What if I want knights but not medieval europe?

>>51556448
then they are not knights but fucking paladins or samurai or something else that was the knight for that specific time period and place.

You can stick heavily armored riders in pretty much any setting and have it work.

>>51556448
Then use knights in Renaissance

>>51556448
That's like wanting samurais but not medieval japan. Not to mention pretty vague.
Make a list of the things you like about knights, another for the things you dislike about medieval europe, then add elements to your setting accordingly.

>>51556448
Play with space marines clearly.

>>51556464
>then they are not knights but fucking paladins
Paladin is just an Early European knight though

>>51556448
Russia?

>>51556448

Clearly you've misunderstood the point of knights then.

>>51556535
can you finish the fucking sentence ???

>>51556448
Want do you want? A caste of warrior elites or heavy armored riders? Because of course you can have both without knights.

>>51556448
>What if I want guns but not industralization?

>>51556619
You had guns before industrialization.

I think knights exist nowadays? But they're all rich old people

>>51556704
The title is still around in some places. But the warrior caste and the heavily armoured lancers are both gone. But since OP's too stupid to specify, or just wallowing in shitposting, we can't tell what he wants or how to make it happen.

>>51556448
What if I want (You)s without effort?

>>51556704
>But they're all rich old people

They've always been that.
They just had to haul their oldest son into armor along with a few of their serfs to carry that shit around with him.

Detto for samurai, except those were also forced to give some training to the serfs to fight as ashigaru.

Dunno if any other cultures had a similar concept but guys like Chinese or Romans just made a modern paid army and left the rich people out of harms way.

>>51556604
though
(...)
adverb
1. however (indicating that a factor qualifies or imposes restrictions on what was said previously).
"I was hunting for work. Jobs were scarce though"

>>51556464

Fuck you, my knights are military commanders who command tank crews manned by retainers loyal to their houses.

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Why do you need a medieval setting to have knights?

Seriously, why? Is there actual logic there or are you acting like their primary thematic association is literally the only way you can make use of them?

>>51556964
Knights had to bring soldiers too in most places. 'Serfs' are not leaving the land for military campaigns either except in emergencies.

And Romans did not 'leave the rich out of harms way'. Like in most societies throughout history the officers were nobles/aristocrats and young men of that class were expected to be military officers before they entered politics.

>>51556448
What's a knight?
Usually it means an elite noble warrior.
And that's flexible, especially in fantastic/fantasy words.
Hirdmen, samurai, bogatyrs, frankish prototype of knights, look into the Ethiopian knighthood, play around with jaguar warriors, think what would Zulu have in warrior elite if euros didn't come,

>>51557045
>leave the rich out of harms way
They did. Veteran soldiers served under young rich brats whom they were expected to babysit and teach about war.

>>51556448
Like Samurai or Space Marines?

>>51557165
What you said implied they stayed at home. They were present on the battlefield as officers. It was a cultural expectation for them to be brave and many fought in combat.

And why do we always get people butthurt about the rich every single time this topic comes up?

>>51556448
Persian lancers
Byzantine cataphracts

>>51557250
>And why do we always get people butthurt about the rich every single time this topic comes up?
He's a socialist. Can't you smell it?

>>51557250
>What you said implied they stayed at home.
Nope, not a word about it. They served as officers in the camp and cavalry. Romans favored organized warfare over individual prowess a lot. Sending promising young men of noble families to death would be a waste.

Why are you so butthurt when people point out you're wrong?

>>51557284
Miss, try again

>>51557264
I came here to say this. Alternatively, Egyptian elite armored archers riding war chariots for the novelty's sake.

Hear me out

Atlantis

Magictech Setting
Deep underwater

Lets cook with gas

>>51557340
Or rajas riding war elephants

>>51557309
Their culture still recognised personal bravery.

Your post heavily implied they did not fight or that they were not even involved in the military. They were not even close to out of harms way by any sensible definition as they were present on the battlefield. And anybody who uses the phrase 'young rich brats' during this topic is butthurt or pushing a political agenda.

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Just let it take place in Africa.

>>51557377
>Your post heavily implied
It's not, Mr Implier. Learn to read and stop imagining things you want.

>>51556964
But in both those cultures, rich people just bought officers positions in the armies, and served in somewhat higher echelons than the poor fuckers who were pure frontline.
The Roman nobility was incredibly martial. As were the Victorian / Elizabethan englands, despite modernizing armies and making them more meritocratical.
Even in modern armies:
Higher officers require some level of intelligence and foresight --> The people who fill those positions have pretty alright schooling --> They are from the higher middle-class

While grunts are very often people for whom the military was an economic opportunity --> They're from the lower classes.

>>51557410
>They are from the higher middle-class
Maybe in USA which is Roman Republic 2.0

>>51556448
>what are clibinarii
>what are cataprachts
>what are equites exemplarii

>>51556448
Then you make knights in another setting. No need to thank me, I'm just creative like that.

>>51557430
Nope, fucking everywhere.
People of higher socioeconomic status outperform the lower classes in pretty much every field, including military. Better performance -> more ambition & better chance of promotion.

This is not controversial, it is just the harsh truth of demographics.
Even if the military is a perfect meritocracy, the affluent will still rise to the top, because they have been nurtured & raised far better.

>>51557517
Yeah, sure. Here is fresh (You) from me.

>>51557403
You won't get very far if you get angry at people because you wrote in a non clear fashion.

It is not sensible or rational to equate 'keeping the rich out of harms way' with the rich sending their sons to be military officers due to their cultural focus on public service.

>>51557539
Enjoy yourself, Mr. Implier >>51557527

>>51557517
On average. On average. That is important. I went to school with a kid from a billionaire family, and he's perfectly content using interest to pay the bills, playing videogames and smoking weed all day.

>>51556604
>>51556976


Fuckin' rekt m80

>>51557517

There's a reason for this, and it's not what you think it is.

Being affluent is an advantage in itself. Better food for development, better education and training, better equipment... Sure, some people squander it, but being born wealthy is a massive advantage in a huge number of ways.

This is where the idea of 'meritocracy' breaks down, since that assumes a more even playing field. The people who make it to the top have the power to ensure their families stay at the top, making it harder and harder for other people to actually work their way up due to their inherent disadvantages.

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>>51556448

>>51557548
I will totally concede that point. Not saying every CO was born with a silver spoon in his/her mouth.

>>51557555
>>51556976
Not him, but a sentence ends with a period.
Also, there should be a comma right before "though".

Seriously, guys, I'm not a native english speaker and even I know those rules.

>>51557527
>>51557547
If you are just going to shitpost and cannot even post proper responses why are you here?

>>51557566
People forget how important food is for your brain, especially when you're a baby. Breastfeeding your baby (which you can easily do if you're rich, or have a job that gives you a lot of free time after becoming a mother) will make a significant contribution to the intelligence of your child.

Formula milk isn't bad. But it's not good either. It lacks the electrolytes.

>>51557566
That is what he was saying.

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>>51556448
Who needs medieval Europe?

>>51557566
I meant; if the military, as an isolated structure, rewarded its employees purely based on performance, and we ignore all other factors that might cause rich people to rise to the top (like officers of affluent background identiying with, and promoting other people of affluet background, etc.), even then, we would probably still see the affluent rise to the top, because of their privileged upbringing simply leaving them with greater personal resources, health, intelligence, etc.

I didn't mean; "suppose all of society is an idealized utopia"

>>51557527
I still don't quite understand these new "burns" you kids are doing.

>>51556535
Paladins were never a real thing. Gygax came up with them because he wanted a variant of the Fighting Man specced into anti-undead, originally vampires, just like his clerics. The word comes from a fictionalized account of the 12 peers of Charlemagne's court. They aren't any kind of knight, because they were never real.

>>51557377
>anybody who uses the phrase 'young rich brats' during this topic is butthurt or pushing a political agenda.
Has the world seriously gone so far to hell that you can't hate on rich people anymore?

Fuck rich people, by the way. Kill the burgeoise.

>>51557603

OK, well as a native speaker, I can tell you adverbs do not require commas unless they are listed or have special emphasis.

There's nothing wrong with writing writing "The man progressed through the book slowly." and has a subtly different emphasis than "The man progressed through the book, slowly." The first is just a statement of fact, whereas the second stresses the slowness of his reading.

The reaction of the original response doesn't make sense if the error being called out was just missing the period, especially on an anonymous imageboard.

>>51557693
And before some sperglord calls out "writing writing" I have dyslexia, these things sometimes get missed.

>>51557686
I want to kill poor people who elect rich corrupt oligarchs too.

>>51557686
Well Anon might just make it big one day and be one of the rich people, so you better be nice and untax them.

If this thread falls into /pol/-territory, don't blame /pol/ this time.

>>51557730
>Well Anon might just make it big one day and be one of the rich people,

It is extremely unlikely to happen.

>>51557686
Assuming you aren't just trolling, no its not morally acceptable to hate people just because they have more money than you.

Only jealous people, political extremists and the mentally ill do that.

>>51557725
When I get in a deep dark misanthropic mood, I just laugh it off.

It's like watching someone pour gas all over themselves, and light themselves on fire, suddenly screaming about how it hurts and they want it to stop.

>>51557730
Was this childish strawman really necessary? Being this hateful is just pointless.

>>51557586

Monks aren't knights anon

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>>51556448
>What if I want knights but not medieval europe?
then you want glorious Culter Dei.

>>51557597
>>51557660
The implications that being an officer necessarily has to do with quality or real merit in modern militaries makes me think you've never been in one.

>>51557725
>I want to kill poor people who elect rich corrupt oligarchs too.
Only if we also kill the somewhat rich people who conspire to give us no choice but to vote for rich corrupt oligarchs.

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>>51561517
I think you're going to have an accident soon, maggot.

>>51556448
Technically the ancient romans had knights

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>>51557661
>fictionalized

>>51557793
>morally acceptable
And into trash it goes.

>>51556448
Do research on Sasanian Persia.

>>51556448
Join the Klan.

>>51556448
medieval Russia?
medieval Georgia?
medieval crusader Jerusalem?

>>51556464
paladins are knights of Charlemagne, they are why knights became popular.

Paladin is literally "friend of charles"

>>51557030
My favorite futuristic implementation of knights were those assholes in Aldnoah Zero who each ruled over a orbital castle and had their own overpowered relic mech that completely dominated the battlefield. On all levels except historical they were truly knights.
Too bad the anime itself sucked.

>>51562791
Forgot to mention that they died to some kid who found the chink in their armor or kicked up sand in their face or pushed them in the water. As I said, knights.

>>51556448
Kshatriyas. Go zooming around in chariots shooting motherfuckers with your bow.

>>51562714
>From French paladin, from Italian paladino, from Late Latin palatinus (“palace officer”), derived from palatium (“palace”). Doublet of palatine.
You'd think a word for "friend of Charles" would have "charles", "karl" or "karolus" in it.

>>51563170
It's Charlebro

>>51557430
You mean 3.0.
2.0 was the British Empire.

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>>51556448
Modern Knights?

And in a supers setting if you don't want to just play a literal knight dude who is also a superhero you can basically play a kamen rider.
Your transformation is your armour, your bike is your steed and you can have any special toyetic weapons you possibly want from simply a sword or a mace to a fancy transforming rod that can switch to the likes of a pollaxe for on foot and a lance for some super jousting while on your bike.

>>51556495
>Samurai
So... a warrior who uses a bow, a spear and a treasured sword at his side while wearing demonic looking armor, obsessed with personal glory and honor?

Not that hard.

>>51556619
Then you have early guns?

Or all those godlike fantasy smiths decided they wanted shootbangs so got together with some alchemists and created the legendary weapon known as the "Boomstick".
A man armed with one has the power of a king, a man armed with two has the power of a god.

>>51557661
no, it actually comes from ancient rome. it shares the same root as palace (comes from, guess what, palatin) and paladins were originally, iirc, praetorians.

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>>51563778
Fuck yeah

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>>51562714
>Paladin is literally "friend of charles"

>>51556448
Crusades.

>>51557650
This man speaks the truth.

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>>51563885
DEUS VULT!

>>51557165
Veterans got to stay at the back
Initial roman army was no-plebs-allowed

You're a fucking retard and should shut the fuck up about everything

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Fully armoured people are cooler looking than vain assholes running around without a helmet.

More heroes should wear their helmets.

>>51564067
>what is reformed army
Eat shit, loudmouthed idiot

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>>51556448

American and Canadian knights?

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>>51556448

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>>51564487
>American
>knight
Should be Man-at-Arms of the Republic. All men are created equal. To name one knight places him above others.Same with other noble titles.

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>what if I want ninjas but not Edo Japan?

>>51568519
'created equal' doesn't mean they have to stay that way, nor should it.
knighthood gives something to aspire to

>>51562714
No it is not, you stinking illiterate, it's a reference to the Palatine Hill in Rome. Where the Twelve Companions of Charles the Great swore an oath to defend their Emperor.

>>51568659
>ninjas
>not wizards

>>51557394
>>51557857

>>51557485
What are they?

Alternate options: Equestrians (roman republic to early empire), Asbar (Sassanid Persian military aristocracy, proto-feudal in nature and essentially copied by the greeks and the turks down the line), Kataphraktoi (byzantine, yes it's medieval but not western european).

A warrior caste assimilatable to some sort of aristocracy doesn't necessarily have to be from medieval europe to look like knights. They can still be full of themselves with the patronage of a tribal king instead of full landed rights.

Knights being upgraded from miles to nobiles was an ongoing process that only reached its terminal point during the crusades anyway (a title formerly reserved for incredibly old and/or powerful families, including the leftovers of roman senatorial aristocracy).

I see Greco-Roman equestrians and Samurai mentioned all the time but the Chinese were pretty good too with their half-feudal generals on horseback, they were quite chivalric (or satisfyingly villainous) in fiction.

>>51571928

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>>51572061
As with everything else, not enough popular media about it in English to stir much attention in the tabletop community.

Wuxia is about society outcasts in a mystical China setting, not military.

>>51557309
The Romans were fucking glory hounds with most of their awards being about individual acts of heroism. Centurions were expected to lead from the front, outside the ranks while commanders often challenged enemy leaders.

>>51571962
Kataphracts are not a social class however. Wasn't the Byzantine nobility called dynatoi?

>>51572487
Centurions rose from the ranks like NCOs (or french revolutionary officers). The only senatorial officers in a legion were the commanders and his staff tribunes.