How do you deal with the Ork baby conundrum /tg/?

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>>51519541
By taking alignments out of my game completely because alignments are fucking retarded and don't actually work in the context of... actual context.

Also get better taste in manga.

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>>51519561

If orcs cannot be anything but "evil" or at the very least savage monsters you kill it.

If orcs can be good then you don't kill it.

I feel like there's usually enough information about orcs in any given setting to where you'd know the answer so you don't run into the "well nobody has checked before" shit.

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>>51519541
Ideally we'd let every orc baby live on the off cance that even one of them grows up to be good. Ideally. The real question is how many humans the others will kill before even one good orc grows up. I support killing the orc babies precisely because I value life. Though the perfect solution would be to have them all adopted by humans (preferably monks?), see if the problem is nature or nurture and handle accordingly (as soon as severe malice is noticed, kill the orc child in question).

>>51519561
Not OP but
>By taking alignment out of the game
The only gamey part of alignment is the somewhat arbitrary law-chaos axis. Remove alignments and there will still be debates about whether something is moral. Even "lawful" and "chaotic" acts like keeping your word or not will be judged by a moral-amoral standard.

>also get better taste in manga
Goblin slayer is pretty good though.

>>51519567
That frown on Laius' face is perfect, like he's insulting Marcille for being a smug cunt.

>>51519541
We kill it. Then we'd probably eat it. It probably tastes better than grown-up orks.

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>>51519541
Pic Related.

Also echoing that alignments are garbage, thank fuck they don't do anything in 5e and can be disregarded entirely.

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>>51519541
>How do you deal with the Ork baby conundrum /tg/?
With extreme prejudice. And also napalm.

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>>51519541
Kill it.

>>51519541
Depends on the setting.

If orcs are mechanically evil, like possessing the Evil gene or are made from Evil Magic(tm) and can never behave themselves, genocide.

If they're intelligent and aware of their actions and still choose to be bad, like people do, jail them.

>>51519541
Orcs are just barbarians.
They are not exactly pure evil per se but they are killed because they are raiders.
And fuck the creepy GMs wo think this is a good idea to make the PCs visit their village and expect them to kill them all because they are going to grow up evil, just don't do that.

>>51519541
There is no dilemma. Orcs are a mutt race named after their wicked maker, Orcus, who profaned the flesh of men, dwarves, and giants. Their black blood corrupts any bloodline it steals. Though they have thrown off the yoke of their demonic master, they are still a wicked, brutal, and savage kind.

>>51519541
Kill it.

Whether or not Orcs could/can be good it's not like being raised/'rescued' by those who killed your parents will turn out well.

>>51519541
OH LOOK ITS THIS FUCKING THREAD AGAIN

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>>51519602
What's considered moral or not is still highly dependent on dozens of contextual factors, such as culture, survival need, social station, and tons of others.

Alignments try to shove all the complexities of human culture and behavior into 9 neat little squares for autists that assumes some universal standard on morality free of context; and it ends that none of the squares actually describe how real human beings actually act.

>>51519663
And let little orks grow not only as raiding barbarians, but raiding barbarians with a huge hateboner for the civilized people that killed their parents? Fuck that, killing them is the most responsible thing to do.

>>51519677
>True Neutral
>Regular Human

Autistic people maybe.

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>>51519684
Gald you didn't read the part about how none of the squares actually describe how real people act.

>>51519677
Not that that's always a bad thing.

In my last campaign, a semi comedy-themed campaign, when one characters about to burn a captured enemy alive, it was useful to be able to say 'y'know, within the objective-morality setting, that's an evil act.'

>>51519683
Then you never let the players go to their village because nobody want to kill babies.

>>51519541
By not playing the Good Alignments. Good is dumb and useless.

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Gotta smite all the evil.

>>51519697
Evil does not mean bad.
Sometimes Evil is the only way to make things right.

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>>51519717
>>51519724

>>51519577

>"Can it be good"

I don't like this standard

I mean, there are select instances of even Demons turning to good, and demons are quite literally birthed from pure, concentrated, meta-physical evil goop.

>>51519727
Is not being Edgy is being productive. Evil get shit done, while Good not.

>>51519684
Unless you think all true neutral are supposed to preserve a balance of actions, no I really don't think so.
Most people don't give a fuck about law or chaos and a lot of people are too apathetic to be good and not selfishly destructive to be evil.

>>51519712
And let orks continue raiding and killing peceful vilagers of your race after they recover from the loss of their warriors (which they would)? People should understand that modern morality could not be applied to medieval-esque settings. If you don not kill your enemy, he woudl kill you. If you do not prioritize the well-being of your nation/race over CONTINUAL EXESTENCE evey other nection/race, you would suffer, because they all sure as hell do just that and wouldn't think a seccond to choose between killing thousands of "not our people" and letting a single person of "our people" suffer.

>>51519744
pretty sure apathetically living for yourself is neutral evil

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>>51519677
>What's considered moral or not is still highly dependent on dozens of contextual factors
Well, you're somewhat ri-
>such as culture
Get out

>>51519744
Except most people are evil. Evil mean selfish. And people are inherently selfish. Most people are Neutral Evil.
Is Good that is mentally damaged, only retarded do selfless things without any kind of reward.

>>51519541
Literally just had this happen Monday
Playing
>Muh holy inquisitor
Put a bolt in 3 of the abominations heads FOR THEIR EXISTENCE OFFENDS THE ANGELS

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>>51519766

>>51519766

>Evil mean selfish

No.

No it does not.

>>51519766
That's why I only play NE. You even can be a noble hero (or at leas appear as one to ourside view) id saving vilagers from monsters and fighting vilains is profitable. And saving the world is somethign NE would always do, becuase he's the motherfucker that lives on that world.

>>51519815
Yes it does. The whole Axis id Law - Chaos - Selfish - Selfless. Is just that simple. So stop trying to put dumb moral dilemma in a game about KILLING THING AND STEALING THEIR STUFF.

EVIL GET SHIT DONE.

>>51519822
But some cultures are inherently evil, even from their own viewpoint.

>>51519541
>Look mah I posted it again!

>>51519822
You're literally agreeing with him, you fucking idiot.

>>51519822
so if, say, forcing martial rape on a 9 year old girl is okay in a certain culture or religion, does that mean it's morally okay as long as you're that culture?

pretty sure most things that are morally wrong remain morally wrong despite what your culture tells you

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>>51519759
/pol/ pls leave.

>>51519839
Name at least one real world culture that viewed itself as evil.

>>51519828
See this Anon. This Anon know is shit!

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>>51519856

>>51519859

Jews

>>51519865
I think you meant to direct that at OP, not the person who's sick of all the shitposting.

>>51519856
>arguing against the notion that culture determines moral standards instead of any logical application of human reasoning is /pol/

Jesus fucking christ.

>>51519856
Culture is not an excuse for anything but glassing your shithole country.

>>51519766
Nope, most people are Neutral so that just means selfishness isn't Evil. It's a survival trait.

>>51519859
Florentine culture around the 14th Century.

Everywhere the flagellants went, any culture where 'survival of the fittest' applies.

>>51519828
but it also means that when you're not up against a world ending evil, your party can't rely on you

you're objectively, morally only there for yourself

you can be bought, you can betray, you can steal from the group or stab them in the back at the exact wrong moment

>>51519853
Marital rape is not a thing, anon. That's just "rape".

>>51519831

>Yes it does

No, it really doesn't.

>>51519859
Jews with the original sin.

>>51519898
I was making an islam reference anon

>>51519906
I know.

>>51519859
Christianity

The whole point of baptism is to remove the stain of the original sin

>>51519897
And so does everyone else. This is how the World works. Save for some mentally damaged idiot. Why i should trust Good character when they obviously naivee idiot or wholesome emntally handicapped. At least Evil people have standard.

>>51519541
best solution I've seen;

http://mushroompress.blogspot.com/2016/09/goblins-as-nasty-maggotmonsters.html

>>51519859
American Gangsta culture.

>>51519608
Thats actually a change i liked to the detect and protection from good/evil/law/chaos spells, is that they don't act as the paladins smiting radar, but only on creatures that are actually composed of that sub-type.

Seriously, if i never hear another paladin detect evil on the most inane of NPC's again, it will be too soon.

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>>51519859
Christianity as a whole is a big one. I know learning about one of the foundations of our culture isn't a big thing in THE CURRENT YEAR, but one of the basic assumptions is that literally every single one of us is so evil, none of us deserve to be in the presence of God. Hence the importance of Jesus' sacrifice (John 3:16), in which (formally and somewhat contractually, as befits Jewish and other honor-based cultures) the burden of sin is shifted away.

Typically Christianity sees itself as good, but not Christians. Not even Catholics believe that Saints are good enough to deserve access to God's presence by their own virtue, and they're literally saints.

>>51519897
Of course they can. Not supporting your party is what get yourself killed. That's the basis of any enlightened egoism.

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>>51519608

>Alignments are garbage
>Best setting in D&D history entire reliant on Alignments

Hmmmmm

>>51519979
>Planscape best setting.
I want '80 stoners to die and leave this hobby.

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>>51519979
>Best setting in D and D history.

Holy fuck, this is like people who claim Sword Art Online is the best anime ever made.

>>51519859
White Liberals

>>51520009
It is.

>>51519995
>>51520009

This level of shit taste should be illegal.

>>51519541
Cast Detect Evil. Does it ping? Kill it.

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>>51519828

>>51519995
Name a better D&D setting (except Dark Sun).

>>51520038
Eberron.

>>51520027
So basically kill everyone you meet except wierdos and religious nuts?

>>51520048
Is shit.

>>51520056
No your taste are shit. Eberron is what D&D should be

>>51520038
Eberron
Sword Coast
Dark Sun
Literally almost anything else

>>51520015

Now that's what I call autism.

>>51520062
>Eberron is what D&D should be
I suppose they've over saturated the dragon half of D&D, so technically.

>>51520053
yes

>>51520068
Eberron is shit, muh high fantasy and trains is shit.

Forgotten Realms suffers massively from it's dickish established characters.

And I said except Dark Sun (which should be it's own IP/Game as it's so glorious).

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>>51520053
rip and tear

>>51520076
Also a joke.

>>51519831
Stop trying to apply In Nomine pop philosphy to D&D Greg. You weren't right in the 90s you aren't right now. Good and Evil and tangible things in the D&D metaverse. Some things simply are Good and others simply are Evil.

>>51520095
Your tastes are so bad that you deserve to be gassed.

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>>51519561
>Alignments are fucking retarded

YES ! YES ! YES !!! Finally the first person on /tg/ to be en-lighted enough to realize that the whole concept of Alignment is utter bullshit !!!

>>51520095
Still all better than Sigil. By alot.

>>51519757
What factors of modernity are necessary to add to your baseline pseudo-medieval setting to reasonably reduce the necessity of chronic genocide, if for some aesthetic reason one wanted to do so?

>>51520118
Eberron is shit, it's like if a scalie convention had to make a political climate.

>>51520124
So what is bad with Sigil hmm?

>>51520139
Eberron is perfection. No color code, Gods are not real and you can be Evil and still rule Good church.

>>51519541
Here's a question, how does it even get to there being an Ork baby conundrum in the first place? Like you have a problem with a tribe of Orks raiding your villages, so you send over some troops to get rid of them. Now there's two ways this can go:

1) You have a pitched battle between your troops and the tribe's warriors, you defeat them, and the survivors go home, pack their shit, and leave with their babies.
2) You strike in the night, catching the orks sleeping, and kill most of their warriors without a fight. Depending on your society you either sell the survivors into slavery, or you tell them to fuck off. Either way the babies go with them.

How exactly do you wind up in a scenario where you are the one who has to deal with the babies? The closest that comes to mind is if every single one of the orks fought so you had to kill them all, except the babies because they're too small to fight, but that's just utterly bizarre behaviour. Like if that happened i'd be inclined to think there was some kind of demonic influence at work. In which case yeah you have a legitimate conundrum, but otherwise what happens to the babies is what happens to the surviving orks.

>>51520134
Globalized capitalism.

>>51520068

>Sword Coast

You cannot actually be serious.

>>51520134
Humanism.
Oh wait, if you add that you'd end up with a Renaissance, not Medieval.

>>51520150
ethnic cleansing or murderhobos

>>51520147
Those are all shit reasons. What's so great about gods not existing? Also pretty sure ruling a church is different than being a devout follower, nothing can bar a charismatic swindler from becoming head priest in most other settings.

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>>51520164

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>>51520150
>surviving orks.

>>51520159
He thinks Eberron is great.

That should tell something.

>>51520119

>Finally the first person on /tg/

There are people complaining about alignments in every D&D thread on this board you massive idiot

>>51520186
>not understanding obvious sarcasm
Anon I think you may have the autism

>>51520170
>What's so great about gods not existing?
It's realistic

>>51520185

Eberron is good though?

Forgotten Realms is probably the worst setting there is, far worse than even Greyhawk

>>51519541

>Ork Babies
>Not born from birthing pits into adulthood and dragged screaming into the world by harsh taskmasters to be assigned a position in the dark army by judging their physical appearance post-birth.

>>51520194

So?

Flying ships and magic aren't realistic, what the fuck has "realism" ever added to D&D?

Kill them all and let the gods sort them out.

>>51520194
In a setting where magical trains take you everywhere and everything is a fucking dragon?
>>51520195
It really isn't, I'd consider Spell Jammer more enjoyable.

>>51520170
You can be Evil and still cast Good gods miracle, because Faith give you them not some bearded guy up in the sky. This is the best reason ever. Fuck gods. Without some bearded guy in the sky giving that retarted Paladins the justification to be something so stupi like Lawfull Good everyone will be EVIL AND GET SHIT DONE.

EVIL GET SHIT DONE YOU MOTHERFUCKING RETARDED.

THIS IS WHY EBERRON IS THE BEST. BECAUSE EVIL THERE GET SHIT DONE.

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>>51520194
you fucking take that back

>>51520217

Oh for fuck's sake

Please fucking kill yourself

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>>51519942
And don't forget that this evil is literally because WE are personally responsible for what two people with no ability to understand good/bad were tricked into doing by one of the entities created by the very deity that they trusted implicitly.

Because we're so retroactively horrible, we are supposed to pray and sacrifice of ourselves every day to make up for it, and in the end send our soul to His side, that He may consume them to attain the power He needs to end the universe - and thus free himself of His immortality.

>>51520217
And this is why no one plays with you.

>>51519897
In Shadow Run you don't betray the part for a number or reasons, including professionalism and not wanting to be betrayed yourself.

Plus your working with these assholes for a reason, if you could hack all the computers yourself and sling mana and summon spirits and shoot the balls off a gnat from a mile away you would a lone wolf. But you can't. So you pick one area to dominate and let the others handle all other shit for you. Equal pay for equal work, cause that means you get an equal cut to. And trust me, in both fluff and practice, most shadowrunners are evil assholes in it for the money.

>>51520236
Oh I did play with your mom last night.

>>51520205
Killing Orks really is doing them a favor. They're basically the fantasy equivalent of Russians.

>>51520258
>>51520205
>>51519541

>Ork
>k

Stop this

>>51520256
Really? She has shit taste or chose the setting if she plays with you.

>>51519677
Lawful evil is pretty cool though.
It can run the gambit from corrupt cops, Hitler, and even asshole judges.

>>51520258
That's racist. Orks arent's that bad.

>>51520273
>corrupt cops
Pretty sure that's Chaotic or Neutral Evil. Lawful Evil is essentially an honorable cunt.

>>51519541

"The Orc Baby Dilemma" is taught in Paladin Schools across the nation. It's basically "How to Paladin 101."

The church rules (and the gods agree) that it is acceptable to kill Orc babies, so long as you don't torture them. Quick, clean, as painless as possible, and you're good. You won't fall.

Ironically, it's much easier for you to fall if you spare their lives. Because, by sparing them, you are now responsible for whatever evil they commit in revenge, and that's assuming they are even able to live without the support of all the other orcs you killed. So don't spare their lives unless you're prepared to take responsibility. Now, there's a lot of leeway here. Like, let's say you really do take responsibility. You adopt the orc kids, teach them religion, you honestly put your time and effort into turning them into productive citizens, quite probably hanging up your sword and essentially retiring as an adventurer in order to try and create more good instead of destroying evil. And then the ungrateful bastards decide to be evil anyway. You won't fall because of that. You did all you could and fought for what you believed in. Even though you've technically brought more net evil into the world by failing this task and by not crusading to destroy evil, the good gods appreciate the effort. Mercy is a virtue. It's not enough to merely vanquish evil; you need to also define good, and what you tried to do defines it. Of course, depending on just how evil they've become, it's now up to you to finish the job.

tl;dr don't be a fucking retard. Use your best judgement.

In-setting, paladins are divided around this very issue, and it's very common to see paladins arguing over whether to try redeeming the monsters or not. More merciful paladins, when they grow too old to adventure, tend to retire from their duties by seeking out monsters for the sake of redemption as one final act of good before they hang up their sword.

>>51520273

>Corrupt cops

That's like, the opposite of Lawful Evil

Lawful evil is cops who fulfill the exact letter of the law in a kingdom where the law itself is corrupt and twisted

>>51520232
I don't think that last part is canon.

>>51519541
Depends on the setting.

I have them as a viral plague introduced by demons to change humans into their servants.
Sometimes having an enemy you don't need to think about wherter to kill it or not is best.

>>51520291
>You won't fall because of that. You did all you could and fought for what you believed in. Even though you've technically brought more net evil into the world by failing this task and by not crusading to destroy evil, the good gods appreciate the effort. Mercy is a virtue. It's not enough to merely vanquish evil; you need to also define good, and what you tried to do defines it. Of course, depending on just how evil they've become, it's now up to you to finish the job.
>itt: Paladins are Kantians

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>>51520310
It's written in books and across various media, so why wouldn't it be as cannon as the rest of it?

To quote what the bible-thumbers always tell us:
>Prove it isn't true!

>>51520286
Dumb corrupt cops - yes.
Spmart corrupt cops would work the System to their advantage, which is the very definition of LE.

>>51520352
>would work the System to their advantage
In other words not corrupt. Just a cunt.

>>51519914
>>51519942
>Christianity as a whole is a big one
But that's wrong. Christianity views HUMANS as inherently evil, but Christianity is The Good and Right way to live. Christianity never thought of christian culture as evil, just the people who had to use it to be slightly less disgustingly evil in the light of God, who is goodness and righteousness itself. It's literally the opposite of what the other anon was asking.

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>>51520308
10 years in cubicles

>>51520364
Christianity views humans as born sinners. This is why Mary being of immaculate conception is such a big deal.

>>51520386
Christian doesn't believe in Mary. Only Chatolics do that, and we all know they secretly worshipping some Egyptian Goddess.

>>51520386
And again, that's not the same thing as believing your our conception of reality and morality as evil, which is the topic of discussion. Christians, to over simplify, believe people are inherently evil, but that a Christian life can in many ways overcome this. Then there's a variety of handwringing about theodicy and Grace, but still. Christians do not believe that Christianity is evil, they believe Christianity is the way to combat the fundamental evil of the human self.

Fuck, to get even more back on topic, any Christian Paladin would be all about Ork babies and the not killing thereof. There's a strong missionary tradition in all flavors of Christworship, and it tends to be them, not others, who are big on the teaching of Christianity to little kids and everyone else to overcome their inherent sin.

>>51519541
Punch the GM for suggesting it

Alternately, fungicide

>>51520406

Catholicism is Christianity, I seriously don't get where this idea that it's something different comes from.

>>51520640
Then you need to go here and save your soul.

http://www.chick.com/

Catholicism is nothing but Satan worshipping.

>>51520640

>Catholicism is Christianity

LMAO

LMAO

L M A O
M
A
O

Kill them, Orcs are evil. People think making them more grey is more interesting. It's not, it makes them bland. They're fucking evil rapist raiders that mutilate their bodies in manners significant to their clan, and live their lives in a way that their equivalent to Odin doesn't look upon them and intervene. The Orcs hate gods, including their own. There's something that makes them interesting. Maybe they also despise demons and undead, and will prioritize its destruction over your PCs. There's another interesting detail. Still evil, but evil doesn't get along.
Yes this is edgy, they're fucking Orcs of course they're edgy.

>>51520668
I'm not Catholic, but I did go to a Catholic school, and they sure talked about this Christ guy a lot, so I don't know what else they were supposed to be doing.

>>51520655
>>51520668
>They're actually Protestants

>>51520687

Catlicks don't worship Jesus or God.

They worship the heathen P*pe and their graven images.

You're not Christian if you don't worship God the Father and Christ the Son.

>>51520689
Becuase sure atheism and apatheism ar not a thing. Most people nowadays don't really believe in God or jesus, or whateverthefuck - thy go to church because everyone elese does, but they don't know shit about the religion they think they follow, they don't want to know it, and they'd probably would be appaled by it barbarity if someone managed to grebe their attention and tell them what their religion actually preaches.

>>51520640
> Catholicism is Christianity
I want papists to leave
Preferably taking garbage-tier heresies they spawned with them

>>51520720
They did talk about God the Father and Jesus, though. There's also a Holy Spirit in there somewhere, I don't know if you guys have one of those.

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>>51519541
>How do you deal with the Orc baby conundrum /tg/?
Assume orcs are serious enemies of the PC in some way or the question is pointless:

Is the PC edgy or a murderhobo?
If yes, you know what to do.
If not, is it physically possible for an orc to safely coexist among some members of the PC’s race, or a race at peace with PC’s, allowing for racism, being an outsider, and occasional inappropriately orcish behavior?
If so, take every reasonable measure to save the baby and secure it in a healthy home.
If not, is it unreasonably dangerous to return the baby to other orcs?
If so, kill the baby humanely.
If not, is it acceptable to the PC to allow one more of their enemy to be raised to threaten them and theirs in the future?
If yes, return the baby as safely as possible.
If not, kill the baby humanely.

Daily remember that Evil can do Good but Good can not do Evil. Ban Good Alignments from your tables. EVIL GET SHIT DONE.

>>51520827
>Good can not do Evil
Do you even DEUS VULT?

>>51519541
Khorne cares not from whence the blood flows, only that it flows.

>>51520857

>DEUS VULT
>Evil

Looks like SOMEONE needs the Lord in the life.

>>51519677
>Lawful good
>Boring

Pay attention kids, this chart is how you tell lame unoriginal people with no creativity apart from the rest of us

>>51519541
>How do you deal with the Ork baby conundrum
If a said thing has a soul, even a rock, it can be good or evil.

Orcs don't have a soul. Their reproduction is necrogenic. Killing their babies brings no more metaphysical conflict than boiling the gigelorum in foul water, fishing egg-laden fish or felling a tree.

>>51519712
It's true. They don't give any XP.

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>>51520894
Forgot pic

>>51520878
I'm a bit too old for imaginary friends.

>>51519766
>What are prosocial instincts?

>>51519828
This.

>>51519897
I know and like these people. They entertain and protect me, not to mention I make fucking mountains of cash off of them.

Sure, I'll ditch them in a heartbeat to save my own skin, but if you want to buy me, you are gonna have to compensate me for the loss of every future profit I expect to make during my adventuring career.

>>51519942
Thats heresy that puritans believe. In modern church everyone is good and hell is empty. Faggot

>>51519541

Set them on fire.

What if there was a machine you could feed monster children and babies into to kill and then reincarnate them?

>>51520936
> modern church
> implying it is a church and not a number of loosely-affiliated sects united only in their apostasy
> calling anyone heresy
Get a load of this guy.jpg

>>51520953

There is.

It's called a level 7 druid

>>51520953
Could it make sausages?

>>51520971
Care to elaborate?

>>51519541
Orks are already integrated into society and often serve in the military during wars against THOSE GODDAMN FRENCH BASTARDS

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>>51519541
READ NIGGA READ
BOOK OF EXALTED DEEDS PAGE MOTHERFUCKING 8

>>51521004

You give the druid the monster baby and 1000 gold

He kills the baby and casts Reincarnate on it.

>>51520361
No, that's the whole point of corruption. With corruption, you're abusing the system, or, if breaking laws entirely, at the very least HIDING behind them (like both Trump and Hillary avoided more serious investigations into their doings by being "too important" in the form of presidential candidates) so that you can't be touched. Ordering soldiers not to arrest you, for example; which is precisely why MP nowadays have a separate chain of command.

For cops, simple examples:
Neutral or Chaotic Evil:
>That son of a bitch got what he deserved, but I didn't do nuthin

Lawful Evil
>Why did you execute that sleeping 7 year old girl on that couch?
>I had reason to believe that I had reason be fearing for my life

>>51520386
She only became a virgin somewhere in the 16th century. Which is certainly quite miraculous.

Keep in mind you were NOT married until consumation (and usually back then there'd be old ladies in the family watching to be sure), so the fact that she DID have a husband in and of itself meant she couldn't be a virgin.

Given the laws at the time, too, she'd either been sold to joseph, OR joseph had fucked her and got caught and thus been forced to marry her and pay her dad.

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>>51520687
Did they?

The girls were all wearing those little plaid kilts and I don't remember other stuff.

>>51521038
What is the explanation for Joseph having a virginal breeding age wife?

>>51520258
>>51520275
Fuck yourselves you ancient crones, cold war is over. O V E R. You can take off the propaganda headphones now.

>>51521078
Where I live we have very much hot war with Russians.

>>51520117
>Good and Evil and tangible things in the D&D metaverse.
I always thought it was funny that you (and extra planar entities) can actually build things out of solidified evil or good in D&D.

Made me wonder what the melting and evaporation points of evil was. What's the yield and sheer strength of a bar of pure evil. Is it stronger or weaker as an alloy?

>>51521093
Then how about you at least aknowledge Minsk truce exists

>>51521104
>Made me wonder what the melting and evaporation points of evil was
666 and 1488 Celsium respectively

>>51521063
Two reasons, but both of them resulting from "it happened later" and translations.

1) the word most commonly translated to virgin in hebrew was actually used for any female of childbearing age. Kind of like saying "maiden", except the "maiden" can be a 16 year old milf or a 12 year old pubescent kid.

2) It was added to "guarantee" that jesus is the biological son of YHWH, given that there's no chance anyone else could be the father.

3) It's "more miraculous" and they wanted more of that.

>>51521118
Kinda hard when rebels attack our positions 10 times a day in violation of that truce.

>>51519733
So you would kill defenseless demon babies?

>>51521125
Have you considered stopping shelling Donetsk and grabbing parts of no-man's land? That kind of thing provokes people

>>51521136

Demons are spawned fully grown.

>>51521145
Could they be reverse-aged by magic?

>>51521136
> waiting for demons to be able to defend themselves
It's like you are not even trying to win the Blood War

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>>51520053
That's detect alignment. Even the most genocidal freak wouldn't ping as evil with a detect evil spell barring demonic intervention.

>>51521142
That had alrerady been tried to no effect two years ago. No reason to try is a second time when there are same people in charge on the other side - they didn't keep to their word than and wouldn't now.

>>51521122
Eastern Orthodox took the idea of "ever virgin" and ran with it in the 4th century or so. At that point the claim became that she was a virgin before (despite marriage), during, and after christ's birth, because it somehow sanctified her virginity rather than destroy its integrity.

Keep in mind that they do in fact mean the hymen by this - girls back then did NOT want to accidentally break it riding a camel or something. 4th century CE is the earliest example (and there were just a handful back then, it didn't catch all that well everywhere) of the whole "annunciation" deal.

One gospel implies that joseph had not "known" mary until after the birth of her first son. However, that would also mean the marriage was basically a sham and she'd been an unwed mother. This in itself ALSO causes trouble, which is why there's so much veiling and weaving around the whole affair. Some later works go so far as to claim that jesus' brothers and sisters were actually only joseph's kids from another marriage, and that mary had never even consumated with her husband. But then that means he's not her husband. FAITH! FAAAAAITH!

>>51521155

>He's a devilfag

Kill yourself my man

Also: Asmodeus is a fag

>>51521122
I mean, how do they explain Joseph not taking her to pound town? Why exactly did Joseph marry her and then wait around for God to cuck him?

>>51519541
>implying my Paladin isnt basically Col. Kurtz

>>51521311
Joseph was old. As in really really old. This is why you don't see him around in the Crucifixion.

>>51521311
>how do they explain
It's a religion. They don't explain. They think "explain" is a curse world. Not believing in anything they feed you without any proofs or reasoning is a sin.

>>51521359
>he thinks old people don't fuck their young wives
Oh you poor, naive child...

If anything, especially in that part of the world from then till now, old men marrying young girls was pretty much exactly what you see in h-doujins. Except with desert clothes instead of a greasy wifebeater+fatman tidywhities

>>51521370
Literally.
Hell, that's the entire "original sin". Adam and Eve, being incapable of understanding things like "good/bad, yes/no, don't do this' because they literally have no concept of such things by the very reasoning of the story, "eat the fruit" and GAIN the knowledge, are punished (for something they couldn't understand AND that their god already knew would happen) and banished, and their descendants forever cursed.

Effectively, being ABLE to question anything is the original mega-taboo within christianity.

>>51519541
Pragmatism and high school moral philosophy aside, a bunch of kids isn't going to eke out a living in the wilderness and bashing their heads in is quicker and cleaner than what wolves and vultures will do to them after we leave.

At least that's how my elf ranger explained it to the paladin.

>>51519733
Demons are a bit different, since they're literally a step away from embodiments of pure concepts.

Since Orks are typically stand-ins for "Those dirty barbarians whose customs are so not ours that they can't possibly even be human", it's not far-fetched to play it up as "We've been at war with them for so long, we've never actually seen what their real culture is like."

>>51519602
Bah. Humans are naturally evil, but civilization flourishes thanks to rigid hierarchy and strict laws. You wouldn't be short on orphanages to put baby orbs into if you already were putting all of the kingdom's children into state-run facilities.
> visit lovely Lawful Neutralstan

>>51519541
My rapier, usually.

Wat prefers his crossbow.

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>>51520013
This

On the eternal alignment debate:
People seem to be missing that to play in the D&D cosmology you have to accept an entirely different set of morals, and what's even harder to grasp is that those are objective, not subjective like we are used to.
They are also alien and brutal and are pretty unpalatable to modern sensibilities that aren't used to think of violence as a mere tool.
It makes no sense to claim they are retarded. Grown men in gowns casting fireballs with guano balls is retarded too. The point is to create a different world than the one you are already living in. D&D includes morals in that, and while I agree that alignment is often used just as a mechanical tool / something to fuck your paladin over, trying to fully epxlore what even having an alignment means for the morality and social dynamics of the setting cna make for a fulfilling experience.

Regarding the orc babbies dilemma: killing Evil chreatures is not a Good act by definition, but not an Evil one either. A honestly Good character would try to have those orcs raised far from their CE culture. A less Good, more pragmatic one would just slaughter them without much fanfare. A paladin would probably fall from that though.

>>51519541
By not caring.

>>51520732
No, a big portion of Protestant theology (Protestants being Christians who aren't Catholic, Gnostic, or Orthodox) is that Catholicism is so flawed in its teachings of Christianity that it can't even be considered Christian. The entirety of a few of the major American Protestant denominations basic belief structure (Baptist and Methodists come to mind) is the pointed rejection of Catholic principals.

But Catholics are still Christians, because the basis of being Christian is the belief that Jesus of Nazareth was God/of God and accepting Him as your Savior has the potential of saving your soul.

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>>51520038
Mystara, you fuck.

>>51522313
Does Mystara even count. You know the whole Red Box issue and all.

>>51520591
This.
Fantasy Chrisitan Paladins would be more focused on killing Gruumsh, if not the whole of the Orc Pantheon to free the Orcs from his evil whims.

Historical Christian Paladins, however, would give the first hundred a chance to repent and then literally destroy their places of worship and wipe them from history if they didn't fall to their knees in defeat (while festively making Orc holidays like Luthic Teats Day into Christian Holidays to make them feel less broken).

>>51522290
What does it have to do with a fact that most modern "believers" don't really know nor want to know what they're supposed to believe in aside from the very basic outline?

There are plenty of orc tribes in my setting who make an honest living herding, breeding, and training animals. They'd be happy to adopt the infants of the neighboring tribe that got what was coming to it by raiding too much.

>>51519541
Flamethrower. The spores don't germinate if you cook 'em.

>>51519541
Kill 'em all

>b-but paladin falls!

No, he doesn't.

>>51522492
Fuck Paladin. Fuck Paladin players. I'm tired of getting saddled with Lawful Good autistic prick and their 10 foot arse pole.

Paladin should be banned as default. Along with Monk because only weeabo want to play Monk.

>>51522417
>modern believers
The trouble with Christianity from the moment the Old Church split into the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church is that church leader benefit from giving an incomplete story to their followers.

It's not so much willing ignorance; its more of "If it were that important, pastor would have told us about it". It's like kids not knowing certain parts of the histories of their countries if they weren't taught it in school; they aren't actively avoiding knowing it, they just assume its not that important if it wasn't part of their education beforehand.

It seemed like you were implying that only atheists knew a difference between Protestantism and Catholicism due to practitioners of Protestantism not knowing much about their own religion. The problem isn't Christianity itself; its who practices it. I've seen the argument before that Europeans ruined the religion to the point that the good parts are unsalvageable.

>>51522530
It seems like I'm implying that most believers are really apatheists that go to church out of conformist reasons and do not really believe in anything. I'm also implying that Christianity of all types in inheritently incompatible with a Humanism whic is a basis of a modern society, and only the fact that most "believers" don't fucking care and priests wisely don't point it to them stops them from realizing it and braking their ties with it.

>>51520147
you realise that the subject is goblins, right? Not literal ork babies?

>>51519541
Probably see if I can turn it into a Paladin over my journey. Be my life project.

>>51522571
Ah, I see. I'd agree with that. Most American Christians claim to be Christian solely because that's what's expected of them and/or it allows them to justify their actions by saying that God would want them to do it.

Methodists come the close to being Humanist by believing that its a Christian duty to make sure that all people are taken care of and get to live peaceful lives, but even one of its core tenants is that humans are incapable of doing anything "good" because all human endevours not directly inspired by God are inherently selfish.

>>51522571
If by humanism you mean liberal sucking trans and sandnigger cocks. I for one welcome the Spanish Inquisition back.

>>51519787
I always wondered how the SS rationalized themselves as The Good Guys™ when they literally have fucking skull-and-crossbones on their fucking hats.

>>51519856
>I don't like your argument
>Get out /pol/!!!!
Have your (You) and go back to >>/trash/

>>51519541
simple, cast smite evil on it. If it dies you did the right thing, if not no harm done.

>>51522638
I've a skull now. Skulls are Cool.

>>51522638
Because its just a logo. A cool one at that. The Marine Crops has a predatory bird on their logo. BOPE in Brazil have a Skull with crossed Pistols as a logo.

>>51522638
It's an old Prussian icon, one that indicates the wearer is prepared to die.

>>51522715
Man, why did the Nazis have to ruin everything cool for the rest of us?

>>51522632
Humanism is pretty much "Human is the highest value" and have nothing to do with deviants aside from the fact that they are humsns and have the same value as normal people.

>>51522638
They were killing kikes, gips and niggers of course they are the good guys.

>>51522632
>opposing humanism because people are on the other side of the aisle politically and you're at war with someone
>implying your ass wouldn't be tortured under the real deal Inquisition

And people wonder why we call Americans retarded.

>>51519541
>Ork baby
>Ork
you mean mushrooms?

>>51522743
Humans are the highest value? There are 7.000.000.000 motherfuckers on this planet. If anything humans mean nothings. I would gladly welcome Tigerism more than humanism.

>>51522677
>Marine Crops
Algae?

Dragonlance is the best D&D setting

>>51522638
Gott Mitt Uns

>>51521136
>demon babies
Lemurs? Or how they were called
These things were already bad people, but now they can grow into really dangerous shit. Since they already ended up here, there's no hope of redemption. Smite.

The party would be risking their own lives and the lives of everyone the orc would kill in the future on the off chance that the orc isn't a barbaric monster like 99.5% of fiction dictates.
Even if only one person in the future dies because of the orc you let live isn't that unfair to that person? That their entire life is ended because of a infinitely tiny chance that the orc could be redeemed?

>>51522774
And that boys and girls is how you do betray Mankind.

>>51523039
They're devil babies.
Not demon.

Literally depends on the setting. If I'm on Middle-Earth for instance, I'm not sure orcs even have a childhood and while Tolkien never made his mind about if they could find redemption the odds are 99% for them growing to be heartless incarnations of the universe's corruption. Not to mention, raising an orc would probably get my character killed or at least shunned from civilized society.

If I'm on a setting where orcs can make actual moral choices and nurture matters, why the fuck should I kill them with no good reason? It'd be no different than an american soldier killing a middle eastern kid because he could grow to be an islamic extremist. Maybe if there was a strong social stigma against them I'd mercy-kill them. Or if my character had ideological reasons for being into orc baby-killing, then it would be fitting to kill them anyways

>>51522774
in a purely selfish way, you're a human, you nitwit, and it means that your tiger preservation that you might strive to build isn't gonna be destroyed by people killing you because they really fuckin' hate tigers.

>>51519541
Send it adrift down a river in a basket. He will grow up to be Thrall.

>>51519541
Are we close to other settlements?
Are 100% of the adult orcs dead?
Are orcs intrinsically evil in the setting?
How old is the orc?
How smart is the orc?
Does the setting have a god of death, fertility, or education, and how do said gods operate?
Does the setting have an objective afterlife? If so, what are the rules?
Does my town have inter-species orphanages?
Is the orc in question from the settlement I just massacred?
Can it speak?


In Slayer's situation, in that scene: kill them. They're hated, they have no refuge, and their keepers are all dead. The odds are that they'd either slowly starve to death or die to an animal, and if they did survive the odds of them becoming anything other than echos of their projenitors is like a million to one.
However, there are too many variables to answer it in broad-strokes.

>>51521104
The last guy who asked questions like that ended up making the Abyss.

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>>51519561
>Also get better taste in manga.

What kind of ultrafaggot hates Goblinslayer?

>>51519541
>>51519561
>>51523270
>two normie plebs arguing about who's taste is more garbage
Kek

>>51521155
Devils are CHUMPS. Demons have such godly figures as Lolth and Ghaunadaur. Way better.

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>>51519724
>Evil does not mean bad.

>>51519733
>I mean, there are select instances of even Demons turning to good
Not in any decent setting.

>>51522677
>BOPE in Brazil have a Skull with crossed Pistols as a logo.
A skull with a knife in it, even.
That's not a particularly "good guy" logo.

>>51519541
Humans are evil savages by nature but I don't see anyone advocating for the slaughter of their babies.

t. Hobbes the Elf

We just don't let any orcs into the country, so they never have babies here. ez-pz.

>>51523366
>Morally.
Morality is nothign but the world faggots use to justify that they are faggots.

>>51523547
Found the edgelord.

>>51519541
Depends on the setting.

>>51523547
Shouldn't you be in class?

What is this, a conundrum for retards?

I don't want to deal with orks later, kill baby now.

I DO want to deal with orks later, kill baby later after it's grown.

I want to FUCK orks later, take certain babies and breed fuckable orks.

It's simple, people.

Orcs baby? I would kill any kind of babies if the pay is high enough.

>>51519859
The religion of Melek Tawsi states that the entirety of the universe is evil, because when god exhaled and created all, during the inhalation of his breath he withdrew all that he was from creation, leaving only evil in it's place. Melek Tawsi prctice the effort of redemption, because evil can become good once more when pure and strong in the face of the evil that is the material world.

So there is at least one culture that believes EVERYTHING physical and flesh is evil.

>>51519890
>It's a survival trait.

No it isn't stupid. In fact it makes you less likely to survive. There's a reason humans are social animals that tend to shun the selfish jackass.

>>51523648
Are you aware that the most sucessfull people are the one who lack empathy? Mainly because they GET SHIT DONE instead of wondering if is right ot kill a green rat.

>>51523039
Lemures. Devil babies were larvae.

>>51523678
>the most successful people in a highly sophisticated culture
Fixed that for you, dipshit. Selfish people in an agrarian, hunter-gatherer, or otherwise non-sophisticated culture would die is they were selfish.

>>51523678
>Thinking modern day financial success is the same thing as survival.

Wew lad.

>>51523712
Nope. The people without empathy will always. ALWAYS manipualate the idiots with it. Do you think guy like Attila, Gengish-Kan or Shaka would have cared about orcs babies? They whould have killed them and pissed on their ashes while the so called 'selfless people' suck their cock. Because THEY GET SHIT DONE!

>>51523753
Please stop, it's painfully obvious you don't know what you're talking about, as you are trying to cram real world historical figures into the narrow view of D&D alignments. Which, incidentally, had nothing to do with what we were talking about.

>>51523753
Do you have a permit for all that edge?

By calling them pygmy orcs rather than baby orcs. Solved the problem pretty easily.

>>51523829
Is painfull obvious that you are out of arguments to sustain you and your sissy Good friends. EVIL GET SHIT DONE. Is true in real life as much as in D&D. Who tell you otherwise is trying to sell you something. EVIL is the only Alignment that should be allowed at the table, because TRUE HERO ARE EVIL SINCE ONLY EVIL GET SHIT DONE!!!!

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>>51519677
>Cultural relativism
No.

>>51519577

Orcs clearly have a habit of rape, pillaging and violence. If we let orcs live near (or even in) a society, crime, rape and violence will go up, general safety will go down. Thus it is good to not let orcs live near cities were normal, moral humans live, and if they do anything to warrant retaliation, they should be destroyed completely, because they are a threat, and humans are more valuable than orcs (the children should be destroyed as well because a child is just an adult orc in the making).

>>51523871
Alright, you win. Evil is the way to go. Rape and stab and pillage as much as you want. Truly you will be the most successful man of our time.

The babies are already dead. You killed every single orc BUT the babies. You just killed their mothers and they can't survive without their care and milk. It's either let them starve slowly or quickly by the sword.

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>>51523753
How's high school treating you?

>>51519541
Have some actuality practical tactics rather than stupidity people eat up.

>>51523933
>Evil
>Rape and stab and pillage as much as you want.
Because surely Stupid Evil is the only kind of Evil, amirite?

>>51519684
Here is the standard that I run with:

Is the character willing to take on personal risk up to and including death over the idea of the rule of law without implied rewards save maybe a chance to virtue signal? If yes then the character is lawful.

Most people are not lawful.

Is the character willing to take on personal risk up to and including death over the idea of "doing the right thing" without implied rewards save maybe a chance to virtue signal?

Most people are not good.

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>>51519541
>Humiz finks dey can deal wif da boyz

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>>51520079
>The only D&D setting where dragons approach the rarity of dragons in Dark Sun oversaturated the dragon half of D&D

So you've never looked in anything beyond the surface of Eberron then?

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Here's the real headscratcher, where do half orc babies come from in setting?
And elf with a bestiality fetish? An orc rape camp?

>>51523968
Well, no, obviously. But unless you were born into old money or some shit like that being a petty selfish dick isn't going to get you too terribly far.

>>51524021
Most of the time it's rape. There are few rare chances it's a forbidden love deal, but its mostly rape.

>>51520015
It's a worse .hack.

>>51520668
Fuck off heretic. Just the fucking one time we fail to Deus Vult you to death and you ruin half the fucking world. If only we had killed every single Lutheran the way we killed the Cathars, the Arians, the Docetists, and all of the others. Even worse the laws of the land require that do not kill devil worshipers for the offense of calling themselves "Christian".

You Protestants are not and never will be Christian. You are idolaters who worship and image as petty and evil as yourself. An image only fit to resemble the devil himself.

I think I stumbled upon /his/ by accident.

>>51521017
But book of vile darkness has muscle wizard.

>>51522638
Considering their main fields of operation and the guy in charge of them, I'm going to hazard a guess they were mostly batfuck crazy.

>>51524105
You really didn't. /his/ is actually informed compared to this thread.

>>51524049
This is a really really dumb, and completely ahistorical. Rape as the most common form of interbreeding only occurs at the very early ports of cultural interaction. So this only works if the orcs JUST showed up in like the past 20 years.
>>51524021
Most likely the same ways the Germans and the Romans interbred, the Moors and the Spanish interbred, or the Iberians and the Native Americans interbred. Humans who live near orcs would become more orcy and the orcs who live near humans would become more like humans. So the orcs and humans on the borderlands are more or less the same culturally and intermarry without any real weirdness, while the orcs and humans further into their homelands would find this weird. Think how the Germans who lived on the Roman border served in the Roman military and become disciplined enough that when they went back home they could train their own military to match the Romans. A lot of those Germans had Roman wives and a lot of the Romans who regularly interacted with them (like northern merchants or guys stationed on the Rhine forts) had German wives.

This goes a step further if there is some government incentive for interbreeding. For instance native women who married Spaniards in colonial South America were given exemption from labor taxes and their children would be given legal rights. This could even lead to exemptions from those same taxes for their parents if they could get Spaniard hubby to argue for it to the local judge for them. Hence how the Spaniards fucked an entire new race into being (latinos) and managed to only have like 10% of their colonists be women.

>>51521078
>slavshit
>telling anyone else about propaganda
Don't you have an alley to squat in while contemplating the fact that death is pretty much the quickest way out of Russia, Pyotr?

>>51523194
As a proper Catholic Tolkien actually explicitly said orcs were not born evil. He said that their childhoods were short and unpleasant and were what turned them evil. Though on the aspect of actual redemption he said "it's possible but then they'd stop being orcs". Which could imply a physical transformation but more likely indicates that a theoretical redeemed orc would be an "ex-orc" by the setting rather than turning back into an elf in a poof of magic.

>>51524094
>>>/pol/

>>51522632
Absolute idiot. Humanism has nothing to do with Social Justice fuckpoles. Read your fucking history moron.

>>51523269
And that is a bad thing how?

>>51524246
God bless the Spaniards for that. They created a hot crazy race of big hipped, big booty women with European faces. Who age like milk. God bless em.

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>>51523992
OUT! OUT! OUT!

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>>51524366
Go away daughter hater. Tomaru is the real Emperor. He has 18+ kids, he fills them with his gene-seed & teaches them to do so for their kids, etc.

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>>51519541
Attempt to integrate them in a way that allows for a sort of peace to be made to put an end to an idiotic crusade against orcs and begin a smarter crusade against those damn Undead.

Orcs at least keep to themselves, but good luck trying to keep skeletons out.

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>>51519541
Eat them, of course. What else would you even do with such tender morsels?

>>51519541
Keep it and raise it to be good.

>>51524741
>orcs keep to themselves

Tell that to any woman with a half-orc baby.

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>>51523519
You're right, we kill our young before their born!

>>51524516
>that pic
I went to the wiki to try and parse why that exists. I understand nothing.

>>51519561
What does that have to do with anything? You can still have moral dilemmas in games with no alignment system, you know.

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>>51524871
Why do you think this crusade is idiotic. One little town sets up where they KNOW orc lands are, and now they're throwing a hissy fit.

>>51525012
Tell me how to have a moral dilemma in Dark Heresy. We blew up a buss full of (wild psyker) children, gassed a hospital (run by Taufiles) with a zarine, carpet-bombed a (genestealer-infested) town to dust, literally starved a (chaos corrupted) space station with a population of 3 million to the point they ate each other, and brutal over-the top torture with a pinch of mind-rape is a specialization of one of our PCs, and yet we never felt we're doing something wrong with our service to the Inquisition and never were presented with much of a choice that would not result with even more death, suffering and destruction.

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>>51523519
>tfw there are settings that treat humans, orcs, goblinoids, and trolls as being members of the same bruteman race

>>51525157
>moral dillemma
okay just let me think for a min-

>in dark heresy
>mass destruction, siege tactics, mass exterminations, torture and jaywalking
No. You're doing the God Emperor's work.

>>51524992
He's a character from a series of eroge. You can literally chose for him to go after his kids as sexual partners if you want, and, across various games in the series where those kids show up, you can choose him as a sexual partner, too.

By sheer will of depravity, you can have theis man daisy chaining inbred offspring like Corrigadora on crazy pills.

>>51519757

Yes, I'm sure ethics would remain exactly the same whenever entire foundations of ethics are simply missing from fantasy settings. The difference in religions is enough to mean that morality will differ completely from our world's medieval periods.

>>51525411
If anything a world where the guys on the other side are literally not humans would have their medieval morality even more brutal.

>>51525473
But Europeans and their descendants have worked off of the logic that anyone who doesn't speak their language NOR worship the same god as them are literally not humans either.

It's the reason people still unironically support the death of all non-whites/non-Christians.

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>>51525540
That's not West-European exclusive. Almost all civilizations starting from ancient Mesopotamia and China had that shit during most of their history.

>>51525594
Everyone but Americans and Middle Easterners have seemed to calm the fuck down about this line of reasoning, though.

>>51525614
East Asians too, they're just not as vocal about it.

>>51525640
I know that Koreans and Japanese are turbo racist, but Japanese are at least polite enough to not bring it up all the time.

>>51525411
It would probably remain broadly similar, actually. Across almost all cultures except the really backward ones that never made it past the mud hut stage, we see the same basic principles of morality expressed. Morality is just a construct humans create in order to maintain social cohesion and stave off the State of Nature. The basic principles almost always boil down to things you wouldn't want someone else to do to you. Religion is just used to justify morality, it doesn't create it.

>>51525540
Yeah and that seems evil to you because you live in an era where thanks to genetics and anthropology we know better than that. But back in the day, before we knew that genetics is what makes species different, you'd look at two otherwise near-identical birds with different colored feathers and different calls, and you'd say they're separate species. Pretty much everyone did this. Hell, some native american tribes initially thought that Europeans and their horses were one unified creature with two heads.

You can't judge historical people by the same standards as today. You might think that modern morality is self-evident, but that's only because it's largely based on modern knowledge that people in the past didn't have.

>>51525157
>>51525299
it depends highly on the morals of the individual.
Remember that Inquistors actually vary greatly upon what they consider to be correct.

The difference between these inquistorial facitons sets up plenty of moral dilemmas.

Do you use a piece of forbidden technology or sorcery to prevent a daemonic incursion. Do you destroy a group planning revolution against the current local regime to ensure stability, or do you help take out the local regime because they are corrupt and hurting the strength of the empire.
Do you cause trouble in order to keep the planet in the proper state of high alert, or do you protect the citizens of the empire.

It's a different moral axis, but there.

>>51522899
The Wehrmacht had the "Gott Mit Uns" belt buckles. The SS did not, they had "Meine Ehre heißt Treue" on their buckles.

I wish fedoratippers would at the very least doublecheck their memes for historical accuracy.

>>51522638
>>51522677
Oh yeah, fun fact: despite fascism being universally derided as a wrongbad ideology there's still one country that literally has the fasces as its coat of arms.

It's France.

>>51525759
Istvaanite Inquisitior.
We leave a total mess with piles of bodies and local authorities in disarray behind us and he gives us a "good job, guys" for it. Most times it makes the situation better, as he moves his other less destructive agents to replce local authorities with someone actually competent - at judging by the few planets we returned to.

>>51525735
You're assuming that the majority of humanity is too stupid to understand that something that looks 90% like them, when the other 10% is difference in skin colour, hair, and manner of dress and language ISN'T a human. Native Americans weren't so stupid that they couldn't tell that a mounted conquistador wasn't just a person sitting on top of an animal, as if that's something that never happens. You don't build a civilization that had a good amount of mathematical competence but be too stupid to know what a riding animal is. That's like assuming that European scientists in the 1600s would chimp out and treat you like a demi-god if you showed up with a car playing music.

The idea was more, "if they aren't like us, they're little more than animals to us".

>>51524992
It's the Emperor injecting his descendants with his gene-seed. Did you ever wonder how brother-clones work?

>>51525870
To be fair, there are African tribes who literally worship white people and have airplane-shaped totems they use to pray for the return of these white gods. There's also some pacific island that literally worships the British monarchy. Moreso than the Church of England, I mean. Some people are incredibly fucking stupid, especially if they belong to the bottom rung races in terms of intelligence.

Showing up with a car in renaissance Europe isn't enough to get you worshipped as a god, but showing up in parts of modern day Africa with an airplane sure is.

>>51525919
You mean the Cargo Cults of Melanesia?
Which is in Oceania?

Also, the Japanese literally worshiped the Emperor as a god until 1945 and Europeans respected divine rule as fact until second tier nobles did stuff like the Magna Carta.

>>51525870
>You're assuming that the majority of humanity is too stupid
You're assuming they're not. People are fucking dumb when they don't have any real data to go on. People used to think that eating donkey balls would make your dick bigger. People used to sacrifice children because they thought it made the rain come sooner. Never underestimate the extent of human ignorance.

>something that looks 90% like them, when the other 10% is difference in skin colour, hair, and manner of dress and language ISN'T a human
Again, I direct you to the bird example. Same could be said for fish. Or hell, we consider red and grey squirrels to be separate species when the only difference is size and color of fur.

>Native Americans weren't so stupid
Not stupid, ignorant. There's a difference.

>conquistador
Someone slept through history class.

>a person sitting on top of an animal, as if that's something that never happens
That WAS something that never happened prior to the introduction of horses to North America. Eurasia was pretty unique in terms of beasts of burden. Nothing quite like the horse existed anywhere else in the world.

>You don't build a civilization that had a good amount of mathematical competence but be too stupid to know what a riding animal is.
You're lumping countless different tribes with varying levels of civilization and competence into one.

>That's like assuming that European scientists in the 1600s would chimp out and treat you like a demi-god if you showed up with a car playing music.
They probably would. Maybe not as dramatically as you imply, but if you brought like, a smartphone back to the 1600's, people would think you were a wizard.

>The idea was more, "if they aren't like us, they're little more than animals to us".
Well, why do we treat animals as though they're little more than animals? Because they aren't like us. You're thinking with your emotions and preconceptions instead of logic.

>>51519740
In Gygaxian Morality the bastard that strings up all the fuckers in town is still Lawful Good.

Yall fags these days just think Good is automagically superman when in fact you've gotta approach it from actual medieval or mythological sensibilities.

>>51525919
The plane worship is also Pacific islander and not Africa. All of Africa is too travelled through to have uncontacted or only semi-contacted people.

>>51526092
Most Americans assume that Africa looks like how it did when the Transatlantic Slave Trade was still a thing. They literally get angry when you show them major cities in West African countries.

>>51526124
>Most Americans
Paint-eating /pol/acks are not most Americans, yuropoor.

>>51526139
You sure? Because enough of them are making it seem like it.

>>51526151
Like most extremists, they're a tiny but very loud and obnoxious minority. Pretty much anything that's true of SJWs can be applied equally to /pol/acks, they're the same thing just with different favorite colors.

>>51526219
If blacks and poor whites haven't figured out they're basically the same culturally and united to tell the Upper Class to fuck off, SJWs and /pol/acks will never figure out they're the same obnoxious extremists.

>>51526082
From a biology POV, things are the same species if they can reproduce & have fertile kids. Thus why so many dogs are considered the same species despite differences.

>>51526720
Yeah, but that's a modern definition based on modern understanding of biological science.

>>51526219
Law of conformity I guess. Trying so hard they become what they hate.

>>51526257
I'm a poor white, you can fuck off comparing me to blacks. I may have grown up surrounded by trailer trash but it wasn't as bad as an actual ghetto.

>>51526855
That's because you're okay with being marginalized because you think you're still "white" and can escape from where you lived.

>>51525614
>Everyone but Americans and Middle Easterners have seemed to calm the fuck down about this line of reasoning, though

No. People who live in largely homogeneous societies don't seem racist.
In mongrel nations like the USA and various European states racial tensions run high.

>>51526877
How have I been marginalized? My family slowly dug ourselves out of poverty and my parents are essentially middle-class now, living in a nicer neighborhood and each having good, secure jobs. My younger siblings have a notably better standard of living than I did when I was their age. I'd say we escaped from the pit we started in, it wasn't easy but it's doable.

>>51522638
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn1VxaMEjRU

>>51526933
Because you'll never be able to completely assimilate thanks to your original formative years. You may not believe it, but there are mannerisms that you have that upper class and actual middle class whites can sense and will know you aren't one of them. The fact that you put value in climbing out of poverty is a major one that most upper classes will instantly see as an indicator that you don't belong.

It's like a Liberal Southerner moving to the West Coast; there's going to be plenty of things that they do that they don't realize vastly more blue liberals see as being the actions/morals of conservatives and will be ostracized for it.

>>51526920
Shh.
Don't let the Americans hear that; they seriously believe they're pure blooded and not a pack of flithy mutts.

Even AFRICANS don't consider American Blacks to actually be of real African decent; they're just dark skinned mutt whites to them.

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>>51523519

>>51527089
Cry more, Yuropoor

>>51526877
>being marginalized
Fuck off back to tumblr with your SJW newspeak

>>51526933
Yeah, there are blax who have done that too, and there are whiskey-tangos who never stopped selling meth or left the trailer park. Idiots will as idiots do. Skin color is an irrelevancy.

>>51527116
I ain't crying for the loonies, mutts, and trash we ran out of our countries. The only reason why you even have you concept of "White" is that you had to fucking huddle all of the shit we threw out to be worth a damn.

It's why modern immigrants don't buy your idiotic "You have to drop your culture and adapt ours" crap; they know your culture's the shittiest blanket of old European traits and don't see why they can't just throw theirs into the pot.

>>51527184
You mean the loonies, mutts and trash who became the most powerful nation in the history of the planet? The ones who you rely on to defend your pussy-ass nations because your militaries are tiny and shit? If it weren't for the Pax Americana you'd be speaking Russian right now.

>>51527310
Sure thing, Grandpa Cotton.

You want to tell me again how you killed fiddy men and you're the last generation to care about freedom?

>>51527310
>If it weren't for the Pax Americana you'd be speaking Russian right now.
Don't you mean German or something else? It's always something non-English.