Jumpchain CYOA Thread #1325: Blue Eyes Crying In The Rain Edition

Wow, OP, what a disappointing edition.

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Jumpers, have you ever taken over a city, country, or even world? If so, what did you take over, and what was your rule like?

Hey, ASA, why do you want to start a war with the Outer Gods?

So are New Gods in STAS real gods? Like the same kind that power Wonder Woman and Shazam?

>>51553944
Yes. No.

>>51553944
The New Gods are actual gods, yes. They're also super-advanced aliens, because this is Jack Kirby we're talking about. They are not the same sort of thing as the gods that power Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel, though. Like the name says, they're the NEW Gods, different from the old ones.

>>51553944
Yeah they're gods. They live on a different plane of existence. They're super advanced and split into two races. Those that follow Darkseid and those that follow High Father. They're not the same as Zeus and SHAZAM. However quite similar.

>>51553995
Though I don't think they're new in the sense that the normal earth gods are the old gods. Because apparently New Gods have existed simce before earth type gods anyway.

>>51553958
>>51553995
>>51554021
Ah, okay. Do they need worship or anything? And are they actually gods /of/ something?

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>>51553944
Yes they are real gods, but they are different than the gods of Greek mythology or any other mythology really. That's what Kirby was trying to do, create a new pantheon for a new mythology.

For all his many talents Kirby was not very subtle most of the time. Mainly because he was never trying to be subtle. It's why the ultimate evil is called "dark side".

>>51554043
>that pic
That actually looks pretty cool.

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>>51553932
I took over the world in Black Bullet. Probably the nicest Autocratic Surveillance State you've ever seen, especially when compared to before.

>>51553932
i do that a lot, people have no idea how to govern themselves.

>>51554037
No need for worship. They're totally divorce from the mortal plane. They're New Gods of being "New". They really don't have "portfolios" like that of Zeus, God of Thunder...etc. They're normal people pretty much with super advanced technology.

>>51554022
Kind-a sort-a. People forget that the Fourth World cycle was originally meant to be a stand-alone series with only tangential relation to the rest of the DC universe, and to have a finite run and then not appear again. It lead to some weird changes in the worldbuilding when it got integrated into wider DC canon, a lot of the ideas Kirby wanted to work with didn't really fit anymore but were so cool he tried to do them anyway. In the original plan, they included the gods of Earth in the "old gods" that they were heir to, in fact Kirby originally came up with the idea of the New Gods when working on the Ragnarok arc in Thor. It was supposed to end with all the Norse gods dead for good and these new gods taking their place.

>>51554037
They can be gods of things, yes. Metron is the god of time, the Black Racer the god of death, etc. Many aren't, though, and are just sort of genetically divine. And they don't need worship. They just are (DARKSEID IS! Sorry, couldn't resist it).

>>51554072
Oh boy.

>>51554072
So what was that about abhoring tyranny? To the point of hating physics itself? Because it suppressed people's freedom?

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>>51554115
yeah they do things like have dictatorships, Plutocracys,theocracies in Worlds where The gods do not have a direct presence,autocracies,Entire cities are run by guild councils without any significant influence by the populace, Have legal slavery. all sorts of nasty stuff

>>51554144
yes. So I teach them how to govern themselves, and part of that is freeing them from their previous Oppression.

>>51554144
People just don't know how to be free the right way!
He'll free them from physics and sanity, or he'll free them from their lives. There are no alternatives.

>>51553932
I take over the space colonies in every Gundam jump. If Gundam has any real message, it's not about the necessity of understanding or how war leads us to dehumanize each other. No, it's about how people who live in space are assholes and will never stop trying to destroy the world. There needs to be someone to keep them in line, and the various Earth governments are eventually going to screw things up and let the space assholes get strong enough to fight for their independence. Fortunately, I have technology so advanced they'll never be able to match it on their own and perks that keep it from being reverse-engineered, so there's no risk of them ever being able to struggle free from beneath my thumb.

We're barely 25 posts in and already we're about to hit an anti-Tera posting spree.

Good night, I'll be by with a fire extinguisher later.

Well, might as well repost my question.

How do Jobs in FFTA work?

So, question. Is it wrong if I want to create a race of creatures whose sole purpose is just...living? I mean, I'm not creating them for any specific goal, I'm just...making them because I want them to exist. I mean, I suppose I DO want to see how they evolve, and what kind of civilisation they form, but other then that I just want to create them just to create them. Is that wrong? Am I breaking some sort of moral law or something by creating life just for the sake of creating life and seeing what happens?

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>>51553932
Yes to all of the above.

>city

Strapped a bunch of cosmic hot air balloons to Firefly Alley, lifting it above the sea of Death. Ran for mayor and won by a landslide.

>country

Transformed America into a dark monopoly ruled by Old Ones and one hell goddess, because I looked into the future and saw the alternatives were worse. Technically me and Glory were more transitional dark lords of all, and when I left I handed power back to Mayor Wilkins.

>world

In the Wheel of Time I possesed Rand, traded Ishamael a final death for his powers and conspired with Lanfear to annihilate the Dark One-whose umbral essence I then wove into myself. We then manned the Choden Kai to obliterate-weave the Creator as well-breaking the Wheel of Time. The end result was a world devoid of free will, where every sentient being was conscripted to forge it-and the possibilities of Tel'aran'rhiod-into a multiverse-size Sa'angreal in preparation for my post-spark battle with Nyarlathotep. Except for the few Forsaken who defected to me, supervising the enslaved suddenly-channelers.

>>51554198
From what I gather they're basically like D&D classes?

>>51554173
>Taking over the colonies
>In every Gundam Jump
>Even the ones where the colonies are doing just as good, if not better than under Earth rule.
Wow, we got some real Feddie scum right here.

>>51554219
If they're alive for the sake of it just include little tidbits and false leads as to why they're actually alive. Give them some kind of hope should they discover their artificial origin.

>>51554219
I don't see anything wrong with it.

>>51554219
I don't think so, myself. Why not let them enjoy their lives?

>>51554219
It's not inherently wrong to create life, no. Extremely ambitious, and like all ambitious tasks it has to be handled carefully to prevent it from going wrong, but I don't think it's intrinsically immoral. You don't even have to provide for them in comfort and happiness, just make sure they have the possibility to do so.

>>51554219
So you basically want to make a sapient ant farm?

>>51554219
Why would it be wrong?
I guess that really depends on your own morality, but there's not really anything inherently ebil about it if that's what you're asking.
You might want to make sure they don't go all invasive species on wherever you put them though, just to be polite.

>>51554219
Not really. It honestly seems better than creating them to serve a purpose to me.

>>51554198
You get a basic job and it comes with some skills and abilites, You can train it up by fighting in it and after you git gud you can look into advanced jobs with better stuff..
Some are race restricted, but if you have a compaion that has one you can learn it from them after the jump is over.

Using things from a job when you aren't in it is tricky unless you have the classy perk.
I suggest taking a look at a wiki for what the jobs can do for you. Also fanwank is your friend. FFTA is heavy on the mechanics and some wont make sense outside of the game.

>>51554241
>Wow, we got some real Feddie scum right here.
No, because the Federation fails. They always fail to prevent the colonies from causing horrible destruction to everyone, and it winds up to some plucky group of mavericks to save the day. Fuck that, I'm not letting it get to that stage. There isn't a single Gundam series where the people who live in the space colonies are the good guys. The closest we get are series where they are the less evil guys. Either way, they still try to do awful things. Someone needs to be there to stop them.

>>51554219

I don't believe so. Some might try to make the "playing god" argument, but all life at its core seeks to survive and thrive. Depending on the circumstances behind the race you create, they may curse your existence at first or sometime later (just like people blame god for putting them on Earth or whatever), but they'll try to live and seek happiness in whatever form it takes for them in the end.

>>51553932
I took over the galaxy, I was a just and loving ruler but those that betrayed me suffered a most terrible vengeance.

>>51554241
Oh, that's a good idea. It'd be terrible if they became depressed at discovering their existence was just because someone wanted to make them and see what happens.

>>51554242
>>51554245
>>51554252
>>51554264
Oh, okay, good. Just wanted to check. I will have to handle it carefully, but I think if I play my cards right I can allow them everything they need to grow and thrive if they take the opportunity.

>>51554256
That's...yeah, that's almost exactly what I'm going for. I just want to make them and then see what happens.

>>51554258
Well, there's the whole "playing god" thing, I suppose. Plus, it would be kind of sad to discover that you existed only because your creator simply wanted you to exist and wanted to see what you would do, rather then having some grand design. Oh, right, I should make sure they don't become an invasive species. Maybe put some initial breeding limitations or give them certain weaknesses to natural predators?

>>51554295
That's a good point anon. It'd be a bummer if they came to hate me, but hey, I wanted to know how they would evolve, so I guess I have my answer on that.

Thanks, everyone. I appreciate you all taking the time to answer my question. You guys rock.

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>>51553938
Well, the short and simple answer is: It was mean to me in Ravenloft. And technically that's true; as one of the Dark Powers behind it Nyarlathotep took a interest in my journey, like a malevolent Benefactor. Towns died screaming into madness, the local dark lords spontaneously mutated into eldritch abominations and the damned mist got all non-euclidean even though I had Mist Walker. It was literally like living through a nightmare, and colored my views about the multiverse knowing there were THINGS out there that could just drop into your world one day, and do worse than destroy it.

I...did not take it well when I finally learned one of my Benefactor's identities: The Nameless Mist, mother to Yog-Sothoth.

But there's the bigger reason: Someone once asked if maybe the Outer Gods have Jumpers of their own. They have two. The first is Nyarlathotep-and arguably there would BE no war without him, because he is the soul and messenger of the others which arguably aren't even sentient by any conventional measure. It's telling that in trying to remake another being in his own image, he introduced unimaginable horror in my wake,

The second is...me. Altforms. Spaces thst should not be. The very concept of a causality-warping entity with a boredom that can't be understood. This post isn't big enough to explain what I've learned about Benefactor metaphysics (and cinnamon toast cruonch) but suffice to say she's removed enough from her family that I've no grudge against her. However, I have learned that the very concept of a Jumper was reverse-engineered from Nyarlathotep's form.

That doesn't change my sheer revulsion at the idea of just how much they've shaped their own reality and beyond /and not even caring/ because they're utterly beyond consequence.

They're cosmic cancers. Nothing can coexist with them without being bent to their whims. And I'll be DAMNED if the worlds I've come to cherish will be defiled by their touch.

>>51554290
>IBO
Normal people suppressed by Gjallahorn
>G Gundam
They left Earth and fight on it. They're not evil.
>Build Fighters
Normal people with secret magic crystals
>00
Some good and some evil but all for the sake of unifying Earth and creating Innovators
>Gundam
The Zeonic movement may have been taken over by the Zabis and turned into something far worse than it was intended to be but behind all that they had a point. They were being screwed over and the normal people were suffering because of it.

In the end: fuck you anon, there are tonnes of good spacenoids and your "stop the spacenoid" plan is both discriminatory and evil.

>>51554474
Do you think he cares?

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>>51554325
I think a slow metabolism is the simplest solution. Like the galapogos tortoise. Or some breeds of elf.

Basically anything that isn't barnacle spores, really.

>>51554474
>Normal people suppressed by Gjallahorn
All of the "normal people" we've seen have been either pirates, mob bosses, or their victims. I feel sympathy for the victims, but the rest can burn.

>They left Earth and fight on it. They're not evil.
Fight on the ruins of the Earth, from which they've abandoned millions to starve in. Not outright evil, but very unsympathetic and clearly need to be regulated given that they're responsible for creating the Devil Gundam.

>Normal people with secret magic crystals
Not actually space, Arian is in another dimension. I'll grant that they seem pretty nice, though.

>Some good and some evil but all for the sake of unifying Earth and creating Innovators
Deluded terrorists thinking they're fighting for a "greater good" at best, actively trying to destroy human civilization at worst. Falls into the "lesser evil" category.

>The Zeonic movement may have been taken over by the Zabis and turned into something far worse than it was intended to be but behind all that they had a point. They were being screwed over and the normal people were suffering because of it.
No one was suffering. This is a persistent myth that Zeon perpetuated. The colonies were fine, every last space colony we see in UC Gundam is a great place to live. Side 3 was fine, the only "oppression" they had was that after they declared independence the Federation stopped giving them aid since they were no longer one of their protectorates. Oh no, they got what they wanted and had to deal with the consequences of it. But yeah, I'm sure that justifies all the genocide they committed against both their fellow Spacenoids and Earthnoids. Remember, Zeon killed over a third of the human population in six months. They are the greatest villains in history, in the UC timeline.

In the end: Fuck you, anon, there might be tonnes of good Spacenoids on the individual level, but every large group of them inevitably does evil. It's a systemic problem.

>>51554530
No but I feel that any anon reading his comment may be swayed into thinking all spacenoids are evil. Misinformation is bad for Jumpers.

>>51554549
I'm not saying that all Spacenoids are evil. I'm saying that all Spacenoid governments are evil. That's what Mobile Suit Gundam was about. Zeon are unambiguously the villains of that story. But any individual Zeonic soldier could be a good person. It's only when you get them together and let the institutional culture happen that they commit atrocities. So I'm not going to do bad things to the Spacenoids that I conquer. They don't deserve mistreatment. But neither can they be left to govern themselves, because they're just going to do horrible things with that freedom. My one worry is that in enforcing the Spacenoids I'll have to live in space, and therefore have my organization become just as bad as them. That's what happened to the Titans, after all.

>>51554546
So all those people living on Mars that are dying on the street don't count as normal people? Wow.

So you haven't seen G Gundam? Could've just said.

So you haven't seen Build Fighters either?

Actively trying to destroy human civilisation? Just make a list of the shows you have seen, it'd be shorter.

Watch the side content, watch Origin, watch the sequels and read the mangas. The normal spacenoids were being fucked over. Not as bad as the Zabis said but they were being fucked.

>>51554325
>it would be kind of sad to discover that you existed only because your creator simply wanted you to exist and wanted to see what you would do, rather then having some grand design.
If they have a mindset even remotely close to human, then at least a few of them will reason that their 'grand purpose' is to do as they wish. To find purpose for themselves. That the meaning of life is to find meaning in life. Your experiment might run more smoothly if you foster that reasoning, maybe.

Do Majin have DNA or are they just magical silly putty?
I'm kinda thinking the latter.

>>51554586
>So all those people living on Mars that are dying on the street don't count as normal people? Wow.
Oh, you mean the people who live in Chryse, which has been granted limited autonomy from the Earth nations that used to run it and therefore are responsible for their own suffering? Yeah, those are the victims of the "pirates, mob bosses and their victims" groupings.

>So you haven't seen G Gundam? Could've just said.
Nothing I said was wrong. Earth is a shithole, there are still plenty of people living there, the colonies abandoned them. .

>So you haven't seen Build Fighters either?
Again, I'm not wrong. Arian isn't in space, it's another dimension. Though the other dimension is admittedly one that has space colonies, so if you want to be pedantic, fine.

>Actively trying to destroy human civilisation? Just make a list of the shows you have seen, it'd be shorter.
Did you watch Season 2? I'll understand if you didn't, it's not as good as the first season.

>Watch the side content, watch Origin, watch the sequels and read the mangas. The normal spacenoids were being fucked over. Not as bad as the Zabis said but they were being fucked.
Origin is non-canon, casual. The sequels are after Zeon has fucked everything over for Spacenoids, so of course it's bad there then. And most of the mangas are non-canon, too, I'd need you to provide specific citation about which ones you're referring to.

>>51554532
Huh. That could work. Thanks, Garlock.

>>51554618
Oh! That's a good idea, I can work with that! Thanks, anon!

>>51554638

They seem to just be magical silly putty, yeah

>>51554638
Magical silly putty. The original Majin, Majin Buu, is a being that has existed since the dawn of time, rampaging for a while before returning to hibernation.

>>51554347
>The story of a Jumper as told through a genre lens of Cosmic Horror.
You know I just got a lot more interested in your Jumping and I've been here since just before Light of Terra... keep it up Garlock!

>>51554663
And the other colonists that are under Gjallarhorn rule who get killed off or imprisoned for even the most minor of things. Hell, Gjallarhorn has acknowledged how badly it treats the Spacenoids a couple of times int he first season

I meant about the Devil Gundam, which if you had watched the show you'd know it was originally the Ultimate Gundam designed to fix Earth. They never abandoned Earth, either. They still send it resources.

I am being pedantic since it's on a space colony. Even if it happens to not be near Earth.

And did you watch the end of that? The Innovades were going their own way because their leader thought that'd be the best way to fulfil the plan but normal CB (main characters) were still trying to follow the original plan while fixing their mistakes. Did you watch the second season? I actually thought it was just as good as the first and I even liked the movie because I'm not a sub-human mongoloid that can't understand the ending

non-canon. ffs anon if we were talking canon then the Zeta movie would be canon. You know? That one where they change the ending? And if we're getting technical with "canon" then the proper canon is anything with an anime, like the origin and Thunderbolt. Any new content overriding old content so that anything not fitting is retconned. I don't have any specific entries right now since my manga collection is on another hard drive but the basic fact is that they were being treated as second class citizens while the Earth as using itself as a hub for everything to go through and be ruled by. This caused resources to flood there. Unicorn touched on the history of it a little but there was less of it in the anime than the books.

At this point I know you're going to argue so how about we agree to disagree. Not all spacenoids are evil and like Germany in WW2, normal people can get caught up in a bad movement without any chance to get out of it.

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Couldn't sleep, decided to finish the thing I haven't touched since...

July sixth of last year...

Fuck I have zero drive.

I changed Archetype because it wasn't satisfying before and deleted a picture I couldn't get in line. Can't remember any other changes.

>>51555037
Pdf doesn't work sempai.

>>51555037
Getting a "PDF failed to load" message whenever I click on it. Is it corrupted or something?

>>51555057
>>51555069
he'll fix it by September.

>>51555037
>>51555057
>>51555069

works on my end, anons

>>51555037
>New Archetype
Can we...can we have the old one back? This was is so much worse. Just...why post this if you can't even be arsed changing it?

>>51555057
>>51555069
Works for me?

>>51555113
rewriting it* not changing it. Phone at it's worst.

>>51555069
>>51555057
Try clicking reload guys. Just entering the link again won't fix it but hitting the blue reload link will with a minute or two.

>>51555121
Thanks, that fixed it.

>>51555113
It looks more like it does the same thing the old one did with the addition of a sin/virtue based power. Isn't that an improvement?

>>51555159
It doesn't do the same thing as the old one. Now it's a half assed "Make your own power option". The last one was cool and felt like it fit the setting at least somewhat. This one does far less.

>>51555178
I dunno. Looking at the wording it looks more like you get a power and the potential to reach the levels of Judgement and Lucifer.
>Right now you have the seed of power, given time, it will bloom into greatness and you will be able to stand side by side with even the most powerful of archdevils and archangels.

Looking at the powers given for example at the bottom they look more like an addition than what makes you equal to an Archangel/Archdemon.
>Greed: You carry your fortune on your back. You have a personal space within your heart containing every currency you own, all of it, no matter how large, how small, or if it was stolen. Gold, Jewelry, Heaven and Havoc coins. And not only that, it has an interest rate. 0.0001% of your entire fortune will be added onto it at the end of every day, individually for each kind of currency. No you can’t use this to replace your warehouse, only things of purely >monetary value such as statues, paintings, and other forms of wealth can be stored here.

>>51555288
Maybe, though I'm not sure why the price got reduced and discounted if it's been made more powerful as well. Hopefully the jumpmaker will be around to actually answer stuff soon.

Jump #257: Soul Calibur
>Queen of Cups: A tranquil poet who reflects the nature of the observer.
>Age: 17
>Location: Water Mills Valley
>Identity: Drop-In
>Drawbacks: Wardrobe Malfunction (+200)
Actually, I can turn this into a useful mechanic, considering I'm spending a decade in a series that is an overglorified fighting game. Layers of armor would ablate. The more damage I take, the more my armor falls away. Perhaps I'd move faster as a result? Yes, valid gameplay mechanic... but it means I'd better not wear anything I am not completely willing to have torn to shreds, at best.
>Deliverance (1100)
Well, if there are swords that would screw with one's head, it's best to be able to deal with that efficiently.
>Eternal Wayfarer (1000, Drop-In)
This is the best perk I can get here, I would argue. Travel becomes easier, full of energy on discovering new places... I've been doing that for so long, and I'll be doing it even longer.
>Forever Onward (900, Drop-In)
Being able to not be hampered by the weather is more handy than some would think.
>Demon Hunter (700)
Useful here, and more useful elsewhere.
>Faster Than A Howling Wind (400)
Gotta fight fast?
>Sacred Dawn (100)
Never underestimate the detrimental effects that a sleepless night can have on a person. It's not fun.
>Ling Shen Su (0, Drop-In)
A fighting style that centers around a staff instead of a sword? A relative rarity. And useful - after all, I have the silicon staff I picked up in Blame rather than a GBE. Just means I effectively have a limit break, yeah?

Fantastic swords and where to find them?

Seriously, this is just... a really thin plot centering on a couple of swords that want to kill each other. I'm not sure where to go with this. Except to beat everyone up and smash both of their swords, because I have never been a fan of Soulcaliber. And when they reappear, do it again.

I think after that, I might put Cervantes back in a normal and living human body and just see what the heck happens from there.

>>51555113
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>>51555159
>>51555178
>>51555288
>>51555313
Original Archetype was just a straight power up. Probably should have removed the "Stand Like Powers" in the notes since that was for a different version that basically was a choose your own power thing, although that could just be examples of what you can do with your power eventually?

And yeah, thinking on it again I probably shouldn't have done the price drop.

Anyways, I'm going to be gone tomorrow so don't hold your breath for anymore answers.

>>51555477
Well, just say when you are back so we can discuss it.

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Anyways, quick adjustment. I'll check in tomorrow evening.

>>51555541

I'm reading the "more it influences you" part of the updated perk as a potential loss of self (or at least a /diminishing/ of self) in return for power. It seems, at least to me, that you become increasingly and so in turn less defined by defined by your aspect and less defined by /you/.

How accurate would you call that? Not a criticism, by the way, just checking if I'm reading it correctly.

>>51555541
By the way, would you mind making panty and stocking a separate companion purchase from the priest guy?

For...reasons

>>51555593
Honestly I didn't think of that, but that would be a really neat idea to play with for a narrative. I was thinking more physical or abstract rather than mental. Depending on how you play it you could have it as "Diving into a persona" or "The man becoming the mask".

>>51555622
To me companion options are highly personal, so if you don't want a part of it who am I to judge?

>>51555541
Do Panty & Stocking w/ Garterbelt count as one companion or three?

Has your benefactor every messed with you just to do it, nothing harmful just something they did because they knew it would get under your skin? Mine decided it would be funny to give the Vampire-hating werewolf a Vampire sister!

>>51555767
Mine took my knowledge of Earth and the reasons why I started my chain. Took me 3 jumps before I realised and it was only because I was looking at a pedestrian crossing and trying to figure out how to use it, even though I should've known.

I was given a minor reward of a weeks semi-restricted access to Earth's internet from when I left.
My Chain is a little different in that time on Earth continues and unless I win I'll be dead forever. Though if I win I should have some kind of time travel ability to return back to my time otherwise I'm stuck in the far future.

>>51555632
Yeah I'm kind of drawn to the idea of the perk blurring lines that define selfhood, there's narrative potential there.

But just to clarify, you were originally intending the perk to read that if you (under your own power), embraced this concept, you would change from the perspective of an /outside/ observer? So you'd look (body and soul) like the incarnation of rage or justice or whatever as your actions fall more in line with that concept?

(And presumably this increase in power and change to our nature is entirely dependant on ur continued embodiment of whatever choice we've made - so an Archetype of say, Rage, would lose the benefits of this perk if they went and peacefully meditated in a mountain for a year?)

Would a Dominions 4 jump be valid or is the power level too high? It's about Pretenders (such as ancient dragons, archmages, devils and shit from dozens of myths) fighting for the throne of High God.

>>51556297

It'd be fine, even the Pantokrator is fairly low-power compared to some of the jumps floating around. Some of the high-level magic effects are rather terrifying, but they're still being compared against a baseline of filthy peasants with sticks.

Like Asura's Wrath, the power of the setting is highly dependent upon infrastructure.

Plus, spells and item creation take months to finish by default.

Just a question about GHQ. If you take The Fifth Step does this mean you have to continue eating hollows so you don't devolve back into a lower class hollow?

>>51556644
Don't think so, no.

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>>51550934
>Green Sun Prince Akuma
Huh. I had not considered that as a possibility before.

I think I mentally dismissed it on grounds of crossing the streams of Infernalhood... and the whole Primordial-Exaltation prohibits it, but that's only the case with incompatible essences like it is for Alchemicals and Abyssals.

So I suppose it's possible, though the drawback was meant to make you a mortal Akuma.

Don't think being a GSP Akuma's worth 300 points though. So I might update it to that, but probably reduce it to 200cp then?

>Getting both drawbacks should make you a normal mortal Akuma
Hm. Only if I use the above, since the Akuma drawback was originally supposed to already make you a mortal Akuma.

>Tempting, right? That is how an infernal deal like this should look.
>that deal is not tempting or insidious enough.
To be fair, Akumahood was never actually a good bargain.


But I'll consider it for the update. You make some good points.In the meantime, I'll work on Lunars some more, see if I can get some wip worth posting this weekend.

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>>51556796
>Lunars
Bodacious Buns

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>>51556916
Huh. That somehow reminded me of a perk I was supposed to include and forgot about.

Thanks?

>>51557019
That smiley face on her head never ceases to amuse me. What were they thinking when they made that their symbol, anyway?

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>>51557048
It's supposed to be a stylized sunset, with half the Zenith and Night symbols.

...But I prefer the smiley interpretation too.

If I buy the Potential perk as a Saiyan in DBZM could I wank that I have reached the 3 SSJ forms? I know it would be pointless and wasteful to use them at that point considering how Mystic/Ultimate form works but I still want the golden hair.

>>51557139
No, why would you be able to do that?

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>>51553932
Not in the way that you mean the question, no. I've been in charge of cities for limited amount of time before, but that was war and it was more of a relief effort than ruling. Technically I'm ruler of this town in Nechronica. Population 26 partly insane "high school" students and a half dozen regular Dolls with stragglers coming in every few days. But I'm less a ruler and more a heavily armed baby-sitter right now.

I couldn't even tell you what my rule is like yet. I'm only a week into this mess.

>>51555767
My Coordinator does not mess with me in non-harmful ways.
He unleashed a nearly world-ending plague in Avatar: TLA because I bored him.

>>51557173
Because the Mystic/Ultimate "form" you have from the potential perk is a sliding scale of base to a bit stronger than SSJ 3. With none of the downsides such as consuming of energy in SSJ 3.

Using any of the Super Saiyan forms with the Potential perk is completely pointless and just a waste of energy*.Since it doesn't provide any extra power I figured it might be fine.

*In the DBZM canon, in the main canon I think they stack.

>>51557139
It never unlocked the super saiyan forms, just gave shitloads of power to base forms. You can always unlock the others in jump by training like vegeta did. Also get bulma to build a blutz wave cannon to become ss4 a lot until you can transform at will.

Then use the dbz beerus movie to unlock saiyan god mode to stack that on top.

Then kai o ken technique to push your body higher.

There you go, unbeatable by all but the most powerful dbz villains.

>>51557139
No.

>>51557230
Does it? I never saw any mention of them not stacking. If so, just take the 0cp option to add other canons in and you can learn to add those forms on too. Though it would add true canon DBZ as another universe of course.

>>51557400
I know gohan ises his super saiyan form on top of potential. Kai o ken seems to be forgotten in the original for some reason though.

>>51557439
Isn't that because you need a calm focus for Kaioken not to kill you, which doesn't really work with Super Saiyan's rage thing?

Apart from no one except Goku learning the technique.

>>51557439
Kaio-ken and super saiyan aren't compatible in db main canon due to super saiyan disturbing the ki and being it's own strain on the body. Trying to use kaio-ken on top of something else that strains your body, and weakens your control over the technique is likely to prove fatal, and super saiyan was a much larger boost to power than kaio-ken. I don't know shit about multiverse though.

>>51557400
>Does it?
It is one of the things the author of Multiverse changed. It's stated that Gohan can use his full power in his "normal" form without going through the various Super Saiyan transformations.

According to the Author of DBZM every race has a peak of power they can possess, Gohan is at that at all times so he has no need for those forms which would just be a waste of energy for him.

Unless someone takes the alt continuity drawbacks the SSJ forms do nothing for them after getting the Old Kai's Unlocked Potential since they can use that power in their normal form.

>>51557531
Neat. Guess it's the alt continuity stuff then.

>>51554474
Gjallahorn is corrupt, however they're hardly suppressing people. Its Earth that's supressing Mars economically.

>>51557531
> According to the Author of DBZM every race has a peak of power they can possess
Well then, that begs the obvious question: which race has the highest peak out of your options in the jump?
Because not picking that without also picking up an alt continuity sounds like a good way to get your shit stomped in.

>>51557542
If we had Old Kai unlock our potential in jump would it only take us to Gohan's level, or is it possible to have more unlocked? Also, would taking Unlock Potential lock us out from getting Old Kai to do it?

>>51557552
>which race has the highest peak out of your options in the jump?
Probably about the same; with the exception of weird individuals such as fusions, gag characters, and outliers like Broly or Son Bra.

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How dangerous is Kara No Kyoukai?

I know it is not nearly at Tsukihime and Fate's level of OPness but is it possible to survive it as a first jump if you stay out of the plot?

>>51557554
It would take you to Gohan's level. How big a boost it gives to others when you use the unlock feature is dependent on their potential. Yes, it would preempt Old Kai using it on you.

>>51557552
It's a bit of a dubious claim for even the author of the work to make given how many outliers exist that break the idea. Some like Broly can be explained but others like Bra don't exactly make sense with that idea.

>>51557582
Bra is the daughter of a permanent fusion, it makes sense that she breaks the mold a bit.

>>51557601
Not really. Fusions become one being when fused. It's no different then having a normal extremely powerful parent. Vegito, for all intents and purposes, is just a single extremely powerful Saiyan when fused.

>>51557515
It returns in DBS. Thanks to Super Sayian God.

>>51557601
So. Vegito got kinky with Bulma?

>>51557582
Can you teach others how to use KI?

>>51557629
There's no reason that you couldn't.

>>51557629
Yes.

>>51557613
>It's no different then having a normal extremely powerful parent.
Exactly; his immense power has an effect on what his daughter is capable of, making her potential strength higher than that of other non fusion characters. It isn't because he is a fusion but because he is more powerful, which required him to be a fusion but any other method would likely have had a similar effect.

>inb4 jumpers start a potara breeding program to get extra powerful daughterus.


>>51557620
>So. Vegito got kinky with Bulma?
Well half of him was her husband.

>>51557580
it is an alt continuity but otherwise has alot of the normal Nasuverse shenenigans to watch out for.

Also dont piss off Shiki(that girl with the knife in the pic) she possesses the Mythic Eyes of Death Perception and CAN and will kill you if you get on her shitlist.

>>51557648
If they're from a universe without Ki.

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>>51557580
Oh yeah, totally. All the action's focused on one really crappy apartment building apart from one feral stalker with predator powers who's focused on the MC instead, and the reality warping undead abomination consciousness tapping into Akasha is completely apathetic about everything except the male lead.

The big bad's a century-old magus genius who should /really/ be considered a Dead Apostle for all intents and purposes, isn't, but is still abnormally tough and good with magic forcefields. He's also way too busy trying to create a double-taijitu to bother with you unless you take a certain drawback.

>>51557657
Reminder that Void Shiki can only fight defensively against Servants according to Nasu

>>51557656
But the other half is her childhood friend. Also if they defuse, are both Vegeta & Goku the father?

>>51557688
Possibly, though it isn't very likely for them to defuse. Unless Vegito is eaten by Buu again.

>>51557656
It's not much of an innate limit to each race as a whole if it's decided by your parents power level. Seems more like an innate limit to each person individually.

Also it's just generally dumb and not really thematic for dragon ball either? It's certainly not consistent with much else to have children's power levels be dependent on the parents. Some kids are just born with more or less power. Sure you have Gohan/Goten/Trunks being strong from the start, but you also have Raditz being nowhere near his father and Goku taking a long time of training to get over his initial lack of power at birth. Honestly, just go with what you believe is personally right because neither canon nor Multiverse stick to one answer in the course of those stories.

>>51557675
Reminder that Nasu can't world-build for shit and lies in interviews for shiggles.

>>51557711
Well power levels are bullshit. Honestly I think it is just the author's reasoning for the power of the characters to be lower than in other post Buu saga Dragon Ball material.

He set the comic years after DBZ ended but the powers of the main cast stayed more or less the same as in the Buu Saga, he needed some explanation for that.

>>51557717
He was decent at it when his writing focused on street level cosmic horror.

Servants were a mistake because everything they touch turns into powerlevels and fanservice

>>51557744
Did the power levels stay the same? I remember them noting plenty of times that people got way stronger then the last time we saw them, it's just that since everyone that isn't totally pathetic got stronger, you can't really tell any difference because people ultimately end up being still on the same levels as each other. I mean, we know a couple of the characters definitely got stronger from Buu stuff, like Vegito or Zen Buu.

I don't really think they'd need to justify other post Buu material, since they said they were basically ignoring super and the movies since it completely didn't fit with their own canon.

>>51557782
>Did the power levels stay the same?
Well Gohan has explicitly stayed just as strong as he was in the Buu Saga, depending on if you ask Goku or Vegeta they are either a little bit stronger or weaker than Gohan. I personally choose to interpret this a Goku speaking in terms of actual combat ability with Vegeta thinking of raw stats.

They have gotten stronger but by a much smaller margin that you would expect considering the time difference. Cell was noted to grow a great deal since they last saw him and so did a few other characters but that was only in comparison to when the Z fighters last saw them, which was way before the Buu saga.

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>>51557668
>The big bad's a century-old magus genius who should /really/ be considered a Dead Apostle for all intents and purposes

Zouken?

>>51557845
I don't imagine Gohan really trained though, at best only to maintain his edge and not to get stronger, and I'm not sure when Goku or Vegeta indicated their level in regards to Gohan.

I also don't remember them specifying that guys like Cell only grew in relation to who they used to be at the level of. I remember them all thinking he only got a little stronger because he hid his power level, since he'd actually gotten way better then they initially believed.

>>51557870
Well it's shown in DBZ that after Cell games he basically quit training. After Buu saga at least in DBS once again he stopped training.

>>51557845
...Didn't Gohan himself say he was the weakest in their group?

>>51557970
And there was a attachment next to that bubble saying it was a total lie.

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>>51557847
Nah, guy called Souren Araya. Specialises in Bounded Fields, to the point where he's got a few mobile ones he uses like energy tentacles, and he turned an apartment into a sort of second body. Also has the arm of a saint attached to himself, which is so conceptually buff it lets him briefly tank some of Shiki's stabs.

>>51557983
Huh, must've missed that then.

>>51557970
Of the Universe 16 Group: Consisting of Vegito, Son Bra, and Gotenks. Two of whom are fusions and the other is a female Broly.

Universe 18 Gohan has a three way tie for second place with Goku, Vegeta, and him. Gotenks is the strongest* from 18 due to being a fusion.

*When it comes to raw power, he is still a complete idiot.

>>51558010
You keep citing this info without really supporting it. Why is Gohan tied with Goku or Vegeta in the canon universe, when that's the place where he hasn't been training and the other two have constantly been training?

So would anyone actually care for the finished Clustertruck gauntlet, or should I just leave it sitting on my desktop and faff around doing other things?

I mean it is subpar content like most of my other stuff so, I leave it up to thread in this instance.

>>51558029
>According to Salagir, Each species has a maximum limit. Although it is unlikely they ever reach said limit, Gohan basically can access his absolute maximum. His mystic ability is the strongest he will ever be able to get, he can not become stronger than this, even, again according to Salagir, with training. The unlock also removes inconveniences like the act of transforming, rage inducement, energy cost (includes time limit), or strain.

Salagir is the author of DBZM, the above is one of his departures from the primary canon.

>>51558035
>finished Clustertruck gauntlet
Yesss.

I have no idea what that is, but it sounds interesting.

Anyone got any good mango recommendations?
I don't really know whats good and whats shit but I just burned through the OPM and Mob 100 ones and am left wanting more.

>>51558071
How's that related to him being tied with Goku and Vegeta? Didn't you guys just talk about how the species limit is full of shit so this must just be his personal limit?

>>51558035
I'm interested.

>>51558035
>Clustertruck gauntlet
Yes, do it.

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>>51558010

>Son Bra is a female Broly


I wonder how she would react to the actual female Broly in Super?

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>>51558081
It's a real fun game on Steam. Premise is simple yet amazing - you're running and jumping on the backs of trucks trying to reach the finish line.

Said finish line is usually after: Well, okay. Have a demonstration
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7QO_sufDVs

>>51558090
>>51558133
>>51558081
Welp.

Prepare for disappointment, you'll be in the same club my high school prom date is in.

>>51558180
Awesome

>>51555742
Three. It sure is a bargain!

>>51555951
Mate, that is fucking amazing. I'll add that in and mark it as a suggestion from Anon. I wrote it originally on inspiration based on an old idea at 3 AM but you took the thoughts out of my mind and made them prettier.

>>51558180
God dammit and I have to leave too. :'(

Well, at least I'll have something awesome for me to check out when I get back!

>>51558071
That's really kind of stupid, and goes against the general narrative of Dragon ball, where basically everyone can always get stronger, even after having their potential unlocked they can still get stronger. But I guess that's fanfiction for you.

>>51558029
>>51558089
After going back through the Navel for sources I found that I was mistaken, Goku's power is not really confirmed and Vegeta is decidedly weaker than Gohan.

My apologies.
Source.
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/fanfic_dbm_en/chapter-3.html

Salagir also gives some useful information on this topic in the fist comment of this page.
http://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-278.html#h_read

>>51558216
Sorry to bother you with a DBZ Jump question and its probably a dumb one, but I'm just curious. the Potara Earrings, lets say I fuse with Person A for an hour, we diffuse, can Person A give their earring to Person B and allow me to fuse with him for an hour? Can I experiment with my fusions?

>>51558252
>He also went on to say Broly is invulnerable in LSSJ
Starting to get a Wildbow feel from this guy, where his comments don't actually match up with what happens in the story.

>>51558218
Might wanna reduce the prize of the perk to 600 CP then, because something that only works when you embody a single concept isn't really worth 800 CP. Not to mention the fact that it will also affect our personality.

>>51558279
Sure. It's only permanent if you decide to take both earrings off while remaining fused. If you want to check out how things are you can just defuse when you want and try a different pair.

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>>51558296
Forgot the trip.

What are some good romance perks?

>>51558288
Yea he buffed Broly a lot, basically the only way to beat him is to blast him into something fuck huge like a star. It sill isn't the star that gets him though; it is the "shock" that pulls him out of the form, which is bullshit but that is how he decided to do things.

>>51558292
I guess you probably have a rather good point there. But it only potentially effects personality, the potential is so a player can have FUN with it!

>>51558180
Glorious.

>>51558338
Yeah, Wildbow it is.

>>51555037
I just want Demon with Spirit of Anarchy...

>>51558180
That FAQ is goddamn magical.

So's the rest of the jump, but still.

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>>51558035
>>51558180

The trucks must flow!

Drawbacks: Where the Blacktop Ends, Jerky Jalopy, Shut Up & Drive, Midnight Highway, Racin' the Red Lights, Trouble on the Turnpike, Highway to Hell (1100)

Truckin' USA! (Free)
Leg To Stand On (Free)
Trucker Hat (Free)
Loyal Stead (950)
Breaker One-Niner (750)
Hundred-Mile Coffee (600)
SUPER TRUCK SUPER TRUCK (100)
Grappling Hook (0)

Well. On the plus side-I guess I'm the first to have found out just where that black hole in that one Dr. Who episode leads to. I can hear the furious roars of TruckSatan from all the way over here. It could be worse. At least it's not TruckLucifer. Truckcifer?

On the downside, it seems being an an omnipresent expanse of eternal flame is technically something that benefits mobility, so-I seem to have been locked into a regular person-joten. Note to self: Ask regular Odin whether TruckOdin exists or not once I get out of here. But fortunately, synchronicity waves technically arent.

Anyway, as any good clustertrucker knows there is no such thing as bad traffic. Vehicles colliding into other vehicles just gives you a little more landing place.

And here we go. Everything's just sort of piling into everything else, while I skip over the top, activate SUPER TRUCK and SUPER TRUCK SUPER my way over to wallrun off that one wall, fire up the ol' First Excellency to shimmy past that flipping truck, feel the ground fall under my feat and TRUCK SUPER TRUCK my way into the parallel lane of trucks.

All the while holding up this one friendly truck with my own two hands, which I will use to pole vault over the finish line. Because that's what two best friends are for: To enable sick backflips, right?

>>51558086
I've a feeling most of what I like isn't what you'd like, so-let's go with Knights of Sidonia since it's the most straightforward Nihei manga I know of.

Unless it turns out you enjoy horror. In which case-Franken Fran, Oyasumi Punpun, Monster and anything by Junji Ito.

>>51558361
You leave and stay gone

>>51558180
Just watching gameplay of it and it looks pretty insane. I definitely want to play it.

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>>51558296
>>51558306
Thats awesome. Thanks a bunch Val! I was really interested in knowing just what happens when certain companions get fused with me, like Doomguy or Kumagawa. Seriously this is a great jump.

>>51558396
Don't let him get to you, anon.

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>>51558180
>That post-jump Unlimited Truck Works
This is now my favorite attack, I don't even care if it helps me, or not. I'm going to open every important fight with this.

Gilgamesh calling me a mongrel? Trucks.

Aizen just as planned? Trucks.

Is there anything that could even possibly EVEN TOUCH Madara Uchiha? Trucks.

Edward offended my delicate sensibilities by sparkling? Honk, honk, motherfucker!

>>51558346
Then you should clarify that in the jump, because right now it reads like it's mandatory. Also, I'm still for the price reduction, because compared to the past version that gave us the potential to become as strong as Lucifer or Judgement, it seems kind weak, powerlevel wise at least. Thematically it's pretty neat though.

>>51556644
You stop having to do that as a Vasto Lorde.

>>51558418
Didn't he clarify it gave that same effect as the old one, plus this new one though? I don't think it should be reduced in price when it does everything and more. Not increasing the price already stretches things a bit.

>>51558381
I told Ancilla to hit me with the stupidest series of questions imaginable, and they'd take my answers off Skype and put them into the FAQ.

It was also 3 in the morning.

>>51558379
Either buy Hybrid or don't take any demon perks then.

>>51558418
>>51558450
I'm letting people interpret the power level. So depending on how you view it Judgements curb stomp could be either a special ability that let's her put the smack down on assholes that deserve it or her general physical prowess.

>>51557531
>According to the Author of DBZM every race has a peak of power they can possess, Gohan is at that at all times so he has no need for those forms which would just be a waste of energy for him.
So you can't get stronger than the Mystic form? Since that's the peak of you power.

>>51558509
Well the jumpmaker has said you can anyway so I guess the perk makes you the only one who can grow stronger from that point.

>>51558410
>Edward offended my delicate sensibilities
SB?

>>51558450
>>51558490
Well, not really. The peak is the same, but to reach it you need to dedicate yourself to a particular archetype or theme, so its utility is far reduced.

Anyway, just clarify that the change of personality is up to the jumper and it's fine.

>>51558410
Apply sting to one of the trucks and use it as a melee weapon for the rest of the fight.

>>51558526
Nah, I don't even have an account. I just skim SB now and then so I can spot the cross-site shitposting bait, and so I'll have a heads up if they're about to post something stupid here.

>>51557688
>But the other half is her childhood friend.
Wouldn't stop Bulma. At one point in the Namek saga she comments how she's noticed how much of a man Goku is now and regrets not hooking up with him.

>>51557688
>>51558648
Bulma was always a slut, and years of dating a Yamcha are not likely to make one picky about things.

>>51557845
You're really insistent on your headcanons. Annoying person.

>>51558144
LSSJ is canon now, at least in her universe. Broly fans should be at least a little happy.

>>51558701
I had some mistaken information anon, I corrected myself with sources here >>51558252.

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>>51558669
Poor Yamcha, he was my favorite character back in the old DB days.

>>51558338
>>51558363
>>51558288
His power level is maximum.

>>51558743
Yamcha a shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POBHsZXe3UA

>>51558303
Did his ship get sunk?

>>51558743
Did you know there's a badass cyborg Yamcha in Multiverse?

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So RWBY Vol 4 ended.

Ren fucks up the centaur grimm. Juane's sword can turn into a great sword if kept in sheath. _WBY & RNJR are meeting up in Mistral. Qrow survives the poison & Oz is back as Oscar. Apparently this isn't a new thing, as Qrow is glad to have Oz back and isn't least bit phased by Oscar asking for his cane back.

New volume coming later this year.

>>51558743
He has his own spinoff now about a guy reincarnated as Yamcha who goes on a mission not to suck.

>>51558769
Really? That sounds cool. But I'm still willing to bet he doesn't make it past the first round.

>>51558798
That's news to me. Link?

>>51558814
>But I'm still willing to bet he doesn't make it past the first round.
Correct, he forfeits a sure win as part of his efforts to give Genocide 18 a redemption arc.

>>51558814
http://plus.shonenjump.com/rensai_detail.html?item_cd=SHSA_JP02PLUS00005918_57

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>>51558827
She may be an evil monster, but she is cute.

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>>51553932
That's kinda the point of LoT part2. My rule in that case was mostly about "survive the god damn orks". Buy more broadly speaking Justice is a fair ruler when he runs a city/nation/world. He actively attempts to care for the community and attempts to get them involved in helping one another.

>>51554219
>Making a living being
>Wrong
No. No it is not. Hell I've introduced species I really like to other settings before. Like Hork-Bajir, though I make them a bit smarter than canonical ones.

>>51555767
Ja. That's a good portion of my interactions with the benefactor, they like to mess with me/trip me up.

>>51556297
I would love you forever if you made a Dominions jump.

>>51558303
I said a few threads back, "Nora is Best Girl and I like her, but if they derail the Nora/Ren ship with a cheap death I'm gonna be pissed".
There are reasons I didn't chase after Nora in the RWBY jump, despite Nora being awesome.

>>51558868
Indeed, I intend to help with the whole redemption thing and then waifu her.

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So then. Angel or Demon?

>>51558891
Nay, we are but men

>>51558891
Both. Harem perks bro.

>>51558891
Why not both?

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>>51558891

>>51558827
Well, she a cute robofu, if a bit psycho. Good for him.
>>51558829
Damn moonrune site isn't working for me, but I did find a translation on YT, it looks like it could be fun.

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>>51558891
>he has to ask

>>51558891
Fallen Angels. Does that count as both?

>>51558891
Demons are scum, so angel of course.

>>51558891
Yes, except in the settings where they suck, then no.

Now that I'm not distracted with an LFR full of fuck-ups:

>>51558216
>>51558218
>>51558356

The only reason it made it this far was because of three chucklefucks contributing. And those chucklefucks are amazing people.

>>51558403
It's pretty fantastic, not gonna lie.

>>51558388
Quick note on your build: Highway to Hell requires taking The Longest Road first.

Beyond that, the only question I have for you - what design is your Trucker Hat.

>>51558410
... Man. This is why I missed this place on occasion.

The utterly goofy and ridiculous shenanigans.

I hope the second reward's also up to snuff?

>>51559007

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>>51558786
Nuckelavee grimm. Because it has a horse's head too, and no humanoid legs.
Dose rubber-band arms and whirlwind attack, tho

>>51558180
>The One-Armed Anon
Wow, and somehow it's actually not shit.

>>51559052
I like that we're seeing Grimm with more varied abilities. For the first three volumes the Nevermore was the only one of them that wasn't a pure melee combatant.

Couple of questions.

What is Lunar shapeshifting like when it comes to the human form?

How powerful is Morrigan from Darkstalkers?

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>>51559027
Whoops. Aw truck, this is gonna be a long clustertruck.

Drawbacks: Where the Blacktop Ends, Jerky Jalopy, Shut Up & Drive, Midnight Highway, Racin' the Red Lights, Trouble on the Turnpike, Highway to Hell, The Longest Road (1400)

Truckin' USA! (Free)
Leg To Stand On (1300)
Trucker Hat (Free)
Trucker Flip (1100)
Loyal Stead (950)
Breaker One-Niner (750)
Hundred-Mile Coffee (600)
SUPER TRUCK SUPER TRUCK (100)
Grappling Hook (0)

Also, the first syllable of my name. Which means the hat is constantly on fire, but still technically succeeds at keeping the sun out of my eyes.

By blocking it with fire.

>>51559027
>the second reward
Most definitely. I just already have a few ways of doing that. Although, none of them have quite as much style as traveling The Grand Highway.
>>51559122
Like having your brains smashed in by a slice of lemon wrapped round a large gold brick.

Strong enough to bitchslap 69 wizards at once.

how strong does an attack has to be to seriously hurt someone with Avalon?2

>>51559230
From Fate? I think theoretically speaking attack power is meaningless before it.

>>51559230
Strong enough to smash their brain.

>>51558180
Do sensory perks count as assisting in mobility? What about enhanced dexterity or perfect awareness of your body?

>>51559102
I agree, most Grimm shown seem to rely only on Zerg rushing their enemies with superior numbers which almost never works out.

The Grimm need more credible feets so that audience thinks of them as more than just the canon fodder enemies that literally every hunter can strike down in the hundreds.

BUT relating to jumpchain how would you guys design your Grimm if you took the Abyssal semblance?

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>>51559122
>What is Lunar shapeshifting like when it comes to the human form?
You shapeshift into a specific human form you've learned, same as any shape.

Which you learn by killing a human and tasting their blood, or with the refinement knacks, by knocking them unconscious or having sex with 'em.

There's a knack to shapeshift your hair length and clothes to whatever you want when you take the form, as well as one to genderbend your forms.

And a few more to also take their Fate and a tiny bit their skills. And also a charm to access their memories.

It's generally the same as animal forms.

>>51559272
Does shapeshfting cost Essence? What are knacks? Are they like Lunar-specific Charms?

>>51558881
>I didn't chase after Nora
Oh you didn't? I thought you did. Okay, I'll stop then.

>>51559272
Do you have any pictures of how Adjourn looks in her semi human form I can't any of her

>>51559307
Way back when I noticed how RWBY is made of characters who are based on Fairy Tales, Mythology, Legend, etc.
Then I noticed there was no Gaston.
So I spent 10 years as the Gaston-expy, all for my own amusement. I even "chased" after Worst Girl for the sake of the joke.

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>>51559356
>worst girl

Okay now we have to fight. How is this the only picture I have of her?

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>>51559272
>Does shapeshfting cost Essence?
Yes. A single mote for your human and animal true forms, five motes for your warform, and three motes for all other forms.

This is only a cost to change though, when you're in the form you don't need to commit essence to sustain it.

>What are knacks? Are they like Lunar-specific Charms?
Pretty much. They're the shapeshifting refinement powers, which Lunars have in addition to Charms.

They let you take different shapes, instead of only the starting animal forms. And allow you to do some other tricks like appearance tweaks, genderbending, shapeshifting faster, and melding into the ground.

>>51559355
I don't have any, no.

I could try to find some, but don't hold your breath.

>>51559265
If it doesn't allow you to skip huge swathes of the Gauntlet with no effort, it's allowed in. Sensory perks would just be of use in navigation, while enhanced dexterity and bodily awareness would be more for the actual clustertrucking, making it easier but still requiring effort in the long run.

>>51559287
Shapeshifting does cost Essence, but very little. And Knacks are kind of a cludged-together rule to keep shapeshifting a Lunars-only thing so that Eclipsoids (Eclipse, Moonshadow and Fiend castes) can't acquire it with their ability to learn other Exalteds' Charms. They're technically not Charms, so those abilities don't let you learn them. In the end it just makes Lunars' statblocks more clunky. Ironically, they'd later come up with a Charm keyword, "Native", that prevents anyone but the people who were meant to learn that charm from learning it. Despite this being a good way to simplify the Knack issue, the Scroll of Errata doesn't turn Knacks into Native Charms. Seems a bit silly to me.

>>51559379
Because I keep posting it at appropriate moments.

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>>51559379
Because you dont have an entire folder dedicated to following twitter artists who draw your waifu

>>51559265
I'd design them looking like the more normal Grimm, but having unexpected upgrades. Beowulves that explode when you kill them so that them swarming you is a bigger threat, Deathstalkers that can shoot lasers from their tails so that keeping your distance isn't viable, King Taijitus that can shed their skin to make briefly-lived copies and make tracking the heads even harder.

>>51558730

... I wonder if it would be wise to try waifuing her once we learn more about her in Super?

>>51559384
Is your strength reduced to body-mod levels, or even less? For the strength and height of your jumping.

>>51559379
Literally the worst girl.
At least Yang has a massive rack to make up for being a shit. Blake doesn't even have that.

>>51559379
She is. She has both an unlikable personality and the worst character design of any of the main cast.

>>51559449
For jumping, strength is lowered to body-mod. Punch the trucks all you want though, that's still viable.

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>>51559448
>I wonder if it would be wise to try waifuing her
The hell does wisdom have to do with anything? Don't let your dreams be memes. JUST GIVE IT!

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>>51559265
I didn't take the Abyssals semblance, but if I did-well, a big shadow monster seems really impractical on several levels. I'd try to make them really small instead, so they're both harder to hit and blend in easier. Make them smaller than insects. Also drastically increase their ability to coordinate in packs, and their metabolism. Focus everything on speed, durability, bite strength, regeneration and rate of reproduction; throw in asexual budding or something while I'm at it so the Grimm can form into swarms. Finally I'd make it so they could puppet the bodies of defeated foes since aura's a pretty valuable source of energy.

So yes, basically the Vashta Nerada

>>51559462
...who even is the "best" girl in RWBY? Some days you guys make it sound like there are only varying degrees of worst girl.

>>51559255
>>51559230
Brain or heart, technically. IIRC the nasusplanation is that the core of a person's soul is in their brain/heart though, so stuff that directly targets a soul may or may not bypass it as well depending on the buffness of the attack. It's been a while since I've checked that pary, though.

Alternatively, an 7th or higher dimensional attack or a supernatural force that can reasonably be said to surpass the True Magics. It's worth noting that certain really nasty conceptual attacks like Gae Bolg or a charged Ea, while SURVIVEABLE, will leave Avalon's owner injured for a bit while the phantasm finishes healing you.

Can I import Stasis Pod companions as capital c Companions? That is, granting them perks and backgrounds in new Jumps?

>>51559634
In my homerule, that's the only way to do so.

>>51559634
In general I believe that the consensus is yes, but it doesn't change them from pod companion to normal companion.

>>51559634
Yes, but they remain Pod People. You can't free up a pod this way.

>>51559634
>granting them perks and backgrounds in new Jumps
Yes, but they still count as pod people, as in they still need the pod to follow you.

>>51559615
Shouldn't Gae Bolg or Ea be able to destroy the brain or heart?

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>>51558180
CLUSTERTRUCK
> SUPER TRUCK SUPER TRUCK [-500CP]
> Truckin’ USA [Get a Freebie!]
> Leg To Stand On [Got a Tempjob!]
> Trucker Hat [Get a Freebie!]
> Rickety Jetpack [-50CP]
> Grappling Hook [-100CP]
> Midnight Highway [+50CP]
> Where The Blacktop Ends [+50CP]
> Dashboard Melting [+50CP]
> Shut Up & Drive [+100CP]
> Burma Shave [+100CP]
> I Hit The Road and the Road Hit Back [+300CP]

Superhot is basically easy mode. That is probably why it's so expensive. Between it and the Grappling Hook, this almost becomes more of a puzzle game. The jetpack is used more for last minute jump adjustments, followed by a brief admonishment of "well, shit."

I am in a tremendous amount of pain.

My favorite parts were oddly the points where I could just stand on top of the truck and wait for it to take me places. Thanks to Superhot, these lasted quite awhile, but were kindof boring.

I often used my hair or tails for balance, occasionally ripped up or transmuted parts of trucks to walk atop of, and at one point attempted to punch through the windshield and drive a truck while standing on its hood, which caused it to swerve erratically off a bridge and then explode.

I am in a tremendous amount of pain.

It also took me a couple tries to get used to the physics of grappling, jetpacking, and jumping while moving at incredible speeds, which lead to a few instances of slamming into the side of a truck or toppling one over.

I am in a tremendous amount of pain.

>>51559658
>>51559663
>>51559671
>>51559675
Okay, that's what I thought. Just wasn't sure if the Stasis Pod made them like, living equipment or something. Part of the Warehouse. Thanks.

>>51559615
>there are only varying degrees of worst girl.
Now you're getting it. It's a sliding scale of Worst RWBY

For the record, Phyrra is least-worst.

>>51559272
>You shapeshift into a specific human form you've learned, same as any shape.
>Which you learn by killing a human and tasting their blood, or with the refinement knacks, by knocking them unconscious or having sex with 'em.
>There's a knack to shapeshift your hair length and clothes to whatever you want when you take the form, as well as one to genderbend your forms.

Can you mix and match human forms?

>>51559720
Jaune is best girl. Even Tyrian agrees, and he hates everyone not named Salem.

>>51559769
Can't argue with that logic.
On the other hand, that would mean stealing him from Phyrra, and that's just not volleyball.
On the third hand, banging Phyrra means stealing her from Weiss. Decisions decisions.

>>51559821
The correct solution is to shove everyone into Ruby's harem, and join in yourself.

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>>51559750
Nope. You might be able to get some mutations based on specific human forms in others, but Lunars do not mix and match /any/ forms.

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>>51559769
>forgetting actual Best Girl.

>>51559931
Too young.

Damn pedos.

>>51559849
Ironically, this means that Alchemicals are actually far better at shapeshifting into human forms than Lunars are. They can do specific people or freeform. They can't turn into animals, though.

>>51559702
>occasionally ripped up or transmuted parts of trucks to walk atop of
Nah, but you can't do that. It says nothing that would help mobility, and it lists "web-slinging" as invalid, so that would probably count as well.

>>51559961
The only reason lunars turn into animals is because they love beastiality.

>>51559846
Eh, Ruby doesn't really tickle my pickle. Not even S4 Ruby.

>>51559382
Does Chimera-shifting cost motes?

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>>51560075
Hm. But in the FAQ it says you CAN form platforms beneath your feet to double jump indefinitely?
Which is probably a thing I can do, actually, but I thought "using truck parts to get to other trucks" sounded cooler.
Although that also sounds kindof weird, because I'm pretty sure temporary platforms don't count as "truck", and the jump says the only thing you can stand on is "truck".
Although that's also not what happens in the game, since in the game you can very clearly stand on falling objects and the like, as long as you never touch the actual ground.

I also didn't web sling. I used tails and hair to maintain balance. It's, like, using hands for balance, except you have more of them. Just imagine me gripping onto the top of a truck with my everything while screaming and that's what happened.
Unless you mean the grappler? But that's a thing you buy, so I think it would be exempt.

So I guess there are a lot of questions to be had about exactly what powers are allowed here.

>>51560124
I was going to say Ruby(or your waifu of choice here), but then I realized that none of the others seem to be the sort to have a harem, as where Ruby really strikes me as the sort.

>>51560075
>>51560189
Fukken. I really shoulda clarified that thing as a post-jump mechanic, not in-jump. My bad.

Honestly, the big thing is trying to avoid things that cheese the whole damn thing. I'm trying to be hands off with this, but it looks like I'm gonna have to ask Ancilla to add an "examples" page for the Q&A.

Again, sorry.

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>>51559961
Well, yeah, Alchemicals are better at /looking/ like other people. Just like Solars/Abyssals and Infernals are better at it with their disguise charms.

But they don't actually take other people's forms like Lunars do, with their Physical Attributes, other stuff like memories and fate, and all.

So it's a matter of what you want from it.

Using shapeshifting as a disguise is almost always worse than just taking the form of a fly or something anyway.

>>51560172
Depends on what Chimera Knacks you're using.

All of the decribed stuff except for the regen costs motes, yes.

Would it be reasonable to assume that a someone with Narnia Witchcraft would be able to manipulate the classical elements on a basic level? A handful of fire, a pitcherful of water, a gust of wind, some dust?

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>>51558891
Titan. Primordial fire is one hell of a drug.

Though I often get along with angels in the worlds that uphold the gift of Will rather than tyrannical demiurges.

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>>51560248
Oh, okay! Sorry if I was confused.

... the in-jump purchases work just fine, though, right? Because Grappling Hook + Super Truck is actually the crux of my strategy here, more than anything else.

I mean, it'd be pretty easy to say, "Oh, well then I guess I don't do that then" with all the other stuff, because that's just there for wacky jumper funtimes.
But that particular combo was really how I saw myself making it through most of the game, and if it doesn't work, then I'll actually have to think of something else.

I just want to feel like we're on the same page here.

>>51560340
Everything else is fine, yes. The alchemy bits I'm honestly having to ponder on as they're kind've an outlier, but everything else is okay.

>>51558881
>I would love you forever if you made a Dominions jump.
Sorry I was just asking. I don't have the basic skills necessary to make a good jump.

>>51559615
>varying degrees of worst girl.

Pretty much. For all that it can be oddly fun to watch, the writing is strictly amateur-grade.

>>51560307
But can my Lunar companion waifus give themselves fluffy ears and tails?

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>>51560784
Of course! They could even switch out the kinds of fluffy ears and tails depending on what you'd like that day.

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Have you ever had a moment when you wanted to kill everyone in a setting?

>>51560803
Yay! Now we can orgies filled with fluffy tails.

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>>51558891
Demon Souls

>>51560897
There are few problems that can't be solved with Fiendfyre.

>>51560897
Not really though that's mainly because I'm super apathetic towards most things.

>>51560803
out of curiosity, would you mind if we rule that if we didnt take our lunar mate in infernals, the exaltation we get in lunar is our bondmate shard?

>>51560897
Commoragh. I would have felt it in Elfen Lied and Black Bullet, but there were a few people in both settings that I actually cared about, but I definitely felt it Commoragh. That place was given a one way trip to oblivion.

>>51560969
>That place was given a one way trip to oblivion.
How did you manage that?

>>51560979
Well, during the Commoragh jump, I brought in the Asgard to eradicate each part of the Dark City, using Dimensional Travel perks like Doormaker and 2nd True Magic to reach every part of it, since parts of it are in different parts of the Webway, as I recall. I then used the mini Afterlives from Actraiser to contain the souls to make sure that Slaanesh didn't get any of them.

Right, gotta ask you guys for a favor. Phantom hourglass is a direct sequel to wind waker, but I've never played it.

Please list a few things from it you want the see in the wind waker jump.

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>>51560914
Yay!

>>51560968
You'd need to take the continuity drawback (because otherwise you'd be bonded to a different continuity's Lunar), but otherwise I don't mind at all.

...You might end up getting a bond to yourself the moment you look into a mirror though. Not sure how that would work.

>>51561071

eh I just dont want to deal with a potentially annoying Solar bond if I can help it.

but speaking of continuity if we have multiple visits in Exalted we can choose which one I presume?

>>51561056
a water Temple we can deploy to stall our enemies.

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>>51561144
>eh I just dont want to deal with a potentially annoying Solar bond if I can help it.
That's fair enough.

Though keep in mind Creation is pretty damn big, and Solars don't usually travel /that/ much. It's pretty likely you'll never meet them anyway, especially in just 10 years.

>but speaking of continuity if we have multiple visits in Exalted we can choose which one I presume?
I don't see why not. So, sure, you can.

>>51561056

Phantom Knights

>>51561056
A boat. A paddle steamer with a cannon. And a salvage arm.
Cyclone Slate fast travel system.
Obligatory fairy companion HEY LISTEN.

Would Doctor Doom be interested in me unlocking his potential via the DBM perk and teaching him how to use Ki?

>>51561276
Why would you do that?

Where I should go after DBM If I promise too Buu that if he surrender I will take him to world where he will have many worthy opponents ?

>>51561276
Yes. Doom seeks all forms of power and control of all forms of power. He is already an accomplished martial artist. In his own miniseries the guy kills a lion with his bare hands in a single strike (then skins it and makes clothing because he was naked at the time).
Yeah Doom would go for the potential unlocking and Ki. Most likely then altering his armor so that it increases his abilities with Ki because he is Doom.

>>51561388
DC, Marvel, or Worm; then hide in your warehouse with popcorn. However it goes it would be a good show.

>>51561397
More Buu-level opponents than in Dragon Ball? /Maybe/ Marvel or DC.

>>51561388
Xianxia.

>>51561397
>>51561551

and this is the point where we might want a Bastard! jump.

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>>51560897
In Hunter x Hunter, I had weird memories of being born from the Ant Queen as a prodigy, and then rather than stay and guide the rest, instead moving out into the world to learn more of it.
I wouldn't say that I was a "pacifist", or even "good", but among the ants I was the most outright benign, wanting to see if there was a way to interact with the world beyond simple food and genetic material.
I "woke up" in Heavens Arena, just as a fight came onscreen. It was interesting. Being new to the world, both in terms of my origin birth and a jumper, I thought it looked like fun and games. So I stayed, and studied other fighters, and even fought a bit.

But the thing about that world is... it's all about strength. If you're strong you can do whatever you want. There are assassins and monsters. There's a pretty substantial body count in the series, and to most people it's just a case of "oh well".
That's just how it is.

I became disillusioned.
And then, one day I found out the Chimera Ants had been wiped out.
They weren't exactly "benign", but they weren't unintelligent. To find out they'd been completely crushed as if they were bugs came as a shock.
There were few survivors. Those few that were flocked to me of all people for guidance.

I felt helpless, and I wanted to lash out.
... but I wasn't strong enough.

From that day on, I trained to protect the few that survived.
And I hated every minute of it.

Hisoka still teases me to this day.

>>51561577
Rule 1

>>51561601
yes I know
though I dont think I would help my case if my first jump is one with a more ridiculous escalation than DBZ ever had

>>51561656
I thought it was low solar system level at most?

Anyway, just do it competently. As of DBM we have a jump that lets you start out powerful enough to blow up a good chunk of a galaxy.

>>51561685
Not him, but it's easily universe-level at the end.

>>51561702
Seriously? What kind of setting is this?

>>51561702
Oh. Damn. Still, you can get that if you take the Super drawback and train your ass off. Or go to Generic Xianxia for an eternity or two.

So make people start lower and work for their power?

>>51561735
it starts out as a D&D inspired medieval world with lots of heavy metal shoutouts and inspirations. Then in true heavy metal fashion demon hordes and the devil get involved. really just image the most metal album cover that you know as the setting

>>51561702
As long as people aren't getting Seraph levels just by purchases, it should be fine.

Dispel Bound alone would make the jump worth it.

It's basically the perfect defense and escalates with you. Meaning that one that is weaker than you will never be able to hurt you, and the ones that are will still have a thought time to do it.

>>51561685
Well, you would need to go Super to do that. Even Kid Buu 'supposed' destroying of the universe involved him blowing up all the planets/solar systems one by one, and eventually reaching the Supreme Kai's planet.

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>>51561735
Metal Covers: The Manga.

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>>51561735
>>51561805
And boobs.

>>51561884
Those boobs look interesting, tell me more.

>>51561913
I'm pretty sure that's the main bad-ass's adopted daughter.

>>51561884
...That clothing, though.

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>>51561882
>>51561805
Not a manga, but if you're looking for metal covers in each page, you should take a look at this.

>>51561882

For those that dont know that on the left is the MC called DARK SCHNEIDER

When faced with a fire immune efreet what does he do?
CAst a flame spell(called Exodus ofc) hot enough to burn through the efreets immunity of course! this is very early story wise by the way

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZXR7wrL3Hw

>>51562000
>gets naked
That's how you know some serious magic is about to happen.

>>51561937
I'm waiting for a jump there just so I can give them the Commorragh treatment.

>>51562019
Clothes are expensive, you don't want them being burned.

>>51561937
Funny, while the upper half was still all that was loaded, I at first thought that was a stylized interpretation of Final Fantasy 9.

>>51562041
I guess it's the magical equivalent of taking off your shirt before brawling?

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>>51561913
Dark elf lightning swordmage she'sadoptedsoit'stotallynotincest boobs.

>>51562036
Extreme use of friendship perks?

>>51561702
You could potentially achieve that level in DBM if you took the Super drawback and went back to an early divergence point so you can train like a fucking madman for millions of years. Of course it would come with the issue of having to fight bullshit like Beerus and Whis to finish the jump but it's theoretically possible if you go back to an early enough divergence point and train your ass off for a long, long time.

If you reach Whis level then there's not much in existence that can beat you in terms of raw power. You're looking at destroying the fucking universe simply as a result of not holding back.

>>51562064
>Go Super Drawback
>Get that perk from Generic XIanxia that forces people to teach you
>Get Gohan's leven and Saiyan/cell's race
>Get some kind of Time Room for your training with Whiis

There, you will hit the universe buster level in no time before the tournament.

>>51562064
Or, since Broly's power can apparently endlessly escalate as long as he's pissed and transformed, just go Majin and eat him while he's frozen.

>>51562103
Question.

What do you guys even use galaxy/universe busters for, anyways?

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in Bastard the MCs favourite spell is called Venom.
It looks like this

>>51562160
What do you use your galaxy-sized super robot for?

Multiversal dick measuring.

>>51562160
Same reason you need a ship that's bigger than a galaxy: cosmic dick measuring.

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Actually, Beerus and Whis are a thing in Multiverse.

>>51562160
Being even a slight distraction to some of the worst beings in the multi-verse.