Warhammer 40k general /40kg/

>>51555217
First for Eldar are now Imperium's bitches and their God plays second fiddle to a Primarch

Age of Roboute when ???

>>51555229
So if Eldar being rolled as Imp subfaction this mean all good xenos factions just gonna get converted to pseud-guardsmen now for the Space Marines?

Have there been any rules leaks for Yvraine yet?

>>51555255
inb4 farsight becomes new eldar leader with his special sword that contains a shard of the emperors power.
Also, khan is the next primarch, with imp having webway access, he'll be back soon.

>>51555255
They aren't, though.

>>51555255
No.
But if Eldar and Dark Eldar are in same Aeldari codex, then it means that there is literally no reason to take Dark Eldar, being the subpar units in the dex.

Whatcha working on fellas?
I have my Leviathan dreadnought about 60% assembled.

Why no new White dwarf in the mega Link??!?!

>>51555282
Isn't that some chick from that Eldar release? Who cares? Roboute's coming back

>>51555303
Dark Eldar confirmed squatted

>>51555283
New Eldar leader's Roboute dude, keep up

Now that Imps control Webway, Khan probably kills Vect and takesover the remaining Dark Eldar like in those fanfictions

>>51555255
Pretty much, yeah

>>51555318
Buy it you cheap fuck.

>>51555229
Wow, for real? Man I actually am starting to hate my own army. Can someone other than the fucking Space Marines matter for a change?

>>51555333
Trips confirm. Sadly.

I'm trying to build an alternative Tau list.

What non-Riptide/Stormsurge/Crisis Suit unit is best for taking down Infantry? Would a Bomber work? A Barracuda?

>>51555348
Hahahaha sure i buy gws overprized Magazines they should give them out for free

>>51555317
Im slowly working my way through painting Cawl tonight. I am aping the GW colour scheme because I cbf coming up with a original palette for him.

>>51555389
White Dwarf is great, Anon. Battle reports, lore articles, conversion and painting guides, news and all kinds of shit, it's over a 100 pages.

It's in no way overpriced.

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>>51555389

yeah nah, thats not how that works

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>Commorragh is destroyed

Fuck that and fuck GW. Guess Gangs of Commorragh really was just about getting rid of some models that weren't otherwise selling well.

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Nth for Chaos!

>>51555546
Don't worry anon, the destruction of all eldarkind has made way for out Spiritual Liege

>>51555546
It is not destroyed, Anon.

Just damaged.

>>51555556
>one off

Tzeentch fucked you again.

>>51555577
>Daemon infested
>Open hole to Warp
S-sure

>>51555546
The City is besieged by daemons. Basically it's another Tuesday for the Dark Eldar.

So, did we learn why Gabriel Angelos can jump in terminator armor?
Aside from being more machine than man.

>>51555602
Bullshit. You clearly haven't read the Dark Eldar codex if you don't know how serious Khaine's Gate is

What are some quick changes that can be made to GWs kill team to make retarded shit more balanced?

Grenades are an easy fix by making them one use only. I was thinking about also adding a Grenadier specialist that gets unlimited.

Hordes are harder, and I think the easiest way to do it would be to give all models reaping volley. Maybe use a Ld test and you get a target for each shot, but you have to chose the closest enemy model or something.

>inb4 HoR

I'm using it as a stepping stone to get new players, and I don't want to have to teach them HoR rules, then reteach them 40k rules.

>>51555609
pff, barely an average monday

>>51555333
to date, squats are literally the only race in the game to have ever been 'squatted'.

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>>51555635
zoats.
beastman auxiliaries for the most part
Those shark people
the 5th chaos god, and every one passed that.
those cyber spider things.
untold legions of rogue trader weirdness.

>>51555635
Zoa-

>>51555652
Beat me to it.

For adding to the first post
> 40k reference in wiki format
https://sites.google.com/site/wh40000rules/

>>51555652
>beastman auxiliaries for the most part

They'll be back. Pestigors soon.

Allegedly, the iTunes preview of the Fracture of Biel-Tann has all of the rules data in it. Fucking Apple bullshit makes it so only iFaggots can download and view it though.

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>>51555666
>They'll be back. Pestigors soon.
I meant for the imperuim

>>51555681
Oh. Well those are all classed as mutants now and get killed.

>>51555665
This is fucking awesome. Good find anon

>>51555686
thus my point but it isn't a big deal.
very small niche that wants good ab-humans

>>51555556
>tfw no amazing rules for 40k TS
>tfw no 80 AP3 ID I7 attacks on 10man squad
>tfw no plasma rerolling to hit and wound Ignoring Scouts
>tfw no 4++ 2w termies for 35pts

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>>51555673
Here's some stuff.

>>51555673
Who cares? Its Eldar shit

>>51555688
I know the guy who maintains it

>>51555317
Going to play apoc game in march. Many such models to paint. Sad!

>>51555713
Why would anyone trust Eldard? He's fucked up evey plan he's ever made. If Eldar knew what was good for them they'd give Eldard to their enemies

>>51555713
GW still claiming Eldrad is a 'great seer' lol

>>51555713
>Though they long ago learned how to stave off the vile attention of She Who Thirsts – known as Slaanesh in the tongues of men – the Time of Ending yet tightens its grip on the Eldar. No matter the methods they use to escape the notice of the god who haunts them, the Eldar sacrifice much in the process.

>Time of Ending
>Ending
>Time
>End Times

You lied to me, /tg/. You said this is no ending.

>>51555755
It's been Time of Ending since 5th edition, Anon.

>>51555713
Is that from the regular Tablet preview? Because apparently the iTunes preview(different) has the entire glossary.

>>51555716
Perhaps it is less broken Eldar shit. Not counting on it.

>>51555789
Unless it goes back and alters the craftworld codex, it's more likely to make them better.

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Girlyman looks like legitimate garbage

>tacky flaming sword and braziers
>Next to zero roman/greek aesthetics (what the ultramarines are known for)
>Random Chaos swirls on clutttering the armour

seriously you could paint him gold and he would not look out of place in a sigmarine army

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>>51555863
Paint it gold eh?

>>51555789
Who cares? Eldar shit is Eldar shit, nobody likes any of it

>>51555897
I do.

>>51555863
Helmet makes it look so much better.

>>51555897
Say what you want about their rules, but their models look pretty sweet. I wish GW would unfuck their rules so I would actually want to buy them.

>>51555217
how shit are looted wagons with kill kannons?

they seem better than those worthless trukks to me.

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Night lord anon who was talking with someone last thread about running them rhinoless, here. I put together a list. The termies are pretty suboptimal, but I like them. I might switch the orb on the sorcerer for a plate and stick him with the termies.

>>51555913
They look like shit and your shit for liking them eldar shits least they're all dying at last

>>51555546
It's made of countless bubble realms. So even losing a large portion wouldn't destroy it. They could just seal of the bad areas gnomeregan style

>>51555713
>the new dark city
cool

>>51555929
Nope. I own one Eldar model and that is the extra Eldrad that came with Death Masque. Skitarii and Space Marines (of several different flavors) for me.

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http://outermode.com/warhammer-40k-queer-darkness-fetish-first-millennium

>>51555940
CRUCIBAEL

Is there a ballpark of how many total humans are alive in 40k? What's the Imperium's population?

>>51556007
mimimimimimi

>>51556034
>Is there a ballpark of how many total humans are alive in 40k?
they can't even count the amount of people in a single hive city, and you think the imperium has a reliable census of its entire population?

>>51556034
41 trillion, or 1.5 Quintillion.

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>>51555217
How much bling should a 1st Captain have?

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>>51556007
>I CLICKED ONTO AN ARTICLE THAT WILL CERTAINLY ENRAGE ME BEYOND BELIVE
>I'M SO MAD WHY DID THIS HAPPEN TO ME

>>51556050
I'm not asking what Terra's census bureau thinks it knows, I'm asking if GW has put out a number.

>>51556054
That's a pretty big difference. Unless I'm retarded, 41 trillion is only about 5000 modern real-life Earths, and we don't even have hive cities and an overwhelming majority of our planet isn't developed.

>>51556058
Somewhere between a veteran and the returned rowboat.

>>51556092
Just a quick calculation. This probably isn't very accurate but its ment to show you the cast scale of the imperium and its population.... I took these stats from the Dark heresy RPG to kinda get the numbers on the worlds... These are all estimates... Anyway here we go.

20% Deathworlds & Feral worlds = 200 000
200 000 (worlds) x 10 000 000 (pop) = 2 000 000 000 000.

2 trillion people live on Deathworlds. Approximately.

An average hive world will have a population above that, and we can presume that around 35% of the Imperiums liveable planets are hiveworlds.

so... 350 000 x 3 000 000 000 000 = 1 050 000 000 000 000 000

Just over 1 Quintillion people live on Hiveworlds. Again this is a really approximate number.

And we are bit over half way

The remaining 55% are all thrown into the "Imperial Worlds" class. Anything from a shrine world to an agri-world or perhaps a death world. Maybe even a paradise world! Who knows. Anyway I figure the average here probably is in the tens of billions. So im going to go with.... Say... 75 billion. Seems like a reasonable number.

550 000 x 75 000 000 000 = 41 250 000 000 000

So around 41 trillion people live on Imperial worlds. This number was really difficult to get an average on so...

That puts the total population around 1.5 Quintillion souls. Thats alot of people!


Again, this was all guess work and I think my numbers were quite low but there you go..

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>>51556098
And those levels are?

>>51556092
>>51556100

Yeah I misread this, it's 1.5 Quintillion. The Imperial Worlds threw me. It's a class of worlds not all Imperial worlds.

>>51556007
Whatever, ignore it like peta.

>>51556007
A lot of what defines queer culture and fetish culture came out of the same counterculture movement that spawned 40k and 2000AD. That there's parallels isn't surprising.

>>51556100
The Emperor sure is a rich man.

>>51556092
>I'm asking if GW has put out a number.
they haven't

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>>51556007
UGHHHHRRRRRRRRGGHHH

>>51555863
Braziers are on base, you imbecile, and similar filigree was on dozens of SM models so far. It's also very Roman in style, in fact, are you blind or stupid?

Sword too, belonged to his daddy and looks exactly like it did on all artwork so far. Being so new you don't even know the most iconic picture of the whole setting, noob?

He could use some pteruges, yes, but I do like practical, streamlined shape, no stupid capes or helmet toppings, he looks perfectly fine, especially helmet version.

>>51555605
Because it looks cool in a trailor. Also planet confirmed for low gravity.

>>51556100
1.5 quintillion sounds better, thank you.

>>51556034
Roughly one million worlds in the Imperium.
About 1% of them hive worlds.
Typical hive world population seems to be somewhere in the double-digit billions.
So maybe 500,000,000,000,000 living on hive worlds.
Another few percentage points of highly populated civilised worlds, forge worlds, etc. with populations in the single-digit billions.
Maybe 250,000,000,000,000 more on those worlds.
Majority of the worlds are under-developed, ranging from bronze-age to industrial-revolution population levels.
Say another 250,000,000,000,000 living on those.

At a very, very rough estimate, 1,000,000,000,000,000 humans in the Imperium.

No idea on humans outside the Imperium, but probably insignificant numbers in comparison.

Other races:

Several trillion necrons.
Hundreds of billions of tau.
A few billion aeldari.
Couple of million space marines.
Absolutely masses of orks and tyranids.

Please tell me the setting isn't getting Smegmared

I've seen shit that suggests eldar are uniting, then uniting with imperials, and Rowboat coming back to turn the Imperium full tolerant golden age,tell me this isn't happening

I can't wait to read in detail about Guilliman's awakening. The conversation with Calgar is gonna be amazing.

>>51556173
Nope, not getting deleted. Just rules streamlining.

>>51555926
That was me.
They should be fine without a rhino, I am guessing sorc with marines, or are you not deep striking the termies?
Have you considered dropping down to 5 havoks, or having 2 squads of 5 at least?
If you drop the sorc and down to 5 havoks can you afford a decent demon prince instead?
Also drop the auto cannon on the normal CSM, not relentless.

The powers. Looks pretty sweet!

Revenant discipline

Primaris: Spirit Hook (WC1)

focused wichfire; 18". if psyker LD > target LD = target suffer a S6 hit. if not, a S3 hit. No armour/cover saves allowed. no effect on veicles

1. Shield of Ynnead (WC1)

blessing that target the psyker. all friendly units within 7" of him get a 6++

2. Storm of Whispers (WC1)

nova; 9" S3 AP2 Assault 2D6, Pinning, Ignore covers

3. Word of the Phoenix (WC2)

(no type), target a friendly unit with the strength from deadh special rules within 24": they can make a soulburst action immediately

4. Ancestor's Grace (WC2)

blessing, 14", only friendly non-veichle unit. target add 1 to WS / BS / I / A / Ld and gain Adamantium Will while the power is in effect

5. Unbind Souls (WC2)

wichfire; 12" S4 AP- Assault X, Soulreap
X = number of models in the target unit
Soulreap = if you kill any models in the target unit, one friendly unit with the strength from death rules within 7" of the target can make a soulburst action


6. Gaze of Ynnead (WC3)


wichfire; 12" S10 AP1 Assault 1, Ignore cover, Inescapable (no invul save allowed) !


NEW YNNARI PSYKER POWERS

>>51556109
Vets: Loincloths, raised armour trim in metallic colours, fancier looking equipment.

Guilliman: just look up in the thread.

It's your dudes though so they can be as blinged or operator as you want. They might be more serious tier like Ravenguard or Raptors instead of "MY PAULDRONS ARE EAGLES" tier like say, Marneus Calgar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhgS_5r7drI

>>51556183
I don't think they would go as far as deleting it, what I'm afraid of is it turning super-faggy that it's unrecognizable(this is what I meant by sigmared, to be more explicit,maybe not the best descriptor)

>>51556241
Age of Sigmar is good. Dunno what you mean.

>>51556223
meh

>>51556223
>>51556255

A Soulburst action is one of: move, shoot (or run or turbo boost) or charge. You choose which one and you can do that even if you have already done it in the turn

>for macragge
>Tfw the ultramarines are gonna mary sue their way through storm 3

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>>51556235
>Vets: Loincloths, raised armour trim in metallic colours, fancier looking equipment.
That I can do.
>"MY PAULDRONS ARE EAGLES" tier like say, Marneus Calgar.
I don't want to go that tier.

>>51555217
Is there any reason for Deathwatch and Grey Knights to not use Cataphractii Terminator Armor?

>>51556263
http://imgur.com/a/dbR41

WHO WANTS LEAKS

FRESH FROM DAKKA

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>>51556250
>Age of Sigmar is good
???

>>51556263
This is why i have magic. 2 of 7 spells is op, everything other is shit.

>>51556299
hate*

>>51556281
>All Ynnari have feel no pain, if they already have feel no pain, they have an extra down to max of 3++

>>51556223
All sound shit except the gaze.
I don't like that more and more weapons and attacks are ignoring invulnerable saves.

>>51556007
Why would anyone be mad at this article? It's a nice analysis of sexuality, such as it is, in the 41st millenium. Hell it even offers an out-of-universe explanation as to why all Space Marines are male.

>>51556281
Reminder that Orks should be grateful they're S3 and have Trukks.

>>51556323
I dunno man, an extra movement, charge or shooting a turn is pretty good.

>>51556281
If all the Triumvirate of Ynnead are fielded, the whole army gains Fearless until one of them is killed.

Cool.

>>51556328
Remember where you are.

>>51556212

>They should be fine without a rhino, I am guessing sorc with marines, or are you not deep striking the termies?

I wasn't planning on deep striking them. Without any sort of beacon, 5 termies are hard to touch down. The sorc was likely going to go here. Not sure where to roll the powers, though. I like ectomancy for the potential tricks, but Telepathy is nice, too, especially when I'm not locked into a mark.

>Have you considered dropping down to 5 havoks, or having 2 squads of 5 at least?
I don't have the ACs, or I would. I figured the padding couldn't hurt.

>If you drop the sorc and down to 5 havoks can you afford a decent demon prince instead?
Not really. A Prince is going to be 160pts with no upgrades, another 90 for the mastery and familiar, 40 for the wings, and 20 for the relic, which is 310. That's a lot for 1000pts.

>Also drop the auto cannon on the normal CSM, not relentless.
They're objective campers meant to sit tight with a 3+ cover save. I could double up on plasma and stick the sorc here I guess.

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So you know when Age of Sigmar happened and smart people said that 40k would be next and everyone raged back that GW would never do that to their most popular IP.

How you guys feeling about the death of your game ?

>>51556392
Still not happening.

>>51556392
My feelings for this scenario is like a Warhammer Fantasy player...they don't exist.

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Did he loved her in that autistic Astartes way?

>>51556412
He loved Kharn.

>>51556392
Fuck off. People asked to continue 40k story for years, and now you get what you wanted and you are screeching like tards.

>>51556392
The denial is going to be strong.

>>51556223

The gaze is kinda cool but at the same time it still allows for Deny the Witch and is only a single shot so some factions (Looking at you SOB) are going to not really give too many shits about it.

>>51555229

>People actually think Girlyman matters on any scale

A primarch barely matters. Gorillaman was only one of the more useful ones due to his logistics, which he can hardly apply to a bureaucracy that's been going down to the shitter for ten thousand years. He won't even know what he's looking at. Meanwhile, Eldar can reincarnate again.

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>>51556412
I-is it you, brah?

>>51556323

I'm kinda ok with it on a psychic power as those still allow deny the witch.

I'll be kinda pissed the first time I see it on a weapon with blast capabilities or more than a single shot a turn. I mean, the Vindicare has had it for ages.

>>51556437
>Continue Story
>write it so shitty that everyone want to forget about newest realises.

>>51556275
The examples you've been posting in the thread look about right then! I'd include maybe an iron halo or back banner to give them a bit more height but the terminator armour might be enough.

>>51555357

Who cares? He has the personality of cardboard and we've been force fed primarch dreck for how many books now? I'm more interested in something that's actually new and builds off of years of foreshadowing.

Ghazghkull vs Rowboat arm wrestle when?

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>>51556556
The generator does not have Iron Halos or banners for termies yet. It really needs work on the dreadnought, land raider, Rhino, and bike parts though.

>>51556547
You're in a very small minority.

Commoragh is kill.

Crucibael is now. New Dark City.

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>>51556007
I like it. It's a good analysis of sexuality in 40k, though the writer leans a bit too heavily into a political ramble and "we can make Space Marines gay so we should make Space Marines gay".

>>51555546
So that's why i've been getting free Deldar models with my orders!

It's happened two times, one succubus and one archon.

I haven't asked GW why, but they maybe want to get rid of the shit.

>>51556634
Anon. Commoragh is destroyed, but Crucibael replaces it. All the old models still exist.

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Here's an edit of some OC I made for /hhg/ but I'm willing to share it with you guys.

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I wished we had this dude in the 3rd Triumvirate instead of the obviously-not-filler Grey Knight Dude.

http://imgur.com/a/dbR41

>>51556660
Anon. >>51556281

>>51556653

Yeah I mean, whilst I don't like Grey Knights, I'd have happily accepted if the third triumvirate guy was at least whoever is standing in as faction leader whilst Draigo is galavanting through the warp.

This guy is just some third company loser though.

>>51556637
So Commoragh is legit gone? The largest Eldar domain withn the Webway...annihilated...

>>51556637
Oh ok.

So GW was just nice towards me?

I dont think it's a mixup at pakaging because it's happened twice and with models from the same factions.

Has anyone else got more than they ordered?

>>51556487
Eldar can't reincarnate again. They can be used as juice for crappy Soulburst actions. That's all. The Eldar still can't reincarnate.

And yeah the Primarch matters, did you see the WD? Roboute's going to be the only person who wins anything, alone turning back Chaos and saving the galaxy.

Meanwhile Ynnead's only accomplishments are killing Bieltan and Commoragh

are vespid stingwings decent? theyre stupid expensive models ($72 ausbucks for 5 models compared to like 80 for 13 models in the fire warrior squad)

theyve got pretty decent guns (s5ap3 or something) and have all the typical winged model special rules like fleet, hit and run and move through cover.

plus theyre toughness 4 and have a 4+ armor save

>>51556699

>The Eldar still can't reincarnate.

You must have missed the white dward fluff dump. That's exactly what the exhumed are.

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I just started playing recently and I have two quick questions if someone could help me. They are about the arco-flagellants in the 6th edition SoB and Inquisition books.

So both books have an arco-flagellant in them. The statlines are the same, except the SoB one has 3 attacks and the inquisition one has 4. SoB one's weapon is listed as "Two arco-flails" while the inquisition one is listed as just "Arco-flails". These are for all intents and purposes exactly the same, correct? One being two one handed weapons resulting in 3+1 attacks and the other being a two handed weapon with just a base 4.

Second question. Arco-flagellants, in the lore, are mentally reconditioned and drug fueled berserk flesh machines who literally have an on and off switch that flips between totally berserk and totally calm. I lost half of a squad of one to grenades after they dropped off a valkyrie, and had to take a leadership test. I noticed the only special rule they have in either book is Feel No Pain. I failed the test, and they began running away from the enemy. Am I missing something or is that just how it is? Is this a side effect of them being in mixed units even if you don't use them that way?

also was the 6th ed SoB book really released in 2013 because I bought models years before that and never got to use them. Holy fuck that was over five years ago.

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>>51556686
All I know is that Khaine's gate went kaboom, and there's mention of Crucibael, a new dark city.

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Abaddon's going to get a primarch-sized model update, right? 40k's premier melee beatstick character isn't going to get completely left in the dust by the coming hellscape of monstrous creature sized characters and epic plot advancement, right? Please? At least give us a new plastic model. This thing is absolutely miniscule and hideous in relation to new plastic SC's and terminators.

>>51556713
He's getting killed, Anon.

>>51556713
He's going to be killed, lol/.

>>51556707
WD itself says its an imperfect and incomplete bastardization, a far cry from the cycle of rebirth. Eldar have not yet returned to the cycle.

And look at what the Exhumed have achieved; nothing. The Exhumed don't beat a single significant opponent.

Roboute on the other hand is going to turn back the entire tide of Chaos and their momentum they just gained. How's that for a comparison? Ynnead achieves literally no victories, Roboute beats Chaos on his own

>>51556709
Why can Dark Eldar never have nice things in Fluff?

>>51556726
>And look at what the Exhumed have achieved; nothing. The Exhumed don't beat a single significant opponent.

Because they've only existed for a fucking month at most in fluff.

>>51556726

>And look at what the Exhumed have achieved; nothing.

The book isn't even out yet you massive twat.

>>51556738
Roboute comes back in one book and beats the assault on Macragge, Kairos and Abaddon.

Celestine came back in one book and wounded Abaddon. The Phalanx came back in one book and destroyed a Blackstone Fortress.

But no, of course, it would make no sense for Ynnead, an actual God, to have any sort of meaningful power to challenge Chaos with

what is the most degenerate, foul, awful xenos in the universe?

brainstorming ideas for something

>>51556709
God, those pictures look so fucking ugly and cheap.

>>51556748
Anon, Ynnari show up an wreck a bunch of chaos.

They even invade a Croneworld. The book isn't out yet.

>>51556742
To be fair we've seen the WD for March and its 'summary' of both books and it is true they don't list the Ynnari as achieving anything important other than meeting up with the Imperium on Klasius.

Whatever victories they do have clearly aren't even worth mentioning, like the destruction of the Blackstone Fortress or Guilliman's 'hope in the darkness' thing

>>51556709
Anon, the Crucibael is one of the big Wych arenas in Commoragh

>>51556750
Humanaty.

I just discovered that the armored battle group is DISTRACTION CARNIFEX: the list

>big meanie tanks
>a forgeworld list
>a fuckton of upgrades with fancy and scary names (artificer hull, specialist shell etc)

So far i wont two games because the other guy was thinking that my vanquisher was some kind of deathstar and focused for the whole game on destroying an entrenched tank while the infantry took the objectives.

>>51556761
Fine, still new Dark City. Name unknown.

>>51556758
What Chaos do they wreck? Far as I can see they lose to Chaos in Commoragh and are forced to flee, lose to Chaos at Biel-tan and then they have a small skirmish on Belial IV against some Word Bearers (it isn't even a Chaos Controlled planet according to the file on it in FoC)

They don't invade it, they just raid it looking for the swords.

>>51556748
>beats the assault on Macragge, Kairos and Abaddon.

Where did you get that?

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Absolutly loyal

>>51556748

>Celestine came back in one book and punked Abbadon and his forces multiple times.

That girl really gets her mileage out of visions of the future/holy beacon status.

>>51556281
Holy fucking shit. They made Eldar _BETTER_???? Holy fuck.

>>51556771
The book isn't even out yet, explain your detailed knowledge.

All we know is 20 lines of text from WD.

>>51556772
Because we know he won't lose on Macragge?

And we know he has an engagement against Kairos on his vessel before he reaches Terra and I will beat you actual money that there is no way Guilliman will lose to Kairos before he gets to Terra for the final act.

Beating Abaddon I'm less certain of but considering the author's made clear this books meant to be inspiring and the strong rumour Cypher kills Abaddon is circling, I'm still confident of it.

>>51556779
What's your point? Ynnead is an actual God and Eldar are 'supposed' to be the best Seers in existence.

Again Ynnead is an actual Warp God who achieves nothing whereas a mortal Primarch apparently singlehandidly tips things back in favour of the good guys

>>51556793

>singlehandidly

You kinda missed the part where Cadia fucking ravaged Abbadon's forces, didn't you? He lost utterly irreplaceable things there.

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>>51556701
Obligatory meme image aside, they are pretty good but exist in a niche. Their guns are good but they need to be supported by markerlights to buff BS and strip cover. If you're against horde armies with little/no 3+ armour then they're most likely wasted. Despite their high initiative and decent durability, you will still have to choose your melees very carefully.

But they ARE functional. Part of the joy of using them is surprising your opponent with this unit that they've never seen played before.

>>51556750
Tau, Slaugh, Tau, and the Tau again.

>>51556785
The WD stats 'it takes the destruction of Biel-tan and the loss of most of its population' we also know that Khaine's Gate opens and, according to latest leaks, there is a 'New' Dark Cirty.

In addition we've seent he March WD's summary of Foc and FoB and it mentions not a single Ynnari victory. In addition the WD already explicitly in the timeline describes Yvrainne's attack on Belial IV as only partly successful.

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>>51556807
>that image

>>51556806
Uh no it makes very clear in FoC that the vast bulk of his fleet is still a-okay and in fighting shape and he in no way considers himself hugely disadvantaged compared to the gains he's made of late.

Besides I find your sentiment just kinda laughable, you really think GW is gonna say Guilliman is literal hope in the darkness but then retcon it so that in the book Abaddon just doesn't attack cause he's still hurt after Cadia?

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>>51555217
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>>51556699

i bet that slaanesh will also show up in full force along with failbaddon, only to ynead bless cypher's gun and kill both

Slannesh was always a incompetent and egotistic fucker, show up on the imperial palace to kill the emprah and devour his soul is one of the thing that she would love to do.

>>51556833

He lost a Blackstone Fortress and his second in command at Cadia. He didn't exactly take it without some serious losses.

A blackstone fortress being destroyed is major enough it could be the basis of an entire campaign.

>>51556759

The book literally establishes their very existence. The big outcome is them existing. You want them to destroy Blackstone Fortresses in the same breath they are introduced?

>>51556807
would you rather that

or 1 artillery shell

t. guard player

>>51556807
assault 1 str 5 ap 3
Yeah, pure rape, how can sm recover, charge and me and see what happens

>>51555915
They're OK if you want to spam AV11 non-tanks with 24" Ordnance guns.

Just ensure that none of your mine goes to Ork line & rewards GW for keeping Cruddace on to fuck up 2 factions into unplayability.

>>51556845
Urkanthos is a Daemon Prince. And Abaddon makes clear he doesn't even care about his loss.

Same for the Blackstone Fortress. Abaddon makes very clear in FoC that he really doesn't give much of a shit that its blown up and he in no way considers it fatal to his plans.

>>51556787

So you're getting it out your ass. Got it. Can't wait for Guilliman to get beaten up by generic marines. Again.

>>51556713
Don't worry anon. I'm pissed that GW isn't making a plastic abaddon too.

>>51556850
Why not? Guilliman's gonna save the whole galaxy in the book he's introduced back in?

Besides Ynnead's been building for years, I do think it'd be nice for Ynnead to actually be able to win something meaningful after it finally fucking arrives, instead of just spending its time bringing back Primarchs

>>51556862

That doesn't make it not important just because Abbadon is a psycho who doesn't care. A blackstone fotress is a literally irreplaceable thing and some of the most valuable stations in the entire setting.

>>51556882
Well I'm sorry anon but in GW's opinion it doesn't really matter

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>>51556871

>Why not? Guilliman's gonna save the whole galaxy in the book he's introduced back in?
>Implying Guilliman is a new introduction
>Implying Guilliman is even useful

Even if one of the worst combat primarchs manages to beat a daemon primarch, the daemon primarch will just respawn and murder him. Guilliman changes absolutely nothing about the Imperium's losing state.

>>51556895

Ok, provide a quote to back that up. As FoC was kinda heavy on the fact that literally everyone got fucked up, including Abbadon and his forces.

>>51555652
Most of that was rogue trader and none of it was a whole faction.

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>legendary hero wakes up
>Cypher (Cipher) involved

You feel it too, don't you?

>>51555665
Noted. I wonder how long it will last, though.

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>>51555217
>>51555229
>>51555255
>>51555572
>>51555716
>>51555897
>>51555929

>This thread

>>51556898
Your really not reading anything are you?

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Is it only me who finds the new eldar and the new primarch cool?

>>51556927
>Creed lost his arm to Abaddon
>want to make Punished Snake proxy for future Creed release
>already have Big Boss Marbo
Should i make another Snake?

>>51556905
Second page of the 'In the Teeth of the Storm' chapter. There is the fluff blurb concerning Abaddon and how he is celebrating and in no way feeling his plans have been jeopardized. In fact he is looking forward to now finally getting to tred the Red Path and wonders to himself whether he'll get to Terra before the Warp tears the entire galaxy in half

>>51555368
With all these primarchs and saints and gods running around, Riptides are the least of anyone's problems.

>>51556972
I do too.

>>51556972
Primarch yes, Eldar no, Eldar are shit

>>51556882
Abaddon just needed to destroy Cadia, and nothing else.


The Eye will do the rest of work for him as it is unleashed from its Pylonic shackles.

>>51556685
Its' weird though because Stern and Draigo are both from the 3rd and Valdar Aurikon was the current GM of the 3rd. Meaning he died and somehow Stern wasn't the GK for the job?

Anyone familiar with the Chaos Contemptor from IA13? I want to try one with dual butcher canons, but the FW cannon doesn't look like it would work on a dread. Since its described as a rotary cannon, would I be able to use assault canons as a counts as? Maybe I can stick a axe of sorts on the end, too.

>>51555713
Oh hey, looks like somebody found that missing cat.

>people whinging about new Elder even though its Jes's stuff
>people whinging about a Primarch even though he looks cool.

>>51557005
That's fine

>>51557018
>Thinking Eldar stuff isn't shit
Get out

>>51556777
fug

>>51556972
Yvraine - cool
Yncarne - shit
Visarch - okey
Sypher - cool
Guilliman with helmet - okey
Guilliman without helmet - shit
Voldus - regular grey knight

>>51557033
>Yvraine-cool
Ew

>>51556783
Yeah, this kinda makes me want to sell off the last of my Orks and call "Fuck it."

Letting Crud shit on the fluff with terrible sub-amateur crunch should get someone in Nottingham punched in the dick.

>>51557047
She is hot as hell!

>>51557023

Oh boy. Time to snag some Calth assault cannons and murderate with my right S8 autocannon shots

>>51557058
>Xenos
I think you meant disgusting and repulsive

Besides she specializes in the mass slaughter of her own allies so I'd not get too close to her, being her enemy is a lot better

>>51557028
Its literally legit because Jes. If it was designed by someone else maybe.

>>51557076
Its Eldar its shit

Its not a tough equation

>>51556701
I want them to be troops with pulse blasters so that they can cap objectives.

>>51556972
I think GW has done an awesome job with all of their recent releases. My wallet is all but completely dead because of it.

>>51557033
Yvraine and The Visarch have the lasziest fucking pose the sculptor could give them.

"Arm at 45 degree and step 1 foot forward guys, these pose fit you guys cause i don't give a fuck about your race and i just do this for money."

>>51557082
Oh so what you are saying is you are the /tg/ avatar of Autism. The Aucarnate.

>>51557098
The Imperial stuff has been good

>>51557050
I'm going to infer that this seeming non-sequitur is a response to the shit Orks got while Eldar can table anyone sand effort, & are now getting even more & better support?

>>51557107
Thousand sons???

>>51557103
More like the /tg/ avatar of HFY, so like the Hfycarnate, that's be sweet

Nobody likes Eldar anon

>>51557116
Aren't Imperial fuck'em

>>51557136
My point is that there have been other great releases. Not just imperial. Almost forgot GSC. Those models are awesome.

>>51557149
Not really, they're all pretty crappy except the Imperial ones

>>51557122
Go make a Dork thread.

>>51557018
fur cloak man is top shelf
junk in the trunk tiddy elf + cat is interesting
the avatar of slaanesh is shit

The space marine guilliumvirate is fucking gr8, though.

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>>51557176
OK. You got me. GR8 B8 M8 8/8.

>>51557122
>Nobody likes Eldar anon
This is true, just look at how people are reacting to Fracture of Bieltan...they aren't even talking about it because they have a Space Marine to talk about instead.

Much as I am not one the HFYfags are definitly correct. Well done to them

>>51557033
I agree Joffrey Primarch isn't great. Get a helmet on that head fast.

Visarch and cypher are the real winners for me.

>>51557224
>Roboute Guilliman
>Space Marine

>>51557224
Literally everyone hates Robot Girlyman here though. At least ONE person likes Eldar.

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>>51557280

>>51556276
Grey Knights use special warded armour

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>>51555217
Why are the primarchs the size of titans when they were supposed to blend in to normal human civilization, or did the writers just forget that?

>>51557346
>when they were supposed to blend in to normal human civilization

They were never supposed to, though.

>>51557306
http://www.strawpoll.me/12266823

Do you like Eldar?

Do you like Roboute Guilliman?

http://www.strawpoll.me/12266830

>>51557346
They don't blend in. Even normal space marines are supposed to be like giant walking statues. They are made to look like pseudo-gods.

What's the book that contains the Chaos Marine Legion-specific rules

>>51557346
>they were supposed to blend in to normal human civilization

No they fucking were not.

>>51557356
>Do you like Eldar?
Yes.

>Do you like Roboute Guilliman?
I don't DISLIKE him, so I guess that counts as a "yes" as well.

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>>51557356
>100% yes for Eldar

>>51557378
Traitor Legion

>>51557368
space marines are only 7ft. I cant imagine rob acting as a politician when he cant even fit inside a room

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>>51557338
And they use a special paint to help make it stronger

>>51555217
Not an marinefag.
What makes a Primarch special?

Guys I'm so fucking hyped about Guilliman coming back, you have no fucking idea
But I am suspicious: is GW trying to go back on their steps?
Vulkan could have been back. El Jonhson could. Heck, even Dorn. But Guilliman? This is huge. Will we go back to SM Legions? Will 40k be more like 30k?
Not to mention the lore. I can't wait for the books that will come out of this and see how the plot will go from this point. So much potential
Shall we be afraid, or hopeful?

When did 40k start to became more shitty and more?
5th edition? 6th? 4th?

>>51557423
I can almost see your employee shirt through the screen anon, I think you need to settle down

>>51557397
Even though they are 7ft they are three times as wide as a man and the height varies. In the HH books they are supposed to dwarf regular humans.

>>51557420
>What makes a Primarch special?

Anon, you play 40k, and you ask this?

>>51557427
I'm dead serious anon. I started to learn about 40k with the books and the lore, so I'm particularly hyped for this stuff, I just wanted to know what other people thought

>>51557426
6th was when all the apocalypse stuff (superheavies, flyers, formations) really started to enter the game, so sixth. Late fifth gets an honourable mention because it had both IG and Necron flyers that kinda paved the way for sixth.

>>51557423
Duncan, please go or tell us more, but stop trying to hype.

Do any of you guys have the fluff from fracture of biel tan?

Turn a Calth box into Chaos marines?

>>51557438
I mean, how did they get special?
Emperor found them all over the place, but they are his sons? Who did he bang?

>>51557448
Duncan doesn't know what is internet.

With is worst 40k edition?
http://www.strawpoll.me/12266886

>>51557461
Don't tell GW I leaked this, but Biel-Tan gets fractured

>>51557466
>I mean, how did they get special?
>Emperor found them all over the place, but they are his sons? Who did he bang?

Anon, stop. Read.

>>51557463

wat

>>51557445
It's also when CC was neutered

>>51557420

Well, in early editions it was kinda implied that sure, the Primarchs were impressive dudes, but that 10,000 years of history had warped them into demigod-like super legend figures.

Theeeeeen the Horus Heresy novels made the legends canon instead of doing the interesting thing and showing "what really happened".

So now the Primarchs are 19 magical demigods who have such overwhelming prescence that a lot of the books describe them as painful to look at and forcing an instinctive urge to grovel in their prescence.

Also they can do shit like survive being stepped on by a Titan, or snapping a Bloodthirsters spine over their knee despite the logistics of that when you compare a Primarch to a Bloodthirster in size.

>>51557466
I think that the first 5 or 6 lines of every pages on the internet about 40k would answer your questions

>>51557466
He made them in a lab

I have an issue with a friend of mine who just got into the game, coming from D&D.

He's fun to play against even though he fields Eldar (I'm Tau so I can't talk), but he really doesn't care about accuracy.
He barely uses the ruler and eyeballs most of it, normally to his advantage. I've seen him move models sometimes 6" more than they should on "accident", and whenever someone calls him out on it he plays dumb and apologizes.
When it comes to determining line of sight, he counts it even if he can only see the tip of a hand or an antennae poking out from behind the rock.
He almost always "forgets" to declare jink and begs to let it slide after to-hit rolls have been made.

He only plays casuals and he's a genuinely fun guy to play against, but this sort of thing is really annoying and kind of ruins the games I have against him for me. Is there anything I can say or do about it without sounding like a dick?

>>51557466
>Emperor found them all over the place, but they are his sons? Who did he bang?

They are his clone, hence each of them is extremely powerful.

>>51557507
Send him etiquette videos

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>>51557507
He probably doesn't enjoy playing the game when everything has to be measured hard.

Tell him to play Age of Sigmar.

>>51555609
>He's still here
I btfo you out yesterday, and you're still here

Commarragh is fine

>>51557558
That guy's friend probably only suitable to play boxed game with a board (like Betrayal at Calth, Silver Tower, or Burning of Prospero)

About to play against dark angels with my Deldar for the first time today. Anything I need to especially worry about at 1100 points?

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>>51557463
Turn a Calth Box into The Fallen.

>>51557466
>there is someone who plays 40k but doesn't know literally the basic essential lore
Holy shit kill yourself. They're literally his sons, vat babies he made from his genes.

Gulliman seems like the worse loyalist who could have returned, given he doesn't have the Imperium's best interests at heart.

Note that even the preview material shows him more interested in securing Ultramar than actually stopping the black crusade. Ol' Rowboat would be fine with Terra dying if it meant his mini-empire was in position to thrive, even take over the galaxy under his own banner.

>>51557643
Good idea

So I have a question. Me and my brother started playing just a few months ago and are pretty new to the game. He's playing orks and i'm playing tyranids.
Yesterday when we played he brought out his newly bought gorkanaut.
So on the psychic phase on turn 1 I successfully manifested warp blast and got a hit with it. As its s10 ap2 with lance i rolled a 3 I got a penetrating hit and rolled a 6 on the vehicle damage table and as warp blast is ap2 i gain a +1 om my roll which leaves me on Explode! So basicly i destroyed it turn 1 with one psychic power.
Is there anything we're missing? Needless to say he was quite pissy after that.

>>51557507
The book literally tells you not to get LOS except to major limbs, so he can't draw it with a fingertip or antenna or a fucking wing claw or whatever. Also, just have people move the front row of their dudes the normal 6", & have the rest follow within reason. It's horseshit to loosey-goosey everything in his favor, so let him know.

But also: >>51557558

>>51557558
>based Soulblighter

>>51557655
>Note that even the preview material shows him more interested in securing Ultramar than actually stopping the black crusade.

I got the impression this is because Ultramar is currently under attack, and he can't really do anything until he's beaten it off and can properly marshal his forces to go on the offensive.

>>51557665

No no, Gorkanauts and Morkanauts are infamous for blowing up turn one. It's practically their main gimmick.

>>51557689

Ultramar is on the opposite fucking side of the Galaxy from Terra and the Eye.

Guys, I'm searching for that screenshot of the guy talking about how the problem with 40k fans is that ridicolous thing number 1 is perfectly viable but for some reason ridicolous thing number 2 instead sends them in authistic rage.

Somebody can help me?

>>51557665
No, that's how it goes. The writer of the Ork book & the Tyranid book was likely the same shitter named Robin Cruddace: if he doesn't like the army, he makes it more complex, less fun, & weaker, heaping arbitrary hamstrings & harmful special rules on them.

The Gorkanaut was supposed to be super-heavy & ignore the Vehicle Damage Table, but he either forgot or intentionally nerfed it, so yes: any army can Turn 1 360 no-scope it without effort, even though it costs almost as much as other armies' actual super-heavy units that are orders of magnitude more mobile, killy, & survivable.

I advise selling Orks or only buying second-hand, so GW is not rewarded for employing such failures.

>>51557718
Well evidently SOMETHING must be happening over there, or what the fuck is the book's story going to be? "The Eldar and Cadian arrive at Terra, bring Robute back to life, then all sit around jerking each other off while the galaxy burns"?

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>>51557643

>The fallen were the good guys all along

What did GW mean by this?

>>51557655
>Gulliman seems like the worse loyalist who could have returned
why? he's arguably the most interesting one

>given he doesn't have the Imperium's best interests at heart.
he literally MADE the imperium after everyone else went full retard in the heresy

him going "dudes how did you fuck this up" is a plot point

>even the preview material shows him more interested in securing Ultramar than actually stopping the black crusade
Robute wakes up while the shrine of the primarch is literally under siege. Of course he's going to be fighting in Ultramar.

>>51557721
Is ridiculous thing the prices?

>>51557771
Dark Angels must be given electrotherapy

>>51555863
>Another person getting into an autistic shit fit over a model

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>>51557771
And the guys who turn traitor will be the Ultramarines.

Not Chaos traitor, just independent traitor.

>>51556972
Guilliman looks fucking bad ass.

Local shop is selling 4 assassins already painted for £40. Is that a good deal?

>>51557843

Why are you asking us when we have no idea how well they are painted

>>51557773

Did...

Did you just chop a sentence in half to ask a question the second half of the sentence answers?

someone got a mirror for the februrary white dwarf?

>>51557507
He's either cheating or just doesn't realise
It's an issue. I know when I run d&d games distances are fairly lose and if somebody is out by five or ten feet or whatever I tend to say they're in anyway and fudge it because I want players playing a roleplaying game not a fantasy combat tactical simulator. Wargaming is of course different because of its competitive nature.

Either way all you can do is repeatedly correct him until he gets the idea and explain the difference between a wargame and a role-playing game. If he persists beyond this it's likely he is cheating G.

>>51557868

They look better than what I can do, just dunno if they're worth the money. I play tau but they look cool

>>51557771
>dangles turn traitor
>fallen turn loyalist
If those rumors are still true, this seems like a good way to advance the plot, and shake things up without piss in off too many people.

>>51557721
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>>51556396
It's happening now. Even if they don't kill the setting, it's very soon going to be unrecognisable. One Eldar, new gods, primarchs returned.

>>51556437
>People asked to continue 40k story for years
And people said that it was dumb to do more galaxy wide progress there when they could do more gapfilling, and tell more small stories.

>>51556577
I'm less sure. I haven't heard a good word about it except on the chans.

>>51557426
Mid 4th had the simplification of codexes. The 5->6th transition fucked a lot in the core rules and solidified the scaling problem that was beginning to creep into the game.

>>51557966
Thank you a lot

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I imagine these are going to get bought as Obliterators a lot.

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>>51557486
>Theeeeeen the Horus Heresy novels made the legends canon instead of doing the interesting thing and showing "what really happened".

Isn't it said that many novels are not necessarily the truth, but rather the legend of what happened?

>>51557773
>why? he's arguably the most interesting one

The Smurfs are the least interesting of the entire bunch though.

>>51556736
>Why can Dark Eldar never have nice things in Fluff and crunch

Fixed that for you

>>51558003
neat

>>51556153
>Also planet confirmed for low gravity.
You're implying that GW writers have any knowledge of real physics.

>>51557426
rules wise?

you could make an argument for every edition, really

fluff wise?

tail end of 4th edition/introduction of 5th edition

Honestly I still love 40k as-is. GW+FW 40k, at least. It's autists like carnac that spoil things for me.

>>51557426
Really?
6th and Warddexs

>>51556437
>People asked to continue 40k story for years
Thing is, they wanted it continued with good writing.

>>51558051
Ward done most of 5th together with Cruddance.

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>>51556777
As "loyal" as pic related, which totally aren't wearing armour with blatant CSM details or anything.

>>51557966

To be fair, routing voidelf bloodmaidens in two death-hours is pretty retarded.

>Eldar are reunited
How when the Dark Eldar are pure evil and decadence? How can the normal Eldar associate themselves with them? How can that society function? Are we expected to believe DEldar can just move past 10000 years of degeneracy and evil?

>>51558060
True but iirc the Necron dex and the sudden roll to 6th REALLY got the ball rolling on OP shit and bloat
Then 7th doubled down on formations

Need i remind you of Draigo's Dirty Dozen

>>51558076
>How when the Dark Eldar are pure evil and decadence? How can the normal Eldar associate themselves with them? How can that society function? Are we expected to believe DEldar can just move past 10000 years of degeneracy and evil?
>DE
>Evil
Everything's relative dumbass, not to mention that the DE are basically that relation you hate and he hates you but if it was life and death for the family they'd be there

>>51558099
>>51558076
We literally had this argument with High and Dark Elves during End Times. That's ominous.

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>>51558125
>We literally had this argument with High and Dark Elves during End Times. That's ominous.

No, it's poetry.

>>51558148
It's Pottery

why the fuck are ork boyz and nobs on 25mm bases

>>51558194
I just started into the game and let me tell ya, I was really worried when the feet of all my models was going so far off the base. Also, strormboyz also use the 25mm and it is a nightmare to get them balanced. I need to glue some coins or something to the bottom.

>>51558099
>Everything's relative dumbass
>created the mess that ruined everything for everyone with their decadence
>still hypocritically arrogant and perform horrendous tortures to save their pathetic skins
They're pure evil and selfishness you fucking retard. They're beyond pathetic. Again, how can Eldar feel save around these fucking backstabbing degenerates?

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>>51558230

STFU DON'T THINK, BUY MODELS

Alright, how many primearchs are floating around still?

>>51558125
if we're being technical about this, carnac screeched autistically about the dark eldar/eldar enmity years before the end times ever happened

>>51558250
I actually rather confused about Jaghatai because I thought he's been fighting the Dark Eldar for the last 10 millennia and with a lot of story stuff involving the Dark Eldar AND the return of a Primarch, I'm surprised he hasn't shown up yet.

>>51558305
>I thought he's been fighting the Dark Eldar for the last 10 millennia
that's just a fan assumption, don't buy into them too hard

>>51558230
DE are still nothing compared to Prime Eldar decadence, they use suffering of others to bribe Slaanesh off from leeching their soul

Would using Mk III and IV armour be an issue for 40k? Considering suggesting a renegade chapter slowly becoming corrupted by Heresy armour they've stumbled upon in the warp.

So... Eldar just got massively stronger then?

Because if they get extra shooting phases every time one of their units dies within 7 inches, that's a massive, massive boost.

>>51558345
>they use suffering of others to bribe Slaanesh off from leeching their soul
So their ancestors fucked everything up and now they're performing horrific deeds on others to save their pathetic skins from their species' own fuckup, and this makes it right?

>>51558397
All Eldar Ancestors did, and who the fuck cares if it's right or wrong in the grand scheme of things

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If characters in an army with Belisarius that can take Relics, have access to Arcana Mechanicum,

And if a Cadia Detachment gives Pask access to a Relic (Kabe's Herald)

Could Pask potentially take any of the Arcana Mechanicum, like Memento Morispex or Omnissiah's Grace?

>>51558365
This shouldn't be an issue at all. Unless, of course, you play with total autists. This game is meant to be fun. You adding that narrative to your army doesn't hurt anyone.

>>51558414
Cheers anon. I know it's not a lot, but there are some people who just can't handle little plastic men being slightly different than usual

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If this is 30K Ahriman, I wonder what he looks like nowadays.

>>51558503

>Ahriman looks like Ben Kingsley

mind blown

>>51558503
>Except that's Amon

So when Cypher comes out in March you won't be able to buy the old model just like with Ahriman, right? Or will they wait until they release the models separately, as my local GW dude said they'd do with Cawl/Greyfax/Celestine?
When is the next lot of Made to Order coming out?

No rush
>>51558525