EDH/Commander General

is Atraxa fun to play?

>>51545283
yes

>>51545283
Anything Phyrexian is fun to play.

>>51545235
>What is a pet card you try to include no matter how efficient it may be?
I wish I had the heart to include inefficient pet cards in my decks.

If I really want to include one, I just convince myself it has a real role in the deck.

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Ban when?

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>>51545111

>>51545489
Two thousand and never

This is the format that allows you to use power 9

Reposting cuz new thread

>>51543672
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/depala-nascar/

Huh, with the exception of the more expensive cards, this list is surprisingly similar to mine.

You should check out Mine Layer, goes with Dwarven Blastminer rather well. And maybe Marshal's Anthem for post-wrath effects

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>>51545509
>That quote

>>51545489
I don't see a problem.

t. shelnut manering

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>>51545489
Yeah, god only knows how hard it is to get artifacts off the table.

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I need a deck that doesnt get boring and is at least somewhat viable in a mid-level competitive/75% meta. Don't worry about the budget.
Recommendations, friends?

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>>51545283
>Want to make an Atraxa deck
>Most of my playgroup gets incredible tunnel vision and targets anyone with a spoopy commander so I can never play one.
>tfw

>>51545585
Zedruu not-grouphug not-chaos.

>>51545590
Play Atraxa anyway and pack their shit in.

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I need the biggest, most explosive, "this card ends the game now" cards in blue and red.

What do you got for me /edh/?

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>>51545590
This happened to me with Gitrog.

>Put commander on table
>ignite the hatred of every player at the table.

my frog just wants to eat some lands man.

>>51545590
It's alright, anon. Plenty of people are bad at Magic.

>>51545585
Steal yo shit.dek

It will be different with each new deck you play against

>>51545489
Be careful what you wish for, Big Brother Wizards has been very ban-happy recently

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>>51545677
wincon

>>51545653
I don't even need to get my commander out. They just see which deck I'm playing and instantly go at me. I don't even put gay combos in my decks.

>>51545644
mob rule
cyclonic rift
clone legion
warp world/scrambleverse (usually mass-scooping)
world at war
omniscience/enter the infinite

>>51545535
Stop posting

>>51532300
Why is tharsios tier 1 and reyhan and silas renn like tier 4?

>>51545683
I bought a playset of Copters during Christmas time just for daddy Wizards to ban it like a week later.

Unlucky.

>>51545727
What. Timer twister is power 9.

>>51545735

Because it's a shit list

>>51545740

Lol. Happened to a friend with both Pod AND Twin. I don't recall those cards being 11bux each though...

Yours probably hurt just as much because of the price

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>>51545683
wizards doesnt decide commander bans

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>>51545677
Not that guy, but I'm thinking of making a steal yo shit deck with pic related.
What are some good cards that could fit into this sort of deck?

>>51545871

Memnarch? Isn't he the king of Steal yo shit?

>>51545745
"allows you to use the worst card out of power 9" != "allows you to use power 9"

Timetwister only becomes broken with the other power 9 cards, and even then it doesn't work reliably in EDH because of 99 card singleton

>>51546046
It is still a fuckbusted card by any metric

>>51546046
>timetwister isn't broken
People actually believe this

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anyone got decks that don't try and win, but just to try to fuck up everyone's shit?
my favorite is mogus

>>51545644
Expropriate lategame is generally fucking amazing.

>>51546086
It's far from the auto include status of the others though. Timetwister is busted in decks that make it busted.

>>51545283
Shes fun if you play with people who also durdle around and have dick measuring contests.

Unless you're playing the stax version. Then it becomes an objective "yes".

https://deckstats.net/deck-12147076-ca6aad82c7a3cd93450ffbb5255c586f.html

Any thoughts on my Alesha deck?
If/when I do get around to making it, I'll probably sub out the $10+ lands that I don't already have for other lands, as well as Sneak Attack and Serra Ascendant.

>>51545283
Yes, I've loved my Super Friends deck. Getting Doubling Season out with her is nuts, as is Jitte.

>Walk into LGS
>Dig through bulk bins for a bit
>Find another guy idling around
>Ask if he plays EDH
>He's got a Zur deck
>I die a little inside and reach for my Daretti deck
>Draw Sol Ring Monolith and Strip Mine in opener
>Go Mountain Ring Mono
>T2 Strip his land and play Daretti
>Cast Wildfire a bit later
>Watch in horror as he pitched durdle cards that make Zur unblockable and shit
>Slowly realize his Zur deck was nothing like what I expected
I've just murdered a poor, innocent LGS player using his bargain bin cards with my most competitive deck and feel awful.

>>51546646
Forgot to add to ignore the printings of the cards.
I'd probably go buy the cheapest non-white-border versions of them all.

>>51546694
You're like the cop who shoots a kid carrying a toy gun.

>>51546706
>Non-white border
Why do people hate the best border color for tech?

>>51546839
Some people don't like the way the white borders ruin the aesthetic.

>>51545871
jalira is very bad purely because of the tap cost. it makes her incredibly slow. playing actual polymorph effects like proteus staff, polymorph, mass something or other, etc, along with a better commander is a better idea.

>>51545698
you are probably one of those fucks that, mid game, "i didn't know that was a combo, guys look at that! ja! I'm amazing"

there is an abundance of commanders in all colors dude. just play something not op if you really want a not op deck. even the exceptions where the cards is specific as hell, think uril, no matter how many pet cards you have in there

>>51546335
I dont know I usually fuck every ones shit with Nekusar and if they dont have any healing sometimes I win too.

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>>51546335
Kaervek is fun

>everyone at 10 or less life total on T5

>keep making decks because the ones i make never seem to click just right
>at 14 decks
>just become angry that no matter what deck i make it never feels right
>just dump all cards that i like for 1 reason or another into 1 deck not caring about synergy or how good the cards themselves are
>suddenly everything clicks

i lose more often now but at least i actually enjoy playing.

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>>51547268
Winning with jank just feels good

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>>51547268
>I enjoy things I enjoy
Why is this such a hard concept for so many people. Not trying to bag on you specifically, but I see this all the time.

>>51546427
>it's busted in decks that play blue
Fix'd

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What are your guys hopes for the next commander set?

>>51548381
A commander that aggressively promotes Boros stax

>>51548381
Personally? Either more Walker-Commanders (expecting 2 color this time) or more 4 color commanders that don't fucking have Partner. (Nearly every Partner was a giant let-down. Ludevic being the biggest of the lot,)
Also, more RW non-combat-oriented commanders, more like Depala.

Realistically? Probably another 3 color lot to go with what will likely be a 3-color block of Amunkhet (expecting 3 color Shard God cards from this "Trial of the 5 Gods" thing and that Bolas is one of them (not a God card himself, just a Walker card, but the other 4 would be Gods))
Also, RW will be combat based.

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>>51548437
Also, Captcha ate my image.

>>51548410
>>51548437
I just want a new gruul or golgari legends myself.

>>51548437
>>51548456
Partners could become interesting if they print a couple more of them. The more they print, the higher the chance of interesting synergy even if they're individually boring.

>>51545683
Are you actually retarded?

>>51545740
Thats what you get for playing Cancer Standard

I want to play Bant, but I dont want to flicker things or be an asshole. Who is my commander?

>>51545871
Your waifu a shit

>>51548692
Group Hug: Angus Mackenzie, Phelddagriff

Offense/Combat: Jenara, Asura of War, Rafiq of the Many

Politics/Stealing: Rubinia Soulsinger

Lifegain/Soul Sisters: Treva, the Renewer

>>51548692
Jenara. She promotes Voltron, but also just bant goodstuff.

>>51546335
Nekusar is my go to shitbirding deck. I could put healing stuff in but instead i play cards like mogis, everlasting torment, and machesas decree

im thinking about putting a shit ton of dual lands and bullshit in a jeleva and just run her with some haste enablers. top jank?

>>51548754
>Treva's promo card art
pure sex. no other dragon card has even gotten close to the awesomeness of that one

>>51548894
I dunno, I prefer Balefire dragon.

>>51548995
I personally always liked Moonveil Dragon

>>51545489
this card isnt even hard to deal with honestly

>>51546335
im actually brewing mogus right now, the whole idea is to make my opponents pay life for literally everything

>>51549096
>dies to removal
What a story

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>>51545489
>>51549184
>He's scared of a 5 drop artifact with no immediate game impact

Better watch out, I've seen some people with Alhammarret's Archive in their decks, too. Spooky.

>>51545706
Can confirm Scrambleverse actually says "6RR You win the game".

I've had tables sit through Warp World's and not scoop.

>>51549292
In fairness, Archive is a winmore card while Engine is a win card. You're right about everything else.

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If I gave my commander protection from creatures aura/effect, it can still get the bonus from Bastion Protector, right?

>>51549549
Protection from creatures means "can't be blocked, targeted, dealt damage, or enchanted by creatures"

the ability does not target

>>51549549
Correct. Protection only cares about Damage, Enchanting, Blocking and Targeting.

Bastion Protector does none of those.

>>51549568
>>51549607
Thanks anons.

>>51546694
Simply ask them what their strategy is next time.

>doomsday pile/necropotence combo
Darietti never forgetti.
>Oh it's a secret anon ;)
Something mid-tier, expect mild shittery.
>any nonstandard strategy
Whatever you want, it's not optimized
>Oh man be prepared I built a really good control/beatdown/aggro deck, you'll like never win
Casual shitter detected
>Any mention of mld, stax, the phrase "soft lock" or "hard lock", or mention of 2 card wombo combos like Mike and trike
Darietti.

It's clear that most people in these threads use tappedout for decklists, but what exactly makes it special?

My first try at a Sidisi deck. What do you guys think? Or is this good as is?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/the-lich-king-and-master-of-zombies/

>>51549902
Well known, easy to use, good tools.

>I need to build a draw package for a red and white deck
>my budget is $200, I already have all the cheap looting effects on red
What should I buy? I need at least 8 more cards to finish my nu-avacyn deck.

>>51547180
I made him but it was totally anticlimactic, none could cast a spell because tapping lands, casting spells, attacking, starting their turns and drawing cards would hurt them,

>>51547268
yeah I have a deck I love, always affects tge board, has won 3 games in the last 4 years. that's the entire life of the deck.

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>>51549972
Mind's Eye
Scroll Rack
Land Tax
Sensei's Divining Top
Jayemdae Tome
Liar's Pendulum
Staff of Nin
Tamiyo's Journal

>>51550060
Liars pendulum is pretty spicy, holy shit. I have a copy of the tome, is it actually worth running, or are the other options just that bad? That list is actually obtainable, particularly since I have a top and scroll rack already. I just wish there was slightly overcosted read the bones in white.

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>>51550060
God, that art makes me so fucking sad. The shit that happened to the angels in the whole SOI block makes me so fucking sad.

Only thing before that was this depressing was phyrexian angels.

>>51550107
with white and red, you don't have many options.

You can even try Candles of Leng instead of the Tome, but its still a gamble in EDH. (basic lands for example)

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GUYS! Is this spicy anti-token tech?

>>51550171
Why not run Virulent Plague and be done with it?

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>>51550171
>Pay 0 and Tap: Tokens can't attack or block this turn.
I'd say so, anon.

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>>51550154
But Atraxia was satisfied with her Compleation

>>51550163
Man, I'll splurge and set it up, but every time I look at building Boros, I always get distract by jeskai then give up because the mana base will be so fucked. Any spicy reanimator tech that isn't feldon or suntitan? Maybe I'll just spam loot effects and control enchantments...

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>>51550060
>>51550107
>>51550313

>>51550313
>cantrip enchantments not control
That's an oddly specific auto-correct. Maybe I should also include some ghostly prison nonsense instead of gratuitous violence/dictate of the twin gods, like I originally planned.

>>51550295

Yes, because they totally didn't warp her mind along with her body.

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>>51550154
Filename and pic related was an actual thing the artist did for the arts he was commissioned for for the two Innistrad blocks.
Really sad story, especially since I'm a HUGE Angel fan.

http://www.howardlyon.com/illustration-store/isobel-the-angel

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>>51545735
It is a shit tier list, but Thrasios is very, very good.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/r-i-p-t-i-d-e/

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Alright /edhg/, I've been on a bit of a lore kick lately and I wanted to know, would you be ok if someone showed up at your LGS and wanted to have both of these siblings in the command zone? I kinda wanna make a Phyrexian themed deck and these two have sweet art. Crovax's(Ascendant Evincar) art isn't really my thing, Greven always felt like a servant, and Volrath, while my second choice, kinda has a linear "pitch big cards" thing going.
rate my special snowflake commanders
/blog

>>51551992
It's mostly up to your playgroup.
I have someone in my group that likes to use both Brothers Yamazaki as twin heads of a mono-Red deck, and we're all fine with it. We just treat them as having Partner, so they're counted separately for things like Commander damage and tax.

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>>51551992
Get ready for a flood of autism, anon. These faggots can't handle anything that deviates from the rules as written.

I wouldn't really care. It's clearly a sub-optimal deck made for funsies.

>>51551775
I kind of have a hate boner for anything simic, ( and I haven't really played it either ) so I'm probably a bit biased. But what does he offer over like momir vig or kruphix? Simic and mono blue seems always boils down to
>get infinite mana
>blue sun zenith and friends and mill everyone to death

or

>enter the infinite + lab man

>>51552122
Nah, that's pretty much it.
Nearly every UG or UGx deck boils down to
>generate infinite mana
>do infinite combo / cast cmc X card for infinite with said mana

Doesn't help that it's inherently uninteresting and uninterruptible thanks to having U, so they just counter and bounce anything you try to do to stop them.

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>>51545489
Yes please ban this card. I'm getting tired of people telling me "You pulled a bomb EDH card at prerelease" I just want to dump this fucking thing.

>>51545653
I don't know your pain friend. I run gitrog and he almost never gets removed instead they play politics allowing me to get the quillspike/necrotic ooze combo

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>>51548894
FTV Rith looks pretty cool in my opinion.

Certainly not as cool as the Treva promo, but still pretty damn cool.

>>51545622
>not grouphug not chaos
welp, not zedruu apparently

>>51545283
gf plays atraxa. its stanky. i play yidris, it's stanky.

brewing my own sheoldred deck, it's so far vamp tribal with sac engine shenanigans

>>51546694
I've found that Zur is pretty much run by either completely oblivious newbies or turbofaggot "competitive EDH" players, with the skew more towards the latter. If, after the game you mentioned to him that Zur tends to attract hate and mentored him towards finding a commander in the same colors with a much smaller bullseye, it's really not that bad.

On the other hand, if you just kinda kicked sand at him and told him to get off the beach until he got swole, then yeah, you're a dick and should feel bad.

Not saying you should hold the poor guy's hand. Once you realize he's not a turbofaggot or at least pretending not to be, though, you should at least let him know he might attract less hate if he either switches commanders or forewarns his opponents that he's not going balls deep no lube. Build up the playerbase, don't detract from it.

>>51549911
bump

Got a Queen Marchesa pillowfort deck, wondering which basic lands would look nice for her. Suggestions?

>>51548381
Hopefully, commanders that show that WotC took the fuckin' time to do even a modicum of playtesting before rushing it out the door. I'm not gonna get my hopes up.

>>51548456
I'd be fine if, somewhere down the road, not Amonkhet but a couple of sets down the road, maybe sneaking a dude or two into the main Standard set with Partner.

Then again, I do have an issue with Wizards coming up with neat ideas and mechanics, then completely ignoring them to the point where they're almost forgotten before doing anything with them. Shit like Flanking, Partner, Vehicles seem destined to go down that path, Detain, Rush, Bolster, all neat stuff that can definitely be used later on down the road. All probably going to be ignored until we might return to said plane, and we get yet another Jacetice League-based uninspired plot to meander through.

Hell, your pic brings up a good point, in that the partners were really safe, bland ideas stapled to mediocre bodies. Push the fuckin' envelope a bit, maybe take a risk and bring in some older keywords that haven't been seen in a while. Shit like Wither or Hideaway, both not seen since the Lowryn/Shadowmoor block back in 2008. 2008! Fuckin' A, I remember when that shit was coming out, and now I feel old.

>>51551992
Aww shit, someone remembers these guys exist. They're not great, but I'm not a terribly big fan of monocolored EDH decks anyway, so fuck it, do it up.

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Theres not an Ask a Judge thread up right now so ill ask here. Say i manage to put pic related into play without casting him, do i still have to pay the echo cost at the beginning of next upkeep?

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>>51551559
Oh

>>51551559
I still kinda secretly hope she lived. But i know better.

>>51552702
yes

>>51552702
>At the beginning of your upkeep, if this came under your control since the beginning of your last upkeep, sacrifice it unless you pay its echo cost.
>if this came under your control since the beginning of your last upkeep
Yes, you do.

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Oh man, that makes it even worse. I'm also a huge angel fan, even before I started playing Magic, so this is just depressing.

>>51552758
>>51552770
Fucking sweet.

>>51552122
Thrasios removes the need for BSZ for his infinite combos, since he can be the combo piece that ends the game once you have one brazilion mana. Also, partner lets me run Kydele, who can generate infinite mana fueling Thrasios.

So I'm thinking about the non W C16 set, is it good?

>>51552367
Ravnica Basics capture the feeling of Paliano pretty well.

>>51552785
>removes the need for infinite combos
>run him to perform infinite combos

Thank fuck I run newzuri without sage of hours and win the proper way commander damage. I won't stoop to the faggotry of other UG players

>>51552754
Well there's still Angels, which Composed the Flight of Nightmares, but other then Brisela and a Uncommon not much was heard of them.

>>51552959
Also Sigarda is still around, and the Flight of Nightmares are delirious.

>>51552971
Oh yeah, I think Sigarda's legions all were sane.

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>>51552937
Pretty good out of the box, and it is easily upgradable.

>>51552959
Pretty sure they all got PURGED by Sigarda, whom is now Avacyn 2.0 (this time unable to do what even 1/3 the original did), to try and protect the peoples of Innistrad from all of the horrible bullshit going on. ofc without oldwalker magic backing her up im pretty sure whats left of the Humans of Innistrad are going to have to abandon the lifestyles they once led and go full lockdown mode just to survive.

>>51552987
Actually many of her Flight got corrupted and turned, there are apparently very few Angel left of Innistrad at this point.

>>51552987
Yeah, so she could potentially rebuild the other flights, since the source of the insanity is encased in the moon. Not sure if she's still effecting the world (Emmy), but I don't think so given her language about it.

>>51552956
I think you misunderstood me. Thrasios is great because he allows you to combo out without needing to draw into one of the combo pieces, in this case BSZ/SoG, etc.

>>51551992

Anyone who wouldn't allow it for funsies is a fucking nerd that needs to be spanked with moonrocks. And this is coming from a guy that runs sharuum eggs, zur degeneracy and doomsday in any deck that can fit it. I fucking love the rush of a post-Doomsday game.

But yeah, why not have those two?

>>51553025
Emmy is locked up in the largest Helvault ever.

So basically, Sigarda is best girl

>>51553046
That doesn't really mean anything for Emrakul, though. She could break herself out at any time. She locked herself in there. She said she's just waiting for the world to be 'ready' for her, so she might still be effecting it until that point.

But she also might just scream again since people threw rocks at her and got mad :C

>>51553008
>>51553025
I'm hoping some sane angels survived somehow.

>>51553064
Well it's probably not ready because the other Two Eldrazi got ripped into Reality and toasted.

>>51553031
I understood perfectly. You contradicted yourself by saying thrasios doesn't need to combo whilst saying he is a combo engine.

>>51553049
While not an angel, Freyalise is true best girl

>>51551992
We have someone in our group with a Kentaro, The Smiling Cat samurai tribal deck in our group who uses non-white samurai and nobody minds, mostly because it's not very good at all.

EDH is for fun. Sometimes breaking the rules is fun.

>>51553091
You contradicted yourself by saying thrasios doesn't need to combo whilst saying he is a combo engine.
No, I said Thrasios is great because he makes your combos more efficient by not needing to draw into a mana outlet. For instance, a Kruphix deck may need Palinchron + Deadeye + BSZ in hand to combo out, where in Thrasios only needs Palinchron + Deadeye.

>>51553116
Forgot the > on the first line, my b

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>>51553116
Whatever you say pal. No point in debating with your dumb ass.

>>51553102
He also has two copies of the Brothers Yamazaki. It's just a fun, mostly garbage deck that he pulls out when he's winning too much.

>>51552937
I might be buying it on sunday, I'll let /edhg/ know about its performance.

>>51552277
You know nothing, my child.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ideal-zedruu/

>>51549902
Why not use the best option when it's available?

>>51548381
My money is on allied-colored decks (or possibly 5-color and colorless decks), and I'm really hoping for some reprints of staples with the new frame.

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So someone in my playgroup happens to browse the general. I wonder who it could be.

>Tune in next time on Monday/Tuesday EDH

>>51548381
Allied colors, another set of partners so we can have two of each color and one mono colored partner per deck.

>>51553276
I don't get the appeal of HoG. Is it just because it's cheap and flying?

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>>51551992
I'd totally allow it. I've talked my own group into letting me run Form of the Dragon so I can be my own commander though I haven't actually built it yet, sadly.

Hell, at least you're actually using legendary creatures.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/04-02-17-rg-dragons/

Pretty sure I have too much ramp and not enough to use with the ramp. But this is my second ever deck so I kinda happy with it so far

It's your typical super-budget, super-ramp dragons deck.

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Is there any way to build a militant druid EDH deck?

>>51551992

Personally, I find those two to be completely awesome together. And the cumulative upkeeps on both will (or should) keep you in check. I'd allow it, especially because of the whole "siblings" thing going on.

But if it were two random black legendaries? Nothx bro

>>51553623
>run Form of the Dragon so I can be my own commander
I've done this. It's both infuriating and fucking amazing

>>51553624
You need Scourge of the Throne and Dragon Tempest. Maybe Moltensteel Dragon too.

But definitely Dragon Tempest.

>>51553575
Using the right cards you can constantly recur it and keep the main threat to your deck in check as you build your doomsday machine.

>>51553683

Dragon Tempest is already on the list. Also forgot to mention, I don't/can't buy cards over like $1.50. Hence the "super-budget" part

I use Hellkite Charger as a cheapo version of Scourge of the Throne

>>51552122
Commander is your win condition, so as long as you have labman (not recommended) or something that lets you shuffle your grave into your deck, you can just cast anything any number of times.

Also it doesn't have to be creatures, so you can play dramatic reversal instead of deadeye shit

>>51553777
You also get 4 colors. Which is better than just UG.

Alright guys, which one of these is better? I wanna say Burgeoning, because if your hand is full of land and you're in a 4+ player game, you'll end up dropping more land out than you would with the extra drop Exploration gives you.

>>51553825

If you have the card draw to back it up, Burgeoning is objectively better. If not, Exploration.

Though you gotta consider that Burgeoning could get to the point (in the late-game stage) where opponents decide to not play lands anymore, which makes it useless. But then again if you're at 10+ mana, do you really need it anymore?

>>51553825
I'd say pack both, since they're really only useful in the early game, and with both in a deck, you're more likely to get one of them when it'll put in the most work.

If I had to pick one though, Burgeoning, though to make it work, you either need decent card draw like the anon above me said, or a pretty heavy land count.

>>51553627

Seton. Hope you like playing Paradox Engine into Craterhoof

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>>51553825
>>51553868
>>51553967
Whoops, forgot to post the image.

>>51553737
Dragonstorm is way too expensive. Cut it. Also, I don't think Crucible of Fire is necessary, considering most of your dragons are pretty huge. I would recommend some more ramp and haste enablers so they can swing fast. Maybe a Kessig Wolf Run too

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Does Abundance's ability allow me to pitch the two cards instead of paying Sylvan Library's life cost to keep them, or do I still need to pay 4 life those those two cards?

>>51554107
Abundance replaces the card draw, so Sylvan doesn't see you "draw" the cards. The two together effectively read, "Filter three cards of your choice of either land or nonland in order off the top of your library, and put them into your hand for fuggin free".

>>51554180
Thanks anon.

>Mfw I played Abundance wrong the first time by pitching cards by stating a cardtype, henceforth I was just cheating

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What makes this card so good? How do I efficiently use this as part of a Voltron deck?

>>51554107

this card is so awesome. i love when i have an enchantress in play plus this, because i can play an enchantment and name nonland, and ill probably reveal another enchantment off the top, play that, do the same thing, and on and and on

also part of my enduring ideal wincon combo. i get poss storm + rule of law in play, so nobody can cast spells, then i get sphere of safety and/or solitary confinement and such in play, so nobody can kill me with the creatures they have in play already, then i get abundance and i can't be decked, so its only a matter of time before everybody decks themselves (i get rest in peace if they have eldrazi titans)

>>51554332

this is card is stupidly good in limited and cube and legacy, etc because you only need to get off one attack or block with it and then youre set, because the counters stay on the jitte even if the equipped creature dies. you can then use the counters to -1/-1 away any blockers they may have had, which frees you up to keep attacking and getting more counters on the jitte, at which point your opponent scoops

desu its kind of overrated in edh though, its still great but not OP, because the multiplayer format and the general splashier nature, means the value of sniping X/1's is less meaningful

it still gets pretty silly with double strike, i recommend rafiq for the jitte. if you wanna try out sram, make sure you have battle mastery and fireshrieker

now that i think about it, its also pretty good with first strike, because you can use the counters before your opponents creatures get to deal combat damage

>>51553825
>>51553868
>>51553967
>>51554007

i actually think exploration is better because playing extra lands on your own turn is better than playing them on your opponents

there are certain situations where burgeoning gets you more mana, like if you have consecrated sphinx or something, but i think thats win more, and the advantage of being in control of the timing of the land drops with exploration makes it better than burgeoning

i think no matter what deck youre running, if you only include 1 of the two, you include exploration.

>>51554332
You'd be surprised what an instant speed (effectively) free +2/+2 or -1/-1 can do for you. And as the other anon stated, the counters stay on. So if you swing this with your little mana dork or early ramp critter, then it still has those counters when your voltron or effective beater comes out.

If you can defend it, the thing is fairly strong - it's not gonna go flying around the table hamstringing Ulamogs and Kozileks, but it has its own subtle strengths that really shine in decks where that +2/+2 truly matters.

>>51545691
>Super late game playing Riku
>Have a ton of mana plus Vorinclex on the board
>Cast Eternal Dominion
>Copied with Riku
>Reverberate it
>Copied with Riku
>Increasing Venegance
>Copied with Riku
>Flashback Increasing Venegance
>Copied with Riku
>Copied Riku's trigger with Strionic Resonator
Was pretty hilarious

>>51553627
There's always gilt-leaf archdruid

>>51554065
>Dragonstorm is way too expensive.

I figured all the ramp I was using would help. I'd keep it for late game, then play a spell or two and then bam! 2-3 dragon tutors to the battlefield. Like a "this game is going too long, fuck it" kinda thing

>I don't think Crucible of Fire is necessary,

Yeah, I think you're right. That'll get changed out for Fires of Yavimaya

>>51549825
>Oh it's a secret anon ;)
Why the fuck do people do this

>new guy at lgs
>mono black deck
>ask about it to gauge the powerlevel
>"oh that's super secret, but it does play combo..."
>everyone expects the worst
>friends whip out derevi and prossh
>i take out ad naus oloro
>completely shit on him, he gets to do nothing of importance the entire game
>turns out he had a mono black tokens deck with sanguine bond + exquisite blood as his only combo

Felt bad for him, but he kinda brought it on himself

>>51555087

Lol to be fair, if you're gonna act like suuuuch a badass, you should expect people to go hard against you

>>51555087
>gettin ready for a casual game with my mega casual meme deck
>some guy plays academy rector turn 3 or something
>ask them if they're running omniscience
>"i don't know"
>ask him again
>"i don't want to tell you"
>"ok"
>scoop and leave the table
>he gets hella mad
>come back 2 minutes later to check and he has omniscience out

this is what happens when an unstoppable manchild encounters an immovable tryhard

>>51555204
>mega casual meme deck

Super interested in a deck list. I'm always about finding new ways to dick around with friends

Also fuck Omniscience. One of the cheapest cards there is

>>51552956
>commander damage
>newzuri

You do know that you can't place +1/+1 counters on ezuri, right?

>>51547774
It's busted in blue decks that reliably empty their hands. Otherwise you end up with situations that you actually help your opponent.

>>51555241
i can't quite remember what deck it was, but i'm pretty sure it was my monoblack. i've already reworked it into a yahenni deck though.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/geth-the-christmas-grinch/

it has no real built-in wincons besides either reanimating its own gary a lot, casting rise of the dark realms on turn 12 or just smashing people with the commander. typically it just tries to kill people's creatures and reanimate them for fun.

i guess it's not exactly a "mega casual meme deck" since it does have a few wincons, but it was more about being completely incapable of answering academy rector->omniscience at all, and having no way to win before like turn 13 myself

here's my actual real meme deck that i bring out when i absolutely just want to meme around for most of the game and then maybe cast mob rule and smash the blue player

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/25-11-16-lord-of-war/

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Rate my waifu

>>51555474
Love the design. Could only get better with white borders and anime artwork.

>>51555381

Back in the day I had a memetastic deck with Gwafa Hazid, and like every artifact/creature/enchantment had "pay/tap to untap target creature/permanent" and just tap/untap/tap/untap/tap/untap Gwafa over and over every single turn to just lock down everyone's creatures.

No wincon whatsoever. Just fuckery. I miss it...

>>51545489
/tg/ is indeed terrible at magic

>>51545644
Heartless Hidetsugu + Damage Doubler

>>51555552
Off by 3
>>51555555

>>51545871
Lazav or Wrexial would be much better choices. This will get you access to Praetor's Grasp, some good tutors, and solid sac engines for the shit you steal.

>>51554417
I disagree for the existence of cards like Consecrated Sphinx or, sexy synergy, Horn of Greed. Exploration is good for your turn, but in practice burgeoning will dump far more lands for you due to the multiplayer nature of the format.

Let's talk about cards that put in work.
Motherfucking Capsize.

MVP in my (U)Braids deck.

In other news, Paradox Haze + Timesifter + (U)Braids + Gate to the AEther = A lot of fun, but too many goddamn moving parts.

Devouring Light, Nissa's Expedition and Sundering Vitae.

Are they any good in tokens.dec?

>>51553064
> she could break herself out at any time

Oh god please no. I don't want to go through the eldrazi thing a third (3rd!) time...

>>51555745
I once played a chaos deck just to get better at remembering and figuring out triggers.

It was interesting but I don't recommend it if you want to maintain friends.

>>51553064
>>51555980
I'm not sure it could, though. Just because it basically willed itself to be bound to Innistrad's Moon doesn't necessarily mean it can just bust itself out anytime it wants.

Yes, Emrakul changed the spell that bound it and mindraped Tamiyo to cast it, but that doesn't mean Emrakul controls the binding.

Think of it as letting yourself be caught by the police and sent to jail. Just because you let them put you there doesn't mean you can just say "Right, I don't want to be here anymore," and magically bust out without any trouble.

>>51554674
Zirilan player here. Dragonstorm sounds awesome, and that's because it is. It's a big, dumb card that fulfils all your Timmy dreams. But it's seriously way too impractical to cast. I could only ever use it if I went infinite, and even then the game is already over so it's just spiking the football at that point. I'd cut it for something else tbqh.

>>51555661
Burgeoning doesn't trigger Horn of Greed, as it's only triggered by the special 'play a land' action, which burgeoning is not.

Why the hell is Dark Depths so damned expensive?

Where does it see play?

>>51556401
Legacy. There's literally a whole deck centered around getting the counters cheated off of it so you have a 20/20.

>>51556401
I'm pretty sure the best legacy deck for a while after FtV: Lore was something something dark depths combo.

>>51556411
>>51556414
Fuckin lame.

Well, I'm sure the deck is cool, but fuck having to shell out 35 bucks.

>>51556426
Good cards tend to be expensive. Unfortunately it's just the way this hobby works.

>>51556426
An FTV promo is only $25 bucks. Why not buy the whole lore thing for like $100 from your LGS to get a Jitte, Unmask, Momir Vig, Memnarch and shiny ass Obliterate too?

>>51556438
I just wouldn't have expected that particular card to see play outside of EDH or something, and be like 10 bucks, max.
Shows what I know about the game.

>>51556453
I find a lot of the FTV cards to be of iffy quality.

>>51556472
>I find a lot of the FTV cards to be of iffy quality.
>he hasn't seen the new foiling on the Lore FTV
It's sexy anon. No curly cards, nice laminate foiling, and they look fancy as fuck.

>>51556472
I like the FTV foils except one thing, those two vertical glossy lines across the entire card they all have as a result of the foiling process. It's weird and unesthetic.

>>51556499
All I know is my Tolaria West looks disgustigross.

Next time I go to the shop, I'll take a look at Lore FTV.

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>>51556453

>$100

dude

>>51556542
Anon, if you can get them that cheap, I suggest buying as many as you can. Jitte and Dark Depths alone are worth more than that, not even mentioning the neat Merit Leige token.

>>51556530
Really? In what way does it look gross? The foil lines, like the anon said, and they do have this plastic veneer to them, but in a sleeve they look tits from across the table.

>>51556453
>>51556542
FTV isn't worth it for the value
if you really want those cards and don't care about the financial aspect FTV is great though

>>51556692
We play commander anon, none of us particularly care about the price of our cards because we only need to buy one copy of each thing.

But you're also wrong, while original printings will obviously be more expensive, give it time and this particular FTV is going to be quite expensive. This isn't like Angels where the only worthwhile cards were Avacyn and Iona.

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>>51556542
if you don't live in spain/italy it won't be worth it due to shipping

>>51556717
>We play commander anon, none of us particularly care about the price of our cards because we only need to buy one copy of each thing.
Your reasoning doesn't make any sense to me.
What do you mean you don't care about value? would you trade me a mana vault for my scarred puma or what? and how do you need only one copy of each? do you only have one deck? I have like 8 copies of sol ring 3 necropotence and phyrexian arena, 2 Gauntlet of Power, etc.

>But you're also wrong, while original printings will obviously be more expensive, give it time and this particular FTV is going to be quite expensive. This isn't like Angels where the only worthwhile cards were Avacyn and Iona.
FTV lore has Jitta and Dark Depths value wise, you could maybe count unmask too that's it.

>>51556729

Guess I'm lucky then. I never thought about getting FTV but this and angels look good

>>51556792
Don't be silly anon.

We're aware of the general price of cards, but we aren't playing the MTG Stock Market like other formats. We buy what we want because it's good and fits into our decks, not because we need a playset of something expensive to actually play the format. While most of us would have quite a few Sol Rings, there's no real reason to buy 4 Elesh Norn, or multiple copies of Mana Crypt, unless your group is particularly salty about you abusing very powerful cards in every deck.

The singleton nature of the format means you can get away with having a more diverse collection. I've proxied various things that I own all the time, and it's a fairly accepted practice, though I intentionally build things spread out across multiple archetypes so I don't need multiple copies for multiple decks. No one will be mad if you're proxying a card you own and can reliably produce if asked.

Now, the thing about FtV: Lore is, between Jitte, Dark Depths, the token, Unmask, Momir Vig and Memnarch, you have a pretty reasonable chunk of cards that will consistently see play. While Momir and Memnarch are niche, they are very popular commanders with neat foiling on them, though Memnarch's flavour text is horrible. Also, you almost make your money back with Depths and Jitte, whereas Iona is like $9 and Platinum Angel is like $7.

FTVs are pretty much almost worth it if you get it at MSRP, I think the only exception might be Annihilation but most of those cards are at least $5 a piece (although Burning of Xinye is $60 otherwise).

I preorder every FTV at my LGS for MSRP (so like $40 tops) and I come out like a bandit every time, I would never advocate buying one after the fact unless you're some sort of collector. Considering you'll only want to play like 3 cards tops from any FTV, you can just buy the singles.

let me get some feedback on this deck

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/02-02-17-mogis-god-of-slaughter/

>>51556918
Why do people do this? Just have lists that you can build on the spot. Section off similar decks that share pieces to quickly organize things. Am I the only one who does this? I only need one of each card in my collection.

>>51557412
it looks like it would get you hated off the table in an instant without you being able to say anything about it

imo group slug doesn't really work as an archetype unless your deck is extremely cutthroat and can 1v3 the table. my friend's nekusar deck never really wins unless there are bigger threats to deal with. usually people just ignore him for most of the game, occasionally killing off his nekusar, then he ends up 1v1 against some beefy lategame board state and just gets his shit slapped

so yeah, might want to test your stuff out on xmage or something to see if it actually survives at all

>>51556918
Marit Lage is a legendary creature. The legacy deck built her runs 4 dark depths, but would only need one token, that's why the token is worth dick.

Besides that, momir vig is worth almost nothing, memnarch is a dollar and unmask is five bucks.

Jitte and DD are the only value cards. In price they pretty much have a 1:1 correspondence with avacyn and iona, the two most valuable cards from FTV: angels.

Lore will not have a big rise in price, too much bulk.

>>51557505
The token was worth like $20 for the longest time because it was only printed as a promo from Coldsnap.

FTV Memnarch is $4, non foil Memnarchs are like $8 already.

The Unmask is $10 at least, it was recently subject to a buyout. Mercadian Masques copies are $15.

>>51557505
>>51557524
You two live on different continents.

None of the FTVs from recent years are worth investing into. First off, you're too late, and second, everyone else and their grandma has the same idea, which means they'll never go up in price.

>>51557524
But because the token generally has a demand that's 4 times less than the demand of DD, it'll stay low for a long time.

>>51545540
I actually took out the Mine Layer cuz it was really slow at 4cmc and competed with a lot of other stuff. Land destruction isn't welcome where I play usually either.

And I have the anthem.

>>51557524
Sometimes I pity Americans.

>>51555661
the question is, i think, which one of those do you want to go nuts on turn 1,and in that respect i think burgeoning wins.

>>51557926
Depends on what else is in your hand. If you're heavy on lands in your hand then Burgeoning is good, Exploration lets you do more on turn 1 though (like Exploration->second land->another 1 drop, etc).

Still both cards are good and should be played in land-heavy decks.

>>51553089
That still pissed me off to this day,
>three oldwalkers couldn't even imagine killing them
>one nuwalker goes hurr durr I cast fireball and kills them

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I finally got my first victory with the Mechanized Production win-con. I enchanted a Thopter, I had a Thopter Spy Network, Pia and Kiran, my commander (Breya) all giving me thopters, and to top things off I had Padeem on the field giving all artifacts hexproof. The turn before my winning upkeep one opponent swung at me for 30 damage, but I didn't even care because it wasn't lethal. It felt good.

>>51558048
To be honest, Ugin probably lied about killing them because of how mad he was when he found out (Zendikar Resurgent) and it definitely wasn't one Planeswalker.

>>51558048

It's not like they couldn't kill them. Ugin advised them against doing so because they could potentially fuck up the fabric of reality if they did, so they captured them

The Jacetice League had 0 means to capture them and the plan to kill them had like 1/1000 chance of success

i have the opportunity to go to GP vegas this year, i wouldnt be playing competitively but should i go?

>>51556027
>>51553064
>>51558096
>>51558105
Where are you guys getting all the lore from? I thought WOTC stopped commissioning novels?

Is this all just pieced together from flavor text snippets?

>>51558132
The lore is now online, it's easier for them then novels.

>>51558132

No more novels, they now instead have weekly story articles http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/columns/magic-story

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WEW

>>51558105
>the plan to kill them had like 1/1000 chance of success
That doesn't mean fucking anything from a storytelling point of view when the protagonists are known mary sues that won't get killed off

>>51558293
Magic lore is not exactly known for being well written. It's just fanservice that storyfags can toss their spunk at.

>>51558190
>buy the 3-4 foil 7th edition grizzly bears on TCG
>put one up for $1000
>OMG SPIKE

>>51558190
What the fuck, that foil is less than 2 dollars on mcm.

Been wanting to build a mill deck that doesn't self-mill for a while now. How does this look to you guys, /edh/?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/classic-dimir-mill-2/?cat=type&sort=

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>>51558797
I you aren't running on a budget Ulamog would be a good addition

>>51545590
Last game night I had a horrible draw with my patron of the moon deck. I had 4 lands out by turn 8. I played a strata scythe to avoid discarding something. Then one of shitbags decides to utter end it because "he's lost games to strata scythe before"

>>51558797
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/classic-dimir-mill-2/?cat=type&sort=

Are you running this in a multiplayer or duel format? I only ask because a few of your single target mills spells obviously could be replaced. But I get what you're going for and the deck will definitely do what you want it to do without breaking your budget.

Also, have you considered slotting in a deck recycler silver bullet like extract? My playground wised up to my milling ways and starting slotting them into a few decks that made sense. Being able to remove it entirely is pretty useful. Also, as you're playing Phenax have you considered eater of the dead? It straight up wins if you have it and your god on the field.

Naturally you can buy all sorts of expensive and goodstuffy shit to push yourself further but the deck is solid. I would recommend lifeline if your opponents start wizing up and try to boardwipe you, it's a great artifact.

1x Meren of Clan Nel Toth
1x Acidic Slime
1x Avenger of Zendikar
1x Champion of Stray Souls
1x Creakwood Liege
1x Demon of Dark Schemes
1x Disciple of Bolas
1x Eternal Witness
1x Fauna Shaman
1x Fleshbag Marauder
1x Ghoulcaller Gisa
1x Gonti, Lord of Luxury
1x Grave Titan
1x Greenwarden of Murasa
1x Grim Haruspex
1x Harvester of Souls
1x It That Betrays
1x Korozda Guildmage
1x Lim-Dul the Necromancer
1x Massacre Wurm
1x Noxious Gearhulk
1x Ob Nixilis, Unshackled
1x Puppeteer Clique
1x Reclamation Sage
1x Rune-Scarred Demon
1x Savra, Queen of the Golgari
1x Sepulchral Primordial
1x Sheoldred, Whispering One
1x Shriekmaw
1x Sidisi, Undead Vizier
1x Skullwinder
1x Solemn Simulacrum
1x Terastodon
1x Woodfall Primus
1x Yahenni, Undying Partisan
1x Blighted Woodland
1x Blooming Marsh
1x Command Tower
13x Forest
1x Golgari Rot Farm
1x Grim Backwoods
1x High Market
1x Hissing Quagmire
1x Overgrown Tomb
1x Phyrexian Tower
13x Swamp
1x Tainted Wood
1x Temple of Malady
1x Westvale Abbey Flip
1x Woodland Cemetery
1x Aid from the Cowl
1x Animate Dead
1x Asceticism
1x Attrition
1x Black Market
1x Deadbridge Chant
1x Dictate of Erebos
1x Evolutionary Leap
1x Grave Pact
1x Palace Siege
1x Buried Alive
1x Demonic Tutor
1x Dread Return
1x Dread Summons
1x Eldritch Evolution
1x Jarad's Orders
1x Life's Legacy
1x Living Death
1x Reanimate
1x Victimize
1x Entomb
1x Grisly Salvage
1x Plunge into Darkness
1x Aetherworks Marvel
1x Birthing Pod
1x Panharmonicon

>>51559139
Tappedout you uncultured swine.

>>51559139
1. Use an external site such as TappedOut or DeckStats
2. State what you're looking for. Tell us if you want suggestions on replacements, or if you're just posting your decklist for no reason.

>>51559139
filtered and filtered all replies

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Opinions on my Kraj list? Haven't updated it yet to put in Voidslime, still wondering what to take out. Meta consists of graveyard, voltron, 75% decks, and altered precons.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/kraj-combos-4/

>>51559207
>>51559236
Not posting my username on 4chan

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>>51557524
20 fucking bucks?
dude...

>>51559321
then don't expect anyone to help you, you mongoloid

>>51559338
>for the longest time
learn to read

>>51559341
You probably just want to spam me some disgusting porn or some shit

>>51559386
of course that's all we ever do here on 4chan.org
why'd you even ask for help in the first place? we're just gonna spam frog pictures anyway

>>51559321
>>51559386
>being this paranoid about posting your online username of a MtG website in a MtG thread
If this were, say, /b/, I'd agree with you on not posting any info.
But this is /tg/, we're at least semi-decent here.

And like >>51559341 said, posting a decklist straight here and not through an external site just shits up the thread and makes people ignore you more.

>>51559338
>reading comprehension
I swear that last time I checked, 'was' refers to past.

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>>51546335

>>51559386
I for one don't care about a single shitter enough to waste my time trying to ruin their day for no other reason than shits and giggles. I care less about a shitter paranoid enough to hinder the overall thread with long ass novel of cards that I have to look up if I'm not sure what it does.
Unless you're one of those facebook idiots that have listed their complete real name and/or address and/or phone number there, which you should never do anyway, but it should be common knowledge.
tl;dr, only way you're getting help is with tappedout link, full decklists will only get you whine.

>>51559009
>Are you running this in a multiplayer or duel format? I only ask because a few of your single target mills spells obviously could be replaced.
Didn't think of this, thanks. Obviously I should replace them with spells that target everyone, but are there any that you might recommend?

>>51559308
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/kraj-combos-4/

I've got a Kraj and I'd love to run him, but I'm not seeing the wincon. What do you go for, just Commander damage?

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>>51559308
>all those counterspells
it keeps hapening

>march of the machines

jegus christ how horrifying. maybe get asceticism while your at it.

what do you think of my playmat for Sweet Kynaios and Hella Tiro Brohug?

>>51559891
I try to combo off with either
Infinite Mill
Infinite Damage
Infinite Commander Damage
Infinite Permanent Destruction
and tons of other infinite shit. think of it like a huge ass toolbox who can acclimatize to any situation.

>>51559904
BRo...
on a side note though, me being the retard i am i found out mycosynth and march destroy all lands, and i was about to throw karn into the deck too haha

>>51559321
It's fucking tappedout, not Facebook you fucking retard. If you're using any real life data on your tappedout then that just solidifies even more that you're a retard.

Kill yourself.

>>51559935
you should throw in stuff like darksteel forge and eldrazi monument to keep your things. maybe some more copycat stuff to steel thier combobos.

also you can use graft to steal combo pieces and use them while their stuff has summoning sickness.

>>51560064
I am aware of the Graft useage, but Darksteel never crossed my mind. If I were to throw that in, what would i take ouy?

>>51558105
>"Fuck it let's just channel fireball them."

>>51555267
Not that hard actually. Spikes, Forgotten Ancient, that Bandar from Revolt. there are other ways, but those pop to mind quickest. pair it with so.e proliferate and you can go to town with him.

>>51560141
hard to say, maybe a counter or a island.

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Noob here, Is this card playable? I've see a copy of it at my Lgs for a dollar for the longest time I wondered if it was good at all.

>>51561365
In certain decks, yeah.

It's nice removal bait, for sure.

>>51561407
Would it be good in a breya precon?

>>51561365
>>51561407
shit, thats going in my raidmother turn and burn deck.

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>>51561365
Use it with Vorel of the Hull Clade.

>>51561436
No

>>51559427
I've been harassed by people on /tg/ before. They filled my inbox with nasty messages. I'm just being careful now

>>51561436
Probably not, Breya is more concerned about infinites than life. You need life gain, and Breya rarely goes for the life gain option

Is there any fun commander that builds around discard? Both discarding your own cards and making your opponent discard their cards.

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>>51561774

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>>51559139
>>51559321
>>51559386
>>51561676
>Being this sensitive
If you can't handle the mild shit that /tg/ dishes out, you might want to pick someone other that Meren, buttercup.

>I've been harassed by people
Golly gee, I can't imagine why. You sure don't seem like an inviting target.

>>51561774
>Is there any fun commander
No.

Try Nath. Elfball with Black to back it up, you can go as heavy or light on the discard as you want.

>>51561470
>>51561365
Atraxa?.....

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>>51561774
>>51561808
A match made in heaven

>>51545740
Same happened to me with Emrakul. I mean, it's my Commander, so no regrets, but still.

Been wanting to build a Sultai self-mill deck for a while now. Finally settled on this Sidisi list. How does it look?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/the-lich-king-and-master-of-zombies/

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I'm working on a mono colored deck of each color and I've come to Blue. I've narrowed it down to two options: Mighty Morphin Fatties or Tribal Tribal. Not the most optimal decks, but they seem interesting.

Which do you like /edhg/?

>>51563138
Tribal tribal

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>>51546694
I did the same thing to a newbie playing derevi bird tribal with teferi stasis.

>>51563138
Mistform would be so amazing if he were 5c. Mono blue really hurts what you can do.

>>51561365
I played against a monoblack deck that had a ton of pay X life cards and used that to regain what he paid. phyrexian processor for 30 followed by a land drop was pretty cool.

>>51563485
>5 Color Mistform
So, Slivers?

Honestly, Blue has plenty of fine tribal support, and there's always artifacts and lands, too. I've seen it done and the Ultimus is surprisingly slippery.

>>51563138
I'd also say Tribal Tribal. Jalira seems like it would require significant setup.

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>>51563485
>>51563592
Here's your 5 colour changeling tribal commander

>>51563592
>>51563787
There's a big difference between a commander that's a changeling and a commander that wants changelings

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Made a sacrificial burn deck, I feel really unsure about it /edh/, What do you guys think?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/04-02-17-the-murder-king/
I like to think its original but its probably not ;_;

If I want to meme as hard on people as hard as I can what commander should I roll with

>>51564296
Narset probably.

>>51564296
Cromat, no actual deck theme. Just meme cards

>>51563890
Obviously, but if you want to play changelings, there's no better option than Reaper King. When every creature you play ETBs a vindicate, you know you have some value.

>>51564232
I've got a copy of THE MURDER KING that I've been trying to find a use for because he's so cool looking but he's just. so. bad. I can't bring myself to do anything with him.

More power to ya, though.

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How's my arsenal look? I'm trying to tweak things to reduce overlap in card pool and play styles.

>>51564296
Norin the wary

>>51564296
Budget Tazri Chain

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Would you risk allowing to play against a entirely Un-set deck, not counting the commander?

>>51564398
Yeah honestly hes really bad but I'm trying to make him work. Its my inner johnny

>>51564742
The worst part is, I own Lyzolda, too. She's better in practically every way.

That being said, your deck looks fine. It looks like you could do well without even casting your general, which is exactly what you want with THE MURDER KING.

Seriously, why the fuck did they give such a useless dud such a cool name?

>>51564521
What is this meme? You need a bunch of tutors and fast mana to pull the deck off, both of which are impossible to get on a budget.

>>51557627
>I actually took out the Mine Layer cuz it was really slow at 4cmc

Yeah, that's the only thing that concerns me about it. Hopefully I can make it work (or get lucky with it)

>Land destruction isn't welcome where I play usually either.

How retarded. It's a legit strategy in Magic, albeit a less than optimal one.

>>51563787

Goddamn I've been wanting to build around this guy for YEARS. Don't know if I could handle a 5 color deck, would probably cap at like 3, but I don't know which colors to choose :/

>>51564894
>Meme (may-MAY)
>n
>1. An idea, behavior, or style that spreads from person to person within a culture, essentially the sociological equivalent of a gene.
>2. Any thing that internet wieners think they are above

>>51564503
This tbqh

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Thoughts on this card?

>>51564572
>not counting the commander?

Then what's the point? If every card is an un-card, then holy shit yeah, that sounds fun as hell

Also I just checked, and wow there's not any real choice in Commanders from un-sets... So.. eh.

>>51565016
lol bad

>>51564974
5 colours is okay and you do well with it in casual metas with low budget. In more competitive places the manabase is gonna be really expensive, because you're gonna need fetches and duals.
When it comes to 3 colours, it really depends on what you want to play. Just pick an interesting commander and go with it, just don't make a deck that can't function without it.

>>51564974
5 colors isn't actually all that hard. I mean, if you're willing to spend a ridiculous amount of money on lands, it's basically impossible to mess up, but even without OG Duels and optimal Fetches it's not too bad.

Find out which three colors your deck favors, build a three color mana base for those three, then splash the other two.

>>51565028
What even there is besides Timmy, Johnny and Richard Garfield?

>>51565067

Frankie Peanuts, Johnny, Richard Garfield.

Obviously, you'd choose Richard though.

>>51564894
most of the dingly garbage tutor-ish cards like tainted pact and friends aren't expensive, and are usually better than shit like imperial seal and conventional tutors in the deck. the win cons are dirt cheap too. It's perfectly reasonable to make a shitty but passable FCT deck.

>>51564975
Meme theory is surprisingly shit philosophy smushed inside a good book.

>>51565016
I don't think it'll fare as well as you might think. I'm just not gonna block with stuff I don't wanna lose. Also, at 2 toughness, it's pretty easy to incidentally get rid of. I see what you like in it, but I think it's more bad than good.

>>51545489
It's good, and facilitates dank new decks or adds cool new ways to win to decks, but it's not banworthy at all, breh

tell me secret Mayael tech

>>51565578
creatures

>>51565578
Creatures with a power of 5 or greater.

>>51565578
Lightning greaves

>>51565578
lol don't play her

>>51565578
1) Build a Xenagos deck
2) Add nothing
3) Enjoy your Xenagos deck.

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What's so incredibly good about this card exactly? If it was only 1 life for the card draw on a 2 cost creature i could maybe see why he's so useful. But hus downside seems way too great for a bit of card draw, especially considering that he's played mostly in 20 life formats. I don't get it.

>>51566305
Being 2 mana and have a competitive statline have been the driving force behind his success, not to mention the decks that play him rarely exceed 4 cmc and often have an average cmc around 1-2

>>51566305
1) Its cost
2) You've got around a 40% chance of only taking 0-1 damage in most decks
3) Card draw is not to be underestimated.