Horus Heresy General /hhg/

HAIL SHAI-TAN MAGNUS THOUSAND SONS BEST EVER

First for fulgrim

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KNEEL

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>>51562706
Post this last thread.

Imperial knight.

Warhound Titan.

WD Angron+5 bloodthirster bodyguard.

One of these has to be able to reliably to kill him.

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>tfw when you aren't Russ or Magnus

nth for Moritat and Destroyer fix when

>>51562862
not so perfect after all

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CHOO CHOO

HERE COMES THE PAIN

I wonder if it still has the shock ram. All your weapons get blown off? I AM A WEAPON

Mechanicum new tank rules WHENNNN?!

>>51561837
Why do the sisters of silence and their melta-doggos have purity seals on them? This is earlier art, right?

>>51562879
>tfw FW probably not even going to bother making Alpharius or Dorn anymore
>New mode of operation is driving sales of new models with power creep

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How do you feel knowing that the worst of 40k grognard waacfag will """"cleverly"""" play 7th aka our beloved 30k after the AoSification of 40k ?
Best marketing stun ever for GW, literraly driving millions of player out of 40k and into 30 to boost sales beyond anything they could imagine 5 years back.
I plan to invest in 40k 8th if the shitty player base shift to 30k.

Looking at the Castellax-Achea. It can take the special plasma cannon for a total cost of 150 pts.

Are single plasma cannons worth it for putting the hurt on Sv 2+ models?

>>51562894
AP4 mortar lol

>>51562878
>3++
>Re-Rollable
>EW
basically you need to put 45 ap 2 wounds on him, which is doable

>>51562907
Dorn is next on the list after Magnus, cool your tities boyo

I don't care what anyone says, I think the sisters are pretty cost effective for what you get. For all the excitement over the custodes tribune, I actually think pic related is a damn fine pick. Less than 100 points for a fighty character with AP2? Don't mind if I do.

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Knowing that nobody reads the OP, I took the liberty of compiling all the rules photos into handy PDFs for your pleasure:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/cxrk2978wbwkmv0/Thousand+Sons.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/file/t6y7bddxcy387yw/Space+Wolves.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/file/8ukjwhr4a8x6tet/Titan+Guard.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/file/1voouhaka9bctd9/Talons+of+the+Emperor.pdf

>>51562878
only if they roll 6 on the d table

>>51562903
*sigh* There were 'purity seals' in 30k, but were just called oaths of moment back then. Stop sperging out.

>>51562878
Knight. Knight does it, although it slightly struggles with all the powerfist hits. Even if he kills it, it's likely to explode in his face.

>>51562894
Keep 'em coming good man.

>>51562907
>Powercreep to drive sales
>New

where were you since 2001?

>>51562873
#notmyemperor

>>51562915
>AP4 mortar lol
as long as it's S5 or S6 it doesn't really matter. quad mortars were a staple of many lists long before they got access to phosphex, and still are in a lot of cases.

>>51562907
Alpharius doesn't deserve a model for all the memes. You have two guillimans. Alpharius and Omegon are already done.

Dorn deserves a nice model thought

>>51562907
Number of Scorias Sold: 0

>>51562927
Can you make them into 1 big PDF?

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>>51562926
Whoops.

>>51562931
>Knight. Knight does it
doubt it 2bh, knight hits him on a 5+ and has to roll a 6 on the d table.

>>51562919
36, they only have 4 wounds.

>>51562930
nice, thanks for the info.

>>51562923
Says who ? Because the reports so far have been that Dorn and Alpharius haven't even been planned yet, its Magnus next and then they're gonna start on Angelus

>>51562938
I just pulled that from the battle bunnies blog, I'm not there. most of the pictures I've seen in these threads have been from there, actually.

>>51562927
Thanks anon.

>>51562964
From the fucking weekender. Magnus is next as we got told already, and today FW said Dorn was at the top of the priority list.

>>51562954
Yeah, but statistically it will nail him in 3 rounds from Stomp, anyway. It is somewhat likely to die from S10 before then, but it will still serve up a nice D hit. Best option in a duel, unless you happen to have 3 Scoria's hanging around, and probably an extra one as a backup.

Seeing as his invuln is better than his armour, just spam wounds at him from whatever IMO. Got to be something that has decent strength and is spammable to that extent if we don't need any AP value at all.

>I'm loving the new Sons. It's looking to me like a Damocles is going to be almost mandatory when running the Magnus Guard RoW. Assuming your Praetor/sekhmet are going to be Raptora, what's the best loadout? I think Cataphractii for the 3++. Maelstrom seems good. Less need for Levitation with the Damocles but still might be the best 2nd power to get out of the DS please template me formation.
>please template me formation.
>please template me formation.
>please template me formation.

IT BEGINS

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>>51562919
>>51562956
>>51562928
>>51562931
>>51562954

Is there anything I can do other that just died.

ANYTHING

>>51563017
20 Fist tac marines. Within 12", and with an ammo dump.

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>>51563017
honestly a 20 man inductii blob could probably kill him. but if hes rolling with his murderposse theyd just kill the whole inductii unit first anyway.

pic related is the tribune btw, gg primarchs gg 30k, we age of cuckstode now.

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>>51563078
You seem pretty mad anon. Did you lose your precious chaos-election?

Can the tribune actually kill a primarch within a normal game, or is it another of those cases where they slap each other ineffectually until the game ends with them both still alive?

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Night Lords, report in!

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>>51559032
Don't know if I'll ever get these because I've already spent 30 euro on 3rd-party rocket launchers to magnetise on BaC cataphractii.
I suppose if they ever make a Havoc-Tyrant Rite of War, or if I feel the need to use regular termies alongside Tyrants, I might...

I honestly expected just a cyclone missile launcher pack, maybe a special version (a la Ultramarines breachers) for the Iron Warriors with special heads, not a whole new model.

>>51562873
That post gave me bitterness.

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I was really surprised by these guys. I thought bolter custodes would be the most boring shit possible in a army of golden supermen, but they are actually pretty cool.

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>>51563105
nah im not mad, im unironically going to buy $100 worth of sigmarines and cuckstodes, convert them, and stomp everybody in 30k :^).
>>51563110
>Can the tribune actually kill a primarch within a normal game
yes, easily. hes got 6 s10 attacks base.

>>51563054
If its just one guy, then hit him with 36 wounds, or 108 bolter hits.
easy right?

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>>51562879
>tfw still better than Russ, if not Magnus at range.

>>51563164
MUH

>>51563155
>yes, easily. hes got 6 s10 attacks base.
Of which 3 hit, 2.5 wound, 1.25 go through invun (assuming 4++) and .333 come back.

But you knew that, and are clearly just baiting.

>>51563200
are you just pretending to be retarded? primarch fights always take like 6 rounds of combat, meaning yes, he could very easily kill a primarch during a game.

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>>51563105
Lmao that thread was fantastic.

>>51563142
that's because those also function as AP2 destructor beams

>>51563219
>less than 1 wound per turn
>primarchs have 6 wound (on average)
Yeah m8 it's not happening in 6 turns.

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I'll be frank. While I like the elegance of these vehicles, they don't really feel Custodes to me.
Not enough blinged-out bulk and such. Am i making sense?

Any pics of a painted SoS transport?

>>51563252
uhh yeah, it is. do you play the game? you know you fight in combat on BOTH players turns, right? theres 12 combat phases in the game.

he could get stuck in with a primarch on turn 3, and probably kill them by turn 6 easy.

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I have no idea how this will be statted, but it will probably be as unwieldy as any oversized dread.

>>51563264
Nope.

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>>51563264
None, as far as I am aware.

>>51563295
I like it. Dreadknight done right.

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>>51563254
It's all in the paintjob. Some of the ones at the weekender are a lot flashier than the stuff on the FW website. Mmm, that glossy red...

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>those tiny grenade racks
>those awkward gun arms
>those cycling capacitators
Karacnos is cute. CUTE!

>>51563254
They just look so much like Eldar grav tanks, even down to the single embark ramp on the rear, the top side turret and two-pronged front.

Custodes are basically Wraithguard spam eldar but then more cheese, so makes sense.

>>51563243
And function as heavy bolters rather than actual bolters.

>>51563347
>tiny
rumour has it it's rad missiles kiddo
get ready for barrage 4 rad missiles

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I wonder how these will compare to the new Scarab Occult terminators from 40k.

>>51563347
I need to know if it's one big twin-linked gun or two separate PotMS/independent turret rule guns. I'm hoping (and guessing) the latter, but you never know...

that thing is huge, too, by the way. a lot of people haven't actually seen a triaros in person, they're fucking monsters for a 135 point DT. I'm so glad they're using the chassis for a real fighting vehicle to give that bulk more bite.

>>51563374
And large blast and ignore cover as well ofcourse. Because it's mechanicum.

>>51563397
Or they're just sponsons like on just about every other tank.

>>51563254
I'll be ian. I don't think they'd look so good if they were as highly decorated as the custodes themselves, I like the more sleek, raygun gothic designs.

It speaks more to them being DAoT technology than just gaudy, tricked-out Legio vehicles. Personal choice though, I do get what you're saying, you'd kind of expect at least a couple of eagle-shaped hood ornaments on the thing.

>>51563388
They are way better. They got more wounds, assured powers, better weapon options and so on.

On the other hand, SOTs can try to nab Invis.

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>>51563142
It's about time the humble bolter got some love to be honest.

Kinda want to nab them and put them on my elites. Maybe FW could make a master-crafted bolter weapons pack, hmm?

>>51563161
>108 bolter hits.
I gotchu fampai.

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Very nice, but that wristblade will be converted into an actual kopesh asap.

>>51563480
wristblade is better imo

>>51563480
Needs the dreadknight sword hand and kitbash it

>>51563428
>>51563388
Does anyone know where to find those pics of 40k Rubrics and Scarabs painted as 30k KSons?

>>51563428
I actually meant in terms of visual design.

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>>51562947
>Dorn deserves a nice model thought
No

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heh... well played horus, but your heresy ends here for i have the 3++ rerollable. the age of horus has ended, MY age begins, the age of cuckstode!

>>51563416
honestly, non-fast tanks without machine spirit or some other rule for their sponson guns are pretty rare in 30k. even predators can buy PotMS if they want (or just take armoured breakthrough to make them Fast since that's way better). almost anything with more than one gun is either a flyer, a lord of war, has a machine spirit, or has a unique rule that make those guns act as independent turrets (like the Triaros or the Fire Raptor).

I wouldn't be surprised if it's just one big twin linked weapon system plus the rocket system, and machine spirit so you can split fire them and move while shooting both.

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>Only Grey Slayer units may be taken as compulsory troop choices in any Space Wolves Detachment.
>ANY space wolves detachment
So, hang on, does this overrule rites of war? Does a space wolf pride of the legion or armoured breakthrough still have to take grey slayers as compulsory troops?

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>>51562926
Yeah seems pretty good.

I also like how the normal Sisters have AP3 swords but on a 5-6 to hit it becomes AP2. Pretty neat, AP2 swords all the time is over the top imo.

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>>51563495
If this is any help...

>>51563347
>>51563516

Rules are in Inferno according to the contents page, I'm surprised noones posted them yet anywhere.

>>51563536
yes and it sucks

>>51562832
>Horus Heresy

I swear to god, I'm gone for a while and they've pumped out like half dozen new ones. How is The Master of Mankind?

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all the custodes + sisters rules (at least I think it's all of them, I can't find what a Misericordia does though): https://imgur.com/a/emdin/

the sisters dune-tank is interesting

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>>51563504
My only demand is to give him a head with the muttonchops and a version without.

But I'd also be disappointed if they don't match this pose in coolness.

Lastly, it's a slim hope, but it would be great if they gave him some wargear options besides some old chainsword. Maybe a storm shield or a power *fist*?

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>>51563161
How about a 10 Volkite Culverin and 5 Volkite Caliver.

Would that work.

>>51563536
No, that is only for RoWs that don't have other units as compulsory units.
Grey Slayers replace Tac squads, Assault and Breacher squads for compulsory troops in most RoWs

I hope.

>>51563586
>turret mounted array

Where is it?
>>51563310

>>51563586
I love that they set the capacity to 12 so you can take a full squad and a character.

But yeah, fast skimmer assault vehicle is pretty cool. And it's sneaky to boot. And actually fairly shooty. I likes it.

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>>51563586
it's also worth noting that sisters get an assault vehicle but custodes do not. at least they have a way to deep strike their guys in now (shit, valdor even gives it to everyone for free if he's the warlord)

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>>51563586
Misericordia, assuming it works like the Caestus' version, makes Bulky units only take one spot in a transport vehicle.

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HH newfag here getting started with the BoP box. What weapons should I give to my tartaros terminators so that they may look cool but not useless in game? Could you rate this word bearer that I built for testing and give me some tips?

>>51563656
>Misericordia, assuming it works like the Caestus' version, makes Bulky units only take one spot in a transport vehicle.
Oh wow, if that's true that's actually very, VERY useful since the Custodes transport only seats twelve.

>>51563656
FUCKING USABLE MORITATS WHEN

>>51563630
The one thing that makes me think this might be the correct interpretation is the rules don't say:
>Because of this certain rites of war may be unavailable
...like it does for raven guard and blood angels.

>>51563656
As shiny as those moritats might be, I'm still going to convert mine from the new Cypher model

>>51563656
then why do the jetbikes have it?

>>51563142
Are they worth using compared to the Spear ones tho?

>>51563605
i can never remember what the different volkite names mean, but he is T5

>>51563605
yes but barely. if he was joined to a unit though it would only do like 4 or 5 wounds to the unit, so killing 1 hekatard guard

When they realise Emprah he must have special rule: I AM MOTHERFUCKING EMPEROR! (emperor is immune to Scoria bad touch)

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Beter late then never, huh?

>>51563666
>Be WB
>Roll 666
Like pottery

Anyway, sorry anon, but unless you take custards/are magnus you'll loose every game.
You paint well though.

>>51563541
It isn't, but good job, kitbashing them together looks a lot better than I had imagined.

>>51563691
Str 5 AP 2 instant death armourbane shots at 12''.

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>>51563686
>>51563656
>>51563586
>Misericordia
probably their dagger

The Rams version is a metaphor, this time it might be literal

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>>51563142
>>51563243
desu when you take their lack of an assault vehicle into the equation these guys are actually the stars of the list as far as infantry is concerned. leave the melee to their godlike I5 dreadnoughts.

Does anyone have the which legion are you flowchart?

>>51563666
the word bearer looks good. terminator loadout can be pretty much whatever you want

>>51563711
slightly disappointing/10

Not bad but it looks like many of the kitbashes I have seen around, as some other anons have said. Really should have at least given them a unique looking launcher on top, after all they went through 2 rounds of design drafting.

>>51563711
>not covered in stars
Where the weekender bingo card?

>>51563729
None of them are good

>>51563711
heads look shite IMO

>>51563728
>Dread sized shield
>Worse than infantry shield

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>>51563728
it's interesting that they split the dreadnought into two different units instead of a customization mess. I kinda like this approach more to be honest, it's truer to the models and less prone to rules interpretation fuckery. that said, this guy (pic related) is phrased so that you get to take the spear while keeping the original arms and their guns...? that doesn't seem right. maybe he just holds the thing? that would be pretty crazy.

>>51563756
yeah, it's a little funny that 40k SW dreads get legit 3++ storm shields but custodians just get 5++ with a reroll. the -1 to hit in close combat is a pretty big deal, though. between that and the I5 it's going to run all over other dreads.

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>>51563691
Their guns are heavy bolters with 6" less range, but with a 12" S5 AP2 Assault 1, Instant Death, Armorbane gun strapped to the bottom.

>>51563686
Look, I didn't make this up. The book apparently doesn't contain rules for Misericorde so this is as good a guess as any.

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>>51563808
>maybe he just holds the thing?
Anon...

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>>51563666
>Word Bearer
>666 trips
Huh, the pantheon favours you anon.

You could give the tartaros some combi plasma, fists and a chainfist or two. That's how I'm building mine. Maybe a plasma blaster too.

Combi plasma is easily converted by using spare plasma pistols.

>>51563808
The 200pt Dread has a D weapon. I was not that overawed by the Custodes so far until they gave the 200pt Dread an I5 D weapon and a 55% invuln.

>>51563666
You probably want to ask the wip thread for C&C.
Nor bad for what I can see, but flip your pictures, don't use the flash and put a plain backdrop.

>>51563688
When are these going on sale?

>>51563808
Look at >>51563164. There's your answer.

>>51563666
Lovely eyes on his hemlet.

>>51563847
>>51563856
>>51563869
I have eyes! Honest! They're, uh, just not very good...

That guy seems really, really good then. He's got a lot of shoot and a lot of choppy at WS6 I5 for 200-250 points-ish. That's honestly not much more than a normal Legion Contemptor if you take DCCW+CF and upgrade the storm bolters into graviton guns or plasma blasters. Pretty nutty if it's a D slapper, too...

>>51563811
>All custodes have a transport capacity of ten models with must be in power, artificer or termie armour, this isn't affected by the bulky special rule
GUYS I FINALLY FOUND OUT HOW WE FIT A PRAETOR AND FIVE TERMIES TOGETHER WITHOUT SHELLING OUT FOR A SPARTEN.

>>51563691
>>51563811
Oh cool

>>51563868
Everything will come out this year. Beyond that, no idea.

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>>51563832

>>51563688

>cataphractii
>not tartaros

whelp, theres the nail in the coffin for anyone holding out hope for tartaros stormshields

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Is this the best character model FW has ever done?

>>>51563713 >>51563735 >>51563850 >>51563863 >>51563871
Thank you anons and sorry for the flipped image I'm retarded
>666 trips
>The gods are with us

>>51563906
Supposedly those go on all terminators.

>>51563906
Never fear, I bet those stormshields will fit Tartaros plastics as well with a bit of chopping between the arm and wrist.

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>>51563964
Nope.

>>51563964
>Not wearing a helmet
Nope.

>>51563964
>doesnt have the rerollable 3++
nope

>>51563883
Remember walkers also get more attacks for every extra weapon. Spear and two fists is two extra attacks pretty sure

>>51563970

Its been left vague for a long while now, unless you consider the infamous Facebook response which is the last official word on the subject.

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here's the rules for the bolter custodes, since people seem interested

the bolt cailver has two fire modes:
>30" S5 AP4 Assault 3
>12" S5 AP2 Assault 1 Instead Death, Armourbane, Gets Hot

30" range for an assault 3 S5 standard weapon is very sexy, especially since they have a very mobile transport. they're still really expensive, but they feel like turbo-sternguard. I like 'em.

also, remember that if you take Valdor as the warlord they get teleporters for free, so that 5ppm tax for deep striking shooty elites gets nullified if you want to. valdor is really, really good in his own right so I can see that being a decent list.

>>51564008
I'm pretty sure they have to specify that on the model? FW's walker rules have almost always been very specific to each unit with differing wording with how weapons affect how many attacks it has.

>>51564040
>>30" S5 AP4 Assault 3
Shit, that's supposed to be Heavy 3, not Assault 3, misread it. That probably makes them less flexible but with 30" range it still works well.

>>51564040
It's actually Heavy 3. The rest is right, though.

>>51564040
>May take the gav-carrier at 6 or fewer models
This suggest that they don't have the harness thing that means that the only possible interpretation of Misericordia is >>51563887

>>51564008
That's not how that works...

>>51564068
Yeah, after re-reading that I immediately realized I had it completely wrong. They're like... devastator-sternguard. It's literally a heavy bolter with a weird S5 meltagun-combi that still does instant death despite not actually being S8.

>>51564082
Good observation! Definitely want to know what that thing is then. Maybe it lets them treat any vehicle as if it was an assault vehicle? That seems dumb, just make it an assault vehicle. So... I don't know. Hopefully someone finds out and posts.

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>>51564040
Brb. It's just not that common

>>51564040
>take 55 units of custards in apocalypse
>get constantine for free
Cool.

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Does this guy get special rules as well? because that 'guardian axe' is the tits and his beard is no less so.

>>51564111
interesting. I guess it's usually only relevant for chaos and ork walkers that don't actually see much play

man, that makes him pretty fucking scary. that's 6 attacks if you take the spear, then?

>>51564127
Assuming so. They didn't specify the included attack like they have in other rules

>>51564127
7 on the charge, so you should see a D hit.

>>51564118
Is that a beard or a rebreather on his face?

>>51564163
It's a fake beard hiding a rebreather.

Anyone got scans of Magnus?

>>51564111
With DS I think they are nice enough, drop don next to a bunch of 2W guys and blast them away, then set up shop in a nearby ruin.
That said, for that price they could do with the Bolter aspect being Salvo 3/3.

>>51564111
Well, what do you know, it's true. I stand corrected.

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So, quick reminder, tomorrow the seminars are
>adeptus titanicus
>art
>black library talk primarchs
>angelus
Out of that lot it's only really Angulus I'm interested in, to be honest.

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Custodes generic character, I think.

>>51563397
>>51563405
its a fleshbane radphage rapier. with 18" defensive independent targeting lightning cannons (heavy 3)

>>51564202
Please don't pour oil onto the Inferno anon, just check the archives.

>>51564223
No, that's Valdor. His base is currently WIP.

>>51564234
Umm. If you have the rules or a link to them, post pls? Because that sounds damn shiny.

>>51564162
Oh, and he has Counter-Attack. So it's 7 on the charge or being charged...

Main weakness I can see is that while he does have Move Through Cover he does not have assault grenades, so he will be at I1 if he charges into terrain. Given that he has counter-attack it seems like you're better off just tanking the charge then? Then again, what kind of unit would actually be striking at initiative with weapons that can hurt him that isn't a itself a knight or a dreadnought (or a primarch, I guess)? So, really, against any cover camping infantry unit you just dive in there anyway, and against a dreadnought that happens to be through cover you can just let him charge you, I guess...?

>>51564234
jesus christ how horrifying. please link if you have the sauce tho

Why FW can do good looking well detailed helmets but making tolerable bare heads is beyond their comprehension?

Do Talons of the Emperor need to be their own detachment or can I just take them like Knights Errant in my primary detachment?

>>51564223
>>51564240
The fact that he's nigh identical to the plastic dude next to him, makes me wonder what's even the point? I can just put a bald head on a regular Custodes in a similar pose and that's it.

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>>51564223

Question: if Custodes Spearmen can equip stormshields, whats the point of the Custodes Sworddudes?

>>51564285
>invisible DJing contest

>>51564274
They need to have their own, they're a full-fledged army with their own OP toys now.

>>51564285
plasticplebs BTFOd

>>51564302
Answer: regular spear dudes can't take shields and you need something to use as your troops.

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>>51564240
>same pose and body as normal Custodes
>bare head from custode kit
what make you think this is Valdor? He don't even look like on his picture in Inferno.

Golden Space Kurgan with spear when?

>>51564274
see >>51563586
has some of the detachment rules, at least for sisters

I will admit I haven't completely read through everything but I thought I saw it in there skimming through it

1)
>Grey Slayers
>20x, Shields, 4x PF, Huscarl w/ MB, PF -340

>Breachers
>20x- 350

I know Combat shields =/= Boarding shields, but with the extra melee attack, would this be more dangerous when they get to close combat?

2)
>Grey Slayers
>20x, +Bolters, SGT w/ PW, MB - 275

>Tac Squad
>20x, +CCW, Vexilla, SGT w/ PW, MB-290

With Legion Astartes (Space Wolves) -
>Units with this special rule may always attempt to regroup regardless of causalities.
The Vexilla is no longer needed for 20 man blobs, giving two comparably outfitted units a price difference of 15 points. Is this worth the loss of Furryotl? Or is it a good trade in light of the higher mobility of the Grey Slayers?

3)
>Grey Slayers
>10x, PWx10, Rhino- 210

>Legion Veteran Tac squad
>10x, PWx10, Rhino- 295

This is just something I wanted to bring up, the point difference is staggering considering one is an Elite slot and the other is the compulsory troop choice.

>>51564302
shield prevents you from using the AP2 profile of the spear.

>>51563964
It's probably one of their bests, looks regal as fuck.

>>51563989
That's the best Ritchie Blackmore miniature I've ever seen.

>>51564223
Is that a Jewish Aquila nose?

>>51564302
>>51564335
Oh, and you don't get the bonuses for charging with a spear if you have a shield, making sword and board better than hoplites.

>>51564302
Answer: They can't. And even if they could, what would be the point? Sentinel Blade > Guardian Spear.

>>51564281
>>51564339
Alright anons, its of course not Valdor, I'm just messing with ya'll.

>>51564351
>With Legion Astartes (Space Wolves) -
>>Units with this special rule may always attempt to regroup regardless of causalities.
Thats every single legion, anon... It's the generic LA rule. Also has nothing to do with what a vex does.

>>51564339
>He don't look like his picture
To be fair, neither do a lot of FW's characters.

>>51564351
>Furryotl
Was supposed to be F urry otl

>>51564389
woops.

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>>51564249
>>51564253

>>51564379
Hetaeron Guard can, but its a bad idea

>>51564339
Someone post the Slavdor pic again

>>51564414
>AP4
Thank fuck.

>>51564457
:^) I'm going to be making my IG opponent very upset.

What would be a nice 500pts allied detachment of sisters? I want to use the excruciatus cadre as HQ.

Misericordia RULES anyone?

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>>51564457
Tau beware.

>the strongest custodes troops are the bolter troops

Thank the Emperor I haven't assembled my Custodes yet. And who the fuck needs Custermies when theres Hetaeron Guard. Putting together a functional Custodes army is going to be amazingly cheap.

>>51564414
what's interesting is that instead of making the independent targeting full BS like they usually do (the Triaros has bizarre wording that makes the Volkite Sentinels always fire BS4 no matter what) it's instead firing at BS2 if it has to move. that's a nice compromise. still, since that's two guns at Heavy 3 that's a lot of dakka. it reads a little like they wanted to give it overwatch but changed the rules after playtesting? it's kind of strange.

>>51564457
god help anyone playing solar auxilia or cults, though. it would absolutely ravage tech thrall objective campers, too. ignore cover AP4 makes anyone that isn't a space marine no longer exist

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>>51564424
Go fuck yourself

>>51564538
That is NOT FUCKING CANON!

>>51563310
Is that a vagina exposing a cervix, or labia majora exposing labia minora?

>>51564457
Son of a bitch, I was hoping they wouldn't give us a billion anti-cover rules and neglect to provide any chance to use them again. Welcome, shitty grounded Vulturax, you're a tad useless when Thallax are mandatory for me and Vulturax exist for blast spam. If you dropped Fleshbane and got AP3 Is actually use you.

Yes, I know that it makes Fire Warriors and Solar Auxilia cry, but guess what I never actually fight? Those fucking guys.

>>51564414
surprisingly tame compared to the usual mechanicum fare
does the krios have machine spirit?

>>51563682
THIS

That fucking Cypher is joining my Death Guard asap.

>>51564507
see >>51563726

>>51564623
nope, I'm presuming the idea is that you hide it like all barrage stuff and then the "sponsons" take out any silly gooses trying to deep strike in some sort of scion equvilant group with meltas comming for you without stopping the mortar rain of d00m.

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>>51564569
You know it is!

So what are the Deathsworn packs supposed to be? Proto-Wulfen disguised as assault marines?

>>51564634
So its just a CCB wepon?

>>51564541
With recasts, Custodes just became a poorfags dream

>$14 a squad of 5 custodes

Depending on squad, thats ~300 points. At that rate you could get a 2.5k for <$150

>>51564698
S:User AP3

>>51564673
I don't see what he's worried about, look at that massive stack of paper they gave him to write his name on.

>>51564695
seems like they are just generic edgelord destroyer squad guys 2bh

>>51564708
Oh, neat.

>>51564505
I'm going with :
Jenetia Krole - 150
Oblivion Knight +5 knights - 150
+ Kharon pattern Acquisitor w/ extra armor - 130
Prosecutor - 65

Infiltrate to keep up with my RG.

>>51564623
>does the krios have machine spirit?
the krios usually only has one gun unless you buy the 15 point volkite sentinels (it's not modeled with them, but it can buy one or two if you want). they have the same rules as the volkite sentinels that the triaros has, which let them split fire and shoot "in addition to any other weapons the vehicle is carrying without penalty"

granted, it's just a volkite charger, so it's not that crazy, but the way "without penalty" is phrased means you can move 12" and still fire them at BS4 which seems a little dumb.

the rule design for the new tanks is a lot more reasonable and easier to parse as well

>>51564709
Writing it out by hand would take an eternity though.

>>51564752
fug, i meant the triaros, not the krios

>>51564702

Don't even bother with recasts. You can put together 90% of a Custodes army with Prospero squads, some Sternguard bits, Contemptors, and some Librarian Dreadnought bits.

The only things that need to be bought from Forgeworld are termies (which are completely optional), grav tank, and special characters (again optional).

>>51563118

Terran Night Lords > Nostraman Night Lords

>>51564708
wait, what's the point of it then? aren't their weapons all either specialist weapons or two-handed? I remember the 40k rules gave the sword guys an extra attack if you set them up as sword+dagger with no shield, but that doesn't seem possible for any of the 30k units. is there a unit I'm missing that has the option to pistol+CCW or another CCW that isn't two-handed/specialty weapon?

>>51564761
well, it's the same thing, it's just stock on the triaros and an option for the krios that no one takes since their points efficiency is the entire reason they're overpowered. volkite sentinel is just a volkite charger that gets to do whatever it wants because mechanicum.

Which ones are the troop choices for sisters?

>>51564673
Lmao.

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>>51564702
>>51564765
>not just buying 60 bucks worth of cuckstodcast eternals and having a broken af 2.5k army

>>51563666
>666
That's table top quality for sure

>>51564765

Callidus will be worth it. Twin Linked 72" S10 AP1 or 48" S8 AP3 Heavy 4 will kill a lot of tanks, or marines, dead.

>>51564830
Stop trying peddle your meme here.

>>51564830
You can try to push your shitty meme as much as you want, it won't work I'm afraid.

>>51564765
>grav tank
but that's by far the best unit in their army
the jetbikers seem pretty good too, move through cover T6 bikers are pretty rad

>>51564830

You have to go to China to find anything cheap than 1 model = $1 on average for Stormcast.

>>51564848
>>51564873

Sorry, I should have made clear that grav tank is basically a must have.

>>51564864
>>51564870
keep crying nerds, you know its going to happen and all tournaments are going to ban custodes.

>>51564919
>tournaments

This is 30k, who the fuck cares.

>>51564929
>make cuckstode army
>your group agrees to play you
>they immediately realize they are gamebreaking and never play against them again
dont call it a grave, its the future you chose.

>>51564919
>tournaments
there's not that many 30k tournaments, bro. if all these guys do get 40k rules they're going to look very different; the BoP guys are already dramatically more powerful in 40k.

>>51564951
are you talking about taking the 30k custodes army against 40k armies? because... that would not go how you think it would go. very few 30k armies compete with 40k armies at all, and when they do it's usually something ridiculous like the questoris household list.

>>51564566
Ayy lmao
Thanks anon. I fucking love it. Cracks me up every time

>>51564952

40k guys are literally 300 dudes. I doubt they will ever progress beyond a token detachment in 40k.

>>51564979
no. im talking about the 30k cuckstode army against 30k armies.

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Not a fan of the new Custodes bikes, to be honest. The rider looks boring as sin and fairly uninvolved. I get that they need some continuity with the other dickbikes, but still, I prefer the old design.

>>51565002
I really doubt they're going to be overpowered in 30k. Your model/wound count gets really, really low when your cheapest dudes are 55ppm/26.5ppw. Their tanks and bikes and dreadnoughts are pretty amazing, but troops are what win games and they can't really bring that many.

I think it's a little too early to make any judgments since I haven't tried to actually finagle around with a list yet, but I have a strong feeling that it's going to be really hard to feel like you actually have enough dudes on the board.

>>51565037
I don't dislike them, but I do agree that the old design was way cooler.

>>51565057
>I really doubt they're going to be overpowered in 30k.
have you read their rules?

>>51565037
All the old rad grav-vehicles designs must be replaced by sextoys anon.

>>51564830
>cuckstodcast

I don't even know what this is a portmanteau of. Failed meme.

>>51564803
prosecutors and vigilators

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>>51565037

>>51565111
you can stop samefagging kid, its not going to make your primarch survive a 1v1 in the age of cuckstode.

Inferno Scans when?

>>51565158
No eagle, no sale.

>>51565169
Probably never considering scanon has not access to his scanner anymore.

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John French, Chris Wright, Alan Blight.
> French
Looks like a slav, maybe typical middle aged failure who argues loudly with the tv in a pub/bar.
> Wright
Looks like an English Professor. I dig the Polo plus sweater combo. Keeping it professional.
> Blight
Grossly overweight neckbeard. Can literally smell his foul odour through the pic.
What does this say about HH writers?

>>51565158
Intriguing.
>>51565169
Inferno? No one cares about that any more, it's all about Angelus nowadays.
I don't like the name, all the others are synonyms of battle and war, Angelus doesn't fit the trend imho.

Basic Custodes Army

Shield Captain w/ Power Fist + PShield + Digital Lasers: 235
3 Sentinels: 185
3 Sentinels: 185
3 Bolters: 185
3 Bolters: 185

975 points

Plenty of room to toss in more cheap Prospero troops, Contemptors, and a Grav Tank to hit upper point games. And you only need $100 to start a 1k point army.

>>51565158
It's good, but it is missing something...

>>51565203
Blight is papa Nurgle, he loves us HH and 40k fags ang he gives us nice IA and HH books.

Anyone have a link to a good place to get BL audiobooks? My usual source is fucked, and youtube doesn't have anything recent.

>>51565203

From a guy who was there, Chris said said that the Heresy being planned, by the Emperor - not very warhammery, especially if it was a super clever plan all along. the story of the Heresy is ultimately meant to be a tragedy.

Based Wraight called out Laurie.

Whats the point of Sweeping Fire on the Custodes Bikes? They only have one weapon

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>>51564799
>wait, what's the point of it then? aren't their weapons all either specialist weapons or two-handed? I remember the 40k rules gave the sword guys an extra attack if you set them up as sword+dagger with no shield, but that doesn't seem possible for any of the 30k units. is there a unit I'm missing that has the option to pistol+CCW or another CCW that isn't two-handed/specialty weapon?
>>51564708
Figured it out finally... sort of. The Hetaeron Guard Squad can replace their spears with Solerite Power Gauntlets which are basically just master-crafted powerfists... which are not specialist weapons. I checked it again, it's the only weapon option they have that's not either two-handed or specialist weapon. They're 3 attacks base as it is, so that's 4 attacks, 5 on the charge, and since they're S5 their PFs are S10. You lose their I5 when you use the Solerite thing, but since the Misericordia is still S5 AP3 I5 you can use that as a fallback option instead if you're up against a bunch of marines and need to just body guys before they can swing instead of punching tank-sized holes into tanks.

So, basically, it's a S5 AP3 backup weapon, but most of their weapons already strike at initiative with an equal or better profile so it's strange that so many units have them as what feels like a point tax. It's only relevant on units that have or can take something unwieldy; it's doubly interesting because the weapon that is unwieldy also happens to get double CCW benefit from it.

The Aquilon Terminators are also SPG+Misericordia base, so base 3 attacks +1 with the option of S10 AP1 I1 or S5 AP3 I5. Seems pretty fuckin' handy for a terminator.

Somewhat bizarrely Shield Captains do not have Misericordia or the option to take them even though they're one of the few things that can take a Solerite Power Gauntlet. They can just take Digital Lasers, although that doesn't give them the versatility of the S5 AP3 at initiative backup.

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>>51565192
You could just slap your own shit on it.

>>51565228
Thank the Emperor there's one sane guy there.

What army does Wraight play?

>>51565228
Wright confirmed for best HH, hell best BL, author ever.
ADBfags and Abnettcucks kindly GTFO.

>>51565259
Are those Sanguinary Guard wings?

>>51565273
Yes.

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>>51565254
Weapon profiles for reference. Note how the SPG stands out; everything else has specialist weapon. Now that I get it the design is actually pretty cool, since it stresses how Custodians are supposed to be versatile one-man-army killing machines. Having a dagger that's better than the average SM power sword and a power fist that hits as hard as a dreadnought at the same time - and using them together for an extra CCW swing - is Custodes as fuck.

>>51565270
Don't wank him off too hard anon, /tg/ did that to ADB in times past and look what happened to him.

>>51565262
If he is sane, he probably doesn't.
He probably says models are toys. And toys are for children.
Perhaps while calmly sitting in a leather chair in front of a fire, while carefully cleaning his glasses on his sweater, while giving you a slightly disapproving look, before sipping a glass of scotch

>>51562832
>IW get Tyrants and shocking are still bitter
This. It's Cataphractii with a Cyclone launcher on top, idk what we were expecting.
Most importantly, thank you for compiling the new pics.

>>51565254
>>51565291

The one excuse I have to field spearmen is gone now. Fuck.

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>>51565319
Here's the terminators for further reference. I didn't really get the point until I saw the base three attacks and the base Misericordia + SPG combo. Now that I understand it they're actually crazy vicious beatsticks. They're pretty fuckin' neato.

>>51565350

You know whats funny? Hetaerons have more wounds than Terminators.

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Speaking of Custodes, what are your thoughts on their terminators?The lastrum storm bolters don't really convince me, but brawling at S10 AP1 or S6 AP3 I5 is neat.

>>51565228
>is based
>relatively unknown
>calls out the establishment on their bullshit
Reminder that if you take Chris Wraight and rearrange the letters, then remove some letters, the add some other letters you get Jaghatai Khan.

>>51565371
a 95 point hateron can 1v1 a kitted out praetor. balanced.

>>51565394
Praetors do have MotL, you aren't purely paying for CQC prowess like the Guard.

>>51564799
the solarite fists aren't specialist weapons...

Wait Bolterstodes weapons are HEAVY? Are you serious?

>>51565453
Heavy bolters and assault terran death rays(fuck mars)

>>51565453
The meltagun part isn't. The important part.

>>51565453

Yep. Park them on an objective and make hot dogs.

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>>51565453
>tfw no Custodes tacticals as Troops

>>51565431
yeah nobody takes praetors for their close combat ability, thats why nobody ever upgrades them...

>>51565254
The Sagittarum also carry the damn thing, allowing the firesupport dudes to also brawl at S5 AP3 I5, which might make a couple of the usual backline hunters rethink their plans.

>>51565230

They can take a heavy weapon. So everyone can fire, and can split the fire.

>>51565490
That probably would have pushed me to make a custodes army beyond using the 5 from BoP as allies

>>51565492
People upgrade them because of the sunk costs fallacy. They've got to take him for their RoW, may as well kit him out for something useful. Oh wait, he needs a bodyguard too. And a transport to actually get into combat. And more upgrade, and more bodyguards, and maybe I'll change the RoW to really make them slap shit...

And that's how you get Spartanstars.

>>51565516
They're relentless already from the bike, the rule does nothing

>>51565525
and whats your justification for a 270 point generic custode being able to 1v1 any primarch besides magnus/russ?

>TSons get to overwatch at BS2
>While having Shred everywhere

They hit 50% of their overwatch shoots, lmao

>>51565490
What are >>51563142 then? Heavy Support?

>>51565037
I do like the rider positioning better in the old design but the eagle prow design is way too big.

>>51565544
>I have no ideas how the rules work.

>>51565521
There's always hope for the future, but I'm not holding my breath.

>>51565556
The eagle is the best part!

>>51565371
Yeah, Hetaerons are pretty bonkers. They take the "army of characters" thing and really run with it. Shame the picture is cropped, I want to read their fluff.

I think I'd keep them simple, just replace the spear with the fist and take one guy with the vexilla and power weapon. Main problem with the Hetaerons versus the Termies though is that if you build them that way they have no ranged attack beyond one guy in the unit throwing a grenade. The Termies have the fist, dagger and gun stock, whereas the Heterons have their guns in their spears and lose them if you take fists. If Custodes had an assault vehicle it wouldn't be an issue, but since they don't I'm not sure it's really all that amazing.

>>51565432
Yeah, I figured that out now. Note how I've replied to myself like four times. Thanks for the heads up, though!

>>51565453
It's weird, the melta one isn't, but the "main" one is basically just a heavy bolter with 6" less range. I suspect they're Heavy Support, though, so it makes more sense if they're the Custodes version of a Devastator marine - sure, we have a heavy bolter, but if you get close we're going to blast you with a laser and then knife fight your head off.

>>51565503
Yeah, they really put an emphasis on every unit having a lot of versatility. Between the "we have a weapon for everything" and the solid 5s statline they do give off the feel of being to Space Marines what Space Marines are to Guardsmen.

>>51565230
I... guess one of them can also throw a grenade! Yeah I'm lost on that one.

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>>51565556
>slapping golden eagles on shit
>too big
Wrong.

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>>51565540
Makes you wonder why the Emperor bothered making the Primarchs at all, since the Custodes are stronger and absolutely loyal, rather than 20 Freudian nightmares.

>>51565535

I realize. I'm saying it allows the bikes to use Split Fire, and fire the Bolt Cannons at infantry, while the Las-Pulse at a tank

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>>51565545
Yes. With 30" range Heavy Bolters with a disintegration ray mounted under the muzzle.

>>51564364
>Is that a Jewish Aquila nose?
No anon. His collar simply aligned with his nose, creating the impression of an extra long nose.
His armour is made out of Jew gold, though.

>>51565598
Probably because he needed templates to create legions from and he couldn't use the Custodians as a template for Astartes? Or something like that? The entire gene-seed idea is a little arbitrary as it is, so we just have to assume that Big E was doing the best he could with what was actually possible.

>>51565540
I'm not justifying it at all. Just saying why people upgrade praetors when most of the time they end up being a 100 point (or worse) tax for RoW.

So does anyone have anything from the actual book that says they all get power swords or did >>51564708 just make it all up.

>>51565575
>>51565593
I like it. I'd just prefer if it was a bit smaller and more streamlined. Like art-deco. I'll probably take a stab at sculpting my own out of green-stuff.

>>51563142
These do not look like a heavy weapons team. Whats their purpose? Talons are not lacking in firepower. They dont even score. If you move they can only use the 12" attack effectively, if they stay put its just slightly worse heavy bolters, in an army full of low AP instadeathing shooting.

>>51565607
Im not talking about Split Fire, I'm talking about SWEEPING Fire. It literally does nothing.

>>51565635
That's from the stuff that was already released.

>>51565576

Termies are built to be versatile. Hets are built to get into the thick of it and eliminate enemy HQ+retinue. I can use Termies to hold a position, but I would go charging with Hets.

>>51565635
I'm applying logic. Their rules had their power daggers that were S:User AP3. The models still have the daggers but its not listed. They probably wanted to differentiate between the AL Power dagger which is -1S to these which as just power swords, and thus renamed them and forgot to include it.

BS SW 3000 point list (2995)


ROW- Bloodied Claws

HQ
>praetor-180
>terminator armor, paragon blade, digital lasers, iron halo
>Command Squad-175
>1 extra chosen, tartaros terminator Armour, 3x power fists, 1x chainfist
>dedicated Transport-LR Phobos-225

>Priest of Fenris
>Speaker of the dead
>Rune Armor-135

>Priest of Fenris
>Speaker of the dead
>Rune Armor-135

Elites
>Legion Apothecary detachment
>2x, 2xAA- 110

Troops
>Grey Slayers
>20x, Shields, 4x PF, Huscarl w/ MB, PF -340
>Grey Slayers
>20x, Shields, 4x PF, Huscarl w/ MB, PF -340
>Grey Slayers
>20x, +Bolters, Vexilla, SGT w/ PW, MB - 285
>Grey Slayers
>20x, +Bolters, Vexilla, SGT w/ PW, MB - 285

Heavy Support
>Sicarian Battle Tank, hunter killer-170
>Sicarian Battle Tank, hunter killer-170

>leviathan-390
>melta lance, Dread pod

>>51565598
nah see since the emperor made the primarchs after the cuckstodes the primarchs were the ones who benefited from ridiculous powercreep, not the other way around.

I forget can we post links on /tg/? There's a full gallery of Talons of the Emperor on Imgur.

>>51565648
>Whats their purpose?
Without scoring, yeah, they're not very good. If they had Implacable Advance and/or the shooting attack was Assault (even if it meant shorter range) they'd be way better. As it stands there's no way you'd take them over a tank unless you just love the models.

>>51565672
That's fair. In that role I'd probably just max out the unit size, make 1 or 2 of them carry a shield to tank arrival shooting and use the teleporter deep strike instead of a transport. It's just a big fuck off "what you gonna do about it bitch" unit that fucks you up if you charge them and fucks you up if you let them charge. Only answer is to try and shoot them down. Granted, there's plenty of things in 30k that have S10 AP1 pie plates, so... it's not as though it has no counters. There are a lot of ways it can go very, very badly.

>>51565698
if you dont have the models already, youd be better off with power swords/axes on all of the slayers.

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>>51565699
*drives faster than the Khan away from the golden boys*

>>51565209
>Angelus doesn't fit the trend imho.
Call it Revelation.
Angels play an important role in Revelations, and the Emperor used that name in The Last Church

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>Grey Slayers must be compulsory troops always

Doesn't this lock the space wolves out of almost every Rite of War beyond their two special ones?

>>51565598
Because he didn't anticipate the Primarchs getting launched away. He probably intended to have the Custodes purge the Astartes and Primarchs after the Great Crusade, much like the Marines killed all the Thunder Warriors.

Then the Custodes would remain a small force, merely his personal guard, and humanity would stay human, evolving naturally.

>>51565314
I think you may be wright

>>51565766
No?

>>51564613
I actually thought they were giant tits or bras when I first saw it.

Why's everyone frothing so hard over Sagittarum? I'm missing something.

>>51565711

>There are a lot of ways it can go very, very badly.

To be fair, you're playing the 20-30 man army of Supermen. You're pretty much asking for people to throw their most expensive FWshit at you.

>>51565730
i dont know what FW expects us to do to counter cuckstodes. are we just supposed to ally in our own cuckstodes? what are traitors supposed to do? ally in the new gamebreaking ksons? have we finally the point where the questoris knight list replaces the legion list as the generic go to army?

>>51565778

No, He would have stopped geneseed production. The Astartes would have died out and passed into legend. The Primarchs would remain as overseers and champions of humanity.

>>51565784

But doesn't the legion requirement of compulsory troops overwrite the Rite of War's?

>>51565778
This is an interesting amount of powercreep.

In the novels didn't an unarmed, unarmoured World Eaters sergeant kill a Custodes fairly easily?

>>51565812

Throw everything at them.

>>51565831

>In the novels

And in the novels, Blood Ravens and Eldar once shared a research station.

>>51565837
whats 'everything'? because if its just a handful of s10 pieplates and a few tactical blobs that wont work at all.

>>51565831
Plot armor, plot strength, etc. Shit always changes depending on who's writing.

>>51565766

See>>51563630
>No, that is only for RoWs that don't have other units as compulsory units.
>Grey Slayers replace Tac squads, Assault and Breacher squads for compulsory troops in most RoWs

and the reply, >>51563681
>The one thing that makes me think this might be the correct interpretation is the rules don't say:
>Because of this certain rites of war may be unavailable
>...like it does for raven guard and blood angels.

>>51565852

Everything. Primarchs. Spartans. Pie plates. Discount Shadowswords and Thunderhawks. Fucking Titans. Everything.