Speculative Bio/Evo

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>>51559726
Why would you make a thread about this topic on /trash/ instead of /tg/

>>51559726
>tfw on phone and can't post All Tomorrows

>>51559746
Didn't think about it at the time.

>>51559784
daily reminder to remove the qu

>>51560626
REMOVE QU! INTERGALACTIC RACE WAR NOW!

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>>51559784
>tfw on phone and can't post All Tomorrows

This time, I've got YOU.

>Future is Wild
I for one welcome our squibbon overlords

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>>51560753
I liked these ones.

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>>51560689
Thanks, Anon

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I for one welcome out sentient spider overlords.

Wait no I don't.

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Anyone got smart dinosaurs?

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>>51562534
Does this count?

>>51559726
Man after Man is the most horrifying book I've ever read.

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>>51563235
I remember showing it and After Man to some of my old stoner/jock friends, and they seemed to get a kick out of it. Everyone else either didn't care, or were disgusted.

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>>51562534
What use are those tools would the proper arms to use them

>>51563558
>That pic
Grandpa?

>>51566503
I don't get what's going on in the second and third panels. What are those guys chopping up?

>>51567062
The crab thing on its head

>>51567091
Oh, I see.

How horrifying.

Does anyone have the picture of the Bureaucrat Bird from Spec-World? It's impossible to find.

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>>51567122
It's even worse when you realize that the Sitta (crab-thing) and the Strida (tall thing) are in some sort of symbiotic relationship.

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>>51567403
Also, I think the third pannel is them reconditioning the strida to hold a human.

How would a campaign in one of these speculative universes work?
Generic time travel plot?

>>51560689

Holy shit, that was neat.

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>>51567483
Maybe, there's also reality-warping and space travel for the more crazy ideas (e.g. alien worlds and alternate timelines)

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>>51560689
I'm gonna have weird fuckin dreams tonight because of this, aren't I?

http://dragonthunders.deviantart.com/gallery/
http://biofauna25.deviantart.com/gallery/
http://trollmans.deviantart.com/gallery/
http://hyrotrioskjan.deviantart.com/gallery/

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>>51568548
>truteal
Good to see a member of the board here.

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>>51560689
WELP, I'm not sleeping well tonight.

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>>51561919
>Ignore gravital posters

My sides

>>51559746

Because some futures cannot be seen on a blue board.

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>>51559726

Are there no PDFs of these, beyond the All Tomorrows one?

>>51571525
All the Dixon ones are on Library Genesis at least

>>51571618

Blocked in my country, and proxies don't seem to help.

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Reminder that there's thing, use it to browse for sites:
http://speculativeevolution.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page

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>>51571680
This is hopelessly outdated but I hope you have some luck:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1u7rviJLcqUXyWNq6SLWC-1IWqstxgxDrhB2CwgfaZVs/edit

>>51571618
>>51571680
>>51571714

Found an alternate site thanks to your suggestion. Something called bookzz dot org.

>>51571728
ah yeah, that's literally a libgen mirror. Surprised that didn't get blocked along with the main site.

>>51559726
This is one of the most interesting things I've seen in a while. Could they be used for games?

>>51571746
Sivatherium is another good one.

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>>51573925
I don't see why not. Dixon was actually gonna have humans interact with his After Man animals via time travel, so that could be a scenario.

>>51570734
I want

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>>51561919
That Gravital honestly has a point. This book is creepy in an even deeper way than what one might suspect from the topic.

Frankly, it might be the sick shit that I've seen on 4chan influencing my thought processes, but I'm reminded of nothing so much as transformation fetish pornography, which can sometimes emphasize loss of sapience/intelligence as a kink related to degradation. This feels especially potent in the section of pre-sapient post-Star Men life-forms, where he kind of beats you over the head with how bestial virtually every single variety of these formerly-human creatures are. Virtually any of the post-Qu species can be used as examples for this. The Colonists seem to outline another tack these transformation fetishes can take, which involves retention of intelligence alongside a crippling or humiliating transformation of the victim. They share this with the herbivorous grazing post-humans as well (for these, the author makes careful note of how their faculties for higher intelligence were slowly bred away, i.e., degraded). I'm not unconvinced that this guy had a boner the entire time he was writing/drawing this.

And then, what does he close the book with? An image of his persona as another post-human mutant. Am I just being paranoid for comparing that to what is commonly referred to as a "fursona"?

>>51576529
It's by the guy who came up with Fuckers, Flipdicks, and Megafags right? Of course it's his fetish.

>>51576659
>Fuckers, Flipdicks, and Megafags
what

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>>51576701
>he doesn't know
His handle is Nemo Ramjet, look him up.

>>51561919
there will be a great war fought between proponents of biotechnological evolution and cyberneticists. Total Annihilation is a prophetic game.

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>>51576529
Not really sure if that creature at the end is a posthuman or not. Seems like it might just be some yahoo from another lineage alltogether, with as many convoluted steps in its development as the humans he's been studying.

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>Futurama never had any After Man references

>>51576786
Suisei no Gargantia as well.

>>51576529
>>51577037

I believe it's a xeno species. It does mention that "humanity" has been extinct for a billion years. But speaking of the themes of degration it does feel weirdly sexual.

>>51577037

That's not human. It was said that humans disappeared about a billion years before writing the book.

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>>51576529
the point of the whole book is showing that the journey, not the destination, is all that really matters. This is shown by the psyches and actions of the Qu and the Gravital. History and mankind is the creature on page 62, it's the unfinished existence of the Star Men, the autonomy of the Martian Americans.

>>51577770
and the autonomy*

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>>51577759
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saccorhytus
This is the oldest ancestor of humanity that we know about and it is extinct. Going by your logic, how could it be extinct if we are descended from it? Surely we're a direct continuation of it.

Regarding All Tomorrows, humanity is extinct. A multitude of creatures that have descended from humanity are also distinct. There's probably a few creatures that still exist at that point which are descended from humanity however, with >>51577037 potentially being one of them.

>>51577854
But the writer does not talk about the humans as ancestors.

>>51577770
Well, obviously. He stated that at least twice, explicitly. But that doesn't mean that the actual meat of the book supports that, or that that meaning is mutually exclusive with the fact that the author might get a stiffy from writing it.

Which is the most body horror regarding human evolution of these works? I read All Tomorrows but none of the others.

>>51576529
by your logic lovecraft had a boner for tentacles and milton had a boner for satan
it is also possible the author was deeply afraid of the subject of intentional genetical degradation of humankind (either by ruling elites or alien overlord) and that led him to create that book
tl;dr not everything arises from sexual desire

>>51577993
Have you seen any of his other works? His tumblr's a Freudian goldmine.

>>51577854
>There's probably a few creatures that still exist at that point which are descended from humanity however, with >>51577037 potentially being one of them.

Nah, the one thing the epilogue there hammered home is that, at long last, all of humanity's descendants were gone, our chapter ended once and for all.

>>51578027
i have seen his deviantArt

>>51577980
Well, in After Man civilization falls, and engineered humanoids replace all macrofauna as mindless beasts, complete with food-chains.

>>51577980

Man After Man.

>>51578033
Nah.

Our race influenced other races, which laid the ground for others and others after them. Who knows, there might be a patch of fertile soil in the universe that was home to a humble species of marsupial that would someday rise to dominate an entire spiral arm of a galaxy, and it mightn't have existed without the influence of humanity, for one reason or another.

Humanity's impact was made and that's something that could never be wiped off of the face of the universe.

>>51577993
Well, I guess it's possible that this was in response to fear instead of sexual obsession. I was just commenting on its similarities with what I know for certain to be examples of sexual obsession (which is, of course, not mutually exclusive with fear). I don't have knowledge of anything about, for example, erotic works about race-mixing, so I wouldn't be able to compare that to Lovecraft's stuff about Innsmouth's fish people.

>>51577993
Not really, I'm getting the same vibes from him that I get from other authors that are deep into their magical realms, including the average Japanese doujin author.
If we're doing pop psychology I'd call it a Madonna-whore complex. He probably sees degradation as vile (obviously) but he also finds it deeply arousing and fascinating, just like he gets off on the idea of beasts brutally fucking people to death with their dick-spikes.

>>51578174
That's not even a Madonna-whore complex: that's specifically a complex about not being able to feel attracted to women as sexual beings without thinking of them as disgusting harlots and elevating women you don't see sexually to unrealistically pure standards.

>He probably sees degradation as vile (obviously) but he also finds it deeply arousing and fascinating...
But to find something "arousing" and "fascinating" doesn't even imply that he finds it EROTICALLY arousing and fascinating: those are both words that could adequately describe a fear response. I personally still feel there's an erotic aspect of this fascination, just as my hunch... but I could be wrong.

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>>51576659
>...just like he gets off on the idea of beasts brutally fucking people to death with their dick-spikes.
Are we sure that this is the same guy who runs those tumblrs and deviatarts, etc.? I think that's a relevant question. There might be people out there who like this sort of thing for entirely non-erotic reasons (most of us, for example, maybe).

Anyone has All yesterdays?

>>51578360
That's a thing?

>>51578360

Here (it's also available on Sivatherium)

>>51560689

>>51578412
>>51578399
All yesterdays is about alternative interpretation of dinosaurs.

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>>51578360
Got a physical copy of it and Cryptozoologicon.

>>51578333
>Are we sure that this is the same guy
Yes. He even advertises his books on his devart.

>>51578333
> Are we sure that this is the same guy who runs those tumblrs and deviatarts, etc.? I think that's a relevant question. There might be people out there who like this sort of thing for entirely non-erotic reasons (most of us, for example, maybe).

Are you absolutely positive about the sexual connotation here? When I read all tomorrows a couple of years back, it did not give me a fetish-y vibe, but I enjoyed it immensely anyway. Can't say I've ever read anything remotely like this book

FFS, you can't, with a straight face, say that you didn't find it fascinating. The book gets posted here over and over again - this means it did something right when it managed to captivate people like it did. If it was purely about fetish stuff, this wouldn't happen.

>>51577037
>Author talks about behaviour of species from hundreds of millions of years ago
>Talks about soft tissues, sound producing capabilities, social behaviour
>Has no actual way of knowing this from fossils

The author is in league with the Qu, I'm telling you.

>>51579978
There are records aplenty. Some of the beings in there even interact with the 'camera'.

>>51579978
The Qu had been conquered and destroyed by the New Empire millions of years before the author discovered the remains of humanity.

>>51580672
where does it say that?

>>51580807
>One could go indefinitely, chronicling how the united galaxies reencountered
and subdued the Qu

>>51581225
Quite easy to accidentally miss that sentence.

>>51581349
It is.

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Boump

>>51560689
You would think cybernetics would be more common

>>51583878
Why use frail machines when you can grow strong organisms?

>>51579410
>Are you absolutely positive about the sexual connotation here?
Well, no. I thought I'd mentioned that. It's possible that NOBODY thinks of this for erotic reasons -- but that does seem unlikely.
>FFS, you can't, with a straight face, say that you didn't find it fascinating.
And I certainly didn't say anything like that! I admitted that I enjoyed it myself, but not in an erotic sense.
>If it was purely about fetish stuff, this wouldn't happen.
I'm not sure this is true -- but, as I mentioned before, the most likely case probably isn't as clean-cut as "he wrote it to fap to" OR "he wrote it because it was creepy." It could be both; it could be neither; it could be a strange mix of the two. Authorial intent is notoriously hard to nail down.

>>51579978
This bothered me a bit, but not as much as the totally handwaved problem of FTL communication. Communication moves at the speed of light, so how could anything like any of the Galactic Empires have formed in the first place, when this was BEFORE FTL travel existed in the first place via wormholes and things? He goes on and on about the vast distances and timespans involved in the eons of each civilization, and about slower-than-FTL Arks carrying species and things like that, but he never even mentions at what point FTL communication becomes possible.

>>51562325
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBkWhkAZ9ds
It already exists though

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>>51560689
QU GENOCIDE FUCKING WHEN

>>51584275
Well, the time scale is apparently outrageously long in the setting. Remember the Machine-Asteromorph took literally millions of years.

>After Man
>The Future is Wild
My niggers. Someone post Expedition and we'll be all fuckin' set.

Such an underrated genre. I wish there were more books out there like the Dougal Dixon books. Haven't found much else.

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I knew there was a reason I like you nigs

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>>51562534
I got sum

>>51585849

Here you go

https://mega.nz/#!2kMB1LhZ

>>51588637

Sorry, here's the link with key

https://mega.nz/#!2kMB1LhZ!ghgLnLLQkN0uI9zqWfen8i9e32fCnpqESFdL3TeW_ns

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>>51562534
That's a good artist, I like his stuff.

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>>51590837
At least bump with a picture.

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>>51590893
>Snaiad
Hooo boy.

>>51559726
Bumpi g thread for note glorious speculative evolution

How much do you guys actualy know about evolution?

>>51591348
I've given myself a voluntary lobotomy in order to enjoy this shit.

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>>51591348
Quite a bit actually. Would love to see what a group of evolutionary biologists could come up with.

TFiW doesn't count.

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>>51591348
I can enjoy these things without being an evolutionary biologist

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Can speculative evolution be used in fantasy? Bad pic but best I can find

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>>51594581
Sure, many fantasy writers have used it to explain dragons, and do a pretty good job at it.

>>51594581
I've used it in numerous ways, often in how wild magics can influence evolution, how different reptillians species can be traced to specific dragon / humanoid couplings, not all of which were specifically known, partly because research into some possibilities lead to race riots between goblins, kobolds and gnome, meanwhile kobolds themselves evolve to suit their ecology and thus run the gamut of "pre mammal" style kobolds, plumed raptor kobolds, hardened pangloon kobolds, and all sorts of lizard kobolds like geckos, frilled lizards, chameleons etc.

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>>51584528
>REEEEEE RE REEEEEEE REEE

>>51578027
>Freudian goldmine
Pop psych is the oldest meme

>>51584719
Let's be real. I bet most of /tg/ would be much like the Qu if given the chance. Creating bizarre organisms to play out whatever obscure fantasies they have, or just to see what would happen.

>>51598165
probably

>>51598165
The Qu are just spore players

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>>51594581
sure it can, I often do it for my fantasy settings(might go into more detail later)

and to give some content, an evolutionary tree a friend of mine developed for his Kaiju setting(notably he's put the concept into the Public Domain outside of certain specific characters he's created);

https://horrorflora.com/2016/11/15/atom-kaiju-file-bonus-a-guide-to-retrosaurs/

>>51598963
>The Qu are just spore players
I miss spore... but now it crashes after an hour or two of play.

>>51599597
That's a feature. It prevents you from getting to the later stages of the game.

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>>51599597
>Spore
Oh, what could've been.
https://youtu.be/OI3SWmwfYpU

>>51600011
>tfw they dumped down and casualized all potential outside of making goatse and shitting dicknipple aliens out of this game

>>51600011
It's been a decade. Are you still mad? Surely this game could be made today by some indie devs

>>51601214
With nice 8 bit graphics and early access that it'll never leave.

And it would still be better than the abomination that EA shat out.

>>51600011
>>51601122
>>51601214
>>51599597
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>>51598963
Anons, have I got something good for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bw1Cdqijw9c

http://revolutionarygamesstudio.com/

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>>51601267
I know, I'm excited. Just hope it can live up to the hype.

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>>51601267
I've been hurt before. And now you're gonna hurt me again, aren't you?

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Bump with a Dixon original.

>>51600011
I remember the first time I saw this video.
>>51601267
We can only hope.

Has anyone here gone about their own fully-scientific spec bio projects? I liked designing alien ecosystems when I was a kid (in middle school, mostly), but I mostly have fantasy projects atm.

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>>51602769
I'm trying something set around 80-120 million years in the future. Luckily, some Ruski (I think) is helping me out with the ecology and feasibility of certain forms from certain lineages, like this creature. It's meant to be the descendant of a cuttlefish that has taken on the niche of tuna after the demise of the pelagic fish around 25-50 myh.
Please excuse my shitty art, I primarily doodle.

>>51602919
Nice. If I could be a pedant, though, why cuttlefish? I'd think squid would have the bigger advantage in a pelagic environment, whereas cuttlefish are predominantly shallow-water animals.

Not that I don't like your design, just that I wonder if a squid or argonaut would be a better pick.

>>51603451
Squids have taken over the niches left by larger animals, like mantas, (possibly) larger sharks and cetaceans (odonto and mysti), while the medium-sized fish (tuna and the like) will be replaced by cuttlefish, and the smallest group (sardines, etc) will be replaced by nudibranchs. Octopi have a place in the coastal ecosystems, either as top predators or scavengers.

Never heard of argonauts before this point. May include them as a ammonite-mimic.

>>51603703
Argonauts are awesome.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1koU1li1n0

>>51603451
I think it's a Star Trek: Voyager reference.

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>>51603896
Never watched it, so I wouldn't know.

>>51563558

More from Man after Man please.

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>>51605606
no thank you, that book of bitter futures is nightmare fuel page after page.

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>>51605680
Honestly, I see it as more bleak. Rather than be repulsed by the strange forms depicted, I shudder when I remember what they came from. Plus, it ends on a semi-high note: man still lives

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>>51605724
Last one of the night. Hope to see y'all when the morning comes.

>>51569999
CUUUUTE!

>>51605711
For me it's nightmarish not for the creatures it depicts, but that man ultimately chose to that fate. There was no invading force of fetishy fleshshapers or vengeful gods or whatever, just man. One would hope that the powers step in if ever we set ourselves down a similar path.

>>51560689

You know, that bit with the Qu was aggravating and angsty but the tone of the book turns around after that.

>>51606889
Eh, I thought the machine wars was a bit much myself. But otherwise it was good, don't know why it freaks some people out.

>>51583878

Unless you are a Grabital or New Machine cybernetics wouldn't really fit the narrative.

Not unless cybernetics were important to people for thousands of years.

Reminder that the Qu were canonically removed.

>be Qu
>a billion years more experience than humanity
>see humanity go into the dark ages 2 separate times
>still get BTFO by humans
Qu are the most cucked race in all tomorrows

Qu did nothing wrong desu.

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>>51606242
Perhaps next time, it'll be different.

>>51576529
What convinced me that it's all fetish art is how all the monsters still had faces. We're meant to imagine becoming these things, with our sapience and dexterity melting away all the while. That tracks a LOT closer to horrible porn than to any sort of actual evolutionary biology - even birds barely resemble dinosaurs in that regard.

>>51607022
Mostly because of what the Qu did to the Colonials.

>>51609689
Well, most of the creatures had deformed faces, true, but that can be just as effective for a work of horror -- The Thing still had a human face a lot of the time.

>>51559726
Anyone got the books in the OP pic as PDF?

>>51610497
http://libgen.io/foreignfiction/index.php?s=dougal%20dixon&f_lang=0&f_columns=0&f_ext=0&f_group=1
I can't find a copy of the future is wild though, anyone else have it?

>>51611522
>I can't find a copy of the future is wild though, anyone else have it?

That's actually a Discovery Channel TV show.

>>51611592
>>51611603

These are amazing but really disgusting.

>>51611592
>>51611603
>>51611643
The fuck are those supposed to be?!

>>51611670
Type of mammal that has evolved to move on its nose.

>>51611522
>>51611546
You can watch the full series here
https://vimeopro.com/switchint/the-future-is-wild-documentary-series/video/79270386

>>51611546
Also a book and manga.

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>>51612252
And a cartoon.

>>51594581
In my game's setting, one the major races is the mutated decedents of elves and humans. World cataclysm isolated a small community on the outskirts of elven land, populated by humans. Starvation was so total that they started pica behaviors, much like they do in some West African communities. The dirt was heavily inundated with a mutagenic magical material. The material gave them basically feather fall, which allowed them to travel between some of the closest flying islands they were isolated to. It became a cultural thing even once they had more established food sources. Now, about a hundred generations later, that constant exposure is clear. Hallow bones, second set of shoulder and hip joints making them exceedingly bendable, powerful and compact musculature made for leaping, and a gizzard that filters out and collects the mutagenic material to harness it's power.

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>>51605685
Just found this.

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>>51616669
Apparently Kek wills it. Can Dixon be considered a prophet now?

>>51594581
Outside of tolkien I probably wouldn't say elves and orcs are closely related due to the major differences. I would probably have the main "families" be
>Humanoids
Humans, Halflings, and Dwarves
>Feylike
Elves and Gnomes
>Goblionoids
Goblins and their subspecies

Orcs could be a branch off of the goblinoid or humanoid families depending on how human they look.

>>51616669
Nice.

>>51594581
I love using speculative evolution in fantasy, especially when you can throw together things that would be familiar to your average tabletop player but with a few more "grounded" traits or things that reference their inspirations.

Unicorns being related to gracile whooly rhinos instead of horses.
What looks to be an owlbear is actually a raptor species that evolved a bearlike form.
Griffons descend from a Ceratopsian lineage.
A tarasque-like creature finds its ancestors among the Ankylosaurs, its destructive tendencies coming from it being as territorial as a half dozen hippos.
Rust monsters are crustaceans that formed a symbiotic relationship with mineral-eating bacteria.
etc.

>>51594581
I don't use actual evolution but I have "metarace" taxonomy for most settings. The proper term for my approach is probably phenetics (the main point is that the races need not be related in the biological sense). In practice the races are typically grouped together because they do originate from the same primordial races, but they may also come from another group through a similar transformation process (catfolk independently came from various felines), some are just similar for obscure reasons (most goblinoids may or may not be descended from some ur-goblin ancestor, there's a debate whether those that are proven to originate from other races would be considered true goblinoids in this case or if they should be lumped with their ancestors), and some are convergent evolution on crack ("reptavians" and "insectoids" exist on several worlds, further divided into subraces)

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>>51561760
Poor Poggles

>>51616861
>Pepe After Wojack
>Not "Meme after Memes"

>>51611751
The Rhinogrades, or "Snouters." You can find the book about them online easily, but 4chan flags this post as spam every time I try to include the link.

>>51611592
Optopteryx volitans (likely the most famous of the snouters)

>>51611603
Hopsorrhinus aureus

>>51611643
Nasobema lyricum

>>51568296
Yes. They will be glorious.

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Bump

>>51622248
My religious neighbor I knew back in high school had the book that is from. His parents told him to burn all his demon yu-gi-oh cards, so i asked him to give them to me instead. Good times.

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>>51622248
I can't tell if this is clever or fucking stupid?

>>51622644
It has a pretty good point, at least on that page. Bones only tell you so much, so most depictions of dinosaurs use a lot of guesswork.

>>51601267
It's taken them the better part of a decade to make a boring copy of cell stage which was already boring to begin with. It ain't happening.

>>51619226
>>51594581

For alot of fantasy, abit of those branches would have MAGIC written across it.

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>>51623710
That's why it's so confusing to know where I stand on that page, it's right but for all the wrong reasons.

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>tfw the weird and obscure speculative biology books you loved as a kid have become a source of memes
>tfw all tomorrow's memes
How did this happen? How long until more of these start leaking into normie memes like seasons greetings?

>>51624014
Well, that page in particular is right for the right reasons, though maybe it's not trying for the right reasons. What's it trying to say about the dinosaurs in the rest? It doesn't look to be denying that they exist.

>>51594581
Looking at this tree, it intuitively seems like systematists would have a tough time placing orcs. I bet they originally reconstructed a (Halfing + (Dwarf + Gnome)) branch and a (Human + Elf) branch, with orcs as an outgroup to the entire tree— orcs have a lot of physiologically distinctive characters and nobody really wanted to be closely related to them anyhow. Then another group of scholars constructed an alternative placement in the form of an (Orc + (Human + Elf)) branch, and everyone lost their shit, partially because nobody wanted to be related to orcs and partially because this topology implied that the most recent common ancestor of the entire clade might have had a diminutive size like a dwarf or a halfling. And then someone came up with the (Human + (Elf + Orc)) topology, and an eighty-year dispute involving occasional physical violence ensued. Nobody really knows what to make of the most recent revision, which grouped halflings with humans, elves, and orcs, but it's not that controversial.

Speaking of speculative evolution, what if an animal developed the ability to generate a laser? I imagine under the right circumstances it could be made possible, there are already proteins that produce fluorescence like GFP. A biological laser would be quite interesting in my opinion, what would the look like?

>>51626716
Or maybe they could be an old human experiment, who knows.

>>51626716
>sentenced to prism by alan dean foster

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Behold the true descendant of humanity, the true child of man that can uphold and claim the throne of old Terra!

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>>51627375
Nah, this is.

>>51627375
>>51627470
Anus fliers please go away.

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>>51627482
t. Butthurt Qu descendant

waht the fuck is qu >>51627375
>>51627470
what the fuck are those abortions ?

>>51627750
Space adapted human descendants that fly around in zero g by farting. Qu in the other hand are bunch of advanced aliens nomads with a taste for flesh manipulation.

>>51627807
Not to mention a bad case of interstellar manifest destiny.

Bumo

>>51631870
That sleepy baby rat is so cute

>>51632976
>Bitches be like "I'm all natural".

>>51627375
Why does he only have 4 toes?

>>51635314
probably the rest just fell off after they became vestigial

>>51560689
This is just so fucking disgusting. No wonder a turk did it

>>51627718
>read 7 as Nigtmarejew

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>>51632976
WHY PENIS

>>51636430
Embrace the fluff.

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>>51637636
You are like a little baby. Watch this.

Could anyone who has it post a pdf of Man After Man, or link it on /trash/ if it can't be posted here>

>>51637741

A website was mentioned in this thread. Right here, on this very thread.

>>51637678
That's great

>>51637784
What I get for not reading the thread.

>>51637678
Glorious.

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>>51637807
>>51637939
But wait, there's more!

>>51627718
The Homis is particularly interesting. The whole idea of a Qu altered into a superficially humanoid form.

>>51637678
Wouldn't it be fairly obvious that humans were intelligent when they found them with titanium hips and gold teeth? To say nothing of all the other shit we'd have buried in the ground, by then.

>>51635475
But the elongation of the toes seems to imply that they're becoming more not less useful.

>>51624360
I heard the Vacuumorphs are a huge meme in brazil

>>51566503
>>51567403
>>51567470
Where is this shit from?

>>51562534
>>51588906
I love these little dudes so much. I wish there was more. I would probably read a book or play a game about this.

>>51560689
I don't know why, but that one image of a bug-face embracing a machine is really striking to me. The concept of human idea of "love" transcending such a barrier is incredibly poetic.

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>>51638675
Greenworld, Dixon's latest book. It's meant to be an anthology, following a family of human settlers on an alien world (Greenworld); however, the people there exploit the land and cause a mass extinction. Unfortunately, its only been published in Japan.

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>>51638794
Which page is that one? I don't remember that image.

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>>51638952

I figure this might be as good a place as any to ask.

A long time ago I read some scifi novel where researchers/colonists explored a planet (possibly "Vulkan") that had three non-humanoid sentient species in competition. The first one was buoyant and floated in the clouds, during the mating season they dropped a sort of pheromone that sent everyone into an orgiastic frenzy. The second one was some sort of blind crab-like arthropod, I believe they made use of sound waves extensively and the young devoured their parents. The last one was something like naked mole rats but they weren't too detailed because they were deep underground and very hostile I believe.

It's a long shot but has anyone read it? I can't remember the title or author at all, but I was pretty impressed at how much empathy he had for those aliens.

>>51638189
Well, we've only relatively recently started doing that sort of thing to ourselves: Assuming humans go extinct fairly soon, it's not implausible that the hypothetical future race of paleontologists simply haven't found any examples of humans modified in this way.

What's rather more implausible is that they'd be so unfamiliar with the process of placental gestation as to assume that our young are parasites: Even assuming that only egg-laying species have survived to their hypothetical future, they really aught to have found plenty of fossil evidence of other gestating young in other placental species.

>>51560689
REMOVE QU
REMOVE QU

>>51641815
you'd think so, but ask yourself: how often is someone buried with child still inside the womb. Even with animals if they die other shit eats them and spreads the bones all around. If the future belongs to egglaying species they could occam's razor it to parasites simply because it's much more common. Or whatever razor. Gleeebrplax's hrwzmr

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>>51643179
If you're gonna bump at least post a pic to go with it.

>>51641815
But, wasn't the idea that humans had a mass extinction when they consumed too many resources? Those would be the fossils of future humans, would would probably have plenty of medical implants. Again, to say nothing of shit like bronze statues or pieces of stainless steel that will probably go for millions of years without breaking down.

>>51642357
In spite of the unlikelihood, the entry does state that they found fossils of pregnant mothers. If we're assuming that a fair amount of insects made it to this future, then there are plenty of viviparous insects that would allow them to put 2 and 2 together. Aphids, for example, give live birth.

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We need more space dinosaurs!

>>51643372
>the entry does state that they found fossils of pregnant mothers
it says only that they assume those were the females due to wider hip bone that would facilitate birth, not the means of reproduction

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>>51561760
Were they sentient? I thought they were just kinda smart, like a cat

>>51643733
Colonial, like ants more than anything.

>>51576529

Reminds me of this bit from a fantasy book, Scott Bakker's "Great Ordeal":

>The Emwama sickened him.

>Sorweel knew what they were, or at least what they were supposed to be: the Mannish servitors of the Nonmen — their slaves. But whatever they once were, they had long since ceased being Men. Deer-eyed and low-skulled. Stunted both in form — the tallest one scarcely reached his elbows — and intellect. They were clad as rustic slaves for the most part, though a few wore gowns that bespoke some kind of rank. Those travelling up the mountain bore astonishing loads, everything from wood to stacked rounds of bread. Short of breasts there was no way to distinguish the males from the females, save that a number of the latter carried sleeping infants in slings.

>From the outset, they crowded about the three travellers, great eyes wide and glistening, gaping like astounded children, and chattering in an insensible tongue, their grunting voices as deformed as their stature.

> It was the stink, more than anything, that sickened Sorweel’s gut, for it was human through and through, no different than the stink of Men: at times earthen and almost benign, at times tar-like with the musk of unwashed armpits. Had they smelled any other way, be it moulting snakes or unmucked stalls, he could have looked upon all their differences as features proper to their form, things belonging to a race distinct from his own. But their smell revealed them for what they were: inbred grotesqueries. Their eyes were bulbous, their spines crooked, their skulls simian. His horror, in no small measure, was the horror of the husband who is presented a deformed son.

> “Think of the difference between your cattle,” Serwa called to him at one point, “and the elk who rule the plain.” He understood what she meant, for there was something at once bovine and doughty about them: the animal hardiness of those bred to serve ruthless masters.

(Above quote is about a human tribe who were enslaved by a race of immortals, the "Elves" of this setting, and degenerated over time.)

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>>51638998
>love between flesh abomination and machine
Is this nigga serious?

>>51643526
Fucking Franks.

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>>51636430

Why not?

>>51638224
useful long toes doesn't mean that many short toes are still useful

>>51559726
>>51560689
Man I loved Man after Man.
It was a cool part of my childhood.

All Tomorrows seemed just like a cringey, dark for no raisen version.

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>>51648626
Same here, in regards to MaM.

I think some of the concepts in AT were pretty good, even if the story itself was rather meh-tier, especially the snake people and tool breeders.

>>51648626
>dark for no raisen
Considering it is set over millions of years, bad shit is going to happen.

>>51559746
>>51560689
spec evo is awesome, uness the author decides to try it on humans.
Then it turns into pasty, weird, deformed monstrosities.

>>51576529
Speaking of, how the fuck did those guys lose intelligence, while the "i live as a fucking waste filter on the floor" group didn't get their brains atrophied into making it impossible for them to be sentient ever again?

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>>51648867
Not always.

>>51619226
I'd personally do the old pig-faced orcs and have them have their own tree based of "uplifted" ursine family.

Also:
Seafaring Halflings? Gotta have little ecosystems for pygmytization right?

>>51648971
it says in the book that Colonists were actually ones that resisted the most so Qu decided to punish them by leaving their intelligence

>>51601267
>support for more linux versions
Yeah, great priorities they have there...

>>51648971
The colonials were deliberately designed by the Qu to retain their intelligence as punishment for defying them.

>>51649153
>>51649180
Makes you wonder if the Qu left them with taste-buds as well. You know; further punishment.

>>51648850
>bad shit is going to happen.
Iirc bad shit happens in MaM, but it isn't quite as dark or rapey.

It might just be that I'm more willing to accept the changes in Man after Man, because while they're strange and weird, the post-humans are still largely mammalian.

Other jumps are a bit too far fetched for me.

>>51646066
But surely many long toes are more useful than fewer long toes?

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>>51647610
This thing is just ripped straight out of resident evil.

>>51649463
But why would that be? It's not like people have six fingers although that might be useful.

>>51649886
The question is if he has 4 toes why does he have 5 fingers?
Theres a mismatch here.

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>>51650116
Shoes

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>>51649211
what about the man ticks, the giant blobs of fat and limb, the lumps of flesh for food, the lumps of flesh in robot suits fed drugs and any number of horiffic creatures?

>>51637678
>>51638004
Bolovan is an idiot! That segmented tube clearly contained the notochord; he has the whole creature upside-down!

>>51638612
I remember when I first read Man After Man; the Vacuumorphs were the post-human I most wanted to be.

Maybe it's because I'm claustrophobic & the infinite vastness of space is the most in-claustrophobic place imaginable.

>>51651470
*Un-claustrophobic, dammit!

>>51577759

Suffer not the xenos live

>>51576529
>>51577759

Maybe I'm just a sweet, innocent, summer child but All Tomorrows never came across as sexual to me. My impression of the Qu was just that thy were a plot device to explain how humanity got re-jiggered into lots of different forms.

>>51605680

I feel stupid but what book are you referring to ?

>>51652635
Presumably Man After Man, as that was the book mentioned in the post he was replying to.

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>>51652635
This one, m8.

>>51616861

>>Not "Man After Feels Good Man"

>>51653680

>anon with his waifus

That's actually a sweet picture, seriously.

>>51653718
>Leepa-tan and Stalka-tan
This needs to happen.

>>51650494
Ignoring the fact that picture is total horseshit, the spacers don't even wear shoes.

>>51654224

BRB, calling SHAFT right now

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>>51650494
Selection pressure doesn't care about whether your toes are squished.

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>>51655312

Should I make another thread after this one kicks it?

>>51643526
this artstyle seems incredibly familar

>>51656790
O'Neil, worked a lot with Pat Millis at 2000 AD.

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Bump

>>51657990
>Bump
>Replies: 305

>>51655448
I always think about that when they make projections for the future. Shouldn't all changes that happen be ones that makes you more successful at procreating (or live long enough to ensure procreation)? Like evolving a certain way might make you adapt to an environment more comfortably, but if that adaptation doesn't make you anymore successful at mating, then your genes won't win over the ones that lack your unique mutation.

>>51658091
Becoming more comfortable in an environment increases chances of survival in the long term. The very long term.

>>51656854
Requiem Chevalier Vampire is drawn by Ledroit, and is his only notable work.
Anon recognizes it because it gets posted often in any thread even tangentially related Paladins, Blackguards, Hell, or Metalness.

>>51658091
>then your genes won't win over the ones that lack your unique mutation.
Even worse, they'll probably be sexually selected against.

>>51644187
>Gravital women love Big Bugface Cock and there's nothing the cybercucks can do about it.

>>51638931
>>51638914
Sounds like The Green Book by Jill Paton Walsh. A kid's scifi book I remember reading as a kid.

>>51640955
No one?

>>51640955
>>51661483
The people underground and the crabs make me think of the time machine but I know that's probably not it.

>>51652605
As the first guy you're responding to, honestly, that's anybody's guess. I'm usually pretty much a dunce myself when it comes up to that kind of thing: when I read "The Sun Also Rises," it took me at least half the book before I realized that the protagonist was impotent. I only perceived the possible sexuality of All Tomorrows by comparing it to works I KNOW to be sick nasty transformation pornography, and pointing out the similarities.