Age of Sigmar General /aosg/

So how do the Stormcast deal with the whole "slow army isn't competitive" thing? Do you spam Prosecutors or always take the deep strike battalion?

>>51554014
The new chocobo riders

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I've got this big chunk of wood. It's been boiled, dried, sanitized, etc so I know there's nothing living in it. I figured it might make some cool Sylvanethy terrain if I seal it up and add foliage stuff to it.

Does anyone know if there is an easy way to seal it so it doesn't rot and maybe stop little bits from breaking off it?

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I think i'm finished with my ogroid. http://imgur.com/a/A07Jt is the rest of the pictures since I don't wanna spam the thread.

>>51554014
>always take the deep strike battalion?

You know literally all their battalion make them deepstrike ? Also a vexillor can TP any deathstar anywhere on the board.

So yeah it's "just" bataillons

>>51554355
i think u should make upper half blazing orange with nive blending in middle . This should make him stand out more

>>51554628
Do you mean the entire ogre or the mane? Because I think giving the body more colours would make him look weird I think.

>>51554169
Spray sealant?

>>51554169

polyurethane

you can find spray-on cans at any hardware store

you can also brush it, which will be more substantial protection, but quite a bit more work

I've got about 1k points of bloodbound now
Like, everything from the starter set + the start collecting box...
What should I go for now? I wanted to get some ranged support... what should I use, skull cannon?

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i mean upperbody and i u would do that change mane for blue or something too pop out .sometimes colour teory is good to know

>>51554713

I find soul grinder a lot better than Skull Cannons. One shot per turn means they're very unreliable. They can be helped a lot by the Bloodsecrator, though so can the soul grinder.

If you're not too big into theme/fluff, warp lightning cannons are also great.

So like whats up with tomb kings? They just stop making the models? are they going to make new ones? Should i still Ebay a fucking truck load of skelemen?

>>51554788
Squated my friend
You can buy from ebay or look in privete shops maybe have got some battalion on store.

>>51554788
We gotta make a fucking petition or something.

>>51554731
meant for >>51554355

>>51554731
>>51554984
I can see what you mean, i'll give it a try and come back to you guys with progress.

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>>51554788
ew no those skelemen are mcuh too dated. Just grab some Vampire Count ones and replace their shields with casts from the Tomb King's range. Much better looking.

Am I missing something or is the new SC book not yet on preorder despite the WD's announcement?

>>51555098
I can't find anything other than the new 40K preorders on any site either...

Anyone got the sylveneth rules on hand? cant find anything more than point values and such.

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quick test of adding more orange to him

>>51554169
So you killed all life in it to play with your plastic life-god miatures?
Fantastic.

Since OP couldn't be arsed, I'm posting the Hinterlands' link. Someone with not-shit connection could paste it on the raw resources post: http://www.tga.community/files/file/19-hinterlands-skirmish-campaigns-in-the-mortal-realms-by-sam-james/

>>51555459
Download the app or the free pdfs from GW's actual website you dingus.

Is someone here or we can officially say this thread is dead?

>>51556158
I think everyone's busy jacking it to Rowboat in 40kg.

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>>51556158
Australia's awake post some shit

>>51556220
More like harping about the end of 40k and the beginning of Age of the Emperor. Christ, whomever leaked those images deserves to be chained alone in a room filled with mawkrushas. Toxicity is a great word to describe the current situation due to the sodium overdose.

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>>51556227
Lazy pic because they're still wip, but this is my /AoS/ today, first 10 Bloodreavers are progressing and should be done early next week.

By the way, speaking of harping: how's T9A going in your area? Just to know how their "alternative" is going.

>>51556362

There are a few people at my local club (Oslo, Norway) that play 9A and KoW, AoS is growing though.

40K is utterly dead here, although that will likely change when 8th rolls around.

what should I get for an orruk army?

>>51557088
Which flavor you want?
-Greenskinz? Get SC! Wyvern-boss and lotsa boys.
-Bonespliterz? Buy tons of savage boyz, arming the majority of them with bows, have at least 1-2 box of everything else.
-Ironjawz? Buy 2 start collecting boxes and 1 box of megaboss and brutes.If you want to, get rid of the Gore-gruntas but, contrary to popular belief, they are decent for a starter player.

>>51557307
im going greenskin.
do I need a lot of heroes to boost my boyz?
was thinking having grimgor and a unit of black orcs in it as well just for adding some extra flavor

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>>51556220
I'm at best ambivalent about Girlyman's new mini, but Cypher is gorgeous and I've been deliberating how to AoS-ify him. I figure his armor has very little visible powered elements past the backpack, so if I remove that and the two pistols I'd be on the right way. Make his plasma hand instead hold a warhammer/broadsword/maul slung over his shoulders and replace the boltpistol with a blunderbuss.

I disagree with the best model voting results. Roidrage Traumaturge should've been number one. Newfags love extremely busy and outlandish designs, there's no appreciation left for something brilliantly simple like the Ogroid. He seems like a lost classic model done with modern standards of quality. And it's a painter's dream with his tattoos.

>>51557401
It's always going to be a big centerpiece model. People generally prefer bigger things than little ones, even if the little ones are more impressive. Look to nearly any publicly voted painting competition.

>>51556237
>whomever leaked those images deserves to be chained alone in a room filled with mawkrushas.
https://youtu.be/MhgS_5r7drI

How big is your army ? Can any one beat 20K points? 10K vamps, 20K tomb kings

>>51558468
I've got ~7200pts of Stormcast, though one unit of Judicators and one unit of Fulminators are not even assembled and my Stardrake is not painted yet. Maybe the upcoming release plus my plans for a Hinterlands warband should allow me to break 10k.

>>51555778
only the best for Queen Alarielle

it was actually intended to go in an aquarium, but then I abandoned the aquarium idea.

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>>51558971

>tfw you've seen no less than 3 mounguls at LVO so far

>4.36 elf units per elf faction.

>elves have plenty of models.

pick one

What is up with people mocking AoS's rules?

Why do they think we need a textbook full of rules?
Also, what's with the 3+ to win meme?

If you look at 40k, most rolls are in the 3+ 4+ range anyway.

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>>51559209
>What is up with people mocking AoS's rules?

I know someone who knows a GW manager who just got back from the Texas GW manager convention and he said the rules for 40K aren't getting cut down. But they are adding alternative ways to play the game in the new edition.

Take with loads of salt

>>51555003
>Basing before undercoating
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>51559209
Here's the deal: 40k rules are bad, really bad, in fact, absolutely atrocious. It's like the old FB rules - an utter clusterfuck. It's the draw of the cool lore alone that still keeps people in the system. By mocking AoS, they try to confirm to themselves that 40k rules aren't the absolute worst there are.

>>51559436
If you're going to slap a couple of coats of paint over your base anyway, why not undercoat it?

>>51554749
Skaven hired guns seems fluffy to me

>>51559609
It tends to pool in the cracks in the sand and make it look like heap of vomit.

>>51558931
no you dont.

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>>51557390
Like this, maybe?

>>51560191
you kidding me, if anything im gonna put his motherfucking big ass claymore in his hand

>>51559624
Maybe he's fighting against mawkrushas on a regular basis (not that it makes it look better anyways)

>>51559209
I too am interested in knowing where the hell this originated from.

>>51561145
People who had no idea of the actual game read that to-hit and to-wound were fixed rolls rather than taken of a table and blew it out of proportion.

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Still needs some detailing, but I'm happy with how it came out.

Lord-Celestant Gilgamesh.

>>51562002
very cool!

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>>51562002
>Gilgamesh
>MoldLines

>>51562002
Give it some shading and it'll look even better, nice work anon.

Why is the general so quiet today?
How would people go about converting a khorgorath into a great unclean one? I'd start with using some greenstuff to cover the khorne emblem on his chest, adding in some boils, mabye cutout his stomach and replace in with a blightkings one, any idea where I'd get a large cleaver type sword?

>>51563331
Watching vegas on twitch?

>>51555682
Looks good, but for god's sake smear some putty in that big shoulder gap.

>>51563331
>How would people go about converting a khorgorath into a great unclean one?
They wont and just buy corbax, fw guo or glottkin.
Time is money, unless you make less than 2€/hours its not worth it putting that much work into a khorgorath

>>51563331
Can't talk for anyone else, but the HH Inferno release is pretty amazing and the delay of the SC book annoyed me greatly.

>>51563460
I got a khorgorath for a fiver, I'd rather spend my downtime converting than drop 70/120 quid on a model I think haha

>>51557390
Give him a hand Crosshow in one hand.

He's now a Vanguard leader.

>oakenbrow glade treelord ancient with oaken armor
>13 wounds, 2+ re-rollable save
>take Regrowth spell, heal yourself d6 wounds, cast on a 2d6 5+
>warlord trait Gnarled Warrior, ignore armor piercing that isn't Rend -2 or better

trees seem... good?

>>51564461
Mortal wounds baby. That 2+ with re-rolls will mean jackshit to them.

>>51564461
I might just be a dumbass, but I can't find what's giving the treelord ancient a re-rollable save.

>>51564889

His Command Ability, it's only in the battletome.

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>>51564933
But his Command Ability is whats letting him ignore rend, it doesn't say anything about re-rolls.

Oh god, found a giant retard. He went and said:

"Massive, oversized armour and huge characters aren't the trademark of AoS? Really?"

We were talking about 40k. I kid you not, sometimes people's autism is too extreme.

Please Rate my 1000 Point List:

Heroes:
> Orruk Warboss with 'Big and Brutish', 'Meteoric Hammerblade'

BattleLine:
> 20 Orruks with hand weapon and shield, boss, drummer, standard bearer
> 40 Moonclan Grots with spear and shield, netters, boss, musician, bad moon icon

Behemoths:
> Aleguzzler Gargant

Warmachines:
> Doomdiver Catapult
> Doomdiver Catapult

This list is based on the models I already own. Is it viable? Or should I get working on a box of cavalry?

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Can someone explain to me why the AOS setting is appealing to you?

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Mostly finished Malagor today, I'm pretty happy with him.

>>51565287
Looks pretty ok if a little slow. Could use a wizard and some cavalry. I recommend spider riders as they can give mortal wounds.

>>51565293
Orruks are superior to ANYTHING. And are competitive, at last!

Plus a slew things that are appearing as the setting is getting fleshed out. God-beasts' for example. The flesh-eater courts' lore is cool.

>>51565293
It's just a background for why you move models around a table.
I like it because it's way more original than the old world and it allows for all sorts of crazy things to happen and the story actually progresses unlike WFB which was always 2 minutes to midnight until Chaos finally won. I also like it because the forces of order are on the offense instead of constantly holding back evil.

>>51565372
Thanks for the input! I'll squeeze in a wizard at the expense of one doom diver, and find some use for the last 60 points. (Perhaps a Snotling pump wagon!)

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>>51565293
My grots can actually reliably deal damage now so I feel less like I wasted what money I spent on them.

>>51565053
That's his command trait. We are talking about his command ability.

>>51565597
Is the warscroll on the gw website old for the tree lord ancient because it doesn't show him having one.

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>>51565627
It is. Look in the battletome or in the App for the new one.

>>51565287
Speed shouldn't be an issue thanks to Rampaging Destroyers, but you'll probably want a second hero to spread coverage of that.
Hand weapons on anything but 10 orruks is a waste. Take spears instead.
Also, not really convinced by your choice of relic and trait.

>>51564461
In my experience most of the Sylvaneth units are basically unkillable unless by huge amount of point disparity, mortal wound spam or things that have very high rend. Treelords are the most unkillable, but even dryads can take a lot of punishment before going down.

>>51565293
Forces of Order on the offence for once, a sense of greatness rising from the ashes of the fallen, whose struggles are blurred with time but not forgotten

>>51565293
More ease of making "your guys". You can make up whole frigging kingdoms and countries (just like you can make up planets etc in 40k) for your backstory, and even for your battles on the tabletop. This really couldn't be done in the Old World because everything was mapped out.

With the Grand Alliance stuff, tailoring an army to your fluff and preferences is easy, too.

Can someone now explain to me why the AOS setting is not appealing to you?

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>>51564461
It looks good on paper, then you play ht egame and you understand how bad it is.

Nobody is ever gong to waste attack on a fight with a 2+ rerollable model.
They are either going to snipe it in 1 turn with thundertusk, hurricanum, skyfires, or other mortal wound dealing shit.

Or you effectively are into combat with unit which are "rend -" which mean you are falling into his cheap anvil unit and he want you to stay there while you could killed something much more important and it's probably impossible to get your point back vs those zombies/ratmen

Can someone explain the Start Collecting Seraphon meme to me?

>>51567590
You buy the big stegadon and get dverything else for free same as in the skeleton one

>>51562550
Thanks, anon.

>>51562573
Not mold lines, model wouldn't fit properly. I need to fill it up with some liquid Green Stuff though, I know.

>>51562855
Thank you, and yeah, I'm working on that. I just wanted to get a good picture of it.

>>51567590
It's a compilation of teh shittiest unit in the seraphon army all in one box of shit
You think it's a deal then realize you basically need to buy a seraphon army because all you have is a pile of shit.

I bought 2, , was flabbergasted by the shit it was then decided to sell the one i had not opened yet.
Except you know, since it's shit There was already 40+ to sell on the 2nd hand warhammer forum and nobody wanted them even at $15.
So i gave it to someone 6 months ago and he is still trying to sell it.

stay away.

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>>51566315
I liked warhammer fantasy because of the scale and personability of it, the idea of some imperial captain protecting some podunk town from a warband of orcs or a pair of chaos champions and their few dozen followers each fighting over who gets to burn that town to ashes, or an upstart necromancer marching his way out of mousillion as he's engaged by a band of minor nobles is appealing to me. In contrast AoS feels deeply deeply flanzerized and pushed to silly scales, where KHORNE SLAUGHTER BLOODS fight over the plane of elemental light against the GOLD THUNDER HAMMER ORDER OF THE STAR DRAGONS to the point where I can't shake the taste of archetype vs archetype rather than character of this archetype vs character of this archetype. It's just such a thematic disconnect it's difficult for me to empathize with my dudes. With the scale of 40k it works because every world is still a setting unto it's own but in aos it feels too ambiguous and massive for it's own good.

>>51567802
as a supporter of AOS I 100% agree that the setting needs to solidify some boundries, make the smaller picture something you can zoom in on, at least you can still run an army of Freeguilders

Anyone know where I can find the points value of Sylvaneth Wyldwoods?

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>>51567918
And as someone who is still a bitter cunt about the whole thing the reasons given for liking it are fairly legitimate.

Subjective value judgement.

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This army is at LVO, but it's placed #29

>>51568127
I can see why. it's pretty easy to play against an upside down army if you know what to do

>>51568127
>inb4 Australia

Has anyone actually played a Hinterlands game/campaign yet? Is it pretty fun? Trying to decide if it's worth trying to get people at my FLGS interested. It's been hard enough just getting people to actually play in a Path to Glory campaign.

Gonna start flesh eaters since tomb kings are kill, Any recommendations on what to get first besides the start collecting box?

Stegadon with ballista? Or flamethrowers?

>>51568241
I too am wanting to know about this. I am new to most things /tg/ but skimming thru the hinterlands stuff it sounded cool.

>>51567679

Do you have a link to this site? I wish I'd known they were that cheap to get second hand when I bought mine.

Where is the death rattle stuffs rules? and how do i just play deathrattle only?

>>51568495
Nvm i got it, but cant find anyone's shared versions of the grand alliance Death. there isn't a copy in any of the Megas or anything.

>The setting is inherently fucked because they made their "heroes" unironic, unrelatable, inhuman, faceless robots. They tried to recreate space marines but totally missed the point that even space marines are still imperfect and human. AoS is what you get when someone who doesn't understand how 40k was based in satire and inspired by stuff like 2000AD takes everything at face value and tries to recreate it.


what do I tell this guy?

>>51568670
That's because there is no digital version of any of the battletomes.

>>51568879
to go back to his containment thread.
He clearly hasn't read any stormcast fluff if he think they are soulless or golem, you can't argue with trolls.

People who are determined to not give AoS a shot cannot be convinced otherwise. It's best to not waste your time and energy.
People will only come around when they are ready.

The 4 Pages of rules are mocked by 40k but the irony is that AoS is a much cleaner, much clearer, and much better ruleset than the mess that 40k has become.
Playing AoS is great, playing 40k is a chore.
I can play 3 or 4 games of AoS in the time it takes to play one game of 40k.

>>51568245
for flesheaters, and i say this seriously. 3 start collectings and a varghulf or 2 and then flavor to taste with ghouls, horrors, etc. one of the easiest pure value armies to collect

>>51568245
Get a varghulf. Then another box

>>51554014
Yes you take the Warrior Brotherhood with a Knight Azyros, they are not very good in competitive play without that battalion

Does scenery have point values? If so, where can I find them, because I don't see them in the General's Handbook.

>>51565293
High fantasy is rad

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Played in a tournament today. Took first place after winning major victories in each round and also won a secondary prize for best presentation

Opponents were Ironjawz, Seraphon (Eternal Starhost + shooty dinos) and Death (Zombies + Vampires)

The scenarios were Blood & Glory, Border War, and Three Places of Power

Had a lot of fun and met a lot of cool people. If you guys are thinking about getting into AOS tournaments you should definitely give them a try

>>51567679
Warriors are good though

Don't fall for the Saurus Guard meme, they are a trash unit against any competent players

>>51569705
Sylvaneth Wildwood cost 40 points, or 0 if you have Sylvaneth allegiance

Balewind Vortex costs 100 points

It's not in the GHB, the point values were added to this extra document:
https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/AoS_Errata/ENG_Silver_Tower_PB.pdf

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>>51569849
Oh, thank you.

>>51569825
Not him but I guess most tournament winner and any LVO player is really bad then..

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>>51569815

I swear back in the late 90s I had two of those when you could take them as giant scorpions in the dark elves army. good memories.

Any thoughts on how your experience is a perfect case study of the debate over how the out of print armies impact the game?

>>51567679

So Carnos and Knights are unplayably bad?

>>51570715
are there dark elves or high elves in that game yet? if not when will they be there?

>>51570784
DE, HE, and lizards will be the first full expansion, which is gonna happen AFTER all the old world is done
Which means you gotta wait for, in no particular order, Skaven, Ogre kingdoms, tomb KANGZ, brets, and probably chaos dorfs. Though CA has also said stuff that implies that they might do MORE stuff than just that, so if we're lucky Kislev may get some stuff, and maybe even the eastern kingdoms too

>>51570862
>WE

>>51570878
WUZ
All things aside, I really hope TK get here sooner rather than later, since right now the bottom of the map is kinda empty. It'd really make playing orcs more fun if there was more than just orcs to the south of you

>>51569815
Man I'd love to take my grots to a tournament but I just don't have the time to paint them with my job. The last thing I want to do is force opponents against a grey tide.

>>51571104
Army. Painter. Quickshade.

You spray them green.

basecoat details.

Brush on quickshade.

Shake forcefully.

base.

Takes me 15ish minutes for each unit of 10. Saving my free time for the heroes and fancy stuff.

i was wondering does AoS' lore mention the old world at all? How in depth?

>>51572079
Quite often. Not too much depth (after all it's blurry to most but a few characters), though Katarin of Kislev makes an appearance to get shit done.

>>51569815
See, I want to like AoS but with armies like this I just can't. 3 big monsters (and that's not counting the necroknights), Settra, two heroes, a casket of souls and barely any of the old "basic" units.

That doesn't look like an army, it looks like Settra & Friends: Rumble in the Jungle.

And except for some nice surprises, this kind of thing seems to be the norm. Just like 40k is becoming a shitfest with Lords of War and everyone allying with everyone.

I want to play against an army, not the Avengers.

And well, then there is the larger than life lore...

>>51572241
Then only play at 1000 points in non-competitive games, and make a hardcore High Elf only army

This is the era of your dudes and having fun, play the game like you like

>>51572259
And if someone fields minimum ork boyz battleline and all mortal wound spam beastlords? Just say no thanks and play someone else
Not rocket science

>>51572259
You have always been able to have "your dudes". Just having them in a coherent army organization, and not some superhero-assembly-like force. Which makes sense considering WHFB/AoS are wargames, and not MOBAS.
Even more so in WHFB when you could equip them with items that changed their role in the battlefield, something that imho they should include in AoS, some more customization wouldn't hurt.

>>51572241
I get what you mean but the 3x chariot chaos lord on dragon 2k lists were hardly different. Well except the chaos list was a tourney staple in 7e i think it was

>>51572241
Are you complaining in all earnest that the ugliest models in the game are now useless? "Basic units" killed FB because nobody liked them.

>>51572241
I'm not a fan of SC+monsters armies either, but it just reminds me of the core tax+cheese of WHFB.
And even, big monster armies might look cool, the only issue with this pic is the too few foots skellies, imho.

>>51572241
Eh, don't play, simple.

>>51572429
I can't tell about Chaos, but I do know that TK had a "proper" army feel, because their rules favoured that style. Just like most armies, really. Bretonnians, Elves, Empire... perhaps Lizardmen could have had saurus warriors boosted, because skinks were often taken instead.

Chaos has always been a bit different...

>>51572481
No, rules changes to make those units even bigger (once upon a time a 16-20 men block was considered very solid, and that'd be a single regiment box) and more than doubling the cost of said units over 10 years, or not even that, did it.

Unit blocks make for very, very cool posing and mini-dioramas. Unit fillers are a great loss in AoS.

>>51572519
If he had 30 skelly spearmen and 20 skelly archers, that would look cool. It's the disproportionate ratio of monsters to humble soldiers that is frustrating.

>>51572593
I bet he thinks that army looks cool and that's all that matters.

Also, isn't there that game called 9th age or something like that where you can play with "armies"?

>>51572593
Filler units are no loss at all
See everyone's least favourite army, Stormcasts. Liberators are dull as hell, and exist only for cheap battleline. Basically every other melee model is cooler and better, so people want to play them.

Have you considered playing flames of war instead, since you like pre-ordained lists?

I know fuck all about Age of Sigmar, but does it let me take a whole army of Lizardmen (incl. Slann and Skinks), and is that viable?

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>>51572681
Yes, there's 9th, but as I said, I would like to like AoS. I'm not necessarily opposed to using round bases (although perhaps use big round bases for units instead of individual soldiers, unless they are skimishers?) and simplifying the rules.

>>51572703
I said unit fillers, not filler units. A very, very big difference.

>>51572899

yes, they are called seraphon, and they are pretty good too. especially the slann

>>51572899

Yep. Click a unit and scroll down to find the rules PDFs.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-WW/Warhammer?Nu=product.repositoryId&N=102358+4294965337&qty=96&sorting=plh&view=table&categoryId=cat440002a-flat

>>51573181
Holy shit. I don't have to pay for rule books?

>>51572921
A loss to the one percent of the community who could convert and do it competently to boot. Whereas a lot of people on the other side of the hobby spectrum would just glue an acorn to a base and say "dats mah fillur"

>>51573212
Units have free rules on app and GW site. Core rules for open games are for free too. If you want to play pitched battles (with points) you have to buy General's Handbook or download PDF. Same with most battalion warscrolls but they are rarely used and you can find them on 1d4chan

>>51553742

So is GW going to merge Age of Sigmar with W40K or something?

>>51573212
Don't use the website, as you'll find in this thread some units have outdated rules on there so it's not reliable.

>>51573525
Noone knows. For now you can use a nice amount of models in both games so it's already good. We have to wait and see if they will kill Slaanesh in 40k and if they replace her in AoS

So whats the relationship between Clan Pestilans, The Horned Rat and Nurgle?

Thinking about starting a Stormcast army. How does this look?

-The Skyborne Slayers - 140

-Lord Celestant - Legendary Fighter, Relic Blade - 100

-Liberators x10 - Warblades, Shields, Grandhammers x2 - 200
-Liberators x10 - Warblades, Shields, Grandhammers x2 - 200
-Judicators x5 - Boltstorm Crossbows, Thunderbolt Crossbow - 160
-Judicators x5 - Boltstorm Crossbows, Thunderbolt Crossbow - 160
-Paladin Decimators x5 - 200
-Paladin Protectors x5 - 200

- Hammerstrike Force - 120

-Prosecutors x3 - Stormcall Javelins, Stormsurge Trident - 80
-Paladin Retributors x5 - Starsoul Mace x2 - 220
-Paladin Retributors x5 - Starsoul Mace x2 - 220

2000/2000

Only models on the board turn one will be the Prosecutors, hopefully out of line of site from shooting. Then pretty much everything deepstrikes and hopefully a lot of turn one charges.

Tell me about your dudes Anons!

>>51574321
Gonna be SC vanguard. Based off of norms in Guild wars 2.

Half giants who pride hunting and heroism

>>51574321
I'm thinking about blue-scheme skavens devoted to Tzeentch

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>>51574028
Legendary Fighter is meh, take Reckless instead. You'll want those charges to succeed.
And for simplicity's sake I'd recommend to stick to grandblades when taking warblades and grandhammers when taking warhammers.
Also, thunderbolt crossbows are shit.

>>51574321
Flesh Eater Courts that are perpetrating the old Strigoi ways, Ushoran fanboys.
And I'm moving from a Tzeentch warband to an Arcanite Cult.

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>>51573949
The Horned Rat is the god of all Skaven, but Pestilens are his most fanatical and devoted worshipers, all Skaven are aware of him but most have replaced him with technology and forcibly harness magic though these means. This is seen as heretical to the true children of the horned rat who are blessed with plague magic and plague immunity directly in reward for their efforts

Pestilens old Fantasy origins involve stealing the Liber Bubonicus from Nurgle. In the mortal realms they are allies of convenience and little more. Plague monks who appear to follow Nurgle warbands are actually taken over by brain-maggots and act more like zombies who are hated by true Pestilens skaven and cut down easily.

Nurgles goal is stagnation and calculation of diseases to be used sparingly and perfected, they take pleasure in prolonging battles yet like all the gods they seek to overrun the realms in time

Pestilens only values results and want the quickest route to victory as all Skaven do with the most fast-acting ailments. they seek out the hidden 13 great Plagues and when all of them are assembled they believe the mortal realms shall rot-wither.

>>51574616
What exactly is the significance of taking normal hammers vs blades?

Ultimately they have the same chances to deal damage. What am I missing here? Is it purely aesthetics at the end of the day?

>>51574766
Hammers become better when you have a +1 to hit, and Stormcast have a few ways to get that while no way to get a +1 to wound that would make the blade betters.

Also I think that for Liberators the hammers are more iconic.

>>51574766
A miniscule improvement of hammers over swords with the Lord-Celestant's command. Basically, take what you like; I have both. But it's easier to group them into categories based on the to-hit roll, I think. Allows you to keep better track of shit.

>>51574633
>Flesh Eater Courts that are perpetrating the old Strigoi ways, Ushoran fanboys.
Doesn't that apply to ALL Flesheaters?

>>51574858
>>51574784
I'll go hammers then. It does fit better.

>>51574521
I've never heard of Skaven worshipping anyone but the Horned Rat

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Just ordered me one of these, any ideas when we get points for her?

>>51572241
That wasn't my list in the tournament, it was just my display

My actual list was
-Warsphinx
-Casket of Souls
+3 Necropolis Knights
+Liche Priest
+Necrotect

>>51574321
Dwarfs who have rejected any tech invented since the War of Vengeance, accompanied by approving ancestor spirits.

Stone Age wood elves who think metalworking is anti nature. Bronze Age high elves.

Beastmen covered in poop and blood because bathing is too civilised.

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>>51574899
It's a Warhammer man - I can run an army devoted to Santa if I want

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Wanted to share my attempt at painting up a harbinger of decay. Tried to give that four horseman look with the pale horse.

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>>51575503
>Look at the GW site
>Huh, it looks nice and is not this expensive
>Nice attack and stats, maybe I should build a daemon army with h-
>Synergy only with mortals

>>51553742

Disciples of Tzeentch upload when?

>>51572241
I think instead that the best thing about AoS is that you can do both. Nobody stops you from playing lots of infantry, and a lot of strong lists do, but you can also play monsters and big pieces.

I always loved Tomb Kings, but I never started them in WHFB because the thought of buying and painting 100+ crappy skeletons before actually being able to play the cool Sphynx (which was always going to be sniped by cannons) turned me off.

>>51576033
Already, don't be lazy, and check it up in resources list.

>>51556227

Reminder GW did nothing with this...

>>51575670
>mortal character has synergy with mortals
Stop the fucking presses.

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>aos is all about "your dudes"
>half the kits are giant fuck off named characters

>>51576623
He is also daemon, m8

>>51576601
What more needed to be done? Settra would rather be alone in a demolished land than serve chaos. The was all there was to it.

>>51576633
>use named character rules
>for your own converted, individualised special snowflake character

wa la

>>51576657
>character that looks nothing like a regular Nurgle daemon
>character that was only represented in the army book for mortal followers of chaos in old warhammer
>has synergy with mortals instead of daemons
You did this to yourself.

>>51576885
Anon, I'm not complaining that he has a mortal synergy. I'm just sad because he looks good but there is no sense to use him with pure daemons. Also I was not an Old Warhammer fan so I don't really know everything about lore.

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>>51576954
Oh, le funny reptile picture. I don't really know why have you post it as a reply if you could just ignore my post but ok

>>51574879
No, they're quite diversified in their madness, some emulate what they've known in life, some even worship Nagash, whatever tickles your fancy.

>>51572143
>Katarin of Kislev
In what manner? Is he a Stormcast?

>> 51575670

As I run a mortal Nurgle army this guy is invaluable. While it does not hit particularly hard in a vacuum (tfw blight kings have no rend) it is incredibly tanky when considering the discharge from the blight kings as well as the blight guard formation. If you are looking for a cool army to collect I would totally recommend going mortal Nurgle.

On stream they just confirmed that Scythes > Swords

>>51577254
Yeah, I see they look neat and have some good abilities but compared with Nurgle daemons they are just too expensive for me. For 3 boxes of blightkings I can buy 2 Daemons SC! and play 1000pts - 90% of games at my LGS are vanguard
>inb4 if you are a poorfag it's not a hobby for you, go play with stones and dirt

>>51576633
if by half the kits you mean 6/170 then yes

I have some questions... sorry if I missed the answers.

1. Can a player who loses all his models win on VPs or is tabled = defeated?

2. Following the above question - If you table your opponent on... turn 3 (for example)? But my opponent had lets say 6 VPs to my 5 VP... Am I allowed to play my remaining turns (Let's say turn 4 and 5) without my opponents force on the table (as he has been tabled) in an attempt to beat him on VPs??

>>51577589
you automatically win if you table your opponent, so question 2 is irrelevant

>>51577589
Gw Specifically answered that question on of their stream (good luck finding it again tho, they shit 3hours stream like nobody), if you table the guy and he has more VP, basically you play the remaining turn alone...
So no, tabling your opponent isn't going to make you LOOSE.
It will be faq'ed in GHB 2 as either a total win or you play the last turn alone desu.

My post is about places of power were you have to capture 3 points, if it's what you mean by ""VP""

You would have to be very salty to be like
>"Heh you tabled me but I win now, tough luck pal" any TO will rule it as a win for the guy tabling the other turn 3.

>>51577589
You table someone you win. It's always been like that.

You win by either
1)Completing the objectives
2)Tabling your opponent.

>>51570715
Funnily enough, CA's leaked DLC plans from a couple months back mentioned plans for a chaos dwarf army. I remain cautiously optimistic about seeing them!

>>51577350

Nah I get you senpai. They are expensive, the argument can be made that you need to buy less but I am sitting on 4x5 blight kings, a lord of plagues, harbinger, maggoth lord and a sorcerer and that was a pretty penny. Only 1,500 points if you include the battalion and a group of nurglings that I summon with twice born.

Think Nurgle will be the next Chaos god to receive some loving?

>>51577002
>reptile
Frogs are amphibians though

>>51577874
>Think Nurgle will be the next Chaos god to receive some loving?
I hope we will see Start Collecting for Nurgle Mortals. I really like unit models for Daemons but Daemon Heroes are just so fuckin expensive and look terrible - literally shit-tier while mortal heroes are god-tier. I would like to buy daemons SC! boxes and merge them with mortal heroes but they would lose a lot of pure-list synergy. Maybe GW will release some new daemons heroes? I can only hope

>>51578015

What about Epidemius? Against a non-elite army his ability is pretty amazing and it has no range so just camp him behind a rock and watch your army get more and more broken. One of the only demons I truly wish I could run in my mortal list.

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>>51574321
Aedan Kalifax, Torch of Azyr is the Lord Celestant of a small warband in the realm of Shadow. Posted lore about him a few threads ago.

He was pretty melted from stripping, so I had to try and salvage the Lord Relictor, and since I had two, he became a Lord Celestant. The warscrolls hammer cloak attack is his torch's shooting attack.

>>51578166
>>51578166
The conversion idea, while simple, looks really neat and from what I remember the fluff was also nice, but, Jesus Christ, 'half-melted doesn't do that face justice. Poor guy...

>>51578069
I would have to drop a unit of nurglings and one herald so I would lose a summoner but on the other hand he would still trigger Locus of Fecundity and these nice buffs. He still looks shitty compared with Lord of Plagues but maybe it's a good idea - thank you Anon

>>51578346

I am guessing you are price conscious (who can blame you desu) but are you running the Glottkin? He has some stupid strong synergy with regular old plague bearers.

Bit pricey - both money and points wise but certainly nothing your opponent can ignore

>>51578460
Isn't he breaking a nurgle daemon alliegiance?

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>>51572241
as a general principal what you are describing is accurate. AOS is most often played most successfully with the maximum number of powerful characters and minimum number of other things. You will often see the strongest elite troops in good armies too because they are very efficient on the table.

Thing is, bro, people like playing "super friends" armies.

People don't tend to enjoy painting and assembling 50-100 models just to play a mid size game.

I hope GHB 2.0 addresses this with a rebalancing of points. Or maybe they won't because GW likes the current business model, hard to say.

>>51577722
>>51577837

That's the thing, the mooks on Warhammer TV said in the last game that rules as written that is not the case.

Being tabled does not automatically make you lose.

>>51578547

What would you need the allegiance for? I mean for rotbringers you need it for blightkings to be battleline but I am not sure how it works for demons

>>51578573
yes, thats why you play the remaining turn in 3 places of power.
Its what happen in every tournament.

>>51578617
Oh well, fuck me running but I thought that Plaguebearers need a Nurgle Daemon allegiance (this is what OP warscroll Builder says so). GHB states nothing like that. Fuck, this changes everything

>>51578712

Yeah GHB allows you to run plaguebringers with nurgle mortal heroes. Its a pain for mortal nurgle as they are tied to that mortal key word pretty strongly and if you run any non-mortal heroes enjoy adding new battleline.......

May I ask what your current list is?

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>>51578752
Just toying with SoD rats and few borrowed models to practice rules and learn how to play so nothing to post desu. Basically bought it to have a lot of models to learn how to paint, moving a big amount of models and I had a person to share the cost of box so it was a good deal for me

Playing my first tournament soon, 2k, battleplan will be 3 places of power / border war / blood & glory.

Any advices against Skaven (mortal wound spam) / warrior brotherhood / demons ?

>>51578872
When I saw skaven in the title I almost got tilted but you aren't running the broken af list. How is the painting coming?

>>51578619
You would have to be next level retard to argue :

>"Wow sorry you are actually too good, because you tabled your opponent you actually AUTOLOOSE haha"

people would just show up with 4chariot of tzeentch, and 1600 summoning points they never use, take all places turn 1 then get blasted off the table turn 2 to win most of the places of power games.

>>51578913
A cool thing to do will be to at least tell us what faction you play bro

>>51578981
Sorry, Tomb kings, mix of skeletons & monsters.

>>51579029
>>51579029
>demons
You can kill key units easily with necrosphinx

> warrior brotherhood
Yeah sorry about that

>Skaven (mortal wound spam)
Can't comment on this one, nobody play skaven here, i'll let other weight in..

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>>51578940
Just started but painted only few minis - barely have time for sleeping. I know that it is a huge amount of models for a newbie but painting seems to be my favourite aspect of the hobby so I can't wait to spend few days on painting these little fuckers.

I have left the painted ones on my place but gf has one of my stormcasts from this build+paint set so look at my terrible skills and first painted mini ever

> I almost got tilted but you aren't running the broken af list
Nah, I want to have fun and use models that look neat IMO - I'm just a casual player. Sometimes I'm changing flamethrower for second mortar and engineer for warlord

>>51579095
What the fuck, I have rotated this pic like seven times on PC. Well, fuck me and my 2mb pic

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>>51579095

Considering how atrocious those "get painting" boxes are that turned out pretty damned well! Personally painting is what I like to do in this hobby, and while I am by no means good I still really enjoy the process.

Would be keen to see some of your skaven stuff. Attached a photo of the maggoth lord I run.

>>51577722
Only in Open play

In Matched Play the only win condition is stated in the battleplan

>mfw selling some old models that kept me in place and stopped from starting a new army
>mfw I'll be able to get into something at long last

Now I have to decide if want skellingtons or new tzeentch.

>>51553742
what is the most broken ogre kingdoms force i can make with 1500 points.

taking into account we will be using 3 random scenarios from the generals handbook chosen at the tournament day. and models cannot be more then 500 points.
Leaders 1-5
Battleline 3+
Artillery 0-3
Behemoths 0-3


1 player will probably bring that 400 point undead ghosty thing that has no lower body and is pretty big.

>>51579354
also i have 120 painted gnoblars if that matters.

>>51572241
Nigga chariots were core for Tomb Kings anyway.

>>51567677

>model wouldn't fit properly

And how! Thing was an ass to assemble.

Lad I bought a set of Orruk bonesplitters and this Ismy first time painting any .pitfalls to avoid or possible designs you've used?

Swords or Spears on skeletons?

>>51579646
Spears for 2" range. More skellies get more pokes, more dead stuff!

>>51579354
also whats the point cost of a mourngul anyway ?
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/PDF/fw_warscrolls/aos-warscroll-mourngul.pdf

>>51579278
I will try to post them but I'm afraid I will be away from the 4chan for something like a week. Maybe I will manage a day or two for painting - I hope so. Also thanks for nurgle tips - maybe I will save enough money to build a small daemon army in few months
>>51579250
Thanks - I fuckin love these generals

>>51579646
Assuming you are on 25mm round bases

Squad of 10? Swords
Squad of 20? Swords
Squad of 30+? Spears

>>51579729
400, only 1 per unit

>>51579719
400

>>51579752
Probably should have clarified that they have the square bases.

Duardin are due in March, with Aelves and Slaanesh in summer, for all those who care.

>>51579795
Same thing

>>51579827
> in March
First or second half?

>>51579790
and am i reading this right or did you actually get to summon a free one every turn (or more then 1) in the old non generals handbook rules?

anyway how do you counter this thing? he always has that 4+ save followed by a 2+ save (mystic shield) and even if i get some wounds in he just heals them.

>>51579852
More than likely the second half, as Hamerhal comes out in the first.

>>51579790
where do you see the point cost?

>>51579872
Yes before the GHB you could summon indefinitely

You counter it by throwing tons of focus fire at it and making sure it charges something it can't kill and heal off from

Snipe the wizards in range to give it Mystic Shield and then pile in tons of attacks

>>51579894
in the resources pastebin thing, there is a doc called "Forge World Points" and it has them all in there.

>>51579878
Anything about dwarfs packaging? What boxes will we see and what GW will put into them?

>>51579914
i can only bring leadbelchers as shooting :/

i mean i can buy an iron blaster but that doesnt seem that much better.

and even my tyrant will be wounded easily.

>>51579964
Focus fire doesn't necessarily mean shooting

>>51579925
Dispossed will cover the first wave, with some reboxed Irondrakes, Thunderers, Longbeards and the sort, with a retooled rune lord and warden king. Next wave will most likely consist of Ironweld, though I have no further information about it.

>>51576601
Yet. There's a lot of 'shit GW hasn't touched yet' in AoS.

>>51579976
i killed it 1 time when he forgot to mystic shield it and i managed 2 wounds with my 6 ironguts. but i dont think he will do that again. he has like 3 vampires that 2+ save is just ridciulous.


about the maw spell for the butcher. its basically a worse arcane bolt since it cant generate extra wounds by general handbook rules right ?

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>>51580339
it can generate extra wounds

the rule of one only works on attacks

i honestly dont know why so many people dont know how to fucking read

>>51579029
are you this guy >>51569815 ?

>>51580397
"any extra attacks, hits, rolls or wounds rolls gained by special ability cannot generate extra attacks, wound or hit rolls." You either can't write or read.

>>51580425
No, but this army looks pretty good !

>>51580436
Is a spell an attack, hit roll, or wound roll?

No.

>>51579827
for Christ sakes at least say that it was from some anon on facebook who wouldn't reveal the source.

Take with salt

>>51580455
its a special ability and it says

attacks, hit rolls OOOOR wounds

and this ability is generating wounds.

>>51580619
But its not making wound rolls

Wound roll is part of the attack function

Spells do not make wound rolls

>>51580006
What about start collecting? be creative Anon, I like our small game

>>51580619
>its a special ability
No, it's not an ability, it is a spell.

Abilities are in the ABILITIES section, spells are in the MAGIC section.

>>51580619
I dont know why you shoot yourself in the foot like that, i mean it's universally played in every tournament like that wasn't even subject to any controversy ever.
Just spam 1Voracious Maw/turn like everybody ever, and hope for maximum ricochet

>>51580644
>>51580787
>>51580841
well my tourney organizers ruled for my opponent when this came up so i guess my maw is a worse arcane.

>>51580888
Your tournament organizers are free to use whatever house rules they want

but if they are using the basic matched play rules then they are just WRONG

>>51580787
there is no magic or ability section.

by standard rules they are the same.

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>>51580934
You really can't be this stupid, right?

Any recommended head bits for Stormcast? Really not digging the base screamo heads

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>>51553742

Just got the Silver Tower box set yesterday with a few friends. We all play 40k, have never touched fantasy or AoS. What should we expect?

I've got lots of other Tzeentch models (both fantasy and 40k, I'm a big collector). Will having those handy help to supplement anything?

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>>51577722

>>51581118
Silver Tower is its own game. While the models can be used in standard AoS games, it alone isn't going to be enough to field proper armies.

It's a good game in and of itself though.

>>51578249
He was never the same after fighting that bloodthirster

>>51581118
Rules can be a little wonky to learn the first time in, but it's a fun game. Very narrative, too.

>>51581081
Bretonnian knight helmets. There's also an anon who is using dwarf heads

>>51581081
If you're interested in some Femcast, there work very well.

http://www.statuesqueminiatures.co.uk/c/4535598/1/heroic-scale-accessories.html

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I heard shadow elf daemons this summer?

>>51582949
We need more AoS waifus

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Some WIP spare bit zombies i'm working on. They're fairly simple and generic but they'll mingle with my others pretty well I figure. Gotta add some mud and prime them up.

>>51582827
I wonder how those bald ones would work as actual stormcast helmets. Shaving off the ears and putting a crest on top should be easy enough.

>>51578562
But without the rabble, those super friends stop being super. A monster is impressive because most other guys are tiny. If most of the army are monsters, the sense of scale is lost.

>>51581081
Join me Anon, use grey knight helmets.

>>51583128
>But without the rabble, those super friends stop being super. A monster is impressive because most other guys are tiny. If most of the army are monsters, the sense of scale is lost.

I don't disagree. I said I hope they fix it with a revaluation of the points in the GHB 2.0

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>>51583132
If I ever make a Stormcast army, I plan on buying pic related, making a press mold and making a bunch of green stuff helmets of the gold face. It would fit so much better than what we have now.

>>51578166
That's why I use simple green. On one hand you have to do some scrubbing with an old toothbrush, but on the other hand it won't damage my beloved yet badly painted models. I've accidentally left figures in a simple green bath for months to no ill effect.

>>51578166
How'd you get that skull helmet anon?

>>51581837

Oh I know. I've been thinking about getting into AoS (I play Daemons of Tzeentch in 40k) but I understand this is its' own game with its own rules.

>>51582460

Going over the book they don't seem so difficult but I'm only halfway through. I'm glad they're narrative though.

Question though, at times it's gonna be just me and one friend able to play. I understand it's for 2-4 players, but would it be easy to change it to one person controlling 4 heroes and having one person just control the dungeon enemies?

>>51553742
How to strangle a armor?

>>51553742
Is there a PDf of the new White Dwarf?

>>51583435
Lord relictor melted down in non-acetone nail polish for a day and a half

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>>51567802

That fucking army is glorious.

>Tfw Lokhir Fellheart looks cool as fuck but is OoP and also his faction is dead

A pirate dark elf faction would be rad as fuck if they updated them.

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>>51584591
>rad as fuck

agreed.

Sadly Repeater Bolt thrower is out of print and Hydras aren't even in the Scourge Privateers faction. The concept is dead without an overhaul.

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>>51584591
When I saw the Scourge Privateers faction was a thing, my first thought was how cool it would be to make an army of these guys and fluff them up as possessing an interdimensional Black Ark and a fleet of dark elf void ships going around raiding the enemies, paid as privateers for Freeguild lords to harass the enemies of Order.

>>51583216
Except you know, you wont ever make a stormcast army or make molds and cast 60 helmets.

>>51582949
Yes, I would play these. Please release, GW.

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Hopefully finish this guy tommorow. I like these pink fellows. Christ though it's going to take me a year to paint these silver tower models. I am so damn slow.

Looking forward to having all the tzeentch models finished atleast, will use them as a springboard for an aos army one day.

>>51585296
how can you make a blurry image while literally only having a white background and macroing a miniature.
That's literally much harder than having a sharp,focused image

>>51585296
This horror looks good where is he from?

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>>51585432
I was wondering how that happened myself to be honest.

>>51585479

He came from the silver tower box game.

>>51583815
Break it with your roidrage-powered hands.

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>>51586602
I didn't know the Traumaturge had connections that deep in the forces of Order. Truly the machinations of Tzeentch are nefarious beyond compare.

What's the best way to utilize the 3' range on Paladin Protectors?

>>51588560
behind a quad of retributor, or behind a liberator shieldwall.

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>Start up Sylvaneth, get to around 700ish points with the start collecting box and a thing of Kurnoth hunters
>Tzeentch Arcanites come out
>Tzaangors look great
>Changeling looks great
>Lord of Change looks amazing
Please help me.

>>51588817
But they'd have to be charge, right? Cause I thought you had to stay 3 inches away from enemy units and when you charge you need to get at least one model within half an inch.

>>51588868
Resell. You'll lose some money obviously.

>>51584591
They have a faction? They have miniatures? Lorkhir Fellheart is still in the game? You have chariot bolt throwers? You can use a big ass sea montster?

Not saying it couldn't use some help on the character side but Privateers is pretty decent faction imo.

>>51589553
Fuck, just saw that Lorkhir doesn't have the keyword on his warscroll. Although I don't think anyone would mind if you use him for allegiance.

>>51588872
I believe the idea is you let the enemy charge the meat shield unit and then the Retributors, who are now within 3" of the enemy, pile in behind the liberators and start swinging.

are stonehorns necessary to be competitive with ogres?

>>51590290
Of all kinds? Not really. If you're playing Gutbusters, some Ironguts will take you further.

>>51589759
I think I'd avoid that unit the whole game desu. If they're just waiting around to be charged that is.

>>51590359
Yeah, that's the main problem with that tactic. You need to position the units somewhere where the enemy just cannot afford, or better, aren't able, to ignore them.

>>51590357
i was thinking to take like 12 bulls just for the reroll everything and to have it meaty. a unit of 6 ironguts and then 60 grots.

>>51590416
Wow. Go big or go home, I guess, but still. That's a lot of meat on the table.

>>51590359
Behind the Liberators and Protectors sit a bunch of Judicators with bows, the Celestant Prime and (soon) Raptors as well as a few support heroes.
If you don't engage the brick and try to break through, you'll be shot to pieces by the long-ranged guns.
Doesn't work on many scenarios, obviously.

>>51590769
Just bring some ironweld or other fuckers with longer range. CD iron rape train or gobbo lobba/spear chukka battery. Smack the heroes and judicators first, use disposable screens of gobbos or fireglaives to shield the artillery. Or a hurricanum if order.

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