter does mercenary work) and even live nearby each other, but the Kroot eating everything that comes into crosshairs is a big issue. It isnt wrong, but its their version of right. DAngles are kinda the same about The Fallen, but if you know this going into the agreement...

>>51565657
>Those Ork voices

ugh

>>51565668
Thanks senpai.

>>51565680
I haven't cringed so hard in a long time, sorry.

Still think glitch mob remix works better.

>>51565651

>>51565646

Not 40k; and still not as big as the Octavius War against Hive Fleet Leviathan

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>>51565668

>I rather have Sociopathic Imperial Gundam Knights

>>51565680
Holy shit someone else who actually listens to glory hammer. I never thought i'd meet another fan. That entire album is literally a nod to 40k i think

>>51565658
Literally the only Primarch who stands a chance of unpicking the gigantic clusterfuck that is the 41st millenium Imperium.

Any of the others could potentially lead it to victory, but wouldn't really have much hope of fixing the underlying issues.

>>51565755
>Never actually meet another fan
I can see why you thought that.

>>51565712
Ork have always been British football hooligans.

>>51565768
because no i know listens to power metal

>>51565755
>The album is called Space 1992: Rise of the Chaos Wizards

I think you might be onto something here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGV6bCTMM5w

>>51565731

Nigga what?

The Beast WAAAAGH has fighting occurring in every single Segmentum. Terra itself gets attacked. The Beast unites most of the orks in the galaxy, to the point where the collective WAAAAGH energy starts causing the whole species to start evolving.

Octavius is a toddler's scrap in a sandpit by comparison.